They reflect the effort you put in.

To a certain degree, yes. People claiming opposite are just underachievers who want everyone to think "We wuz smart"

Yes, yes, yes, boy! If not, how to pay here for?

>>692779658
They can, but not always.

I've found that grades are honestly more of a reflection on your ability/willingness to concentrate and apply yourself to a task. This can fluctuate based on a number of different circumstances, but everyone is capable of an A barring severe mental retardation.

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>>692779938
What the fuck are you babbling about. You literally just went full retard.

>>692779905
you do realise that grades aren't objective right. The teacher has to decide what grade you get and therefore your grade depends on the teachers opinion wether your work was good enough or not.

>>692779938
Sukk a kok!

>>692779980
>but everyone is capable of an A barring severe mental retardation.

Yea def applies well to high school. All you had to do was pay attention in class. Uni, on the other hand, not so much.

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>>692780135
Retard detected, go justify your inadequacy somewhere else you inbred mongoloid.

>>692780135
Dont know if this is bait or not but hell ill take it. In my entire life i have never seen someone good saying "I totally just got a good grade because x likes me" whereas the underachievers always used that as an excuse. Take math for example, nothing subjective there. Also, making someone like you is a skill that reflects your intelligence as well

>>692780344
you can even look up studies online to this topic.
they made some tests in germany and let like 200 teachers decide what grade they give. the grades varied from 2 to 5. (pretty much B to F in your stupid scale). tell me again how its the students fault that he got an F when he just got an asshole as a teacher

>>692780306
I respectfully disagree, everyone is capable of an A in college too, but as we age we take on more and more responsibilities outside of schooling (social, personal, work, etc) which makes getting A's less attainable for those without above average memory retention.

I'm disagreeing with you, but only slightly.

>>692780172
Suck a cock....?

>>692780135
>>692779834
The 'I'm smart but I didn't try in school' head ass. Getting better grades makes you more likely to have a higher IQ and a better paying job when you're older. You're just trying to justify why you didn't get good grades in school. You try perpetuating that you're actually smart even though you have nothing tangible to show for it. Good job, you played yourself.

>>692780583
Math isn't subjective because not everyone uses the same way to solve problems. also not everyone does it as detailed as it can be. if one student gets the right solution but brought almost nothing to paper to prove he understood how to correctly solve the problem.. does he deserve an A?

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>>692780738
this

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>>692780804
> Math isn't subjective

>>692780804
This has to be bait

>>692780595
I have read studies on this exact topic, and an "asshole for a teacher" is a subjective statement that can't be proved. Someone you call an asshole I might just say has high standards and is pushing students to actually try their best and apply their intellect, instead of writing down the shortest answer they think will be acceptable. Simply by your punctuation and your insinuation that the A to F scale (which is just a lettered representation of a scale from 0-100) is "stupid," I can tell you never really applied yourself or cared too much for learning in a school atmosphere.

>>692780649

>memory retention

Sure, this is true for liberal arts degree.

My experience in an engineering college was a different story. Exams are designed to be very challenging and 70-90 percent of your final grade, and if it was a good exam, the results statistically form a normal bell curve.

>>692780804
No he doesn't deserve an A.

Being able to do something is different from being able to do the same thing and explain it step by step. Being able to describe your thought process step by step is a valuable communication tool and should be rewarded with higher grades in school. People who can explain or write out the reasons detailing every change/step in their work process get paid more/get better results as an adult.

>>692781364
Exactly why it's subjective.

>>692781214
Again, I'm saying that everyone is CAPABLE of an A. Not that everyone is going to get one, or that it is even remotely likely that everyone who could get an A, will.

Which is why I qualified my statement in the previous post.

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>>692781482
Missed the point

>>692779658
they reflect individual effort and understanding of a system, and subsequently are an indicator for future success in employment and contribution.

You can be a dumb cunt with good grades and a steady job/income, or a smart shit kicker that fails everything because they can't be arsed to do anything requiring effort.

>>692781707
Missed the cock that's down your throat.

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>>692781593
So you're talking about theoretical potential which has little to no real life application, much like >>692781214 and his engineering degree.

Stay mad edufags

>>692781781
How could I miss something that is inside me? I think I'm starting to understand why you got bad grades anon, you don't even understand definitions of basic words.

Also, I love the cock that's down my throat, so keep hurling the gay insults my way and I just may get turned on. xD

>>692781881
>about theoretical potential which has little to no real life application, much like >>692781214 (You) and his engineering degree.

kek some A+ bait right here.

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I'm a teacher. The shit heads get bumped or we get in trouble. Hands are tied these days, you need so much documentation to fail a kid. I'll never fail anyone who tries their best and comes in for tutoring. And yes, my worst students are usually black, but not always. And usually at least half of my black kids are good people.

MFW tau proteins are destroying my brain

>>692779658
I failed highschool but I was told many of times that I was smart throughout it. I'm now in college now getting my bachelor's in economics and doing below average but passing. Whenever I'm on reddit many people will up vote my post and tell me I'm smart. I never really tried in highschool but I could've passed if I wanted to but I was more concerned with reading philosophy and Ayn Rand because I was above whatever the teachers were teaching me, it was really boring. Grades are just what the teacher decides to give you. The criteria system and school system is flawed.

