>>694588830
If you met an alien what would be the first thing you say to it?

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>>694588830
why cant I understand it

>>694588830
how many dicks have you sucked to get your faggotry degree

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>>694588830
Philosophy. The class where everything's made up and the points don't matter

>>694589007
I don't think I would talk to it. It wouldn't understand. I'd grab the nearest pile of things, and make small piles next to each other, from 1 (which is not a pile, I know) to 10. Maybe it would understand that I can count, and therefore that I'm an intelligent form of life like itself.

Please, excuse any errors I make: English is not my native tongue.

>>694589240
Why can't you understand what?

>>694589342
None. But it didn't gave me a lot of pussies to taste either.

>>694589378
That pretty sums it up. The points matter for graduating, though.

How does it feel to teach a class where everything is bullshit?

I had to take a philosophy class college, and it was the worst thing ever. The only bright point is that the professor was a bit too broad in his requirements for the final paper. I wrote 20 pages on how everything in the class was a total waste of everyone's time, and how I hadn't paid the slightest bit of attention, BS'd the homework, and would forget the professor's name the second grades were posted. However, because it was a well written philosophical treatise, he had no choice but to grade it in a manner appropriate to the arguments given. I aced the paper and the class.

mfw I used philosophical methods and language to debunk philosophy. Fortunately I remember none of it now.

>>694590043
I don't know how philosophy is studied in you country. Are you from the US? I understand that it is quite nonsensical over there. Here, we are not required to say what we think (because, you know, teenagers tend to think a whole load of bullshit), but to study philosophers. Which is hard, and not as stupid as it may sound. But I grant you, there are too many bad teachers that love "letting the students express themselves" in the name of philosophy, which is, indeed, complete bullshit.

>>694590043
haha kys

>>694590373
from ?

>>694590510
France.

>>694588830
where is the contradiction of Zizek (a pronounced Lacanist) and Lacan

>>694590562
haha. knew it ! Are/were you a Normalien ?

>>694588830
do you often close all windows on a very hot day , so that female students can start sweating and taking off their clothes while you massage ur dick behind ur desk

>>694590573
I don't know enough about the two of them to tell you, sorry.

>>694588830
Which ethical system do you believe in?

>>694588830
Do you feel bad about selling hobby degrees with a future of unemployment and barista work to moronic college students whose lives will be ruined by the debt the accrue getting this degree that has no job future?

>>694590675
I'm also interested in what this homosexual individual said.

>>694588830
whats on the curriculum right now

>>694590640
Nope, I failed the exam. But I'm an agrégé, though.

>>694590675
No, but I wish. Well, in fact, being a male teacher (and a philosopher at that), makes you automatically sexier if you're not a lardass. It's hard to respect the rules, but I love having a job and this job particularly.

>>694588830
What is your opinion on the free will and determinism paradox.

1.whats the point in life

2.why does it feel meaningless

3.why is everyone OK with living life in a constant loop everyday

>>694588830
How to achieve happiness in life?
What's the point of life anyways?
How to achieve that point of life?
Can I even do something about achieving anything? Is there free will?

>>694588830
>Ask a philosophy teacher anything.

Did you ever consider getting a real job?

>>694590373
I'm from the US. We studied a number of philosophers and discussed our thoughts on what they wrote, expressed how certain ethical quandaries could be solved using each of their methodologies. Don't get me wrong, it was a serious study of the subject. IMO the professor was a good teacher, I just put a shit ton of work into not caring.

A/S/L?

>>694588830
what is the modern philosophic community's opinion of people who go through religious experiences and their philosophic conclusions?

>>694590767
I don't know, honestly. I'd say that the stoics and Descartes are those I prefer. Too many people disregard Descartes's view on morals, although it's pretty damn solid.

>>694590824
I'm in France, not in the US. We don't have to get indebted to study. I'm a high school teacher, though. I don't sell hobby degrees; they're required to take my class.

>>694590867
What curriculum? Bear in mind I'm not American.

>>694588830
Why?

Favorite philosopher? What do you think about Marx and Nietzsche? You ever get any neckbeards jizzing in their pants over them?

>>694591056
define "real" define "job" faggot

>>694591187
France, the land where presidential barbers get paid 10000€/month.

