>>688973698
You're right. I wish I lived in a country like yours where nobody ever gets killed.

>>688973862

that guy got his jimmies rustled instantly

>>688973698
That was in florida. Nobody wants to deal with what happens in florida

>>688973698
the US could at least confine itself to shooting the stupid and ugly ones. i wouldn't crawl over her to get to you. even if she is dead.

We're in dire need of controlling birth rates as a country, along with the libtard majority trying to flood us with the good and bad browns, I'd say the shootings should increase. I'm poor and brown too so hopefully I'd be taken out swiftly in population control utopia.

>>688973862
Mobility scooter fag detected

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>>688974112
>I'm poor and brown too so hopefully I'd be taken out swiftly in population control utopia

fo back to /pol/ lier

>>688974082
this cumguzzling faggot speaks the truth, Florida, and pretty much every state outside of the Northeast is fucking awful, third world country tier madness

>>688973698
there already is gun control so fuck off

>christina grimmes
>be american
>get shot
>kek :^)

More mental health money. Throw these people in asylums and forget about them.

>>688974245
and the northeast is just entitled douchebags and jews

anyone got a video?

>>688974332
>Be faggot
>Have nothing to contribute
>Abuse greentext
>Finish with fag smiley, :^)

>>688974314

seems to be working fine, at least from non-murican pov :^)

>>688974412
No it's the most educated area of the country, and we have the best hospitals.

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>>688973698
BANG BANG! Been shot in the balls!

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>>688973698
stop spamming this shit noone cares

>>688974427

jimmies rustled

>>688974547

eat shit you doublenigger

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>>688974670
WERD!

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>>688974427
>Abuse greentext

Gun control is the best option.

Place firm anti gun laws. As we all know, this will prevent any gun violence.

>>688974314
it doesn't seem to be working when it comes to small children accidentally shooting themselves, does it?

>>688974900
This smells of weak bait.

>>688974900

Not sure if it's meant to prevent all gun violence, but rather reduce it to a tolerable level.

>>688974512
I've lived everywhere from PA to Colorado to Texas, to Cali, to Florida now.

Florida is the shitdick fuck state. PA and Dele are pretty rural, chill, and there's a good mix of rich/poor. Colorado is my favorite cause of the sights and vibe there, mostly low class to low-mid. Cali is for rich people but its pretty chill overall. Texas is for egotistical cunts.

Florida and Texas are fucking terrible. North Dakota is better than these fucking shitholes.

bump :^)

>>688974512
For what? Emergency medicine? Oncology? Research?

>>688973698
Don't like the Second Amendment? Pass your own amendment then.

>>688974998

Clearly. Gun control won't stop criminals.

>>688975009
Or just make it illegal for black people to use guns...

>>688973698

God why have people waited this long to kill these "the voice" idiots.

Shit if a few people just went and shot all the American Idol contestants in the first season the last two decades of garbage pop music could have been completely avoided.

All this type of music is cancer, and it's a sad state when a homicidal suicidal supreme gentleman is the only cure.

>>688975395
no, but it clearly deters gun related violence.

but how else would we defend ourselves against other guns?

>>688975609
Maybe amongst registered gun owners with legally purchased firearms. I was under the impression that most of America's gun problem is with gangs and inner cities.

Let americans kill themselves. Nost fucked up and weird country. And the world had korea and japan.

So yeah could do with a world without america.
Hope theu follow the same path as the downfal of the Roman empire and die out soon.
Lots of scholars seen a ton of similarities so it may be reality soon enough.

Tldr; america is best if extinct.

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>>688974998


So do millennials like, not understand sarcasm? It was kind of a universal language in the 90's where I grew up.

Or is everyone just aspergers these days?

>>688975395
I laugh when I see this argument posted. Actual criminals get their hands of guns without a problem sure, but how easy do you think it'll be for some problem child with brain issues to get one? legally or otherwise?

>>688975602
Yes, killing a show contestant will stop a whole music industry for being a cancer. It's like killing lots of poor ppl in a ghetto.. surely you'd be thinking you're releasing a lot of jobs and helping world hunger, but these poor ppl reproduce faster than you can kill. It feels good but it doesnt help really

>>688976050
Probably about as difficult as it is to buy pot or get alcohol when underage...pretty fucking easy.

>>688974112
it's 630 on the east coast. neets are asleep. prove you're an american.

>>688974956
Age 14 and under, deaths by drowning: 625

Age 14 and under, deaths by firearm (intentional and otherwise): 408

Swimming pools are more deadly to young children than guns are.

Lets ban pools first, then worry about guns.

Seems silly doesn't it?

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>>688975609
For private citizens, guns are illegal outside your home in Chicago for all practical purposes. Gun control does not seem very effective in this case.

