So let me get this straight.
Time travel works like literal loops or circles, things with no beginning and no end.
This motherfucker only got his powers because the trolls meddled with the human's session, and in particular with jade's sprite. They only did that because jack came into their session and ruined it with his powers. The powers he got from the trolls etc
Am i getting this right?
>>77488581
Yes. Time travel in Homestuck works in totally stable paradoxes.
Even when Hussie wrote in a get-out-of-jail-free card and gave a character the power to ignore the stable time loops it turned out to form another, even bigger stable time loop.
>>77488670
#hussieisahack2015
>>77488581
HEY
WHAT KINDA TIMELINE YOU WANT?
>>77488746
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP CUZ
Honestly I love how timetravel works in Homestuck. It worked the same way in Interstellar i think.
Also I haven't read homestuck in a few years, is it worth picking up again? After the second generation of trolls were introduced I gave up on it.
>>77489556
Still as good as it ever was.
The only thing is the whole stop and go format from hussie losing all that money (and his dad dying) killed alot of the hype, even though the comic itself is still amazing.
AlsoNepeta still best girl
>>77489643
aight, now I just have to find where I left off.
fuck
>>77489556
Well they didn't amount to much except series 2.0 who got everyone except roxy killed. Then John took her and his planet with all the sprites and roses body to the void and saved vriskas by punching her. In the new time line Dave is gay and everyone does what vriskas says. Also rose isn't a drunk. And sprite^2s. In the new session instead of tavris you have gcatavros and fefeta is replaced by the pre retcon rose which then fused with pre retcon jasper making jasprose. Instead of erisol you got nepetasprite which fused with davesprite. Arquiu was made again.
>>77489556
Don't listen to >>77489643 , he's wrong and he smells bad. Nepeta is dead; a monster was borne from her corpse and took flight. The plot drags on, and the spotlight shines on characters whose arcs will never be resolved, instead of the characters that actually do something.
Though the time travel aspects used to be the best part of Homestuck, but Dave doesn't do that anymore. Instead John got Time powers of his own, and Vriska ganked his role in the session.
>Hussie's former Music guy is more popular than him
>Undertale fandom is even bigger than HS
>Nobody cares about Homestuck anymore
How long until Hussie cancels homestuck and kills himself?
>>77489556
Everything you like about it is gone and has been replaced with a shambling corpse of a comic that Hussie is trying to stay relevant. The game might be decent but it definitely won't approach the levels Undertale did.
>>77490056
Undertale might be the newest big thing on the internet and the fandom is every bit as bad, but don't act like it's anywhere close to Homestuck's in terms of scale.
>>77490056
Undertale was a complete story you could digest in a couple of hours, it's actually achievable for a person with social and professional obligations to make it through Undertale and appreciate it.
Like, Homestuck might well be VERY good, but I don't fault anyone for not being able to stick with it. Something THAT long is almost too much to bother with. The only reason I'm able to keep up with One Piece is because I started it in middle school.
>>77490100
>Rose and Vriska
>not chests flat as a board
>>77490100
Post his other paetron things.
>>77490330
Most of them are already out for free though?
Fuck you i still like it.
I think the quality itself is still the same but the stagnation brought on by the red light green light thing he has going on is kinda souring people on it. Reading it as one solid thing it still looks fine.
>>77490100
>the game might be decent
No.
>>77490125
I don't know how someone could read through all of Homestuck at this point unless they started it a long while ago. It's so long.
I read the 8bit theater archives a few years back during a long trip and that felt like a long read. At this point I can only imagine Homestuck taking even longer.
>>77490427
Yeah though? Adventure game with paper mario style RPG battles sounds pretty good to me. Go meme somewhere else.
>>77490442
I think at this point the main reason people expect it to suck isn't the concept. It's just that after what happened to the budget they might not have the resources to make a good game. And who knows how long it's going to take them.
>>77490475
We don't know how much of the budget was annihilated though.
>>77490475
Undertale was made with $5000, and look how well it came out.
>>77490694
I think at this point Hussie is just determined to drive everyone but John's character into the ground.
>>77488581
I will point out that all this bullshit with stable time loops works the way it does because Skaia (or fate/destine/whatever) makes it work that way. There is something that determines with the alpha timeline "should" be, and any deviation from that (such as breaking a time loop) just results in a doomed timeline. So really it's fate that trumps everything.Which is why the main villain of the story is the guy for whom fate will bend over backwards, and ensure that space and time work towards his continued existence. If the Beforus Trolls hadn't failed and scratched their session, or if the Alternia Trolls hadn't meddled with the Humans' session, or if Alpha Jake hadn't sent the weapons to Beta Jade, or if any of the Beta Kids hadn't passed along the bunny, or if Jack hadn't ended up with Liv Tyler and killed the queen, or if Jack hadn't proved too powerful of a foe for the kids to deal with, or if John hadn't retrieved the Tumor from the battlefield, or if Rose hadn't listened to Doc Scratch and taken the tumor to blow up the source of Jack's power, there would be no Green Sun. Presumably, with no Green Sun, there is no Lord English.
>>77490694
That's a pretty stacked 13 year old
>>77490905
>that picture
Remember poor taste bad jokes Lord English? That was a good one.
>>77490906
Jane's genes do wonders.
>>77490905
>baiting me with lore discussion to post in a HS thread
Damn you.
Anyway, fate is its own thing. Skaia doesn't "do" anything, per se. It merely knows. Of course it influences people to act according to the visions they see in the clouds, but it's no different from the Prospitians and the Consorts writing down their knowledge of the prophecies onto books or whatever method of information preservation they use, then leaving it around for the players to stumble upon.
