Fuck this fugly kike bitch. Considering the modern government is throwing its citizens to the wolves, we need the 2nd amendment now more than ever.
Go schlick to more muslims raping and murdering little kids.

>>690888885
aw man, that would've been a good get

>>960888888

>>690888985
derp
>>690888888

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>>690887978

>(((Ginsburg)))

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Got sauce on that quote? Fucking terrifying.

Who gives a fuck what she says. She most likely has no idea where the fuck she is or who the fuck she is 95% of the time.

Bitch is old enough to be Bill Cosby's plantation owner.

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i came

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Hitler was right. We fought for the wrong side and now we're reaping what we sowed.

>>690887978
>burg

If that's what the framers intended, they would have said:

>so long as their is a need for militias to protect sovereignty, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.

Had it been phrased like this, it would have coincided with her idea. But even one of the co-authors of the second amendment said the second amendment is like two wolves and a sheep decided what to eat for lunch, and the sheep is fully armed contesting their decisions. This is why it doesn't coincide her mental gymnastics of the intention of the second amendment.

She's extrapolation intentions that doesn't equate to advances of technology in need of protection against invasions. Using syllogism, you can interpret the right to free speech not equating to the advances of technology such as the phone or the internet since the right can be interpreted that it doesn't redress grievances at this point of time. It's all gimmicks.

>>690889622
http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-09-18/ginsburg-draws-connection-between-immigration-reform-fair-pay-women

That's one source.
Just as clarification, I personally don't own a firearm, yet. I just haven't had the money for one but do plan on purchasing one in the near future. I am an advocate for the second amendment and I think her argument ignores the historical context of that amendment that makes it clear that the authors supported individuals to bear arms. I was just wondering what others thought of it.

>>690887978
Wrong place. That's why there's /pol/.

>>690890151
Eat a dick. This is a random board and my post is a random one. Go back to school summerfag

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>>690887978
>1 out of 9

We already knew she is a liberal retard

>>690890118
Going to play devil's advocate here, her argument has nothing to do with advancements in weaponry, which is a stupid argument, but that the second amendment only applies to well regulated militias because at the time, that was how the US fought the Revolutionary War and it was necessary for citizens to be part of militias, a concept which no longer holds true save for the National Guard.

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>>690890373
Half the court is Jewish, anon. (((Coincidentally,))) half the court are liberal, judicial-review fucks.

>>690890151
This, and when you call them kikes and Jews and cucks it only lets people know your opinion is to be disregarded.

I support gun laws and think CA and NY need to loosen up but if I call people cucks and kikes then they will ignore me.

Try to argue like a non retard.

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>>690890151
bring it motherfuckers

>>690890643
Only 3 but I get what you're saying

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>>690887978
It's cool that we let nine old people decide what words mean for us.

Eat a bullet, jewburg

>>690890813
>calling a spade a spade is grounds for having your argument invalidated

>>>reddit

>>690890813
Am i not allowed to point out coincidences anymore?

>>690890813
https://www.tumblr.com/

There you go faggot. Your political correctness policing holds no water here

>>690887978
Seriously need to stop letting women be judges.
They are a fucking disgrace.

>>690891013
>It's cool that we let nine old people decide what words mean for us.
When their actual job is supposed to be deciding appealed court cases by using the document those words are on.

>>690887978
Ruth Ginsburg is a cunt, and is forgetting about the REAL reason for us to have guns...to fight against tyranny from within, ie, our own government. If our government is the only entity to have guns, we are slaves, and slavery is for the niggers that vote to the left.

>>690890813
And this is why Trump is "so unpopular". Trump calls people names, just like the left, and the (probably) retarded "simple people" are hearing things the way they understand them...which is often vulgar.

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>>690891143
That's how it works now.

If you aren't totally PC then you can't be right about anything.

Don't support gay marriage? Well then you don't get to be upset by 50 of them being murdered because you're such a bigot.

>>690891143
It shouldn't be, but it is. Just argue it "properly" so you can at least get some words out before they block you
>>690891242
You know damn well you are focusing on the Jew factor and generalizing and you know tumble fucks will just use that as ammo saying only rasis folk want guns
>>690891263
I'm trying to help you dumbfuck

>>690891596
Yet the entire point of Trump's popularity is that he doesn't give a shit about being PC

>>690891306
i see we have a brilliant philosopher here.. Bertrand Russell is it you?

Agreed 100%. Ginsburg is one of the few remaining intellectuals in power, and right wingers despise that. Though her historical interpretation of the second amendment is sound, it doesn't regard the argument behind gun rights activists in modern day politics. They aren't saying whether the amendment is a justification, rather that average citizens need to protect themselves from 'criminals' or 'terrorists'. This argument bases itself on the idea that people cannot equally defend themselves when faced with a potential threat of an armed individual that may bring malcontent on the average citizen. To this I would mention that an armed citizen is highly more likely to harm themselves or others than actually face an armed threat. However, for those citizens who do face an armed threat, even though they may be few, do we hinder their ability by refusing them a weapon? Firstly, an assault weapons ban does not hinder this. They could have a handgun, even concealed still. Secondly, there are security forces (security, police, military) that are trained to use these weapons. Thirdly, is an armed citizen equally mitigating to an armed threat? Not necessarily. more often than not, negotiation or discussion can minimize a threat. Even school teachers are now told to defend themselves by whatever means necessary (throwing chairs, books, tables at intruders).

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>>690892232
Goddam tl;dr

>>690892232

>Agreed 100%
Stopped reading here.

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>>690887978

100% correct.

Anyone who doesn't understand this is the purpose and intention of the second amendment is retarded.

>>690892232
Fourthly, this doesn't regard radical and supremacists ideology that the opportunity to end a threat to the largely white (or whatever demographic is dominant in the situation) as necessary. But that ideology is set for fail in the reality of the demographics that makeup the untied states

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if you like tight gun laws then move to mexico

>>690892325
>>690892431
More than likely you did read it. Or you made a quick assumption and stopped reading like you do with every political opinion that is seemingly in disagreement with your own preconceived notions. Then again, you are on /b/. My suggestion is that return to falling to trans or beast porn and forget this thread

>>690891825
I was being facetious. He is popular because he is calling people out, and not being a cuck like everyone he was running against. He is popular because he is not holding back.

>>690892735
What's the point when liberals are trying to bring mexico here.
Let's face the facts. They just don't want white people to have guns.

>>690892735
issue with mexico is, that due to the weak border control and the huge US marekt for drugs and the easy access to guns in the US, you have a ton of US guns in mexico.

I don't say that americans bring drugs and crime or that they are rapists, but some love to sell guns to criminals.

