First for the Empire

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First for "George Lucas, you were right all along" posting.

First for the First Order

Fourth for Snoke on the water having a psychic duel with Luke next episode.

>>78253777
Yeah, giving the rights to Disney may have saved the franchise

>New TIEs
now with a gunner, a pressurized cockpit, an ejection seat and a parachute.
>also it isn´t made from explodium

>>78253868
And a wicked sweet new paint job.

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Xth for Phasma was a disappointment

So what is going to happen with Kylo? Will he slowly turn to the light side, stay on the dark side and become even more cruel, or will he become an anti-hero?

Was this month's Kanan really bad or something? Literally no one on the internet is discussing it.

>>78253868
The second gunner is only on the spec ops version, not the standard. The First Order TIE fighter is the TIE/fo and the Imperial TIE fighter is TIE/ln.

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Monthly Reminder, the ones you loved are dead, and are never coming back.

P.S., they died for nothing.

>>78253823
Erh, I will have to do with second order then.

>>78253845
Well, we already had fire in the skies in this one after all.

>>78253887
Barring Saruman Tier deleted scenes, I refuse to believe she's actually dead.

>>78253887
would've been cuter if the body type actually matchhed Gwen's

source?

>>78253868
>isn´t made from explodium
Now it's just made from Flammableite.

>>78253887
Just remember that Han was trash compacted first

>Snoke is his real name
First Sheev now this shit who is in charge for these names do they secretly still let Lucas come up with them ?

>>78253972
Maybe it was in the contract.

Is Rey being Luke's daughter too obvious to be true?
Kylo seemed to recognize her

>>78253946
http://i.imgur.com/uvpBQ12.jpg

the artist is SSOCRATES if you want to see more

>>78254043
They're deliberately dangling it, but I'd be amazed if it wasn't true.
The Cinematography and the boatload of hints would make it a pretty ham handed red herring, and Finn proves they know how to handle red herrings well.

>>78254043
Really the look on Luke's face at the end isn't just amazement that someone found him or that they brought him his lightsaber.

>>78253891
Gotta put my money on falling deeper into the dark side.
You dont kill Motherfucking-Harrison ford and get away with it.
Best he can hope for is a last minute redemption. Considering how theyre already lifting from the OT, angsty teen vader might get one.

>>78254219
I'd prefer Phasma and Hux to be redempted over him, he's didn't do the trick for me while Hux did and Phasma has the adventage of being played by an amazing actress. Also if stormtroopers are all indoctrinated it'd be easy to set up redemption for her.

>>78253891
I'd personally like it if he and Rey swapped sides.

He's already clearly struggling with his emotions and isn't particularly well trained, and Snoke might manage to push him further away

Looking back on all the fake rumors is fun.

>Rey is Han's daughter.

>Finn is Lando's son and a rebel spy.

>Dohmhall Gleeson is a comic relief cowardly inventor who keeps switching sides to save himself.

>Lupita N'yongo is a Luke's apprentice and Poe's lover.

>Gwendoline Christie is a sorceress who worships the Dark Side.

>Max Von Sydow is Rey's caretaker, a cyborg who collects artifacts connected to the Force.

>Kylo Ren is a X-Wing pilot who becomes obsessed with the Force and betrays the Rebels to join Snoke.

>Snoke is an powerful Sith Lord whose body was destroyed by Luke. However, He became one with the Force and has since been tormenting Luke into succumbing to the Dark Side, forcing Luke to exile himself, and also influencing the remnants of the Empire and seducing Kylo.

>Inquisitors armed with lightsabers dedicated to killing all Force-Sensitives.

>Jedi Hunters who artificially harness the Force and are loyal to the remnants of Empire.

>Blank lightsabers that change colors depending on its' wielder's alignment with the Dark Side or the Light.

>Han sacrificing himself to destroy the Starkiller Base by kamikazing it with the Millennium Falcon. His last words are "Never tell me the odds".

so with the movie out im wondering
how worthwhile are this this and the Clone Wars show?
i fell of CW rather early and haven't seen any of this but
hey this is the EU now i should jump in at some point

>>78254304
Rey falling to the Dark Side before coming back to the Light in the final film would be interesting. Like a condensed version of the 6 original films. Rey joining the Dark Side at the end of the next film would also be a good mirror for the Empire winning at the end of episode 5.

I don't think Rey really has the personality to fall to the Dark Side though. Although I guess Snoke could tempt her by offering her the power to save Finn's life.

>>78254351

Clone Wars gets shockingly good after the first couple of seasons.

Rebels got good in the second half of the first season, second season started strong but has been doing episodic plots but the latest ep was pretty good.

>>78253900
No, just the movie is drawing everyone's attention.

>>78254323
You forgot

>Lupia N'Yongo plays Assajj Ventress
>Benedict Cumberbatch plays a young clone of Palpatine
>one of the villains is a descendant of count Dooku

To be fair this sounds less wild than what Jar Jar actually wanted Cumberbatch for.

>>78254219
I disagree. He doesn't seem like a Vader at all and I don't think he will get a similar story arc. If he gets redemption, it will happen slowly over the whole trilogy and he will suffer more than Vader did. But unlike Vader he might survive and walk off into the unknown regions. If he doesn't get redemption, then he'll probably become the Big Bad and murder Snoke.
Whatever they do, it will be different to what Lucas did with Vader, because Kylo Ren is a completely different kind of character. He's a complex anti-villain who desperately wants to be a complete monster. We never had anything like that in Star Wars before which is awesome.

