The best big bang was 129,000 hours ago.

>>686680552
The fuck you talking about

>Please educate yourself on the actual theory before making assumptions, that's not what the exact theory is

Bad B8 never got 8

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>>686680315
It's a fucking theory, dipshit. People are still researching it, nobody said that's exactly what happened.

>>686680723
Figure it out.

>>686680315
>nothing

See, you've fallen at the first hurdle.

Do a little reading then come try this thread for what, the 9th time today?

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>>686680315
how can you say that when most religions believe in all powerful super beings that made the world in like 7 days

>>686680315
Do you honestly believe in the "God"? There was absolutely nothing and then all the matter and energy in the entire universe came out of God's will in 7 days?

kek! Think about it anon, it's so ridiculous.

>>686680315
there wasnt nothing.
>>686681249
this

google is your friend

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>>686680552
kek

niggers

You stupid christian this is why religion is on a downturn. You don't understand the simple physics underlying the concept of the big bang.

Here's the situation: a few hydrogen atoms were in existence before hand and they altered the space time continuum with their ultra high temperature in order to induce an explosion with such energy that the expanding space led to the creation of all the various heavy elements. The reason we can't get past ~130 on the periodic table is because of this simple fact. There is no such thing as nothing, actually it was a something, just really condensed. Get this through your thick skull: a balloon that has all the air pushed into a space the size of an electron and then burst like your stupid god when charles dawkins invented the god delusion. Kindly off yourself you cusk-faced loser.

>>686681742
?

>>686681100
There's physical evidence supporting it

>>686682015
charles dawkins?

>>686682015
> Here's the situation: a few hydrogen atoms were in existence before hand and they altered the space time continuum ...

Wut?

>>686680315
So the main point behind your argument is that something as large or grand as a planet had to be created from something. Okay so lets say that there is a god and that he/she/it created earth then what created this god? Because it can't have come from nothing right?

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checkt

>>686680315
WHERES THE CRYING BITCH??

>>686682665
burn

>>686680315
read this first stupid fag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_of_cosmic_microwave_background_radiation

>>686682015
And howv did those hydrogen atoms came to exist ?

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>>686682015
>tries to explain origin of universe, i.e., everything that exists
>claims hydrogen atoms existed before the origin of the universe, meaning you're implying that the universe existed before it came into existence

good grief, why are you so retarded?
are all atheists this allergic to basic logic?

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BRING THE POPCORN

before the big bang there was nothing. literally. nothing. for fucking forever. like an infinite amount of time, so infinite that time itself didnt even exist yet. and infinity means everything can happen sometime. so then the big bang happened.

>>686680315
>mfw the big bang theory was literally proposed by a priest

>>686680552
14 year old faggot

b&

>>686680315
I'm sure your imaginary friend created it OP :)

>>686682931
see anon if you read this post first, its not about nothing, the big bang did definatly happen, but noone will tell you if diffrent tiers of existance, god or anything else did exist before

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>>686680315
better than some sky being doing the same thing.
think about it
wait, the sky being started from chaos, that means the universe already existed in it's primeval state.
so hey, it turns out that your sky being may have been created from the big bang.
>pic related

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>>686680315

Scientists have already admitted that the Big Bang was created by a 'God-like being', aka God.

I put my faith in science and the Bible, two things that support eachother.

>>686680315
Is it so hard to contemplate that maybe time never began and that the universe or some form of it has and always will exist?

>>686680315
>There was absolutely nothing and then in a few trillionths of a second

Who says there was absolutely nothing?

>>686682015
I think he is taking issue with the fact that there has to be a point where nothing becomes something if you keep dissecting.

>>686680315
it's just a hypothetical 'event' made up by science bitches who can't admit to just not knowing something.

er, derr weel yu see, ther waz nufinf, an den one day there waz everfig. no not majik, just smart science. yu wudn understan.

fucking intellectuals have to always feel like they have a better idea of every fucking mystery than every other person.

>>686684222
>I put my faith in science and the Bible, two things that support eachother

That can't be right. The Bible contradicts itself in dozens of verses.

>>686684545
so does science, that's why it works

If it is not possible for something to come from nothing (as you say), then tell me....Where did God come from?

