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>Post ideas, art, comics you've done
>Share your website/portfolio
>Ask for critique, information, or advice on writing or drawing
>Do some fanart for someone if you feel so inclined.
>Do some exercises. It'll be fun
>Practice Practice Practice
Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Let’s start of the list with a useful guide for PANEL LAYOUT:
http://innerspace.notonigon.com/?p=8
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/
>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed
>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
PEOPLE: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/
>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/
>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV (embed)
>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#
>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'scribblehatch' or 'starlinemike' and they'll add you in.
discordia chatroom link: https://discord.gg/0ckxsOeUFTo3h7m4
Wise words from John Cleese:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo
Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf
Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/
Comic Script: Plot to Outline
http://rocketbot.com/tutorials/626/writing-a-comic-script-from-plot-to-outline-to-final-draft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdSliCl-YnM
>Trying to figure out a simple cool sentence for a promotional art of my comic book.
>>77659072
more context? we could help
>>77659072
type "more than 95% of webcomics are total garbage, so mine probably is too."
>>77659120
Go for it.
>>77659163
"Jojo meets Charlie Brown."
And I know next nothing about your comic because you never post finished pages or a url.
>>77659072
>>77659149
"96% of webcomics take inspiration from rap & anime. Read this if you're part of the 4% who don't."
>>77659265
Oh right!
I should make a website or a tumblr!
>>77659302
Or maybe dump it into this thread.
So happy how these ads are doing. One of my side ads is fetching over $1 a day. Even if it drops all my ads should net at least $1 and it only goes up everyday. Not to mention the updates through this week should make some people come back for more and I don't have spend money out the ass ($10-$15 a day). I'm hoping I can drop down to about $5 a day and slowly get that much money back and maybe even turn a profit after some time. And then there's the growing money I'm getting from being a Hub affiliate (20 cents a day and growing).
Feels good man.
You all doing your best makes me want to do my best as well.
>>77660306
How do I know everyone isn't sandbagging?
>>77658654
hey i have a request could any anon remind me of the ame of a webcomic i forgot. its about a hero of a fantasy/ japanese world that becomes a otaku and is trying to be killed by the daughter of the demon king he killed
>>77660335
nvm guys i found it
i dont know what that term is but all i do is perpetually develop my concepts and ideas so they reach intense levels of depth.
Stacks of scrawls and scribbles attest to a plan always worked, never pitched.
Comics shall be produced by anon and into anon they shall descend.
>>77660936
Weisman effect. Or you're just an idea guy.
Time to throw in the towel for me. Been slaving on my webcomic or over a year and barely have any readers, the dream of making a living of it is dead. I learned stuff, but it's time to move on.
>>77661118
What's your comic? Maybe I can help?
>>77661118
What's the comic, bro?
I've been working on mine for a year; very small readership, but I just do this as a hobby so I don't particularly mind
Sexyverse guy here. My site has been getting 1-2k visitors a day. If you have an NSFW comic and you want some of the attention let me know. Throw up an email and some samples of your work and I will get back to you.
Also bump.
Posting my latest comic in case anybody missed it. Thoughts?
>>77661430
I personally don't like the cheesiness of her family but everything else is great.
>>77658654
>→ →
We've got to fix that extra arrow for next time
>>77659653
The thing from start trek sems to e more alcubierrish than... I was going to say teseractish, but it looks like subspace would have less than 3 dimensions (maybe none at all, which'd explain why matter can't be sent through) hence the "subspace" (like "subhuman", but not so denigrant)
You know, I'd kinda like to hear some more hindsight on how you came up with the concept
>>77661118
What's your webcomic so we can all get an idea?
>>77654094
it also refers to some kinky bdsm hypnosis shit
>>77661430
I'm searching for a spot to put some emotional hooks. Maybe it happens later. Right now I'm entrenched in a lot of action I don't fully understand.
>>77661118
gosh, a year!
>>77661547
i see only one arrow
>>77661118
You don't really need to send the link to your comic, but how many pages did it have, and what type of comic was it?
>>77664407
weird
are you on mobile?
>>77663618
The first issue is there to introduce the family and give the reader an idea of what Miss Melee is capable of, as well as showcase the high-caliber action our comic is capable of. Issue 2 and 3 in particular will delve more into the inter-character dynamics, and those will provide the emotional hook.
I'm actually a big proponent of a work being able to hook me right away, so don't think I'm taking your comment lightly or ignoring it. I give comics one issue to impress me, and I give TV shows one episode to impress me, and if they can't do something to get me hooked in that time I don't bother with them, so I can absolutely see where you're coming from on your comments about it lacking emotional hooks, although I feel the action itself is the hook, at least at this stage where the reader doesn't know a whole lot about the characters.
I would hope the action is easy to understand in of itself as one of the primary strengths of this comic is the quality of the action, at least that's our intention.
>>77661430
The crowd of people in panel 6 look really bad. They're blatantly copy pasted and clash with the tents. If you refuse to draw out a crowd then you should have gone for a narrower camera angle.
>>77667174
I think it's pretty obvious they just used a customized brush or something to add people in. Very lazy indeed.
>>77667174
Noted.
>>77664388
haha i know right
>>77666817
>I give comics one issue to impress me, and I give TV shows one episode to impress me, and if they can't do something to get me hooked in that time I don't bother with them,
This is why I get so nervous discussing my own wares with other creators.
We are a very different blood type than the idea enjoyers/consumers.
We're not all that indicative of the challenges we'll be facing.
>>77667647
I mean, everybody is different and people have different thresholds for that type of thing. The best you can hope to do is put out a product that you personally are happy with and if you're lucky there are a lot of other people who will be happy with it too.