>>692782256
Which kids are usually the most annoying or difficult to deal with? Also, what do you teach?

>>692782247
Thanks anon, I appreciate that you could rise above it and not swallow the whole pole.

>>692782320
what the hell can you realistically do with a degree in economics?

>>692782558
he smart. he know

Yes, to an extent.
To me they represent the amount of effort and determination a person is willing to put in.

>>692782474
Freshmen. Little shits.

I taught Biology and Physics last year.
This year I'm teaching Physics and Eath & Space Science.

>>692782558
Analysts, economists and accountants to name a few.

>>692782320
Holy fucking shit kiddo, I might be taking the bait here, but if this is really how you feel stop before you cut yourself on that holier than thou intellectual libertarian edge. The system is flawed, but if you want to excel in life and do well for yourself, your loved ones, and family then maybe start applying your supposed intellect and make the top of your class so you can get a free ride to a good college without amassing a bunch of debt.

>>692782320
You sound exactly like the type of person most people hate. No offense.

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>>692782558
You can fist yourself while holding your degree in economics.

>>692782717
Yeah, Im sure the job market is really hurting for analysts and economists from third rate unis.

And accountants? Are they interchangeable with economists? My impression is that you need a degree in accounting.

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>>692782888
Nice trips m8

>>692783001
You don't need a degree in accounting to become a CPA. Honestly, unless you're working for a major corporation or a business with more than 50 employees you don't NEED any degree other than your high school diploma to be an accountant for a business. Doesn't mean your likely to get the job without one, but I know of several business owners in my area who just have their accounting done by a family member with no college and minimal experience. You just have to have a head for numbers and be motivated.

>>692782821
I would apply myself but I see no challenge in being at the top of the class. Maybe once I feel more interested and challenged by the classes I will but that's not the case atm.

>>692782888
>You sound exactly like the type of person most people hate. No offense.

I have over 200 friends on steam and just went to a party yesterday so no, I'm very likeable.

>>692779658
But OP, how can intelligence exist when our eyes don't exist?
>Check mate

>>692779658
no

>>692783570
friends on steam ... likable ... oh, the delusion

>>692779658

Yup.

Intelligence is your ability to negotiate a path through the world. If you're in a western country and don't try to get top grades, you're stupid.

If you're in a nigger country you might be better served investing your time in nigger activities.

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People saying they have absolutely no connection, are just bullshitting themselves.

Maybe sometimes smart people get grades lower than the deserve, but very rarely do you see idiots with straight A.

Nobody thinks they are a perfect, objective measure of intelligence, but they are a pretty accurate refection.

And for people saying "oh, they just reflect how much the teacher likes you!" get out of highschool. College classes are usually marked by graders / TA's who you'll never even meet.

Also, when grading is done on a curve, it measure your performance against others on that curve. So you are graded relative to others rather than some objective standard.

Also left or right?

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>>692783570
Yep, I took the bait for sure. Nice one man, you had me fooled in your first post.

>>692779658

Short answer is no

>>692783570
>I have over 200 friends on steam

kek

>>692780738
I like how you responded with a paragraph in response to something that wasn't even vaguely suggesting how he did in school

Well played, retard

I wouldn't say so.
I'm not that smart and I got the top grades in my GCSEs because I revised. I just remembered stuff and that was pretty much it. The few questions that required me to do some actual mental work were very easy.

>>692783748
I would've said how many friends I have on Facebook but I only talk to about 30 of them on a regular basis online with the few occasional messages from others. I go to parties every weekend and have a girlfriend. Believe what you want to believe, it's not like your opinion matters.

>>692783871
>Also, when grading is done on a curve, it measure your performance against others on that curve. So you are graded relative to others rather than some objective standard.

Thats not completely true. There is an objective standard present as well, but I do agree it leans more toward your performance against others. 60/40

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>>692783570
>I have 200 friends on steam

>>692784159
do you perchance attend the esteemed De Vry University?

>>692779658
"wrote too much, i dont think you understand it at all"
"i can see you understand it, but you will have to do better next time"
"it just isnt there"
"for this way of thinking you could get an A, but no"
"we have quotas, we need to kick someone out"
"our flagship discipline on this UNI is going to be special pedagogy"
Schools surely don't

>>692784289
Fair enough. It depends how strict the curve is at your school.

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>>692784080
I like how you responded to that guys paragraph as if you weren't the retard in question.

>wasn't even vaguely suggesting how he did in school

First off if you don't see what's wrong with the grammar there, you are a retard. Secondly, no one who did poorly in school is just gonna spew it out over the internet on an anonymous image board without being prompted to do so.

Stay buttfrustrated senor potato

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>>692779658


grades = intelligence * effort

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>>692779658
No, however an IQ test is a reflection of intelligence

I skipped Uni, Got Average D's in highschool, and now work as a fulltime programmer at a cool company. Getting paid well too. I don't think grades really matter. What matters is what you do with your spare time. Not having friends as a kid is strangely very advantageous later on in life.

>>692784524
You missed a couple commas there, grammar man. You even missed a full stop at the end. You might consider being perfect, before you judge others, you faggot.

