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>>689691211
who is this semen demon?

>>689691602
Not sure but she's a fcking pro drug user for sure. I bet she'd agree with my thinking.

Any comments to topic? Just an agree or disagree is cool

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Fun fact I learned about heroin and opiates and oxys

The substance by itself is perfectly harmless to a body even long term. It's the lifestyle and poor choces made by some individuals that cannot control themselves that usually fuck their bodies up long term. These are the ones that give somewhat casual - moderate drug users a bad name and label these wonderful substances as bad

if you take away the financial blow that you take due to addiction and also the negative connotations that you'll constantly associated with, then i agree. if it makes you more of a functional human being than i don't see why not. it's your own body.

that all goes down the drain, of course, when you prioritise it over everything else

>>689691753
I'm a junkie myself. I ate pills (oxycontin, oxycocet, et cetra) for a few years, was clean for almost a decade.

Now I can't walk and am in severe physical pain, so opiods are a godsend for me.

Really, you are probably a much better person to be around when you are high. BUT - what are you like when you are dopesick? What length will you go to get a fix? That's where the problem with addictive drugs lies. If everyone had all they drugs they needed to function comfortably, it would be grand. But not everyone has the drugs they want or can afford them - and therein lies the problem.

>>689692170
I wish this is how everyone thought. If drugs weren't so expensive on the streets due to all the illegal activity and risk associated with transporting the drugs etc. People could buy these things cheap and the money thing wouldn't be a problem. It's the liberal, sort of, big brother needs to hold everyone's hand mentality that fucks Soooo many great things up.

Exactly anon, it's your body, you should be able to do with it as you please. I fucking hate this planet.

>>689692204
Exactly. Very, very well said anon. Like you say I'm shit when dopesick. Worse than sober. But my mentality is, if every other month or so I run dry a few days early before re-up, it's still better overall. Because the alternative would be me being 100% sober all the time and feeling like shit about life every day basically. I'd take those few shitty days to the latter any day of the week.

Its the ones that will go to crazy lengths to get a fix and be irresponsible that gives us a bad name.

It's your choice to be on pills all the time man. But just be aware that you're the boss of your life and that if anything go wrong (and it will), you'd be the only one to blame.


Enjoying soberness is one the greatest thing in the world. If you suck when sober it's because you've been on pills for seven fucking years and it'd require at least as much time to undo the wrong you've done.

But then, it's only up to you. If you came here to discuss it it must mean that you aint that much at ease with that at all.

>>689692675
Also, after a few years of getting used to withdrawals veterans learn to curb the worst parts of them. With home remedies etc. I'm sure you have yours. It's rly not all that bad and can get through a day or a few even like that.

>>689692435
yeah, i do agree that the war on drugs is incredibly stupid. people are going to do them despite efforts of the government/police simply because they feel good, and humans have been doing it for centuries. seems like everyone is noticing this though so who knows how long it'll be.

i wonder if addiction rates would rise as a result however. i'm only 20 years old and have had friends who have been taking opiates for like 4 years and completely destroyed everything that they previously had going for them. i dunno what im talking about im pretty high so my apologies hahah

>>689692729
>If you suck when sober it's because you've been on pills for seven fucking years and it'd require at least as much time to undo the wrong you've done.
That's a good point, but here's the thing..

A dope fiend may have messed their lives up stealing, cheating, lying, losing every friend for those past seven years.

Me and I'm sure a lot of other people that can control an addiction though, have done the opposite with the drugs help. Drugs allowed me to finish college with somewhat ease. Grab a sick job out of college and maintain it every day happy about work and life. Honest to god, in my situation, and I'm sure you think I'm lying, but almost as soon as I got off drugs, things went to shit even more so. I mean things arent that bad, they were just better then and I feel like I could accomplish much more if I went back on right now.

What comes to mind the most is being chill in an interview. Being able to nail shit like that while on the drug. Sober, even before I ever took one drug, I couldn't. I'm a nervous fucking wreck. It's a fucked up situation and I feel like I'm that odd ball out that has some kind of chemical imbalance, or maybe I was raised wrong and secluded from people, and just didn't develop the social skills needed to idk be regular. Drugs help with that immensely. And I'm sure for a lot of other people too.

I used to be addicted to tramadol, I still use it and I also eat opium poppies that grow outside, and I some some weed from time to time and I experience the same thing there for I concluded it's more like selfmedicating instead of using drugs to go nuts. I believe that these drugs where actually meant to do this and is there to help those who can't function normally without it.Like a sort of veil that lifts of your head and that you can see the world clearly, so that you can think clearly. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. It's the typical "junky" that makes people not understand it. Just keep medicating yourself and only tell the people who you know will understand and keep it to yourself most of the time. Just don't feel bad about yourself for using it. Oh and I also wanted to say, recent studies found out that people can sometimes have a lack of natural opiates in their brains, we need those to release serotonin. That's why antidepressants don't work for some people. There might actually be a valid reason why you need to medicate yourself for reasons you do not know yet. I smoke weed for severe migraines and bad sleeping pattern, I take opiates for being able to function as a human being and nightmares and I'm going to use amphetamine for the same thing. I have add,asperger,
fibromyalgia and possibly ehlers danlos syndrome and I'm chronically depressed.

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>>689692110
>The substance by itself is perfectly harmless to a body even long term.

>>689693367
i have some trams sitting in my medicine cabinet that nobody has touched for years, 50mg in each. how much should i do as someone who's never touched it (or any opiate for that matter)

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>>689693367
>wanted to say, recent studies found out that people can sometimes have a lack of natural opiates in their brains, we need those to release serotonin. That's why antidepressants don't work for some people. There might actually be a valid reason why you need to medicate yourself for reasons you do not know yet
Wow anon, you just understood me to a fucking tee. Are you my twin?

That quote I've thought about it being a possibility for Sooo long I've told maybe one person about that and they laughed.

Ive tried 3 different ssri's. Xanax, Valium, klonopin. An anti psychotic. Seroquel. And some other crap my shrink gave me for depression and anxiety. NOTHING worked like opiates have for me. I mean benzos make you not give a shit about any tn ing and you're not stressed on them, but they make you feel like a zombie.

Opiates make me feel no stress at all and I'm sharp as a tack on them. Like you say people who don't take drugs to get crazy and fucked up all the time use them to self medicate. Holy fuck you just cut into my soul and read my mind.

Damn kek tits for you my dude. Tell me more of what you know. Just go on!!

>>689691211
What if it's a bias?

You want to go back to using so you see it as brighter times than they were

Could be I suppose

>>689693567
If unabsued and taken responsibly, opiates have no ill effects on your body. Pregnant women can even take them. It's the tylenol, additives in pills, and cuts in heroin that are bad for you. Also, when taken irresponsibly and in huge amounts just like anything Then opiates can be harmful to your body.

This is fact. Scientifically proven.

>>689693670
I always got off 150mg but I used opis for a bit before I tried them first time. Maybe try 100mg then take another after 60mins?

I always felt trams take longer than usual to hit you, but hit hard when they go into effect.

>>689694025
OP here. Oh fuck yes that's definitely a lot of it. Nostalgia for those good times. The thing is that they were just good times aided by drugs. I never would have had those times, all those gfs, 8 and 9/10s if I was sober.

Its a complicated choice and I'm struggling hard.

For an example I lost my gf in less than 9 months when I was sober and completely done with withdrawing mentally and physically. After that I dated again. Couldn't keep a gf not even a year.

>>689691211
I agree. If you keep control about yourself, than your lifestyle is completely fine. However you said that your life is shit without the drug, you're not as productive, don't like hanging out etc. Wo you have to honestly ask yourself: Do you really have full control about your addiction? Is your life shitty because you miss the drug or would you feel the same even if you would have never used the drug? Maybe you should learn to be happy without it.

>>689691211
I can kinda understand you. I was addicted to opiates for years, but the turning point to make me quti was when I started shooting up heroin. Every morning I was one moody asshole until I had some type of opiate in me, then BOOM I was the happiest go lucky guy everybody knew me as.

