>>686136170
sure kid. cool bedtime story.

>>686136170
withjewsyoulose.jpg

>>686136170
*he tried to borrow everyone in Americas money

yo

Nothing is free you fucking nitwit.

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>>686137381
You could just stop being retarded with the money you do have

>>686137904
You'd figure languishing on $2/h would just about pay back all of that 'debt'. How did the rich become rich in the first place?

>>686136170
>free
Tax funded. Don't be a Swede.

>>686136170
He is also a socialist.
Meaning he has a childish view of the world.

How did he plan on affording this once he ran out of my money?

>>686136170
>free

Tax is theft you fucking commie

>>686136170
Authoritarian, federal government is already excessively larger than it should be. Like way past its power and authority, and this guy wants to increase the power, size and authority of the federal government by %40 if he got his way completely. Whilst $19 trillion in debt that is honestly the dumbest fuckin thing in the world to think of. You're an authoritarian who needs to be told how to live, think and feel if you support this man

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>>686138752
Use this money

>>686136170
What is pawpaw?

>>686136170
It's not that we don't want free college tuition and healthcare... it's the fact that we understand that nothing is "free".

Go ahead and ask Venezuela how socialism is working for them.

>>686139021
37% Military
2% War Prevention

wrf?

>>686136170
>No one wanted it

Lol. Plenty of people wanted it. It's just a bunch of people who were never going to go to college didn't care about it.

>>686139183
What's confusing?

War is profitable for a whole bunch of people. They do nothing to try and stop wars, and then poor money into fighting them.

War is horrible, but as long as it keeps making contractors rich and helps fearmongering republicans get elected, it's not going anywhere.

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>>686139065
retarded american way of saying "grandfather".

>>686139021
>Suggesting we lower the military budget while we are currently deployed in over 150 occupations.
Underage B& detected.
Fix our military problems first then you can talk about using that money for something else.

Also being in perpetual war is the only thing keeping our economy afloat.

People going "herp derp socialism" have no idea what socialism is and how what he wants is in no way near actual socialism. Go look at what the tax rate was under the wealthy during Eisenhower and realize that the wealthiest now have a lower effective tax rate than middle class people.

Without his brand of "socialism" we wouldn't have public schools, 40 hour work weeks, overtime, non-private police and fire departments, sanitation, fucking universal clean water, etc. These social programs have had a long term positive effect on society.

People who argue against "big government" should be arguing against "inefficient/corrupt government". The size is fucking arbitrary.

socialism is the only system that could actually work but keep talking about your freedom you used to have.

>>686140415
Eisenhower also created public highways

>>686140159
Who the hell was implying "change absolutely nothing about the military but cut the budget"? Nobody thinks that way.

Obviously you'd have to change things in order to slash the budget. Like may not being deployed in 150 countries, or spending over a trillion dollars developing a plane you don't fucking need.

>>686139116
>Go ahead and ask Venezuela how socialism is working for them.

What a ridiculous exaggeration. You might as well go "Go ahead and ask Somalia how the free market is working for them"

>>686139021
>and past cost of wars
OK so the one section you want to be the biggest you just throw everything you can onto. Jew

>>686140159
because all of your sandnigger bombing runs have totally improved the state of the middle east. You have quite literally accomplished jack shit because although you may have a strong military, you are useless at international politics

>>686140159
yes buy more german panzers!

>>686137904
Have fun with your $50k heart attacks fatasses

>>686142183
What you don't realize is that they think bombing runs ARE international politics.

>>686141677
>current cost of past wars

1https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/
God this shit is painful to look at

>>686142654
Shh. This is too complex for him. He probably doesn't understand that past events can still be having an effect now.

>>686138739
I know this is boat but please explain how socialism is childish?
Can you not view the world has a whole?
Reductionism can't be applied holisticly .

>>686137904
I too like to ignore the fact that the US pays other countries with imaginary money, therefore increasing it's debt to those other countries.

