What are your favorite /biz/ related tv shows or movies? What ones do you think are bullshit and lies?
Thoughts on "business" related shows like:
>Bar rescue
>Kitchen Nightmares
>Shark Tank
>All American Makers
>The Profit
>CNBC Documentaries
>Restaurant Impossible
>Undercover Boss
>Any of the other hundred shows about people begging for money for their failing business
And any others?
>>1015608
I love Bar Rescue. I love when he yells at the owners.
And of course my own opinion because dicks.
Top tier
>The Profit
>All American Makers
>(Certain) CNBC Documentaries
Mid Tier
>(The rest of) CNBC Documentaries
>Bloomberg Game Changers
>Undercover Boss
Shit tier
>Bar Rescue
>Kitchen Nightmares
>Restaurant Impossible
>Ect.
>Ect.
Just Fucking Stop Tier
>Shark Tank
I'm sure I'm forgetting some
>>1015611
cant tell if sarcasm or sarcasm.
>>1015608
>Bar rescue
Does anyone else get really pissed at how stupid and ignorant most of the owners/staff are?
I'd also add to your list
>Restaurant startup
Bullshit or not, there are some really great tips in most of those tv shows.
>>1015608
The Profit is pretty legit. Guy seems to really know what he's doing.
Shark Tank is kind of a joke. It's heavily edited to give you a certain impression.
Like edited to make someone look like a dope when they're not or vice versa.
I liked the first season of Kitchen Nightmares, when Ramsey was in the UK. The show didn't have such a ridgid formula and I thought it was much more interesting. All the other episodes it's just the same shit, diifferent place.
Only seen maybe 2 episodes of undercover boss and haven't seen any of the other ones mentioned.
>>1015696
>Does anyone else get really pissed at how stupid and ignorant most of the owners/staff are?
Yes, it's infuriating that those people got loans and start their business and all that have no idea what they're doing, or even just basic business etiquette or personal skills. Especially in a hospitality business.
>Restaurant startup
>Bullshit or not, there are some really great tips in most of those tv shows.
I'll have to check that one out.
I watch bar rescue while doing dishes/cleaning etc. I liked the first season and now it's gay...not any gayer than the first season but every episode has the exact same structure. It makes me feel less lonely though so whatever.
I worked in a handful shitty restaurants and bars with owners similar to those you'd see on the show. There's a good five minutes of crisis and confrontation which makes it worthwhile for me. I guess I like the intransigent owners and just hope they die.
pic related: me cleaning the sink drain
>>1015698
>The Profit is pretty legit. Guy seems to really know what he's doing.
Yeah, that seems to be the best VC/business assistance show on TV right now, I like that the show doesn't have shitty faux drama added, and that he almost never yells, he just calmly explains why you're a dense mother fucker.
>>1015716
>I watch bar rescue while doing dishes/cleaning etc
Yeah, it's good background noise, just not very good as a business show.
>>1015716
>but every episode has the exact same structure
Isn't it even more humiliating for the owners when there is pretty much a simple 5 step guide on how to fix your bar?
They can't even understand how important it is to keep the bar clean.
>>1015767
Maybe after the fact...most commonly the owners are dealing with denial issues and/or alcoholism which is another issue but makes shit worse. Complacence sets in and then they're just victims of unfortunate circumstances.
pic related: me with dirty dish water
>>1015777
>pic related: me with dirty dish water
that's riot punch made from incorrectly made drinks, not dishwater.
Think he ever sells that stuff to bums for some extra cash?
>>1015837
>I think he's making a follow up joke on his previous post buddy
Well shit, there I go being a fucking autist again
>Has anyone watched S02E01? The pirate bar episode?
Best episode, that woman was fucking insane, I'm surprised there wasn't a follow up with Taffer suing her for breech of contract or something else like that.
That one, the one with the owner that assaulted his employee, and the hippy woman who had the toy themed bar are the three best episodes.
>>1015608
If bar rescue taught me anything it's to keep families and friends away from business. Every 1 out of 4 episodes turned into a Dr. Phil therapy session.
I think most of those people opened a bar because they thought it would be fun or cool. There was some ex minor league baseball player in one episode that would save the fucking foam off of beer and reuse it. They then spent half the episode arguing over the name change because Tafford explained that rebranding was the only viable way to quickly disassociate any negative press but the fucking MLB star just had to undo all the work.
You can't fix retard.
>>1015837
The denial leads to self-victimization, to where one of them would say "circumstances" are why they are failing.
pic related: me in this thread
>>1015608
As a European I actually really enjoyed The Profit, it was a very typical American-esq production with those reaction shots with loud musical effects and filled to the brim with cheesy shots. But other than the persona-drama that apparently is needed to sell these shows to a broad audience, it was actually prety good. Educational too.
>Kitchen Nightmare
Well who'd have guessed firing the shit cook, throwing out the 80's interior, serving fresh and tastey food that you can make a profit off is really the key to making a successful restaurant!? Who the fuck would have known that after the 60 first episodes.