Today, I feel dead inside. I have no motivation to do anything. It's like the fire inside of me has dimmed. I can't connect with anybody and literally have no emotions. I had to stand in front of a mirror and remember by muscle memory how to smile so I could just pop that out to lower people's guards and initiate a friendly conversation. It sucks, because I feel like I'm just "acting" but it works and helps me get by.

I haven't used in almost 3 years, and it does start to get better. Opiates don't even cross my mind anymore unless I get reminded of it like on tv or here. I dunno if what you're experiencing is the same as me, but it gets only slightly better, at least so far for me. Although sometimes I have such bad anxiety I lock up and go into robot mode...

>>689694245
thanks man, i'll give it a shot when i can

>>689693326
I feel juyt like you. May I ask which drugs work best for you?

>>689691211
Long story short you need drugs to function properly in daily activities. You have the standard junkie looser attitude, that the world is grey and depressing without that shit. Fuck you.

>>689695021
>or would you feel the same even if you would have never used the drug? Maybe you should learn to be happy without it.
That last part got me thinking a bit.

Well it's impossible to tell if I would have ended up, personality-wise, the same if I never took drugs. I can honestly say though my best guess is I migjt have came out of my she'll a little more while sober over the years, but really I just as easily could have became a shut in hermit. I really do hate people and being around everyone while sober. It's like my biggest problem in life. I cannot interact like a normal person off of drugs. It's like a thing I have and always will while sober.

So I still stick by my theory, we'll educated guess somewhat, that my life has ended up for the much better because of drug use. I guess in my case and probably with many others I shouldn't call it drug use because it's really just me medicating myself to be normal.

The thing that fucking blows my mind with anger and rage is that these substances are available they've been invented in our lifetime and we can't fucking use them because people higher than me in life say I can't. It's fucking infuriating and I hate it. I wish there was something I could do.

>>689695199
Also I'd like to add, ex-addicts are known to have very low dopamine, as my doctor found out about me. In fact it causes me to have tremors in my left hand, like restless leg syndrome but in my hand (although I struggled with that too). My doctor prescribed me "Requip" which worked well for stopping my RLS and my hand shaking uncontrollably. It doesn't happen as often now because I think my brain is starting to balance out it's chemicals and produce dopamine the way it's supposed to, but sometimes I catch myself with my hand shaking. It's a weird feeling almost like if I don't shake or use the muscles in it it becomes VERY uncomfortable to hold it still. This is also a known precursor to Parkinson's.

Maybe you just need to excercise your dopamine receptors? There are supplements you can get to promote this.

>>689693972
Aw cool :D I'm happy I made you feel better. I'm a woman tho...mom of three and very bad ass *puts on awesome sunglasses* if you want the best stuff I'd advice you ro grow poppies in a garden if you have one. Here they grow outside and I'm gonna try to make an alcoholic tincture with it. It works way better then pills and is actually very good for your liver too. I have felt very bad about using it for a long time ey and I wondered what was wrong with me. My parents are junkies, mom is also an alcohollic and they ruined my childhood so when I first started to use opiates and such I was afraid that I would turn into my parents. But that is not the case I am just me, and i feel like something that is broken inside me gets fixed eveytime I use. I realized some time ago that i am not my parents...I do this to funtion...to be a good mom...to do the everyday things. No shame in that. So thats when i started to do a lot of research as to why I was like this and then I stumbled upon that natural opiates article now I really don't give a flying fuck and I don't feel guilty. And you know this society might be very evolved with all our science and research but it doesn't mean we understand everything thats out there and money is still an issue. But I believe there will come a day when people will look back and say did you know that in 2016 people still believed that depression could be fixed with seroquel and substances like that? whoah.... they where pretty fucking stupid back then. :p We are just ahead of our time dear.

Congrats, you're a drug addict!

>>689695199
Hmm I'm sorry to hear it's so rough for you anon. I hope things get better I really do I feel your pain. I'm only a year in and tm Shits fucking gross.

Its like you say, after using for so long things will never be the same. The most you can hope for is a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel in maybe years.

My thinking is basically fuck that. But I'm weak. Don't do what I'm doing if you feel it's what you need to do. But I'd rather just live my life on the drugs and be happy and if for some bizarre reason I die early because of them, so be it. I lived my life happy and able to have real human interaction, relationships, friends. Idc at this point whether all those interactions are slightly aided and made better by drugs. Drugs are just substances there to be used. It doesn't change who you are completely on them. It just allows you to be who you are fully and not hold anything back when normally sober, you wouldn't say anything.

It could go the other way though and make you say things you shouldn't. But itt I'm talking about taking drugs responsibly so you never get to that "out of it" point and can control what you say.

Im so fucking lost you have no idea. Well I think you have the best idea being you're in my boat but fuck man idk.

>>689695758
40-60mg of oxycodone and I'm that guy at the party all the chicks want and all the duedes want to befriend. Srsly that's my fucking life on opis and I need to get back on them.

Never banged H tried Sniffing. Always just stuck to my old trusty oxys.

>>689695759
Th e world for me anyways was always dark and depressing. Km not an emo faggot it's always just been shit before I used drugs and now after. Same thing.

Drugs were the only thing that allowed me to come out and be a part of everything. And actually wanted to be a part of everything.

>>689691211
while drugs can help you in certain situations, they mostly your doom. your dependant on it. also they cause syndromes. take cannabis for this, can cause amotivational syndrome. if you take it for too long, this syndrome wont disappear.youll be basicly a lazy slob forever. look at your other marijauna taking friends. most of them wont succed in anything and be always mediocre because of amotivation. sure, you can recover from it. but for a price

>>689695817
>The thing that fucking blows my mind with anger and rage is that these substances are available they've been invented in our lifetime and we can't fucking use them because people higher than me in life say I can't. It's fucking infuriating and I hate it. I wish there was something I could do

I know exqctly how you feel. What the western world needs is a movement for REAL liberalism. And no, no existing party I know, whether here in Europe or there in America comes even close to liberalism even if it's part of it's name. It's just a bunch of big brothers who think they know what's best for you and that they have the wright to decide how you have to live your life.

>>689695891
Holy shit shortly after I quit cold turkey one random day out of the blue because I wanted to like an idiot. My hands shook a bit. Also noticed the slight twitching like when you're almost falling asleep and you'll wake your gf up cause you twitched. Kind of like that.

Thx for advice anon. I'm trying hard to exercise more and be active. It's just so fucking hard with 00000 motivation. Idk how to get dopamine levels checked and i can't, we'll don't want to tell my doc Im an ex addict incase I want him to prescribe me something down the road like my last doc did for years. RIP my last GP. You were a prince. An angel for upping me all those years. Thank you for not making me have to go buy on the streets all the time.

>>689691211
how in the hell is there still coming smoke out of her? there is no way this will happen for me never ever. doesnt matter how big of a hit i take from a bong, if i keep the smoke in that long there is never any visible trace of smoke once i exhale.

>>689696100
>But I believe there will come a day when people will look back and say did you know that in 2016 people still believed that depression could be fixed with seroquel and substances like that? whoah.... they where pretty fucking stupid back then. :p We are just ahead of our time dear.
Kek that we must be.

I hope and pray for this day fellow anon. All I can say is you're amazing and keep doing you.

Do you have the article? Post link? On the opiate chemical thing?

Also what about poppy in gardens? I have a backyard in my apt can prob grow something. I've tried tea once. What is this about poppys being good for your liver? Is poppy tea good for it too?

>>689692110
i dont know where you "learned" that from, but as a biologist i can tell you that its not even close to true.

>>689696186
Ex-drug-addict-considering-going-back-on-because-haters-just-say-drugs-are-bad-because-theyre-jealous-they-cant-feel-the-good-feels-too

>>689696306
Thanks man. I just really wish I could go back to how I was before I even touched opiates but I don't know if I will ever get that part of me back. I mean I've seen some of my friends who I used to use with also quit heroin and I just look at them and wonder how they went back to being normal again... unless it's also an act for them too, but if so then it's damn convincing.

This thread though hit me right in the feels OP. I wish I could help you but I don't really have the answers myself. I'm just holding on to that little hope like you said for the light at the end of the tunnel. I do feel a bit better after the requip and trying to "excercise" my dopamine receptors, but it will never be at the level of when I'm on an opiate and enjoying the world how I feel should be enjoyed.

