Let's recommend the best /y/ or shonen ai mangas there are! with the best art! and the bestest of stories!
SO! why is it that my dear gayfriends and gals have never posted about 19 days!?
bless the Great Old Xian
Let us Begin!!!
allright! I'll be leaving for now
so, if you are interested in this, this is a webtoon called 19 days by korean mangaka artist oldxian!
plz, recommend me things like this if you know about them, this anon will be very very gratefulllll!! and have a good day you lovely gaypeople
>>2973936
I fucking love Old Xian, but damn it op, did you really have to make a whole thread yourself over it?
>>2973936
Um, if I was to recommend anything, I have yet to read something by Kou Yoneda that I didn't love. That woman seems to know how to write intriguing characters without going too tropey.
>>2973946
I'm pretty sure Old Xian is Chinese. I mean, I mainly follow mosspaca's female's yuri comic, Tan Jiu's Their Story and Mosspaca's Advertising and in Tan Jiu's comic they had someone raise the Chinese flag for school, and they also make little nods to Chinese culture in their advertising comic, and then they also both use Weibo which is a Chinese website and also pic related is not in Korean.
>>2973965
They also make gay, awkward product placements
>>2973946
Why do you write like you are 16?
Anyways, it is Chinese not Korean.
I read this a long time ago.
I am one of those anons that likes a good story.
This still has one of the best indirect confessions I have seen.
Anything by Harada is great if you like toxic relationships.
And of course, anyone who is anyone who loves bara knows about Mentaiko
hmm, best looking had got to be this right here
What else can I post.
Ah, there is also Nakamura Asumiko with her strange art style that fits her dark stories very well.
![[BNS]_Canis_v01_c01_005.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wfIWdpS.jpg "[BNS]_Canis_v01_c01_005.jpg")
Thinking of Asumiko reminds me of this.
Forgot the mangaka's name.
You can figure it out though.
Don't care for the art much but gotta love my ballroom dancing faggots.
>>2974024
Another who's art I don't care for but it was one of my firsts. Will forever hold a special place in my heart.
The story is alright, pretty generic but a nice read.
>>2974022
Not to me confused with Nakamura Shungiku by the way, I really do not like Shungiku.
There is Kyuugou
There is also Hideyoshico
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>>2974027
I guess that is enough to keep this thread going.
There are plenty more you just have to find them.
I am so glad many artists are moving away from that disgusting old school shoujo-esque style. With the triangle faces, disproportionate bodies, and bug eyed bottoms.
I really do not like stories where the uke is a girl who happens to have a penis they tend to be bug eyed too.
By the way, none of these are like 19 tian.
Which I am also enjoying very much as well.
Hehe, none of them are as light hearted.
I would like one like that too.
Honto Yajuu comes to mind when it comes to comedic light heartedness but it is still not the same.
>>2974028
Here is Honto Yajuu
>>2974025
Forgot to include that this has my fetish too.
SemexSeme
Where top and bottom switch roles.
Just a little but fucking great.
Why is SemexSeme so hard to find?
>>2974030
>SemexSeme
that is just being versatile I don't think that counts as a fetish.
>Why is SemexSeme so hard to find?
Bara stuff tends to be less restrictive with who is topping and bottoming than yaoi. but that is not for everyone.
>>2974029
honto yajuu was such a good manga holy shit. i love that artist so much
>>2974058
It is so rare I call it a fetish.
I don't want it in bara.
I want it in my regular yaoi manga not hentai.
>>2974059
>was
Isn't it still going?
>>2973965
Do you have any where the characters have tanned? I don't want niggas but Indians are fine.
I remember seeing a couple 'slaves' and an Indian but I can't find them again!
>>2974068
It's not all that rare, unless you're just counting the crap that gets scanned and translated.
>>2974068
>regular yaoi manga not hentai.
when you say yaoi I think porn
for romance with non explicit sex I think of BL or shounen ai
>>2974096
In Japan, BL is both.
I'm surprised yaoi and shounenai are terms still used here.
>>2974086
Tsuritama doujins?
Basugay doujins?
Doujins from series that have tanned characters.
I for one am waiting on that Kekkai Sensen.
>>2974106
I imagine most of the people on /cm/ are younger/newfriends. Yaoi is the catch all term in the west for gay anime/manga regardless of explicitness. while in japan its hardly used or if it is used its for porn.
>>2974137
I have always considered yaoi to involve sex and shounen ai to just be vanilla love
>>2974158
"Shounen ai" is either the old-school super-melodramatic stuff (think Kaze to Ki no Uta), or creepy shit. BL is BL whether it's cute love stories where any sex happens off the page or full-on porn; there's just a spectrum of explicitness within the category.
>>2974175
Shounen ai is Boys love.
This anon
>>2974158
is correct
The artstyle really grew on me. The characters are written in a very lively way, they don't have that generic seme/uke dynamic you see in most bl manga.
>>2974239
>>2974246
Protip: "translates as the same" != "the same". "BL" is the acronym for the exotic foreign words "boys" and "love," adopted to refer to a publishing category. "Shounen-ai" can refer to a historic period in the development of BL, or to pedo-ass "boy-love," and I dont trust my gaijin ass to make the distinction clear in terms of what I say and who I say it to...so I'll stick to "BL," and so should anyone else who isn't a fucking native speaker.