>>690892232
>one of the few remaining intellectuals in power
This is where I stopped because I bet the rest of the intellectuals in power are all left-leaning, emotional progressives, right?

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>>690893188
Thanks in part to the fast and furious program.

And that still doesn't explain how cartels get full autos and explosives in such large quantities.

>>690887978
she is the kind of woman that has a fantasy of being raped by a black man.

>>690887978
jews are winning their war againts America long time, Media (news, entertaiment, ect...), Banks, politics, now the constitution, that America that was build no longer exist because is has being taken by foreigners that I agreed.

>>690892232
I'll take a bite. If you and I are both faced with the potential of being robbed, and the thief knows I'm armed with a firearm, and you're not, they'd more likely than not go after you. You can try and talk to them but if they are stealing from you for necessity, whether they need shit to sell for rent, bills or for drugs or whatever reason, you won't be able to talk them out of it easily. Also, if you think throwing a table at someone with a gun pointed to you is plausible, you're deluded.

Now I skipped over one of your arguments, but don't think I'm going to ignore it. This is the one about gun owners harming themselves. That same argument that you should ban something because it could potentially harm the owner can be applied to literally anything: cars, motorcycles, knives, swimming pools, pencils, you name it.

>>690893513
Can someone break this down?

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>>690887978

>one more liberal judge and this will be the prevailing view of the Supreme Court.

I can't wait.

>>690893513
privilege to bear arms

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>>690893960
>sure bud

>>690894334
>disliked by college cucks, welfare queens, and women who will vote for vagina

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>>690894404
oy vey

>>690893531

The cartels gets full autos and explosives from the Mexican armed forces. The recruits goes in, trained in how to use guns and explosives, steals the ordnance and go work for the cartels.

Good amount of these weapons comes from other corrupted states where weapons are stolen and ended up smuggled to various cartels.

>>690893960
>>690893513

maybe this earlier version makes it clear, what they might have aimed for:

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person."

>>690894787
> welfare queens
you mean like wallstreet and wallmart, apple, oil companie, etc. owners, who pay almost no taxes, get giant bailouts or subcedies and use public recources like roads, the police, etc. for free?

>>690895731
I was hoping to have the picture that was posted explained.

>>690895515
Militaryfag here. the .50cal is the only part I care about

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>>690887978

And her thoughts on the the Third Amendment?

I like how she states there is a purpose for the Second Amendment, then gives her opinion on why it's outdated. Great! I have opinions as well. So what. Use the system to abolish it then.

This nation has never had American soldiers forced into the homes of its citizenry for quarter, but I'd be damned if they tried. Or is this thought process via the Third Amendment just antiquated?

>>690892232
>even school teachers are told to defend themselves by any means

Right, wouldn't you?

>why take away a weapon from people who need defending?

Exactly our fucking point

>wouldn't a person with a gun harm themselves more than help?

No...? Prove that. Its never happened. Remember the 'why take a weapon away from someone who needs it' bit?

>I agree 100%

Hypocrite.

>>690896121
I'm pretty sure he meant the leeches on society that don't contribute any sort of innovation, goods, or services to society yet ride through life on the backs of hardworking Americans.

She can be the first one through my door when they come to collect if she feels that strongly.

>>690896121
I meant the africans and hispanics.

And it's not like hillary is going to crack down on wall street or whatever

>>690896482
This. These spineless cowards afraid of weapons should be the ones that have to collect firearms. The point of that amendment is so I can protect myself from such tyranny and I wouldn't mind the pricks wanting me to not have the right to defend myself personally grab it from me and other Americans and in turn become the source of blood we use to water the tree of liberty with.

>>690887978
The full text of the second amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

She is not entirely wrong. The second amendment - as we can tell both from the text and the correspondence of those who ratified it - was created for the purpose of establishing state and local volunteer (or draft) militias that could protect the state in times of war. Part of that was money, as she said - the U.S. government came into existence piss broke, and could not have realistically raised the money to pay for a professional standing army if it had wanted to. But another big part of it was that our founders were afraid that a standing army could be used as part of a coup or so some such and would be more of a threat than it was worth, and did not want any such army.

Long since then, our federal government has stopped being broke and in fact now spends more on its professional standing army than makes any fucking sense whatsoever. Which means two things:
1) Militias are obviously no longer necessary for the defense of the state, and
2) Militias are no longer capable of defending us from the state.

The second amendment is absolutely outdated, in that it can no longer fulfill either of the two purposes for which it was penned. And that would make a compelling argument for considering legislative change, but certainly not for judicial invalidation, as the judiciary has no power to rule that laws have become "outdated."

>>690887978
So by Ginsberg's reading of 2A, a well regulated militia is 'necessary' - and a standing Army Navy AirForce and USMC are not.
So, easy, disband the unconstitutional regular forces, and make every citizen exercise their right to bear and be the Militia of the USA.

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>>690893960

It's simple. It's stating the right of the people (militia) and the right of the individual shall not be infringed. In the case of the Second Amendment, that is the right to own and operate arms (guns). Why? Because the right to defend oneself, and by proxy a group of people, the militia, against forces, is a God-given right for all humans that shall not been alienated by the government.

As Americans, we have the right to buy and own and use weapons (guns) to defend ourselves from attacker(s), even if they reside in government.

Google
>The Battle of Athens
for a good idea of how bad government can subjugate its citizenry

>>690896350
Right, GM makes shit quality cars, goes down the sink, and then literially costs the American people twice as much in one instance of being bailed out as welfare does for the entire country for several years?

Fucking backasswords thinking. I bet you supported the bailouts.

>>690897175
I'm looking for a breakdown of the grammar lesson behind the picture as opposed to anything else.

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>>690897050

And how does that relate to the individual at all?

The individual right to bear arms? Right to counsel? Right to due process? Etc.

You forget that the original 10 Amendments, the Bill of Rights, are for the people. Individually and as a collective of free people exercising their individual rights.

And militias are the people. The Army (military) is different and always will be. You can't quit the Army, for example, willy-nilly. The militia is a group of individuals who can come and go to protect the State or its rights against other States or the federal government.

>>690887978
>ginsburg

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>>690897462

Look at Scalia's writing on the recent Heller case and the recent McDonald case. He details the grammar to a tee and why the founders wrote it that way.

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>>690887978

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>>690898040
gun control in real life

>>690897259
I don't agree with the bailouts. I support a free market and I'd probably agree with you that they're the result of a crony capitalist system.

That aside, your argument is full of shit.

"The auto companies have now repaid taxpayers every dime and more of what my administration invested in."