I hope you do get better though. I hope you find that warm fire inside of you again without the opiates, that would be the best outcome. But if you feel like continued responsible use will let you live out the rest of your life happy then I'd say go for it. Because re-learning how to wear a smile is hell.

>>689691211
Opiates have long term side effects, the one you should be most concerned about is your teeth falling out.

Just take suboxone, you will never think about using drugs, you'll be productive because your body thinks you're on opiates. The long term effects have not been studied though so it's a gamble, I highly recommend it though. I was a pill and heroin addict for 10 years, I'm now a pharmacy technician going to school to be a pharmacist. I take subs and have not once had a trigger or an impulse to use the pills I'm around all day long

>>689696746
That's why I hate I weed. I can't even take the shit ever because paranoia. Never have I smoked and not gotten a paranoid. Blah blah blah the strain bruh the strain. NOPE it's just weed in general for me.

Thats why opiates are so fucking good. No paranoia. Just pure happy feels and motivation and sex and getting things done.

Opis are literally the polar opposite of weed. I hear both taken together is great though.

>>689693972
sauce?

>>689698065
This is a normal initial side effect. You should try doing it alone, build up your tolerance, next thing you know you'll be out in public convincing yourself that everyone around you is also stoned.


Spoilers:
They're not

>>689697040
Yup that sounds like low dopamine levels. You wouldn't really have to disclose anything to your doctor about your history of use, just saying you sometimes feel restless especially at night is enough for them to prescribe requip. I don't think there's a way currently to check dopamine levels in someone that's non-invasive, physicians (like mine) do a trial by slowly raising the dosage on dopamine meds and having you report back if it's working or not.

But even then... it only helped a bit. Like... it's just enough to force myself out of bed every morning and do what I gotta do, and stop my hand shaking especially in public lol. But you should read up on low dopamine levels and how it effects you. You might get different results and find that fire in you again, you never know man.

>>689696853
Well I guess talking politics, for here Republicans would be the best bet. Less govenerment less cops less dea. Fuck I hate liberals. I disgust myself for being one throughout college.

Does tour govt have the same two big political parties figght for the vote? Or do you have more than two choices that are actually possible to win during elections? Example: if here in US we voted for say the libertarian candidate, your vote would just get lost because only two parties ever get enough votes.

The rationalization is on conspiracy-theory level. What you say:
>opioids aren't bad for you
>I'm more likable when I use them
>I can control my addiction
>it's Tylenol that's the problem
>I'm productive when high
>I'm a jerk during withdrawal

What the sober person hears
>omg my mind is so fucked because of years of addiction that I will rationalize what is literally the most self-destructive activity on the planet

Sorry, junkfags, it's true. Please get actual help before you destroy the lives of every single person you care about. That's literally the only destination the opioid trail can bring you.

What we

>>689694460
But you've only been off them for a year?

>>689691211
And why are you an asshole when you are sober? Because drugs. They made you more resistant to dopamine your brain naturally produce, and thats the really chill and coozy hormone. Drugs dont affect you only when you are high, but also when you are sober. They made natural hormones that afrfect your behaviour less important. After a long period of not using, these levels can go back to normal. Its all about hormones. If you produce less natural dopamine, everything is more shitty when you are sober and only good times are whine high. Thats the basics of soft addictions.

>>689697556
How is low to medium amounts of a pure opiate, no additives, ingested into your system bad for it? Even somewhat long term. What damage would be done that couldn't be fixed naturally? Pls explain in detail if you would biologist sir?

If you like it and you are not hurting others then it's fine. "I want to do it" is justification enough in that case, but don't bullshit yourself with "I'm more productive" and "I'm a better person on drugs". Years of usage conditioned you to consider being under the influence as "normal" and you lost the ability to cope with everyday life without the help. You would have been better off never using, but you made you choice. Now own up to it.

>>689698515
I totally agree with this, and I'm coming down after a two day meth binge.

The rationalization is absurd here. Can't you feel it? Or have you lost self-awareness?

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>>689697362
I don't have the article anymore and I can't find it, i would have posted it if I had it. :/ I wish i had more info on it. The opium poppy is the plants where opiates are made from. You can just grow them in your garden, and they also grow outside in a lot of countries. Most people have them in their garden and don't know what you can do with it. So it's very low profile...and very different then growing cannabis for example. People will never know... The sunstance you'll need it the milk that flows out the plant when you cut it, it will turn brown and thats raw opium. But you can also eat them or brew a tea. the reason why this is good for your liver is because of the bitterness. The effect is more mild then pills, you don't get that feeling that you need to use it again, no brainfog or nausea and very good sleep, vivid dreams. If you brew tea don't boil it because the heat can destroy the alkaloids some people use citric acid to extract more alkaloids out of the plant. It's best to drink it from a fresh poppy, because one you've dried them they will taste super bitter and has less effect. But you can pick many and store them in a freezer. There is lots of info about this online :)

Used to shoot up sporadically for a year Ended up getting caught by family so they flipped and kicked me out. Haven't done it in like three weeks, haven't really had the urge to either. Pretty sure the stigma reinforces a person's need to use, like they feel like a shitty person for doing a shitty thing so they use more to stop feeling shitty, even though what they're doing isn't all that shitty in the first place.
Man, talking to sober people about this is like trying to convince my grandparents to smoke a joint without them thinking the devil's in it.

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>>689697789
Same here anon. I feel ya bro. Not much else to say you got It down were both fucked but hopefully yeah, someday. If I prayed I'd keep you in my prayers. Stay strong. Tits for mind melding w me over /b/

>>689698515
You can say that, but these are people who felt like this before using it, and have tried many things to change. It's just something wrong in the brain. Just like people with adhd and add use amphetamines (ritalin dexamphetamine concerta ect.) But since you don't have this problem it's just hard to understand.

>>689691211
You're right, but not with opiates. It's a bad road dude. Massive tolerances, respiratory depression, no to mention costly. If you want to take off the edge a bit with some drugs, try looking into phytomedicines like kratom, kava, valerian root, weak maois like passionflower, st johns wort, stuff like gaba and even alkaloids like harmala. You'll find that if you bring variety of herbal drugs into your life, you'll feel guilt free, healthier and still get awesome buzzes every time. That has been my life for the last 2 years. I love it. Always a new cup of tea, a new herb, a new extract. And they're all legal and cheap and easy on the body (mind maybe the kava but I don't like it much anyway).

>>689698060
Ive been rly considering subs for a while. I've heard of them I don't know enough about them though to even get started and don't want people to know I used a long time.

Can you in detail best describe the feeling between pure opiate and suboxone? Do you feel good on them like oxys? Do they make you outgoing like oxys and opis?

I could honestly go without the buzzed warm good feeling. All I fucking NEED is the outgoing type A personality opiates give me. Like I need it to thrive in society otherwise I'm a shut in and loser never want to go out etc.

>>689699320
>feel guilt free
You actually allow people to make you feel guilty, huh?

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>>689698362
Mother Fucking audible kek

>>689699416
I'm an extrovert, I learned that skill from adderall. I love being with people. I don't like being alone, I naturally I go with the flow of things, with what people think, while still keeping my own goals in accord of course. I like people.

>>689699557
Gay.

>>689698404
Requip is primarily prescribed for RLS only? Are there other drugs mainly for dopamine levels to make you more motivated better than Requip? Sorry you're prob saying ask the fucking doctor what do you think I am.

>>689699616
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

the artical I read was dutch, I don't know where you are from but this is it, https://www.zamnesia.nl/blog-hoe-lichaamseigen-opiaten-stress-verminderen-n665

and this was the source http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v20/n2/full/mp2014185a.html thats in english.

>>689698628
it causes you to fart nerve gas

>>689691211
You're missing the core challenge here. The first hurdle was overcoming drugs, the second is changing yourself into what you want to be or taking the edge off life mentally.