Fate, destiny; they're all just things that happen. It's like how a person doesn't choose how they're born or what they'll grow up to be like. Kinda. The players, being pretty much "gods-in-the-making", have a big say on how fate plays out. More than most, anyway. It's a bit of how Caliborn does his thing; he wants something, and fate contrives itself to do what he wants. The "preparations" he makes are just a formality for causality. The unconscious will of the characters are what directs fate, and the ones who have the greatest ability to direct it (and not necessarily the strength to make the change) are those who have access to time travel or to the Mind aspect.
Still some amazing porn.
>>77491248
But was it really worth tentabulges
>>77491215
sup BKEW
something you're forgetting about this: Caliborn is the "Lord of Time", whose power is to be "already here"; that is to say, he has completely inordinate control over casuality, and what he says will be what happens
that's exactly what we're seeing right now with the developments from the current act paralleling what he foreshadowed in a6a6a3
casuality is caliborn's ability to tell stories, essentially.
>>77491215
None of that is remotely true. At what point does anyone have any control over what timeline is the alpha timeline? Any deviation from the alpha timeline results in a doomed timeline; therefore nobody can deviate from what is "supposed" to happen, else they stop being alpha and are doomed. This was Aranea's entire motivation and it's why she had no chance for success. She was trying to "heal" the timeline by changing the alpha timline to be something else, and all that happened was everyone got killed. Only John (or someone else with the 'recon' power; presumably Lord English) can change the alpha timeline.
>>77491313
Tentabulges are honestly the worst creation in existence.
>>77491327
>casuality is caliborn's ability to tell stories
>caliborn's storytelling is shitty
>homestuck is shitty
Holy shit this explains so much
>Homestuck is still dead for the next 5 months
>Even when 4/13 rolls around it probably won't be the end of Homestuck
>Another hiatus and news post with Hussie going "HAHA SORRY wow game dev stuff and comic stuff is hard!!! See you in a year"
I just want closure
>>77491397
But Aranea helped Vriska.
She killed all of her friends, so she won't be lonely in the dreambubbles. And even revived her in another timeline, so that she can bully herself!
>>77491409
Aye, they've ruined many a good fic. I don't want to shit on anybody's fetish, but they've gotten to prevalent that people don't seem to even bother to use a xeno or tentabulge tag anymore. Tentabulges are kind of the assumed default. It's like... some kind of forced headcanon. I need an adult.
>>77491313
Yes.
Don't get me wrong they're shit, but the good stuff makes up for it.
>>77491474
It's a shitty fetish. Xenophilia means nothing when the genital is question is always just a lazy as hell tentacle. It's more them trying to be special snowflakes with their shitty tumblr genitalia because they're afraid of penises.
>>77491491
It's become so saturated. you look at the latest porn and it's
>tentabulge
>tentabulge
>tentabulge
>Some shitty davekat
>jade/roxy with a dick
>tentabulge
>tentabulge
>>77488581
So if time travel in Homestuck is sort of like a teleport between two places in time instead of space, could theoretically a time traveler jump between timelines by going back in time, waiting until a critical event changes the future, then jumping forward in time?
Say presume that Dave wanted to go get Davesprite's sacrificial slab. If he time traveled back to before Davesprite came back and wrote John's birthday note, then jumped forward in time to about the time John blasted off, wouldn't his destination point only take into account the world history that lead up to that point and take him to Davesprite's timeline instead?
>>77491327
Uh, I'm not BKEW. What did he say?
>something you're forgetting about this: Caliborn is the "Lord of Time", whose power is to be "already here"; that is to say, he has completely inordinate control over casuality, and what he says will be what happens
No, I'm saying that everyone has got that. It's just that Caliborn is better at it. We've seen his mental processes at first hand, how he speaks that his role as the Lord of Time is to be at ease with how fate will bend itself over backwards for him to dryhump it. Remember how Terezi was going over a crisis on her decision to kill Vriska? On whether she had just narrowed down all the possible decisions to what was available there, or if she had simply not seen any other choices, or if all choices were possible and that she felt that their decisions are pointless if only one of their choices could be chosen as part of the main timeline? Caliborn is unhinged and untroubled with matters like this, so he cannot be limited by hesitation or doubt like other characters. Like that, when he chooses for something to happen, he doesn't hinder himself at all or set himself up for failure. He meticulously arranges the details of what he wants to happen.
However, this is not the only thing that helps him in controlling fate.
Take Vriska's luck stealing. Luck, in this story, is just another way to refer to fate. Caliborn has that with him at all times, but does it in a different way (he decides how something goes, and then he "makes" it happen afterward). Luck is just another way for him to manipulate events without needing to personally act. And what is "lucky" is determined by what he wants to happen. Same with Vriska.
>>77491397
That's what I'm referring to when I'm talking about "strength". Doc Scratch prides himself over his minimalist approach towards manipulating events, but that's backed up by his total omnipotence (with blind spots so as to direct his own actions, that he may react or fail to react and allow the timeline to proceed as planned). He essentially has the same ability as Terezi, but on a much grander scale.
Since I'm here anyway,
http://archiveofourown.org/works/5120531
It made me laugh.
Karkat and Vriska ruined Homestuck
>muh relationship feels
>muh controversial character arc
Prove me wrong
>>77491957
Karkat was fine with the relationship stuff, Hussie just felt he had to keep recycling it and prolonging it over and over again.
Do you want him to win?