But your gun control law would be better, amirite?

>>688975901

actually quite a noticeable part of the problem resides ouside organized violence, for example kids shooting up schools or accidentally shooting themselves

>>688976050

Look at the murder rates in places like Detroit, South Central.... Are they beating one another to death? Nope. Poppin Caps.

>>688976173

well yes with current gun laws, sure

the point would be to change these laws so guns wouldn't be as easy to get your hands on

>>688976013
Way to assume I am a millenial, and way to pull the whole "THE 90S WERE BETTER" shit.

If you haven't noticed, anything you say nowadays reverberates pretty well along the community, so people might actually believe you when you say dumb things like that.

>>688975009
you're being sold the illusion of safety in order to oppress minorities

>>688976050

If they can't get a gun then they'll just make a bomb. It's pretty easy. I think guns are just more fun and dramatic.

>>688976218

so by your logic america should get rid of drowning deaths before trying to reduce deaths by firearms?

>>688973698
oh look the cranky baby limeys are up from their nappies and ready to take on the americans too tired to argue.

>>688975609
>clearly
citation?

>>688976459

are you saying that you disagree with what I said in the post you quoted?

Someone got a video of her getting shot?

>>688976321

Look at Rome 305 BC

They were all popping caps... oh wait, there were no guns... and civil murder rates were exponentially higher than the USA now. hmm i thought you had a point then I realized you're an idiot.

>>688976571

why would anyone sane argue with that? I'm not sure if arguing was OPs point

>>688976236
you are looking at a very specific area.

look at it as a whole, ie, canada, australia.

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I live in Ireland. We have guns here, limited to shotguns and bolt actions, and semi-automatics so long as the calibre is really, really low. There are fuck all deaths here from guns because acquiring a license is a longer process than what you have to go through in the states, and you actually need a reason (ie. hunting, protecting land from vermin if you are a farmer etc.)

There is literally no reason that you should be allowed to live in the middle of a built up city with a registered Glock in the glovebox and an AR in your house. There's no reason.

And before you starts screaming HURR DURR MUH HOME PROTECTION, guns in America are used to kill people OUTSIDE of their homes, with 30 people being murdered a day, and over half of them are between the ages of 18-35. Yet you want to argue that taking away how easy it is for these people to procure guns won't make a difference to that number. How retarded can a nation be?

explain how you get from point a to point b

do laws against drugs make them difficult to obtain? for those of you who don't procure illicit substances, the answer is no.

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>>688976671

to prove your point further, you should definitely use cave men as your example

there was violence back then as well, and the weaponry was even more crude than in Rome

>>688976218
What a fucking retard

>>688976441

I just assume if you don't understand basic obvious sarcasm you're either young, or autistic.

I don't think I said, or even insinuated "the 90's are better" Not sure where you're getting that from. I was recalling how sarcastic everyone was when I was a kid, and wondering if things have changed.

You sure do make some strong assumptions based on nothing. Are you emotionally unstable by any chance?

>>688976573
>>688976573
>> In 2014, only 35 people were victims of firearms homicide (1 in 685000 population),[36] compared to 98 people in 1996 [37] (1 in 186000 population). A 3.7 fold decrease in firearm homicide rates since controls were introduced.

Suicide deaths using firearms more than halved over the ten years, from 389 deaths in 1995, to 147 deaths in 2005

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>>688976459
Should Stop and Frisk police tactics be used in Chicago? This would likely save more lives than any proposed gun law.

Whaddya say logical anons?

>>688975395
criminals are idiots mostly, of course restricted access to guns would stop them

>>688973698
>be australian
>go to school
>feel safe
>hadagoodday.jpg

>be american
>go to school
>hit the floor
>psycho kid who thinks hes the devil shooting up the school
>but muh freedoms
>god bless mcmurrica

>>688976050
a criminal is just a person who has chosen to ignore the law. they dont have gun-acquiring super-powers.

>>688976671

We aren't speaking of ancient Rome, OP's gripe, along with this whole conversation, is about America, correct? Sure, civil murder rates could be higher, but show me where knife control prevented death by knife in Rome.

>>688976013
So, you grew up during the 1990s and presumably reached adulthood around the year 2000, give or take a few years... I'm not sure if you're aware, but you are a millennial, boyo.

>>688976796

>do laws against drugs make them difficult to obtain?

yes, somewhat

but gun control laws wouldn't be aimed to create a 0% chance for a edgy teenager to get a weapon in his hands during his angsty outburst... the goal would rather be to reduce the chance

>>688976824

Not to mention the dinosaurs, holy fuck! Fucking fangs and shit.

It's almost as if, violence is actually just a part of being a living organism, And it's like, weapons are an extension of that, and not the other way around.

Imagine that.....