>>77666817
>>77667647
>>77667753
A whole issue? I guarantee when it comes to web comics most people go only a couple pages in before passing judgement. Myself included. If the author knows what they're doing then it's good from the get go. First impressions are absolutely everything, especially when there's so much garbage on the internet.
>>77667809
Every sentence I read of this post became wrong-er than the last one. You are no older than 21. I can tell.
If I cared strongly enough I would advise everyone to ignore your advice. But I do not.
Although I guess I did type that out. And then post this.
>>77667809
I was referring to print comics, not webcomics. With webcomics obviously it's a whole different ball game given how they're consumed differently than printed comics. I really haven't read enough webcomics myself to have a specific threshold for sticking with it or abandoning it, with webcomics I've always played it by feel.
>If the author knows what they're doing then it's good from the get go
I really hope I know what I'm doing, and it feels to me like I know what I'm doing, I mean I've planned things out and I've analyzed and re-analyzed my scripts and plans, but that's not my call to make. My expectations for my comic's readership are very low, especially this early in the game, and so far from looking at my website stats my approximate readership has exceeded my expectations, but I could always screw things up and kill my comic so I have to be ever vigilant.
>>77667809
>If the author knows what they're doing then it's good from the get go.
Not every story is engaging immediately.
I didn't care much for the first parts of Phantom Blood until I realized the sheer scope of the story, forcing me to give the rest of the arc a chance.
There's too many exceptions in your argument for there to be a rule at all.
I am going to show my five pages
>>77667991
>>77668007
>>77668021
>>77668041
And that pretty much it.
>>77667928
>>77667970
"Good from the get go" does not mean an action packed super stunning shebang hook. There are good establishing shots and there are bad establishing shots. There are good action sequences and there are bad action sequences. Most webcomic authors just plow forward and don't look back. Too few look at their comic as one complete book, but as a ramble of pages. Remember, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
--That chain being readership and garnering an audience mind you, not strictly the level of quality, but the two are generally close.
>>77666205
hellll no
we must be using different extensions
>>77667174
i had no idea those were supposed to be people.
i'm all for being lazy with crowds but i at least make them solid blobs
>>77667970
>I didn't care much for the first parts of Phantom Blood until I realized the sheer scope of the story, forcing me to give the rest of the arc a chance.
which is why word of mouth is so important
let's face it, nobody looked at undertale and went 'lol sure i'll play another RPGmaker game with static image enemy fights and no player combat animation or item inventory graphics'
they heard from friends how deep and amazing it was
>>77669258
i heard blah blah blah and saw a darling little deer house
>>77669382
>>77669404london
>>77669258
i get you, but at the same time i can think of lots of comics that started off shaky and later found their footing (visually, joke-wise, writing, etc) - paranatural (though the pacing got worse as the art improved) and whomp! come to mind.
anyway, i also hope this is true because by the time i'm done with my comic the last pages will look different than those at the beginning - but redrawing pages is a horrible, horrible trap!
>>77669507
whitetailed deer in england? i think not
>>77669574
That's why you plan the whole thing out. After that, there's nothing saying you have to fill in pages linearly from prologue to epilogue-- you could do them in reverse order (final page to first page) or in a random order (for less pronounced quality shifts), just keep designs, color choices, etc fairly consistent.
>>77669718
yeah true, i wrote this straight ahead with no pre-planning until about halfway through... but that doesn't account necessarily for art that's gonna improve/change. i'm worried my print version will be a trainwreck because of all the variations. oh well!
>>77669290
>crowd of people
I missed it too.
>>77667647
>This is why I get so nervous discussing my own wares with other creators.
>We are a very different blood type than the idea enjoyers/consumers.
>We're not all that indicative of the challenges we'll be facing.
Eh, I don't think most people are like that.
At the very least for me, I can't remember a SINGLE series I watched/read in the last 2 years that got me hooked on the first episode/issue besides...
If anything, it usually give it like 5-6 issues/episodes before passing judgement
>>77670319
>oh dear i've spilled my grape drink on your beautiful white cloak
>no no it looks good that way
>but it's all sticky!
>it'll look fine when it's scanned dearie
>>77669911
You can mitigate it by designing everything beforehand and establishing some... conventions for the style of the comic.
>>77670709
This this this this. I can't even begin to tell you how many comics went to shit when the author decided to start changing the genre or the overall feel.
>>77660957
i'm an idea guy, yeah! always doing research and whatnots... but that weisman effect thing seems like an accurate shot at my failures to produce.
>>77660936
>>77670793
I had a similar problem for many years as I developed as a comics writer. I think for me it was just so much frustration over not finishing what I started, I was ready to commit to something that I liked and saw long-term potential in, and I did so.
>>77670756
Oh Spinnerette....
>>77671270
Spinnerette was never good, come on man.
>>77670756
and yet, when the opposite happens, we act like it's normal
because the opposite USUALLY happens. but sometimes, man.. the art just gets out of control over time. fucking atomic robo..
>>77670793
Weisman is also notorious for his high amount of planning and intricate character and plot details. He even had all of his characters' sex lives fully fleshed out.
>>77671279
it started out fantastic
like, zukahnaut fantastic
>>77671279
It was a stupid cheesecake comic that did its intended job until the writer wanted drama and angst. And Chochi wasn't on it. Now where's my promised Minerva porn Chochi?!
>>77670971
yeah ive been going at a specific idea for years, and since the beginning ive drifted from my early 'what if?' diversity-from-limitation scenarios to giving internal personalities a chance to form. Sort of from Lemarkism to Darwinism...