LE probabily looks dissastifying because its Becs inverted arc; Jack gets he bunny, the ring and guardian powers by luck(=Vriska) , and the kids have to level their gear/prepare the new universe/find a way to stop him in a short period of time. Then in the new arc Caliborn is the one actually doing more effort than the kids (even if onscreen) while they get used in Condy shenanigans only to get saved by... Vriska. Ha.
There is Union Jack in the new session but we know its not even the final challenge (some characters die at most) and spidertroll facilitated it, something that only works once
Also someone should tell pic related to the "ex" music team.
>>77492096
What the fuck, Nepeta?
>>77491957
>>77492096
>>77492247
i'm always really weirded out as to how prominent katnep shippers/people who hate karkat and vriska are in these threads
>>77492247
That keky bitch.
>>77492285
Nepeta is almost entirely a noncharacter though
>>77490056
>Please, let me in, Toby
>>77492157
Oh is that artist doing lewds again? Their old porn blog was a great way to find non-dogcock Jade stuff
>>77492247
Early in the Trolls' introductions, Vriska would kind of aggressively flirt with Karkat, who would sort of aggressively tell her to fuck off, which resulted in more aggressive flirting. If it were written now it'd be called Blackrom, but it was written before all that shit was fleshed out. Remember that the entire Troll romance thing was made up as Hussie went.
Anyway, it kind of made sense at the time.
>>77491554
>jade/roxy with a dick
I have seen I think... two fics that meet this description, one of which was really short, and the other was more about Roxy discovering void powers than it is about sex. If you have more, I'd love for you to share them.
The shitty davekat is goddamn rampant though.
>>77492397
It's funny too because it's a minority that likes it. vast majority fucking hated that development, even MSPAF and all their Hussie dicksucking thought it was the dumbest thing.
the problem with homestuck currently isn't the quality, it's how little anything even interesting happens.
if he really does post the ending this time, it's hard to see how it won't be anticlimactic.
>>77492247
>Cancer + Scorpio
astrology meme ship
move on, anon
>>77492421
What do Dave and Karkat actually have in common? Like as far as mutual interests. I mean, their connection was mostly being knights that fucked Terezi.
>>77493185
Karkat had more in common with John, both shitty programmers who were into movies.
>>77493185
>being associated with the color red
>Dave being an alpha chad and taking care of the woobie manlet Karkat
>forced tumblr meme that all manlets should just be gay
>>77493340
Dave's not even an alpha chad though. He's awkward like Karkat, but even that that's not really something in common because both of them approach it differently. it's like hussie stuck them together because they were chummy previously and he needed some reason to pair the spares?
>>77493259
And Dave had more common interests shared with jade.
T.B.H (to be honest) should I try to read Homestuck or just masturbate to it's porn.
>>77493440
Reading it enhances your understanding of the porn, even when you're ultimately disappointed that Hussie will ruin whatever waifu you pick by the end of the comic.
But still, in the long run Hussie knows how to write girls that are really god damn fuckable.
>>77493440
Wait until it finishes next year.
>>77493528
In terms of the cast, there's a girl that fits everyone's fetish out there.
>>77493340
>Being associated with red is a common interest
>>77493440
The porn might be better if you know all the characters tbqh
>>77495213
In homestuck, that's the logic they use
>>77493372
That's the problem with Homestuck being so long. Half of these characters felt like their arcs should have concluded years ago but since it kept going, they had to have new issues introduced.
>>77495213
Not only the color but lava and the knight theme. Like other anon said color theory is an important aspect of the comic.
>>77496089
> their arcs should have concluded years ago
They are human beings, they don't have arcs :^)
>>77496225
They are not human beings, they are characters in a comic.
>>77495509
why
>>77492247
Nepeta has good taste in ships, to be honest family.
>>77488670
>Even when Hussie wrote in a get-out-of-jail-free card and gave a character the power to ignore the stable time loops
you mean LE?
>>77496584
He means John. LE's entire powerset is "stable time loops OR ELSE".
>>77493528
I'm not sure it's just the writing that makes them god damn fuckable.
>>77496611
Well it's not like they have any real physical traits in the comic.
>>77496599
Yeah but that didn't form any stable time loops. John literally brought back shit from a doomed timeline, which should have doomed it. Roxy and John are outsiders/non-caused in that universe.
>>77495509
That's... who did this?
>>77496246
>going the whole broken teenage god angle would of been much more interesting
I think there's still some elements of that in the family reunion stuff and the stuff with Jade.
And really, why do people keep thinking that "we don't have arcs" comment is the definite end statement on that when it's not really presented as a good thing, and frankly, contrary to >>77496089 I don't believe that any of the characters' core issues have been fully resolved yet.
>>77490475
What the fuck happened to the budget?
>>77496766
Short version is that they hired a company, and then those guys fucked around and did nothing for a while, and it's alleged they siphoned the cash into another project they were working on at the same time that actually amounted to something. Hussie had to call it quits with them, handle the legal nightmare, and then set up his own rinky dink game company so that he can actually ensure the remaining cash is used for the intended purpose.
>>77496766
>>77496794
Long version.
>>77496794
Why it fell like I have heard this before? How many times has this already happened with kickstarters?
>>77496818
Unsurprisingly, the people with the ability to make a product that'll get a lot of funding on Kickstarter aren't necessarily the best people to be in charge of handling a lot of money. It's like if a major corporation put the Marketing department in charge of the budget for the whole company, except these people are also usually amateurs.
>>77496872
The starry-eyed young artist with a fat stack of cash and a dream being crushed and strip-mined by a company has been happening since the dawn of time. You hear about the bad business and scummy companies involved in crowdfunding because they literally have a crowd of fans signal boosting the issue.