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>>686684440
this guy gets it

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>>686684440
AAARRRGGGHHHH FUCKING SMARTEE PEOPLES USING FACTOIDS INSTEAD OF LIFE MANUAL BIBLE AHHHHH SHUT UP GOD MADE IT LALALALALALALALA

>>686684700
this guy also gets it, and checked

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>>686680315
That's why literally nobody is a gnostic atheist OP.

>>686684992
kek

>>686680315
Well OP I don't really have a reason to care as I am not a physics major, but the way I see it is either the universe was created from a fusion reaction, or a deity made the universe to act as if it was created by a fusion reaction.

>>686685357
Here's the problem, fusion of what?

>>686684440
Yeah its called a theory. They're pretty common in science

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>>686680315
Why does it fucking matter? We're already here, we might as well just make this shit hole better.

Its not as if there were nothing, its just a point when everything in the universe was contained in the smallest possible point possible.

All the forces of the universe, all the matter, all the energy, etc. It was all in this tiny little ball. Then that shit exploded because it was probably unstable as fuck

There's hypothesis that this is how the universe functions forever... exploding for trillions and trillions of years before contracting into a tiny tiny ball to explode again. Everything is cyclical

This also leads to people thinking that everything that's happening has happened before exactly the same way infinity times over and will continue infinity times more. Fantastic really.

I'mma go fap

>>686685442
Matter that was created from another fusion reaction.

>>686684107
/thread

>>686682015
That is some quality b8

>>686680315
Atheists don't necessarily believe the big bang but most certainly do. An atheist is just one who lacks a belief in God. They don't deem it necessary because there is nothing to tell them that they should. But anyways, on your note of:
>There was absolutely nothing and then in a few trillionths of a second, all the matter and energy in the entire universe suddenly came out of nowhere?
That shit would just be believable as an almighty power somehow just existing to intelligently create the universe. Where did that being come from? Do you see what I mean?

>>686685577
But fusion reactions destroy mass, not create.

>>686682015
topkek!

Here.

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>>686680315
>>686684107

>>686680315
Do you honestly believe in the "God"? There is an invisible sky magician and then in 7 days, all the matter and energy in the entire universe was suddenly created?

Topkek! Think about it anon, it's so ridiculous.

>>686684107
>nothing made this thing
>God is eternal, therefore he had no beginning or source of creation
Undereducated, edgy fedora detected

>>686685848
Like I said, not a physics major, but fusion is what I've always heard.

>>686680315
Atheism has nothing to do with the big bang. There is some (be it weak in my eyes) evidence for the big bang... whereas there is zero evidence to support any theistic religion, let alone an Abrahamic one.

You can be an atheist and not believe in the big bang theory... if anything a good atheist SHOULD be skeptical about the big bang theory.

>>686685777
Trips speaks the truth

>>686682015
And the atoms came from...?

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>>686680315
the source of the big bang is what you need to be looking for. If it did happen, then whatever made it happen is technically God.

>>686682015
THIS!

>>686684545
so first of all we can only guess what is most likely so do the math, something that is intelligent and is descibed as moralist creates only some kind of huge ball that is to expand milliards of years that somewhen we appear- that shit is definatly unlikely,i claim that god if he exists maybe only came to existance trough us and for us in our biospheric influence

Well, to be honest I don't know what I believe relating to this topic. We have limited knowledge that we can access so we can't really make up our minds, and I am not one of those people who rush to conclusions just because everyone else believes something. So to answer the question; we don't know and most probably will not know in our lifetime. (Which is quite depressing, but who really cares here?)

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>>686680315
yeah, Nothing..... right

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>>686686081
Oh, that must be where god comes in1 The god of ever diminishing evidence, meaning the more mysteries we solve with science the more gods existence recedes until we finally solve the unifying theory of everything. And then god will no longer exist.

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>>686680315
Seems to have been a bang.
Who said there was absolutely nothing?

Not an atheist, btw. Just sayin

>>686685969
So then why can't the universe be eternal?

Retarded theist detected.

>>686686296
But what about the butsex?

>>686684107
actually time doesn't exist without space.
so a being that simply "was" that creates the universe, ergo time, (remember timespace is obervable property of the universe see Einstein) also creates the concept of causal relativity. i.e. the concept of cause->effect hs no basis without a "something" to cause and a notion of time to overlay an ordering.