>>689699364
I would say its like having the full benefits of being sober, but your wanting or need to feel the way you want to feel is gone. There are no cravings, your capacity sexually is still well above what it would be with nothing. You feel productive and want to get shit done. Being outgoing or not depends on you, your serotonin levels are fucked from long term abuse. You would most likely need some Zoloft, Prozac, cymbalta or something to help with the depression you're using the opiates to stay away from. Did I just blow your mind? Because you are depressed. The opiates just numb the feeling and may be a deeper underlying cause as to why you feel the need to use.

>>689691211
>I see no reason at all why having to take a pill every day, or hit a bowl, or sniff a line is a bad thing.

Neuroscientist here. Even in moderate quantities, most drugs tend to cause neurodegeneration in certain areas, which in turn causes neurological health problems later down the line. Tho some drugs (namely alcohol and nicotine) have other health benefits, so it's a double edged sword. Also, some drugs, like psilocin, do have very measurable mental health benefits, especially for people suffering from high anxiety or depression.
Opiates and stimulants are generally just bad tho.

>>689699885
This. You have to learn from drugs and use that experience to better yourself, to be what you want to be. They're tools, to help you, not to be on forever.

>>689699038
Yup godspeed OP. I'll definitely pray for ya before I go pass out. Thanks man and good luck.

>>689698432
Yeah i ever thought that the US-system is kinda shitty. I'm German so here I can choose between, idk maybe a dozen partys. But the result is the same: There are ca 5 big partys which rule which rule the nation and the differences between them are very subtle and becoming smaller every period. I don't understand why so many drug addicted qnd other libertarian people vote for lefties because in many ways there are way more imperious than some conservative partys.

>>689699934
I want to hear more about nicotine. Alzheimers, neuroprotective effects due to cholinergic agonism, etc?

I know alcohol is good when it has the (phenols?) from the wines and such but is that the only physical health benefit? Socially it can help, if we take into consideration neuroplasticity, and I'm assuming most people who indulge in drugs are young, and this with the right attitude and place can mold a person into a more social being, am I right?

>>689698515
This down here
>>689699308

One question. Do you believe people who have extreme anxiety (real) and depression (if you believe that's real) should be able to and be encouraged to take things like Xanax, klonopin etc?

Do you feel that drugs and medication in general are good to the public or bad?

Obviously you'll agree they're good. My situation and many others I believe have chose a drug that works best for them after MUCH experimentation. just because I take a drug to better myself doesn't make me a junkie. Ive never been a "junkie" if you've ever seen me you'd never say I'm a junkie or even if you hung out with me.

Opiates are a type of medication. That drug/medication helps me. Why the fuck are you and so many other people so opinionated on this topic? Just let it fucking be. Let the people that Can use these things responsibly use them responsibly. And as bad as it sounds let those who want to ruin their lives ruin them. The same thing happens with so many other legal things. Smoking kills you. Drinking kills you. Carbs kill you. Why the fuck are drugs so hated and yet other things so accepted?

The only things that are restricted are those that make you feel good. Like their sole purpose is to elevate your mood. If you think a while about it, only the drugs that give you that warm fuzzy feeling are Scheduled and could possibly get you thrown in jail for 40 years.

This mentality you have and this system is fucking.. Idk a good enough word for it

I had a pretty good supply of various things at one stage. I shattered my heel so as you can imagine it hurt like fuck. I continued my story of pain to the docs but realistically i just enjoyed my daily dose to cruise through the day essentially pain free.
Script in question had Oxy 5 mg and 10 mg, Tramadol, Lyrica, Panadeine forte (30mg codeine plus paracetamol. Aus fag btw) and i had some mobix anti inflammatory. Pretty much i could nail the lot together and mates who joined in the fun would agree it was pretty fucking good. That was about 2 years back and now i had to really quit it as a bloke who drives cranes and works in mining/high risk roles they wont let you work on even a shitty amount of codeine. Thankfully pain is kinda manageable without it all but i would say i function relatively normally.

I would agree though i am more reclusive, cant be fucked getting hammered on booze and being social just for the fact its friday night. I put it down to getting older. Sex drive is probably lower too but i kinda think sleep is top of my list and if the wife misses the boat im sleeping.
I came from an era where smoking an oz a week was good street credit and could blaze all day no problems. Nowadays nothing like that being dad/husband. I would say still function fine just older and lazier.

>>689698529
Maybe year and half going on two now

Its just that I remember exactly how I was before I took the drugs. I am now that same exact person and feel the same scared way about everything and stress everything like I did all those years before I started.

>>689699623
At lower dosages it's used for RLS. But at higher levels it's used for Parkinson's to help relieve the symptoms and the tremors. I mean requip (ropinirole) can get to some crazy high dosages that they can prescribe so I would imagine it could help to release even more dopamine. There's like 5 other brands I found out about but my doctor just picked that one as the best option for me.

But there's also the supplement route. I also took L-tyrosine for a while but the thing about l-tyrosine is you have to do things to promote your dopamine receptors like giving yourself a runner's high, working out, even listening to music that gives you "chills" or even sex. Anything to promote dopamine along with the supplement. Otherwise it won't work as well.

But sorry, I don't know if there's a drug specifically for raising dopamine to get you more motivated. If there is though then I'd like to know about it too.

>>689698574
I get that and agree that's happening to me to some extent but fading slowly every day.

The thing that's creeping up now is I'm back to my old beta ass nervous wreck self that I was growing up even and highschool and first year of college before I started opiates

Im never gonna change. That's my shitty personality. The polar opposite of type A

The only thing in the world that has cured me of that shitty stress and anxiety and nervousness has been opiates. What would you do if you were me and tried Every other medication suggested by shrinks and doctors? If opiates made you the person you wanted to be every day, would you take them? .

>>689691211
I'm currently having the same dilemma with myself, I want to have my life in order but drugs are the only escape I have to start reflecting on whats wrong in my life.

so should I be dependent on drugs but get to improve my life or should i stay as far away from dependence but stay in the same shit hole I'm in or I'm just a retard?

>>689699320
>if you bring variety of herbal drugs into your life, you'll feel guilt free, healthier and still get awesome buzzes every time.
Just because they are natural herps doesn't mean it's "healthier" than synthetic or half synthetic substances. Quite the reverse, mostof these herbs are not breeded to be a drug so besides the "good" substances they probably also contain a non negligible amount of poissons.

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>>689698973
Lots of great info here anon

Thanks for posting and I may just try a garden here some day. Here cock for femanon instead of tits

>>689699001
This

>>689701033
>made you the person you wanted to be every day, would you take them? .
well im high and i get you man

>>689700884
I agree with your objective view. However, if you look at illicit drugs, most of the time these are cut, stored in odd places and dirtied. They're unclean. The herbal supplements at least have a company making them. It is as objectively harmful as buying anything from a company. You could get food poisoning from your cheerios from example. I could see something happening like this. But at least you know that ODs and unknown drugs are not in these kinds of 'drugs'. Maybe in the preworkouts and such but I am not as interested in stimulants as far as caffeine + amps + mph. But that's a whole different story.

>>689691211
If you need drugs to control your life, then you're a weak-minded fool who should really an hero anyways. I have no respect for people who have to turn to harmful substances to take control. The mind must be master of the body.

>>689699320
Thanks for all the info. I will definitely try some of these some day. I've always wanted to test out herbal shit. I tried Kratom once during a withdrawal. I could see how it might help day to day. Maybe I'll try it again now that I've been off opis for a year+

>>689699885
>>689700009
That's like saying to a diabetic that he took insulin long enough. Now he should learn, taking the edge of life by his own.

>>689700957
Hehe yay, tits are great too tho <3
I posted the article too!! I eventually found it :3
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v20/n2/full/mp2014185a.html

>>689700369
If you haven't been to a doctor in the past two years opiates are being severely cracked down on. It started with the va, literally everyone is addicted to drugs. They're finally moving people onto buprenorphine patches but the practices are now being applied by the dea. Opiates can only be prescribed a month at a time, your doctor now has to run you through the cures database, keep s log of your progress, drug tests etc.

It's literally a pain in the ass for doctors now to prescribe them and it's only getting worse. Enjoy the availability while you can because eventually it's going to be tramadol and subs for everyone who doesn't have severe pain, i.e., missing limbs, degenerative conditions, shit that wouldn't apply to you. If you aren't getting the drugs from w Doctor, then your dealers are and they will be put through that.