>>78253887
This doesn't even try to look like Christie but whatever, there's very little decent Phasma content anyway

>>78254433
>He's a complex anti-villain
How is he an anti villain? After all he's done he's just a straight up villain.

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This is Annikin, I've reached the sneaking point.

>>78253868
>now with a gunner, a pressurized cockpit, an ejection seat and a parachute.
What about shields? Do they have shields?

http://strawpoll.me/6291092

Reposting the poll.

>>78254537
Why do you keep spamming this?

>>78254537
But that's Kane

>>78254433
While he has a degree of complexity, I'd hardly say he's an anti-villain

Are they changing the standards on how deep into a gravity well you're allowed to safely enter and exit hyperspace now?

Are they also changing the standards on how planetary shields work?

I'm rather astounded that Starkiller Base wasn't escorted by Star Destroyers, did they not learn their lesson from the Death Star?

>>78254601
>learn their lesson

The only thing they'll learn is to build an EVEN BIGGER Death Star, the Death Sun.

>>78254433
I Still suspect that the rumour that he has to rely on old sith artifacts for power (maybe not completely, but partially) If you look at how he acts thoughout the movie, it screams -SELF ESTEEM ISSUES- which could definetly stem from him really just being average or below average with the force. Particularly his freeze move looks suspecious. Its an immensively powerful trick that we havent ever seen before, but he seems kind of underwhelming otherwise, you ?

>>78254549
They do in X-wing, i think.

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>tfw no more Empire of the Hand
Unless Luke has actually been building his own Empire of the Hand populated exclusively by Jedi

>>78254064
I always wanted Mighty Ducks porn

>>78254433
>he doesn't seem like Vader at all
To me he seemed like more self-aware version of post-RotS Anakin

>>78254631
I don't think he lacks power, I think he lacks skill.
All his moves were heavy handed but not at all subtle.

>>78254601

Apparently their Destroyer in the movie was built in secret in violation of post-war laws so they probably don't have many of them.

>>78254412
so i should watch em cool

>>78254655

Playing the Imperial Civil War mod feels so shallow now ;_;

>>78254700
Where did you get that? im genuinely interested. I spent a lot of the movie wondering how the hell things ended up the way they are, politically. And where things are taking place, geographically. Like is the Order in the outer rim? what happened to Corruscant?

>>78254700
Does the New Republic not have many ISDs either?

I rather enjoy concept of the canon universe being one where the major difference is thanks to an early peace treaty everyone sensibly disarmed and there was a gradual climb-down over time of armaments so the conflicts become more local and sporadic.

It makes for a very large and obvious difference to Legends in which thanks to the lack of an early peace treaty the war just kept scaling up and up and up until by the time of the Yuuzhan Vong war there were Star Destroyers basically everywhere, and the NR had three whole fleet groups guarding Coruscant alone.

>>78254631
He seems to be very powerful and he would've destroyed Finn and Rey if Chewbacca didn't shoot him before, so it's not that he's weak. But he is still inexperienced and he has basically zero self control while Rey can stay collected even in a stressful situation.

It'd be great if the Republic/Resistence built their own super weapon in response to the First Order's.

>>78254852
>Episode IX is Death Star to Death Star combat
>There's a beam clash

>>78254700
>>78254819
I imagine they're in a cold war scenario that Starkiller Base was supposed to break.
Next episodes will probably be the rest of the galaxy turning on them, and Snoke/Luke taking a more personal role in it all.
Remember how hard Obi Wan got him when Alderaan got destroyed?
Imagine how Luke must have felt when The Senate Solar System got wiped out

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>in the EU years everyone was complaining about Imperial splinters and new Imperial superweapons so much that they brought the Yuuzhan Vong to change things up
>the new canon which is supposed to be a new beginning for Star Wars includes an Imperial superweapon built by an Imperial splinter
>everyone loves it anyway
Miss me yet?

>>78254523
>>78254574
He is brutal and aggressive, but he was also being humanised from the very beginning. Did you notice how his behaviour changes whenever he doesn't wear his mask? He seems much more insecure and vulnerable whenever the mask is off, even in the scene where he kills Han
Although he's a cruel villain, we're supposed to relate to Kylo in a twisted way.

>>78254852
Wasn't that in one of the early drafts? Where the lightsaber was basically a macguffin?

>>78254907
I'd be amazed if they kept that scale of one upmanship.
Given that the First Order and resistance doesn't seem to have that big a fleet, it feels more like a one shot gamble.

>>78254323
>Finn and Poe being Force-sensitive.

>The Rebels having a superweapon of their own.

>Luke being a cyborg after several battlefield injuries, more machine than man.

>Luke and Kylo harnessing so much are Force they level an entire planet in the wake of their duel.

>Rey/Poe.

>Rey/Finn.

>Phasma being obsessed with killing Finn, leadind to a fight between them.

>Hux being Palpatine's son and being betrayed and killed by Kylo for dismissing the Force.

>Chewbacca dies.

>>78254942
I liked how he paid attention to Finn during the open scene and immediatly knew he was the one who had defected. It was nice having a leader who seemed to actually pay attention to his underlings.

>>78254965
>The Rebels having a superweapon of their own

This was probably a real thing that got cut.

>>78254978
He even knew that the soldier's "name" was FN-2187.