Do you know who said that? President Obama. If I give you five bucks, and you pay me back six in a week after interest, you haven't cost me anything. It's that simple. Now this isn't true because of the $80 billion we spent, we only recovered $70 billion, so we lost $10 billion, which is a lot of money. Now, how much does welfare cost the US annually? According to a UC Berkeley study, $152 billion. Turn off the Young Turks and actually research this shit. It's simple math.

#rekt

>>690897259
what he said.... kind of.

My point was, that I find it strange that the biggest walfare queens, who get millions in benefits, aren't called out, but a single mother of 4 is the problem!?

>>690894491
Fucking kek

>>690898239
So gun control brings this every 10 years or so, while no gun control brings an equal amount of deaths in less than a month.

And you think no gun control is the way to go?

>>690891306
Let me ask u something . The fuck are we gonna domagainst our own military they would fuck our shit up so bad they wouldnt even have to look rhis way and theyed desrroy a neiborhood in miutes

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>>690898881

Substitute drugs for guns.

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someone posted this earlier...

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>>690898964

You never studied

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>>690899119
and I had to think this right away!

>>690899192
What's the situation here? My house is burning, but I'm somewhere else, and somehow I know of the fire before the fire department?

Pretty sloppy analogy

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>>690887978
I'm not American.
But she's kinda right, although that doesn't mean they should be banned. The gun violence problem in the US is one of culture. Just look at Switzerland where people need to keep their guns after military service, yet gun violence is nonexistent there.

>>690899076
>Substitute drugs for guns.

what is your point?

Countries who have more gun control than the US on average have much less gun deaths.

With drugs it is actually the opposite. Countries with less anti drug laws, like portugal, swizerland or the neatherlands, they have less crime regardings drugs, less drug use and less drug deaths, than the US where they have a huge war against drugs policy!

>>690899685

No nignogs, BTW

>>690892735
Those arms are disgusting

>>690899699
>Countries who have more gun control than the US on average have much less gun deaths.

Ever heard of a little place called Mexico?

>>690899892
They do have some, mostly Ethiopian immigrants and it did result in an increase in crime, but mostly petty crime, since Africans are incompetent

>>690887978
Who gives a fuck about the constitution? Some old ass shit, written in outdated times, by a bunch of morons.

>>690900000
Well meme'd, friendster. :-)

Conservative interpreting the Constitution - this limits the government and expresses the people's rights.

Liberal interpreting the Constitution - says here I'm God.

>>690900395
and mexico doesn't count because?

>>690900000
>Ever heard of a little place called Mexico?

You mean that place where they have a ton of US guns smuggled over the border and huge cartels but still less gun deaths than in the US?

>>690887978
typical revisionist liberal who thinks they know better than the founders of the country. a group of literal geniuses

>>690901367
Especially all those bullet button CA legal ones. The cartels really raise hell with those.

>>690900882
Because only white counties are held accountable for their problems and brown countries get a free pass because of their inherent inferiority.

>>690901367
Their homicide rate via firearms nearly doubles ours. The only reason we have more gun deaths in the states is due to suicide rate, and I know for a fact that I don't have to fear that one day I'm going to break into my house and shoot myself. It's your choice to take your own life but the fact that you make that decision cannot infringe upon my rights.

>>690896292

Yup. Shit got approved to be sold by the State Department for export. Ended up stolen and sold to the cartels.

With the amount of hardware floating out there and the cartels being expert at smuggling stuff, I'm surprised RPGs and manpads ain't seen regularly yet.

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>>690901367
inb4racist

I love how these fags dont even understand what a militia is. I like the part where they totally gloss over "RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE" and "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" and people totally suck it up. In short, get fucked ugly kike cunt judge.

>>690902475
>>690902475
truth.

the words are simple and clear, and written there with purpose libfags

https://youtu.be/Hx23c84obwQ

>>690901367
>>690901907
oh you are right, my bad looked at the wrong number, but that is the reason why I said "on average" cause you can always cherry pick your data and of course there are other factors aswell.

My reply was to a picture from paris, saying THAT was due to gun control in france, while the US has a homocide rate of over 15 times that of france.

In Mexico it is easy to get guns partly to to closeness to the US and their weak gun laws and the weak border protection.

memebump

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>>690902172
I wonder why that list starts at 50

>>690902831
I'm not cherry picking though. I'm literally telling you what numbers I'm using without trying to obscure anything from you. You're the one that chose to defend Mexico by saying they have lower gun deaths and after I reasonably dismissed it, moved on to another example like a pigeon shitting all over the board during a chess game. I can pick a country with lax gun laws and argue with it being the prime example of a country of armed citizens. Switzerland has about the same homicide rate with firearms that France does. There you go bud. We can keep going back and forth this way or you can have a meaningful conversation about why homicide rates are high and what we can do to combat this.

Also, you did not say "on average," nor did you mention any nuance in your post there.

And who gives a shit if people have guns or not. People don't just start shooting as soon as they're given a gun, there are other reasons why people commit crimes and you pretending that the possession of firearms is the one we need to focus on is a distraction only a sheep like you would accept.

>>690887978
The 2nd amendment guarantees the right to maintain a militia AND the right for citizens to own and carry firearms. The interpretation that the right to bear arms is explicitly for militiamen is a fallacy
Also the whole shall not be infringed thing

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>>690902172
>>690903524
now lets look at the top 20, wow all those countries with black ppl, like Honduras (3% black).

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rights don't mean shit

if you don't have a gun then you're a subject

>>690903524
What are you? Retarded? Because according to the math, that's where the US would lie if we all killed each other like blacks. Now if you want to speak out against Central and Southern Americans as well, then by all means, go ahead.

>>690890514
But our forefathers designed it to be intentional ambiguous. That is, to be malleable for whatever may happen in the future. One interpretation is that we use that malleability for gun control, and another is to keep it as is.

>>690887978
No bitch. The ammendment is too protect you muricans from a corrupt government

>>690904163
What part of "shall not be infringed" is ambiguous?

>>690889648
Underrated post

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>>690903524
>Americas
>Lumping USA and Canada in with all of South America

>>690903837
the stats dont lie retard. yes, south americans kill each other more than africans. but the original post you responded to shows if the US was all black, we would have the same murder rate as all the african countries. it wasnt an argument saying the most in the world

fuck this kike, they're not going to take my guns. Once these boogeymen come i'm not going to sit idly and let myself get fucking assraped by ahmed and goldberg.