>>694591034
are dumb ... philosophy is an exact science about the philosophical movements in a historic perspective... noone can answer you that, idiot

>>694591187
What's a 19 worth in the baccalauréat exam of philosophy ?

>>694591187
What is evolution?

Religious belief?

>>694590939
That's not really a question, asked like that. I'd say that I believe (and I say: believe) inf free-will. If you're interested, Kant wrote something pretty cool to untagle this paradox in his first Critic. I could give you the references if you like.

>>694590969
1. Fucking her right in the pussy?

2. Because you don't fuck her enough.

3. Because everybody hopes to fuck her some more in her pussy some day.

>>694591034
I don't know. Be cool? Don't ask yourself questions that cannot be answered? Aim for tranquillity, and not for vainglory? I don't think that life has a point. Death, perhaps. Salvation and stuff, if you're into these kind of things. I do believe there is free-will, so I'd say that, if free-will is the power you have upon you own will, resolve yourself to do what you want to do. Resolution is the masterkey. It may be one of the few things you're the only master of.

>>694591056
Nope. I'm happy getting paid to talk, read and write.

>>694591187
what were your lectures/seminars about last month? curriculum is an international word for fuck sake... guess it's exams time right now (revisions) at least here in Germany.

>>694591098
Ok, I get it. i did the exact same thing when I was in college. College sucked, to be frank. I started to work before college (in classes préparatoires, a thing specific to France, more or less a prep school) and after, when I had to work the competitive exam in order to become a teacher.

>>694591121
I won't answer.

>>694591181
There is no such thing as the modern philosophic community's opinion insofar as there is no modern philosophic community. You'd get a whole bunch of different answers; and I don't know them all.

>>694588830
Why do you push antiphilosophy like marxism/nihilism on ignorant and naive children? And do you posses enough genuine consciousness to feel bad about deliberately contributing to the downfall of not only civilized society but also man itself?

>>694588830
why?

>>694592085
Thank you for clarifying. Can you tell me the answers that you do know?

>>694588830
What is the future of /b/? And why have it changed so much since its beginning?

>>694591200
'Cause, faggot.

>>694591206
Marx is hard, harder than many marxists seem to think. But he's very interesting. Nietzsche is cool -in fact he was the first philosopher I read (but he's really harder than he looks). I don't have a favorite philosopher; maybe a few: Plato, Montaigne, Descartes, Spinoza, Nietzsche. I'm not really into contemporary philosophers. I like old books.

>>694591343
Yep, my country regularly brings me shame.

>>694591495
In France? Not much. It's cool, I grant you; but the baccalauréat is worth shit.

>>694591520
A brilliant scientific theory?

>>694592397
What is Change?

>>694591795
Malebranche and Spinoza. So, XVIIth century philosophers. Is Malebranche well known outside of France?

>>694592519
no but bear in mind your on the right spot her on /b . everyone is either a student , doctor,engineer or god

>>694592397
>but he's really harder than he looks
No shit, Nietzsche is easily the most misunderstood or outright misrepresented philosopher in at least western history.

>>694588830
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself?

>>694592111
I don't push it, I'm required to do so. Still, I don't do it until the end of the year, and I pick precise subjects on which they have written precise stuff. I don't like my students going away with platitudes.

>>694592251
I can't be precise, since I don't read much contemporary philosophers. Analytic philosophers tend to believe those kind of experience are but an error: we believe something has happened, because we have words to talk about it. Alas, words fail us: there are words that don't talk about anything, and that are complete nonsense. We use them because we do not take the time to clarify our way of talking, in order to debunk those kind of words. Since we don't debunk them, we build fantastical and imaginary worlds around those words. Religion is one of them.

>>694592262
It will last for ever, and will get shittier and shittier, because tourism destroys everything, while preserving it.

>>694588830
Is Husserl an elaborate practical joke by philosophy professors? It's like... a single sentence four pages long with no verbs, and then all the verbs at the end, all in a row, so you have to reverse through the whole sentence again picking out which predicate clauses match up with which verbs. I've read the CoPR. I'm not a moron. But Husserl make me cry.

>>694592477
What?

>>694592816
I do agree.

>>694593032
Can a hotdog eat anything?

>>694588830
>Ask a philosophy teacher anything.
Do you teach how to make those cool patterns in coffee foam?