Okay, it's really bothering me. Was I supposed to know who Max von Sydow's character was?

>>78254798
>>78254819
>>78254893
http://imgur.com/a/o7sKV

They talk about the Star Destroyer on Ren's page.

It also says that there is a Republic Fleet and it's the strongest army in the galaxy, but it's a fraction of the old Republic's clone army in terms of strength. They also explain about the Republic senate scene, the world they destroyed was Hosnian Prime not Coruscant.

>>78254965
>Phasma's face isn't shown because she's a droid

>>78254978
>>78255020
I felt that the First Order cared more about it's troops than the Empire did. Plus I liked how Hux defended his Grandfather when Kylo mentions that they should have used clones trained from birth after Hux's men failed

>>78255031
I wish Rebels was set between episode 6 - 7 to actually explain all this new stuff.

>>78255028
For like 5 seconds I thought he was Obi-Wan projecting an illusion or something like that

>>78255000
Yeah, it seems like they cut out many scenes and I really missed the scene of Kylo sitting in the Millenium Falcon that was in the MSW synopsis. That would have probably been very powerful, but I guess the plot was already too bloated.

>>78255067
I wouldn't be surprised if that's when the next animated show takes place

>>78255067
We will get another TV show soon enough, don't worry.

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Post your most ridiculous predictions for episodes 8 and 9.

A new clone army is made from Phasma

>>78254907
Funny how Starkiller Base is basically a cross between various non-canon superweapons:

>Death Star
General shape and concept

>Star Forge
Power source

>Eye of Palpatine
Looks like a celestial body (asteroid/planet)

>Darksaber
It's a crude North Korean knockoff of a Death Star

>Centerpoint Station
Delivers a beam through hyperspace

>>78255154
A red wedding-like scene where Leia, Luke, Chewie, C-3PO and R2D2 suddenly get killed off.

>>78255154
Luke has already trained a whole planetful of Jedi

>>78255154
Luke performing bare handed Saber blocks.
Revelation that Luke hid away because he didn't trust himself not to go absolutely batshit insane when he gets revenge of Snoke.

>>78255154
Phasma is relevant and wins a hand to hand fight

>>78255154
Rey turns to the dark side and Kylo turns to the light side. Kylo kills Rey and becomes a main protagonist in the next trilogy.
It's not impossible, but I would be seriously surprised if they actually did something like that.

Kylo really missed a chance to point out that Rey was fighting with her aggressive feelings and that was the path to power.

I suppose he's just not that good with the dark side.

>>78255280

So you want the ending of Rob Roy but with lightsabers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27M5KWI_q50

>>78255154

Sexy female Sith. Preferably played by a double-jointed acrobat.

>>78255031
Huh, so Zuvio IS a Kyuzo.

>>78255031
>http://imgur.com/a/o7sKV
Thanks anon, this post is SUPER useful!
it solved a lot of my confusion.

>>78255154
Rey is the daughter of Luke and the Force

>>78255280
I wouldn't mind a character using the Force to catch a Lightsaber blade. They're not actually touching the blade, but just keeping it a tiny fraction away from touching them.

>>78255361
The fuck is that supposed to work.

>>78255031
>The New Republic did not settle on Coruscant. Instead, its capital shifts across member worlds by a process of election.
This sounds incredibly inefficient. The infrastructure of the bureaucracy needed to govern a galaxy of billions of worlds surely is not so easy to uproot and move every few years.

>>78255407
Luke fucked the force lady from that Clone Wars episode everyone tries to forget about, duh

>>78255361
>>78255407

>It's like the last Codex Alera book and the manifestation of great power is a hot chick

>>78255310
I'd love for this to happen, but I really think they'll play it safe for the next two.

>>78255417

It's probably a great way to make the alien worlds feel important though.

"Hey guys, we're the republic, but we want you to know that we're not some faraway uncaring assholes, so we're going to come and have our sessions on your planet!"

And this is Star Wars, so they could probably have just strapped rockets and a hyperdrive to the senate building or something.

>>78255471
>so they could probably have just strapped rockets and a hyperdrive to the senate building or something.

Episode IX is the Senate building vs the Sphere of Fear

>>78255322
More like Luke looks like he's going to pull an Obi Wan, but grabs the blade with the force before it hits him.

>>78255471
>And this is Star Wars, so they could probably have just strapped rockets and a hyperdrive to the senate building or something.

Oh great now I have the image of the hover platforms on the senate rocketing through space.

>>78255407
Luke lets the force flows through him. He jizzes on the floor and decides to clean it later. It ends up growing into a baby

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>>78253887
Everytime I see that symbol, all I can think of is "barbed cock ring"

>>78255235
a-and maybe one of them is just a guy with a lightsaber and a few questions?

>>78253694
>rebels don't surf

>>78255545
Anti rape device for female Storm Troopers makes sense.

Weird that they finally found Luke at the end and only Rey and Chewbacca and R2 went there. Leia didn't want to drop by and say hi? They didn't think they might need to bring some X-wing escorts since they have no idea what dangers are lurking in the Unknown Regions?

So do you reckon that the Knights are going to job when they turn up, be presented as a threat to normies but not force sensitives, or are they going to be a legit threat to all concerned?

>X-wings get sent to strike a high value target and get massacred
Should have sent B-wings or A-wings.

>>78255705
They'll be villains for Finn, Poe, Chewie and other normies to fight.