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>>690890813

>>690903566
>Also, you did not say "on average," nor did you mention any nuance in your post there.

here I help you with the reading:
>>690899699
>Countries who have more gun control than the US on average have much less gun deaths.

someone else did mention mexico and even though we were talking about france I looked up the death by gun for mexico, and used the wrong number.
I wasn't "all over the board", I just returned to the original topic "paris attack", when I saw that the number for mexico was indeed higher.

>example of a country of armed citizens. Switzerland
Most guns in switzerland are owned by former army members who were trained to handle the weapon. A required training before buying a gun is a good idea in my eyes, like driving a car, etc.

Gun ownership numbers are around the same (even lower I think) than in germany or france and the gun laws in switzerland are very similar to the once in germany and france!

You have to have a criminal background check for buying guns and ammunition and you need a permit.
In general you have to lock your UNLOADED weapons.
If you want to get a carry permit, you have to have a reason, like being in law enforcement, private security or there is a special threat to your life (like for some celebraties or politicians).

I never said that I favor the banning of guns, I always said it is about weak vs tough gun laws.
Switzerland and all of europe has strict gun laws, but also a lot of guns, as switzerland or germany has a gun club in every city and village.

Warren v District of Columbia. the police and the government are not obligated to protect you in your home. you have to protect yourself.

>>690904665
>>Americas
>>Lumping USA and Canada in with all of South America

I know ppl from the US like to forget that "america" is more than the USA, but it is.

Oh and lumping all of africa (20% of world landmass) together is fine, while lumping north america (16%) and south america (12%) together is outrages?

>>690905376
I don't think you'd find that French and German gun laws are all that close to Swiss gun laws. I in one hand love the way the Swiss handle guns and would like to see something like that in the states. Now the thing with the attacks in Paris is that it's not necessarily gun control in France that causes the homicide rate to be lower, I think culture is the biggest factor and that's where the attention should be focused on.

>>690905376
you can carry a loaded concealed handgun in 1/5 of america with zero permits or licenses, provided you legally own and can possess the gun, of course. in those 10 states, the world is not falling apart into anarchy

in fact, if you look at arizona, they have the lowest homicide rate per 100,000 capita in the last 50 years. if you look at the data, since 2010 when they implemented constitutional carry, all their violent crime rates show a sudden drop just after 2010 and continue to fall

>>690905863
Do you know what a colloquialism is?

>>690905863
yes, because america north america is overwhelmingly white european, and south america is all indigenous brown people.

and africa is all black

so it makes sense at face value that culturally you cant just lump a bunch of uneducated, poverty stricken, violent brown people in south america with the world's greatest superpower and #1 nation in quality of life

lol exactly what a jew would say

>>690906519
lol exactly what a literally hitler would say

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I wish Americucks realised that you wouldn't need to protect yourselves with guns if barely anyone had them.

What right do you have to take another human life?

Yeah i get some nigs are gonna nig and that deserves punishment but if there was no guns but you had a taser youd be laughing whilst they shit themselves on the floor.

Fucking wasters i can't wait till you fuck yourselves up, which will happen.

>>690906759
hitler was dumb and seems like he was really annoying

>>690907128
lol exactly what a jew would say

>>690906077
>don't think you'd find that French and German gun laws are all that close to Swiss gun laws

do you have an example for that, cause the Swiss, even though they are not member of the EU, have to abide by EU law to be allowed to have open borders and trade with EU countries.

>Now the thing with the attacks in Paris is that it's not necessarily gun control in France that causes the homicide rate to be lower,
The post I was replying to (originally), argued, that the paris attack was due to the weak gun laws.

>I think culture is the biggest factor and that's where the attention should be focused on.
So you think it would be possible to change the culture of a country? Sure culture, econemy, poor vs. rich, job market, etc. are all factors, but so are guns.

We can't change some backward idiology or some calture or at least that is really really difficult, which doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but gun regulation is something we can do easily.

Ppl who are not allowed to fly on a plane are allowed to buy a gun legally. I have no idea how someone can think that that makes sense.

>>690898239
look at this .. >>690898881

Also do you really think you'd be allowed to take your firearms in a place like that if you could own one?

Fucking stupid Americans. I get it's part of your culture and shit but how don't you realise the danger.

>>690907238
im the one that originally said that lol exactly would a jew would do, use my comment against me

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>>690887978
Agree with her ninety percent. I don't think we should outlaw all gun ownership, but the amendment is outdated and should have been revised a hundred years ago. This and the NRA are responsible for the fucked up state we're in today. The wild west was over a long time ago.

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>>690890373
1 out of 8

>>690907584
leave america if you dont like it

>>690907395

Laws only stops those who obeys the law. Them punks with fully automatic firearms has zero respect for any gun laws. To them they're just words on paper.

When they want to attack, laws won't stop them.

>>690906179
>Do you know what a colloquialism is?
I know the meaning but I didn't know the word.
(german here)
And you might missed my point. I also say "america" when I talk about the USA, but I don't think it is outrages to say "America" and talking about the continent.

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hmm

>>690893513
if you knew anything about US history or government, you'd know (1) this wasn't the first revision and (2) the final revision was accidentally cut off.

the intention was to keep militias and have them ready and armed to fend off the british.

we have the national guard now.

no one "needs" or has a right to keep guns.

The second amendment is out purposed as it was put in place to fight the government. And since they have Apache attack helicopters and we don't,m we are kinda fucked anyway.

>>690887978
Everyone should have a gun ready to shoot these Jewish cunts. Every single adult should be trained in firearms usage and carrying loaded weapons 24/7. The only real way to assert your will in this world is to kill those who oppose you.

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>>690907707
GUESS WE BETTER NOT HAVE ANY LAWZ THEN!

>>690907040
theres too many people on this planet
wiping out a few billion of us would be the best thing humanity could do for earth

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>>690907873
>no one "needs" to keep guns

>>690907882

So we should just cave in to tyranny or resort to Twitter to protest right?

>>690907873

National Guard is still with the government. The whole purpose is to resist tyrannical government.

Or just give up resisting and let the government take care of you and cull as many of you as they see fit.

>>690908068

Laws only matter to those who gives a fuck about laws.

We're trying to fight against those bastards who are trying to harm us. Sometimes you have to shoot back.

>>690907707
Do you know how hard it is for someone in my country to get a firearm? And if anyone sees you with one, you'll almost definitely be arrested there and then.

Even if you had a firearm or managed to get one, it would be a large effort, costly and you're likely only doing it to kill a certain person or a few people. Also there are so few it's eassier for authorities to keep checks on who may/may not be buying/selling them. So i feel like i'm safe.

Obviously you're gonna get mad shooters it happens everywhere. But when such a large proportion of your population own guns, how can you feel safe?

