Less u.s , its for the best.

1 tiney island doesnt means shit the usa when they have 12 super carriers.... fuck yo islands were america well build our own floating ones and make ur shit country pay for it via war.

>>688143425
Fucking dumbass.

First you say whats there to dispute, and then you say that they're artificially creating islands in the middle of fuck all nowhere so that they can make it more difficult for everyone else to move goods through the area. WHATS THERE; TO DISPUTE, RIGHT?

>>688143978
I hope your grammar doesn't plan on being a weapon of yours.

>south CHINA sea

someone has a problem with china claiming sovereignty in a place called the china sea?

its not any part of the USA for fucks sake you imperialistic cuntholes.

>>688144305
How am I a dumbass? You never answered the question.

Moving through territorial waters can and will make people upset. If the US gets upset about Russian unarmed Russian warplanes making passes at its Navy, why isn't China allowed to also be upset when the US ignores boundaries and trespasses?

Why don't we recognize it, and move on? I feel like this biggest dick contest will only end badly.
Just like when niggers argue over their dick sizes and other stupid shit and shoot eachother for it.

>>688144401
With that logic they could claim sovereignty over Vietnam, Philippines, Cambodia and other smaller countries. You're a real idiot if you think thats a good reason for anything.

>>688143425
Taking the UK removing it as a possible staging area would've probably meant the US would never have joined, still possible the Soviets would've re-organised in time

Or

Not starting a second front against the Soviets, more than half of the German army and almost all of their elite units and heavy armour was destroyed fighting the Soviets, if it was sitting waiting on the Western front the allies may have failed on D-Day. + The Africa campaign would've actually had support. Without the Soviet front Germany would've been first to creating a Nuclear bomb.

- Still doesn't mean they would've won but the war could've ended in some kind of peace treaty.

>>688144943
Wrong thread >.>

>>688144627
You're a huge dumbass. Free trade is the basis for world economy. China is clearly trying to make it more difficult for everyone else to trade freely. That you dont realize that this is a problem FOR THE WHOLE WORLD (that you're so US-centric is pathetic and ignorant.) is what is making you a dumbass.

China is artificially creating islands in the middle of very high trafficked trade routes so that they can wage an economic war against its neighbours. I'm pretty sure you started this topic as a shill for China. Even if not, you're a useful idiot for an autoritarian communist regime. Speaks tons of your mental faculties.

>>688144653
except they arent. they built an island. big fucking deal?

perhaps they should just occupy a chunk of someone elses island in the Caribbean or something?

>>688144653
Stop with the god damned insults and just answer people. You're not contributing anything.

If lots of people claim something, the first person to actually do something with it should be awarded the claim.

For instance, 3 people claim a newly discovered uninhabited landmass. China actually does something with it. It belongs to them.

>>688145084
China didnt discover anything. They built artificial islands in the middle of a trade route that carries millions of tons of goods every month so that they can put pressure on their neighbours, like the bully in school.

How much are you being paid for spreading communist subhuman propaganda on English speaking websites? 5 yuan per comment? 10 yuan per reply?

>>688144984
Did you not...read OP? It clearly says he recognizes the economic impact by mentioning how this would cripple im/exports.

If you walk in the woods that belong to everyone, you are free to walk there.
However, if someone builds a house there, it becomes their property the area immediately around it, and if they put a No Trespassing, you obey it or you are defying the law.

I understand this isn't the exact same scenario, but the point is there.

>>688145420
>put pressure on their neighbours

how exactly are they "putting pressure on"?

>>688145503
Thats what is making you a complete dumbass. You recognize thats going to cripple the world economy and is in every single way a complete asshole move, but you're still okay with it, because they put a no trespassing sign in the heap of sand they built.

Genius.

>>688143425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hojlP5Kns8

>>688145420
Holy fuck dude you are just looking for a fight. That post was a fucking hypothetical situation. No one here thinks China just stumbled upon some newly discovered island and claimed it.

You're looking for any reason to argue with someone.

ffs. can one of the looneys who thinks this is baaad tell me why? like actually why?

china isnt going to run a fleet of state sanctioned pirates out of this new lagoon.

har haaar me harteys. fucking idiots

>>688145655
And your hypothetical isnt applicable. Has zero bearing on this argument.