>>78255629
Leia probably has duties.
Or maybe she feels guilty for not nurturing her own talents and helping him out.

>>78255724
Yeah, using an A-Wing as a manned cruise missile to take down a high value target has worked before.

Were there any Bothans in this movie? Aside from the Mon Cal at the strategy meeting and that weird new long-faced alien in Poe's squadron I'm having trouble remembering if I saw any other alien Rebels at all.

>>78255154
Since we're talking about rebel's superweapons...
Leia get the command Alderaan's Will, a powerful terraforming tools made to give a new home to the victims of war(s) or to fix planets that have been ravaged by them. Used on a inhabited world however...
But with the threat of the First Order, the temptation is great to use it to destroy their Bastion and end this war already. How many worlds we won't have to rebuild by destroying a single one?

>>78255705
Actually, it would be an interesting thought if the Knights of Ren were were padawan level at best when alone but when grouped together they become a legitimate threat

>>78255724

Apparently those Rebel troop transports are built from cannibalized B-Wings.

>>78255805

There was a Sullustan in the X-Wing squadron, and plenty of aliens in the base shot, especially near the end.

>>78255805
That was Admiral Ackbar. Tien Numb was also in Poe's squadron and I think there some others scattered around the Rebel headquarters.

>>78255417
>The European Parliament has three places of work – Brussels (Belgium), the city of Luxembourg (Luxembourg) and Strasbourg (France). Luxembourg is home to the administrative offices (the 'General Secretariat'). Meetings of the whole Parliament ('plenary sessions') take place in Strasbourg and in Brussels. Committee meetings are held in Brussels.

What was up with that asian girl pilot that kept opening her mouth to say something but never had any lines?

>>78255740
She probably feel guilt for her son massacring his students

>>78255878
Yeah, but those are in established fixed locations. They don't have to keep picking up everything and moving it to some new place every now and again.

>>78254819
By making peace with the Empire and disarming the New Republic is really just saying "fuck you I got mine" to the planets still suffering under Imperial rule aren't they? Somewhat contradicts their original intention to free the galaxy from the Imperial yoke.
It's not like both the NR and the Empire are holding superweapons and the threat of mutual assured destruction is maintaining the cold war. If the NR had the upper hand their ideals should have demanded they press their advantage, if the Empire had the upper hand their system would demand the same.

>>78255888
> "Ms Solo, I'm calling about your son. We have some troubles with him at school..."

>Luke, a trained Jedi, couldn't stop Vader from reading his mind to find out about Leia
>Rey, a scavenger with no training, easily repulsed Kylo's attempts to get a picture of the map from her head
JJ pls

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Miss me yet?

>>78255951
Luke was inches away from losing his shit, mostly self trained and Vader was one of the most powerful Force users who ever lived,
Rey is untrained, but Kylo quite clearly is too in regards to anything subtle.

It's barely an apt comparison, m8

>>78255951
girl power

>>78256008
if the movie is pushing a girl power agenda why does Phasma die in such an embarassing way?

Anyone else like how much "weight" they managed to impart to blasters and lightsabers? Prequel lasers and sabers felt comparatively light.

>>78256045
No, because lack of weight in the prequels is the only thing that let Jedi make sense in a galaxy where laser guns are a thing.

>>78256076
>laser guns
it's plasma, they shoot plasma

>>78255951
She reminds me of how Ezra is with the force.

>>78256125
Im pretty sure that if she doesnt turn out to be Lukes there might be some sort of nod that her father is Ezra somehow!

>>78255952
No

>>78256045
Yes, gave the action scenes a more realistic feeling. I also really liked the lightsaber battle, but Rey should have gotten some scars at least.

So I just read The Crimson Corsair and the Lost Treasure of Count Dooku short story. When does this take place? Before or after Endor? It would kind of be cool if Kix is still running around with Sidon Ithano even if he was biologically ancient

>>78256155
haven't they already said that the show will have little to no connection with the new movies?

Do Stormtroopers all train to fight with vibroblades? Only explanation I can think of for a guy who works in sanitation to be able to handle a saber. At least Rei is experienced in fighting with a staff.

>>78254323
>le baby girl

How did people feel about it anyway?

I'd been looking forward to it, then a combination of spoilers and reviews branding it a 'rehash' really brought me down right before attending a midnight release screening here in the UK with my bros - I ended up expecting to hate it.

Poe giving BB-8 the map (Death Star Plans) really had me rolling my eyes, but in the end I came around to actually appreciating the way they used so many original trilogy setpieces with different spins, showing history repeating itself, establishing the new leads while having the older characters react in different ways.

Got home at 4AM, woke up today and on a whim went to see it again with two of the three same bros at the first daytime showing in my hometown, actually appreciated it a lot more the second time since I could focus on how the story was told rather than trying to pick out differences and details about the new 30-years-down-the-line state of the universe.

I'm so glad there wasn't a bullshit 'No, I am your son,' reveal or anything, which is what the spoilers had made me expect and worry about. In a way, knowing about Han's death made it even more tragic.

So, like, when the ground collapsed and separated Ray and Kylo, did Rey not have her blaster anymore? She could have shot him easily.

>>78256388
I think executing him would have undermined the 'jedi path' thing.