A free-form approach has definitely improved the product and i feel like i am able to take the portions required for storytelling while simultaneously letting lands beyond take their own form without resetting the focus.
Now all i gotta do is start, as you've said, commit to the ideas with long-term potentials and get the assembly line rolling.
>>77671311
>the art just gets out of control over time. fucking atomic robo..
What do you mean with gets out of control? I have not read AR
>>77671664
It just gets looser and looser and more and more exaggerated until it's fucking ridiculous. Robo starts out looking like a believable thing Tesla might build, who could reasonably wear human clothes and walk around among people... then he gets more and more gorillalike and the holes in his arms deepen until they become fucking salad bowls that would scrape the skin off of anyone he brushed up next to. His face goes from amazingly expressive for something so simple, to a pair of all-encompassing eyes with a little framing in between
>>77668066
>>77671974
>Me and the captain
Should be "the captain and I." Also the word bubble in panel 3 doesn't seem like it's pointed at the right person. It looks like the guy is saying it.
>>77671279
it would've been decent if they didn't turn it into the Social Justice League
>>77672295
Finally! So, What do you feel about the story so far?
I thinking about removing the speech bubbles in the next chapter.
>>77667991
>>77668007
>>77668021
>>77668041
>>77668066
>>77671974
So for starters you started at page 7. The beginning is very important and it'd be best to start with that. Then there's the lineart. It's rough and scratchy and you really really really should try something other than mspaint and a mouse to do them. Next there's all the grammar errors and awkward dialogue. At the very least get someone to edit and work on the dialogue.
Your style is pretty good but the lineart is a constant reminder that you have been given a specific criticism multiple times and have not fixed it. You said you were practicing on gimp and I have told you that you can use anchors and paths without needing a tablet. Once you get that mastered you can produce clean lines and improve your comic drastically.
>>77674119
>Next there's all the grammar errors and awkward dialogue. At the very least get someone to edit and work on the dialogue.
English is not his first language and various people have been helping him with it in previous threads but it really is something he needs to buckle down and improve himself.
>>77674119
Trying to make clean lines really make my comics unnatural and always make my comic look more ugly.
>>77674301
And yet he keeps denying it and gets mad about it.
>>77674495
Pls I did one of your panels with anchors in 10 minutes and it looked nice and clean. You need to apply yourself and keep at it.
I'm just warning you that you are getting to Dewd levels here. When someone is given criticism, doesn't listen, and keeps asking for criticism, everybody else will just ignore them. You don't want to be like that. Look how long until someone actually said something and how many posts were made after you put your comic up.
>>77674693
Dewd actually has significant, noticeable improvement from when he was starting out though. A more apt comparison would be to you-know-who.
>>77674693
I thinking about making a silent comic.
Little words, More art.
Hey, next page is done, it's still spoilers, so you know, read at your own risk.
But the page i post here is close to the one on the site because I'm running out of buffer and I'm in dire need of some guest comics before december 1st.
>>77674793
No Dewd is a good comparison. He Who Shall Not Be Named is below shit tier. Dewd's problem is the same and his improvement has been slow and not amounting to much. I remember a year or two ago I kept telling him to change his font because most of it was unreadable. I kept saying it time and time again and he FINALLY did it.
Then there's the various other things that have been brought up and he doesn't listen to the point where the others in these threads also ignored him.
This is not an environment for those that lack that need to improve and it shows in how the other anons react.
>>77674793
everybody keeps saying this, but i just don't see it. dewd can't draw well consistently... like his sense of color has definitely improved, but his writing and drawing hasn't very much. i know this is "harsh", but it's just not very good. i definitely see dewd being good in the future because he obviously works pretty consistently... it's just a matter of when he decides to study seriously.
>>77675159
>>77675002
>Ask about my story.
>People started talking about dewd again.
Goddamn it.
>>77675329
everybody's already told you what you need to know. over and over. take it, work with it, and come back. maybe do some drawing from life, or looking at some art outside of what you're normally interested in - try to find a different way to come at it.
>>77675329
Would you rather we just ignore you? That is likely going to happen at this rate. You got potential but you're being stubborn.
>>77675448
Not talking about art.
I am talking about story. Did you read me right?
>>77675448
The problem with one of the main things we're telling him to do (work on English) is it's something that takes years and he doesn't want to put that much time in. He SHOULD put that much time in, but he clearly doesn't want to.
>>77675448
or you could just ignore him, that's what i'm doing
>>77675714
Wait, I didn't mean become like bones.
This anon told me to show my work. So, I did. (>>77659265)
>>77675624
i thought english was his first language and it pissed him off when people said he wasn't? am i mistaken?
>>77675590
i hadn't, sorry. though the art in a comic is a large part of how a story is "read." it's hard to follow because of the way it is written. it seems like the time skips between pages are too big - like all the most interesting stuff is related to us through the narrator or spoken by a character. you tell more than you show. since you have trouble writing it out, you will have to visually illustrate what's going on so readers can follow. i think the premise is interesting, and the designs are cute... it needs to be more cohesive.
>>77675159
What's wrong with the story/ writing? Is it the grammar, or the whole thing in general?
>>77675590
You're kidding, right? You can't even listen to people properly and you want to ignore them and wait until you hear something you like?
You might as well give up if fixing your problems is impossible for you. Your story is garbage because nobody knows what's going on and your characters talk like someone talk a foreign language and ran through a translator a few times before having it spew out in English.
Is that enough for you? You're shit. And it's not because of your comic but because of you. You have flaws and you won't fix them and you act like an ass because of it.
