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>>693453840
Undertale.

>>693453934
earthbound >>>

the series that is

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>>693454099
I'll give earthbound credit for being the only reason undertale exists, but it's not nearly as well designed. It's just meta enough that the player forgets he's still playing an RPG.

a jRPG, even.

>>693454174
>It's just meta enough that the player forgets he's still playing an RPG

undertale or the mother serires?


>not nearly as well designed
how so?

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>>693454397
Mother series. I was referring to earthbound in particular but I guess I could throw mother 3 into this as well.

Outside of suffering from the perennial jRPG curse of being too fucking long, the mother series doesn't deviate far enough from the anemic mechanical design of the turn based hegemony of its time. Additionally, like almost all video games with any sort of narrative focus, the actual storytelling is nonparticipatory.

>>693454625
so what makes undertale non-meta?

the "dynamic" story approach?

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>>693454783
Undertale is meta as fuck dude, it thrives on it. But yes, the nonlinear narrative is the dealmaker for me. I also appreciate that it decided to take mechanical inspiration from somewhere other than turn based borefests.

>>693455016
I enjoy the story far more in the Mother series than undertale.

I enjoy the turn based and the rhythmic attacks much more than the galaga game play in undertale.

Do you just play it for the game play?

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>>693455348
I'm talking about a critical appraisal here rather than the personal pleasure I get from the game. I like playing skyrim and skyrim is fucking terrible.

The reason I think undertale's story is inherently better than almost any other video game story is because it is respondent to your decision making, and indeed to your mechanical decision making rather than merely narrative yes/no pathing. Whether the storylines possible in undertale are better from a sheer writing perspective than the those in the mother series is more subjective, but the difference in critical quality is the presentation.

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>>693453427 (SF)
Too much of the early plot is Vaan for him to be a total afterthought
Especially since another character, Penelo, is only connected to him

>>693453840 (kaldis)
EUIV is more about very long-term strategy than anything else. Everything you do needs to be set up in advance.

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>>693456295
I have in fact watched all of FFXII on youtube so I'm aware of this. Still, the opening plot being about vaan doesn't mean he wasn't tacked on - since that just means the opening sequences of the game were designed afterwards.

>>693455578
what is the point of arguing for other people's sake when we are talking about personal opinions?

and having a story dependent on your decisions is hardly an aspect to praise to have. It hardly ever pays off. Especially when there is only three endings to undertale iirc.

I dont think any game could ever live up to the expectations of Chrono Trigger with multiple endings.

>>693456295
is it like Risk?

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>>693456461
Possibly but those opening sequences go on for quite some time, all the way up to Penelo's rescue

I think it's more likely the subplot with his brother was supposed to go somewhere and just... didn't

I dunno, it was a mess. We did get Balthier and his sexy, sexy voice though. Gideon Emery could narrate a fucking recipe book and I would listen to it.

>>693456662
Ultra-Mega-Extreme-Turbo Risk, maybe
Far more complicated, given colonization, diplomacy, money and such

Diplomacy alone is massive. Lots of options

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>>693456662
Because I think there is good game design that should be aimed for and there is bad game design that should be not.

More is not better necessarily with regard to endings. Or rather, it is, but the number doesn't matter if the nature of them isn't interesting. Chrono trigger's endings are basically determined by when you choose to fight the final boss upon his becoming available, which is clever just because it's literally a game about time travel but doesn't exactly compare to undertale's more direct realization of consequences through gameplay.

Also, undertale has more than three endings. Neutral/genocide/true pacifist are the generally understood ones, but neutral has a ton of variations within itself.

>>693456868
Man balthier is sex.

>>693456868
is it a more in depth version of Civ?

>>693456990
I guess it comes down to personal preference then

So do you choose to play Undertale just for the gameplay? Because no matter how you go about neutral, it seems rather dry after one attempt seeing anothe neutral ending imo.

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>>693457488
Not really.

I haven't played undertale since I finished pure pacifist and genocide but I very rarely replay games anyway.

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I just remembered that FFX was basically about a ghost who came from a dream made by a dead city hunting down and murdering the whale that is his father.

and Earthbound was about going back in time so you can kill god via magical abortion.

>>693457488
They're similar on the surface, but wildly different in practice.