>>77490905
>I will point out that all this bullshit with stable time loops works the way it does because Skaia (or fate/destine/whatever) makes it work that way. There is something that determines with the alpha timeline "should" be, and any deviation from that (such as breaking a time loop) just results in a doomed timeline. So really it's fate that trumps everything.
Or, maybe not.
http://tempsend.com/2231EC948C
www.scottaaronson.com/papers/ctc.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1201.4870v1
arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0209061
http://tempsend.com/2B00F8751C
I pre-commit to sending my latter-to-be past-self a message specifying where to find the buried gold at a pre-specified future date. If the instructions I receive at that time are correct after verification. I will back-propagate the message to my past-self. I will also set measures in place to deter any attempts made by my future-self at dicking me or otherwise failing to fulfil establishing a stable causal loop that resolves in a way I desire. And then something inexplicable happens anyway because, reasons. It really depends on the cosmology's causality structure.
>>77497050
The gold found is then part of a heist involving a chained series of time-loops, and then you're caught in a really bad film.
>>77497050
I always tought this way but didnt have a study to base on. Also if any object in the comic was sent back to become his previous self thatd be a incorrect time loop, Cal had to be (re)materialized with gamzee majyyks and not just retrieved from the void for example.
>>77496686
They use John's power to fight LE, which is what creates him to start with, and the kids from the retcon timeline are inside the treasure making the powers that gave the ability to John in the first place.
John's new reality has been factored into the time loops ever since Lil Cal existed.
>>77488581
I just remembered that there's been a few MSPAF threads from Tenebrais a couple years back that explains the time travel mechanics:
http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?37997-Mathematics-and-Metaphysics-and-MSPA
http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?50164-Metaphysics-and-Many-Worlds-and-MSPA-Once-More-Unto-The-Breach
>>77497348
Only send back information. Back-propagation with objections only works if alternative histories are involved, at which point there would only be a partial chance of receiving it. If I sent a bomb back into the past, 20 minutes ago, but set the bomb to explode in 22 minutes. There might be a chance I might not die but an alternative history or 'timeline' might be in for a bad surprise. If you tried this trick to send an undetonated concussion grenade, you might end up with either two of them or none of them. One timeline will be deprived since branching timelines don't need stable causal loops. There are a few tricks that can be exploited with stretching this concept further and there is a Terminator fanfic that really makes better use of it.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9658524/1/Branches-on-the-Tree-of-Time
>>77497050
tl;dr
I'm not arguing about how real world causality works and I'm hardly qualified to talk about quantum mechanics. I'm arguing about how fate is stated to work in the comic.
>when ur healers are Karkat and Vriska, while Feferi can't heal the whole team
>>77497519
>Sagittarius
>represented with a bow
>symbol is an arrow
>litteraly mean archer in latin
>melee DPS
>>77497519
Discussing horoscope outside /trash/ should be a bannable offense
>>77497559
Constellations are stars, not mundane objects. (Here is your reply)
>>77491579
there is an 'alphja' timeline, and everything is is doomed timelines
you can travel back from doomed timelines far enough before the event that doomed it (usually something which broke a time loop) but you can only travel forward on the timeline you are on
So if you are on a doomed timeline, you can go back till you reach the alpha and then go forward, but you can't travel forward to reach a doomed timeline
you 'could' go back, make sure a certain timeline-dooming event happened, go forward, get what you wanted, go back till you reached the alpha, then go forward again, but in the process you would retroactively become doomed yourself and be fated to die one way or the other
FUCK VRISKA
FUCK KARKAT
FUCK THE HUMANS
FUCK HOMESTUCK
>>77496225
>>77496089
Hussie is really trying for one of the most meta works he can create out there. Yeah theres the whole league of inside jokes but also how the classpects determine what sort of role they're going to play. He tries to drive the point home by doing the real life thing where most people struggle with the same problems their whole life but with mixed results since this is a comic at the end of the day.
quick question
prospit players get to see the future in the clouds
is there anything derse players get?
not sure of jack and his gag counts
>>77498799
Horroterrors
>>77498799
Terezi's fat ass.
>>77498872
>not Roxys breeding waist
Why don't you move to /trash/ since theres not much to discuss?
>>77498980
Because I want to discuss about the comic and not shitty fucking inside culture?
What's the point for Terezi remembering her relationship with Vriska? So, she can become the perfect doormat for her?
>but she remembered the doomed timeline
Where is the proof of that?
>>77499126
You can plainly see that's what her powers are showing her. More accurately, she's reaching into the mind of her doomed-self. The reason she's doing this is because killing Vriska was a moment of triumph for her. The moment she gained true mastery over her powers and her fate.
Remembering that shit will make her stronger.
>>77491515
To be fair, penises are pretty spooky.
>>77498799
Horrorterrors talk to them. While Skaia only shows you pictures with no context, and said pictures could be past present or future (or even other fucking timelines) the Horrorterrors are much more direct, for better or worse.
>>77498872
Terezi was Prospit
>>77496611
>>77496710
When did silhouettes become so sexy?
>Kanaya
>hey let's make the most boring as fuck character who has her love arc completed in Act 5.2, then gets the matriorb in Act 6.5 or something
>she is also a vampire and wields a chainsaw, because I don't know what interesting character trait I can put on her
>get it, because virgos are boring
Fuck you, Hussie.