>>688976511
by your logic, one untimely (and statistically less lethal) method of death is preferable to another.

>>688973862
You're not doing anyone a favor, American. Replies like these makes the whole population look retarded and uneducated.

Austrian here. It is peaceful up here in our beautiful mountains, well-funded public schools and free hospitals.
Please stay in America, killing each other. Thank You.

>>688973918
Took the b8

>>688973698
American here.
Guns are never allowed in concerts.
Every concert I've been to their was
always a security check for weapons.
No guns allowed. Guns got in.
Making guns illegal won't make guns
disappear.

Criminals don't follow laws.
Making guns illegal won't stop them from
getting/using them. Seriously, common sense.

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>>688977050

if you want to misunderstand my posts on purpose, then sure, yeah

>>688973698
the problem isnt guns. it is niggers with guns.

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>>688975366
/thread

>>688976917

Maybe for a moment, until civil liberties lawsuits went through the roof, and the police force was forced to stop, thus leaving us back where we started.

>>688976511

should get rid of the GREATER THREAT, before the LESSER threat.

Is it really that hard to follow such simple logic?

>>688977022

I'm glad you reached that point, now the next step is to understand that violence can be restricted or even stopped to some degree nowadays - unlike with dinosaurs

>>688977135

yeah I know, he shouldn't have replied to OP

>>688976218
i'll worry about pools when kids can bring them to school and drown other children with it.

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>>688977261
That argument seems rather reductionist. And you don't really answer the question.

>>688977188

checked

and no one misunderstands you, we're just poking holes in your faulty thought process. You're bias and not thinking clearly.

Something that kills more children, is more dangerous to children. How can you even argue against that?

Emotionally, you're more scared of guns than pools. So even though logically pools kill more children, you're argument is based in emotion, therefore not logical, and therefore not worth a shit.

>>688973698
thank god i'm not american

>>688977263

I'm not sure if americans see drowing as a bigger threat to the nation than gun murders... seems like you're just making that shit up

after all, as a midclass white male I'm at least more worried with someone going on a shooting spree than to drowning me

>>688977188
are you going to rebut or not?
The issue is that you claim to be trying to reduce fatalities, but you are actually just interested in reducing the availability of firearms. Pools are statistically more likely to kill a child than firearms. the right to own a pool is not protected by the constitution, but you'd probably agree that it would be ridiculous to ban them in the name of public safety.

>>688977140
Whatever dude, once they ban something it's gone forever. They must have forgot to put ”no guns” on every door and the person just walked in THAT door. Classic mistake.

man pretty girl too
that's unfortunate

LMAO at the americans in here with their "logic".. I know why the second amendment is in place in america but its outdated now. You have an organized police force and you can no longer prevent tyranny from the state as their weapons are more highly advanced than yours. Anyway you can stop gov tyranny without weapons.

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>>688974778
>stop abusing the green text, we are only allowed so many characters of green text on 4chan per day

>be american
>get shot

>>688977460

>Emotionally, you're more scared of guns than pools.

well, who sane person wouldn't be? it's not like the pool was morely likely to attack me when I went to high school.. naturally the more likely option, like school shooting would be more frightening to anyone in my place

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>>688973698
>You don't need
>don't need
>need

LAST I CHECKED IT WASN'T CALLED THE BILL OF NEEDS

>>688977272

lol. you're serious?

Then how come no one in the world is doing it?

You have the answer to something that is plaguing every society world wide since the advent of civilization?

Pray tell what is your solution? Closing up pandoras box? good luck with that one.

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>>688973862
Faggots responding to your post. Faggots not knowing sarcasm. Autistic fucks don't get it.

anyone got videos of the shooting?

>be american
>be a student
>be a president
>be a singer
>be a nigger
>get shot
what a shithole country

>>688977446

Sure, it would save more lives for a time, but again, once the police had to stop the practice, the violence would return.

In general, I'm not one for gun control. I don't think it will help anything in general, since criminals usually don't obtain guns through standard means. If i buy a gun off something like Craigslist or OfferUp, the person selling isn't going to perform a background check, are they?

>>688977649

But think about wetbacks who do pool cleaning and don't go to high schools. For them the pools are clearly the bigger threat.

But then again, who gives a shit about wetbacks.

>>688977649
overlooking accidents/negligence. which are more likely to cause your death than intent. but you're more afraid of a hypothetical bad man with a gun because fear-mongering.