Civ is turn based, EUIV plays in real-time. Diplomacy is far more important in EUIV. You have somewhere in excess of 35 different diplomatic options.

Your chosen country also changes your playstyle radically. Aside from the bonuses they receive (like Civ) you also have different government types, different religions and the size/placement of your country can mean a lot. A big country like France plays differently to some tiny-ass citystate like the Vatican

And thats the tip of the iceberg. Trade mechanics, colonization, combat, everything is different.

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>>693457932
jRPG plots require more weed at one time than my brother's smoked in the entirety of his short life

>>693457654
so what made it good then? wouldnt good gameplay make you want to replay it? and we both agreed the story is bad, so it cannot be for the story.

>>693457932
thats neat really, who do you usually play as?

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>>693458034
I take it he blazes it all day erreday?

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>>693458245
Where the fuck did we agree the story is bad? I think undertale's story is great. Its real virtue is the way its presented though.

Dude I don't replay ANYTHING. The only games I've played multiple times are the KotOR games out of sheer nostalgia and skyrim because of mods. Time spent replaying games is time I could be playing new games and getting better at multiplayer games (melee).

>>693458269
Dude is a straight dankmaster.

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>>693458245
I try to mix it up (you have like 100 options) but I tend to gravitate towards France, England or Castile (proto-Spain)

At the moment I am playing a custom nation of islam worshippers who are currently purging south america of the native infidels and are going to move up to north america soon enough

Just wiped out the mayans. Felt good.

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>>693458461
so you play nothing but bad games?

>>693458486
the absolute mad man, where is this heathenish country from?

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>>693458886
No, but once I've seen a game once there's seldom a reason to play it again.

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>>693458886
Magdelena.

First America, then over to Africa and the middle east. Take Mecca and Constantinople, then crush the Pope

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>>693459108
>then crush the Pope
this triggers me

I hope Pope Urban II is in power

>>693458959
>seldom a reason to play it again
this is a characteristic of a bad game

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>>693459241
Then apparently you think earthbound and mother 3 are bad games you dense fuck. I don't reread books either. If I've seen everything there is to see why the fuck would I play it again? I've got other shit to do. There is other media to consume.

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>>693459241
I'll do a run later where I go maximum DEUS VALT and retake the holy land.

You can name your dynasty when you make a custom nation.

In the Avafag line in this current game, it was

Luna -> freklz -> James -> Luna II -> Dotter

I might make SF and Katia the King and Heir when I do the Deus Valt run, then decide on who is next later.

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>>693459523
Queen*

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>>693459633
Do you want to be a general and lead combat?

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>>693459795
YES

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SF just wants to the girl in the dress

>>693459409
I enjoy replaying the mother series

I also reread my favorite books

> If I've seen everything there is to see why the fuck would I play it again?
because you enjoyed it the first time, so you would enjoy it a second

>>693459523
that is most excellent my friend

In Hoc Signo Vinces

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>>693459855
THEN YOU GOTTA HAVE A PENIS
THIS AIN'T SOME SJW HISTORY-REVISION GAME

YOU AIN'T JEANNE D'ARC YOU AIN'T GOT SHIT

There is an option for female generals, but it's it requires you give up a bonus that actually does something.

>>693459873
>SF just wants to be the girl in the dress
Who doesn't?

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>>693459998
Jeanne D'arc was a cheer leader lol

and i for one do not want to be, i enjoy being a guy

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>>693459873
That is boring. The text of the book is the same the second time and there is rarely something I've missed in it that is not better discovered through discussion. Books and games I approach the same way - read/play once, find everything I can, and then discuss them with other people who enjoyed them. That is where novelty comes in.

And there's no game I enjoy playing more than melee so I'm not sure why I'd ever replay a game when I could be playing more melee.

>>693459998
I WANT to have a penis, that's fine. Just call me Queen Julian or something.

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>>693460377
The event for Jeanne D'arc in this game (or at least in the mod I play) is fucking sheer brutality

She spawns as a general with maximum Siege. Generals never have maximum siege.

>>693460411
Then it would say King Queen Julian and that just sounds stupid

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>>693460570
Yeah that does sound dumb. Fine, I'll be a king then. I'll pretend I'm wearing panties under the suit of armor or something.