>>694593109
Husserl makes me cry too. That's why I tell myself that one fine day I will put myself into reading him for real. Until that time comes, I feel a bit like you. I read him in French, though. Weird sentences still, but not as you describe them.

>>694593304
Of course.

>>694593385
I think the version I... well, I didn't read it, I guess "looked at with a glazed expression" would be more accurate, was a literal translation from German.

>>694590043
Lolol, you are such a super awesome rebel. I bet you feel amazing knowing that you made it through school without developing any useful skills. I bet you work a retail job.

How much do you get paid?

>>694593601
Around 2000€. How much is it in dollars?

>>694592477
When something that was once observed as one way, observed at another time appears different.

Not OP

>>694588830
Can you explain the difference between dasein and lebenswelt? As a Kantian, they both ontologically seem to me to be describing the mental abstraction created after-the-fact in our experience of the world as translated through schema, but I am assured they're very different. If they're different, I can't see it.

>>694593790
$2223
is that monthly? Doesnt sound like alot

>>694588830
What do you prefer, Frozen o Antz?

>>694593061
>tourism destroys everything while preserving

Thats a biased opinion, some people like shemales, potassium, and circlejerking memes. What is shit to one is gold to the other.

>>694594076
It's all a circle jerk that doesn't explain anything. None of philosophy holds up when compared to actual history and human experience.

>>694594087
He's a fucking philosophy teacher not a god damn plastic surgeon.

less favorite philosopher?

>>694594586
Im a cleaner and make 400 less month.

Hey philosophy buddy ! I'm in Master 2 (à la Sorbonne et j'en ai marre) currently and struggling to do my mémoire. Any tips on methodology, how to make my problématique and my plan ?

I'm so stuck you wouldn't believe. Thanks

What is deconstruction?

>>694595438
Probably some bullshit to make you believe we're nothing more than animals.

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>>694594479
Not OP, but I had an experience which is illuminating. About 20 years ago, I ran a D&D campaign which lasted for 8 years, so we had a lot of people float in and out of the group. One fellow was particularly stupid and didn't last long, but he was roleplaying a mage with 18 super-genius intelligence, and I'll never forget the experience.

The way he roleplayed intelligence was to state obvious things numerous times in different ways using large, inappropriate words: "I perceive a door before me. It is possessed of the woodness quality of doorness, such that it cannot be easily ensmashulated."

And it dawned on me eventually that this was how stupid people really perceived smart people. You really do believe philosophy is valueless because, to you, with your, erm, humble intellectual capacity can't understand what's really being said. It just sounds like obvious things being stated over and over again with unnecessarily large words.


TL;DR - u dum

OP accède à ma demande stp >>694595393

J'ai besoin d'un point de vue extérieur je suis un peu dans la merde

>>694595438
You ever heard of Derrida?

>>694596459
>have you read X?
>every philosopher's response.doc

OP t'es où ?

Pensez-vous que le Grinchisme est un humanisme?
Voire de l'humanitarisme?

>>694594076
i don't speak German, I don't know what it means. I'm sorry. Be sure they are different, though. We're talking about Kant. Check the Kant Lexicon, it could help you.

>>694594087
It is monthly. It is not much, but it is enough to live with ease.

>>694594160
I don't like cartoons.

>>694594392
It's true. But I despise this kind of people.

>>694594479
There ARE philosophers that think like you, you know.

>>694594597
I don't know. Kant? He's a genius, but I don't like him, plain and simple. I enjoy reading him, though: he baffles me everytime.

>>694595393
J'ai fait mon mémoire en deux semaines en août à la campagne. Je n'avais ni problématique, ni plan --j'ai tout trouvé une fois l'essentiel rédigé. Te bile pas, j'étais à la Sorbonne, et c'est un peu n'importe quoi. Tu bosses sur quoi ? Avec qui comme directeur ?

>>694595438
Something Derrida wrote about, that I don't know much about. Again, not really a contemporary philosophy fan.

>>694596815
Je réglais des trucs administratifs. J'ai posé quelques questions, histoire de voir si t'es bien dans la merde ou non. Probablement pas, note.

>>694596922
Un humanitarisme plus qu'un humanisme. C'est le côté bien crado de l'humanitaire qu'on retrouve dans l'obsession du Grinch.