>>688145629
If the US claims waters or a territory, we expect other countries to honor it. Such as when the Russians send warplanes within 12 miles of our coast line, we happily scramble jets and escort them away.

Why the fuck do we have different expectations of other countries when we do the imposing?

>>688145791
"Looneys.." Try reading the thread, and then do it again, just to make sure you got everything, and then come back.

>>688145799
So you came in here blowing hot steam for nothing?

>>688145888
answer the question. i have read the thread and seen a bunch of fuck all.

what is the actual problem here?

'pressure' ?

>>688145842
So naive and blind.. So if a country suddenly claims "I now own Mexico!" despite this country being quite far away, we should honor that because the US has done some imposing too and we have to accept when other coutnries do it....

Why is Chinas opinion on this worth more to you than say, Philippines, who is the closest to the islands?

>>688146096
because the Philippines didnt build / claim them, and are welcome to any others that pop up if they get there first?

>>688145969

>fuck all

Brit or Aussie detected.
Go back to being an American lapdog my friend. Leave big boy decisions to your betters.

>>688146096
then why US opinion is worth more in any case?

don't tell me that you believe US loves to act as world police for humanity's benefit.

>>688146302
>avoidance noted
so you have no real reason why its a bad thing?

faggot

>>688145901
I'm not the one who has trouble replying to the content rather than ad hominems. Sure, the insults are there, but so is the content. You however just put up a retarded hypothetical and thought that was it, no further discussion needed

>>688145969
Retard. You need school. How old are you, really? That putting a military base in the middle of a highly trafficked trade lane with the expressed purpose of disrupting free and honest trade is going to have serious economic repercussions on its neighbours and China is here the big bully.

Fuck China in every way, bunch of chink ass shills in there.

>>688146096
Your logic makes me think you're in middle school.

Saying "I own mexico" doesn't make it true.

If I invade mexico, build a base and have the ability to defend it, then I conquered mexico and it is now mine, because I invaded, established my base and government.

>>688146196
So you wouldnt have a problem if a foreign and hostile country FUCKING BUILT AN ISLAND right on your doorstep?

>>688146435
The argument i replied to only necessitated A CLAIM. Fucking read what I'm writing because you're literally too stupid to be online. Go to bed, it must be late in China.

>>688146435
That doesn't mean the rest of the world is going to just accept it.

>>688146471
Same thing as US.

>>688146393
>That putting a military base in the middle of a highly trafficked trade lane with the expressed purpose of disrupting free and honest trade is going to have serious economic repercussions on its neighbours and China is here the big bully.

seriously?

like the usa putting a millitary base in the middle of the pacific then claiming the island because?

if anything the base will make the trade route safer from rampant piracy in the area.

and, again, how will this 'express purpose of disrupting free and honest trade' actually work?

piracy?

you need your head read.

>>688146638
Exactly. He's literally too stupid to realize that other countries arent just going to accept it because of the very impacts that the island have and will have in the future on trade.

>>688146471
how are china hostile?

red under your bed again?

paranoia is no platform for world diplomacy.

how INTERNATIONAL law works, is you CANNOT claim seas or oceans UNLESS you COMPLETELY ENCOMPASS THEM...

Even the north american great lakes don't belong to the US or canada. the US, mexico, and south american countries don't try to claim the carribean. even russia doesn't try to claim oceans.

Red China is just selfish assholes trying to claim territory by creating islands to expand their territorial waters into international waters and trade lanes. It's meant to hurt the economies of neighboring nations like Taiwan(The Republic of China - a long-independant nation Red China refuses to acknowledge), vietnam, japan, south korea, Laos, Phillipines, and everyone else that uses those trade lanes.

>>688146794
what impacts? be specific.

high speed pirate boat raids on exports of heated towel rails?

>>688146761
10000% a shill for the Chinese government. The shitty spelling, the poor grammar, the unequivocally chinese stand. Fucking shill. Buy a rope and hang yourself dude, you have a pathetic life and I pity your mother who gave birth to someone like you. Such a disappointment I'm sure.

If you have a bunch of warships and coastal artillery on an island in the middle of a trade route and tell people that if they dont pay a fee to pass, then you're expressly threatening them with your weapons. Imagine the insurance premiums alone after such a statement from China.