>>692779658
This is how it is:
Intelligent people are more prone to value good grades as their perhaps aim for a future within academics.
However you can be pretty dumb and still get good grades with some effort.
Thing is that intelligent people have an easier time getting good grades than dumb ones. They need to put less effort into it and thus get less stressed out.

I had pretty good grades in high school even though I skipped a lot of classes and put a minimal effort into school.
Gotta say though, that not learning proper study techinique has been a great disadvantage for me now that I'm in a university program filled with intellectual tryhards who have both capable minds and good study technique.

So whether school is easy or hard for you, you better fucking study. It will pay off in one way or another.

>>692784734
Nobody asked if grades mattered. They asked if they were a reflection of intelligence.

I can see why you got D's. Can't even answer the question at hand.

>>692784877
as THEY perhaps*

To a degree, yes.
Intelligent students are more likely to get better grades. However, grades are not the best indicator for intelligence but rather for effort and can vary between teachers and even certain student-teacher-combinations.
The problem with linking grades to intelligence is that intelligence is potential while grades are results. A highly intelligent student can get an F and a stupid student can get an A.Grades do depend on much more than intelligence.
But if someone claims to be intelligent yet their grades suck, they're stupid, either because they don't use their potential or because of a lack of potential.

>>692783871
>grading is done on a curve
not where i live
2% succes rate 3rd year is no surprise

>>692784734
How did you get your foot in the door without a degree in compsci or ece?

>>692784165
Back pedaling troll detected. If real have fun becoming one of the millions of "smart" people who were "so ahead of everything teachers were focused on" that they ignore the point of schooling which is to be trained to apply yourself to a topic/job even if you don't find it the least bit interesting. Keep thinking the way you do and you'll end up a shift manager in a local retail establishment for the rest of your life contemplating suicide whenever you think about the potential you wasted to become an influential person.

>>692784980
"WHEN grading is done on a curve"

I know it's not done in every college. I was just talking about when it is.

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>>692784817
Missed one comma, and didn't feel the need to put a period on a sentence which involved calling someone a potato.

Judging others is how we all get through life, stay mad and I'll stay judgmental.

>>692784988
I made a bunch of really sweet tech demos which they liked a lot. When you can show an employer something cool, it's way better than a fancy piece of paper.

>>692781364
As someone with an actual job, let me tell you why that is bullshit. Employers want results, not a long ass boring explanation of how you got there. If you try to deny that, you'll only further prove you've never been employed.

And I understand there are certain jobs that expect detailed explanations, but those won't be had by most A students.

>>692783570
Beautiful bait, my friend. Really.

>>692785213
Why do people always do this?

Despite what people have been saying for the last 30 years: school =/= job training.

It's stupid to apply the standard of what an employer wants to how one should be graded in school, as if that is the criteria the school is using.

>>692785197
nice, Ive been thinking whether or not to showcase some projects I did while undegrad in ece. I dont see why it would hurt your interview.

>>692784450
Didn't go to uni, sorry mate.
Did my A levels and fucked off to the RAF to be an officer.

>>692785196
You missed five (5) commas in your post.

>>692780583

I had professors that gives everyone Cs regardless of effort. I had professors that grade hard and create exams based on arbitrary knowledge that is typically not taught in the class curriculum. Also, I had professors that give students As just for trying in class where the content of the work means fuck all to them. So we can play this little game of "is this bait". But until you start going to higher education institutions, you'll realize these kinds of professors exsist in any school you go to and grades are subjective.

>>692785213
It's not bullshit, it just applies in jobs that you will never get, with employers that look for people with critical thinking skills, not monkeys who will be replaced completely by machines in their menial labor jobs in the next 50-100 years.

Peform standard task- oh no, unexpected difficulty occurs

If you can't explain: why the difficulty happened, how you determined the way to fix it, and how you went about fixing it the most efficient way possible given the situation
then in my career you would quickly end up with no hours or no job at all.

Inventory Management and Consumer Data Analysis

>>692780738
Why should you need something tangible to prove that you're smart? Have an intellectual conversation with someone who claims to be smart, but does bad in school and a lot of the time you will see that they are actually smart. I was like that in school and my IQ is 160. I was interested in the stuff they were teaching, but not the homework, so I went through high school with all C's. It's a mixture of laziness, not being interested, and/or not giving a shit.

>>692779980
Basically this. Most school systems reward good work ethic and self-discipline more than intelligence. A lot of people seem to think that's a bad thing, but I disagree, since the former is a lot easier to improve than the latter.

>>692785633
kekekekekek

You use too many commas, my friend.
I wonder if your replies are getting shorter due to lack of substance, or sheer rage?

>>692780738
>makes a good point then completely invalidates it by using a meme
why man

>>692785915
How'd that end up working out for you, Einstein?

>>692786091
Currently in college working on getting my Phd in Psychology on a full scholarship, because I did extra curriculars and scored really high on my SAT

I wasn't the smartest kid in school and never did homework or any of my final exams come to think of it I never even did the test i past highschool and did a fuck load of lsd , I then got a trade and bought a house at 21 now 22 I'm smart in life and know alot and i fuck beautiful women which is all that matters really

>>692784877
This.
Not sure how it is in other countries but here we have competetive olympiads for various subjects. I have second best grades in my class however I got much higher results in those olympiads than the person with best grades.
So grades reflect your intelligence, your effort and how much you cheat during tests.

