you jump into conclusions a lot

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>>688291634
yes very good copy pasta

Who is the girl in pic?

before you trip yourself thinking you is jesus you should learn the difference between fact and reality shit nigga your stuck in your fantasy world you are trying to stick others into.

>>688291918

Elaborate.

>>688292139

Where have you seen this posted? You must live in another dimension.

>>688292197
lana rain
http://www.xvideos.com/video21679277/lana_rain_best_cam_no_lag_hd_
YW

>>688291634
> I'm not special
> so either there is someone special that favors me
> or it's all not real
Feeling insignificant?

>>688293439

wat? How did you get that out of my post?

Humans only know how to think like the transgender sjw's of the universe.
We think we are so smart but infact so retarded.
Literally like a retarded kid with shit in his pants. Most others are lughing at us.

>>688293753

Pretty much.

>>688293619
Your core argument is, that humans aren't special, thus we're not the reason for this universe, thus something else must be.
Like a god or a simulation.
Hence, you aren't capable of dealing with the possibility that maybe neither you nor anything happens for a reason.

>>688293753
> laughing at the young ones struggling to understand what's happening around them
What an outstanding intergalactic community.

>>688291634
Thats called mental illness, they are delusional there are tons of mental illnesses like that, feeling that they are being pursued, feeling that their lives are staged, that they are another gender etc.

>>688293935

My argument has nothing to do with being special or not. My argument is that we're misperceiving reality, ourselves, and there are laws in the universe that are controlling everything. Everything happens for a reason, but it certainly is not a man in the sky making the calls.

>>688294299

I could argue the same. Don't try to actually observe what I wrote, just call me insane. These aren't even my ideas, they've been around forever. Modern science has been able to confirm a lot of it though. Realizing this doesn't change anything. The illusions don't just fade away, they're part of our very being.

>>688294370
> misperceptions
You can't measure something without affecting it, so yeah, you're right.
> everything happens for a reason
Then what is it?
The opening scene for simulation? The workings of multiple gods?
What makes you so sure that something as an interest in humans developing or our universe?

>>688291634
Ello anon. Do you have a kik? We would have a good time speaking. I am as much looking for you as you are looking for me. If, you are looking that is.

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This is the reason for the universe.
ALL HAIL THE GREAT CENTIPEDE.

>>688292983
Not him, but thanks. I actually had problems finding it. I searched bing and other porn search engines and that specific video isn't showing up.

>>688294847
Im not op.
The "reason" things happen are beyond me, as I dont intricately understand every single law that the universe holds.
But just as sodium and water create a chemical reaction that will always happen (within the confines of this universe) every law will always follow the same "rules" and can be calculated out. Everything that will happen in the future has already been written out, no matter how you try to change it. you are a reaction. Just as everything is.

>>688291634
> You do not see reality as it is because you are a byproduct of evolution.

You literally skipped every biology class in elementary school, didn't you?
The rest of the OP is just a big deepity and pseudo-scientific nonsense.

You're a retard and this is a fact.

>>688294847

Science and mathematics are tools we can use to help bring us to the real answers. We've proven this to ourselves. We can't know for sure though but we're on a path to something.

What is the reason for things happening? Laws. We have four of them at the current moment. Electromagnetism, gravity, and weak and strong nuclear forces. What's behind that though. Why do these laws exist?

>>688295572

Elaborate. That isn't a controversial concept in the slightest.

>>688294856

I'm about to go to work, but what would you like to talk about?

>>688295806
There is plenty we could talk about. On the same "wavelength" as you could say. If you do not have one, thats fine.

>>688295468

>every law will always follow the same "rules" and can be calculated out. Everything that will happen in the future has already been written out.

You got it, anon.

>>688291634
And?

I mean surely there's something more to this than just "To be continued?".

None of this fucking matters if the day-to-day lifes don't change, or if the realization does not somehow change our world or create new technology.

>>688291634
>Atheists
you don't capitalize it you autist

>>688295937

I don't have one, but can we talk here?