REFs - Lennox (mathematical professor and christian), About Time (Davies), Black Holes and Time Warps Einsteins outrageous legacy (Kip Thorne)

>>686680315
Some people need to belive this because the opposite is too confusing and involves some scary decisions.

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KEK

>>686686366
Lol dubz

God never exitsted. Proof in dubz.

>>686686504
Scary decisions like don't be gay because sky god hates fags?

>>686686601
Lol saved

>>686684440
The problem with this reasoning is that if you stop listening to the voice in your head telling you that and actually look for the scientists who dug into that topic, they will likely be willing to explain to you how. There are books describing it all, for you to read and verify or disprove or ignore like you do now. To be frank, I don't know the whole story behind the theory either, but I find the basic ideas being the scientific method compelling enough to believe even seemingly absurd things that come from it.

>>686686439
>assuming I'm a theist just because I made the effort to understand the religion before mindlessly talking inaccurate shit about it.
The concept of God is ultimately derived from the Platonic theory of Forms, where he exists in a transcendental, perfect state, and the entire universe is merely an imperfect representation of him, hence their inclination to change over time, or having a finite lifespan, where as he would not.
Our universe as of now has a theoretical beginning and end, with absolutely no proof of it being eternal, other than dipshits saying muh quantum without knowing what the fuck they are talking about.
Faggot.

>>686686694
meh. Proof in daughter lol

sure man,your sky dady made us.
grow up, theres no santa,no fairys and no fucking god.

>>686684620
>so does science, that's why it works


Science changes when it finds out it was wrong to become right again.

The Bible never changes so it remains wrong.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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there is no God when this exsists

>>686686911
yeah but, muh quantum!

>>686680315
I personally believe in multi universe with big bangs that happen all the time. The multiuniverse is really just one huge infinit mass and many portions have vastly different propeties which cause x universe to have x properties and y universe to have y properties.

I think they expand and collapse

>>686680315

dude it was the catholics who came up with the bigbang so no i dont believe in that shit its the same as the bible crap

>>686687102
actually in a calvanist sense "wrote the future" too. So wrote the movie, then gets pissed about how it turns out!

>>686687310
But what else faggot? Moslem shit?

If we are going to debate theology vs atheism then i have only one question for the religious faggots

Show me god

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>>686687481
kek

>>686687469

how about you life and die like a man and stop cry about hur dur muh eternity in heaven cuz i dont raped and killed everything i saw and only did it on hollydays

>>686687251
Yeah well muh dick.

>>686680315
No one, not nothing.

>>686686694
Na man, donate all your shit and off cringy self.

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>>686680315

God either:

A: Needs us for reasons, and therefore is not all powerful.

or

B: Doesn't need us, and watches us suffer because he wants to.

Either way, if this is the type of being you want to commit your life to, then so be it. But if he exists, then he is my mortal enemy.

>>686687554
Ya well hur dur muh dick buddy I fuck ur sister lol

>>686686366
crystal vision

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>>686687922
>he is my mortal enemy
>mortal enemy
>mortal

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>>686688121
Well I'm not fucking immortal, so after I die it's whatever I guess.

>>686687481
>implying you can know God when our physical senses are prone to numerous errors and could even be an exceedingly crude window into objective reality, if not entirely wrong
See: Decartes Evil Genius
Rationally speaking, our existence would necessitate faith in a transcendental being since we have the capacity to doubt everything in our existence.

>>686687933

well have fun in eternity in pain when you die cuz u draw the eternity in hell card, how long is eternity? nobody can tell you cuz it aint existing just like your god what ever one that maybe! WHAT? you say my god XYZ dont exist? do you even believe bruh? NO? oh boi guess im just another victim of political propaganda used by the goverment since "what day is today? oh right the 29.05.2016" over 2016 years. well fuck me i guess.

>>686688279
Jokes on you, everyone is immortal.

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>>686688436
Until they're not.

>>686688279

im gonna fly to peru drink ayahuasca and fight that motherfucker head on, i win ez pez lmn sqz

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he are??
shit, now i can't seppuku

>>686686911
>assuming i'm an edgy fedora just because I found a hole in a religion

>The concept of God is ultimately derived from the Platonic theory of Forms, where he exists in a transcendental, perfect state, and the entire universe is merely an imperfect representation of him, hence their inclination to change over time, or having a finite lifespan, where as he would not.
K, so why exactly can't be he created, you fucking idiot? Theists think the universe and the earth are "so perfect" that it must have a creator, yet a perfect being cannot? Fuck off, you moron.