>I'm 24 and have only ever seen a gun in a police officers (ARU) hands.
>Britfag

>>690887978

She needs to die of a heart attack already

>>690908131

You can set an example and go first.

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>>690907040
>trump election
>world war
>mfw

>>690907707
>Laws only stops those who obeys the law.
you know that that is a universal argument? You could argue against every law this way.

But you are right, you can't stop a criminal from buying a gun ever or anywhere 100%, but you can make it very hard and very expencive.

I'm a criminal and I want to commit a crime. I need a gun.

USA: I go on a website where I can order wihtout background check and get the gun per mail for a decent prize, oh how great is capiltalizm.
EU: I go and look for an illegal gun. I look online and when I'm lucky I don't meet up with a secret agent and I don't meet a criminal who will just rob me instead of selling a gun. So I find a decent illegal gun dealer, who still wants more than 10 times the amount of money you have to pay on the US website. You could smuggle it yourself, etc.

You would have to invest much more planing, time and money. Sure it is hard to prevent a terroristic attack, but a mentally distubed person or a guy who hates his boss or a gay muslim who hates his self for being gay, would not have a gun liing around and would not be able to buy one on short notice and therefor not do it with a gun, but a knife or not at all.

>>690908343
Well we definitely should count on one of two things. Not having to get into a direct confrontation militaristically reminding them through numbers that if they kill to many of us, no one will do thier work for them anyway. But also look who is in the military. Almost all of them are family types "for 'merica" types. We'd probably lose all the marginalized parts of the population, but when it's down to just white people being the only ones left to go after, you think all those rednecks are gonna keep listening? Honestly, if shit gets too bad, I'll just fucking leave and lets the rest of you assholes deal with this shit. There isn't enough good in this country worth fucking fighting for a this point.

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>>690908202
we have a national guard, moron.

syria doesn't.

but let's play your game...

how do you plan on shooting down a predator drone?

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>>690908887
you ignorant faggot, nowhere in america can you legally go on the internet and order a gun without a background check through the mail

fucking retards having opinions about shit they dont know

>>690908343
So what is more likely.

The ppl rise up against their goverment,

A: with guns
B: with peaceful protest MLK style

which group A or B will the tyrannicle goverment shoot quicker?

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>>690909021
> nowhere in america
> on the internet
> thinks ebay = the internet

>>690908470

Because not everyone who owns guns are going to turn into murderous assclowns.

I grew up in another country before becoming an American citizen. Hard to obtain firearms legally in the old country but people will make them. Ironically, grenades are easier to get. Some acquaintances of mine carries sticks of dynamite and a sawn off shotgun to school every damn day. Another packed two revolvers to school. I was broke, I can only afford a locally made single shot break open handgun in 12 gauge.

Still feel safer in America than back in the old country.

>>690908202
yeah sending money and guns to "rebells" like on 9/11 (1973) in chile or with Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein was always a great idea!

>>690909225

Both, they expect resistance from group A, target practice from group B.

You are assuming that tyrants gives a damn about how people protest.

>>690909235
im 100% right and you are 100% wrong faggot, deal with it and educate yourself so you stop embarrassing yourself and pissing off all your little antigunner friends for making their crowd look extra retarded


>>690909235
if you are implying people who use the dark web for illegal purposes at the outset, then your argument is retarded because no amount of legislation is going to control a black market underground deep web illegal transfer of illegal goods.

>>690908887

Look up P.A. Luty, his gun designs are popping up all over the place.

I can buy a gun online, have it shipped to my local gun dealer who will do a background check. After I passed that background check, I get the gun. If I do not pass, they alert the police and the ATF about my attempt to purchase.

So no, they just don't ship a firearm via post after you buy it.

Bad people exists, sometimes you have to shoot back. Sometimes a guy in a wheelchair might have to shoot someone coming after him with a knife.

>>690909021
>faggot
not everyone smarter than you is a faggot

>fucking retards having opinions about shit they dont know
oh the irony!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/05/barack-obama/obama-violent-felons-can-buy-guns-online-without-b/

sure you have to pick it up at a local gun shop, but it is sold to you online, send per mail and without background check!

>>690907040
What are knives?

>>690909957

Dude, they have to send it to a licensed gun shop that have to conduct a background check. If you don't pass, you don't get the gun.

The process is still the same if I buy from a gun shop. I have to fill out a 4473 form with all my information on it so there is a record for the ATF to track and that same information is sent to the FBI to do the background check. I have to do this for all of my guns. 30 times already.

>>690909479
>You are assuming that tyrants gives a damn about how people protest.

Actually to some extend they do. Of course I think of a somewhat functioning society.
It is much easier to sell killing group A to the public than killing group B.

Hitler outlawed/killed communists when they" attackt the goverment" with public support cause they were "criminals" and stopped killing handicapped ppl, after peaceful protest.

Or look at peaceful protests in the DDR or at Guhandi or Mandela.

MLK is seen as a civil rights hero by most while the black pantas are seen as a terrorist organisation by many.

since i'm registered in the selective service, i am a part of the state militia :^)

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>>690909957
do you have reading comprehension issues? read your own fucking source: "Federal law prohibits felons from purchasing or receiving guns unless their rights have been formally restored. However, felons can get around this obstacle by buying guns from sellers who do not require criminal background checks."

FEDERAL LAW PROHIBITS FELONS FROM PURCHASING OR RECEIVING GUNS

you fucking imbecile, those are private party transactions, not retail sales from gun shops or licensed gun dealers. literally the equivalent of random people posting "GUN FOR SALE" on craigslist. people sell drugs like this all the time, yes it is possible, but highly illegal and far more likely to end up in your own "EU" scenario of undercover police stings.


nothing about your made up scenario of buying guns on the internet is legal or legitimate.

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>>690909957
as a private seller, it is a federal crime to sell a firearm to someone who can't legally possess it. that's not a loophole, that is just people breaking the law. is buying marijuana from the corner dealer instead of a using your state issued medical marijuana card to go to the dispensary a loophole?

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>>690907040
>Whilst
Get out of here

>>690908343
>The whole purpose is to resist tyrannical government

No, not at all. It was because the country couldn't maintain its own military at the time.

>>690909888
>Sometimes a guy in a wheelchair might have to shoot someone coming after him with a knife.

we look at this totally different.

I think a person in a wheelchair can fight of a knife with bair hands more easily than he can fight of a gun. The guy in the wheelchair would have to be on high alert at all times and have good reflexes. This is much easier when the attacker has only a knife, instead of a gun.