>>688975022
really colorado? always seemed like itd be hard to find work there. so youre saying rent prices are low and theres jobs? id be down to move there to get the fuck out of cali. everything here is so overinflated in price its retarded

>>688975902
its definitely going to happen. theres absolutely no way around it other than assassinating every politician, corporate ceo, and wallstreet banker. too many people, too few jobs, too shity of pay rate vs cost of living, too many poor, and slowly the country is becoming third world status where people dont even have access to clean water all over the us because of fracking and corporate polluting with 0 government regulation to stop it. this country is so fucking fucked, its suicide to have any kind of long term plan to stay here. in 10-20 years, shit is going to hit the fan BIG TIME. all these people spitting kids out right now in this current baby boom are just contributing to the downfall of america and willingly subjecting their children to a future of no future

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>>688973698
If it had been a stabbing or a bomb would you have posted a thread like this?

Stop dragging tragedies into your anti-gun agenda and pretending its about the loss of life and not just about you feeling insecure for not having a gun, but being too afraid of them to get one.

>>688977614
There are 370+ million of us. Even advanced weapons don't mean shit when facing those numbers.

>>688973862

at least in america people are held accountable

the man had to commit suicide after

>>688977368

This

>>688977708

>Then how come no one in the world is doing it?

you really think that no one in the world is doing anything to reduce violence? or is this just low quality bait?

>>688977272

by taking away the power of arms from the ordinary citizen, and consolidating that power back into the hands of an all powerful minority?

Have you ever actually read a history book?

>>688973698
He'll with terrible singers like this getting killed off, I wish they invented guns that shot other guns.

>>688977782

Why would the police have to stop the practice?

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>>688973698
Why do people waste their time murdering people that dont even matter like this (or school children) instead of focusing on murdering politicians and bankers that are destroying the country? Instead of this random voice contestant, this asshole couldve killed hillary clinton or donald trump and saved the entire fucking planet from annihilation

>>688977140
im 99% sure it will

>make guns illegal
>companies stop making them
>shops cannot ell them
>still some guns in circulation
>will slowly decline due to searches/arrests etc
>eventually very few left
>gun deaths at all time low

problem solved

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>>688977819
you think all 370 would revolt?? Revolts dont work like that. Its always groups against groups with different agendas.

>>688977059
When firearm murders go down, other methods go up. How's Britain doing with banning sharp knifes?

>>688977708
furthermore, you're overlooking the FACT that you are more likely to drown than be shot to death. but you choose to take precaution against the less likely odds, because it feels good. see the trend? emotionally-driven.

its like when people worry about a couple thousand 'fugees, when they should be worried about heart disease.

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>>688973698
>everything's going according to plan

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Just a regular day in the land of freedom

>>688977555
keked and checked

>>688973698
everyone is killing everyone.

>every second around the world.

>>688977814
>>688977814
>>688977814
this

>>688977577
>once they ban something it's gone forever

Are you serious? Countless things are banned here but still exist. For example, cocain. Highly illegal in the US. But yet I know a few co workers that can get them easily. You're living in a fairytale. If the criminal saw the "no guns" sign we all know that wouldn't stop anything.

...that was bait wasn't it?

>>688977649

Ok, so you admit it's fear that's governing your opinion, not logic.

That's good. Now you can step back, and reexamine the issue, this time not letting fear control your thought process.

This is how a logical conclusion is reached.

>>688973698
Up past her bed time

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>>688974424
please video

>>688973698
i wonder what tea drinking faggot posted this.

>go sucks the queens dick. its been 4 bongs.

>>688977782

>>If i buy a gun off something like Craigslist or OfferUp,

I think you should start by making that illegal.

>>688977811

well if you want to know if I'm more scared to hypothetical bad man with a gun or hypothetical pool accident, then I guess I answered you already

also, I don't really fear either option in a way that has a effect to my everyday life - just stating that someone with a gun who's out there for me is a bigger threat to me than a pool, at least by my standards

>>688978000
Doggo is right
And checked

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>>688973698
YOU WILL NOT INFRONGE ON MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. ARENT YOU LIBRGAYS ALREADY BUSY GRABBING PEOPLE SODAS AWAY?

>>688973862
i love u anon.

>>688977970
Depends on what happens to precipitate it. Military is big, but Americans won't want to kill other Americans without a good fucking reason-- especially those in the military that feel a sense of pride or a misguided sense of ”I'm protectin' your freedom.”

>>688973698

Right.. Cause the guy planning murder cares if the weapon of choice is legal

dummies

its the fucking future. you can 3d print guns

if somebody wants to make the decision to take a life, thats their own and they will be held accountable. but whats taking away the tools do? you can kill a man with a rock

taking away guys will not stop the supply and demand of guns, they will just ALL be murdered with unregistered firearms

how like.

i mean this makes sense, you fucking assholes. who seriously thinks taking away guns will stop anything?

remember the war on drugs?

huehuehue

>>688977460
americans are in denial about guns. a pool is not a fucking weapon. yes, sure, you could tell the stupid parents they have to keep an eye on their children when they are in pool, but you can also make guns harder to get so that every emo teenager who gets this stupid idea in their head to shoot everyone at school can't actually make it happen and will maybe have more time to be noticed and given help. if guns are strictly regulated and you can't access them, it will be harder to kill someone with a gun. sure, if you are a criminal you will find a way, but not everyone who kills someone is already a criminal. they become a criminal.