>>2974373
Nigga what?
Nobody argues about gay terminology on /a/
Not even the homo thread.
>>2974392
That's because nobody even uses the terms yaoi or shounen-ai anymore, unless they're a newfag and/or casual. I wouldn't be surprised if this is different in threads that attract tumblrites though.
>>2974372
>being wrong is fine
>sounding like a 14 year old girl who just read her first homo doujin fine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaoi
>>2973945
i know this too well ;_;
>>2974296
What anime?
I'm a big fan of Junko, both her stories and art. But, I've had others tell me she's shit, so it might just be me. In any case, she's my favorite /cm/-related mangaka
>>2974524
Reread the post.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jic7f
>>2974571
Oops my bad, I just realized it was confusing.
Yoneda Kou.
this is from Doishitemo Furutakunai. Really lovely one shot - listen to the drama cd while you read for maximum feels.
But also another one to check out is Saezuru Tori Wa Habatakanai if you're into yakuza stories. Really heavy on plot with a slow and subtle building romance.
>>2975011
Shit, it's Doushitemo, fuck you autocorrect.
Pure fluff.
>>2974026
ahhh acid town is great
probably the most realistic shounen ai i've ever read though there's no lewd stuff. it's pure fluff and very cute
Anything from Kanda Neko, her stories are a little bit ??, but her art style is one of the nicest that I have ever seen
I surely recommend doushitemo furetakunai and puchitto hajiketa (the last one) aswell.
Other recommendations: Koisuru Boukun (must-read) & Blue Sky Complex (still ongoing)
maybe Katekyo!
It saddens me that I highly doubt any of you could recommend me something I have not read or seen with decent art.
>>2974019
What's the pic from?
>>2974018
Sakura Gari was great. I give it a 9/10. And the 9 is only because I followed it and it published insanely slow.
>>2976237
What saddens me is I am ruined for everything thanks to Yoneda-sensei. Everything else is just empty smut - even if it's pretty.
Anything by Inariya Fusanosuke.
>>2976299
Oh, I was lucky enough to read it in one go.
>>2976413
I don't know about Fusanosuke, but I know Yoneda Kou is a woman.
>>2976413
Inariya Fusanosuke is a woman but prefers to use neutral pronouns when refering to herself in her works. She's suprisingly not as young as I pictured a yaoi mangaka to be.
>>2976413
why would they be? BL is by women for women.
>>2976469
>>2976470
Why is this bait? That's typically how it is, not that male authors don't exist now, or that men can't enjoy it.
>>2976470
I suggest you look up what BL is.
>>2976472
If the authors are male writing for men then it's bara.
>>2976545
ah, thanks for enlightening me. I've never thought much about the terminology.
>>2976545
>If the authors are male writing for men then it's bara.
lol, it's not that simple
>>2976413
>>Fusanosuke
>Are these male mangaka?
Just looking at fusanosuke's drawing style, I can tell you it's a woman
>>2976468
>She's suprisingly not as young as I pictured a yaoi mangaka to be
there are a lot of older yaoi/BL mangakas
>>2976561
>it's not that simple
It's defined pretty clearly when you're shopping for it in Japan, and what the material is classified as is almost always dependant on the mangaka's gender regardless of content.
I don't understand fujoshis that claim BL is made by women for women.
That's like saying Seinen is mabe by men for men or Shounen is made my boys for boys.
I find it very stupid.
Yes, the genre was started by women but why does it matter?
It attracts a male fanbase what is wrong with that?
That's like guys getting mad that girls are reading works aimed at male audiences.
Some women like reading Yuri, you don't hear people saying that that genre is for men by men.
It is silly.(Well, atleast I haven't)
An argument that gets thrown around a lot is that guys wouldn't understand and that the characters are made so that WOMEN can self insert.
I don't understand.
I don't self insert.
As a woman, I like reading yaoi because it is two men that are fucking.
I really do not like it when the bottom is feminine and bug eyed. Might as well call the uke a girl who happens to have a penis.
Just because works are aimed at specific audiences doesn't mean it is just for them.
Can't wait for Japan to be a bit more open minded. I want more male BL mangaka cause reading it from their perspective is great.
Japanese gay men tend to dislike BL quite a bit.
>>2976755
>Can't wait for Japan to be a bit more open minded
>>2976755
i think you're under the impression that BL is an umbrella term for all manga depicting gay men in a relationship. it isn't. geicomi is gay comics for gay men and what you should be looking for if you want to "read it from their perspective".
people emphasise who it's by and marketed to so you have an idea of the content. is it porn for women? chances are it focuses on emotional fulfillment first and foremost. is it porn for men? chances are it focuses on graphic sex first and foremost. it's a general rule that can be broken, but it's still a commonly followed rule nonetheless.
there's nothing discriminating about saying that particular genres are targeted to certain audiences, and when people look for something in particular they don't want to find something else entirely. like it or not, men and women are very different, and it is necessary to distinguish porn to their intended audiences. I don't think you'd be pleased walking into the women's section at an adult store and finding gangbang porn for men all over the place just because some women like it, would you? and let me tell you, gay men in Japan would be annoyed to find BL in geicomi shops, and women would be annoyed to find bara in BL shops, for completely understandable reasons. they're looking for something specific, they're not closed minded.