>Our universe as of now has a theoretical beginning and end, with absolutely no proof of it being eternal, other than dipshits saying muh quantum without knowing what the fuck they are talking about.
Dat irony. Funny how you were boosting about there not being any proof that the universe is infinite, yet think it's more likely that some perfect transcendental being without a creator magically created it, despite the fact that it's 99,999999999999999999999999+% more likely that the universe is just eternal and has always been here. Ever heard of the Big Crunch, motherfucker?

>>686688559
Yup. You know all about it.

god is not equal god, noone will ever believe you that god is that old man but there is sure evidence of powers being able to show themselves before you very often in situations where quantum effects are able to happen (ever heard that light changes its behaviour whether there is an oberserver?) our god and that is the earthlings god maybe only exist for us to help us to live a happy life, i very doubt that the same one operates the same somewhere else, so anyone prove me wrong that there only can be one god that is eternal

>>686684107
This.

The Earth is actually flat, and we are so ass-backwards in our mindset due to being brainwashed with "education", porn, and bad rap music for so long. It's not really surprising society is so fucked beyond repair.

>>686688279
Messing with immortal beings, especially self described jealous ones, who can literally fuck you for eternity, on the basis of feeling superior ... is a really bad idea.

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>>686688665

hurr durr who made first atom

hurr durr religin 1 neckbeard 0

They can pull the same shit, who made god?


The thing is science looks deeper into how and what. Religion sits in a corner and smiles with a shit faced grin because they have no worries "god will keep me safe"

>>686688665
still say that if you motherfuckers really wanna know if there's a God you should probably figure out how the Big Bang happened.

>>686688356
Well whatever brh. I seen enough shit to know your shit ain't real. You ain't gettin past this level bro

>>686688279
Doing what you want nd then offing yourself escaping the consequences would be straight up wrong.

>>686688665
big crunch isn't possible; dark matter constant says our universe expands infinitely.

>>686689209

and yet you know nothing

>>686689234
Ya except that the consequences aren't served by the butt fag in heaven or your buddies in that fag church of yours, alter boy.

>>686689020
Underrated shit post.

He makes a valid point.

Meh. Smegma

>>686684419
I think the issue is that he doesn't understand that there was never nothing. The theory assumes that something, well everything, was always there in a different state and compressed to a point. When the state changed, it expanded. It's not the beginning of everything, it's just as far back as we can theorize.

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>>686680315
The big bang is a preposterous hypothesis, everything had to come from something, there needed to be an input, there had to be something to start the equation of creation from the beginning &as well as this the universe needs a constant observer in order for things to exist in the way that it does & therefore let us percieve reality as we do (particles function a certain way as we literally see them & differently as we do not observe them) therefore, no matter how hard you question it, some things are unanwserable and we have no idea how it works, we only see what we can see

>>686680315
The Big Bang theory was created by a Christian theologian, and confirmed by scientists.

>>686681111
9/11 sick meme dude

>>686689584
at the end of the day you cant disprove this magical floating ghost with massive power and that is so shallow it made ants to worship it.

So i don't see the point in argueing about something that cant be disproven. I will let it die out. Every basis of every great religion has before. Greek gods, Egyptian, Nordic. It will be practiced like some people practice druid and wiccan in a few hundred years.

Can u guys like shut up XD we all know animu is the best! - All Atheists

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>>686688850
Well the motherfucker isn't really making much of case to follow him, is he? If he wants me, he knows where to fuckin' find me. I'll be waiting. If he wants to wait until after I die to show up, then what can I do, then the whole point will be moot. Fuck it, make me suffer for eternity. Don't give me some vague story passed down by generations of retards and expect me to take it seriously, again.

>>686690047

well its more true as every religion ever.

>>686689830
Yeah but what do you say to these other atheist fags who take these as objective truth?

>>686689830
Big Bang is the only hypothesis that stands over 30 years of tests, bro. This is why I drink lol

>>686680315
in absolute nothing, everything is possible.

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>>686690047
sooo are we not going to jerk eachother off?
damn it

>>686690047
Weaboo/anime hating athiest here. Where is your god now?