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Hi there

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>>693460742
present your goat boypussy you slut

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>>693460818
Is that how you greet your friends?

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I think the hardest part about being a cripple is being unable to wank

This is like enforced no-fap

Might as well be wearing a fucking cage

>>693460701
I'll make sure to

>>693460742
allo allo

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>>693460920
Only you.

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hello goat

>>693460411
well melee is a good game, there is replay value, which bad games do not have.

games are like food, youll eat what you like continually, and refuse anything you do not care for after trying once.

>>693460570
a good cheer leader would deliver a good speech inspiring those to siege perfectly.

and does she retain that amount of power for seige?

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>>693460987
>being unable to wank
I'm so sorry nef.

>>693461052
It's not REPLAY VALUE when it's multiplayer, dude. The scenarios are novel because you're playing a human opponent. Or, in my case, practicing for a human opponent. Melee is a skill you hone rather than a singleplayer game which is generally just a one off experience.

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Hello Everyone

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>>693461052
>and does she retain that amount of power for seige?
huh?

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>>693460987
Hey, s'goin on?

>>693461014
Because I'm the only one you can call a goat?

>>693461052
nyello
How are you?

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>>693461265
You are a goat, nobody else is.

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>>693461240
Mornin

>>693461265
I am colonizing the province Para right now

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>>693461313
Well you make me feel all special when you say that.

>>693461357
Where the hell is that?

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>>693461441
Now, boypussy.

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>>693461520
I'm not gonna show it.

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>>693461441
North coast of South America.

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>>693461167
Melee has a lot of replay value because it has good mulitplayer.

there are games that have lesser to no replay value because of awful mulitplayer experiences

>>693461265
could be better, getting over from being sick, and am currently doing homework.

>>693461252
Is having a maximum siege a constant variable in battles?

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>watching undertale speedrun
>tranny voice faggot comes on the discord the runner's on
>they all start discussing smash 4
man I'm mad.

>>693461675
Bad gote.

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And goodbye Everyone

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>>693461764
Competitive multiplayer isn't replay you dense motherfucker. That's like saying fucking soccer has a lot of replay value. No, it doesn't, it is a competitive game where by definition the experience is designed by the infinite variability of another human being. That is not comparable to any single player game, ever.

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>>693461677
Ah, right. Where the Hispandex reside and keep saying para.

>>693461764
Sounds pretty bleh. What did you get sick from?

>>693461786
Oh, I'm so good.

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>>693461929
is replay value not determined by how much you want to play the game again no matter what aspect?

>>693461959
from? no idea, i got strep throat though, which is always a pain in the ass.

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>>693462253
Oh Jesus, I've had that a few years ago. It was fucking terrible. Good to hear it's gotten better though.

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>>693461764
General's have stats which add to combat

Siege stat is relatively rare and lends a bonus to when you're besieging a province with a castle.

Since sieging takes time it leaving you rather open. If you have to move your troops you lose your progress. A general with the siege stat is worth it's weight in gold.

She has SIX siege, where other generals are considered blessed to have 2-3

When she arrives, a buff that England has transfers to France as well, meaning that if England hasn't completely shat on France already, France's flaccid cock suddenly becomes the Sphincter Destroyer XXXXL 3000

>>693461821
bye

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>>693462253
No, because you're not replaying it. There's no meaningful metric by which a competitive multiplayer game is "completed."

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NOOOO REMY

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>>693462491
Yah, I get it often, its not the worse thing ive had, that still belongs to Mono. Fuck mono.

>>693462498
is she only good for one battle too?

>>693462508
then what would you call it when you want to play something again?

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>>693462842
I've heard of mono. The one which makes yawning painful, isn't it?
Anyway, what homework are you doing?

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>>693462842
You're not replaying it. You're continuing to play it. Against novel, adaptable human opponents.

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>>693462842
No, she's good until she dies.

Generals can last anywhere from a few months to decades

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>>693462962
yes, that is a symptom of mono, it makes your tonsils flair up painfully and it makes it hard to do anything oral. it makes you incredibly tired too. I dont recall doing anything for a week but sleep.