>>689701222
well, im just like op but i dont understand why you get so mad about it

>>689701362
Good. Please try them. I recommend looking into valerian root a lot. It is my personal favorite.

>>689701383
But that's a physical necessity. He has an actual physical NEED. I can see this with heavy opiate usage as well but for kids who cannot stop smoking marijuana or the ones who think they need methamphetamine or xanax, I believe they need to look at WHY they started and what goal they had in mind. Maybe it was to run away, maybe it was to go through a difficult time. But it's a crutch nonetheless for these people.

>>689701383
THIS!!!

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>>689699760
Ty for the find anon.

>>689701645
Why did you begin? It's more deep rooted than just "oh I'm fucked, what drug should I look for next?"

>>689699885
I know what I want to be. I have a degree in my field and I just don't even want to do it anymore without being able to feel idk free I guess like drugs do.

Not to mention the tedious work I do you Need to be on something to not go crazy after a few years in front of your monitors

>>689701222
Being in control has nothing to do with why people use in the first place. The fuck?

>The mind must be master of the body.

You're delusional. Don't spout nonsense about a subject you know nothing about.

>>689691211
You're trying to rationalize your addiction to something that is extremely bad for your body. Get help.

>>689701709
wtf happened here

>>689701709
what is the backstory to this webm ?
Is she having a spontaneous orgasm ?
Is it induced by whatever she was drinking ?
so many questions and one raging boner.

>>689698515
Basically this. I've been a drug addict in the past and drugs really do start to shape your opinion and personality, once you quit for a long time you are always happier, more motivated and more rational when sober.

>>689701709
this is hot but idk why she came like that

>>689699931
Yeah mind blown but I've tried Prozac in the past, sertaline? And one other depression med. None of them worked after even 2 months on two of them.

However, this may be worth another shot now. I may just experiment with other Drugs to try and make myself be the way I want to be.

This is the thing that kills me though. Those mind altering and dangerous drugs (if taken irresponisbly) are all perfectly legal and prescribed fairly easily. The one drug I Want and that has worked the best for me, I can't get due to the stigma? And shit attached to it. Why? I don't fucking get it. They're all substances that alter your mind in some way.

Just because heroin, oxy, etc makes you feel GOOD they have to take that away from people. To almost got me thinking like religious ancient times. Anything that gels good should be banned. Like Christianity and sex and masturbation

Ok that was a tangent but whatever this is my thread kek

>>689701205
Yeah, but just because a legal company make it doesn't mean that it's less Harmful. A passionflower was never meant to be eaten. It was meant to stand in a pot and look nice. So for example it's probably much more harmfull to inject bleach than any backyard heroine. Bleach isn't supposed to be injected just like a passionflower isn't supposed to be eaten.

"If you can control your drug addiction..."

Just stop right there man. When you are addicted you have no control. Simple as that.

>>689702274
Because you live in a society where people we at the top and you don't make the decisions. I know it sucks but we have to either make do or adapt accordingly.

>>689702354
Why do you say a passionflower isn't meant to be eaten?

>>689691211
If you use drugs you are a degenerate piece of shit.
>But my life sucks, blah blah blah, not hurting anyone but me, ect

Doesn't change the fact that your even more of a beta faggot now than you were before. Get a life. I did drugs when I was 13-15 realized it was for fucking morons.
And look at me now.
>19
>In the military
>Rich
>Engaged to surgeon who basically funds my compulsive lifestyle

All this coming from someone who use to be a broke socially awkward faggot. I still am a socially awkward faggot. But a rich one none the less.

>>689699934
What wold you say about strictly ingesting opiates like pills. Do they have any serious neurological long term effects that can't be cured if you stop them for a while and take breaks? Like for your brain to regenerate or like if a smoker stopped smoking for years, their lungs regenerate themselves

Also as a neurosxientist guy, do you have any suggestions or thoughts about people being born with opiate receptor or dopamine receptor disabilities? Like is it possible to have what one anon referred to above itt.

>>689702027
>>689702037
>>689702172
>>689701709

She's a camwhore and has an ohmibod vibrator in which vibrates to the sound of tokens.

The more tokens you give her the more she orgasms...

fake fake fake

>>689702502
Did you come here to brag or contribute to the thread?

Anon, you should try LDN. (Low Dose Naltrexone)
You take 0.5-3mg of naltrexone daily, and it blocks some of the endorphin receptors, with little discomfort for a few hours. Doing this makes your body produce more natural endorphins and increase the sensitivity of the receptors.
So after being on it for a while, you are going to be better than sober.
It's like a reverse opiate. You take an opiate you feel good for a while, then worse.
With LDN you feel worse for a while, then good.

>>689702274
It's illegal because it's like poison for your body and extremely addicting so people that can't handle their shit will turn to crime to get drug money

>>689702581
This

>>689700208
Damn straight. It seems all the weed hippies all vote democrat too. It's all ass backwards and TV brainwashing consumer advertising bs to whatever make people vote like that or something idfk

>>689702496
Kek, you know what i mean. It isn't meant to be eaten according to the flower company. But i'm sure it has some potential if you properly breed it or extract the good components, just life weed or ergot.

>>689702502
>19
>engaged
>look at me
Didnt thunk that one through eh?

>>689702763
No no no, I mean I actually have the extract of passionflower, the essential oil. It is meant to be sipped with water for its relaxing properties due to MAO inhibition.

>>689700680
Thx for info anon

>>689702563
I am contributing, Stay away from the drugs

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>>689702502
>19
>engaged

>>689700743
Maybe somewhere in the middle? Binge on weekends? Sober during the week?

>>689702770
You might see this as a bad idea. But think about it. I've been poor all my life.
>Engaged to a surgeon.
>Let's me blow money on stupid shit just cause i want it
>If she ever leaves me I get half her shit
>I can use her money to make my own.

>>689699038
saucee?

>>689703214
missalice94 from mfc

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>>689701407
Best anon is best

>>689703150
Its clear to see you've really explored every avenue and thought this through.

Your brain is tricking you, learn about mu receptors

>>689703363
i owe you my life. thank you, anon.

>>689701410
I hear ya I read the changes back in 2009 then another maybe 2014 in my state, NY. They definitely cracked down. I almost have my doc talked into prescribing me something. I'm climbing the trust ladder slowly. Got her up to tylenol 3 so far.. Ugh and they want drug test and drug tests

>>689691211
My friend was like you. He died from sudden heart failure last week, probably mixing oxy and benzos. Nigger was 22, get your shit together, you'll hurt everyone around you once you drop dead and don't give a single shit about it.

>>689702502
>in the military
>thinks he's got his shit together
You just substituted death with death you mongrel.

>>689701222
You sound like a person that meditates and believe in fortune tellers. Do you believe in fortune tellers anon?

>>689703686
Hey he's 19 and he knows everything for sure.

>>689702025
Why is it extremely bad though? What exactly is it hurting? Not my liver. Not my kidneys. I don't take acetaminophen w it.

Its helping my mind and allowing me to live my life exactly the way that I want to. I mean it's in the name itself "hero-in" it literally brings the hero out in you. In all seriousness tho I don't even do heroin or bang anything just pop pills.

>>689702510
>not neuroscientist anon
Opiates are generally pretty clean, not a lot of physical damage from use. What's damaging is the low quality drugs the addicts get a hold of, OD-risks, combination OD's and disease from sharing needles. If you're not on needles, you'll probably survive continuous use, but once you try to get off it, the rebounds will be complete shit and a serious risk of death.

>>689703150
Haha retard, in divorce court if the money was the woman's in the first place you get dick.

>>689703953
Look at long term drug users, none of them are ever happy.

>>689704035
Don't ruin the surprise.

>>689702847
My point is, (and many green hipsters will disagree)
natural =/= healthy
Just because it's a plant or a natural essence or idk doen't mean it's healthier than something synthetic. This also holds for other things than drugs. Nowadays many people think that artificial produces things are evil and harmful. They take some shitty tea instead of a fucking asperin or use shitty vinegear insteat of a professional washing agent.
For example ergot is a bad poisson which killed whole familys. LSD is a very artificial, half synthetic extract but a very nice drug.
Passionflowers were never breeded to be drugs so it probably contains many harmful ingredience which you can't just eleminate by a simple extraction. If herbs work for you, it's fine. But you shouldn't assume it's a more "healthy" alternative.