>>77497758
But if your existence is from the alpha and you ensure that there's a future you, would you still be doomed if you integrated yourself into a branch timeline without causing it? Say baseball tee Dave was still fated to fight Jack in the future, but followed past Dave and entered Davesprite's timeline to captcha Calsprite, then return back. Since he's not a native denizen of that timeline and has a destiny elsewhere, would he still be doomed?
>>77493440
In retrospect, the porn is better than the time I wasted on the series.
But then again, Vriska and Jane...
>>77500081
>not Aranea
>tfw no hilarious adventures with Sollux, Terezi and Eridan
Will Karkat ever do something cool?
>yfw Toby's association with Hiveswap makes it a hit
>>77501193
Will Vriska ever learn to not be a 8itch?
Holy shit guys
>Troll society was fucked by bloodcaste (Blood: Karkat) and the Sun (Light: Vriska)
>both are the cancer that killed Trollkind and Homestuck
>>77502367
I don't understand the meme of Karkat ruining Homestuck when he's literally done nothing.
>>77502651
He's literally the most Cancerous character.
Karkat and Vriska aren't that bad desu senpai
>>77502651
>literally done nothing
>befriends a fucking murderer who killed two of his friends
>instead of joining Meenah's ghost army, he actually believes he is Terezi's most precious person and that she needs him (I fucking hope GO!Karkat gets kicked in the balls by GO!Terezi.)
So when a timeline is doomed what happens to the people inside it? Can they still go around and do things and live their lives or do they just randomly stop existing one day just cause.
>>77506967
They'll continue on their daily lives, but they'll suffer increasingly unlucky scenarios that will often result in their deaths. This goes on until the moment a time traveler goes back in time and averts the timeline from ever happening. This causes a relatively normal erasure of that future, which in effect kills the remaining occupants permanently, and their souls depart for the afterlife. Memories and experiences can be passed down via dreamselves merging, if the survivors choose to do this.
Theoretically, what if John used his retcon powers to stop himself from playing Sburb? What do you think would happen?
>>77507748
Meteors from all the other B1 Sburb reckonings would still rain down anyway, but future John would continue to exist despite his past having been erased.
>>77497518
>tl;dr
It's sad that Anon went and uploaded some of those PDFs because they were behind pay walls.
>>77497050tl;dr
>>77490431
My friend recommended me this comic, or rather, he won't shut up about. So i decided to read it, after 300 pages nothing had happened, i'm not sure if the plot has begun yet.
Then i realized there were 17 000 pages and going and figured i would never be able to read it.
How much is considered filler? Excluding important key scenes (given that there are some).
>>77499958
Kanya is one of the only interesting lowblood trolls (besides Karkat). You just cannot into subtly. Characters can be interesting without being sociopaths or horse fetishist or /r9k/-level psychopaths.
Kanaya's not boring and she scores consistently as one of my favorite characters.
>>77511307
The early parts are kind of like a litmus test for your patience, if you cannot get past the first 3 acts Homestuck isn't really for you. Everything from there is pretty solid.
There's no filler until around the 6th act, that's when the pacing crawls to a halt and you'll just have go grin and grind through it.
And there are only about half the number of pages you mentioned.
>>77493577
If they start reading now they'll finish by the time it starts updup again
>>77511616
If it takes a month or two to get through the comic, sure. I managed to reread the whole thing in around two weeks, and I have heard of others getting through it quicker than that.
>>77511751
How much of your time was devoted to reading it? I could see it easily taking months to read if someone had a lot of other obligations
>>77501032
He has his own flash, at least.
>>77511818
Yeah, I missed a "for you" in the first sentence, of course depending on how much other stuff someone has and how time-consuming it is it would take longer to read it all. I reread it all in almost one go during a school break so I had much of the free time possible for me.
>>77512303
>Yeah, I missed a "for you" in the first sentence
>>77512594
"If it takes a month or two for you"
>>77498334
>>77513592
why is jade chocolate
>>77513641
for that sweet, sweet, interracial puppy-making
>>77513659
it's more acceptable than when Dave or Rose are
>>77513695
Dave and Rose are pasty white trash, Jade at least has an island excuse
>>77513659
Technically they're all the same race of ecto-goo.
>>77513723
you don't get that tan just from being in a tropical island
>still making homestuck threads on /co/ when hsg is in /trash/
>>77513774
So fuck off back there then.
>>77513774
>imptyilng /hsg/ and /hst/ are the same
>>77513846
>>77513852
you two know where you belong and you can't stay here forever.
Is anyone going to care about homestuck by the time it actually updates again?
>>77497366
I'm holding out that it turns out there is a "pre-retcon" LE that is the one fucking shit up and the Caliborn we've been following will turn out different. It would explain a few (extremely minor) plotholes, but it would also require Hussie not being a hack.
>>77513770
Jade's skin is sensitive
>>77513885
That's the only time people are GOING to care about Homestuck. It was a common saying during the giga pause that we're all Homestuck critics until it updates, than we love it again.
>>77513885
The gigapause already killed so much interest in the comic, I can't imagine. Did Hussie really not realize that all of this would get rid of any interest in the comic
>>77513939
Yeah, up until recently. God I hope whatever ass Hussie was up he'll have left it for the next sections.
>>77513945
The gigapause ended, and when it did people flocked back to the comic. It killed the momentum of the flavor-of-the-month tumblr fanbase that snowballed out of control, but it still has plenty of actual fans.
>>77513882I started reading a few weeks before Caliborn's masterpieceI've never been on /hsg/ and clearly don't belong there
>>77513882
>Wanting a tripfag-infested cancerous shithole to come back
Go play in traffic.
>>77514197
it is back, anon.
they're underneath the floorboards.