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>>688295806
As I said. Same wavelength.
Isnt it interesting how the ideas just dont "click" with some people?

>>688296090

It got your dumbass in here, didn't it? This whole post is designed by trial and error. Even the picture of the girl. Nobody would respond otherwise.

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>>688296145
until you go to work then.

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>>688295468
Maybe I lost track somewhere but wasn't the core of this argument, that the realization, that stuff just happens according to laws and not someone's direct intervention, what lead op to believe there is either multiple gods or we're inside a simulation?

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>>688296275
dammit you're right

>>688296229

It really is. Why do you think that is?

>>688291634
sauce?

>>688296479
Im not quite sure. I think it must have something to do with abnormal brain structure. Although our "structure" as i would say would make an interesting world. The normal population cant understand or really cope with some or the concepts. did you come to these conclusions naturally or did you get your insight from reading?

>>688291634
We all are a simulation of a machine
Praise the Almighty RNGESUS Dictator of all provabilities and Random Events in the Universe
the RNG is Everywhere it affects you, it affects me, it affects all
May the RNG be with you anon who is reading this

>>688296644
this

>>688296332

I really don't claim to know the answer. It was bait. However the idea that everything is interconnected is something that is striking to me. Perhaps the universe is a leaving breathing entity itself or perhaps it was designed as a simulation. The fact that everything is already mapped out is fascinating. Nasa can send out something by calculating gravity which is a constant. The idea that we're in a simulation could be inferred by our own technology today. Think of how fast computers games have advanced... What if we made a game with a theorized quantum computer?

>>688296229
>they just don't get us

Super special snowflake here

>>688295711
First of all, there's no correlation with seeing reality and evolution.

Second, there's no "byproducts" of evolution. The phrase is completely meaningless.

Third, we are who we are not because of evolution. Evolution is just a biological process/tool that (usually) selects the genes that are most present in both parents. Which means that we are who we are because of out enviroment and the procreational choices of our ancestors.
After all, when you make a wooden table, you don't say it is what it is because of the byproduct of your hammer, do you?

>>688296865
I do not praise any being or machine any more than any other.

>>688291634
sauce?

>>688291634
so you figured out determinism? ok. good for you.

>>688297036
Yes yes special snowflake status and all that. But until you can understand these concepts, I refer to you as part of the normal population. I usually include my "not trying to sound special snowflake" text in there but I didnt this time.

>>688296817

I would say we're the abnormal ones. It was a combination of isolation, college studies, TED talks, books, drugs, and observation of nature. What about you? Where do you stand in all of this?

>>688291634
sauce please

>>688296998
It's a fun thought, although I wonder why anyone would bother simulating an entire universe just for us. Seems to me we're at best the byproduct of another simulation.

I recently had a similar story idea, where humanity evolves and reaches the fringes of our universe, only to realize that we're a simulation. Basically the events leading up to the singularity from the viewpoint of the program.
Meanwhile the civilization simulating us, is on a lower technological level than we are, but managed to start a simulation of a universe, ours.
> inb4 wrong terminology

/b/ sure is tripping me out tonight

>>688297076

>First of all, there's no correlation with seeing reality and evolution

Ok, just to go easy here. infrared light. We don't see it. We didn't have a need to. We know it's there. If you want more explanation just ask.

>Second, there's no "byproducts" of evolution. The phrase is completely meaningless

We can consider ourselves to be the byproduct in this specific time.

>Third, we are who we are not because of evolution. Evolution is just a biological process/tool that (usually) selects the genes that are most present in both parents. Which means that we are who we are because of out enviroment and the procreational choices of our ancestors.
After all, when you make a wooden table, you don't say it is what it is because of the byproduct of your hammer, do you?

I'm not really understanding what you're trying to say here.

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>>688291634
You trying tell me I have zero free will?

>>688297562

Considering the scale of the universe, this is not here for us.

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>>688292197

>Trap socks

Yea no that ruined it for me

>>688297855

You're seeing the light, anon!!

>>688298070
Seems wasteful if it were, then again it might not be here for anyone.