>>688973698
Just elect Clinton

She wants to abolish the second amendment anyway. Well abolish it for men

>>688978052
B8 m8. We're on the same page

>>688977828
Yes, yes, let's let anyone kill whoever they want with whatever gun they can get their grubby little hands on, but we'll make sure to hold them accountable afterward

>>688977652
>you have the right to kill and be killed by guns

>>688977140
was he a criminal because he killed the girl or was he a criminal before that? Was he a criminal when he had the gun? because he wouldn't have been a criminal if he didn't obtain it

Almost everybody here are fucking idiots.

With your; oh criminals wont follow the law, so why should we change the law if they wont abide by it?

Thats some fucking psychotic way of thinking americans. Just say you dont want your fucking guns taken away at least you dont sound as retarded.

Ofcourse criminals dont fucking follow the law, theyre criminals. Imagine applying that way of thinking to other laws. Why dont we just get rid of all laws cuz there always gonna be a criminal and he aint listening to the law.

Fucking idiots.

America your not long for this world anymore. Biggest laughingstock of this world. With your cartoon network like elections and dumbfuck comedans as political leaders. With your obesity fucking inbred americans having so much first world luxury that being so fucking fat is a national passtime.

A country with wallmart and those fat retards on mobility scootets with their only future being the movie wall-e has no place in this world.

I mean goddamn your country has more annual school shootings than days in a year. Get your shit together and keep guns out of reach of fucking unstable americunts.

>>688977614

Advanced weapons are expensive, they break down easily, and require supply trains, landing fields, control towers, computers. And Afghanistan, and vietnam have shown us they're not very effective against guerilla warfare.

>>688977891

>by taking away the power of arms from the ordinary citizen, and consolidating that power back into the hands of an all powerful minority?

damn, that's pretty tough if that's the only option for you to see it...

>>688977933
I don't understand how people don't get this. If guns were made illegal (which isn't going to happen btw), the number of guns would steadily decline until there were very few left.

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>>688978193

guns * plz grammar nazis forgive me and dont derail the point like you usually do xd

you know what i meant.

>>688978073

>Ok, so you admit it's fear that's governing your opinion, not logic.

let me quote myself here

>also, I don't really fear either option in a way that has a effect to my everyday life - just stating that someone with a gun who's out there for me is a bigger threat to me than a pool, at least by my standards

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>>688977933
Illegal for who? Pretty sure the Army needs guns. Cops will too, at least for a while. In the meantime, there is the 2nd Amendment. You don't like it? OK. I do like it.

>>688977819
You're retarded. You'd be lucky to get a couple million to revolt.

I never understood a argument from those who support the 2nd ammendment and let me tell you i'm neutral on the whole issue
>"we need our guns to protect ourselves from the government/rebel when there is tyranny"
Don't they know the government has fucking superior firearms compared to any regular folk. For fuck sakes the govt. has laser weapons and railguns and probably alien tech hiding somewhere

It's not like she was famous or very good.

>>688973698
its that gun culture bro, we cant really do anything about it, except give more and more people firearms apparently.

>>688977874

People are doing things. But those things aren't working. Violence persists.

The second you don't let a man protect his home with free access to firearms, there will be south africa scale home invasions, family rape executions are a weekly occurrence over there.

>>688973862
I'd bet my own life that at least half the replies to this are the same faggot.

>>688978398

It is your God given right to be shot by your fellow citizen. Embrace it like a true American.

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>>688974512
Have you ever been to upstate New York? Didn't fucking think so.

>>688978375

it's not about an organized revolt.

It's about a house to house nazi style sweep being logistically impossible due to the right to bare arms.

>>688978169
yes, that wont happen in this day and age. Romes miltitary also had a sense of we're doing this for the glory of our people and the will of the people is greater than the senate but that changed over time. I dont know if that would happen with americans army though. Its two different beasts we're talking about. I do not think it will ever come to that again unless societal upheaval.

Propaganda like protecting you as the core is always good. Its stops the gov turning the army in on its own people but it can also cause your army to do horrible things to others in the name of your freedom. I am rambling. No sleeep.

>>688978396
I'll give you that she wasn't famous, but she was very good. Look her up.

>>688978272
lol americans BTFO! Nice writeup anon.

>>688974412
The northeast is a fucking cesspool of delusional trash
>ct fag here

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>>688977614
We could just depend on the bobbys and their rape whistles to defend our rights like a civilized eurocurry.