>>77675946
nah dude it's cool, i still like ya. and once in a while i talk to ya. i gave you some useful advice before, you took a little of it.. but for the most part it's clear you have different goals and you're not really into taking the kind of advice i give. no hard feelings, i'm just going to ignore it when you keep asking
>>77676083
Wooooh
I didn't mean to make this kind of argument. This what it feel to be comic-book artist?
This is what it feel like to be like scribbie?
>>77675984
just... the whole thing in general. i figure we're just witnessing your artistic adolescence - your comic is really incoherent and rushed, and as a result reminds me of the sort of stuff my friends and i made in middle school for ourselves.
but anyway - the dialogue is awkward, the crude jokes fall flat, the figures look implausibly and unpleasantly deformed. you've also mentioned this is a hobby for you, so you'd just fix that stuff when it finally (if it ever) bothered you enough to do so.
>>77676300
just just just just just
>>77676300
Ok, your going to have to be specific with how my jokes fall flat and how they're crude and how the dialouge is awkward.
And what figures? The figures of speech?
>>77676285
well then i'll keep trying to help.. when i feel like i have anything to say (having read these pages, i don't. i don't have any real feel for the story yet. i don't even know what it's about, feel free to summarize)
and next time youre getting emotional and i ask you to calm down because we're all friends here, all on your side, try to do it.
>>77675984
For me, I don't even know what's going on most of the time. It's pretty much everywhere and seems to lack any coherence. I think part of the reason is that you have a lot of stuff going on and your cast is huge. And the art is pretty sloppy but I see improvements.
>>77676300
the crude jokes work for me! the rest of that is pretty dead on criticism though
>>77676441
i think he's talking about how you rush through the construction process and don't draw very carefully. you and i both know it's because you don't have the patience, it's cool. you are working on that.
>>77676015
>You're kidding, right? You can't even listen to people properly and you want to ignore them and wait until you hear something you like?
Finally, You just want to know this for a long time. Thank you for taking your time into reading my comics.
I going improve it in my next chapter. But, I am working on the prequel comics and proofreading my comic pages.
>>77676608
and we can always help proofread
so hey can you give us the basic skinny on what it's about? A lot of people in these threads do nothing else besides describe their premise, so feel free
>>77676608
>You
I mean "I". Sorry, I hate being under-pressure.
I will remove myself in the next two threads ahead.
>>77676531
Well, it's one of those things where you pretty much gotta read it the whole way through.
Also, I've cut down on a lot of the characters and I've just cut it down to the main six and Neptunia for the most part.
And yes, I know my art isn't the best and all that, I've heard that several times before, I was just talking about the writing.
>>77676015
>implying anybody should listen to everybody
Half the trick is knowing when to ignore advice. A lot of comments floating around these threads are bullshit.
Another Monday, another page of Deviants.
I might as well resurrect the /aco/ thread, too.
>>77676676
this is a great example of your emotional overreactions, my good man. not judgin' you, just something to keep an eye on. Maybe spend your time off in introspection and getting plenty of rest
>>77676300
Man, is this a thread for juvenile embarrassment? Cause I've got plenty I think!Comic Sans
>>77676758
with this much content, by all means
>>77676740
The problem here isn't who to listen to for criticism but the problem of listening to nobody's criticism.
Yes there is always that constant lookout for bad advice but when you have a few people saying the same thing over and over again, it's best to listen.
The mindset is usually: They don't know, I know what I'm doing.
Every time someone points out something it's an opportunity to get better or to at least hear what others have to say.
You think getting negative feedback is bad? Getting nothing is worse. I've been there plenty of times. I'll take all forms of shit over being ignored.
>>77676794
Thanks man, I am thinking about taking a break.
Drawing a something sexy.
>>77676812
>mfw trying my whole life to be this good. no seriously i have an anime story saved up for when i'm a little better than this
>only slightly better in a few ways but could still never do a lot of this, on my best day.
>and i like comic sans dammit
>and you're embarrassed by it
>>77676876
I am very grateful that You took your time and reading my terrible comics.
I am VERY sorry!
>>77676876
but these people also ask for input.. a lot. and they aren't just fishing for praise, they're waiting to hear something, they're not sure what. But they're pretty sure it's not what they're getting.
and yeah they do keep saying the same shit and posting the same shit... I think I've been in situations like this before, I can't divine the answer exactly. All I know is that if you just "just to shut them up" do what people tell you, take the same repetitive knee-jerk mainstream advice, do the practice... it never ever changes what they say. It's never enough
>>77676959
whoa, shades of cheeseblade. I like it. I think this is abetter medium for you than the scratchy binary lines
>>77677099
Most of it is simple criticism but it's often ignored. This thread is a lot more helpful than the Batman Drawthreads which are literally just people posting their art and not talking about others' work. People in this thread should be lucky there are those that will even reply to them.
>>77677132
Oh, It isn't mine.
It is from a good friend.
>>77677170
I can say with certainty that almost zero accusations of 'ignoring' are accurate.
>>77677029
You serious? Man, I love my work, but I won't sugar coat it's awful, and I love it because I made it, nothing else.
There are a gazillion better fonts for comics, and you can find a lot of free ones too.
The only thing I can say, based on what you posted is - Do not wait until you think your art is good enough - Jump naked into the pool and make what you want.
If you're not considering going to art school, or taking any class or seminar on illustration in the near future, then get your work done, because there's plenty to learn from this experience, and you're wasting it by waiting for the chance to be better.
Man, the things I'm finding in my archive folder are beyond embarrassment. This is one of the *finest* things I've found there.
I'm working on what I posted last time, I'm working on weekdays and weekends for a month, so I won't be able to draw and paint as much as I'd like.