>>686142654
>>686142816
idk im a lib and the fact that they put that phrase in the pie chart is a little... odd

you guys might want to fact check

>>686139021
For a second I thought we were spending 8% of our budget on energy, science and the environment and was really surprised and happy.
Then I realized it was spent on supporting the Economy.
Which is ridiculous considering the economy is completely dependent on energy science and ultimately the environment.

>>686140159
>while we are currently deployed in over 150 occupations.
Well if you americans would figure the fuck out that occupying almost every third world country on the planet is doing more damage than good, fine. Have fun paying off your national debt, that is if you don't die from a burger grease induced heart attack.

>>686136170

>punishing the middle class with crushing taxes to pay for tumblr's Cambodian basket weaving degree
>free

Fuck off kike.

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>>686143769
My middle class family of three healthy people pays 1200 a month for health insurance.
I actually had to drop out because could not afford
Free college and health care will save the middle class far more money than lost in tax dollars

>>686143769
Middle class doesn't even pay for it. You idiot. That isn't how it works. Socialism isn't what he was about. He just happened to be a democratic socialist.

>>686136170
Pawpaw was a plumber. Then he became involved in politics earning over $100 million....hmm

>>686144052

>my tax money should go to you because your bitch shat out a kid you couldn't afford

Fuck off kike.
If you can't succeed in America then you are bad with money.

Pretty much everybody in Europe is laughing so fucking hard at this whole circus.
Every single time you guys have elections, we laugh. So hard.

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>>686144215

If you don't think Bernie's policies would hit the middle class then your are autistic.

>>686139021
This looks so legit it isn't even funny. (Sarcasm) some fag does a shitty colorful pie chart using non GAAP terms and passes it off as a financial statement. Where are the citations and apendixes?

>>686144310
I love how they try to be like us but they lack the capacity lol.

Fuck the USA. You are shithole.

>>686144270
Okay fag

>>686144484
See
>>686144052
The benifits far outweigh the costs

>>686144484
LOL. You're an actual fucking retard.

So you've shown a chart that lists all the costs an none of the benefits.

For it to hurt the middle class, they would need to be less benefit than harm. Try again showing both sides of the equation and then we'll talk.

>>686144560
The bottom right
If you aren't going to bother to google the source don't bother posting, retard

>>686144310
We don't even know you exist. You are totally irrelevant.

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>>686144579
There is no way Scandinavian socialism will work in the United States.
Way too many people to abuse it, to take care of, etc.

Entire European countries are smaller and produce less than a single state so you'd have to be autistic to try to apply stuff like that to vastly different continents.

>>686145184
>you can't take a concept and scale it up
THATS IMPOSSIBLE1!!2

>>686136170
I'm OK paying taxes for the roads, police, etc. but for your education? Who am I? Santa Claus?

>>686144796
There isn't any factual information to site. The Government doesn't prepare financial returns, they aren't audited and everything is basically some ass hat draws a pie chart to manipulate the stupid public

>>686138416
>[Citation needed]

>>686145445
>Not understanding that a better educated country / workforce benefits everyone.
>Not understanding that you're already paying for 15 years of people educations

>>686145184
Holy shit the whole income of Texas is only comparable to Spain? Spain is the Africa of Europe. No trolling intended I'm genuinely surprised it's that shit.

Your country is shit.
I know this is a hard concept for a lot of you to understand, but please, try looking at yourselves from the rest of the worlds point of view; you are the entitled rich kid who complains about your miniscule problems, come over uninvited, never leave and you attack people many times smaller then you.
You have celebrities that you ride on the backs of.

>>686145544
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/07/everything-chuck-hagel-needs-to-know-about-the-defense-budget-in-charts/

There you go, though you probably wont bother to look.

>>686144791
>>686144657


The benefits are none for me.

I am not autistic and already have healthcare.
I didn't fall for the college meme and am a regular blue collar American.
My wife is a stay at home mom because again, I am not autistic and can provide for my family entirely on my own.