I'm from germany and I would never ever expect to be attacked by a gun ever.
The likelyhood to have an accident on the Autobahn is a million times higher, but I still happily drive 150mph on a regular basis without ever thinking about the risk, cause it is so small.
Everytime I've been to the US I have seen guns and police going crazy.

you can buy a gun via "mail" without background check
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/05/barack-obama/obama-violent-felons-can-buy-guns-online-without-b/
it could be easier, but still it is a 1000 times easier than in the EU for example.

(btw in germany you need a background check for buying a gun, buying ammunition, buying gun powder or buying chemicles to mix gun powder)

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>>690899699
>Countries that criminalize drug use less have less crimes that involve drugs.

By your logic, if we made killing each other in cold blood legal, then there would be almost no crime at all! Let's do that!

Idiot.

>>690910543

At that point, MLK was trying to apply for a concealed carry permit. He knew that they were gunning for his ass. The government does not want to shoot him outright because they don't want to be seen as savages killing unarmed folks. They could say fuck it and go full bore, but they didn't. MLK had armed folks guarding him wherever he stayed.

Black Panthers were seen as more radical than MLK. No one wants to start anything with them because they will shoot back.

>>690887978
It's a valid argument.

It's been rejected repeatedly by the majority.

There are 9 Supreme Court justices. Not one.

Arguing that way also sets a dangerous precedent for how other parts of the Constitution are interpreted.

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>>690910980
it was for both. actually the militia was the primary defense of townships, and served as a recruiting device for the ruling government. the american militia was summoned by the brits themselves to fight the french in the french indian war


if american citizens are not part of the militia, why do we still have to register for selective service? registering able bodied men for the practice of calling up for defense and arms is a practice that predates the united states.

Isn't she just saying what most people already realize? I agree 100% but it doesn't matter because I'm Canadian.

>>690887978
By that argument we only needed free speech until the government had enough money to set up its own sources of information dissemination.

The Bill or Rights is a list of protected individual freedoms, not a list of convenience to help the federal government until they had the cash to do it themselves.

That is a moronic argument and would set a very poor precedent for the interpretation of the rest of the Bill of Rights.

>>690910740
>do you have reading comprehension issues?
no, do you have?
Here I help you out:
"it is illegal for private sellers to transfer a gun to someone they either know or reasonably believe is prohibited from owning a gun, for example, if the seller knows the buyer is a felon"

>nothing about your made up scenario of buying guns on the internet is legal or legitimate.

SELLING guns is legal online without background check, aslong as you don't know that the person you sell it to isn't allowed to buy it.
If that is not a loophole then I don't know what is.

>>690910895
>is buying marijuana from the corner dealer instead of a using your state issued medical marijuana card to go to the dispensary a loophole?

if you can legally buy from the guy at the corner and he is allowed to sell it to you and doesn't has to check if you have a "medical marijuana card" as long as he doesn't know that you are not allowed to buy from him... yeah then I would still call it a loophole.

Like in Amsterdam, where growing and trading (bigger amounds) of marijuana is illegal. You are allowed to smoke it and sell it in coffeeshops, but you are not allowed to trade it.
So the coffeeshops themself more or less are not allowed to buy it, only to sell it, which is a giant loophole!

>>690911476
this. the fourth amendment was created in a time when constables and police had to physically come to your house and search your physical belongings. this was a time before internet, hard drives, and computers. therefore, the fourth amendment shouldn't apply to modern technology like warrantless phone taps and digital surveillance, amirite?

>>690910980

The Founding Fathers knows human nature and the corrupting potential of power. They just got done fighting England. They know that this will happen again and must have safeguard in place.

>>690911220

I own upwards of 30 guns. I have to get a background check for the majority of them. The ones I don't have a check for is because I have a concealed carry permit from the government that did a background check and deem me as a responsible citizen that can carry guns around. The private seller and myself fill out a transaction form after we both look at each other's ID and permits to make sure that we are both legal. So I still have to be sure I'm not buying a stolen gun, he has to be sure he's selling to someone who can own guns.

Beg to differ on the bare hand against knives. I've studied knife fighting, I have yet to find and instructor who will say that it is preferable or easier to fight against knives with bare hands. One of the thing you must do is to get off the line of attack, I doubt very much that a man in a wheelchair can be that quick to change his position to get away from the attack.

I lived most of my adult life in America, have yet to see the police going crazy. I was stopped by the police on multiple occasions while having guns on me, no problems at all. Actually, once was after o pick up a purchase from a gun store. I had 1 shotgun, one AK-47, a pistol and one AR-15 in the car along with 400 rounds of ammunition for the AK-47, 100 shotgun shells, 60 rounds for the pistol (Glock 19) and still have no problems from the police.

>>690911282
yeah I can see how you didn't understand what I was trying to say, as I stated it somewhat misleading, but maybe you should first try to understand a point, before you call the person making it an "Idiot".

With my statement
>less crime regarding drugs
I was referring to the things that were crimes before and which are connected to the drug market but not about the drugs.
Portugal for example has less crimes like stealing and assault connected to drugs.

I will give you a little example:
If you steal money from someone selling marijuana illegally and someone selling it legally. One will go to the police, while the other will beat the shit out of the you.

>>690912969
for fucks sake how can someone be this dumb.

you are literally on par with the retard tier anti-gun documentary katie couric did where their producer video taped themselves breaking multiple federal laws trying to show "how easy it is to legally buy a gun"


>SELLING guns is legal online without background check, as long as you don't know that the person you sell it to isn't allowed to buy it.
If that is not a loophole then I don't know what is.
that's called you being an idiot and making up illegal scenarios where you then falsely claim they are legal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat
Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not"[1] and "ignorance of law excuses no one"[2] respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because he or she was unaware of its content.

The second amendment was about the people being able to defend themselves from an oppressive government. Because England their current government at the time was killing them with taxes and levies by using force.

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>>690912969
look moron, even your liberal washpost can grasp the facts in an easy to read manner

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/08/05/is-it-really-so-easy-to-buy-a-gun-over-the-internet/

>>690887978
ugly scum

>>690913218
>Beg to differ on the bare hand against knives. I've studied knife fighting, I have yet to find and instructor who will say that it is preferable or easier to fight against knives with bare hands. One of the thing you must do is to get off the line of attack, I doubt very much that a man in a wheelchair can be that quick to change his position to get away from the attack.

still I think it is easier for a guy in a wheelchair to survive an attack with a knife than one with a gun.

>>690913218
>The private seller and myself fill out a transaction form after we both look at each other's ID and permits to make sure that we are both legal.

So what is the issue to have a law that requires background checks everytime you buy/sell a gun? No exception.

Jew's gonna jew

>>690887978
totally agree. thanks rbg

>>690887978
>right to bear arms
>obligation to form a militia

She's taking that interpretatio so far it wouldn't even pass in a first year writers craft class.