>Undercover Boss
Became more and more garbage over the years. Over produced, overly set up, it feels so fake it hurts.
>>1015875
>American-esq production with those reaction shots with loud musical effects and filled to the brim with cheesy shots.
European shows don't have those?
What do they use for time filler?
Can you really tell that a show is American/European based on things like that?
>>1015889
>Can you really tell that a show is American/European based on things like that?
At least here we have a lot less commercials during shows, and a LOT less breaks.
It's actually pretty funny watching American shows on TV here. They are not redubbed like they are in Germany, they just have subtitles. But it's really clear when the show was made to go on break (it's very clear in things like Simpsons and American Dad etc.) When it's reality shows like these, you get the random re-cap while you're watching the show, because it'd normally go to commercials in America, but just keeps going here.
I'm sure it's exactly the same when you pirate shows, you get those wierd "cuts" going to commercials, or random recaps throughout.
>What do they use for time filler?
Do you mean like in terms of content? I think the shows are just written differently, but we have a lot of local adpations (Undercover boss has its own versions in several countries).
In terms of streching shows here, we basically have two longer commercial breaks through the show, typical 3-6 minutes (which is long), instead of those annoying frequent short 1-2 minute breaks I assume you guys have.
>>1015858
You mean that mom&son toy bar? So retarded.
>>1015863
Seems like that because they surely can't hire a family member that is already successful in his life, so they hire the ones that aren't, thinking they'll change and work hard. Total disrespectful idiots 90% of the time.
>You can't fix retard
True
>>1015889
>Can you really tell that a show is American/European based on things like that?
Yes, most of the time
>>1015900
>You mean that mom&son toy bar? So retarded.
Yeah, where after John left they renamed the bar and changed everything, despite literally signing a contract saying they wouldn't.
Why wasn't there a lawsuit over that?
Stay away from reality tv.
Margin Call
Moneyball
Wizard of Oz
Wolf of wall street
Casino
The Big Short
Glengarry glen ross
The Queen of Versailles
Boiler Room
The One Percent
The Pursuit of Happyness
The rainmaker
also consider those
The social network
Ides of March
Up in the air
The Insider
Moneyball is by far my favorite. Read the books of Michael Lewis. They are very good. Also freakonomics and Planet money podcast. Weirdly enough, some comedians' podcasts offer a very honest alternative view of "making it".
conf. Marc Maron and louis CK interview, Patrice oneil on the hollywood machine on OandA, The monday morning podcast.
The single most important thing I got out of all of those is - DO NOT WORK FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
>>1015964
>Wizard of Oz
>The Pursuit of Happyness
>The rainmaker
>Ides of March
Could you explain why those are on the list?
>>1015970
It's good, but by no means anything to get business advice from (at least nothing you can't get in far better forms from other books/movies/ect)
The biggest issue is that the stories are too specific, while it says what Carnegie or Rockefeller did, it never expands on the general concept, just the specific situation.
Additionally most of the things in it are now illegal or "immoral" in the modern business environment.
>>1015966
>Could you explain why those are on the list?
Glad you ask.
>Wizard of Oz
Parable about monetary policy and central banking.
>The Pursuit of Happyness
Most people who engage on the path of working very hard for themselves, their business and be successful will undergo extremely tough periods. This is film is motivational and puts you relative misery in persepctive.
>The rainmaker
Its about a broke young lawyer from a no name university with no connections, no clients and an extremely strong sens of ethics. The film reminds me that Machiavellian behavior isn't the only road to success. Also chicken/egg problem. How do I get clients if I have no track record?
>Ides of March
One word to describe this fucking film. LEVERAGE. When making deals, getting hired, deciding on picking a university, an employer, its always about leverage. Skill, money, network what do you have to offer that the counter-party cant offer?
In this film the protagonist constantly deals with this problematic until the very end where he has to make a decision.
>>1015977
Glengarry Glen Ross is great too
>>1015970
Haven't seen it. But to be frank I don't like the history channel.
Also I tend to stay away from the randian obsession of looking up to the great early industrialists and make them role models.
I very much dislike those men as they kind of helped define the current era of money-controlled politics. The sole purpose of their philanthropic effort is vanity or preventing discontent etc..
One of the very few I actually like and believe was a good man is Milton Hershey.
If I look at the billionaires of the current era all I can see are wolves in sheep's clothing. zuckerberg can pledge all the dough he wants it's not going to help me forget he constantly schemes to bring the market value of computer specialists down, collects and sells user data, does everything he can to monopolize his industry and gets involved in the US foreign policy to further facebook's goals.
Same with google etc..
>>1015608
Bar Rescue's hilarious to me because Jon pretends like bar employees should be invested in the business at all.
Bar employees are typically mercs seeking the best tips in the least shitty bar they can get paid to work in.
>>1015980
The fuckin' leads
>>1015875
>so tell me about yourself
>immediate tears and sob story every time
Overly set up? What are you talking about?!?!