Why should I pay taxes so other people can reap all the "benefits" and I get absolutely nothing in return.

Fuck off kikes.

>>686145676
You know why? Because FUCK YOU! That's why!

>>686145764
It's not all about you
You and your family will come and go in a mere blink of an eye.
You have zero concept of long term.

LOL @ BERNIE... free? I'm one of the ones paying for his "Free" shit....

>>686145764
>I already have health care
Do you pay money for your health care mr working class hero?
>I'm not autistic
What ever kind of retard you are
>>686145764
>me
>me
>me
Why don't you put the well being of the world first you selfish fuck?

>>686145764
The racist, selfish, short sighted, blue collar asshole who can't understand how charts or the diffusion of public benefits work didn't go to college?

*gasps* What a surprise.

>>686145758
https://www.whitehouse.gov/interactive-budget

>>686145764
the money paying for your healthcare is being taken out of your pay by your employer


its not free

(it could be)

>>686145672
As a standalone country Texas would be the 12th largest GDP in the world.

>>686145764
Your kind will die off soon enough
Progress may be slowed but it is inevitable

>>686146237
...Your point being?

>>686145764
So the tax they blow now is okay?

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>>686146109
>>686146166
>>686146186

>be me
>pay for my own life and don't want any help from anyone or a nanny state
>get called selfish by entitled kikes that want free education and free healthcare

All of my wat?

A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take it all away.

>>686146301
I know it isn't free.

>>686146588
Look at red and blue and maybe green, compared to yellow, hmmm

>>686146381
>>686146778
>O NOE BIG GUBERMENT :,(
>entitled kikes
>>>/pol/
And stay out

>>686146767
Sure grab funny pictures you found on Facebook
Won't change a damn thing

>>686146971
>he's not a communist that wants the government to take care of him
>back to le pol meme :^)

I remember my first presidential election too friend.

Just wait until you are out in the real world. Paying for everyone else won't sound to appealing when you'll be the one footing the bill.

>>686146936
>I post a chart showing the US military spending compared to other contries
>You post a chart showing the US military spending as compared to other parts of the US budget

What exactly do you think you've shown?

>>686146767
Gud meme X>D
In our view, Sen. Bernie Sanders’ plan for comprehensive financial reform is critical for avoiding another “too-big-to-fail” financial crisis. The Senator is correct that the biggest banks must be broken up and that a new 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act, separating investment from commercial banking, must be enacted.
Wall Street’s largest banks are now far bigger than they were before the crisis, and they still have every incentive to take excessive risks. No major Wall Street executive has been indicted for the fraudulent behavior that led up to the 2008 crash, and fines imposed on the banks have been only a fraction of the banks’ potential gains. In addition, the banks and their lobbyists have succeeded in watering down the Dodd-Frank reform legislation, and the financial institutions that pose the greatest risk to our economy have still not devised sufficient “living wills” for winding down their operations in the event of another crisis.
Secretary Hillary Clinton’s more modest proposals do not go far enough. They call for a bit more oversight and a few new charges on shadow banking activity, but they leave intact the titanic financial conglomerates that practice most shadow banking. As a result, her plan does not adequately reduce the serious risks our financial system poses to the American economy and to individual Americans. Given the size and political power of Wall Street, her proposals would only invite more dilution and finagle.
The only way to contain Wall Street’s excesses is with reforms sufficiently bold and public they can’t be watered down.

>>686146767
>>686147401
That’s why we support Senator Sanders’s plans for busting up the biggest banks and resurrecting a modernized version of Glass- Steagall.
Signers (Institutional listing for identification purposes only):
1. Robert Reich, University of California Berkeley
2. Robert Hockett, Cornell University
3. James K. Galbraith, University of Texas
4. Dean Baker, Center for Economic and Policy Research
5. Christine Desan, Harvard Law School
6. Jeff Connaughton, Former Chief of Staff, Senator Ted Kaufman
7. William Darity Jr., Duke University
8. Eileen Appelbaum, Center for Economic and Policy Research
9. Brad Miller, Former U.S. Congressman and Senior Fellow, Roosevelt
Institute
10. William K. Black, University of Missouri-Kansas City
11. Lawrence Rufrano, Research, Federal Reserve Board, 2005-2015
12. Darrick Hamilton, New School for Social Research

>>686146778
Again, all you seem to talk about is you
Like you make up all of America
And you honestly can't see that.
You are so far up your own ass you can see teeth.