Although that would have been more then justified

>>78256388

She dropped it when she got knocked out and then diddn't pick it up after she force grabbed the sabre

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I have a feeling swtor inspired a robot in the castle in the force awakens. Go look up Scorpio in swtor and look at the robot in related picture. They look really similar.

it troubles me what is kylo's real name. they never called him by his true name they just called him son of is hie real name kylo

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>>78256042
Because Hollywood hates tall girls :(

>>78256388
That would have been hilariously anticlimactic.

>>78256370
I liked the fact that they didn't try to drag out the Father/Son thing, and that they left Rey's parentage a mystery.
A heavily hinted mystery, but one nontheless

>>78256497
Jacen, his name is Jacen Solo.

>>78256370

Yeah honestly the movie has a hell of a lot of similarities to ANH but frankly that's okay, because Star Wars came out in the 70s and most of the audience of this one are kids now. It's alright to reuse ideas and reintroduce them to a new generation, frankly as time goes by the chance of them sitting through the originals will go down.

>>78256495
Eh not really seeing a direct influence.

>>78256042
Wait she dies? I don't remember seeing her die, or was that throw away trash compacter line what your talking about

>>78256497

His real name is Ben. Han yells it on the bridge.

Did they not explain enough in this movie?

Like the background of the First Order, New Republic, or Resistance? I felt like I didn't know jack fuck about what was going on in the galaxy

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>>78256506
one day she'll shine in something that's not GoT... r-right? ;_;

>>78256495

>Pazaak

Also one of the senators is labelled as being from Taris.

>>78256558
I thought he was shouting REN

>>78256558
It's so weird for Han and Leia to name their kid after Obi-Wan when Luke is the only one who really knew him.

>>78256605
He was a good friend to Bail though.
Luke is also probably his Godfather.

>>78256519
Exactly. It was more an inversion of Jedi's Luke/Vader moment in that Ren did the opposite of redeeming himself by saving Luke - rather than what I was worried about, that it'd just be a simple reversed father/son reveal from Empire.

>>78256539
Yeah, to be honest it really takes elements from the OT as a whole rather than just ANH - it's a pretty simple way of establishing "right, THIS is what Star Wars is," to normies who maybe caught one of the prequels in theaters or on TV but (rightfully) got bored by their meandering and put off the franchise.

Makes sense to get "JJ the reboot man" for this instalment, then hopefully we can see some cool new stuff in the next two episodes and anthology movies.

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>lil sister had never seen OT until a month ago
>She would always say she didn't like SW just to spite me
>show her IV on thanksgiving weekend
>she likes it
>Says she really wants to know what happens next
>show her V couple of days ago, and VI just last night
>live in San Diego, so cross the border at noon to see a 1:30 pm showing of the movie down in Mexico
>I tell her I'm gonna cry when the big SW logo comes out in the beginning
>I do
>tells me "aww don't cry"
>she is really digging the movie
>then we get to the part where Han dies, and she just starts weeping like a baby
>I could see it comming and I'm just like there there with water in my own eyes
>maximum light and dark pottery in that scene btw


Anyways, rank movies like this now that I've seen it

V>IV=VII>VI>III>II>>>>>>>>>>I

also, mfw the entire movie

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>>78256677
Shit, forgot to toggle my spoiler tags. Oh well.

>>78256712

I took my kid cousin to the premiere in Australia, he had a great time. There were plenty of kids there, including a little girl wearing a Stormtrooper mask, that was pretty cute.

>>78254655
Does the new movie contradict Thrawn trilogy?

I know Thrawn is no longer canon, but does anything actually happen in TFA that contradicts it?

>>78256775

You could probably squeeze a modified version in since the Empire still breaks up into factions.

>>78256812
That's what I assumed. If you changed the names of the twins in The Last Command, it could probably still work.

>>78256712

IV>V>VI=VII*>II>I>III

It's hard to put VII up there with the OT since they're never going to be quite as iconic and change things the way those movies did, but putting those things aside, from a storytelling point of view, Awakens has much better pacing throughoutI (between Jabba's palace and the Battle of Endor, things drag quite a bit), even if Jedi's peaks are higher.

The prequels are hard to rank. III goes at the bottom for me personally just because it's way darker than I think Star Wars should really get (Anakin slaughtering children makes it hard for me to accept his "redemption" in VI - even if his involvement with the Death Star has a higher bodycount, you don't see those on screen directly), however it also has the dankest memes so it's difficult

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>>78256908
>it also has the dankest memes
Here's a Christmas related one

>>78256908
>ranking 3 as worst
i know is your opinion but damn, your opinion is shitty as fuck

>>78256951
'tis the season then?

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>>78256908
>rating II more highly than I and III
>rating IV more highly than V

>>78256775

The New Republic never claims Coruscant. It's capital is and always was Chandrila.

As such, that whole subplot with the spy trees? No good. Anything that depends on the New Republic being on Coruscant just gets fucked in general.

Also, all the chronology regarding the Empire's relationship with Honoghr was already fucked by the prequels moving the Clone Wars and the birth of the Empire forward considerably.

>>78256558
are you sure i also thought he shouted ren

>>78256908
Hopefully VII gives us new dank memes.

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>yfw somehow just found out this was a thing

Holy shit.

Are they fun to play as in this?