>>686690205
go away, flaccid fuck

>>686688665
I'm not advocating the theists position you raging fucking tard. I'm saying you had a loose understanding of it in the first place and decided to rant on the subject because you're a moron. You're an edgy fedora because you actually believe YOU found the hole instead of regurgitating half-assed rhetoric you were exposed to, and would be another booze-swigging Christian otherwise.
No, they don't think it's perfect, otherwise HEAVEN WOULDN'T EXIST. They think it's amazing and should be viewed as evidence of God's splendor, but not. being. a. fucking. theist. I disagree.
God is essentially the Prime Mover, but you don't know what that is because you're underage b& who just found the Internet and think your thoughts are at all revolutionary.
He can't be created, only known of. To them, an existence that exists temporally MUST have an eternal component, similar to mathematical concepts or the laws of physics, which do not change over time, even though they're utilized to create imperfect copies.

I do not think it's more likely since I am not a theist. Stop ripping your fedora so god damn hard and maybe you can actually read what the fuck I am saying.

>>686690131
You know what I say...much love, you believe what you want & vice versa, as long as we aint being cunts to one another who gives a fuck

>>686689118
Your logical fallacy is: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

6000 Years ago, we thought the sun and the moon were gods, when we figured out what they really are, we realized they aren't.
2000 years ago, we thought Zeus lived on Mt Olympus, when we reached it, we realized he isn't there.
500 years ago, we thought God was above the sky, when we reached it, we realized he isn't there.
200 years ago, we thought God was in space, when we reached it, we realized he isn't there.
Now, everyone's saying that God is beyond space and time.
When will it stop? Until we reach the edge of the universe? Then you'll just say that God is in another reality or dimension. Just admit it, God isn't real and he never was.

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>>686690365
never

>>686690389
tl;dr

>>686690093
Dw about it. Everything will be sorted out in the end pretty fairly. But don't expect to hide anything. And your 'fuck yous' have zero value.

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Everything came from nothing > An all powerful being came from nothing and created everything

>>686680315
The Big Bang Theory, notice the Theory, would explain much of what we know about the observable universe. No one could possibly know what, why, or how everything came to be. No one will ever know. That's why its called a theory. I know this is probably bait, but I'm just saying.

>>686680315
Opposed to "believing" what?

>>686690267
smh your kind is a one in a million, like a Muslim that DOSENT want to fuck a goat

>>686690495
kk, now you just kreeping.... lol

>>686690540
You aren't relevant faggot.

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>>686690658
awh yeah

>>686690689
my dick.

the big bang isn't an answer to the universes beginning
it's the oldest point in history anything can be traced to, no information on what was before it is able to figured out, which means since anything that occurred before it has no observable effect, we don't need to care what came before it, all before it is irrelevant is every sense
there are some dumb physicists that claim it was the beginning, whether it be for media attention or due to their own stupidity, but they're irrelevant

>>686690459
if you figure out how the Big Bang happened, you'll know the next step. It's the natural progression.

Plus, it puts their religious zealousness to work.

>>686690804
My dick is the bees knees.
Yo dick lookin like string cheese.

>>686682015
gr9 b5 m7 ir4 6/3

>>686690145
Quantum physics dictates eveything cannot come from nothing, where did the particles & shit to create the big bang come from, as I said its an answerable question, why ask unanswerable questions, causes needless distress so we may as well co-exist with one another
>>This is why I drink

instead of some space magic from god

>>686683205
huahuehuehue br? give moni plos

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>>686687481
yo dude, ever heard of ppl seeing or hearing the devil or the number 666 appearing for reason?

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>>686690652
Anime hating agnost right here. Just lurking for shits nd giggles.

>>686687922
wow god just may help you to findinto a better life and not to die prematurly

>>686691045
I meant unanswerable question, I am a dick head

>>686688291
Again show me god. Until you can show me god. It ia all a fabrication in you stupid little head.

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>>686686911
>getting this butthurt over a religious argument on /b/

Yeah, totally not a Christian.

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8562 Rape video of the girl was leaked :)
(16 year old which was raped by 30 people and her boyfriend)

Link 1:
https://a.cocaine.ninja/pxfnnc.zip
Link2:
(Mirror)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y3u4gg4hhi7bj0c/DUMP.zip?dl=1

Pass is included inside the zip.