I think the confusion comes from the fact that a lot of the males who enjoy BL and shonen-ai aren't really gay in the first place. And they don't like bara.
So saying that BL is for women and bara is for men will have a lot of BL male fans protest that broad generalization.
Just my 2cents.
>>2976786
I don't know why they would care, unless they're embarrassed to be associated with women. Nobody will deny that chick flicks are intended for women, doesn't keep them from being a guilty pleasure of some males. Nobody has once said that males can't like BL, but the fact that some do doesn't negate the intended audience and who the authors generally are. You're not going to find BL in men's stores or gay magazines, you're going to find them in women's stores and magazines for reasons that should be obvious.
>>2976786
>BL and shonen-ai
you're being redundant.
>>2976787
>You're not going to find BL in men's stores or gay magazines, you're going to find them in women's stores and magazines
I think that while this traditional separation happens very clearly in japan, here in the west the audiences are not as clearly defined and western fans would probably not want to see the japan divide transposed like that.
(And most western BL fans don't physically walk into stores to buy their mangas.)
>>2976788
this is shameful, I am going to clean the dishonor off my clan by doing sudoku at dawn.
>>2976789
The only reason for it being that way in the west is people being unaware of the proper terms to use. The fact that people still use the terms yaoi and shounen-ai in this thread is evidence of that. I think it would be helpful to raise awareness of the proper terms so people can find what they're looking for. A lot of people could be looking for something like bara but getting BL because they don't know that gay comics for gay men even exist.
The only other reason I can think of is those male fans' embarrassment to be associated with a "woman's hobby", which is stupid and should be shunned. Male BL fans in Japan (fudanshi) have no issue admitting that it's a genre intended for women, because that's what it is. That, and social justice reasons, with getting triggered at the idea of gendered marketing.
>>2976789
>here in the west the audiences are not as clearly defined
Everybody thinks girls when they think BL/yaoi/whatever you want to call it. The rest of 4chan even thinks /cm/ is predominantly female, and it probably is, and probably underaged too unfortunately.
>>2976786
Somehow I doubt that actual male fans care about people saying it's for girls as much as overtly politically correct tumblrfags worry about being "inclusive" and not hurting their precious feelings.
>>2976798
You'd be surprised. Males that love BL and hate fujoshi also exist. It's hilarious seeing them bite the hand that feeds them.
Could anyone recommend any anime/manga that doesn't have the cliche of a light haired character and dark haired character getting together? I'd prefer if both guys were dark haired.
>>2976832
try looking for things set in oldschool japan
>>2976832
black butler
most stuff from Clamp
>>2976758
You notice how I didn't quote anyone in this thread?
I meant it as in general.
That argument has been stated by some anons in other threads not this one in particular. I just wanted to bring up a topic that I have been curious about.
>>2976832
Some cannon gay same hair colored couples have already been recommend in this thread
>>2976835
lies
>>2974549
I adore her work, so you're not the only one!
>>2974018
aren´t we all forever 16 here?
>>2976791
I think we should talk more about these things in /cm/ since it will help a lot of people to find their niches faster
we all have cunty attitudes and I don´t even know why this is a board where people barely discuss their niches, couples, images and tastes, It´s a lot more fun to discuss!
>>2976929
No, you would get reported.
>>2976961
>not getting the joke
I've only seen the anime, but No. 6 was pretty good.
Throwing another vote in for Acid Town.
I forget the name, but there's one were a dude tries to summon a succubus only to end up with a dude who technically falls within the parameters that gave me a thing for boys wearing star leggins.
>>2977135
No, I get it. It was just a bad one.
>>2977139
I liked so yes to No 6!
I just wish there were more BL webcomics I only know of a few
like always raining here
starfighter
doki doki checkmate
tobias and guy
they all have something nice to offer but are really different at the same time
I just wish there were more of them
>>2974372
>>2974372
yeah, I call the BL genre yaoi too (for porn) and shounen ai (when there's almost no porn or none at all)
they are both BL
I don't understand why this assumption is bad
both are BL
shouldn't we have a sticky in how to search images on pixiv? and answering all these questions?
we should also have a manga general and the occasional fan fic general, I miss those
We've done this before and got quite some great recs, here's a sample.
My favorite BL mangaka is probably Miyamoto Kano. Her world is very realistic, minus the occasional supernatural manga, and above all her characters are believable. I am particularly fond of everything around Rules even if I can't seem to warm up to Yuki.
And of course, Yoneda Ko always deserves a mention in a thread like this.
Glad to see Sakura Gari here, it's full of all things wrong and still absolutely amazing.
>>2977257
It's been explained to you several times why those terms are stupid and out of date.
>>2977293
well, you are on a japanese inspired board what did you expect? and everyone can search on tumblr or deviantart, the normal anon can't make a search in pixiv
and who says pixiv is for anime only? It's just a style aniway, you are going to find /tv/ and /co/ on pixiv too, the style will remain anime though
but what did you want? this is an anime based board
>>2977294
sorry but I wasn't that person, surprise surprise
you guys sound so bitter, you should head up to r9k
>>2977297
>the normal anon can't make a search in pixiv
If they're retards, sure.