>>689691211
literally anything in the world can be psychologically addictive, habitual; edpends how much of a physiological construct you believe the mind/brain- neuro is. thus litearlly everyhing becomes physically addictive, on a scale.

just make the addictions healthily condusive to a unified personalised worldview/what you subjectively want out of life, goals, long term, self actualised perpetually type thing..

id make a point of respecting axioms such as the calculation of difference in the balance of scales of self ownership and property rights.

if ur shooting, shoot to kill.

>>689704131
This

>>689702025
>>689702046
>>689702399
It seems like you have a distorted view on my particular case of addiction and I'm sure a lot of other people's similar to mine.

Im addicted, but I can control what I do. You seem like you'd think I would steal or do illegal things to further my addiction and to get drugs. No, I make money. I can pay for these things. I don't abuse heavily. I never go to a state of "Holy fuck I'm high" slightly buzzed is the most.

My argument is that addiction IS OK if you can be a decent responsible person with your addiction. You form habbits and addictions with a lot of other things and can perform life tasks just fine.

I'll take an addiction that improves my life overall but doesn't completely consume me because I can control what I do. Some people just CAN do that.

Why do those people have to go without these drugs that help because others can't control their addictions.

Addictions addiction addiction. I didn't say addiction enoug

>>689704131
No no I agree with you. I'm in no way a "ooo chemicals, gross" type of guy. I just have surpassed my synthetic excursion of drugs and now am on the mellower, relaxing side. But I understsnd that natural =/= good.

I smoked weed daily or nearly daily, drank 3-6 beers most nights and got into med school. A combination of undiagnosed mild bipolar and absence siezures made my life a living nightmare before without drugs.

Now a little divalproate and I can function and excel as a human being sober. Only downside is that I struggle to get an erection these days and I'm 26 and relatively fit

Sometimes drugs legit are self medication, and sometimes there are better treatments

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>>689702502
>calling anyone a scumbag
>admits he's in the military
Hate to tell you bro but only scumbags join the military because they couldn't hack it in school.

OP here I'm more accomplished than you'll ever be and I've been on drugs the past 7 years daily. Come back to this thread when your rich gf dumps your sorry ass for a more accomplished man like me bruh

>>689704131
My point is, I would gladly take an adderall anyday, rail ritalin. I will drink alcohol. I will smoke tobacco. But I will also enjoy a cup of tea, or 50mg of hydroxyzine on lazy days. I am for the exotic moreso than the common drugs.

>>689702581
Holy shit I may try. OP here thanks anon. Never heard of thism

>>689702274
It's not illegal because it feels good. Alcohol is legal, weed is legal in some places, SEX is fucking legal. Stop that horse shit. Everyone knows it's illegal because it's a serious health issue, and society is trying to keep the inhabitants afloat.
On the other hand, the way society tries to enforce this is complete bullshit. Everyone knows the damage that the war on drugs has caused, we're stigmatizing people in need of care, we're filling up our prisons, and we make people kill each other over drugs. Would all drugs be decriminalized, we'd never have the social issues of drug abuse, and we wouldn't waste money in the judicial system. And the addicts would be both happier and more prone to get their shit sorted out.
>vote pirate you fags

Your in too deep Op

>>689704052
Yeah, because they got off the drugs because everyone says it's so bad.

I mean the ones that go out of control and do stupid shit should get off them.

This thread is kind of dedicated to those who don't lose their minds and can be normal functioning people in society On drugs and with addictions.

>>689701722
I got tramadol when I had an abscess under my tooth that crushed my nerves dead. So when I took the tramadol it helped against my pain and when the pain got less I also started to feel everything I suppressed. Suddenly I felt less pain in my body all the time, this gave me more energy to do stuff and emotional I felt sharper and hyper. It made a day and night difference, I got less emotional and aggressive, i could see my problems in a different perspective. I wasn't overwhelmed by my surroundings anymore. I was a very other kind of person. I didn't get tramadol for years since then, but when I really got addicted is when my husband ruined my life, my oldest kid got taken away from me, we where on the edge of being homeless with a debt of thirty thousand euro's all because my husband had lied to me about everything, it was like an episode of who on earth did I marry. And I couldn't risk anything, with everything already so overwhelming for me as it is I had to function properly, I had to be out there to prevent any damage being done and I just made poppy tea, that gave me the feeling that I'm ok and I can handle it. Somewhat later my husband got tramadol from the doctor for his muscle disease and I could take some of his medicine when I wanted to and I was all out of poppies so I had no alternative. It got me through a very heavy period in my life and we are back on track now. Now I don't use it as often as I did, only when I have a very busy week. And I'm trying to get dexamphetamine from the doctor because I've noticed that this helps me better. for my asperger and add.

>>689704052
Also if weed is legalized, opiates and others should follow suit after. It's only fair.

>>689692110

are you retarded?

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>>689704267
What the fuck did I just read?

>>689704987
I suggest you switch to kratom and the dextro. Imo amphetamines are better for that sharper, hyper, I can handle anything feeling. Kratom and >>689702581 for whenever you get dopesick. I'm glad you're doing better.

dude i'm an asshole even on cigarettes (like, i'm always thinking about needing or wanting a smoke and when i can get away from whatever i'm dealing with to go have one)

i'm not present and don't show up for people

this thread is complete and utter bullshit junkie self-justification

you're able to be a much much better person without an active addiction. that's just how it is. don't kid yourself. that's the junkie in you talking.

>>689694143

[Citation needed]

M8 "taken responsibly" typically is either not taken at all, or taken in doses so small a tablet of paracetamol would give you a bigger high.

>>689705307
4 years sober btw and kicked junk 20 years ago

>>689704857
Was kind of sarcastic joking about the feeling good partbut yeah you're right with most of that. Minus the part about how society should be doing anything to take away something people enjoy doing.

>>689704462
You're missing the point. The fact that you are able to function on drugs, and not without, signals a lack of something in your life. However you feel at the moment is useless. If you'd find something less harmful and risk-inducing to you, you'd not feel like shit sober. The reason you feel like shit sober is because your life is empty due to the drugs. Addiction is never desirable, even if you're not a heavy user. Coming off that shit, which you'll eventually want, is going to be living hell.

>>689704857
Here here he speaks the truth

>>689698574

stop talking shit

OP is faggot but at least has experience

wow op, wish i was like you. i do drugs and am a loser haha

By the way I recomand everybody to watch this because this sums up almost everything about addiction https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rat+park+addiction

I'm pretty sure you would feel better when you're not on something if you weten't addicted in the first place. It isn't normal to feel that shitty when not using drugs..

>>689705341
Even daily use of opiates. Just pure opiate nothing else, won't harm your body. Taken moderately. Not enough to make your liver work overtime.

The drug itself is not bad for you. There's so many articles on this.

>>689701222
your trips do not absolve you of your faggotry

>>689705376
Did you read what the fuck I wrote? I said society should NOT take away things people enjoy doing, I simply stated the, misguided, REASON society looks at drugs the way it does. Just because you're wearing rose tinted opiate glasses doesn't mean drugs are good for society. I use drugs too, legal and illegal, but don't bullshit me, or yourself, that the only reason society doesn't approve is because they're not allowed to enjoy themselves. We all know this is bullshit, and reality is never a one answer question.

>>689704712
>But I will also enjoy a cup of tea, or 50mg of hydroxyzine on lazy days
Kek, only on /b/

>>689704857
So why was/is weed illegal? Why was/is gay sex illegal? Why was/is alcohol illegal?
It's very arbitary what's allowed and what's forbidden.

>>689705411
That's one opinion. Mine is that when I want to come off, like I did recently, it was worth it. All those better days I had, years even were worth the week or so in withdrawals coming off.