>>77677482
i actually like this better than the stuff you showed when you first started posting in these threads, which I assume came later. I guess it's my animu goggles, but it looks great. I mean, I'm not exactly tugged in by the story whatever it may be, but the art. well drawn animu is my shit and will always be. Someday I'm going to make a retro masterpiece of 90s goodness, and if it doesn't look exactly like an old VHS tape screenshot when it's done, I won't be satisfied.
>>77677616
The problem with full manga style, at least for me, is that it only works when you do action/adventure.
I made a sappy tearjerker, and while I like it, it felt kinda wrong, so I've been trying to expand my horizons with experimental stories and drawing styles like Judgement, and my current work.
I'm sure as hell I will do manga style again if I ever do something heavily packed with action. I sure miss kinetic lines lol
This is an oldie but goodie life lesson for any artist out there.
>>77676812
>>77677482
Thing is that this is not bad and if that's your old work then you're comparing yourself to those that are struggling with their art now.
It is good to show that even good artists weren't always that way. But you also show awareness to storytelling and and have some style to go with it.
That's what the anons that need help in this thread have to realize. It's not just being able to draw better but writing as well and knowing about how to tell a story properly.
>>77677991
Those two are from 10 years ago. But it's true I'm struggling, because I felt I was too comfy doing only action manga, and I wanted to change.
It's possible that people find more appealing my old work, I can't retort to that nor I want to.
I dunno, maybe I get used to the stuff I'm trying now, and I get not only to improve, but to add new stuff I wouldn't dream of trying 10 years ago.
I've been thinking the "strip" format I use to make my, well, strips, and go back to full page comics. Maybe once I finish this chapter.
>>77677950
well i do like the way your style is a mashup of styles right now. I always mix my animu styles up.. which I justify because a lot of shows do that, you just don't see people talking about it as much. Not everyone in pokemon has the narrow eyes with the slit pupils after all
>>77678264
and yeah dude the stuff you're doing now is better than the stuff you were doing 2(?) years ago, so you should be happy. You tried a new thing, it took you a while to get really good at it, and now you are.
FROM THE ASHES
>>>/aco/216270
I wonder if someday this will be a valid thing you can do in a videogame
>dead thread
Stat time! So Deviants has just rocketed to 4k in a day. In fact, it's at 5,484 right now. This pic was from a couple hours ago.
Aaand someone just overbid me for the Between Failures spot. Too high for my blood and perhaps a good chance to see how I fare without that ad spot. I still have the Questionable Content square and that is now performing as well as the BF ad.
>>77678562
>>77679840
I bet if I made a porn comic I'd have actual readers.
I had two views today.
It's pretty typical.
>>77679865
What's your comic?
>>77679840
Well, I guess i can report my stats.
500 views today, and 480 views yesterday, apparently it's starting to get pretty popular on reddit with the latest page getting 7 points.
>>77679879
Res Nullius
>>77679865
>>77679987
you do have a knack for cuteness and some emotions brewing. someday when your art skills are more improved i bet you could do some fantastic porns. really sweet stuff that makes you cry from your eyes AND your downstairs.
>>77679987
Some xeno porn would be nice.
>Looking for Group is now advertising on my website
>Elsewhere traffic for just 2 cents
Sohmer you cheap bastard come and get that American traffic.
Maybe I should make a unrelated comic about random stuff.
A three panel comic.
>>77680669
Hmmm... yes. More.
Welp time to post hentai videos!
>>77667809
It's fun seeing so many amateurs desperately trying to find a way not to acknowledge this.
It isn't just with webcomics that this is true. Every type of storytelling medium both wants and needs to get its hooks in the reader early. Anyone in this thread who thinks different is just a delusional amateur. It really is that simple.
>>77679865
Mine's pretty low too lately, though it varies widely.
Last week I got 184 views but the week before I got 54, the weeks before that was around the same
Back when I was constently posting fanart on tumblr my comic would get more views because I guess people checked my profile when they saw art they liked, but as of late I just have NOT have the time to promote my comic in any way.
I don't particularly mind, desu, since I do this mainly for myself, but hey.
>>77682915
whats za name
new rule: you can't complain about declining/lack of viewership without posting a damn link.
>>77683075
>new rule: you can't complain about declining/lack of viewership without posting a damn link.
I like this rule.
Mostly as a deterrent to keep people from being depressing assholes.
>>77683075
Fair enough, you've probably seen is since it's
http://www.greenknightcomic.com/
Though I'm not really complaining, I know why the viewership is low since I've done nothing to promote it in the last couple of month. I was gonna try tapastic; though I remember that simply periodically updating my tumblr with fanart helped keep the viewership up.
im going to reboot my comic. i received a lot of feedback from here some time ago so i took that during my downtime to think a lot of it through.
>eight years have passed since the eight-year war. monarchies have fallen, and petty politics are now re-shaping the world.
>military vets kelly mullens and joseph lane have found a place in this new, rapidly-modernizing world as intelligence agents, working to find relevancy as soldiers once again through close protection, red teams shenanigans, and other high-speed, low drag hijinx.
>>77684274
The thumbnail seemed more promising than the full image.
For two reasons alone.
There's too much uncanny valley detail in the nose, and to a lesser degree, the mouth.
>>77684414
yeah, that's also something i'm trying to work on. i'm trying to learn what to simplify when narrowing things down to simple line work, which i think is a hard hurdle to overcome for lots of people getting into drawing comics or cartoons.
also i just get hung up on details because i like guns a lot, kek.
>>77679865
That dude is spending some serious money to advertise with other comics that have really high readerships so don't feel too bad anon.
>>77680813
Why is he even advertising anymore at this point? For better or for worse, Sohmer is one of the "top" webcomic names now.