>>688146761
because now red china decides who can use these trade lanes and shoots everyone else because "IS MY OCEAN! MINE!" like the fucking 4yos they are

>>688147047
again faggot... what are you expecting will actually happen from this island?

are you just scared that someone other than the USA can set up millitary bases on other peoples front doors?

>>688147172
Not even the USA should be allowed to do that

>>688147148
that isnt going to happen, you know this.

even in your conspiracy muddled / drug affected brain.

>>688147172
You're too dumb to talk with. I'm 101% sure that my shoesize is higher than your IQ.

>>688146638
>>688146794

Im dumb because I don't realize that no one else will give a fuck? I don't understand how I'm unintelligent simply because I don't get why people can't and won't respect borders.

The US will just continue to be the snub-nosed bully/police because it knows it can? I get that aspect, I do, but I don't understand why we are like that, other than it cripples trade. I feel like thats just the luck of the draw.

If North Korea somehow can invade the UK, and the only people left in the UK are Korean speaking people with Korean technology, weapons, citizens, and government, will the US still simply consider the UK to still be the UK and continue to fly over its airspace and sail in it's waters?

>>688147241
specifically the USA shouldnt be allowed to do that.

there has never been a bigger war mongering, chest beating and intimidating nation on the planet.

>>688147313
what are you scared of?

stop dodging the question and come good with the actual threat here, or you join the paranoid trolls.

>>688147043
OP here...the impact is that if China is allowed to have it's claim of the waters, the trade ships and military exercises in the area will have to cease, because China owns the area and can refute people being in it's waters.

The US holds joint military training exercises in the area and trade ships do go through there.

The US are a bunch of cucks.

>>688145888

I bet you work at the dmv

>>688147245
we are talking about a nation that demanded an apoligie after one of it's pilots decided to goof off and crashed into one of the USA's planes... The chinese pilot clearly at fault for not flying his plane so he could write social media account name on a paper to attempt to trade with the american pilots. If it's stupid to do in a car, it's stupid to do in a jet fighter going 150 miles an hour 10 miles in the air less than 50 feet from ANOTHER jet fighter.

but no, the US needs to apoligize because "CHINA ALWAYS RIGHT. YOU WRONG. YOU APOLIGIZE!" like the fucking 4yos they are

>>688143425
>Clearly, China aims to
Not really all that clear.
>>688146393
>with the expressed purpose of
Proof?
>>688147148
>"IS MY OCEAN! MINE!"
Disrupting trade would hurt China more than the US.
>>688147241
Agreed

>>688147317


So you're American? Jesus. Fucking. Christ. What I dont get is where the self-loathing comes from, you leftist little prick.

I'm not even American, and I dont know if I should laugh or cry because you've clearly been educated so poorly despite living in a first world country. Its either that, or you've just been too retarded to assimilate the knowledge on offer.

China is CREATING borders right outside its neighbours to put political and military pressure on peaceful nations. I dont see what makes anyone think that this is a good thing, and that the rest of the world should be okay with it. Honestly, I dont. In no way or form is this acceptable according to international law and regulations aswell as plain fucking common courtesy. YOU DONT DO THAT, PERIOD.

If Germany can somehow invade Poland, and the only people left in Poland are German speaking people with German technology culture and government, should Polands allies just abandon all previous agreements with Poland then, because Germans are in charge now?

>>688147496
>the trade ships and military exercises in the area will have to cease, because China owns the area and can refute people being in it's waters.

no

the millitary exercises might have to move from the extents of the direct claim (virtual circle, 100 nm?), but there is no reason that trade ships have any worries. they should feel more protected.


lots of unfounded paranoia in here.

>>688147840
we tried that. germany just decided to do a repeat performance in the netherlands.

>>688147827
Why the fuck else would you perform such an engineering project to create artificial islands THAT JUST SO HAPPENS TO BE IN THE HEAVIEST TRAFFICKED ROUTE IN THE AREA if not to do just fucking that?

>>688147840
>China is CREATING borders right outside its neighbours to put political and military pressure on peaceful nations

you keep parroting this, like it will gain momentum as a concept... but spectacularly fail to back it up.

how exactly?

>>688148032
In this case, Polands allies DID NOT abandon their promises, and housed a government in exile during the war. Case in point.

>>688148099
China is dependent on trade. Why wouldn't the Chinese government move to make trade routes more secure?