>>692785813
At best, all this proves is that sometimes grades reflect things other than intelligence - and nobody disagrees with that. But this is obvious in cases where they are being given out arbitrarily. Nobody thinks that randomly assigned grades reflect intelligence.

But if you think this is the situation most of the time, you're just deluding yourself.

The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination.

>>692783570
I knew a kid in school that told the teacher he needed to be challenged more and she just told him that seeing how he has a D he should probably learn the material first. Having 200 friends on steam just makes you one of those people on facebook with 2000 friends knowing they only have 3 they talk to outside of school, meaningless.

>>692786091

I'm sorry I didn't enjoy taking, nor had an interest in Writing 101: The Art of the Dildo like you did, faglord.

>>692779905
>this

>>692779980
i have some friends that put A LOT of efforts into their test & assignment but still get lower grades than some who put a lot less effort.

>>692785213
and of course, there's also this. so in the end perhps it depends on how you're able to find the appropriate solutions to diff situations idk

>>692786057
God damn you know how retarded it is to care if someone put some fucking commas or periods in their sentences is?

No one gives a single flying fuck if you care, have fun pretending to be smarter than the dude your arguing with, you dont even know the faggot.

>>692786556
Read that on a classroom poster?

>>692785429
>school has nothing to do with getting a job. schools aren't supposed to teach you how to do jobs.

Pic related.

What the fuck do you think school is for? Just to see who's the best kid? Some kind of contest to see who can balance being social, while solving problems? Of course that's what it is, but the end goal is to prepare you for jobs. So, if jobs don't give a shit about some things, schools shouldn't either.

>>692779658
In high school, grades are merely a reflection of effort. The effort you put in is probably tied to how intelligent you are, but there are exceptions. There are idiots who work their asses off but still can't do well in math/science classes. There are also lazy motherfuckers who can put minimal effort in and get an A. There are also plenty of people who think they are really smart but just lazy and thats the only reason they don't get good grades; my experience has been that (outside of movies) these people are actually dumb fucks.

Once you get to university, assuming its a real school and not community college/dumbfuck state and you're not taking bullshit arts or lit classes, you need to be both smart and hard working to do well. If you can be either dumb or lazy and still get good grades--congrats! you are not at a real school!

>>692785887
I'll give you your (You), but that's it. Thank you for proving my point, with your job that most people will never have, let alone A students.

There are two kinds of grades. I don't do homework because I don't feel like I need it for myself. I don't care what the systems says, I just don't need that homework. And I prove it by getting A's in tests.
There is a difference between thinking you are intelligent but too lazy to get good grades and actually being intelligent but getting some bad grades because of being lazy..

>>692786057
They're getting shorter because I'm shit posting against everyone in the thread, and you're not nearly as important as you think you are. Reckon you took a little too much stock those two A's you got in art class, in 5th grade.

>>692785915
>Why should you need something tangible to prove that you're smart?

If you have something tangible it often means you have something to prove that you're smart. If you don't have anything tangible then it's just your word, that's why.

>Have an intellectual conversation with someone who claims to be smart, but does bad in school and a lot of the time you will see that they are actually smart.

This is somebody who is most likely a 'pseudo-intellectual'. Believe it or not but it's not very hard to convince a layman that you're smarter than them on a topic they know nothing about. All you need to do to seem smart to people is to know a little bit more about whatever you're talking about than they do. I often found in highschool people who perpetuated the 'I'm smart but i'm lazy so I don't get good grades' myth just did this trick. when I started to take an interest in some of the things they talked about I noticed they were completely talking out of their ass.

> I was like that in school and my IQ is 160.

You took an unreliable online IQ test that is designed to score you above average so you share it with your friends causing them to get more money from ad revenue. Good job, you played yourself.

>>692780172
>>692779938
get out

>>692779658
For guys yes. They mostly do. For women it reflects how well they suck cock.

>>692786539

>only the case when it's the case
>you are deluding yourself

You are wrong to think it's not. If a professor likes a student and wants to see them succeed, they will pass them. If a professor doesn't give a shit about the topic he teaches because he was forced into Buttfucking 101 by the department faculties, then he's bot going to give a shit about looking through 50 8-10 page essays on An Anal. of Buttfucking. College is nothing more than a "stamp of approval" factory so little shits who freeload and aren't worth a damn can pass with ease. Stop glorifying your grades like it meant something. I've met fucking Ph.Ds in CSE who didn't know they had to declare variables when writing code. Show's how much a college education really is worth.

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>>692786564
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>>692786724
>Pic related

You've got shit reading comprehension skills.

Who said schools had nothing to do with getting a job? Obviously if your school requires you to go to school then it has something to do with it. This is different than saying that classroom curriculum shouldn't be structured around employer's requirements. Do you really not understand the difference?

Universities have been around for thousands of years. The idea that they are job training is very, very new.

My guess is you go to some no-name school, some shit technical college, or are doing a STEM degree. In which case, yes, they are basically job training. But that don't count for everyone, or ever degree.