>>689691211
>>689692110
Nope. You're all fucking worthless lowlife pieces of shit who try to act enlightened and your "wait wait just hear me out!!" Makes me laugh because you think you're intelligent with your life choices. Off drugs you'd have a stronger mind, stronger body and you'd be the king of everything. You're just the king of shit looking for your fix.

>>689705731
>only on /b/

I like variety m8

>>689701383
I got started socially, at parties and stuff. I became more socially accepted because of it. More smiles, compliments (anon you're not such a spaz anymore) etc. Basic behavioral reinforcement. I sober up, the reinforcement goes away. It's been like this for years, and no amount of Tony Robbins makes the sober me more likeable.

>>689705538
Well i'm not usind drugs but i feel that shitty. That's one reason why I'm beginning to be interested in drugs. The concept of "self medication" looks reasonable to me.

>>689705538
Exactly. This is my entire point I guess itt and my problem. Before I took drugs my mentality was shit. I hated life etc. On drugs I loved life and improved my life like I wouldn't have sober.

Now I'm off and feel like I did pre-drugs Era. It's just all shit for me and I'm fucked

Very entertaining and insightful thread. OP here and I thank you all for the posts. Good luck fellow sober people thinking about going back on. OP out.

>>689705811
King of everything? You're fucked. Never a lion, always a sheep looking up.

>>689705645
Completely true. But on the other hand, how can it ever be considered responsible to put yourself in instant addiction? You're making a snap decision about a way longer lasting addiction, that you have no idea if you'd ever be able to kick if you'd ever feel like it. Opiates, unless given for medical reasons, and taken accordingly, will never be possible to use responsibly because your addiction clouds your judgement. This could be argued is applicable to alcohol or any other drug too. The difference is that with opiates, addiction is a given.

how do you filthy junkies manage to make such a long thread about being worthless drug addicts there are two pieces of info that matter here
DO DRUGS OR DONT DO DRUGS /THREAD

>>689706155
With an attitude like that, no wonder you're at the bottom of the barrel. Keep kissing my toes, druggie.

>>689703376
awww dayum thats hot D:

>>689705811
Says the fag that probably drinks, consumes insane amounts of sugar, and regularly drinks coffee. You can't win an argument by opening with the statement that hearing your opponent out is undesirable. You stick to your ad hominem and see how respected and intelligent you'll be considered.....

>>689706121
Oh my god, have you not seen the fucking misery in this thread? How retarded are you. Depression needs medical attention, get it. Don't start thinking you know what the fuck you're doing just because you've obtained momentary happiness.

>>689706520
Attitude like what? Disrespectful toward sheep? Cowardly little sheep? Little bitty butthurt sheep? Never a lion, always a sheep, sheep.

>>689706725
Advice coming from the angry little bitch anon.

>21
>smoking pot for 6 years, since 2012 every day (2 - 6 joints per day)
>tried LSA, LSD, Shrooms, MDMA, Ketamin, Kratom, Ecstasy

my life works great, carreer´s not influenced, got a girlfriend and my family is happy, they know that I´m smoking this much.

Imo Reality or Soberness are just a way of perception.
There´s a Reason for feeling "high" or smth like this and maybe drugs are just a way to open your mind while using parts of the brain you would not while beeing sober

>>689706563
You tell me to stick to ad hominem yet you did just that and I didn't. I just replied to two obviously worthless pieces of shit and here go and fucking reply to me like I'm the enemy. Which obviously means I hit something inside you that makes you want to defend your terrible choices on life. I don't drink, drinking is disgusting. I drink coffee sometimes, and your 4chan instincts kicked in just to say stupid shit like that. "Wahaha you do coffee I do heroin we are the same relying on drugs neener neener neener". Keep telling yourself that you worthless bug.

>>689706744
I never told you to speak. Kiss my pinky toe now and shut up.

>>689706948
You did? No you didn't coward. Now go get fitted for that vest so you can be a sheep.

>>689707141
>starts calling me a sheep out of nowhere
Yes, choosing not to do what most people are smart enough not to do makes me a "sheep". I laugh heartily.

>>689707247
Out of nowhere? You want to be king of everything! Only sheep who cannot see want to be a lion so badly. I have a vest for you!

>>689706948
I don't do drugs harder than weed. I care because I don't see the point in people around me dying because others found it morally wrong. Get your fucking morals out of the picture. I'd love to see you find out about a loved one having an addiction to a shitty drug. See how fucking wrong you are about worthless lives.

>>689707386
I forgot that most 4chan users are so used to cherrypicking that they unintentionally take things out of context or over exaggerate for their benefits. Kind of like a retarded sheep

>>689706948
This is bait

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>>689696464
How do you even stay awake? 10 mg and I'm sleepin now. But back when I was on oxy for 2 years of surgery, ya. I was in and out of feelgood and dopesick every day.
Basically: the drugs made me paranoid, and delusional, and angry, without realizing it. They're actually the worst for you aside from amphetamine.

All the anxiety and dope sick versions of you, are just reality knocking again to see an old friend, you. Nobody wants a nodding out dope head for professional work. Nobody wants your ass behind the wheel. Nobody wants you on drugs, period.

Grow up, get out and start bettering yourself and healing. All your anxiety is just the realization that you're not good enough, and your cravings and pains are just your bodies excuse to deny your own mind's want for healing.

Basically, you're wrong, backwards, and that's exactly how this stuff gets you.

>>689707652
Homosayswhat?

>>689706888
Smoking pot for 6 years straight is not the same as shooting heroin. Or occasionally doing meth.

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>>689707869
Wait, what?

>>689696306
Why do you think this species of poppy has made it for so long? Because this plant has evolved to make its users think they NEED it.
You've been hypnotized by a plant that leeches off you and hopes you die for its fertilizer. It hopes you end up cut open in a gladiator ring like its first appearances in Ancient Rome. It hopes you March to your death, painless but starved and dying faster than the enemy could inflict, like the Roman army.

>>689707792
Most of the time anxiety is caused by trauma and phobias not because you have a low self esteem.

>>689707792
>implying the body has a will
>implying your body has excuses
>"to deny your own mind's want for healing"

What a load of bullshit, you want to do drugs because you want to do drugs. Sure, there are multiple reasons for this, one being addiction, but it's hardly a struggle between your body and your 'mind's want for healing'. There is no fucking healing, and there's no conflict. Your brain is in charge, and your brain is effected by the drug. The rest you are completely right about, but this new age bullshit about healing and what 'your body wants' and what 'your mind wants' is just wrong.
Your body is not doing anything that your brain is not telling it to do, intentionally or unintentionally.

>>689708047
You should see the video I posted about rat park.

>>689708179
Yea like traumas and phobias from incidences that happen while dopesick or that get worse as you overdose or come down. Shit gets worse as your defense mechanisms of handling things in sobriety tumble down like an atrophied limb you haven't moved in 7 years...
shut the fuck up

Can one develop a psychosis from doing oxy? Just asking because I want to try it but I'm not really a drug person, I get fucking panic attacks from smoking weed or even just drinking caffeine sometimes, only alcohol doesn't seem to affect me badly.

>>689691211
Ok so...
>rips bong
>takes shot
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THIRD THING!?
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THIRD THING!?
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THIRD THING!?
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THIRD THING!?
>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THIRD THING!?
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THIRD THING!?

>>689708548
There's no way you'll have anxiety on oxy unless you do too much and that is a scary point my friend, but it's a scary point that peaks back. Back to bliss after you survive and that peak makes you risk the whole overdose again. It's bad. Like I said, this poppy plant wants you to kill yourself for its fertilizer.
You'll get over your regular humanly problems and awkwardnesses and anxieties naturally by getting used to things, but with opiates it's another story. Your ability to confront problems just gets shattered and next thing you know, 2 years, 4 years, 6 years of your life is gone working at McDonald's and then you get fired when they find your pills fallen out of your pocket or w/e. You get cut off from your cash flow and you realize how you've fucking lost your life and stopped caring about everyone while pink Floyd- Time plays every time you fall asleep.

>>689708894
Also need to know

>>689707869
never said so. and also not thinking you can relate heroin to pot

>>689709242
>>689708894
THIS, ANSWER US YOU FUCKING JUNKIES!!!