Hail me for finding it.

>>686691310
Again, show ME god and the debate is iver. Until this time it is all a fabrication in your little mind.

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>>686690548
Like I said, whateva. If he wants me to hear him, he can step his almighty ass down in a very obvious way and say "Ay! Here I am, let's talk", then I might listen to what he's got to say. Otherwise, old ass books translated a hundred times and passed through a couple thousand years and a few billion iterations of edits and re-edits by powerful and knowingly corrupt "churches" is not the best way to convince people to hop on his boat. The kind of absent mindedness required to have "faith" is. in any other case, a fucking fault.

Also, like I said, he fuckin knows where to find me.

>>686680552
Wrong, it was 2016 years ago.

>>686686911
Did you know the concept of God long precedes Plato?

The more you know

>>686691721
0/10
>>686691689
>What is the school of Rationalism
No. Read more.

>>686680315
>686680315
Yes, I believe in the big bang. I believe that there was nothing, and then suddenly everything there is, has ever been, or ever will be sprang into existence all at once. However, I do believe there was a "cause" to the big bang; The only cause without a cause of its own. That reason for existence is YHWH (God). I believe the big bang is what the first chapter of Genesis describes. I believe that the bible is a history book, but a very flawed book, told in the way that people told stories thousands of years ago. It is very "flowery" and embellished. Many of the events in the bible did not even happen, or were quite different than is written, especially if a modern man witnessed them. The bible is inherently flawed because it is of man. Man created the bible, despite what many Christians believe. Man cannot help but put his own "spin" on things; the men who were in charge of canonizing the original bible stories, as well as (and especially so) the new testament had their own agendas to forward. This shows through. There is also the fact that the bible was not written down anywhere for the first few thousand years of its existence. It was merely passed on in the form of verbal stories. So yes, I am a believer in God, but am by no means a traditional Christian. You wanna fight about it?

>>686692129
Yes, but that was how it was formalized in the Western canon.

>>686686439
There is a shit-ton of scientific evidence which supports the theory that the universe had a beginning and is therefore not eternal.

>>686692131
Wrong, i dont need to read anything or take uo anymore if my time.

Show me god.

Its not hard at all. You all go on and on about god. Just simply show me the god. You are expecting ne to believe in nothing. Until you can, it is all a fabrication of the human mind.

>>686690389
But it is a hole and you aren't even able to refute it. All do you is just throw ad hominems and can't even come up with an argument except "Hurr, no that's wrong cuz you're a fedora neckbeard and don't know anything", meanwhile being a pseudo-intellectual yourself. You're just bring up the theory of forms, which doesn't explain why God can't be created, so sorry, but you're a retard. I'm not even an atheist, but even I know that that "Hurr, universe is created, but not gawd, hes eternal!" is bullshit. Nothing makes god so special that he can't be created, no matter how OP you want to make God.

>>686680315
It is not true that there was absolutely nothing. What is true is that the laws of physics as we know them have no explanation for the structure of the universe before some fraction of a second. For all we know, that could have been God, and His direction of the "Big Bang" caused the eventual formation of what we see today. So He created it all, but just not 6kyrs ago.

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>>686691171

Show me the god

All other debate is un needed and only wastes time when the real debate is on one question

Show me the god

>>686691310
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_115

People are thick and you are no exception.

People claiming that the devil came and left his mark "666" in his wake are sensationalists, because according to revelations, the origin of the warning of the devils number, the number is 616.

Go type amen on some facebook page so god will save a dying puppy or something faggot.

>>686691910
yo dude, i am not sure why some ppl get signs and some not it is mostly a thing of occasion and being somehow endangered yourself or doing very wrong things, if you live a happy life signs are absolutely redudant to be given

>>686692535
No it doesn't, it just has evidence for the Big Bang. It doesn't say what happened before it, the universe might as well have existed before the Big Bang, like the Big Crunch theory.

>>686681383
he had the seventh day off to rest. I don't blame him/her/it it would have been hard work all that creating

>>686693110
The big crunch theory has been disproven, as much as one can disprove a theory like that.

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It may seem counter intuitive to us that the universe came from "nothing."

But 200 years ago the average person thought it was counter intuitive that all living things are related and evolved over time.