>>688297434
I can say the isolation stimulated mine.
Dealing with horrible things at a young age sent me spiraling into a permanent existential crisis which eventually led to many of the ideas I hold today. Drugs led me into my FINAL observation upon the creation of existance.
I do not know if we are in a simulation or not, as I cant be sure.
But I do see it as a possibility, a neverending one in which a universe creates a simulation inside a simulation and on forever.
But I generally dont stick to that idea. I can tell you all about the creation and how that went down, existance and the sort, but how WE got here and the rules that this universe abides by.. I cannot help with.

>>688298054

My OP was, but there is a VERY good chance that we don't.

>>688291634
Very true. Any atheist would agree with you

>>688298054
Not op, but yes. That is what im saying. Anything otherwise is an illusion.
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>>688298265
There is no "waste" in a meaningless universe. With no purpose, there can be no "waste" of anything. It simply is. It simply exists.
>>688298276
This is me op. Still here chilling before you work.

>>688295356
>Not him

are you blind

>>688298296
Ridiculous I can't accept it explain it to me

>>688298474
Totally forgot about the beginning where you said we were in a simulation. Thats just crazy and not implied in any way by what follows

>>688298587
> waste
That's what I'm saying, for the universe to be a simulation of us, there is too much stuff irrelevant to us.
Why would someone simulate far more than they need, hence why I don't think were living in a simulation.
The universe just happened/happens

>>688298276

I'm going back and forth and about to get going. Here's an email you can use to reach me. I'd like to talk more. Any of you fuckers wanna spam go ahead, it's a throw away.

[email protected]

>>688298640
I shall try. But if you dont understand, you dont understand. As ive mentioned earlier, with some people it doesnt "click".
we live in a logical universe run by reactions. Something has to happen for something else to.
for a house to exist a builder must build it.
When water and sodium combine, a chemical reaction takes place.
Laws are in place that cant be changed.
Light hits the photoreceptors which gets eventually sent to the brain making the brain "see" something. Thats a reaction.
All your "conciousness" is, is many MANY reactions going on at the same time. And as I said, this universe follows laws. Things will always react the same. YOU are nothing more than reactions.

>>688291634
Why did you add Buddhism into this. How fucking dumb are you kid?

I remember being 14.

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It looks as if op is leaving the thread, so I shall take over. Anyone interested in learning? I have knoweledge to give for those who are ready.

>>688298816

Imagine the universe as a computer simulation itself. We are just the characters living within it and respond to the ways in which it was created.

>>688299578
Do I or anyone have free will?

>>688299578
This anon here.
>>688299617
I dont actually see our universe as a computer simulation, or I dont picture it in my head as one. Sure theres a chance that it is, but theres no reason to add it into the equation. I only work with things I can observe and that follow logic.

>>688299695
As far as I can tell, no. Its an illusion. refer to my explanation up here. Feel free to ask if you need clarification on any parts.
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>>688291634
Sauce on the fucking picture, OP

>>688300171
YOU are a beautiful man. Ive never seen this. I love when 4chan thinks I have a gold pass and lets me off with no captcha.

>>688299936
If there is truly no free will than why bother worrying about things? Why bother doing anything at all? Shouldn't everything just happen without me trying or not trying? I call bullshit. There is free will because I can choose A or B.

>>688300399
Your choice of A or B has been decided already. What WILL happen is set in stone. Your "choice" is an illusion.
See anon, I dont worry about things. As much as this human form allows anyway. the best reason I can give you for why I do things is "because".
Everything will keep happening without you trying. Go ahead and die, your atoms will form something new. Without you ever having a choice in it. The stars do not care if you burn. They just exist, burning a beautiful reaction through and through.

>>688300399
Im sorry anon. But I dont think its going to make sense to you. I wish you happiness.

>>688301084
Don't be sorry explain it. If no free will how can I choose? You trying to tell me the people who rape and kill people have no choice in the matter. Please explain.

>>688291634
Au contraire OP, it's time to take a much, much closer look at Buddhism again, "you" will be surprised to learn that the ancients have largely covered these bases already

>>688301823
Do Buddhist believe in free will ?