>>2977300
not really, there's a lot of people who don't know how to read basic japanese and you really can't blame them
>>2977311
why did you mention /co/ an /tv/ then? yes, cartoons do have a style but that doesn't mean you can't make fan art of it in another style
again, Pixiv is for fanart too, it's not limited to anime artists it's just a japanese DA
anyway no wonder nobody talks around here
with you being all possesive of this board and answering angrily, you sound really mad
>>2977321
You don't need to know basic Japanese to browse and search pixiv, only common sense and the ability to google and copy paste words.
>>2977322
This
>>2975258
the sequel about the neighbor friend is good too
>>2977322
Yup.
Though apparently I can't apply the same common sense for sadpanda. Still can't get into that shit.
>>2974027
mein nigger
>>2974549
i fucking love her art so much and her stories are also good but "kimi note" wasn't my cup of tea idk why but it seemed kinda rushed imo
>>2975258
i loved this so much it's my second favorite after harete bokutachi wa and doki doki renai (bc i consider those just one story) and the sequel is also pretty good i love gorou and verde interactions
anything by jaryuu dokuro is my jam tbh i love her style too much and specially "ai ga love shite nanosa" is one of my favs because the whole delinquent x good boy/megane/class rep stuff is just my kind of stuff
any recommendations of stories like this?
>>2977615
you won't regret it
also pick up anything from ogawa chise, kumota haruko, ootsuki miu and hayakawa nojiko
>>2977650
I have read your image.
Thanks anon.
>>2973936
I love 19 days so fucking much, but it's infuriatingly slow paced. So little happens in a chapter and they're so short.
>>2974021
What is this
>>2978532
Guilt Pleasure: In These Words.
>>2975011
Doushitemo didn't do much for me, but if you like yakuza stories, just stop whatever you're doing and read Saezuru Tori and its prequel "Don't stay gold"; Yashiro is absolutely unforgetable as a character.
>>2974022
I only read Copernicus Breathes by Asumiko, but I liked both the story and the artstyle, very delicate and tragic, and the cirque theme fit well.
>>2974024
Read this recently, was not disappointed, I love dancing faggots as well.
>>2974023
I keep seeing some lewd untranslated scans of Canis that I can't find right now (i think they're making out in the shower), but I've read both volumes and didn't come across them; anybody know what I'm talking about? Are they from a volume/chapter that's still not scanlated? Is it a side story? The art looks very similar to the original, so I didn't think it was a doujin, but who knows?
>>2977558
Only read Endless World by Dokuro; liked it, highly recommend it.
What I've read recently:
Papa's Assassin (pic related) - about a teenager with an oyaji fetish who gets infatuated with his adoptive father. It's quirky, but serious at times, I really liked it, but like the main character, I have an oyaji fetish, so I may be biased.
What I reread recently: Vassalord - sometimes I think I won't ever mature psychologically past the age of twelve. This was one of the first BL-themed things I read while still in my edgy vampire phase, and I keep coming back to it. The story is all over the place, hard to understand to boot because of shitty translations, and the ending leaves some things frustratingly open, but there's just such obvious love between the leads...It's really sexy without any sex at all (until the extra in the final chapter).
>>2977864
Because old xian is a humor comic writer rather than a story writer like tan jiu.
>>2978587
There are only six chapters available of that Oyaji one.
I was saddened anon
>>2978658
I purposely omitted saying that so people would go and read it. I'm sorry I deceived you anon, I did it for a good purpose.
>>2978742
>I did it for a good purpose.
No you didn't you wanted other people suffer with you. Asshole.
>>2977274
How does that recs table hold up in retrospect 3 years later?
>>2973936
OP when did this happen in the comic or is it fanart
>>2973941
And also this!? When did this happen? Maybe I forgot or I am reading not the right scans?
I love Smells Like Green Spirit but I haven't read it all yet because I am waiting for scanlations. It's cute but sad in a way, about a boy living in a mountain town in Japan who feels like a girl. He is made fun of but he finds someone unexpected who feels the same and they become closer. So far it feels more like friendship than romance but it's beautiful and cute.
>>2975011
>Doishitemo Furutakunai
Thanks for this reccomendation because I always skipped this one for some reason but I saw the page and your rec and now I'm reading it and it's amazing. Thanks.
http://pastebin.com/6cUfQsZx
Gay webcomics from /lgbt/ if you feel a little western
>>2977558
YES her art is cute and dynamic, I don't know how to describe it. I also love delinquent x shy/nerdy boy stuff so Daryuu Dokuro is really my cup of tea.
>>2980524
>western
Probably infused with social justice shit and tumblr memes
>>2980519
During the "present time"
Early chapters of the manga
why is doujinshi superior to official manga when it comes to gay romances?
>>2981647
Doujinshi have more to work with in regard to developed characters/worldbuilding. They get straight to the romance because you have acquired the foundation of the relationship from what you can draw from canon. They get to borrow quality ingredients to make some quality porn for you, basically.
Original BL manga has to start from scratch and usually the writing just plain ol' isn't that great PLUS if you stray too far from the main point of it (homo flirting/fucking/feelings) you aren't going to get return customers.