600 years ago the average person thought it was counter intuitive that the earth isn't the center of the universe.

2500 years ago the average person thought it was counter intuitive that lightning was caused by natural processes and not Zeus.

The list goes on and on. To suggest you can say for certain how the universe could or could not have begun based on your own intuition is nothing but pure arrogance.

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>>686693164
How does anyone know what a day is before there was a sun to orbit? Is a day here the same as everywhere else? Did god say a day is 24 hours and then based the entire structure of our solar system on that? Just curious.

>>686692556
>Rationalism is the belief that everything is a fabrication of the mind.
Read more.
>>686692572
I'm not saying it wasn't and that's the reason I don't believe in it you fucking retard. I bring up the Theory of Forms because that is what the modern conception of God is fucking based on, that all of reality are imperfect manifestations of a transcendental order that remains true throughout time.
No shit it's fucking bullshit. Do you feel like a genius yet? The fact of the matter was, and always has been, was that you had absolutely no idea how these thoughts were constructed, and how greater minds than you will ever be fervently believed in it.

>>686680315
atheist here.

no big bang theory assumes there is something as a beginning therefore its not based on logical assumptions

>>686692879
not him, but, just as an annectdode
ultimately the number refers to the beast of revelations, not the devil
and the beast of revelations is an analog to Rome which at the time was against Christians
And the number is almost unanimously agreed to represent Emperor Nero, one of the biggest persecutors of early christians

>>686693326
No, it hasn't. And even if it did, that still doesn't mean that nothing happened before the big bang. The big crunch theory was just an example.

>>686680315
Hey it's this thread without the autistic fucking never ending bitch picture

>>686692535

There's evidence to suggest space and time had a "beginning" but energy itself is probably eternal. And no, I'm not religious. And no, the suggestion that energy is eternal doesn't bother me or make me believe in anything supernatural.

Also the big crunch is bogus.

>>686693442
All im saying is show me the god. I dont think all things are fabrications. I think your false belief in this god is incorrect and until you

Show me god

Its is in fact just a fabrication of your mind

I only need the proof i dont need to muddy the debate.

>>686693853
I do not believe in God.
>muddy the debate
Right because shit gets a little more complicated than your brain can process, huh?

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>>686694043
Exactly, so simply show me god. That's abbout as simple as it can get and any idiot could understand it.

Not that anon, btw, just interjecting.

Just like cold is the absence of heat, and darkness is the absence of light. God is the absence of reason.

>>686693853
I do not believe that it would be possible to "show you the god" whether one existed or not. I think the whole idea of God is that God is on a wholly different plane of existence, and therefore cannot be experienced in any way by people of this universe.

>>686694382
But-but, muh all powerful!

Guys, why do you even care to come to this shitpost? seriously it started notless than months ago, yet you still come and grant this idiot the attention he wants.
serious question: why?
(i mean, it's definitely not hte only place to post spiderman...)

>>686693793

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_energy

See: Implications for the fate of the universe.

>>686687250
>image (155)
holy shit I hope the other 154 images aren't like this one

>>686694235
Show a blind man color.
Wuh-woh rationalism.

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>>686694382
if he's as all knowing, all powerful and omnipotent as stated by his followers, then finding a way to prove himself should be a non issue and would save a lot of people a lot of eternal damnation. Unless that's just what he's into.

>>686692253
Oh, right. I forgot Egyptian Gods left no impression in western culture. It was until the Greeks, lol

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Bait never changes

>>686680315
Do you honestly believe in the "god"? There was absolutely nothing and then god made all the matter and energy in the entire universe suddenly came out of nowhere?

Topkek! Think about it anon, it's so ridiculous.

>>686682015
Anything heavilly condensed cant be called a fucking molecule at all idio.

>>686694679
If a man is blind then color does not exist to him. If that color were an all powerful sentient being it could simply show him it's color, rather than damning him for all eternity for not being able to see it.

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>>686693442
If you tell a lie long enough, everyone will believe it even the greatest minds. More people are atheists now because our society has become more secular. You still haven't answered my question. Why can't God be created? This is the reason we're even arguing in the first place. The Theory of forms doesn't prove it and you even said it yourself that it's bullshit and that the hole stands, so why are you even argue in the first place?