>>688301823
Op is dead and first post was b8 to get you inside.
>>688301652
I have explained it anon. You simply dont understand.
The future is written in stone. What WILL happen in the future is 100% already going to happen. Lets say youre going to go through door b, and I tell you that you have no free will. So you take door a to smite me. In reality you "changing your mind" and going through door a was already set in stone. It was going to happen as soon as I said those words. Your "choice" was an illusion.
It just doesnt.. click with some people anon. I really am sorry.

>>688302481
I'm the boss

You can basically say there is no free will because the chemicals in our brain are made of molecules are made of atoms and so fourth, that after all obey the laws of physics.
Also, our perception is bound to us as an individual.
(Is my green the same green as yours?)
Maybe all I perceive is a simulation?
What about multiple universes?

Sorry for this clusterfuck post.

>>688294068
Indeed, classy. Sounds like that community could use some h:fy.

>>688302992
Are you asking about multiple universes anon or?

>It does not favor reality, it favors survival.
Evolution doesnt favor anything, it's not an intelligent operator, it's merely a process.
And lets say we accept what you're trying to convey, how would not favoring reality improve survival?
Wouldnt perceiving, knowing and understanding that a real tiger is really in front of you (i.e. reality) be the most favorable?
It's a complex question. How the brain perceives 'reality' and how close it is to 'real reality' (if you even accept such questions) is still up for debate.

>consciousness
>there is no real “you”
Qualia my friend. Please do explain :)

>illusion of being a free willed individual
Even if what you're saying is true. For all intents and purposes (since we dont have a God computer) we do not know what we will choose until we have chosen it.
Therefore the problem of free will is still a problem.
Determinism doesnt really provide any answers.

You need to read more philosophy OP.

>>688303021
I dont laugh at those who dont understand. I just wish that they did.

>>688303085
Read the thread anon. A mere couple of posts of reading could've saved you from typing that

>>688294847
>You can't measure something without affecting it
Everything is quantumdynamics now amiright? Or perhaps you mean everything is affected, and you can't measure the length of a table without making it feel insecure?

>>688303227
I've read the thread and I'm the first person to mention qualia.
Literally below 101 in here. Enjoy the thread though.

>>688303358
>literally
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How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real??????

>>688295585
>What is the reason for things happening? Laws
Nope. Thesr are scientific models used to describe what is happening, they are not "laws" nor are they reasons for things happening.

>Why do these laws exist?
Cause physics. Also, this question is simply asking why things are. Depending on your perspective the question is not well posed, or you need to become a mystic since the question has no answer within the system itself.

How can mirror be real if our eyes aren't real????

How can we see mirrors???? I mean, really

>>688291634
Yeah, I know. Nbd though. It changes my 'life' not at all

>>688296865
i have #1 rng on runescape :)

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>>688303530
So true

>>688295468
So what is "random"? Do we really have "random"?

>>688303156

Too late to disassemble now. Aliens have revealed their true nature on /b/ and now humanity will come for you and laugh at you for eternity.

>>688303986
No, it's mainly bananas and cancer tbh

>>688291634
>You are constructing your own reality through your brain. You do not see reality as it is because you are a byproduct of evolution. It does not favor reality, it favors survival.

False. I am not that creative.

>The consciousness you experience is a collaboration of processes that were guided into existence by laws of the universe. Electromagnetism, gravity, and the strength in nuclear forces are some of the laws humanity has been able to identify.
....

>The universe is as much of you as you are it; you are merely processes of atoms tethered to the laws of the universe and mirroring what you perceive in a subtle way.
Double ....

>You are constructing your own reality
>This has been observed with people

4/10. Would take bait again but needs more work.

>>688291634
Another fact is:

>the only absolute thing you can prove exists is what you are currently perceiving in a moment.

You have no proof yesterday existed (your memories could have come into existence just now), you have no proof your computer exists, you have no proof anything outside of your perceptions exist.
However, there are truths that we cannot prove. That doesn't mean they aren't true.