You must not be a philosophy teacher because you ve never heard of structuralism, poststructuralism and deconstruction

The one that has to die
Dresses in black silk
But the one that sees the bad of wanting
Tells himself : we always have to destroy

>>694596963
Je bosse sur le refus de la technique avec Renaut.

Donc ce que tu me dis c'est de faire un premier jet et d'étoffer et de structurer ensuite ?

>>694597143
I've heard of them, I use to be fond of structuralism, but I haven't read much postructuralist philosophers. It's just not my thing. And that is not what I'm paid to teach.

>>694596963
>c'est un peu n'importe quoi
Certes, c'est pour ça aussi que je me suis vraiment découragé.
Les vicissitudes de ton métier te cassent pas trop les couilles ?
Et combien de temps avant que ce putain de CNU ne te laisse enseigner en fac ?

>>694597265
I can accept that.

>>694595832
Nah. I understand what they are saying just fine. It's just that they don't know any better than anybody else. They just hide it behind a lot of complex language.

>>694597198
Je vais te dire comment j'ai fait. J'ai pas de méthode miracle, mais j'espère que mon expérience t'éclairera. J'avais principalement deux textes sur lesquels bosser : le Léviathan de Hobbes, et le livre de Job (je bossais sur leur parallèle). J'ai lu et lu et relu ces deux livres, en prenant des dizaines et des dizaines de pages de notes brutes (simplement recopier telle ou telle phrase, telle ou telle expression).

Une fois que tout a bien été pris en note, j'ai relu mes notes, et tenté de faire des rapprochements : tiens, telle phrase de Hobbes va bien avec telle phrase de la Bible ; tiens, j'avais pas vu ce rapport entre ces deux chapitres à première lecture ; tiens, ces phrases fonctionnent de la même façon, etc.

C'est lors de cette seconde étape que j'ai eu mon illumination : deux phrases quasiment identiques, sauf sur la fin : Hobbes donnait deux définitions différentes du droit de nature ; ou plutôt, il en donnait une seule, mais modifiée de deux manières différentes. Avec un truc aussi ténu, je me suis lancé dans la rédaction.

D'abord, avec ce petit truc que j'ai trouvé, j'ai rédigé grossièrement ce que ça impliquait, de rabattre ces deux phrases l'une sur l'autre. Ensuite, j'ai essayé de donner la démonstration de chacune de ces définitions. Puis j'ai tenté de rabattre les deux démonstrations l'une sur l'autre. A ce stade, j'avais le gros de mon mémoire. Le plus dur était fait.

Après ça, il s'est agi de tout remettre en forme : comment arriver jusqu'à ce que j'avais déjà écrit ? Dans quel ordre présenter la philosophie de Hobbes pour en arriver là ? Qu'est-ce que j'avais besoin de définir au préalable ? Qu'est-ce qui était nécessaire ? Superflu ? Ce qui m'a par conséquent donné la première partie de mon mémoire : tout ce dont j'avais besoin pour poser le problème que j'avais résolu. La suite dans un autre message.

>>694597143
In most American philosophy departments (I'm aware OP is not American), these topics aren't touched on at all.

>>694597198
La deuxième partie consistait à poser le problème (ces deux définitions, leur démonstration, les raisons pour lesquelles on peut rabattre deux à deux les définitions et les explications). La troisième tentait de résoudre le problème : comparer bout à bout, mot à mot les deux définitions (et leur explication, etc.), jusqu'à, ô magie, retrouver quelque chose du livre de Job. Et ainsi rabattre le Léviathan sur le livre de Job. Cette dernière partie a été écrite d'une traite, sans même prendre de notes.

Après ça, relecture sur relecture pour chasser toutes les fautes, et mettre de l'ordre dans tout ça (chapitrage, notes de bas de page, etc.). Et puis rédaction d'une jolie introduction et d'une conclusion qui claque et qui --comme c'est bizarre-- correspondent exactement a tout ce qui a déjà été rédigé.

Après, je dis ça, mais j'ai eu un directeur qui avait oublié que j'existais, ça aide. Je sais pas comment est Renaut.

>>694597884
D'accord. Mais lorsqu'il s'agit de centrer un sujet ?
Et c'est noté pour la première partie en tous cas. Cela dit je n'ai encore résolu que peu de problèmes, si ce n'est celui de la possibilité du refus de la technique (qui n'existe pas à mon sens)

Did you have idealized fantasies, as a philosophy student, that poverty wouldn't suck?