>>689708540
Trauma's and phobias can happen to anybody at anytime. You are implying a whole lot of bullcrap and nobody is taking you seriously.

Nobody is stupider than these smart ass, condescending, excuse ridden, junky fucks trying to moralize their fucking habits because they haven't the brain left to see how their life is headed. They haven't been sober longer than a few hours a day or a few days a month, if that.
Also, they shit their pants after they've been constipated for days on end, opiates slow/stop your GI tract.
If you want to shit your pants or shit blood, shrivel into a stick figure or absolutely hate everything and want to fucking die, opiates are the drug for you!

WHAT IS THAT THIRD THING THE LADY USES IN OP'S WEBM!
>WHAT IS THAT THIRD THING THE LADY USES IN OP'S WEBM!
WHAT IS THAT THIRD THING THE LADY USES IN OP'S WEBM!
>WHAT IS THAT THIRD THING THE LADY USES IN OP'S WEBM!
WHAT IS THAT THIRD THING THE LADY USES IN OP'S WEBM!

>>689709498
Because you're a hopeless idiot. Go OD. The flowers could use some more nitrogen.

>>689709693
i think it's a dab (concentrated form of marijuana)

just saying but maybe you have a shit ethical system and character and you need to work on that instead of hiding how shit you are behind drugs?
start with Aristotle

>>689709693
Dude Noone knows0

>>689709660
My IQ is 116, never shit my pants, can easily be sober if i want to. My life is only heading a positive direction since I use instead of downhill. Your image of users is very wrong, you just assume that everybody that uses is like that classic junkie who would sell their mothers for a fix, anorexic, covered in soars with fallen out teeth looking like crap that makes excuses for themselves. I've just talked about a lack of natural opiates that stops the flow of serotonin. Please before you judge do actual research instead of making a complete idiot of yourself.

>>689708894
its a device for dabbing oils, i forget what its called. its like honey nector something or some shit i forget

You all remind me of this junky in my ethics class. Morherfucker thought he was the hand of righteousness and couldn't finish a fucking sentence. He went on and on, furiously. Like "well what if it's something that people see as wrong, but you don't see it as wrong, because it helps you, but it fucks all of them over in the ass and makes you look like a dick but helps you feel better". Blablabla you motherfucking junkies are all in a dope spell.

>>689708894
>>689710404
yea i was close google honey nectar dab

>>689709819
Wow what a smart thing to say *applauds*

>>689709145

Oh okay, thanks for the warning. Wasn't planning on making it a regular thing but I guess that might happen without me having control over it.

>>689710374
Fucking junky tries to use an IQ value to prove his intelligence like a true autist would. IQ is nothing but an ability to identify patterns on a piece of paper and nobody cares about it.
You won't entertain the possibility, because you are lost. Go be sober for a year now and then you can tell me with honest conviction whether or not you were, momentarily functional.
You're gunna end up like the guy who can't even smile anymore.

My judgements only fuel your conviction though, that's what makes this plants dope spell so unique. It totally robs you of your care for the opinions of others.
You lose your soul.

>>689710855
If you try it and have an addictive personality with a cheap easy and doable way to keep getting it worthwhile, then yes you shouldn't try it. Basically it's just for surgery anyway.

>>689710405
So how do you feel about people with add and adhd getting speed from their doctor to function normally? Is that all okay because a doctor said so? or are you against that too? Because I'm pretty sure this wasn't an option in the past and that people with add and adhd oftenly became outcasts of society, and took speed and xtc to feel better and everybody called them junkies too and treated them harshly but there really was a good reason why they functioned better but nobody understood that at that time. Now because it's all proven to be helpful it's suddenly accepted by society and is just very normal for those people who use speeds because a doctor told them to.

>>689710893
I said it because it proves I am intelligent ;)
I have had been clean for years and nope, it's not like you say it is. I do care about opinions of others I always take those into account but I don't like it when people are clearly not up to date with facts, or that they are so closeminded that they deprive themselves from growing. You are a closeminded person and you stick to your believes, you don't care about other's opinions and experiences. And you are calling me robes of my care of other's opinions? Ha very funny dude. But I'm going to stop tying to enlighten you because you clearly stick to your own crooked way of thinking and I can tell you all I want but you'll stay stuck in that idea which is a shame.

Take LSD and Psilocybin mushrooms y'all. At least 3.5 -5 grams shrooms. And 2 tabs of LSD. Amazing! Trippy as fuck! Like a new world, a new Reality. Life changing shit. Even helps with depression and anxiety afterwards. I love psychedelics man. I don't see why you wouldn't pick these over opiates and crap like that. Expand your mind, and truly open your eyes. Peace n Love be with you

>>689711652
I have tried them but it doesn't help for me, I also tried to microdose them for a long period instead of opiates but it just didn't do the trick for me. It also made my body experience a lot of pain sometimes. It was a nice experience tho, it made me feel more connected to my inner child and all my senses worked better, i could see more I could feel more and I could smell and taste more...really awesome but alas it didn't helped me with feeling and functioning better.But I'd still recomand it to try this first before trying opiates

>>689711103
Blablablabla
Dude. No. Ritalin and shit? Daily drug? No. It was bad. They should have been on the stuff probably only while studying for tests or on test days. I know a few ADDeral kids who are the skinniest grimeyest fucks now.
All things in moderation, never under it more often than you're over it, and you might be safe.
People find ways around their ADD, ways like having someone actually smart, teach them how to study/ study with them and motivate them.
The same goes with ppl using opiates for whatever reason unless it's for severe back/brain/dick pains or w/e.

Asking junk head how he's functioning while on drugs or dope sick is like asking an embarrassing drunk guy if he thinks embarrassing himself. Even if you tell him that he's embarrassing, he will just tell you to fuck off like the typical nodding subway junk head or crop by morning bum.

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>>689691211
You're 29 and your asking 4chan advice on this? You realise the average age of this place? There is heaps of people who say they have their drug habit down to a science, not too much not too little. Then their missus dumps them, then they compensate and OD a week later. I've seen dozens of people use this argument, and dozens more lose control of their edge-of-a-knife-balance addiction and get fucked up beyond all help when things turn bad. There is plenty of legal drugs that can help you deal with shit, that are prescribed by doctors training. Not all doctors however find a competent one. Self medicating with hillbilly heroin, oxys and whatever you're on is a recipe for disaster. I've seen numerous good mates go down that way. You are two years older than me fuck man.

>>689691211
They call us functioning addicts nowadays been a smack head for 15 years now never missed a days work yet and what I do with my hardship is my business only

>>689712146
Ya dude these kids, even the claiming to be sober ones are full of shit.

>>689712490
I bet if I met your family they wouldn't say the same.

>>689712444
Bet your family thinks you're reeeal functional

>>689712114
People with add/adhd don't just take meds for studying they take it everyday even if they don't study anymore. But good to know you are also against doctors advice

>>689712490
Fucken oath. AA is full of shit as well, sitting around with a bunch of other lost people looking for answers in their bullshit 'accept you are a useless cunt and the only way out is god' crap. Little metal tokens for doing a good job one day at a time. Find a mate who's got over it, and if hes cool with it ring him up and chat when you have a bad day. Everyone I've known who tries giving up a serious drug habit solo fails

>>689692170
Pretty much this tbqh

>>689693367
Holy fucking shit, you described me to a T, that's why tramadol is my favourite, 100-150mg , just makes me feel normal. Oh my god

>>689691211
ITT: delusional losers trying to rationalize to themselves that being addicted to something is somehow a plus

>>689713133
It's because when you're on drugs, you don't need anybody because you're capable of ignoring your problems all by yourself!!
But when you're off them, you don't know how to distract or motivate yourself on your own anymore. Especially to not do a drug. You don't know how to enjoy other things.
You don't remember what even was enjoyable, or what you could enjoy.

>>689691211

ITT: we try to turn our drug addiction into something good and legitimate.

>>689712146

this should perfectly end this thread.

>>689691211
The problem with your reasoning is that while you're on drugs, you cannot objectively judge your life. I get what you're saying, but the catch is that drugs will stop working their magic over time and you will have to take opiates every day not to feel good, but to avoid feeling like shit.