Circuit Theory

>>693462980
>first time playing a game regardless of mode
playing

>second time playing a game regardless of mode
replaying

>>693463083
she isnt charged with cross-dressing in game?

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>>693463572
By that logic, if you start any game, stop before finishing, and then start it again you are replaying it. That is wrong. It isn't replaying unless you have finished it.

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>>693463572
Heheh "oral"

How is that coming along?

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>>693463572
She was charged IRL because England captured her. In the game, if England doesn't capture her, why would she be charged?

>>693463844
does it happen though?

>>693463765
I figured youd chuckle to that

dreadfully

>>693463708
Ive always regarded playing MP or SP after a long time of not playing it as replaying it to put into context that I have already done so before.

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God damn I wish there was more of this comic so I could get more caps reeeeeeeeee

>>693464378
Well, she can die but it doesn't have a little show and tell for it.

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>>693464378
Yes, I'm ridiculously immature.

It does sound dreadful.

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>>693464378
well that is wrong. Replaying requires completion and you can't complete a multiplayer game. I guess if Rod Laver picked up tennis again he'd be replaying it since he's completed the full grand slam.

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>>693464471
hmm, im kind of dissapointed

>>693464678
its whatever really, im close to finishing it

>>693464801
he would be

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>>693465027
Federer, on the other hand, has not completed a calendar year grand slam so he is not replaying tennis.

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>>693465027
N'okay. I'm gonna go do something else now. Bye

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This is the dumbest argument I have seen in a while.

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>>693465394
It is, but I'm totally right so I'm not stopping.

>>693465161
yet he is playing it again, so he is replaying the game in yearn for it

>>693465290
cya para

>>693465394
welcome to SF and I's conversations

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>>693465607
He hasn't completed it. You can't replay something you haven't finished. This is not a complicated concept.

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>>693465446
>>693465607
It's basically summed up by

>SF does not feel the need to replay narrative games.

Ta-dah

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>>693465700
its because he plays bad games lol

>>693465678
and that is your opinion

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>>693465700
That WAS what it was about, until we discovered Kaldis does not know what the word "replay" means.

>>693465825
What's your favorite game, jackass.

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>>693465907
i dont know, theyre all kind of shit

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>>693465825
Not everyone needs to replay games

I find replays often boring if they're not randomly generated or something, because for some reason my memory for games is incredible and I remember every single enemies location.

Usually if I am replaying a game with narrative it's because I've run out of other games to play.

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>>693466092
And you replay them, apparently. Clearly your willingness to replay a game has nothing to do with its quality.

>>693466228
>>693466228
>>693466228
>>693466228

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Alternatively, I lost my save file or I am after achievements because I am a whore for fake internet points

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>>693466478
this is literally why I stopped buying games on steam

>>693466272
i replay them for a quality, not because they are quality

>>693466228
You bring a fair point, though i still find it fun to replay games.

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>>693466680
>i replay them for a quality
you fucking what

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>>693466573
I buy them when they're on sale, so I have something to play when my current game is done

I haven't bought triple-A games in a while though

Fuck paying anything more than 20 bucks

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SF did I get you to play Princess Remedy In A World Of Hurt?

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>>693466819
I just pirate shit man. And play melee.

>>693466870
no what even is that

>>693466756
mistook the tails for a dirty bloated daiper in the thumbnail

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>>693466961
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>>693466756
i will replay a game that I remember having one good part in it or of it.

see >>693466870 do it, you will enjoy it

>>693466961
you are trash

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>>693466960
Free game on steam. 64mb, takes you 5 minutes to download

Takes about 1 hour to play and beat

Download it now, beat it and tell me who you married.

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>>693467123
Apparently you're more easily amused than I am.

>>693467170
Yeah ok I don't see a reason not to.

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>>693467227
It's like inoffensive, super adorable and demos sucked at it

if i'm not offended, i'm not alive

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>>693467413
demos kinda sucks at everything. I'm sure I will be the best Princess Remedy player of all time.

>>693467475
The Negro is an inferior creation to the white man and does not belong in the white man's countries.

Here, that should be invigorating.