>>690913218
just to show an example of a country with "tougher" gun laws, where the freedom and guns "are taken away"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0-J2pYLCvI

>>690892735
>read top half of image
Well, she obviously cares about children, I don't see the big deal

>scroll down
>I had an abortion XD

Oh, I get it.

>>690890514
This is exactly the case. Scalia's decision to be a strict originalist, and yet set aside the entire militia clause of the Constitution, will echo through history as one of his most famous of shitty decisions. And the guy's entire judicial history is rife with shitty decisions.

>>690914086
the issue is privacy. what is the issue of the NSA sorting through all your text messages, internet traffic, and phone calls? if you have nothing to hide, why not let the government check up on you?

>>690911605
This moron... Really tired of lists of posts with the most pathetic of snide comments. Hipsters ought to have their fingers broken for using /b/.

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>>690914568
free americans have a disdain for being on a list. a list of gun owners. europe's history has given us a distrust of being 'registered'

>>690914086
why are people who would fail a background check allowed out of prison to mingle in free society? if they aren't considered safe enough to be trustworthy with a weapon, why do you trust them to roam around the streets of your neighborhoods?

>>690911803
She is. Over 80% of Americans support gun control in general, and over 90% support universal background checks, including something like 70% of NRA members. It's the Gun Companies and the leadership of the NRA who spend millions fighting it, because they make tens of millions by fighting it.

/b/ is only holding a contrary position because 14 year old fappers love to imagine themselves as the hero of an action movie, and restricted access to guns means they can't be that hero. They like to ignore the fact that they're 300 pound diabetics missing three toes and could never do that heroic slow running scene, because the stairs from the basement are sooo tough, and the sun outside burns them.

It's about Ironic Trolling, in their minds. And racism. The neo-reactionaries of /b/ are the subjects of news reports, so keep that in mind when reading /b/.

>>690914086

The line between survival from knife attack and death is very thin. The best way is to shoot back, unless you think the person in a wheelchair should train in martial arts that won't make up for the fact that he is still very disadvantaged because of his lack of mobility.

Background check do not stop every thing. The guy that shot up the club in Orlando passed the background check to buy guns. He was also subjected to FBIs comprehensive background check at least once (the FBI interviews your friends and family that knows you for over 7 years). He was also under investigation by the FBI on two separate occasions.

The background checks every time is a hassle. I have a concealed carry permit which means I went through both state and federal level background checks, another one is just a waste of time. That's like you have to take a driving test before you use your care every month.

>>690913541
>for fucks sake how can someone be this dumb.
you talk about yourself right now... right?

I'm not a lawyer and I just quoted the article from politifact you seemed to have an issue to understand.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat
is the same in germany, but like I quoted from politifact, it is only illegal, if you know that the other person isn't allowed to buy the gun.

It is not the case, that the person selling a gun ignores a law, but the law doesn't require for him to do a background check. The law allows him to be ignorant, but not ignorant of the law, but ignorant of the possibility, that the person buying the gun might brake the law.
And you can't be held accountable for someone else breaking the law.

This is something else than what you refer to.

>>690914339

I grew up in a worse place. So people buy guns from criminals or make their own.

>>690915126
>The guy that shot up the club in Orlando passed the background check to buy guns.
and you think that makes sense? Right now you can not be allowed to use a plane, but buy a gun?

>>690915126
>The line between survival from knife attack and death is very thin.
There are more mass shootings in the US than days every year. Mass-stabbings are much fewer and last time I saw a statistic, it showed, that it is much more likely to survive a stabbing over a shooting.

>my interpretation of it is this....

Naw mate, the 2nd amendment was put into place mainly to thwart tyrannical government. Can this bitch even into history?

>>690915801
you can't stop this government now. stupid argument.

>>690914334
Yes, taking the interpretation used for the first 100 years makes her wrong.

>>690914877
>why are people who would fail a background check allowed out of prison to mingle in free society?

Not a lawyer, but you can't get punished for a crime twice. Now you could say that taking away the right to vote or the right to buy a gun is a punishment, but it is more a safety measure.

>>690915801
Not really. The country was new and several countries were nipping at its heels. And they didn't have an army. The argument that the 2nd amendment deals with tyranny stems from the civil war.

>>690915195
if some guy from your local bar came to you asking to buy your gun, explain to me how you would perform your background check on him

explain how an average citizen, with average resources, is going to background check someone

>>690915106

Did background checks stops the Orlando shooter? He passed the NICS check and also the FBI's background check since the company that he worked for is a government contractor.

Did background checks stopped shooters in Detroit?

Background checks are done all the damn time when you buy guns from FFLs including when they're at gun shows.

So what is it that you want again?

>>690916014
we need to enable you to do that. if you don't, if you circumvent the system, then you are partially guilty in what the gun was used for.

>>690887978
The fourteenth amendment is outdated, too.


Let's make a deal... Get rid of all niggers and we'll get rid of all civilian guns.

>>690916090
background checks need to be stricter, clearly. that's not an argument.

>>690888885

You do understand the government has drones, right?

>>690914717
>europe's history has given us a distrust of being 'registered'
yeah I think you might have a twisted view of that history, as many, especially when talking about guns, don't understand half of it and ignore the other.

I can't really understand it, as in germany, every person has to be registered, but the goverment isn't allowed to tap our phones, who we called or look at our internet traffic without a real couse, while it is the other way around in the US (at least in practice).

She's not wrong. Some smart person said we should change the rules every 20 years to reflect current ideas.
I'm not saying I want you guys to not have guns or anything, I might get one one day too, but that doesn't mean she's wrong about why that amendment exists and what the firepower of the day was. A chore to reload musket

>>690888885
>>690916285

yes who will decide when the government needs to be overthrown? obviously there will never be 100% agreement. which means at best civil war. but you will be stopped long before yuo can build momentum. the gov will get wind of any sort of sedition early enough.

this argument is silly

>>690887978
She's right, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
NRA has more money than god. Lucky thing for us that money trumps ethics in this country.

>>690915126
>The guy that shot up the club in Orlando passed the background check to buy guns. He was also subjected to FBIs comprehensive background check at least once (the FBI interviews your friends and family that knows you for over 7 years). He was also under investigation by the FBI on two separate occasions.

That's why all this discussion is ongoing. Had the FBI known about his later behaviors, they could've stopped him. But GOP intransigence about shared records about persons within the US under investigation makes that tougher. If all the different LEOs could actually instantly find out who's under active and closed investigations, and those inquiries flagged back to the investigating officers, we'd have a lot less of this shit. And using a list of Domestic Violence convictions to block gun purchases would also help.