I mean, there's a reason fanworks are so much more popular than original stuff, and it's pretty much this.
>>2980524
TJ and Amal is A+
>>2980532
Somewhat reasonable assessment, but give some of them ago if you've got nothing better to do.
>>2976786
>a lot of the males who enjoy BL and shonen-ai aren't really gay in the first place
Yep, I'm totally not gay, I just like stories bout guys getting intimate and kissing, but I'm totally straight
Randpm porn oneshots aside I only like Junjou Romantica and Sekaiichi Hatsukoi. Don't care about anything else. Sporadically I follow Koisuru Boukun and Okane ga nai because I like the seme guys.
>>2981695
learn the difference between shitposting and sarcasm to make a point, retard
>>2981671
Let me guess - you started the JR thread?
Putting in a good word for Bokura no Oukoku. It was one of my firsts, and though it's not as great as when I read it for the first time when I was 13, I still really like the way their relationship builds up.
>>2974019
Well, I'm not a fan of the art, but I love toxic shit, so I'mma give this a go.
>>2981761
Yes, why?
>>2981669
you're gay so obviously everybody must be the same right?
I recommend Nirameba Koi (Glare at you because I love you). The art style is unique and the story is cute.
This was terribly painful and wonderful at the same time, I love Shimura.
>>2973940
Straight male here. Just here to see what the board is like. Do girls/gay dudes really think grinding teeth at night is attractive? What a strange thing.
>>2983324
As with all tastes, depends on person. Never even met somebody doing that.
>>2983324
Pretty sure it's just supposed to be a quirk that one person does that you can't help but find endearing. That shouldn't need explaining.
>>2983324
>Just here to see what the board is like.
It's okay anon, you don't have to justify yourself to us.
>>2976301
I'm not a fan of her seme/uke dynamics, but her art, worldbuilding, and writing make up for it.
>>2977139
Himitsu no Akuma-chan?
>>2981820
But I mean seriously, if you like primarily BL manga/anime I don't see how you can be straight. Things like No. 6 I get, because the primary focus isn't just gay romance, but things that almost entirely focus on that can't attract a straight male audience very well.
>>2983778
Junjou Romantica has many straight male fans.
Then again the ukes and the semes are women in the bodies of men.
>>2983779
It can't be a big hit though right? I've never met or even heard a straight guy say they like Junjou Romantica, I mean I'm sure they exist but they're so rare they might as well not.
>>2983778
you're so wrong
I like stories with romance (which I admit is not a common thing among males)
And I came to realize that I prefer soft male/male stuff. you know why? because since I am a straight male, I feel zero sexaul attraction to the protagonists and thus the love story appear a lot more "pure" and contains some sort of childlike innocence.
Straight love stories make me think of either sex or of the bullshit you get with real life romances. Yuri stories are even worse to me, they're just sex.
BL OTOH is so "pure".
I'll admit I am kind of not in the norm, but still....
>>2983781
Well this is an interesting perspective I hadn't heard before.
>>2983778
The modern definition of homosexuality is pretty narrow, I can imagine a guy could enjoy reading about romantic male/male relationships without being into the sexual aspect. Kind of seems to be >>2983781's deal.
>>2983781
>Yuri stories are even worse to me, they're just sex.
A lot of Girl's Love is really fluffy and relationship-focused. You've just been reading the sex-focused stuff. Just like BL and het stuff, there's romance-focused stories and sex-focused stories.
If you like "pure" love stories with two guys, try The Heart of Thomas or No. 6.
>>2983969
I don't think the problem is what he's been reading, but rather that he has an unhealthy mentality of women.
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What are the most popular gay ships out there?
By this i mean the most known by the mainstream public pairings, either canon or with strongly implied/very possible gay outcome.
For example, i think kawoshin fits this perfectly, it's both a popular series AND with good implications about homo.
While, say, naruto x sasuke, is fucking popular too, but is just fan-wanking with no reason behind it aside from "they are hot".
>>2983976
Izaya x Shizuo
>>2984038
>Shizuo
Hooks up with a girl later, doesn't he?
>>2984039
I only watched the first season.
>>2984038
It's not that popular though is it? I think Kawoshin still takes the cake for popularity, it pretty much started the whole craze with gay shipping and is still really popular today. Also, like you say, Naruto/Sasuke is popular, and Gon/Killua gets some attention too, although that's often as a joke about how gay they're written rather than fans actually shipping them (although there's that too).
>>2984131
I wouldn't think friendship counts as shipping, I mean it's pretty obvious that they're friends. I think though between people actually shipping them and people shipping them to make fun of how the author seemed to make them gayish, they're probably right up at the top.
>>2984133
Yeah you're right, I'm just thinking that their relationship is a big draw for fans whether it's friendship or more. I feel like most people would be pretty shocked if either ever got a female love interest.
>>2984134
True. I mean personally I just like their friendship and that's one of the big appeals of the show. I don't think that's at all restricted by sexuality/gender either, most people I think enjoy the show for their friendship.
Is there many manga out there that don't have the seme/uke division?
>>2984505
Lots?
>>2984506
That was me asking for examples if you haven't noticed.
Does anyone know of any manga that deals with coming out?