>>694597414
Je veux pas bosser à la fac. C'est un panier de crabe. Si tu savais les horreurs fangeuses qui se déroulent en secret... C'est un vrai monde de putes. Au moins, au lycée, t'as l'administration, le ministère (et si t'as pas de bol, ton proviseur ou tes collègues) sur le dos, mais c'est pas grand chose. Les vicissitudes, comme tu le dis, me les brisent modérément : j'ai des couilles en acier trempé. J'essaye de pas me faire remarquer du ministère, et je fais mes cours comme bon me semble (il me semble que je ne manque pas d'autorité, ce qui aide).

>>694598285
Tu bosses sur quel auteur ? T'as lu un peu Ellul ? En matière de philosophie "conceptuelle", dirons-nous, c'est pauvre, mais ça donne plein de bonnes petites intuitions, qui vont d'ailleurs dans ton sens. Qu'est-ce que tu entends par "centrer sur un sujet" ?

>>694598367
I did. But I'm not poor, so I wouldn't know.

>>694588830
why is OP a faggot?

>>694598872
Because fucking your shemale of a mother makes me one.

>>694598247
>tout ce dont j'avais besoin pour poser le problème
>poser le problème
>résoudre le problème
D'accord, j'en prends bonne note.

Renaut a également oublié que j'existais. Mais bon j'ai redoublé uniquement pour le mémoire, et je ne l'ai toujours pas fait, donc je lui donne de bonnes raisons on va dire.

Merci des conseils, ça me rassure. Je perds pied facilement.

Quant à >>694598464, c'est un point de vue respectable. Il faut être un sacré requin pour réussir à la fac, ou bien faire son trou pendant 10 ans en tant que chargé de TD en plus du lycée. Et j'en ai un peu entendu parler par un cousin qui se meut bien dans ce milieu (plus jeune agrégé blabla), et franchement c'est à celui qui se fait le plus remarquer que va tout le mérite.

>>694598664
Ces auteurs sont très intéressants, mais ils parlent de la technique en elle-même alors que j'essaie de parler de son refus ; c'est le noeud du problème. Il faut que je travaille autour de la technique constamment, et que je la traite comme un sujet de société plus qu'autre chose finalement.

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>>694597831

One more time
I ask you
A question
What you want
To say you are
Because you write
On this chan

>>694588830
OP, I listened to the Philosophize This podcast, and realized I feel like nothing after Epicurus appeals to me. It feels like he might not have had it all figured out, but he was on the right track, and after him, humanity took a seriously wrong turn and racing down that path ever since.

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>>694589394
Lucky for you two I was reading this infographic I got from 4chan this morning. And it's been on my mind. So here's a legit answer to that alien communication question.

>>694598944
Eh bien Ellul, justement, ne parle de la technique que pour la refuser. C'est pamphlétaire, par moment. Ca peut te donner des idées. Lis son premier bouquin, même en diagonal, pour voir. Dans les derniers chapitres je crois me rappeler qu'il parle précisément du fait qu'une fois la technique en place, on ne peut plus la refuser.

Je t'en prie, c'est bien normal de filer un coup de main. Perds pas pied, ça n'en vaut pas la peine. Je ne sais pas comment est Renaut à l'oral, mais ça devrait bien se passer. C'est plus une formalité qu'autre chose, la soutenance.

Tiens tu pourrais lire aussi La France contre les robots, de Bernanos. Tu y trouverais quelques paradoxes piquants qui pourraient t'être utiles, si tu cherchais à les démêler. De toute façon la "problématique" ça veut pas dire grand chose : c'est surtout un ou plusieurs paradoxes qu'il s'agit de résoudre. Tout mon mémoire reposait sur un seul paradoxe : comment Hobbes peut-il soutenir à la fois que le droit de nature est ce dont dispose naturellement les hommes pour vivre, et qu'il est ce dont Dieu se sert pour gouverner les hommes. Ce qui m'a conduit à montrer, à la suite de Zarka, Crignon et Milanese, que l'État est la résolution du paradoxe ontologique de l'état de nature. Or, l'État, d'un point de vue religieux/moral/politique (ce qui est presque équivalent chez Hobbes) joue le même rôle que le Léviathan dans le livre de Job : Dieu l'envoie pour faire bien fermer sa gueule à Job, ce qui assure à ce dernier la paix et la félicité, c'est-à-dire (en termes hobbésiens) la conservation de soi. Bref, un petit paradoxe de rien du tout m'a fait tenir la centaine de pages requise. Lâche pas le bon bout quand tu le tiens.