>>692787413
>Muh anecdotes

If you really think that your experiences are generalizable to a system with millions of people in it, that's been going on centuries before you were born and will be going on centuries after you die, then you really are a lost cause.

Part of what a college education teaches you is to look beyond your own experiences when evaluating things. Obviously you didn't get the memo.

Nobody is denying that experiences like yours happen. But if you think that that is the case for everyone, you're a fucking retard.

>>692787513
I'm 32, upper level management, and finished college ten years ago.

You said that

>school =/= job training.

And the fact is, schools require TONS of shit that you'll never need, even you go into a related field.

Saying good grades and intelligence have a connection is making a broad judgement of a group of people. You have to remember that everyone is different there are plenty of intelligent people who don't get the best grades, and realize that hurts them, but they're just too lazy to care. I had a friend in high school that was almost failing all his classes because he never did his homework, and he was a sarcastic prick to all the teachers he didn't like. Even though his grades were shit; he aced every test he took and was constantly getting all the questions right in class. I asked him why he didn't put more effort into his classes he just said meh, so it goes t show you that it is extremely possible to be smart, or intelligent without good grades.

>>692779658
to a certain degree. but they are not proportionally correlated, since a 140 IQ person would be bored by normal classes and would get bad grades for not appearing to class

>>692787972

"Upper management" Very impressive.

"x not being equal to y" is different than "x has nothing to do with y" If you don't understand that, then you should probably return your college degree.

And of course schools require you to learn stuff that you wont use in your job, even if it is related. That's exactly my point. If school was just job training, why would they do that?

The requirements of a degree and the requirements of an employer are different. So using the criteria of the requirements of an employer to judge someone working on their degree is stupid.

>You took an unreliable online IQ test that is designed to score you above average so you share it with your friends causing them to get more money from ad revenue. Good job, you played yourself.

Actually my sister is autistic, so my mom got us both tested. Her's is 60. Mine is 160

>>692787413
>I've met fucking Ph.Ds in CSE who didn't know they had to declare variables when writing code. Show's how much a college education really is worth.

So what? Thats pretty trivial detail when it comes to coding. And as far as I understand, compsci is more about theory and less about actual application. Ive done way less actual programming work in compsci classes than I have in ece ones.

>>692784585
I'd say this pretty much nails it.
The more intelligent someone is, the less effort they need to understand the material, and thus the work, meaning they'll be more likely to get a higher grade with less studying/effort on their part.

That being said, there is the outliers of those that just don't do the work or have excuses for it, like, one semester in college I got a C in a class b/c I was too lazy to redo 2 months worth of work in 5 days that had got corrupted.

>>692788270
Nice anecdote, faggot

>>692787290
How do you have an intellectual conversation on a subject you know nothing about? That's more like someone just telling you about something

>>692788534
>being this much of a faggot

Why are you so vehemently defending a system that has been proven shit? And whether you like it or not, you're still trying to prove that schools have nothing do with jobs. And you're right, because they force bullshit on you that you'll never need for a job, while telling you jobs want that. Jobs want you to do math, not show them how you did it. They're the job, if you got the right answer, they already know how you got there. If they don't, then you're a teacher not an employee.

>>692789036
Asking questions makes it a conversation.

>>692789036
Because intellect and knowledge aren't the same thing. You can make inferences and ask interesting questions about something you know nothing about if you're reasonably intelligent.

>>692779658
In the same way BMI reflects a general populations weight, yea.

They don't work for outliers, but they do work for the other 98%

>>692789036
Fairly easy, I once convinced a few people bottled water was bad for them due to the di-hydrogen monoxide causing oxidation of the cells in the body. When they questioned why, I explained that it's basically the opposite of anti-oxidants that they hear so much about.

I basically told them water was bad, b/c the oxygen in the water makes their body age....

The common masses aren't that hard to trick.

>>692789046
Not the guy you're talking to, but
1. You're a fucking idiot.
2. Do you not realize that teachers can also be employees?

>>692788270
There's more to being smart than just memorizing facts. Part of being smart is being able to realize that your good grades will effect your future. Smart is foresight. Smart is planning. Smart is seeing past today. When he's 40 years old and has been working as a cashier for 15 years he will really regret not doing his fucking homework like a lazy piece of shit. He will probably also be voting for Berni sanders

>>692789304
And you think that counts as an "intellectual conversation"?

>>692789389
Nice job missing the point.

>>692788 Yeah, but you don't have an intellectual conversation about a subject in which you have no knowledge of. If you are going to have a conversation about a certain subject with someone you should have knowledge of that subject, or it's more like a lecture rather than an actual conversation.

>>692789477
No, but it serves the point saying it's fairly easy to pretend to be smart to people that don't know shit.

>>692789576
Does anything think it is difficult to convince idiots that you are smart?

I'm not disagreeing with you or anything, your story just seemed irrelevant to the question at hand.

>>692779834
this

I know some bonafide dumb motherfuckers who had a 3.5 and above GPA. All need to do is pay attention and remember.

No, not particularly. Grades just means that someone gave more of a shit to pass than others. There's people from High School that had a 4.0 GPA that are bumbling dipshits.