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>>78256967
Did you ever hear the story of Rudolf the Reindeer? I thought not. It's not a story the Jews would tell you. It's a Christmas legend. Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer was a reindeer with a shiny nose so bright he could use the light to direct Santa's sleigh to deliver...presents. He had such a shiny nose that he could even keep the ones he cared about cheerful on Christmas day. Christmas magic is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. His nose became so bright...the only thing he feared was the other reindeer laughing and calling him names, which eventually, of course, they did. Unfortunately, the other reindeer wouldn't let him join in any reindeer games, then Santa hired him to guide his sleigh. It's ironic. The other reindeer rejected him, but not Santa Claus.

>>78257033
Once /tv/ has got the shitposting out of their system, they might get round to it.

>>78257058
We can only hope.

>>78256998
>It's capital is and always was Chandrila.

I've not seen the movie, but does it absolutely state that they never got Coruscant back? Not even for a while?

>>78253694
>Get to see Imperial Mandalore and Ryloth
Yes please

>"the confrontation" is coming
DARTH

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>>78257087
Read the text, it'll explain.

>>78257058
really hoping for a big guy mutation with Phasma

>>78257087
Not in the movie. Chandrila, as Mon Mothma's home world, was designated the capital of the New Republic in the novel Aftermath. According to the Visual Dictionary, after the Battle of Jakku (a little more than a year after Endor), the Empire and the New Republic struck up a Galactic Concordat, setting operational boundaries; the Empire mostly stayed in the Core and Inner Rim, while the New Republic takes the Mid Rim and Outer Rim Territories. The First Order comes from a group of Imperials who went off into the Unknown Regions, essentially they're the Empire of the Hand version 2.0.

>>78257045

SoulCalibur IV was kind of a misfire in general, as the SoulCalibur series goes.

You'll trash the AI's shit with Yoda from here to Coruscant, but if you try to take him against a human opponent of any decent skill he's basically garbage.

Vader's almost the reverse of Yoda that way. Struggles against the AI (which I'm sure must be cheating...or maybe I just really suck) but is upper-mid tier competitively.

Starkiller's somewhere in-between.

I can't really recommend it unless you absolutely must have a fighting game with lightsabers.

It's a hell of a lot better than Masters of Teras Kasi or TCW: Lightsabers Duels, though. It's bad for a SoulCalibur game, but it's all right in a general sense.

>>78257145
Interesting. I suppose if you tortured the lore a little, you could claim that Coruscant had been selected as the capital by process of election for the period in which Thrawn trilogy takes place, but that it was changed because of protests by disaffected systems. This sort of aligns with the Thrawn trilogy, because in the first chapter with Luke in it, he says that setting up government in the former Imperial Palace gets the symbolism "all wrong". But that's admittedly just wishful thinking on my part.

>>78256982
II has some hilarious lines, and is genuinely awful throughout, whereas I is not only bad but boring - there's about an hour after the podrace where fucking nothing happens.

I don't necessarily think II is better made, but it's more fun to watch with ur cheeky m8s.

I also prefer IV since the original Star Wars has a greater significance as a film, what it changed about Hollywood, George's struggles to get it made, the fact that every sign pointed towards it being a disaster yet one of the most significant films of the 20th century was salvaged from the troubled production.

V is great, and it's probably a better piece of drama, it's probably the best 'Star Wars film,' but as a film academic I just find IV to be more fascinating, particularly since it's the only one of the original trilogy which George directed himself, the way he recasts John Ford Westerns and Kurosawa Samurai movies into this grand retelling of Campbell's Hero's Journey. It's absolutely beautiful.

>>78256812
Disney needs to get Zahn to write a new Thrawn Trilogy set in the new canon.

>>78257300

In the new canon, the Imperial Palace is what used to be the Jedi Temple.

The symbolism is still all wrong, but for very different reasons.

>>78257342
An second edition of Thrawn would probably do the trick.

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>>78257359
>In the new canon, the Imperial Palace is what used to be the Jedi Temple.

i hate it

>>78257145
This is beyond crap.

A facist system of government and a Republic can't co-exist like this. Logically, both systems of government would find themselves drawn to war, and in the context of basically the everything we have seen from the movies, this is some revisionist stuff.

So the Rebellion signed a truce with the remnants of the empire. The most bloody regime imaginable, whose officer corps is compromised mostly of war criminals, and they just let them go. Let them go, rather, with a chunk of the galaxy to govern, or rather genocide and exploit for resources to build massive weapons of mass destruction which are to be turned on the Republic in due course.

This makes no sense. None. Neither side gain from this. Is it just so JJ can make a group called "the resistance" again? It is, isn't it.

>>78257359
>In the new canon, the Imperial Palace is what used to be the Jedi Temple.
Why in gods name would a sith lord want to do this. He fucking hates the Jedi, why would he just take over their temple without melting it down first.

>>78257390

You realize this is just like how the UN tolerates current-world regimes that are awful, right?

>>78257427
Because he knows every time he takes a shit, he's shitting all over the remnants of his enemies.

>>78257427

So that he can shit in every single Council member's personal bathroom at least once a day.

Also because there's actually an ancient Sith shrine deep beneath the Temple that the Jedi never knew about.

>>78257467
There is a difference. This would be like Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union not only fighting world war 2, but one side winning, then the other tolerating the others existence.

>>78257390
I have to agree to some degree. The whole point of the Rebellion was to overthrow the Empire. Why stop then?

>>78257467
>You realize this is just like how the UN tolerates current-world regimes that are awful, right?
The UN's entire goal goal is to maintain peace, not overthrow a specific government.