>fuck that, I will depend on myself and my .45 caliber freedom blaster.

>>688976700
>buttmade Briton detected
Enjoy your butter knife fights

>>688978128
your standards are completely at odds with reality.
I don't see this debate going anywhere if you don't see a problem with hiding your head in the sand.

the issue is violent crime (regardless of the tools used), which is a symptom of the the social disease called wretchedness. causes are:
poverty (or disparity, rather), and lack of education

>>688978417

>People are doing things. But those things aren't working. Violence persists.

well you see, the point isn't, or never has been, to completely get rid of violence but rather to reduce it and it's effects

thinking you could get rid of violence completely with a law or two is absolutely absurd

>The second you don't let a man protect his home with free access to firearms, there will be south africa scale home invasions, family rape executions are a weekly occurrence over there.

dunno how things are where you live but I could hardly imagine that happening... it's never happened in here, and there has never been a time here when people have armed themselves to protect their homes

>>688978392

You're literally using the same argument the British Empire used in describing the futility of the colonies revolting.

>>688978288
Guerillas in america would not stand a chance.

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>>688977614
You seem content to surrender your rights. I'm not. In fact I'd fight for them. In fact I did.

I guess we're different kind of people.

>>688976700
you realize a lot of these deaths are actually self-defense right?
Typical scenario: a nigger assaults you with a flip knife, if you don't shoot him your dead. But you wouldn't understand what 'protection' means

>>688978272
Butthurt eurotrash detected, get nuked francaís.

>>688978557
Yes, I like the idea of having the cops in-bedded in the community and trying to keep the peace instead of random joes with their 45s lol The world aint dangerous in the west no more son. We have peace.

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>>688978272
Great idea. Now execute it you fucking short sighted faggot. We're not Norway, we have mountain men, cowboys, farmers, and other real men that believe in their way of life. These people aren't euro pussies that will lay down arms because some old gutless cunt puts pen to paper, even with the right idea in mind. You pussies have all the answers until it comes time to knock on the door of a combat veteran and tell him to hand over his weapons.

Yeah right.

>>688977933

I see what you're saying and I'm not denying that gun crimes would drop. But guns have been so common for so long in the US that making them illegal won't make the VAST amount of guns in circulation disappear. If guns were made illegal now, less than half that were registered would turn up. It's too late to try to take guns back. Too many of them loosely in circulation. And I'm sure we all know how crazy us Americans can be about keeping our guns.

TLDR
I believe gun crimes, tho taking a drop, will still be very high in the US. Makes me sad.

>>688976694
>Australia bans guns
>violent home invasion increases overnight.
>OVERNIGHT
>more murders committed since guns banned
>more violent crime since guns banned

tell me again how banning guns is good?

now forget the stats for a moment.
why is the right to bear arms in the constitution in the first place?
it's the last check on government that the people have. it's the last option. If the government becomes hitler incarnate, then it's the right of the people to tear it down.

>>688978478
See
>>688977933
It wouldn't be a roundup. It would take place slowly--probably over the course of 10 years. And it would never be 100% successful, but no one would be allowed to use guns, so they'd slowly become less and less prominent as people stopped risking prison sentences just to own them.

Plus, even if the government did do a roundup, very few people would actually be willing to die for their "right" to own a gun.

>>688978622

>I don't see this debate going anywhere if you don't see a problem with hiding your head in the sand.

but I do, that's my whole point actually... americans can't just turn their heads from this gun problem - that won't help the matter at all and to be frank, acting like that is just making things worse

>the issue is violent crime (regardless of the tools used), which is a symptom of the the social disease called wretchedness. causes are:
poverty (or disparity, rather), and lack of education

I agree completely with you about the violent crime, but reducing white middle class childeren shooting up schools or themselves by accident would count as a huge victory in my books

>>688978632

you must live in a very nice place.

I suggest you visit an actual american city.

Maybe read some police reports, learn about the world around you. You seem very sheltered.

>>688978809
none of what you've said here is accurate, which is why you can't back up and of your "stats" with concrete evidence.

>>688978482
Good points anon

>>688978272
its funny how all you know about america is what you see on tv

you missed the part where we have the best transformational festivals in the world made up of an entire community of peace oriented modern thinking people trying to improve society as a whole and teach sustainable living

you missed the part where there are people starving to death because eating is a luxury only the well off can afford. and on the flipside, you have people having to eat so poorly, that their bodies become addicted to the poor foods they are forced to eat and they have no other options because good food costs too much money now. (7-9 dollars for a salad? are you shitting me? 2 dollars for 1 bellpepper? 1-2 dollars for an apple?)

you missed the part where the majority of west coasters are fitness nuts that live in gyms and yoga studios because they want the fittest body they can achieve

>>688978718

Best comeback ever! Woop woop!! You showerd those eurofags.