>>686680315
After last night your Mom believes in the big bang

>>686693540
but diseases were created by god. curing them is blasphemy. living short, painful lives is god's plan. it's because he loves us.

>>686693442
>you had absolutely no idea how these thoughts were constructed, and how greater minds than you will ever be fervently believed in it.
Yeah, and even greater minds realize it's all bullshit.

>>686682015
well done
very high quality bait

>>686694726
Egyptians didn't turn Osiris into their nigh monotheistic diety until after communicating with the Greeks.

>>686694904
Regardless his senses can be said to be deceived by impairment and his only rational option is to believe that color exists based on outside sources.
God is the outside source in this scenario, since he exists outside your frame of perception, but is still able to affect it indirectly.
However, the blind man has the option to believe in color or not to believe in color.
Golly-gee, this sure sounds like The Cave.

>>686691558
so only people who live to an old age and die by natural causes have found god?

>>686695123
Oh please you wouldn't be saying that if u had aids and science had discovered a cure

>>686695459
If he can't see color, then color doesn't exist. He can believe it exists and be told it exists, but until he sees it, it doesn't fucking exist. Color is benign, god is not. Find a better argument for being eternally tortured for a few decades of not believing what you can't see.

>>686680315
Your idea of a magical skyperson creating everything is easily more ridiculous.

>>686694977
>Tell a lie.
Gross oversimplification but understanding this would require us to read a library of text that neither of us have the time for an opt out in favor of the secularist canon for the sake of convenience, even though many modern atheists have no idea how Empiricism began in the first place.
Because you made a retarded argument against God that isn't even in any theological doctrine. Nobody believes he just spawned from nothing, they believe he is eternal with no beginning or end. How this is the case is inconsequential, since that's not what the original macro implied, and why it should be discarded completely.
>>68669538
>tips fedora

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>>686695964
And at the very least, he's an all powerful being. What's his fucking problem that he can't be obvious and say "Here I am" in some undeniable way? Why leave a path of suffering that ends in eternal torture when all he had to do was show himself? There is no argument for that method, other than he's either not omnipotent or he gets off on the suffering. One is weakness, the other: pure fucking evil.

>>686695459

Zorastrian monotheism predates the ancient Greek's conception of gods by over a millennia.

After reading back through your other posts in this thread, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, to the point of embarrassment.

>>686687922
A: I am honestly not sure why God decided to make us. But with that logic and the knowledge that if there is a God he is all powerful, then he doesn't need us for reasons. This matches with the way the Bible shows that he really wants you and 'knocks on the door', but never needs you, because that would eliminate free choice.
B: What is love? Is love a baby who only loves you because he needs to in order to continue a comfortable, painless life, or the brother who you've been through so much with, such as possibly death of family or abuse, and loves your strongly because of the pain threading you together? Obviously the second one. God puts us through pain to make the relationship between us more personal. This way we can genuinely love him rather than feeding off of him.

>>686692879
oh wow a piece of papyrus? is that the oldest one and the only one that evidence the number 616? cool

>>686695964
>nobody observed the atom until the 20th century
>they don't exist
wew lad, except it does, like walking exists as a function of locomotion even though a cripple can't perform it.
Hell's not important in this scenario and I'm not justifying his methods, what I'm saying is that shit exists regardless of our ability to perceive it.

>>686696460
And they began with two, in the Middle East, with no texts coming to Europe at the time, and the Norse eventually made Odin their chief diety, so God's really Odin because he has a white beard and stuff.

>>686696399
what if He wants us to figure out the mechanics of the universe?

Maybe we should try and figure out how the Big Bang happened to see what we can glean from that.

Maybe we should also figure out how proteins work. That might explain a lot of physics and chemistry to us.

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>>686696497
A: He created, doesn't need us, but wants us = not all powerful

B: Makes us suffer to know love, something in his almighty power he could have worked around in the first place, but didn't because he's either weak or sadistic.

You can try and spin a godly answer all you want, it will always boil down to my original point, which you cannot deny.

>>686692879
also i absolutly dont know why god could or should save a puppy only because ppl do want that, thats just not the kind of "magic" that is possible in our world that is ruled by physical laws

>>686685945
>The entire thread

>>686696943
Or maybe he can just step off his high goddamned horse and show us. Or is he not able to perform such a task because he's not all powerful?

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