Being able to read information and regurgitate it does not help you for the real world. No job worth working gives a shit about what your GPA was in High School or College. Any jobs that use your grades as an indicator of your value to the company have no other means of measuring how you'd be valuable. So, you know, the McJobs.

I remember an all F student who went to juvenile detention several times because he flat out refused to come to school most days and he never did homework. He spent all day writing code and he now lives in the inner-city as a six figure programmer. Weird socially outcast guy who didn't talk to anyone or give a shit about his school work.

TLDR - It's not a good indicator of intelligence. Stupid people can easily obtain As if they care enough to do the work.

>>69278941 He realized that, and I'm pretty sure he just didn't care enough in the moment to stop being a lazy fuck and actually do shit. Last I heard he was in college taking life more seriously. He's lucky he has rich parents

>>692789304
that is a psuedo-intellectual conversation at best.

>>692789748
It's essentially saying, hey, even if you don't know shit about something, other people don't either, so you can do it since they're unlikely to call you out on the bullshit.

It depends. Some subjects are more interesting to others, so they put more work in. Some subjects, not so much.
And when you're only really interested and intelligent in shit you're interested in like video games, you're fucked.
But some people are very smart in what they enjoy, but don't put effort in. Like me back in high school. I was always told I had so much potential, I was just lazy and never paid attention (inattentive ADHD was my biggest flaw)

>>692789823
This guy has clearly never experienced engineering, medical or law school. kek

>>692790108
Yes, because everyone is required to go through those schools.

Are you saying there's not one single stupid doctor, lawyer or engineer out there? Is it actually impossible to pass through schooling if you're stupid?

>>692789823
>>692790108
This.

Consulting firms, law firms, medical schools, engineering schools, etc.

Some of the most well paid and highly prestigious jobs as for your college grades.

You have no idea what you're fucking talking about.

>>692790311
No you retard. He is saying that the claim that "No job worth working gives a shit about what your GPA was in High School or College" is some serious bullshit. Which it is.

>>692790417
>>692790316
They don't care...

Most lawyers when they graduate want to start their own firm.

I know you guys are both probably underage but you'll figure it out real quick when you get out into the real world and try to get a job. I don't care what your profession is, wave your "I had good grades in school" card in front of the employer's face. They're just going to ask what kind of experience you have.

No, your schooling isn't experience. No one gives a fuck about your degree.

>>692790544
Thats not completely true. Fresh out of school, grades definitely matter. Minimum GPA reqs to get your foot in the door, otherwise your resume gets tossed by the HR drones. But I do agree that experience supercedes grades.

>>692790875
And eventually once you get actual full-time work xp, grades wont matter anymore because they will only indicate how you performed x years ago.

>>692790544
That's because a lot of lawyers go to shit law schools and can't get hired at good firms.

You've been proven wrong. You're talking out of your ass.

Go look up MBB consulting. Some of the highest paying and prestigious jobs out there. They specifically hire people with the best grades from the best schools the day they graduate. They aren't looking for experience.

I get that shit jobs don't require good college grades, but to ignore the bunch of highly paid jobs that do, is pure bullshit.

>>692791199
>You've been proven wrong.

>No you're wrong! I once saw this site that said they were looking for good grades and that's how the world works.

Alright, clearly I've been defeated. Let me know how that works out for you.

>>692790875
>>692791076
Nobody is saying expereince DOESN'T matter, of course it does.

But there are plenty of great employer's with very high starting salaries, like big law firms or consulting, that care about your grades.

>>692779658
no, a lot of very smart people can do poorly on tests just simple because it is boring as fuck, also intelligence is not memory, not hard to remember lots of useless crap.

>>692791309
Honestly, do you know anything about how consulting or major law firm hiring works? Serious question.

Or are you just classifying these as "McJobs"

>>692779658
Yes. I got 1 A ,1 C, 1 X and a dozen e and f. And I am a dumbass.

They correlate with intelligence up to a point. At the same time, you can be smart and still get shitty grades if you put no effort into school, or you can be kinda dumb and still get good grades in most subjects if you work hard enough.

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>>692779938
Kek.

>>692779658
>Be 12 year old do iq test 131
>be 18 redo 122
Fuck
18 still in grade 11 thinking of dropping out because live in northern canada all good paying jobs are physical labur/ driving mine trucks

>>692789419
>Part of being smart is being able to realize that your good grades will effect your future

Kind of ironic that you preach foresight, because any amount of it would teach you that high school and grades are literally meaningless in the grand scheme of your life.

>>692792034
Pro-tip fellow Canadian, the fuck out of the north.
90% of us live in the south for a reason.

I never really worked in school i just went to class listened to the teacher and asked questions if i didn't understand what he meant. I mostly got As and Bs with literally no effort and all of my friends had learned until their eyes bled and got Cs. I completely agree grades prove shit

>>692792175
That's just not true.

Good high school grades can get you into a good college, and a good college can very much influence the trajectory of your life.

>>692792034
also i suffered major depression from 12-15 smoked so much pot and became a gelatin filled blob because pot>sports
kill me
so much pot i have short term memory problems as well as some long term memory problems

>>692779658
Why is there no E?

>>692792183
I Know i live in the smallest ontario district capital and theres only like 5k people and most of them are either in the mines (1k a week easy) or in domestic trade (1k a month)
the moneys bad out here but when its good its good and there are low requirements

Because the F just stands for fail.