Not realizing europe is biggest threat to americas economy. Being second biggest world power as of this moment and still rising, and growing.

While america is just falling in decline.
Trump will never make america great again, america was never great. Americas greatest time was before civil war and you had black people doing all the work for you.

Good luck getting back to those days.

>>688978700
I live in Ireland, we have peace and safety by not giving everyone guns. We dont have a militant society or gov. Learn from us. Defend yourself only. Think of switzerland. America used to think like this before WW1.

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>>688978272
I find it interesting that people from other countries are so concerned about our crime problem that they insist we get rid of the Second Amendment.

Yeah, we're not doing that.

>>688973698
>WAAA WAAA IT'S THE PEOPLE NOT THE GUN
heh classic

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kakaya vsrataya shluha

>>688977555
Best picture posted today in the world

>>688978417
>family rape executions are a weekly occurrence over there.
So you're trying to tell us that the only reason that doesn't happen in the U.S. is because some people own guns? Fuck off lmao

>>688978781

"Greatest country in the world" cant even get an army veteran to abide by the law if the law was gun control.

Who are the pussies now?

>>688977933

mfw I have WWI guns in my collection that still function perfectly.

>Make guns illegal and they will go away
WORKED WTIH DRUGS!

Sure after a few hundred years that will work. You're brilliant.

Oh btw, people in afghanistan make ak-47's from scratch. and they don't even have the machine shop equipment that we do.

black market gun factories will pop up over night

If you retards will notice criminals don't care about laws. Gun control only works on people that obey the laws and thus, makes the law impotent.

>>688978781
>These people aren't euro pussies that will lay down arms because some old gutless cunt puts pen to paper
You're grossly overestimating the number of people willing to die for gun "rights."

>>688976013
You are a fucking millenial, idiot

>>688978933
Nah, America folded back during the boxer rebellion 8 nation bullshit in 1900. Just wanted to be "one of the guys" with the other dick "empires".

>>688978592
you americans are just violent by your nature i guess. i don't think about getting into fights every day, or at all in my life. if some psycho will come after me he will do it so that i don't expect it, and no gun could save me. i just can't see myself getting so pissed at someone that i want to kill them, nor do i see other people getting so pissed at me. that's kinda sad to think that your whole nation is built up on paranoia.

>>688978555
Anything not the westcoast and colorado are complete trash. I wish the westcoast could secede from the rest of the US and become its own country. Were just too different to even be associated with all the other trash here

>>688977933
holy shit you can't be so retarded to think the number of guns will decline. If amything, it will increase because everything will be traded on the black market

She also played smash wow

>>688979061
You're retarded if you actually believe that NRA garbage

>>688979015
That literally makes no sense. I would insult you, but it just didn't seem right.

>>688978816

you don't realize how easy it would be to make a black market gun factory? With like 50K you could build a small machine shop and pump out a dozen ak-47's a day with two people working.

>>688978963

If you dont then good luck on this path to self destruction, cant wait for grand grand grand grand kids to read in history books about amerca like kids nowadays read about the downfall of greatest empire ever lived; Roman empire.

Which btw destroyed itself if you dont know history.

>>688978816

this is the height of naivety

>>688979122
>If amything, it will increase because everything will be traded on the black market
I love that you think the black market is some place you just walk into and buy a bunch of guns

>>688979104
>99 percent from other countries
>violent by nature
wot

>>688979089
Well you wouldn't be able to pay me to do it. It just takes 1 person willing to exchange their life for yours and a little planning.

>>688979011

well it does happen in the US. A lot actually. BUt there's lots of people that have guns and shoot back. It happens a LOT more in the caribbean.

All these case files are available to the public on the internet. Please educate yourself.

>>688979134

How does that make no sense? Europe has countries where people follow the gun law because the authority is recocknised (if thats how you spell it) yet americas authority is fucking laughable.

They talked about gun control and the pople started telling so government got scared and where like okay okay guys keep your guns sorry.

Fucking pussy country.

>>688979097
Thanks anon. They probably saw the need for empire to prevent other empires from conqueing them as has been the case throughout history. Lets not forget america only had what, like 90mil people back then?

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Where are all those gun-fags now complaining about gun free zones?

So this was in a gun happy zone. Where were all the hundreds of gun-toting heroes to "protect the sheep who have no guns"?

Spineless stupid morons.

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>>688978933
Ah, Ireland, the land of peace between religions.

Pipe down Mick, else us Californians will divest our tax arrangements. You know what I', talikn' about...