>>77514221
>floorboards
>>77497009
pls no. pls no
>>77514420
What? What is it?
>>77511751
When I first got into Homestuck I marathoned it in four and a half days without sleep, but that was back during the cascade hiatus.
I honestly just checked it out because I wanted to see how long I could force myself to stay awake and needed something to do. I can't help but wonder if I would have had such a good first impression if I wasn't deliriously sleep deprived by the time I got to Act 5
>>77514478
Miraculous Ladybug-stuck
>>77514724
I don't know what that is
>>77497490
now that I think about it there's probably a Sburb game out there in the void that ruined because the time player was a real dick and everytime an iteration found himself in a doomed timeline he just sent bombs back to the alpha until he ceased to exist
>>77500025
Yes.
As far as I can tell, being doomed is sort of like a status bar that fills up. Beyond a certain threshold you are doomed, but that's just the baseline and some things are more doomed than others. Things that still have timeloops to close are less doomed than things that don't.
At the same time, since sprites are thematically ghost guide/guardians, they count as having died when they get sprited, and the doomed bar resets back to zero, which is why Davesprite didn't die.
>>77514760
Miraculous Ladybug is a french superhero cartoon about teens that transform into their heroic personas via an animal spirit thing. Most people just watch it for the catboy twink running around in skintight latex
>>77513904
That may be possible, though what plotholes are you referring to specifically?
>>77513904
If Lord English is Caliborn with retcon powers, and the comic as we originally knew it is what the timeline is like with him influencing it, then wouldn't there be a "pre-pre-retcon" timeline?
>that glorious moment when Vriska throws a tantrum
>>77515508
>8V8RY88DY P8Y 8TT8NT8ON T8 M8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888!!!!!!!!
I haven't read this comic in years. Lived the dream with everyone here back in 2010/2011. comic went to shit, I bailed early. I still check up on the latest a few times a year by these threads. Already been 4 years, wow. Sad. Anyways, I check up because I want to be around when the finale happens, because I want to see what the ending is, and if it's what he planned seven/eight years ago still, or what remains of it.
I mean, he let a 1 year project that could have been a nice neat little heartfelt thing, like a more colorful Problem Sleuth, his own Undertale, balloon to two years, which was ok, then three which should have been the hard finale, and then it just... got lost in space. Then the game's terrible timing and disaster. God. He coulda have been on like, his 5th 1-year project by now. Some other flashy visually inspiring experimental classic.
I mourn this dude's loss, and miss stuff like AIDS and Neon Ice Cream Headache and Problem Sleuth and just... all the weird life his work had.
>>77515352
Caliborn doesn't have retcon powers; multiple characters have stated, including Caliborn himself, that his half of the ultimate weapon is the ultimate power of Time: Destiny. Caliborn's will and English's existence alone forces reality to bend over for his wishes, and trying to deviate from the course he set out gets punished.
It's like why everyone kept saying "he is already here". Because he is, which means he has an origin that the heroes must adhere to. Imagine reading the last page of a book before jumping back and reading chapter 1. No matter whether you want to or not, the story WILL lead to that end, one way or another.
It's why John's power is the other half of the temporal coin superweapon: Revisionism. The story will eventually lead to the end that was foreseen, but John can shape and rewrite the intermediate plot so the unknown epilogue changes.
In effect, Caliborn, John, and Alt Calliope all have three parts to this authorial metapower: The writer, the editor, and the publisher.
>>77515624
Yeah, it's too bad. I still like Hussie's early work and the first half or so of Homestuck. If it had wrapped up earlier and he had moved on to other projects he'd probably still be pretty successful. I don't know how many people are gonna follow what he does once Homestuck is over though.
>>77515697
>I don't know how many people are gonna follow what he does once Homestuck is over though.
If the game comes out next year, is good, of decent length (say, 4+ hours), and manages to get into an indie humble bundle then that should reinvigorate his waning fanbase with a healthy amount of new followers, enough that he still has a credible reputation when his next thing comes out.
>>77515697
Nobody will want to follow. Because Hussie experimented, and a lot of it failed. He has a failed game, his art has degraded badly, he has mixed relations and a disliked fandom that jumped ship to other way more successful works... it really seems like brevity is the key, since Problem Sleuth was great stuff and held up, the first two years of Homestuck was an incredible ride, Undertale was nice and short and succinct
If Homestuck had ended after 2 years it would have been one of the most amazing things the internet would have ever experienced. He'd be legend.
>>77515221
We established retcons as only existing from the point where John makes them in the comics, so if Lord English was ONLY made after the retcon, he shouldn't have existed until then. Maybe time travel can get around this but it's a bit different because it's a LE that's not supposed to exist until John retcons him.
There's also a really really nitpicky thing where Caliborn talks to Jake about Gamzee. It has to happen before the retcon because Gamzee was in a fridge post-retcon, which means there's a pre-retcon Caliborn. Since the ghosts survived the retcon it's not unreasonable that a pre-retcon LE did as well.
In Caliborn's masterpiece when he's watching himself, he mentions that the him on the screen is surprised even though his future self *should* know if he also watched himself. It's possible that Caliborn is watching his future self at the EXACT moment the retcon on the screen is "happening," meaning his future self wouldn't have seen it. And now that he knows, the outcome could be different.
Of course this is maximum tinfoil hat, but deep in my heart it's what I want so our lord and savior Caliborn can be redeemed but also we get a sick fight against the "other" LE.