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>>693467227
i work with what I have, I dont often buy games really either

>>693467475
this explains a lot really

>>693467413

>>693467622

that cop is going to jail for a long time

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>>693467690
which one, lousiana or minnesota

>>693467665
pirate

time for princess remedy

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>>693467475
You should also play it if you haven't
You can marry basically anything

>>693467622
Good. Remember to tell me who you married.

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>>693467778

minnesota, but also: both of them

>>693467817

... anything?

>>693467944
Louisiana one will get off.

>>693468006

get off to the ass fucking he's gonna get in prison

>>693467944
Pretty much anything in-game

Do you want to marry a duck?
YOU CAN MARRY A FUCKING DUCK

A centaur boy who doesn't exist? SURE THING

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>>693467690
>>693467778
Oh god, what happened this time?

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>>693468077
Nope. Nigger had a gun and a felony sexual crime conviction.

>>693467944
you can marry the empty chests too

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>>693468153

this wish fulfillment seems vacuous, but i have downloaded it regardless

>>693468239

another cop shot a another black man

>>693468245

which means due process is invalidated, right

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>>693468385
>another cop shot a another black man
what a twist

>which means due process is invalidated, right
In Louisiana, maybe

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I'm so confused about what's going on in this fucking game.

>>693468385
Due process does not apply when you have a felon going for a gun. That constitutes imminent threat. He will not be convicted, if he's even indicted.

>>693468565
Two happened.

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>>693468620
Oh, two for one deal

Hows BLM taking it? Riots on the horizon?
They've seemed a little more hate-speechy than usual lately.

blm has staged protests at multiple locations recently.

>>693468565

those damn cajuns

>>693468620

i mean if that's what you choose to see in the video, no one's going to be able to argue with your delusions. you're special like that.

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>>693468851
they're grumpy. There might've been some protests, I don't know. Nobody really cares anymore.

>>693468851
they have always been that way really

its a group with no clear goal nor leader, its just chaos

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>>693468985
I'm telling you what's going to occur when a prosecutor looks at this, and then what's going to occur when a jury does if by some chance the prosecutor decides he wants to go after a cop which is rare enough in its own right.

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w i z z y

>>693469155

i wouldn't be surprised if he was released, which speaks for a failing in the american judicial system.

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it's a twin stick shooter with one fucking stick, and four directions

>>693469307
the yung god

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Someone send me snacks

>>693469031
Yeah but they at least used to pretend it was for justice. I seem to a recall a lot less "this is wrong" and more "kill all cops" recently.

>>693469003
>>693468985
Ah, damn.

>>693469387
>it's a twin stick shooter with one fucking stick, and four directions

What? It's just a very basic bullet hell

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>>693469387
I wonder how hax justified wizzys performance

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>>693469367
He will be, which isn't a failing in my book. But at least in minnesota, if anything at all the negress said is true, there will be a trial and likely conviction.

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>>693469554
Hax has never believed falcon is bad against puff. He thinks falcon sucks because of spacies.

Which is why falcon sucks.

>>693469552
Well like in twin stick shooters you fire with one set of direction inputs and move with the other
in this game you move and fire with the same set of directional inputs

oh also new gauntlet is very fun and i think it's still 3$

>>693469570

am i incorrectly presuming that you've watched the video

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>>693469715
fuck hax anyways

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>>693469715
Think of it as a bonus challenge.
Not that the game is heart. Difficulty does ramp up but it's still a joke.

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dummy with a yummy tummy

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>>693469552
thats really all its ever been

in StL during the ferguson bullshit, the whole BLM shit was going on about how there has never been a black leader in the community government body, when the fucking mayor of the city was black

its just a whole bunch of idiots moaning about shit and thinking that their destruction is validated

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>>693469772
I saw both of them yes.

>>693469835
He's right about falcon, but exaggerates.

>>693469852
It's just WEIRD.

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>>693470006
so whatsup my man

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>be me
>be in pain
>endless suffering
>can't move
>play games and internet socialize to fill time
>go on facebook
>see this

thanks Facebook
You're always there for me

>>693469992
Whether or not they were stupid wasn't the question, it was their public face that I am referring to. There was a lot of support to BLM during Ferguson

>>693470006
Your face is just weird
Are you enjoying the people's problems?

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>>693470186
I'm playing this bizarre game between posts.

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>>693470384
weirdly adorable!

and yes this game is charming.