>>694599289
Wtf?

>>694599551
It happens to me from time to time. Epicurus is kind of badass, I grant you. Have you read Lucrece? It's a clever elaboration upon Epicurus's doctrine.

>>694599793
Funny, I took the idea of small arithmetic piles from a similar infographic years ago!

>>694599793
This immediately upholds the misconception that animals are not self aware.

Animals that are not self aware would not survive long enough to reproduce. Self-awareness clearly a spectrum.

>>694600149
Oh, thanks fir the reminder. I meant to and forgot. will check it out.

>>694600149
The one who reads it shall not believe

I really like philosophy especial shit like platos cave and stuff like that. Can you recommend some things I can read that aren't too dense and maybe enjoyable reads? Seems like Plato and Aristotle and Socrates were god tier philosophers and would like to know more about their philosophies

>>694599904
Je vais me replonger là-dedans. Ça fait longtemps que je ne les ai pas lus, mais c'est la base de mon sujet tu as raison, je te remercie.

Quant à ton travail, comment tu as conclu ? Parce que pour moi le droit de nature chez Hobbes est transformé dans l'Etat, ce n'est plus exactement le même non ? Putain j'ai vraiment tout oublié je crois. Heureusement que les études sont bientôt finies, je vais pouvoir me replonger là-dedans avec bonheur cette fois.

Tu écris un peu pour toi autrement ? Si tu trouves le temps du moins

Why is Fraz Kafka lumped together with existencial philosophers?

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Philosophy figs contact me on Telegram @mollymawk

Want some philosophy peeps

>>694600182
True, no animal not self-aware would have a need for fear, laughter, emotional mechanisms at all, or mating rituals & altruism, or seasonal migrations. They would just wander around randomly with no concept of danger, predators, or the impending doom of winter, and die out almost immediately.

>>694594087
>$2223
>is that monthly? Doesnt sound like alot
It is not bad, I only made a bit more than that last week.

>>694589378

I'm another Philosophy teacher (PhD, and a JD to boot), and you seem to have had a shitty philosophy experience. My apologies on behalf of my erstwhile profession.

The best way to understand philosophy, at least in the analytic tradition, is that it's in the same business as science. That is, both are concerned with figuring out reasons to believe things. Scientists are concerned about what we should believe empirically speaking, and philosophers are concerned with everything else.

>>694598944
Au fait, si jamais tu veux passer l'agrégation et que tu peux te le permettre : ne la prépare pas à Paris, va à Dijon. Je sais, ça paraît bizarre, mais c'est excellent. Je l'ai préparée là-bas, avec de très, très bons professeurs, et le fait d'être très peu (contrairement à Paris) permet d'être entraîné à fond en même temps que dorloté par les profs.

>>694600262
You're welcome. Have a nice reading!

>>694600412
You could read Plato's Phaedrus, and the trilogy formed by the Apology, Crito and Phaedo. You could read the first two books of Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics as well as his Politics and maybe the first book of his Metaphysics. That's already a few (short) books to read. Check Epicurus too: what's left of his complet works is short, but goddamn good. Marcus Aurelius Meditations is a go, too (that, or the Enchiridion of Epictetus).

>>694588830

Why?

>>694592477
Change is What

>>694601238
Je m'y suis préparé il y a deux ans (Marx et Platon, le phénomène) et les profs étaient bons à Paris 4. Je me suis découragé cela dit et je ne suis pas allé aux épreuves.

Bon cela dit je vais réfléchir à ça. Ton idée n'est pas si mauvaise à vrai dire, même si en la préparant à Paris tu te fonds dans la masse des intégrants.

>>694597831

The complex language is for precision. They're terms of art used for specificity. Most of the problems themselves can be easily explained in plain english in a couple of sentences. The reason you have to resort to technical language is because plain english is imprecise, and a large part of philosophy is just figuring out what the hell people are asking when a question is posed.

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>>694590824
lol exactly right sir!