>>686146301
>the money you pay for healthcare is your money that you earned so it isn't free
>you could pay for yours and everyone's else's healthcare with roughly 9% more tax on every dollar and your healthcare would be free then
What's it like having an extra chromosome?

>>686147337
That welfare has already a pretty big fucking chunk of the budget, and there are still people whining about the defense budget

>>686146767
>>686147564
13. Peter Eaton, University of Missouri-Kansas City
14. Eric Hake, Catawba College
15. Geoff Schneider, Bucknell University
16. Dell Champlin, Oregon State University
17. Antoine Godin, Kingston University, London, UK
18. John P. Watkins, Westminster College
19. Mayo C. Toruño, California State University, San Bernardino
20. Charles K. Wilber, Fellow, Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace
Studies, University of Notre Dame
21. Fadhel Kaboub, Denison University
22. Flavia Dantas, Cortland State University
23. Mitchell Green, Binzgar Institute
24. Bruce Collier, Education Management Information Systems
25. Winston H. Griffith, Bucknell University
26. Zdravka Todorova, Wright State University
27. David Barkin, Universidad Autonoma Metropolitana-Xochimilco
28. Rick Wicks, Göteborg, Sverige (Sweden) & Anchorage, Alaska
29. Philip Arestis, University of Cambridge
30. Amitava Krishna Dutt, University of Notre Dame
31. John F. Henry, Levy Economics Institute
32. James G. Devine, Loyola Marymount University
33. John Davis, Marquette University
34. Gary Mongiovi, St. John’s University
35. Eric Tymoigne, Lewis & Clark College
36. Trevor Roycroft, Ohio University
37. James Sturgeon, University of Missouri-Kansas City
38. Spencer J. Pack, Connecticut College
39. Thomas Kemp, University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire
40. Ronnie Phillips, Colorado State University
41. John Dennis Chasse, SUNY at Brockport
42. Pavlina R. Tcherneva, Bard College
43. 44.
45. William Van Lear, Belmont Abbey College
46. James M. Cypher, Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas
47. Philip Pilkington, Political Economy Research Group, Kingston University
48. Eric Hoyt, PhD candidate, UMass-Amherst
49. Jon D. Wisman, American University
50. James K. Boyce, University of Massachusetts Amherst
51. Hendrik Van den Berg, Professor Emeritus, Universities of Nebraska
52. Thomas E. Lambert, Northern Kentucky University
53. Michael Nuwer, SUNY Potsdam

>>686147611
>you are so selfish, all you care about is you
>why can't you pay for me too, I need stuff too without working for it like you did gah why are you so selfish unlike me who wants you to worry about me too

Do you really expect people to take you seriously?
Newsflash!!! I don't care if other people have healthcare. It isn't my business. I shouldn't have to pay for it if they don't have or can't get it.

>>686147840
>>686146767
Actually my phones being a shit
Here's a link
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Wall-St-Letter-1.pdf

>>686142920
>this is boat
Not bait but boat

It's childish because like children, you want/need someone else to provide for you.

>>686138739
>i do not know the definition of socialism

Fixed that for you bud

>>686148126
You are still looking at this with a reductionist paradigm.
You are considering the parts and not the whole

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>>686147030
newfags are so easy to spot. back to r3ddit with you berntard

>>686147703
>A is too big!
>Yeah but B is big too!

Do you seriously not understand how that doesn't form a proper argument?