>>688147840
That means the Pols got fucked and could be a part of Germany. That's war. That's conquer. That's how shit has always happened.

I feel like every nation has the right to do what it needs to defend it's borders.

Plus, the US has been doing this for years now. We are't actuay taking over a country, but we are extending our borders by invading other countries and trying to put our own puppets as the head of government.
Look at the Syrian conflict. The US wanted to support the Rebels and hope to put in place a government they could effectively control like a puppet.
Thats why we have bases in so many countries and get involved with other people's problems. To me that is extending your border.

>>688148288
precisely... and this is an area with rampant fucking piracy.

And why not give the English Channel to England then
those Chinks and their "traditional" fishing waters can go fuck themselves

>>688148168
The man-made island is how it's extending its border...thats been established

>>688148288
because oil and gas nigger
untapped natural resources worth billions of $

>>688148435
right?

problem is what?

>>688148168
Besides the fact that I've actually already said in plain text how.

"If you have a bunch of warships and coastal artillery on an island in the middle of a trade route and tell people that if they dont pay a fee to pass, then you're expressly threatening them with your weapons. Imagine the insurance premiums alone after such a statement from China.">>688147047

Everyone with half a brain can realize the economic impacts of this. Its a non-issue. IT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT. That you're just asking how proves to show that you're either a) significantly mentally handicapped or b) a shill for the Chinese gov that gets paid to spout mindless progapaganda on websites like this.

>>688148534
you cant charge a fee to pass

>>688148532
That's what ive been trying to ask but all people do is call you an insult for asking.

The problem is why doesn't the US recognize the border. Thats what this thread is about.

this looks like youtube. all retad comments with the absolute truth. what the fuck

>>688148529
Even if it's true...
>untapped natural resources
>South China Sea
Oh? Who should those resources belong to then?

>>688148233
oh, I did not realize gov't in exile counted, since they still tried to play peace for while instead of all immediately invading germany and ending the whole thing right there.

"its your fault for not stopping us" says the american descended from nazis

USA has shit schools and everything else has went to shit. It doesn't surprise me the military is going to shit.

>>688148672
>why doesn't the US recognize the border

because only the US is allowed to claim islands and build military bases halfway across the ocean.

>>688148435
you need to be able to live on it but nobody sanctioned what China's doing right now
the problem is that Murica didn't sign the UN convention on the Law of the Sea so they can't argue China has violated a treaty they haven't ratified

>>688143425
just easier to nuke, no civilian casualties
Whats the big deal here?

>>688148747
that's the point
Vietnam, the Philipines, Taiwan, Brunei...
everybody wants some
but the biggest fish in the pond wants everything for itself
if Murica wants to find new strategic partners outside of the Middle East they better help the little ones have their share

>>688143425
LOL oh you poor westerners. This is but the beginning of the next century where China and russia will be the dominant nations and you will learn a new place as second tier. As the british empire fell, so too will the wests hold on the global politics. China will have its lsland and its no fly zone.

>>688149001
>start a war over a shit island
you really think Trump's gonna be elected nigger?

>>688149001
you cant get your fat ass out of the bed. but you think bombing an island in the middle of the sea is easy?

>>688149148
China has had since the dawn of time to rise up and take their rightful position.

They've always played second fiddle.

Somethings never change.

>>688149148
you fucking chinks can't dominate your region and you want to dominate the world?
even if you were two billions you wouldn't achieve shit

>>688149322
name something cool the USA has done in the last 30 years. they are going backwards at a rate.

china is exploding and will own your ass soon enough.

>>688144627
your argument sounded ok until you said that bit about niggers being stupid for shooting each other.

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>>688143425

>muh territory

>>688149539
I didn't say the balance was going to stay the same.

I did say however China will never rise up above their current position.

What's something cool China's done in the last 30.

Moon probe? Stole some jet designs? Sold out for capitalism?

Built a dinky sand island?

Not looking so mighty there.

>>688149850
stolen nearly the entire US manufacturing industry... and making a profit off it that should make america weep.

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>>688144401
7 trillion dollars of trade passes through that area. You like your cheap TV at walmart or your PS4 game console for under a grand? STFU you isolationist haflwit

>>688150053
congratulations captain obvious.

and this outpost is going to affect this how?

a logical, sane person would assume it would make your television arrive more safely given the rampant piracy in the area.