>>77516553
>if Lord English was ONLY made after the retcon, he shouldn't have existed until then
that's the penultimate power of 'Already Here'
Lord English can exist without an origin. Even if he used his retcon powers to kill Caliborn as a fresh hatched snakeling LE would likely continue to exist.
So in a way, I guess I am agreeing with you. It is within the realm of possibility that Caliborn could be persuaded not to become LE, and to help them fight LE, and LE wouldn't cease to exist as soon as Caliborn made that choice.
>>77516553
>We established retcons as only existing from the point where John makes them in the comics
Well, from the point of the serial reader, but for the archival reader they would be seen as always having been there for initially inexplicable reasons. And besides that, a timeline, even one created as a result from retcons, would still be there and be pre-determined as a part of Paradox Space.
>It has to happen before the retcon because Gamzee was in a fridge post-retcon
And didn't Vriska say she's gonna drop Gamzee in B2 Earth's oceans after it gets transported to Caliborn and Calliope's universe?
>he mentions that the him on the screen is surprised even though his future self *should* know if he also watched himself
This I may give some credence for, though it is likely that Caliborn decides to go through all of that anyways 'cause then he'll get to become LE and have all the power and all that.
And in the end I'm not really sure what purpose a Caliborn redemption arc would have.
>>77517469
>And didn't Vriska say she's gonna drop Gamzee in B2 Earth's oceans after it gets transported to Caliborn and Calliope's universe?
It's not about Gamzee being Caliborn's dad, it was specifically talking about Gamzee making Erisolsprite, which couldn't have happened post-retcon. So a pre-retcon Caliborn must have been talking to pre-retcon Jake. I don't think we've seen post-retcon characters interacting with pre-retcon characters except for dreambubble shenanigans, since the retconned events never happened.
>>77488581
>Time travel works like literal loops or circles, things with no beginning and no end.
Sort of. All stable time loop circles have a threaded "beginning", but once the time loop begins, that "beginning" is cut off until the thread feeds into itself.
Someone explained it once at an old, oooold /hsg/ but I never had the good sense to save it.
>In the new time line Dave is gay
He was always kind of a fag
>and everyone does what vriskas says
Because no one was doing anything (which is what got them into that GAME OVER bad end in the first place). For all of Vriska's faults, she knows how to command people and her powergaming habits got the Meteor crew into a better position.
>Also rose isn't a drunk
See above.
>And sprite^2s
Yeah these are pretty dumb.
>>77517694
Ah right. I guess that all depends whether the command station Caliborn is using is able to see both pre- and post-retcon happenings or not, and also if Universe C would be split pre- and post-retcon at all.
The retcon still pisses me off.
WHAT WAS THE POINT OF DEVELOPING YEARS OF THE STORY JUST TO THROW IT AWAY?
>>77518175
Hussie had no clue how to bring back Vriska without making the age gap too awkward.
>>77518188
>Somehow resurrect Vriska in the Furthest Ring
>Either there's no dreamselves there to take Vriska back to the session or there are and they get woken up before they can
>Vriska finds out the direction of the session
>She has her own three year journey to get there, which the audience doesn't have to see
It's not that hard to think something up.
>>77518175
it wasn't thrown away. It still happened. It still developed the themes and expanded the story and gave insight into the characters. (Vriska) and Game Over Terezi completed their story arcs. GO Rose's existence continued visa Jasprosesprite^2. Terezi knows everything that happened there firsthand. John still went through everything firsthand. Hell even GO Nanasprite is still around.
>>77519183
What was Vriska's story arc again?
I know that (Vriska)'s one got sidetracked and turned into "Enjoy irrelevancy with your true love/best friend"
>>77519287
>What was Vriska's story arc again?
Huge 8itch 8luh 8luh.
Or to be more precice, since destiny won't allow her to stop being a huge 8itch, to learn how to direct her 8itchiness in a productive and contributive way.
just before the confrontation with Terezi she was questioning troll culture, and her 'eye for an eye' lifestyle. When GO Terezi killed (Vriska), it just vindicated that lifestyle and quelled her doubts. She did a bad thing, she got killed for it, and that was 'Right' and it doesn't matter what shitty things you do since you'll only know you crossed the line when someone's murdered you so why stress about it.
Vriska on the other hand experienced mercy via John's intervention, since the chain of revenge was broken, she had nothing better to do than apply herself differently, which led to her huge 8itching Rose out of alchoholism and using her force of personality to stop the meteor peeps from just closing off from one another and enabling bad habits.
She's become a bit like Rimmer on Red Dwarf in that by being an obnoxious but not dangerous person, she helps keep the people around her grounded and give perspective, and tactless enough to confront people about things a more polite person would turn a blind eye to.
'course it's not over yet since her plan to defeat LE isn't much different than her plan to beat Bec Noir
>>77519183
Don't forget based Davepetasprite^2
>>77515632
I never looked at this way but I like this interpretation.
Reminder that Hussie will never produce anything as great as Don't Stop ever again.please, somebody draw fanart, it's been so long
>>77519390
Okay, please do Karkat's story arc and implications for GO!Karkat's new story arc. I love what you write.
>>77519430
Pretty sure that was the goal. It's just done awkwardly with Dave angsting over being gay.
>>77513774
Oh, i actually didnt realise. How about that
I'm of the opinion that Homestuck didn't turn bad until A6A6I5. Everything before that was great.
>>77519870
Was that the latest act?
>>77513945
The gigapause WOULD have worked if hussie was able to follow through with his original plan and post the rest of the comic at once. Since that went out the window he has to do this stop and go thing
>>77519898
I'm eventually glad he abandoned it though, Homestuck's updates are really part of what made it popular.