>>2984745
A few one shots in Tomoko Yamashita's "Black winged love"
>>2984039
Might get lynched for this but I actually prefer him with Vorona over Izaya.
Guess I'm more of a "bl is nice too" person than a real fan.
>>2984776
>Might get lynched for this
Yes, you will. But not for liking a hetero pairing over a homo one, but for your awful taste. Shizuo x Celty is superior in all aspects.
>>2984784
I actually like those two as well, but she seems so happy with Shinra.
>>2984784
I remember thinking she would be better with Shizuo when I watched the first season. I don't like how Shinra essentially trapped her into the relationship either.
>>2984807
I mean, as much as I dislike Shinra's choices, in the end, Celty loves him and made the decision to stay with him. He makes her happy, and that's good enough for me.
I wouldn't mind at all if she left him for Shizuo though.
>>2984807
Shinra is one hell of a manipulative bastard. Their relationship was toxic right from the start.
>>2984784
Wait, what's wrong with Vorona?
I like her, though she has much room to improve as a person.
>>2984917
2bland4me
I just didn't find her character amusing. Whatever she did it annoyed me. Vorona was a trope, not an actual character.
Yoneda Kou - Kanjou Spectrum
fucking love her works
>>2983976
I can't really think of another gay ship that's both strongly hinted/canon and also really popular.
Nezumi and Shion is a recent one that has some popularity and are canon but nowhere as popular as some fanon couples. Another recent one that was strongly hinted was Goto and Masayoshi but nobody watched SamFlam. Or going back into the 90's I guess there's Touya and Yukito but while CCS has always been pretty popular, the fandom of the pairing seemed pretty small to me.
Closest thing I can think of is Kotetsu and Barnaby, has some teasing in canon (and at least the authors kinda support it iirc?) and is extremely popular
I guess most fans just prefer fanon couples so they can have more freedom for their fanworks?
>>2985726
Rather, fanon couples often have better written relationships in canon than a lot of actual canon couples.
Take Touya and Yukito for example, while not poorly written, they're never a focus or fleshed out, Yue getting a flashback and that's about it.
If creators took popular fanon couples and made them canon, they'd probably still be popular, and in some obscurer cases more popular.
>>2985726
I don't know, Gon and Killua seems strongly hinted much of the time.
>>2985726
>I can't really think of another gay ship that's both strongly hinted/canon and also really popular
*cough*
>>2985733
Is it a ship if it's yaoi?
>>2985734
Anon cited nr. 6 which is yaoi, if you go by the western definition of the term.
>>2985735
I mean yaoi as a primary genre. The relationship is sort of a side thing to the main plot. Things like JJR focus mainly on the romance and sexual side of things. I mean I think the difference is someone saying that they ship, say, Buffy and Angel in Buffy the Vampire Slayer as opposed to Romeo and Juliet in Romeo and Juliet. In one, even though it's canon and a big plot point, it's not the whole show, and in the other, the main plot revolves around two characters who are obviously and unambiguously in love from the beginning and are the focus of all relationships in the work of fiction. Kind of a weird example, just saying that I'd say No. 6 is a sci-fi anime with a gay relationship, whereas Junjou is a gay relationship with some side points.
>>2985729
This. And since most male-male couples hail from a genre that apart from a few very good titles is still plagued with weepy ukes and big-ass hand creepy semes, add rape, add fluffiness; it follows that slashing mainstream couples can be more interesting than investing in clichés.
And then you have things that are shamefully playing with the BL fanbase while remaining canonically 'straight' and when done right it can be way hotter than most actual gay stuff and will also have more of a plot to boot.
Case in point, Adekan, image related.
what about Kyo Kara Maoh!. ?
It's a big cocktease from start to finish
>>2985726
>I can't really think of another gay ship that's both strongly hinted/canon and also really popular.
>>2985726
Having seen all these posts, I've got to say I disagree. Most hinted at pairing actually seem very popular. You have the obvious followings of the big yaoi/shonen-ai series like Junjou Romantica, and the smaller ones like No.6, so most shows that have canon gayness have following for the ships. And then things that have hinted gayness that clearly isn't canon and probably won't be like Hunter x Hunter and Kuroshitsuji get a fair bit of popularity, and even things with not much strong hints besides the occasional fujo bait like Naruto still become hugely popular. Really I think whenever the author/director puts any amount of subtext in the ship becomes quite popular, it's just that in reality there isn't a huge amount of canon/almost canon gay characters.
>>2985737
People don't care for that splitting hairs crap. Yaoi = men loving men. Nr. 6 is yaoi and ashit disappointing one, nobody watched it for the sci-fi.
>>2985799
Why so negative? I thought it was good except for the end.
>>2985828
Because it was shit. I hated it.
>>2985764
Adekan is boring shit and that page fails to interest me whatsoever.
>weepy ukes and big-ass hand creepy semes, add rape, add fluffiness
Yeah I love those. That's exactly by how I want to be raped. Puny men aren't worth shit.
>>2985799
>nobody watched it for the sci-fi.
This is true.
I didn't really care for it when I watched it.
When I first watched it I was not aware it was bl so it caught me by surprise.
>>2986088
So I started for the wifi but didn't really care for it and was only watching it to complete it.