>>692779980
This, for all the time I was in school teachers, shrinks, etc wouls always tell me "you have potential, you're inteligent" etc or even the tutor I was with while in formation " I took you with me because I know you had potential, etc, you could manage a team, take your fingers out of your ass"

So yea I totaly agree with you, grades are more for showing that the student is able to focus on a task, a paper and applying what he knows, showing his process of toughts and how he came to his results etc
Sorry for bad english too lazy to write a proper sentence

>>692792333
The most that good grades in high school will do for you as an intelligent person is provide a 12-18 month head start than you otherwise could have. Of course they help, but they just aren't necessary in the grand scheme of things.

If you're smart, you don't need good grades to get into a good university, and if you're dumb no amount of good grades will keep you there.

>>692792964
I'm confused. Where I come from good grades are a necessary requirement to getting into a good university.

How would a smart person without good grades get into a university?

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I'm that guy who put almost 0 effort in studying, but all in the right places and was getting all A's, whilst classmates were studying day and night and were getting D/C.
There is no fucking trick, at a lecture you just stop thinking about shit that is not relevant to the subject and give all the attention to what lector says.
Then imagine all the shit you listened at the lecture, dwell with it in your head a little bit and it is done.
Srsly, probably the only difficulty is to remove irrelevant thoughts so you can fully concentrate and pain in the bums that you get from sitting for too long.
Marks only indicate if you really paid attention before and how well can you pay attention at the exam, doesn't reflect intelligence.

>>692793120
Are you from China, where the individual doesn't exist and networking doesn't matter?

>>692793222
No. So you're saying because 2-3% of people can bullshit their way into university, you don't really need good grades?

>>692779658
This, highschool was super fucking easy. The only thing that determined if you got good grades was did you put forth any effort. I know some idiots i wouldn't trust to put a round peg through a round hole that got straight As as well as some guys who could build iron mans suit from scraps in a cave that got Bs and Cs.

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>>692783570
>I have over 200 friends on steam

>>692779658
>Do grades reflect intelligence?
They can be, but in general, no.
Anyone can get good grades, all it requires is for you to pay attention. You don't have to be smart.
I've met plenty of people who had straight A's but were as dumb as box of rocks.
And I've met people who'd scrape by every class with the lowest possible passing grade who are some of the smartest people I've met.

Even when I was in school, I missed something like 40%+ of the days, didn't read any of the books, barely paid any attention in any classes, didn't take notes and I still managed to maintain b's. When I did the assignments, that is.

>>692793222
where i live you have to have better grades then 50% of all people who do the testing, that's to just enter, then you need to undergo a suitability interview.

>>692779658
at a college level they sorta do but thats about it. any retard can get good grades ink-12 if they put even the slightest bit of effort into it.

The grading system may not be ideal but it is still the best way of assessing large amounts of people relatively quickly and everyone has the same system to work with so you've just got to play the game.

>>692779658
No. They reflect how much effort you invest and how much teachers like you.

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>>692779658
Ive terrible grades but literally all my teachers have told me that I am very smart one way or another, one even going on to say "If this studen goes into a math or physics related subject, you will hear his name again in the next 20 years".

I genuinely believe that grades do not show you how smart you are, but rather how much effort you put in + your ability to retain knowledge + your ability to take tests + your intellegence to some extent.

Most students who consistently get good grades are smart, and most students who dont do too well consistently are dumb, everything else is an outlier imo.

>>692793391
I'm saying that if you aren't one of those 2-3% who can express their intelligence without resorting to slogging through a system designed around the lowest common denominator, you probably aren't truly intelligent in the first place. You're a bit above average, maybe, but you're still just floating around the big bend of the bell curve with no real sense of foresight and without a firm grasp of the intricacies of how the world works behind the curtain.

>>692792034
You're so fucking stupid
You clearly don't know how IQ tests are scored

>>692793757
>you have to have better grades then 50%
clearly you didn't.

also you have to be really stupid to not be in the upper 50%. the smarties in our TAG programs are all top 1% testers.

and a lot of people aren't accounting for the fact that in the higher echelons of any competitive environment, most people cheat cheat cheat cheat cheat cheat cheat to maintain their high grades.

>I'm smart but I got shit grades in school
>The smartest people I've met got shit grades therefore grades are dumb
>Grades are only a reflection of how much you tried and smart people don't try
>My teacher said I was special and smart. That teacher has only said it to one person ever
>Teachers don't mark properly so therefore grades are stupid
>I'm smart because I say I'm smart, just take my word for it
>I obviously earn millions now because I am so smart with my terrible grades
>Smarts and grades have no correlation therefore grades are again stupid

A representation of this thread so far. I get it, you just didn't try but you were smart and now you have a great job doing something really important as a result of your shit grades.

>>692795641
McDonald's level butthurt right here

>>692793120
Good sat or act scores will do it

>>692795641
I didn't ask for salt with my fries, bucko.

>>692795641
Aw, look at this cute little sheep. Society's got big plans for you little guy! Just close your mind, and open your ears. Let the words flow through your mind, don't question what they say! Grades are good! School is good! Listen to what I have to say! You will obey your teachers, they know best for you! You will obey the government, they know the best for you!