>>78257390
It's pretty bad. inb4 somebody compares it to the Soviet Union. This doesn't work, because the Soviets fought a war with the West against a common enemy, so they had strong diplomatic ties in the period immediately following WWII. Both West/East were united by a desire to create a stable post-war world. The same dynamic wouldn't exist between a totalitarianism that regards the rebels as illegitimate terrorists and the rebels who are nursing wounds and grudges formed over generations.

>>78257390

According to the EU the Empire collapsed into warring factions. The Republic has a powerful defense fleet that's stronger than the Empire, so by signing a treaty with them they're essentially letting the remains kill themselves off.

The First Order is basically just a terrorist organization.

>>78257501

What do you think the cold war was, anon? Not to mention all the shit that's happened after that.

>>78257501
That literally happened.

>>78257390
>A fascist system of government and a Republic can't co-exist like this.
Why not?
>both systems of government would find themselves drawn to war
Which will most likely happen now that the republics fleet has been destroyed
>with a chunk of the galaxy to govern
A chunk that was pretty loyal to the empire
>Neither side gain from this
Empire can recover after losing several high-ranking admirals. Rebel Alliance can consolidate their power and catch their breath.

>>78257585
The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was pre-ww2. Just imagine the two actually fighting the war, millions of deaths, the crimes, etc, THEN they sign a peace treaty.

>>78257563
>According to the EU the Empire collapsed into warring factions.
The EU isnt canon, mate

>>78257620
I mean the new one.

>>78257596
>Why not?
Facist governments always dissolve into foreign expansion. Logically, the empire remnants would always strive to govern the galaxy, not whatever backwater they were exiled to.

>loyal to the empire chunk
Why leave a rump state, where it can rebuild, rearm and then threaten the galaxy again? And they clearly made incursions into republic space

>consolidate their power
By letting their greatest enemies live? Then sponsoring a resistance which undermines their own peace treaty.

>>78257627
So, currently, then does the New Republic hold the Core worlds?

>>78257596
>why not
see >>78257545

>>78257596

>New Republic is most likely completely wiped out with the destruction of the Hosnian system
>First Order had their main base destroyed, but much of their leadership has escaped.

We're going to get AotC Mk.2, mark my words.

Hopefully without the awful directing and writing.

>>78257672
I haven't read that much of the new EU, so I'm trusting
>>78257168

>>78257698
The Republic moves capitals so they're likely not completely wiped out.

>>78257666
>Facist governments always dissolve into foreign expansion. Logically, the empire remnants would always strive to govern the galaxy, not whatever backwater they were exiled to.
Why couldn't they just do that in secret and with a lot of plotting? I mean, that's what the First Order has started to do in TFA

>>78257585
Stalin only agreed to the non-aggression pact because the West refused to deal with Hitler. Stalin had been pleading for an anti-Hitler alliance for a long time. Hitler was seen as a way to contain the Soviets by some powerful people in the West, but then he became an even bigger problem and only then did the West intervene. Molotov-Ribbentrop was self-preservation on Stalin's part and would inevitably collapse. Everybody recognized that. You couldn't have built a Cold War style coexistence on it.

>>78257733

Of course, but you can see how the rest of the galaxy would see this as weakness on the part of the Republic.

>>78257168
So does that mean that the Empire exists in some form as well alongside the New Republic and the First Order? If they do, I wonder if they still use the original Stormtrooper armour?

>>78257168
What happened at jakku where the empire and New Republic struck a truce? Must have been hardcore for both sides to concede.

>Empire stayed in the Core and Rim, New Republic takes mid Rim and Outer Rim

I call complete bullshit on this. Both sides claim to govern the galaxy- only one can. With the rebellion, can they seriously claim to be champions for democracy and peace whilst Billions suffer under the Imperial rule? And the Empire would never allow itself to lose the Mid and Outer Rim by diplomacy, they'd have to be militarily destroyed before they would compromise like that. And at that point they'd be so weakened as to be vulnerable enough to collapse, so why even bother with a truce?

>>78257811
The First Order is the last remnant left I believe.

>>78257745
The Rebels would know that it how the empire operates. By just letting a section go, they are asking to be attacked down the line in a few years.

The only calculation that makes sense was that the rebels were too weak, and needed to re-stock before expanding again. But the way this is phrased suggests the Rebels don't intend to actually liberate the galaxy, just the bits of it which matter politically to the members of the rebel alliance itself. Hardly the heroes they've been portrayed to be.

>>78257698
You mean attack of republic strike back.

>>78257698
>>New Republic is most likely completely wiped out with the destruction of the Hosnian system
Why.....

VI actually for nothing.

>>78257873
>Hardly the heroes they've been portrayed to be
It makes it more interesting though

>>78257698
>completely wiped out

Nah, they are like the Empire, too massive to be destroyed in one take-down. Although TFA is pretty shit when it comes to explaining basically anything about what is going on outside of the main characters

>>78257903
You think this will be explored with ANY significance? Its just an excuse as to why their are a group of 'rebels' going up against evil imperials again, instead of massive fleet to fleet combat that should be happening.

This coming from a setting which can't actually explain where humans come from and why they mostly populate the galaxy

>>78257666
>..not whatever backwater they were exiled to.
Which is what the First Order is doing.
>Why leave a rump state, where it can rebuild, rearm and then threaten the galaxy again?
I think that you're really overestimating the Rebel fleet at the end of ROTJ.
>Then sponsoring a resistance which undermines their own peace treaty
What is a Cold War, Trebek?