>>77519887
yeah basically Vriskagram is where it gets really weak
>>77519989
Thought so. Really wonder what the fuck was up with that act. It feels like someone else wrote it, or someone with a completely reworked philosophy.
>>77520009
Yeah i can kinda understand all the ghostwriter theories even though i don't really buy them.
still it's like what? 1% of all of Homestuck? It's still an amazing comic overall imo.
>>77520138
The problem is it's that 1% that matters, because it developed a bunch of characters people liked into toothless caricatures of themselves that talk like they're in a fanfiction.
He should of stopped the Gigapause on Homestuck's birthday.
Gives him even more months left to get ready.
>>77520719
Why is Meenah such a legit pedo
>>77520907
Because drinking cerulean semen isn't enough for her.
She wants to taste candy-red flavor.
>>77520192
That's underselling fanfiction even.
>>77520981
But Vriska is underage as well. She keeps creeping on kids man.
>>77519870
An anon pointed A6A3 last thread and I agree with him, everything after meenahquest became lifeless save some storytelling and Aranea shenanigans.
>>77518816
>seahorses can choose to abort eggs from 'ugly' females
Its like pottery
>>77520997
What's wrong?
Shota!Karkat and Loli!Vriska are miracles to our pathetic existences. Meenah has good taste.
But seriously, is Meenah a good leader? Her speech is cringey as fuck and Vriska fell for her easy.
>>77513589
This is the laziest attempt at tumblr nose I have ever seen. It just makes them all look like potatoes.
>>77521738
It depends on who you talk to. If it were the humans, they wouldn't directly follow her. But the trolls probably have a genetic subjugation instinct to allow Meenah's caste to always assume leadership. To them, it just doesn't feel right unless one with Meenah's blood is calling the shots.
>>77519989
What about Dave and Dirk's scene? I thought that was written pretty well.
>>77524036
It was, then shitty Dave gay angst happened and more dumb Davekat implication.
Just confirm that shitty ship already and fuck our asses, Hussie.
>>77524990
Honestly all the blatantly beating around the bush on Davekat makes me think it's not really going to be a thing. Why would Hussie do all of that teasing then make it explicit, when it's quicker to just outright show that they're dating from the start if it's going to be the end result anyways? This is more likely just more fucking with the fans 'cause Hussie thinks it's funny, like with all the just-as-blatant Johnrezi teasing.
>>77525574
>he thinks Davekat and Johnrezi won't happen
Oh, you poor fool.
>>77525598
And I also think that Rosemary is going to sink before the end. Really, none of those ships feel like sufficient endgame material for me, based on the development of the characters and how the relationships have been focused.
>>77519434
>very few fanarts of Wizardy Herbert
>no fanarts of AIDS
wweh
>>77524990
>>77525574
It seemed pretty explicit to me.
>>77526421
They're in some kind of relationship, that's as much as what's been given. Anything about them being matesprits/boyfriends has only been teased as a possibility so far.
So the whole caliborn narration thing is confusing me. Is that a timeline that is yet to happen but already happened from his perspective, the fight we're about to see when everyone faces off with the BBE's or a timeline that never happened in the first place because of johns retcon powers?
>>77528732
The fight with Caliborn and the kids is a future event that he sees in one of the screens from the command station. That happens after he confronts Yaldobaoth, which he says he will do at the end of his masterpiece. Whether the retcons had or will have any effect on that scene remains to be seen, though I'm betting that it probably didn't.
>>77525796
People keep saying this and I don't know why. People really believe Rosemary isn't end game? What bizarro world do you live in?
>>77528732
the first one. It's not the fight we're about to see because what we're about to see is the gang vs LE, and what Caliborn saw was the fight that ultimately resulted in his transformation from Caliborn to LE via being trapped in Lil Cal with Dirkquius and 1/2Gamzee.
Furthermore it's the post-retcon timeline rather than the pre-retcon timeline since pre-retcon Gamzee already got cut in half. The gamzee Caliborn saw was fine.
with regards to confusion about who Caliborn talked to etc, remember that each instance of Skaia takes place in its own isolated timeline. Just like how in Davesprite's timeline he still had memories of talking to the trolls right up until John died, Caliborn has memories of talking to the pre-retcon beta kids.
>>77529723
And why does everyone assume that the ship's going to survive, other than
>muh otp!
or
>muh pandering!
on either side of the spectrum? Like now that Rose's alcoholism has been resolved earlier they're now just there being a generic happy couple, all played safe with little to nothing between them that would make anyone (who doesn't steadfastly ship them at least) still care about their relationship. Along with them being the longest lasting ship in the comic by far, I doubt the two are going to keep staying that way for long.
>>77529120
They definitely did because we already saw John and the rest retcon-teleporting in.
>>77530042
>Furthermore it's the post-retcon timeline rather than the pre-retcon timeline since pre-retcon Gamzee already got cut in half. The gamzee Caliborn saw was fine.
Are you talking about Game Over when Gamzee got cut in half? Yeah, that was pre-retcon, but it was also a doomed timeline because Aranea fucked with everything so it shouldn't matter. Presumably there is a pre-retcon alpha timeline we never saw because it didn't matter.
>>77490694
Holy shit Im in love, artist?
>>77530523
>it's stable so it shouldn't exist
it's the end of the comic, it's the time to finish drama, not to start more
>>77530523
theres a third thing that ive seen a lot lately:
that their relationship doesnt affect them at all and you're an evil homophobe for daring to consider that misogynistic notion of "relationships should impact characters" ought to apply to a beautiful diverse webcomic like homestuck.