Fuck you.

>>692795596
wow what a bitch.

>>692796381
>>692795948
>>692795812
We're moving towards even more of a bureaucracy. You can either change or get left behind with your 'smart but lazy' attitude.

>Aw, look at this cute little sheep. Society's got big plans for you little guy! Just close your mind, and open your ears. Let the words flow through your mind, don't question what they say!

Either way societies not going to change to a future you wish for. You want a system to work for you you don't work against the system but with it. It's not my fault that 'smart but lazy' isn't going to get you anywhere in a bureaucracy.

>>692796660
good ol' ad hom. standard retort of confused normies who just got intellectually rekt and have no response.

>>692797099
no you are just bitchy that is all.

>>692796849
>bureaucracy.

This basically sums up my thoughts on that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsI27lrFWis

If you want to "change" and get brainwashed, more power to you. I'm more than glad to be left behind and still be able to think for myself.

>>692796849
not realizing that all genuses reject social norms and conventions, fucking kek.
Even da vinci hated the narcissistic attitudes of the masses and their elitist nonsense.

>>692797397
you know their are a lot of geniuses throughout history that hated bureaucracy, "the only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency"

>>692779658
I used to think a meritocracy was a good idea. Then I realized grades are for the most part subjective and most people are completely without merit.

>>692797738
>the only thing that saves us from the bureaucracy is its inefficiency
eugene McCarthy, another one is, Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game, and dumb enough to think it's important.

I was never interested in school, got lower to average grades. Even straight up failed ICT.

I later passed Uni with first class honours in programming.

There were also people who got first class honours and can't program for shit. So no, grades are bull shit, good or bad.

>>692797343
i'm a bitch because you're dumb and full of salt? ok, kiddo.

>>692797850
>You have to be smart enough to understand the game, and dumb enough to think it's important.

that quote encompasses the entire concept of "success" and "achievement" in our short, meaningless lives, though.

>>692797913
oh is someone upset, do you have sand in your vagina.

>>692797738
Hopefully one day it becomes so inefficient that it eventually collapses in on itself like a black hole, taking everything with it.

>>692798479
well as long as there are idiots who believe themselves to be special and intelligent, when they are infact mundane, unoriginal and mediocre, then the bureaucracy is here to stay.

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>>692798668
Bureaucracy is here to stay, regardless of the unwashed masses. Everyone will eventually be brainwashed into believing they're special and that the system is great.

>>692779658
>never do math homework
>always have a failing grade in math
>test time
>always pass with high 90 grades
>math grade fluctuates between 70-80

Nah. It is more of a snapshot of how much "work" and understanding you've gained toward a subject.

People could do all their homework and fail tests, but have a decent grade because of the homework curve.
Or vice versa like me.

If you want to test someone's intelligence, a written test is the tip of the iceberg. And the grade reflecting the written test's "difficulty" is a snapshot of your understanding of the material.

They don't because otherwise my girlfriend would have been a C student not a straight A student.

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>>692800502
Nice try anon, we all know you don't have a girlfriend.

>>692800576
And I'm imagining have three kids and a fourth on the way?

>>692800777
Having

>>692800777
Nice trips

>>692800911
Nice dubs.

>>692800777
>Girlfriend
>3 kids
Nice pre-marital sex, enjoy burning in hell.

>>692801052
> enjoy rotting in the dirt and your dead end job

is there anyway to view college results before they are released? i know they have been put up they are just hidden. obviously also hidden in page source.

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>>692801459
Nice try loser, I don't have a job.
Also, I can't enjoy rotting in the dirt, on account of you know, being dead.

>>692779658
In college or big tests that are nation wide yes. However in classrooms it gets trickier. Sure to a certain degree Intelligence plays a part but so does hard work and quite frankly giving the teacher an shiny red apple will help your grade wheter the teacher admits it or not.

>>692801879
>giving the teacher an shiny red apple will help your grade wheter the teacher admits it or not.

Is 'shiny red apple' a euphemism?

>>692801743
> not having a job
> criticizing someone who has enough money to support four kids
Nice bait 7/8

>>692801879
Fucking the teacher helps busting a nut and gets you an a

Sometimes. I know people who get good grades but are completely retarded when it comes to anything not school related. I'd say an actual intellectual is someone who's good with both

>>692802269
You can't take that money with you to hell though.

>>692779658

Personally what I've seen in all three schools I've went to, no not really. Its more about work ethics and less about actual talent in whatever it was you had good or bad grades in. Of course talent helps make it easier but its usually just as bothersome.

I mean everybody knows the famous copypasta of the essay that has to be 100 words. Or math where you basically just had to know the formula from memory and then just write in the numbers.

Personally I think its the wrong way to go, especially in university most of that what you learned in school is practically useless.

Hell I remember one guy in school who simply remembered a whole essay of a certain topic and wrote it down during a test.

The teacher google searched his essay because it was way too good for him and the first site on it had this essay. He got an F of course. But if he went through with it and the teacher wouldn't have researched it, he would have gotten a straight A. Makes you think.

Nope. They only reflect how obidient you are to your corporate masters op.