People are arguing that defense /should not/ be as big as it is. Part of that argument (notice the word "part") is based on showing how disproportionate it is with the spending of other countries.

The size of other parts of the budget are literally irrelevant to that argument.

Not to mention, even on your own retarded terms, people are talking about expanding the education part of the budget, which on your chart is one of the smallest.

>>686148003
your right, it would not be free, just significantly cheaper.

the reason why its cheaper is not magic, it is because insurance companies currently charge more than what you would pay in taxes. they do this so that they can make money off of your medical needs.

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>>686148008
nice copypasta straight from bernies asshole faggot

>>686148003
Pay for me? Lol you sad sad little man
I pay for everything and im happy to help others less fortunate then myself and i volunteer
Im not sticking my nose in their business
Im being a "not piece of shit"
You colossal piece of human fecal matter
You seem to think that you're the only one who pays tax here

>>686148542
Only newfags say newfag

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>>686148164
Oh you mean that thing that has ruined over 4 countries?!?!?
>mfw you tho that's a good plan.

>>686148334
you can throw as many fancy words at it as you want but that doesn't change the fact that you just want free shit on other peoples dime.

>>686148941
So?
Did you think it was OC?
Did you think there was 170 leading economist sitting behind a computer typing this out just for you?

>>686148941
So?
Did you think it was OC?
Did you think there was 170 leading economist sitting behind a computer typing this out just for you?
Retard

>>686149384
>>686149410
we heard you the first time

>>686149356
I actually have everything thing I need.
My parents already pay for that >:^)
Do you expect me to sit here and type out the definition of reductionism because you can only read at an 8th grade level?

>>686148893

No, it would be cheaper for your poorfag ass.

I do not pay 9% of my income to healthcare, education, and all the other gibsmedats that you Bernietards want.
I pay significantly less than 9% of the money I make towards my healthcare.

So once again, I am footing the bill for people who haven't succeeded or weren't favored by fortune as well as other people.

Stop being such a Marxist social justice warrior faggot you entitled cunt.

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>>686147030
>found on facebook
>filename
sure kiddo

>>686149588
I was watching this, seeing if your agrument was so weak that you would reduce yourself to picking on this double post

>>686149684
No i don't give two shits that you can regurgitate what your community college professor told you. Stop sucking his dick, learn to think for yourself, and get a fucking job.

>>686147564
And every one of them has been insulated in government or academia their whole career. What's not to trust?

>>686150010
Facebook
Google images
Same/same
Try not to get to upset by this

>>686149958
jesus

well your the fucking entitled one, if you loose all your money tomorrow in a bullshit lawsuit, is it because your a piece of shit or because you weren't lucky enough?

>>686136170
40k single parent household and i just finished my degree with only 7k in student debt. got a very good starter job that doesnt require me to move long distance and now will be on own health insurance.
fuck your free college and healthcare simply because poor people wanna complain and act like they get fucked when they are just lazy or idiots or both. pay for it yourself with some help from government is fine but neither is something that should be provided by the government

>>686136170
>free
>anything
Poor little liberal cuckold. They really did a number on you in school, didn't they?

>>686143769
>using the long debunked 'Welfare Queen' myth

yes let's instead just keep paying for super rich people's yacht upkeep while they horde money, don't pay taxes, and actively destroy the economy

>>686142920
>I know this is boat
Like boaty mcboatface?

>>686150308
>this is what the bad side of incredulity looks like
>>686150263
You will never stop me faggot
>incredulity
Your mind just imploded
I didn't even get a highschool diploma. I would kill myself before going to a community college, which is basically a continuation of high school.

>>686150263
Dude, calm down, it's the internet,
It's the bumhole of the internet.
If you get to butthurt here you get butthurt in real life too

you americunts can not understand how much he is appriciated overseas

-he is your only chance, America
-or face the aftermath which will be worse than lousy hollywood-movies

>>686150452
>he's entitled because he doesn't want his money taken and used to buy stuff for other people
>I'm not entitled because I want his money because I can't afford something that he has

I'm all for shitposting but this is just wew lad tier

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can ya

>>686150904
>ßß▲
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Noofag

>>686136170
>give
gee how generous

good thing he has those trillions just sitting around in his house and that he isn't just going to rape that money out of every working american citizen

>>686148003
>It isn't my business. I shouldn't have to pay for it if they don't have or can't get it.