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>>688149493
We have achieved nationalist identiy. People are loyal to the party or they are arrested. We have no niggers or mexicans. Our politics are unified. You cannot even begin to challenge us

U.S has alot of islands in the pacific and near philliphenes, no biggy the island is only to piss of the japs.regardless U.S still has a dominant trade route

China has no soft power
there is nothing appealing about the language, the food, the culture
everything you build is either licensed or stolen from us
Chinese tourists are worst than Muricans, you can't speak proper English, are taking useless pics of shit all the time and are the dirtiest motherfuckers around
you will never dominate the world because everybody hates you

>>688150201
If you knew anything about government or chinks you'd know they will charge a tax to move goods through waters they are claiming as their own.

>>688150053
>7 trillion dollars of trade passes through that area
Mostly from China.
>cheap TV
>PS4 game console
Again, from China.

But do go on about how China will disrupt its own trade.

>>688150282
how are your Mudslims?
I heard the Uyghurs were a nice bunch of fellows

>>688150410
except they arent allowed to. only if a ship docks are you allowed to charge a fee.

china needs to protect its trade routes, not hinder them.

>>688150018
Yeah. It's a long sell. Your only buying into the debt machine.

Expending your natural resources for a cheap buck, polluting your once pristine land with smog and heavy metals.

To do what? Build hundreds of ghost cities?

And when the buck crashes and no one wants that cheap knockoff shit... Oh wait...

actually dont give a shit

>>688150390
>the food
Implying there aren't Chinese food joints all over the US.
>the culture
Implying China hasn't been a tourist hotspot for centuries.

>>688150767
....it all moves to india or brazil or the next source of cheap labour.

but at least china has urbanised itself with glitzy cities and fantastic infrastructure.

the USA had its shot at the cycle in the 50s, and everything is run down and needs replacing. good luck with that.

>>688150848
Thailand is a tourist hotspot
but do you know Thai culture?
you think Mexican culture is well known because Cancun and shit?
China isn't appealing at all

>>688143978
I think you're mising the point, that island started out as the bottom left corner of it only, they built the rest. There is a picture of progressive work being done on these islands, not just one tiny one, there are a lot of them. All with buildings and other random shit on them. They are preparing for something.

US diplomacy is beyond retarded. They were the laughingstock of the world after the constitution was ratified and they had to learn how to do world politics just like they had to learn how to do everything else. They have never been good at anything and they did jack shit in WW1 and WW2.

>>688150496
Not their own trade idiot, the trade from other countries. They'll let whomever they like pass, and everyone else cant. Thats a big problem if you need to be on a commust authoritarians good side to be allowed to trade.

>>688151098
thailand is a pedophile / prostitute / cheap beer for rednecks hotspot

>>688151149
Also they lost Vietnam and Desert Storm was a failure..

>>688150986
Ethiopia, Kenya and other African countries are already producing goods for the Chinese domestic market
Africa is becoming the workshop of the developing world

>>688151178
>They'll let whomever they like pass, and everyone else cant.

oh for fucks sake. how?

strike boats?

state sanctioned shots across the bow?

you deluded and paranoid idiot

>>688151178
Doesn't hurt trade with my country, so why should I give a shit?

>>688150986
Which... After China burns through its billions of people in lower classes, is the exact thing that is going to them.

America.... Got influx of cash, built a ton of glitz and shit, moved shit offshore when no one wanted the shit jobs anymore, now stuff is old and falling apart.

China.... Has gotten an influx of cash and is currently building a lot of glitz.... Which ... Is going to fall apart, once you start exporting the shit jobs over seas. Half those ghost cities are rotting already!

Seems kinda cyclic.

>>688146840
Shit, I'll go back to the 60s then.

>>688151227
Desert Storm was not a failure because Bush achieved exactly what he wanted
the Neocons from both sides pushed it way too far after that

>>688143425
>gulf of mexico

>>688151413
See the real stupid thing about this giant immobile aircraft carrier is that its immobile.

Really easy to hit a target in the middle of the ocean with nothing in its radius to worry about collateral damage.

About 5 jdams should clean that little mess up nicely.

>>688151718
I'm just going to leave this here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Drum_%28El_Fraile_Island%29