>>77684274
Yes yes but when will you start drawing some delicious 1980s tactical???
>>77684890
the furthest back ive done is early 90's tacticool!
>>77684890
>That dude is spending some serious money to advertise with other comics that have really high readerships so don't feel too bad anon.
Funny thing is I don't even make that much money. I just budget myself really well. That and I got a $500 Christmas bonus. In a month I should get one of my old jobs back and that'll put an extra $400 in pocket each month. I'll think about getting another comic or something.
>Why is he even advertising anymore at this point? For better or for worse, Sohmer is one of the "top" webcomic names now.
He's no longer that relevant. Besides, PW has this thing where you have the system automatically bid for you. So I'm guessing his just found my website because it's racking in views and found the cheapest spot to advertise.
So in any case despite paying three artists, owning my own website, and waging an advertising campaign I thought I'd get back to drawing and do a 4-panel nsfw comic about a busty girl in space and gleefully banging anything. And she goes to a space academy. Or is captain of a spaceship. Something.
>>77687695
This sounds like it could be good if it had an element of sincerity to it somewhere. And layered jokes.
Like Taxi. Or early Simpsons. (Both shared key members of creative teams)
>>77687799
It'd be mostly a gag strip but the punchline usually involves nudity and sex.
>Space Orc Teacher: Welcome to Space Orc Rape Training Class where you get raped by space orcs because you inevitably will be raped by space orcs. Here you'll learn everything about how to mentally and physically prepare for when you get raped by space orcs.
>Girl: [raises hand] Is it true this class was just made so space orcs can rape young men and women?
>Space Orc Teacher: Looks like we got our first volunteer!
>Space Orc Teacher: Uhh... the best thing is to loosen your body... hngh... and not struggle... the last thing you want is to tighten up your body as a footlong roll of meat forces... ahh... itself into you and... y-you're not supposed to be enjoying this!
>Girl: Looks like I'm getting an "F" in more ways than one, woooooooh!
I expect most of the jokes to suck because gag strips are surprisingly difficult.
>>77688186
--Why do you wanna make this again?
>>77688347
Something to draw and write that doesn't demand too much of my time. I like drawing and writing and having something to do would be nice. I'm not expecting it to be a hit like the other comics but it's something I can at least do myself.
![Trollop[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g4O26G3.jpg "Trollop[1].jpg")
>>77684414
i think theyre fine, the problem is the placement relative to the eyes. she's got a catherine tate thing going on
>>77688186
i'm snickering pretty hard
>>77688186
Might as well throw some more ideas out to keep this thread alive.
>Sex is seen more as casual activity and there are little taboos about it.
>Bisexuality is considered the norm but not focused on too much.
>"Layla" seems like a good name for a nymphomaniac.
>Even by space standards, Layla is considered a whore.
>If I can't think up a good punchline then I'll just end it on hardcore sex.
You ever feel like no matter what you going to do.
You always going to suck it at it.
>>77690729
Yes, until I stuck with it long enough to realize that thought was stupid by design.
>>77690796
YOU ARE RIGHT ANON!
I KEEP ON TRYING UNTIL I GIT GUD! I will never stop trying until become a great web-comic artist and writer!
>>77690977
>until become a great
Also stupid by design. Because 'great' varies in definition. And sometimes great requires greed.
Until you're happy. That's the goal.
>>77691316
>happy is the goal
But the more pages I make the less happy I am
>>77690729
Stop making these posts where you pretend to be a depressed webcomic creator.
>>77691408
You are right!
I need to be stop being like Dobson and be a fucking man!
>>77691361
Then you're making a comic in such a way that you have nothing in the future to look forward to.
Making this doubly true for the readers.
This is 'Doing It Wrong.'
Make prospects.
>>77691408
To be honest a lot of artists and writers do deal with some form of depression. Sometimes it actually helps them be creative... while still eating away at them from the inside and giving them dark thoughts and tantalizing images of the sweet embrace of death and the end of suffering.
: )
>>77658654
Howdy-ho, /co/.
Artist and I just realized we're about three and a half issues away from being done with our first story arc of the Sisters. Which is sort of amazing, given how long we had it in the can and how quickly progress is going on now. Half-way through "The Monster", followed up by "The Secrets" which I got started working on today. It's going to be a nasty ride to the end, which I think I've said before, but will certainly be more apparent in the next few weeks.Violence abounds.
Feels good to have stuff accomplished.
Probably gonna storytime it all sometime early next month. Still need to get a proper website with better functionality(a cast page would be useful).But we're making strides. Gonna shill the site because I'm gonna grab a meal and won't be back if it is asked of me for at least an hour:thesisters-comic.com
Might even have time enough to start reviewing stuff again; a happy combination of things turning out okay and not feeling jaded as fuck about the medium.
How're you doing? How's your project going? How is it holding up the closer you get it to a point of completion, in regards to things that helped inspire it and your own personal growth?
>>77684274
>>77684601
You've been working on this for a couple years now, haven't you? I'm surprised you never took it to that final stage.
>>77691503
>don't stop your webcomic, you've to keep going
>stop your webcomic, you need to quit
Make up your goddamn minds
>>77692032
Very well. Make your comic even if you have no passion for it so that it is obvious you're phoning it in and your audience will lose interest much faster and you waste your time spinning wheels on a project you no longer care for.
>>77692134
You know what?
Keep on making your webcomic until It become good.Then bad, then good.
Comics is like a rollcoaster of quality.
>>77692032
No, make prospects within the comic you're already making.