>>2985726
I think that creators enjoy hinting at couples because that is what the fandom has been all along for decades, people drawing conclusions and attracting interest based on their personal role playing. It's like table top stuff or gaming, a sort of mental workout combined with the hormones of youth.
>>2986118
This is how I prefer things. I find most canon romances in the anime/comics/tv/movie medium to be hamfisted or tagged on, but shipping bullshit? Sign me the fuck up. It's shameful how much more mileage I can get out of a series because of it.
One thing I can't stand is ship bait with multiple sexes for the same character because they can't make up their mind who they want to pander to. Like the whole "I was just pretending to be gay" outcome series do.
>>2986173
but bisexuality though
>>2986175
That shit is never portrayed like bisexuality. It's just bad pandering.
>>2986177
true. i'm not saying it's well done, but i don't mind the idea hypothetically.
>>2986173
What I hate even more is when the character that we've been taught to perceive as gay is suddenly magically "cured" and becomes straight
>>2986187
Yeah, the "I was just pretending to be gay".
And sudden forced hetero when a character was previously exclusively pushed with a member of the same sex.
>>2986188
i wish there were more legitimate bisexuals in anime. the only real example i can think of is shinji.
>>2986195
You'll find some in manga. Miyamoto Kanou has at least one character who explicitly identifies as bisexual, namely Hikaru. Image related.
>>2986195
There are plenty in BL.
Paradise kiss.
George identifies as bi but we don't see him act on it.
His best friend is a transgendered woman.
[spoiler]I like to think they ended up together[/spoiler]
>>2981811
How was it?
Did you read anything else by the author?
>>2986591
All the bi characters I ever find are complete sluts though, George included
You know, I wonder why Love Stage is so popular with the straight male crowd. Or is it just my perception from personal experience? Most straight dudes I know got into Love Stage easier than other BL series.
>>2986602
I think the character looks cute or sthg.
I was intrigued because the character's eyes are strangely attractive
>>2986195
I think as long as the orientation is not explicitely stated you can assume all characters are bi
>>2986619
Not really.
>>2986594
Yeah, George was pretty slutty.
I'm having a pretty hard time finding anything with little boys being close with other little boys, but not in a sexually explicit way. The best I can find is Hunter x Hunter. Everything else is either porn, terrible artstyle, one of the boys looks like a girl, or the story revolves around a boyxgirl relationship/harem there just happens to be one other boy hidden in the support cast.
Black butler is nice too, but everyone seems to want to pair Ceil with Sebastian most of the time, and I'm not really about that.
>>2976782
some guys like to be cute and like other cute guys. can't we have some middle ground that's neither "two bears / muscleheads that that suck each other off at the gym and make steak for dinner" nor "lanky, bug-eyed creeps who swoon constantly and are surrounded by flowers everywhere they go"? and, while we're at it, make them actually interested in things besides sex. something like "a pair of male protagonists from generic romance stories fall in love with each other instead". something like pic related
I like Umibe no Etranger, it;s totally Tsuritama artstyle.
>>2987245
That'd be neat.
>>2986195
If you're looking for a manga that develops the bisexual angle then you might want to try Koi ga Bokura wo Yurusu Hani.
It's about two guys who are very much in love with each other, and know it, yet both keep girlfriends who are actually very relevant to the plot.
The manga goes in depth into notions of 'acceptable' love between males (seen as 'koi') as opposed opposide gender love (seen as 'ai'), hence the title that roughly translates as 'The Limits that Desire Allows Us'.
If I remember correctly only one of the guys identifes as bisexual but since both seem enjoy het sex quite a lot it is difficult to see them as actually gay.
There are a lot of spastic moments and more than once I wondered just what the girlfriends were thinking as they actively push the boys together but it remains a rare case of exploring the characters' fluid sexuality as opposed to just mentioning that a character is bi and then never exploring it.
But it is most definitely BL.
>>2987188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce2uW_T8Wmw
It's just ridiculous. I don't see how people think that Ciel and Sebastian have sexual innuendo.
>>2987261
No, I definitely know why they ship them, it's pretty much canon. I'm not complaining about the people who like it, I just personally don't really like Sebastian.
>>2987246
Anon, I will love you for ever if you have all the chapters and upload them on media or mega.
I know that it was completed a while ago and when I looked for them I could not find chapters 3 and 4
>>2987409
There's text translations for the raws on tumblr somewhere, and scanlations for the first 2 on batoto. I didn't even know that they were all completed or anything, sorry
>>2987257
I always wondered if there would be a real "bisexual harem" manga/anime series where both girls and boys (normal boys, not just a trap, but one would be nice too) were prospective characters. Probably won't happen though, no demographic. There's always Yamada!
Not BL but Genshiken Nidaime focuses on a super closeted character, it's pretty funny how deep in he is/was
>>2987480
Thanks
;_;
>>2977255
have you read bff comics, fruitloop and mr down beat or the less than epic adventures of tj and amal thouse are some realy good web comics
>>2986591
A lot of the time in BL it's just "oh I'm straight, you're the only exception". I know bisexuals exist sometimes, but a lot of the time it's just that kind of thing. My guess is that it's to target female readers who are the main demographic. This way you can have them believe there are guys like that who are primarily into girls, yet also have the hot guy on guy sex scenes that they buy it for.