But keep on shouting 'buh duh constatooshum' like you're making an actual argument.

and 'It's a hassle to check if someone should be able to buy a gun'? GOOD. It should be. The right to buy a gun is not absolute and unfettered.

You fucks are like the assholes who hold up the bible and shout 'it's true because it says it's true'.

>>690887978
A Jew wants to disarm free goyim.

What a shock.

>>690916014
I think it is weird that the two argument I always here is

> it is not possible to buy a gun without background check

and

> it is not possible to do a background check when you sell a gun (privately)

what is it guys?

>>690911605
Well it's a good thing OP said your thoughts on the matter. Fucking dumbass, think before you type.

>>690915946
you missed the premise. i am saying if you don't think someone can be trusted with a gun, what makes you think they can be trusted out in society?

keep in mind, the current prohibiting crimes that prevent you from owning a gun/passing a background check are felonies and violent misdemeanors.

so if you release someone who you think will have a high likelihood of committing a violent act with a weapon, isn't that negligence? if you don't trust someone to not be violent, then they shouldn't be out in public

so either someone does their time in prison, and is released because we are 100% sure they won't be a threat. or they stay in prison/get executed. isn't this what we should ideally be striving for?

>>690916422
We didn't even have 50% agreement on seeking Independence from England. The majority of colonists wanted to stay part of the British Empire.

>>690916571
because they can choose not to do something. but if they choose to do it, we want to make it as difficult as possible for them to get their hands on weapons that allow them to kill many people as they can at once.

>>690915694

The winner in a knife fight is the guy that bleeds out in the OR. Knives still kills more people than guns according to the FBI's crime stats.

Mass shootings redefined as more than one person being shot at? That was redefined from the FBI's definition. Some journalist redefined the definition so according to that new definition there are more mass shooting than there are days.

The watch list that prohibits someone to get on a plane is very arbitrary. The process to get put on one is very opaque, getting off the list is damn near impossible, Ted Kennedy was on that list. The dude that shot up the club passed a multitude of background checks including the one conducted by the FBI so that he can work at government installations. The only background check that is more comprehensive is probably the ones for members of the Armed Forces who might have to handle secret information.

>>690916422
No shit, some people.

Anyone attempting to overthrow the government of the most powerful nation in the world with the biggest legal and military defenses is going to neeed a hell of a lot more than a fucking winchester. This is not the 1800s, and small arms are not even a threat.

The entire notion of the dumbest hillbilly contingent overthrowing the U.S. Government is as hilarious as the idea of them overthrowing the Roman Empire. You don't get to do it. You want to change it, you use law and politics like a big boy.

>>690916528
because in america, we have 50 states, with 50 state laws. and on top of that, we have a federal government, with a set of laws that applies to every 50 states.

Federally, if you buy a gun commercially (from a store, shop, retail outlet, internet), the purchaser is subject to a criminal background check.

Federal has no requirement for private transfer between private citizens (non store, shop, retailers). so if you want to sell your gun to your neighbor/friend/guy on craigslist, you can do it, provided your state law allows it. 12 states require private transfers to come into a gunshop/retailer, and force the retailer to perform a background check. the retailers are allowed to charge for this service, so in effect, this is a state-mandated tax on gun purchasers.

these 12 states also happen to have the worst crime rates and crime infested cities in the entire nation. why, if all people are required to go through a background check? well, that's right, criminals don't buy their guns legally. big surprise

>>690916501
So does most of the country you live in.
Gun owners are a small minority with the most political spending and influence of any special interest group. Everyone else is getting tired of you not being aboe to control your own.

>>690916263

The only ones stricter would be closer to reviewing someone to see if they can be trusted with security clearances.

the navy yard shooter, the Orlando shooter and the Ft. Hood shooter all passed the more stringent background checks.

BTW, background checks would've done nothing to stop the killings in Detroit. All them guns were obtained illegally, mainly theft.

>>690887978
>life is perfect now so you don't need guns no more :)
>probably don't need those other pesky amendments either since we're in a utopia now, we'll get to those later :)

>>690916687
if you think there is the slightest chance they are going to choose to do something, why did you let them out of prison? and why are you forcing people who behave well to pay for background checks?

>>690916687
america has a problem with a revolving prison door. people go in, then get out with a slap on the wrist. maybe instead of making new laws, we should be more strict with the ones we already have

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>>690917282

Because, we as a society can move forward as fast as our slowest retard. If we start excluding social groups the entire thing falls apart. It's a pretty rudimentary concept.

>>690917153
>Federal has no requirement for private transfer between private citizens

yes, and that's a problem. we can start with establishing some framework to check. it could be as simple as "should i sell a gun to this guy" getting back a yes or no. could eve be online or an app.

then if you try to get around it, if he does something criminal with the gun, then you are guilty too.

How did we get morons running this country? How do we allow it to continue? They take everything and give nothing back.

>>690917370
the opposite is true. we have too many laws, many of which are ridiculous. it opens it up to interpretation, of punishment later in courts rather than just not arresting them. it brings more lawyers into society.

we need to require sunsets on every single law. make it so some lawmaker has to put his name on a renewal of the law every couple years.

>>690917435
i don't think criminals should be able to get guns, because i think criminals should be in prison. they shouldn't have been let out in the first place, and liberals are destroying america with their soft-hearted prison and sentencing policies

>>690897175
It doesnt say any of that.
It specifically says "the well-regulated militia, being necessary to the free state", right up front, as the topic statement, as is structured every other amendment.

If they meant "the unregulated arsenal, being necessary to the individual to personally defend themselves", they would have wrote that.

>>690917592
tough shit.

>>690892735
This is satire rugh? Can't even tell anymore with these freaks.

>>690917493
>everyone i don't agree with on every little detail of everything must be a moron

Or, you are.

>>690897175
any collection of people, or an individual, does not constitute a militia you faggot.

>>690917593
this argument has been debunked countless times. well regulated means well equipped dumbass. as in, having the latest technology and a good amount of weaponry

there's always THAT supreme court justice judge. fortunately the rest of them or at least half of them are going to be level headed and objective

the only reason to want to ban guns in the first place is because you get your panties in a twist everytime you turn on the news and they report on some shooting that doesn't even account for 0.001% of the deaths in america that year, but they keep reporting on it because idiots like anti-gun nuts lap it up.

people are always going to murder other people, I'd just like to be armed to defend against the potentiality.

>>690917626
you either believe someone has been rehabilitated in prison, and is now trustworthy of the right to buy a gun, or you let him stay in prison. that is how things should be run