But if there's absolutely no conceivable way to ever make this comic a thing of interest to you or anything else again, then yes. Wrap it up. And make something else, knowing more now than you knew then.
shit you guys. furblscrop's apartment burned down
>>77692770
Wait, who is that again?
>>77679840
I have new stats!
The only thing of note in here is the "visits" column which is unique visitors per day. I'm pretty pleased with that performance, especially this early into my comic's life. The number for today seems weirdly low because my host updates the data at weird times so it doesn't reflect however many actual unique visitors I have as of right now in the day and it won't reflect how many actual unique visitors I will have for all of today when it's all said and done.
>>77692801
bad adjectives guy
the thing with the kittycat guy with sunglasses and the weirdass humor, and where the art looks like shit but it's actually good and he sometimes does animations
>>77693335
Aww...
How'd you find this out?
>>77693413
his website
evidently he still has access to a computer to update that, at least
Unrelated comic.
I trying to do something different in my life.
>>77693807
Well, there are no English issues this time!
I'm finally able to give this some time. I just need to add some final touches and text, and I'll be done with this damn page.
I need to make new ones because I'm running on fumes here.
>>77694084
depending on what 'Finehess' means
>>77694556
Damn it, I make the "n" look like a "h".
I can fix it.
>>77694585
"Finehess" kinda sounds like something the blonde bum guy (sorry, can't remember his name right now) would say.
>>77694556
>>77694585
I have really awful handwriting and my "n's" look like "h's" all the time so I didn't even notice that.
>>77694658
It happens
but what is fineness supposed to mean? is it just the brand name
>>77691992
yeah, i'm not too good at doing things on my own time, kek. that illustration was from another concept story i had for that character, actually!
>>77696323
What's holding you back?
>>77696358
day job, second job, relationship...actually no, i'm not going to rationalize being lazy with any of those. i'm just plain not good at managing my own time. its still a goal of mine to get a comic done, though.
>>77696453
well shit dude, for the sake of all of us lonely virgins, put the relationship first
>>77696589
I didn't and I sure paid the price.
>>77696323
This looks really nice. A little bit of work on the pose to remove some stiffness and you're more than good to go.
I only have three days of school left, so now I can finish this comic... in the meantime have some lithograph + watercolor.
>>77697358
googly eyed trees are adorable
what is going on here and why do i want to see it through so badly
bamp
bomp
>>77700960
nicely done dude
and the tiny sliver of spacenerd in me appreciates the need to change trajectory being the key factor. too often it's like ohnoes we're running low on fuel or need to maintain our speed and it's like.. in space you don't need fuel to maintain your speed...
also here's the Rizon chat that I frequent a lot. Some other curators stop by every now and then but it's been pretty dead lately.
https://discordapp.com/channels/111912780377985024/111912780377985024
>>77700960
hate to rag on art, but the ships left wing is almost running a tangent in the third panel, might wanna' watch that
>>77701386
>hate to rag on art
Why?
Fucking captcha I fucking hate you fucking piece--- ahem... anyway...
>>77694264
Looks good but I don't like that thick outline for some of the characters in the top panels.
>>77696323
>>77696453
Girls with guns are always a great thing. Although I have no idea what this story is about.
>>77697302
>>77697358
Looks pretty surreal. Interesting.
>>77700960
I don't know if a 4-panel structure is good for something like this. You'd want more flexibility and there's a lot of (pun not intended) empty space.
Another update, another change in ads.
a section of a WIP page! finally getting into the action of the arc.
>>77701862
oh dang
hey wait a minute, you sketch with lines but your final product lacks them?
>>77701921
you caught me
>>77701958
well i'm just saying, THIS.. this looks a lot more engaging and interesting.. i almost didn't recognize it.
in any case you clearly have some talent so i'm keeping an eye on you.
hey spoondoggles my brains is broken again, can someone give me a couple examples of like, little magic charms that some helpful low-level magical being might do? like particularly helpful ones. i'm drawing an utter blank. Usually when I think of magic it's in terms of attacks, and usually I don't dally in the 'little elf dealy that lives in your house and maybe helps out or maybe plays pranks depending how you treat it' area of mythology
>>77702002
ah dang, does it really look that much better with lines? i might end up switching over in that case.
>>77702046
What like cantrips and little levitation spells? Divining paths and invisibility?
>>77702175
well let someone else chime in too. post your finished product for comparison. ain nobody should be taking advice from just-me
>>77702185
>Cantrip
so that's what that means. yes!
First page of chapter 14! and already shit is going down!
I've never posted in one of these but here it goes
>in 1943 a chicano older sister/younger brother duo hitch hike from El Paso to San Diego to see their estranged older brother on leave. Along the way they team up with a sarcastic clearly student, an escaped concubine who pushes older sister's buttons, and an autistic man-child who speaks in third person and thinks he's from another planet. It has elements of southwestern psychedelia but also has very down to earth moment that are few and far between.
>A type A schoolgirl wants to become a superheroine in her upper middle class jersey suburb, so she enlist the help of Checkers, an AI free to move to whatever part of the Internet he pleases but takes no physical form. Think Barbra Gordon meets Freakazoid on Omegle.
I have stories planed for both of them but I need to work on my art. I appreciate any feedback.
>>77702355
Whoops, forgot page.
>>77702380
I have to say the lineart looks a little cleaner and less messy so congrats on that.
>>77702376
*clergy student
>>77702376
i had my eyebrows on standby til you mentioned the surrealism. this sounds good
man now i'm really missing Listening to 11.975mhz that comic was great
>>77702380
oh damn and a half. it's never good when houses explode.
i still think frontview annabeth nose makes more sense as <= than [= but it's your call
also holy shit dem teefs
>>77701601
thanks! i wrote a short synopsis in a previous post, but here's the gist of it:
>eight years have passed since the global war. monarchies have fallen, and petty politics are now re-shaping the world.