>>2987245
>>2987589
It's not just that, it's to highlight just how strong the romantic attachment is. The idea is that even though someone is straight they still manage to feel so strongly about a person of the same gender that it overides sexual orientation.
Another example of a character that is probably bi is Kyouichi in The Cornered Mouse Dreams of Cheese and the sequel. While he never actually identifies as such (and oddly enough despite doing a lot of soul searching as to how he 'turned gay', it never crosses his mind that he may be bi) he has been married before and has only dated girls before Imagase who actually is gay.
>>2987606
You've got a point, I imagine that the strong romantic attachment is a part of it too.
>>2987606
>It's not just that, it's to highlight just how strong the romantic attachment is. The idea is that even though someone is straight they still manage to feel so strongly about a person of the same gender that it overides sexual orientation.
Anyone else hate when that happens. Idk its just unrealistic and weird. It feels like they think is more "pure" and special because they are only gay for each other
>>2987589
>"oh I'm straight, you're the only exception"
I think that type of story is more interesting and has more potential than just making the character a slut or a militant SJW bisexual with rainbow hair or sthg.
>>2987677
It's a BL trope used so girls don't feel rejected while they're reading gay stories that they only like because they feel too threatened by other women to read straight romance. It's often paired with the uke that's just a girl with a penis.
>>2987677
You don't have to make it a militant SJW pansexual otherkin, just don't make it such a thing he's all moaning about how he's an exception or how he's only ever been attracted to girls before. Just have him be attracted to guys and girls the whole time, and not make it a plot point that he's only ever been attracted to this one guy. I'm not a girl though, so like >>2987679 says, the main audience is girls and they like this shit.
>>2987637
I do not like it either but I realize it is a frequent trope. Personally, instead of being so concerned with 'purity' or whatever, I'd rather there was a greater focus on the consequences of being openly gay. It is a bit surprising that we do not see more of it, actually, as it could make for great melodrama.
If the author is so bent on showing how 'special' the love is then have the boys go through some hardship over being gay. Granted, this could easily derail into 'them evil straight folks' but if done right would add some well needed realism.
>>2987742
There are some series that kind of match what you're talking about.
There's a one shot called "Cherish" by Yoshizumi Wataru. The main story is het romance but the heroine has two dads. A large part of the plot is that she believes she was dumped by her boyfriend because she has gay parents and therefore has issues finding someone that'll accept her and her family. It's a sweet short story that treats the subject respectfully and there's a lesson on homophobia that isn't too in your face.
Then there's "New York New York" by Ragawa Marimo. It's follows the relationship of a closeted NYPD officer and a man with a troubled past. It's heavy with dark themes like rape, child abuse, attempted suicide, homophobia, and even includes hiv/aids. Sometimes it seems a bit melodramatic but overall it's a pretty realistic series.
I also like Fumi Yoshinaga's "What did you eat yesterday?" Cooking is the main focus but it gives a fun view into the everyday life of a gay couple and also a peek into the japanese gay community. Nothing too serious but again one of the men is closeted to the public and has parents that try to be supportive but are still uncomfortable with his homosexuality.
It makes sense why more stories don't have those sorts of things happen, because it's usually too heavy. I even know some guys who get pissed off at how too much RL gay stuff they watch are all tragedies and just want some happy feels instead.
I've also noticed some BL makes everybody somehow gay or just make it totally normal and accepted, because less drama. If they want drama they can add in some hot rival or something like that, so they can keep the romance angle going without it getting into feels bad man territory, even if it's cliched
On the bisexual thing, I've known guys firsthand who didn't even consider they weren't totally straight until they met "that one guy". Of course once they do they sometimes branch out a bit and expand their horizons, so that'd be nice to see too
>>2987771
Those sound pretty awesome, I'll get to them
>>2987781
I don't know, I like it when they make it normal and accepted as I find the type of drama that happens otherwise is boring. It's pretty dumb when they make everyone gay though.
>>2987771
I know that such series exist, I've even read myself, but I wish there was more of it. It does not in any way have to be the main focus or preclude a happy ending, I just find it much easier to feel for a relationship that is at least somewhat realistic.
A good example is No Touching At All where Shima's sexual orientation has caused him some grief in the past.
Even stranger is when the manga goes halfway and has or of the MCs freaking out over people finding out and/or angsting about how wrong same sex attration is only to have the entire cast being not only super supportive as gay as well.
>>2987781
I know of a rare counter example, a Korean manwha in which a lesbian and a gay guy end up hooking up after being rejected by their former lovers. It is not BL at all but it's another case of characters suddenly going against their previously established and self-idetifying sexual orientation.
Have any of you been so desperate for something that you started google translating pixiv fics?
>>2988515
Yes
Sometimes I even use http://www.i2ocr.com/free-online-japanese-ocr for images but it rarely ever works
How rule abiding would another thread like this be? I think it's been helpful and interesting and would probably cut down on newfag rec threads.
>>2988634
I enjoyed it so I'm not opposed
I don;t care for any of this realistic gay crap tbh. I'm a straight woman and I only want male/male smut that fulfills my fantasies and tastes, don't give a shit about anything else.