Due to extensive research done by the University of Pittsburgh, diamond has been confirmed as the hardest metal known to man. The research is as follows. Pocket-protected scientists built a wall of iron and crashed a diamond car into it at 400 miles per hour, and the car was unharmed. They then built a wall out of diamond and crashed a car made of iron moving at 400 miles an hour into the wall, and the wall came out fine. They then crashed a diamond car made of 400 miles per hour into a wall, and there were no survivors. They crashed 400 miles per hour into a diamond traveling at iron car. Western New York was powerless for hours. They rammed a wall of metal into a 400 mile per hour made of diamond, and the resulting explosion shifted the earth's orbit 400 million miles away from the sun, saving the earth from a meteor the size of a small Washington suburb that was hurtling towards mid-western Prussia at 400 billion miles per hour. They shot a diamond made of iron at a car moving at 400 walls per hour, and as a result caused two wayward airplanes to lose track of their bearings, and make a fatal crash with two buildings in downtown New York. They spun 400 miles at diamond into iron per wall. The results were inconclusive. Finally, they placed 400 diamonds per hour in front of a car made of wall traveling at miles per iron, and the result proved without a doubt that diamonds were the hardest metal of all time, if not just the hardest metal known to man.

nobody even remotely aware that the shooting happened in stand-your-ground swamp-shit Florida? they literally wrote a get outta jail free card into there laws to allow them to shoot minorities or tourists.

>>688978839

>you must live in a very nice place.

Can't complain, but I'm not here to brag.. Life is jut like this around these parts of world. With exceptions, naturally. Nothing is perfect, and we do have some violence as well every now and then.

>You seem very sheltered.

Anon, believe me here.. I'm truly sorry if you see this as being sheltered.

I do respect you and your problems, but if someone else doesn't have the same problems that doesn't automatically mean he's sheltered. Maybe we have just worked for all this as a nation, creating laws to make sure things stay this way and so on. Our laws aren't perfect either, but they reduce the chance of shit hitting the fan by a great deal and that can't be a bad thing.

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thanks for giving us the 12 year old eurocuck reaction op

>>688979348
Because we have a constitution. Does your country? I'm not defending gun nuts, it just plays heavily into the situation

>>688973698
holy shit there is literally like 5 threads about this dumb bitch.

people die all the fucking time.

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>Everybody keeps saying we need to ban guns while civil war is soon on our doorsteps.

kek

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>>688978921

>>688978676
Nor the gorillaa in our zoos. Keep that in mind.

>>688979336

I don't think anti-gun people realize how violent the world is outside their little suburban bubble.

You can't take away someone's right and means to defend themselves. Otherwise we'll just be lambs to the slaughter, and the biggest baddest melee weapon mother fucking will own the hoods, like in the warlord days.

>>688979122
what do you think the police will do, when they change gun laws? just sit and hope guns will disappear? it is the job of a police to make sure illegal guns are taken away and being disposed. they will focus on that for years until everything has worked out the way they expected it.

>>688973698
Anyone got her nudes?

America is a shithole. Let's forget them. They're circling the drain...

https://twitter.com/therealgrimmie/status/432357582779338752?lang=en

>>688979449

The whole country is basically florida

>>688979560

Only post mortem nudes from the morgue have leaked.

>>688979449
You literally just wrote the race card in there

>>688977819
shoot into the crow with a hellfire missles and the rest will scatter. then manipulate the public with propaganda to obey government forces. Americans are too ffat and lazy to revolt, and your stupid guns won't do shot against the police and military.

>>688979461

Guns prevent more violence than they cause. LIke nuclear weapons. I know it's counter intuitive but it's true.

>>688979391
You clearly arent from here anyway mate. The gun voilence between the two relgious groups was in a few hot spots in the north and the deaths from it werent much. Its all stopped now and peace has been restored again :) No one cares about religion beyond a small few.

Divest away :) We're helping your investments with good tax agreements. Its us irish people who pay extra in taxes to support the state here so we can attract companies like that. Its all about gaining knowledge and starting our own companies in the long term :) Thanks cali companies. We admire your entrepreneurial spirit and wish to emulate it.

>>688979635
/b/ will be set for some marathon fapping.

FLORIDA MAN STRIKES AGAIN!

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>>688973698

Wtf, that actually true.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/11/entertainment/orlando-christina-grimmie-shot/index.html

Anyway, it's her fault! Had she been packing she could have fired back.

>>688975475
this would actually work

>>688973698
what did she drop anyway ?

>>688979203
I never said that. But from big smugglers to the local nigger selling guns in the neighborhood, people will always find a way to lay there hands on guns

>>688974112
cucked by /pol/?

>>688979464

So you take law as truth instead of truth as law?

The fucking amendements where made in simpler times. Shit has changed, so change those amendments.

I mean for crying out loud they were written with quill and ink on fucking old pieces of parchment.

>>688979887

hopefully some epic loot