>>694600800
It;s generally hypothesized that some cultures of humans developed the idea that only humans are self-aware or conscious, to help them deal with killing and eating everything they come across. It makes explaining to your 8 year old why it's okay to wound a big animal and then slit its throat while it looks you in the eye and panics and cries and screams through the gurgling blood, if you explain that it's not as it seems, and it's really just an unthinking piece of meat that god put here for us to eat this way.

It helps that kids generally believe their parents at that age, and are too stupid to ask why a god capable of creating the entire universe had the foresight to create food that grows on trees and plants, but then made this food so difficult and messy to harvest.

>>694600530
Ce serait un poil trop long de tout expliquer ici, donc je vais la faire courte et sale. Le gros problème de Hobbes, c'est ce qu'il a vécu : la guerre civile en Angleterre. Il a d'ailleurs écrit un bouquin qui la raconte, cette guerre : le Béhémoth. Autrement l'autre monstre que Dieu envoie à Job dans la Bible. Le principe du Léviathan, on le connaît : comment la société est-elle possible ? Pour le trouver, Hobbes décompose la société en éléments "présociaux", les individus, et en bon mécaniste, il montre comment tels quels, les individus arrivent à une situation contradictoire : la guerre de tous contre tous. Or, cette contradiction est intenable : d'abord parce qu'elle signifie que ce que veut chaque individu l'entraîne dans une situation qu'il ne peut tout simplement pas vouloir, puisque c'est la mort assurée, ensuite parce que, tout bêtement, eh bien on ne vit pas à l'état de nature. Autrement dit : le droit de nature conduit à *vouloir* sortir de l'état de nature. Si l'état de nature est une pure fiction heuristique, c'est aussi une image de ce qui afflige Job, dans la Bible : une situation intenable, ou le meilleur des hommes ne saurait résister. La suite au prochain message.

>>694588830
what is your interpretation of the meaning of life?

not asking how but why?

>>694588830
Is it you again, frenchfag? I enjoyed your thread couple of days ago.
>Bonsoir Monsieur!

>>694600530
Parce que c'est quoi, le livre de Job ? L'histoire d'un sale pari entre Dieu et le diable. Le diable parie qu'en foutant la misère à Job, le plus pieux des hommes, il en viendra à renier Dieu. Dieu n'y croit pas, donc prend le pari ; avec une condition : le diable peut tout faire, sauf s'en prendre physiquement à Job. C'est ce qu'on retrouve dans la notion corporaliste de l'individu chez Hobbes : l'individu, c'est avant tout ce qui est affecté de l'extérieur, mais sur lequel on n'a aucune puissance directe. Et c'est justement une puissance indirecte qui va s'en prendre à tous les individus pour les "faire sortir" de l'état de nature : le souverain, autrement dit le Léviathan. Pourquoi parler d'une puissance indirecte ? La suite au prochain message.

>>694588830
Are there any reasons why a Dualist view of the mind should be taken seriously? All the stuff I have read seems to rely too heavily on religion, and too heavily apeals to the soul.

>>694601671
lol

Humans are a mostly stupid species of barely sentient savage apes.

>>694600530
Indirecte, parce qu'elle se fait en deux temps : c'est le fameux principe d'autorité de Hobbes. Selon lui, l'autorité consiste à se scinder en deux : l'auteur et l'acteur. L'auteur a l'autorité : il parle ; et l'acteur exécute. Comme au théâtre, quoi. Or, puisque tous les individus ne peuvent que vouloir sortir de l'état de nature --ou pour le dire autrement, puisqu'aucun individu ne peut vouloir de cette situation d'égalité intenable, alors ils vont tous se mettre d'accord pour trouver une situation d'inégalité qui leur permette à chacun de bien vivre. C'est le pacte, que Hobbes déduit du droit de nature, justement. Et ce pacte consiste à faire jouer l'autorité. Comment ? La suite, etc.

>>694588830

do you think knowledge of philosophy is beneficial to everyone and should be a subject in university specialisation or is it just an interest which you can perfectly do without?

Also, If someone who has never been exposed to philopsophy wants to increase his knowledge on the subject, where would you suggest he starts ? just read a philospohy 101 book or just start reading work by a philosopher?

>>694602239
Ah mais voilà, ça me revient. Ok, j'attends la conclusion du raisonnement.