>military vets kelly mullens and joseph lane have found a place in this new, rapidly-modernizing world as intelligence agents, working to find relevancy as soldiers once again through close protection, red teams shenanigans, and other high-speed, low drag hijinx.
it's supposed to take place in a fictionalized ace combat strangereal/final fantasy tactics ivalice kind of setting, hence weird terms like the "global war" and such.
>>77696912
thanks. these were drawn some time ago but i will definitely do my best to make her "move" better.
>>77702661
I would have kept it like that, but I just couldn't get it right other than the 3/4 view.
Also, I think the [= makes Annabeth look more obnoxious, which is what I'm going for, and a little bit less cute.
Also, yeah, annabeth doesn't have many teefs.
>>77702807
true, it's def obnox.
well i was talking about the.. extra teeth going back. or are those supposed to just be in the back of the mouth like molars? because now I kinda see that, but for a second it looked like a shark's mouth or even a leech's
>>77702872
Yeah, the inside of annabeth's mouth is what you getting a nice look at. All of those teeth aren't in the front.
>>77702911
yeah but i somehow thought they were directly behind the main teeth, in rows, or almost lining the throat, not molar styles. I guess missing teeth will do that, sort of screws up seeing the jaw shape. Well anyway that works
also dammit I have a soft spot for Annabeth weirding out. That's the best kind of physical comedy.
I need to see that VIDEOGAAAAMES page again
Do you guys draw your comics on an specific size or format?
>>77702978
huh, i never noticed the.. math on those before.. that makes them weirdly fit together in different configurations but still be reassemblable for different print formats. though i guess i'm more used to the non-sunday strips
yeah I do two columns, with as many rows as I end up needing. Usually between three and five. My canvas is set up to comfortably handle about seven rows before I need to enlarge it. thank god for digitalness
originally I just went with 2x2. I've heard a lot of authors espouse it as the best most efficient way to do a gag strip, because it's compact and works vertically or horizontally.
generally though in this day and age you want to stick with vertical scrolling
and always feel free to break your format if need be. my columns never line up exactly, i don't want them to. I let one panel borrow from another all it needs. Only my OCD that still sees negative space as 'wasted' keeps me from not just doing a long vertical series of panels of various sizes and shapes with tons of space in between
>>77702978
Consistency helps the reader become immersed in the story. You can mix it up and do gimmicky stuff but imo that's a tad overdone.
Alright finished this page!
>>77702974
Yeah, Annabeth is almost never happy, and when Annabeth is actually happy, he just doesn't know how to handle it and just weirds out.
How can I prevent tumblr from accessing my webcomic? It is not written in English, yet somehow a tumbrlina finds my comic to message me about "groundbreaking" designs I have drawn (her words, not mine). She wants to know if she can translate my comic because I have stated previously that I will not. Is it appropriate to say deny her? I am fine with having a minimal amount of readers. I would rather have small readers than tumblr. My English is not the best, but even I can see the crazies on that website.
>>77705116
Show your work.
>>77705116
Yes, I agree: >>77705140
Could you people quit bein so fucking mysterious all the time. It's driving us crazy.
>>77705201
>>77705140
>on an anonymous image board
>complaining about people being anonymous
>>77705257
Then fuck off with your bullshit.
>>77705116
Tell her she can do it unofficially, but that you won't recognize it or that she can't expect any sort of money or favors from it. Because the way you describe her sounds like she could be changing stuff and just generate drama. Let her build more of an audience for you but have the distance so if she fucks up you can be like "well it's her translation, i have no input."
>>77705116
You sound like a faggot.
Here's my webcomic, it's just sketched so far. The heroine is the great grand daughter of Heinrich Himmler, and it takes place at a private school in Germany.
Here's the full version: http://sta.sh/2z1c6ttt60w
>>77705116
I WANT tumblr to read my stuff.
>>77702978
Tend to go for the typical comic page look. Makes it easier to print, if I want to sell it sometime, and can generally be converted into most webcomic site formats relatively easy.
>>77706203
Do you have a tumblr?
>>77706230
I have several but always fail to get any followings, or hate there. I've got almost 10k subscribers on Tapastic, though,
>>77704241
What is "GRU,BLE"?
>>77705116
Please post or link, would love to see it!
>>77704241
I want Annabeth to be a grill.
>>77706203
>http://sta.sh/2z1c6ttt60w
It looks pretty good. The heroine is cute, but make sure her finished look is also memorable. The name "Urban Tales" is fucking terrible, though. It's bland, forgettable, and tells you nothing about the comic. It sounds like something about gangs, rap music and black people. Work on that. A lot of manga these days use statements or phrases as titles (She is a T-Rex, Sakamoto desu ga?, My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute etc). Maybe a title like that? Something like "My Girlfriend's Grandfather is Himmler?!" It immediately tells readers your comic's unique plot point, and will stick in their mind. Or, if in doubt, maybe just name the comic after your main character.
>>77706855
The issue is I intend the series to be about all sorts of random stuff that happens in an Urban environment, from an inter city private school, to a bunch of hackers living at an abandoned train station. Urban Tales is the only title that was vague enough to go under all of them.
>>77706873
Then I suggest changing the title to [name of the city] Tales. It's not a flashy name, but it's better than the super-generic "Urban Tales". Plus according to Google there's already a comic with that name.
Finally managed to get a colour scheme going for this character.
Mee wantie... Comix.
>>77707610
>Comix
>only one "x"
Can't help you there, mane.
>>77707644
Gggwwworst!