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>>78258002
>that's what the first order is doing
Why in gods name they are being allowed to exist in the first place if the Rebels/Republic KNOW they are doing it is my contention.

>over-estimating the fleet
I have no idea what happened then. None, and TFA doesn't have shit either. So I can't really claim anything about this.
>Cold War, Trebek
It's not cold if you flat out just support them, so much that your opponent KNOWS your doing it. Cold wars are mostly through spies, intelligence etc. At most you have proxy wars, but the Resistance isn't a proxy, its basically an armed wing of the Republic. It loses its value of...whatever its actual purpose is (defeating the First order?)

Will Episode VIII be the Finn/Poe bromance power hour?

It should be.

>>78258159
It will be Mary sue (ray) learning how to solve all her problems by hitting them hard with a saber

>>78257820
After Endor, the Empire started falling apart left and right, by about three months later a few of the leaders convene an emergency session to figure out what the fuck they're going to do to try and salvage things (the plot of Aftermath involves this).

At Jakku, the Imperial remnant(s) dedicate a huge portion of their fleet to the battle. It gets rekt hard by the New Republic fleet, losing what is potentially their only remaining SSD.

Lost Stars covered some of the Battle of Jakku, but only just a small portion of it showing an Imperial captain get her ship wrecked and boarded right before it starts to fall to the planet. I'd assume the final book of the Aftermath trilogy will show the battle in more detail.

>>78258159
That and the "Luke wrecks shit and shows what a Jedi can really do" would make for an actually good movie.

>>78258159
>Will Episode VIII be the Finn/Poe bromance power hour?

I hope so. From my second viewing, their relationship was one of my favourites in the movie.

I just love all the shit with Rebel pilots in any of the movies.

Really disappointed that Rogue One isn't going to be some kind of Top Gun Rogue Squadron movie, though I imagine it'll still have some cool ship stuff.

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So if Kylo has Vader's head does that mean he went full Skywalker on an Ewok village?

>>78257087

No im pretty sure they did take Coruscant but it's not the capital, it's just the most populated planet and stuff.

Ren's angsty unstable school-shooter vibe really worked, his clear insecurity made him seem really unpredictable. He's what prequel Anakin should have been tbqh familia.

>>78253823
You fucked up again, Kylo

>>78253959
Yeah, but not while the Death Star was exploding

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>>78258364
Is Kylo a Supreme Gentleman to Snoke's Supreme Leader?

>>78257698

Devestated yes, they lost their current capital and they might face ANOTHER Seperatist crisis given that they look weak. But it's going to take a whole lot more to destroy a whole galactic government.

Much more likely, they'll be going full on the war path "The Republic Strikes Back"

>>78254390
>>78254304
>Kylo getting completely cucked by the Dark Side
>has to cry home to mommy

Perfect

>>78254433
>suffer more than Vader did

Yeah. No. He still has a mom. And all his limbs. And working lungs.

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>>78258536
he also hasn't been soul-molested by sheev

What's Snoke like?

>>78258600
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>>78258600

He's fucking huge. But he might just be normal since it's a hologram. Seems like a pretty chill, hands-off guy.

>>78258657
He's not a keikaku man?

>>78258254
Probably. Maybe we'll see it in some future comic or TV show. I hope the Knights of Ren have massacred some gungans too.

>>78258704
some men are so keikaku they can afford to play it cool

sheev was enthusiastic about scheming, but his was a youthful enthusiasm

snoke plays the long game

>>78258364
He's my new favourite villain. Probably the best acting I've ever seen in Star Wars. Glad, they didn't kill him off.

>>78258199
Of fuck, it is actually just going to LoK...

>MFW most normies think it was Coruscant the planet that got destroyed by starkiller

Glad I didn't buy that Phasma figure.

What a waste of a cool design.

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>>78256908
>III goes at the bottom for me personally just because it's way darker than I think Star Wars should really get (Anakin slaughtering children makes it hard for me to accept his "redemption" in VI

That's why Luke forgiving him is so fantastic. Because Vader thinks he doesn't deserve to be saved. The Emperor believes that he doesn't deserve to be be saved. Most of Luke's allies believe he doesn't deserve to be saved. But Luke does. And that's why he won:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-HFv6Ms1lw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuPe-ly0BHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFYoZ7H67A

Vader turned himself into a monster because he was trapped by shame and self-loathing. Then his son, who he maimed, frees him.

Also, let me get this straight. An entire planet getting destroyed in a callous act of mass murder is a-okay in your book, while a room full of kids getting killed is going too far? And you have issues with the "Sith Win" movie being dark? What? Did you want sugar and rainbows to flood the stars while the My Little Pony theme blares out ad nauseum?

>>78259267
Not that anon, but when you have the phrase "killing younglings" as a way to cover up "killing children" then you have some seriously dark stuff. My complaint would be that kids were actively marketed towards in Phantom and Clone wars, so the tonal shift was odd. Artistically it makes sense, but it was abrupt.

Why is it that nobody in the movie seems to give a shit about what happened to the Hosnian system? The senate just got wiped out, hundreds of billions of lives were lost. Leia should be going fucking berserk that another Alderaan just happened and nobody seems to care. What the hell man, that's fucked up. I really hope we get a book that deals with the consequences of this event.

>>78259386
I think if someone dropped a rock on Washington DC most people would be ok

>>78259267
That is why Luke is the best character in all of Star Wars.