You don't live on your own planet you fucking idiot. Universal healthcare benefits society and that ultimately raises the general standard of living which also comes back to benefiting you.

Imagine when they were debating universal public schooling and dumbfucks like you were going "I have a private tutor, I don't give a fuck". The country would be even more backwards, filled with sloths like you.

>>686150650
>people are better at using the laws of our nation to get rich
>punish them for it

Why is everyone so butthurt that people are richer than them?

>>686150650
1) they earned that money they can do whatever they want with it. Neither you nor I have a claim to it.

2) the top 1% of earners pay 90% of all taxes.

3) if you really think it's wrong for the rich to have so much money go steal it by force or work harder. Don't be a lazy entitled piece of shit and force the government to do your dirty work.
Pussy.

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>>686150413
did you just get to 4chan today? Or do you really not know how filenames work? Heres some homework since its summer and your brain obviously needs more developing. save 5 images off facebook and 5 from here and then tell me if you see a diffference.

Fight me cunts!! Come on!
Fucking fight me¡

>>686151328
Not him
I can see the difference but that being said I've been here for five years and don't know how file names work

>>686151260

Here we see a red blooded American Patriot in his natural habitat.
He takes personal responsibility and understands America is a country based on Merit.

Bless you Anon.

>>686150847
We've fought 4 wars so we would not be like Europe. Hope you enjoy getting cucked by your socialist government. Better buy your prayer rug and learn Arabic quick.

>>686151260
>the top 1% of earners pay 90% of all taxes
Wrong

>>686150873
It's not like the government is going to take just that anon's tax dollars and place them directly into the hand of some freeloading nigger.
That anon is acting like he's the only one who pays taxes, and that his shitty opinion is the only one in the world that should matter.
I work, I don't even need free healthcare or education but I would be much happier to see my tax dollars going towards something that will better society then dumping it into big businesses.

>>686145184
>motherfucking Kansas

toppest of kekkest

>>686151328
It keeps coming up saying you're a fag
Amidoingitrite.gif

>>686151605
I disagree
You are both bad cholesterol clogging the arteries if American society.

>>686145764
The college "meme" lmao.

>>686151192
No one gives a fuck if someone is richer. They give a fuck if they're sucking wealth from the poor. The middle class and lower's wages have stagnated over the past 40 years while they've been more productive.

That system can't last. There will be super rich and super poor with no one for rich people to suck wealth from. An economy's strength depends on the flow of money and money is now just flowing to the top and staying there.

It's not 'punishing' them, it's doing what benefits society as a whole, including them. The current economy benefits the rich in the short run, but your wealth doesn't mean shit if the economy collapses. If fucking idiots would stop thinking short term and about the big picture we can stop this

Have fun being disarmed and being raped by Muslims you eurotrash cucks

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>>686151703
My bad all the welfare recipients must be the ones paying in.

>>686151328
>Been here a week
>Tells other newfags not to newfag

>>686151917
How about stop being pathetic and try a little harder maybe you'll make more money

>>686151917
Laffer curve

>>686151605
>America is a country based on Merit.
>country whose wealth was started off of slave labor
>based on merit

good god the propaganda Americans believe

>>686151878
I know right? Somehow stupid people have managed to convince themselves that college is for stupid people. It's an impressive use of mental gymnastics.

>>686150847
>his rights are a dispensation from Big Brother, an entity he owes in return for all eternity
>he will never feel the feel that his rights are imbued within his very being at conception, inalienable from his existence

I don't want to be like Europe. Fuck off nanny state faggots.

>>686151994
No the 1% still pays more taxes than anyone else.
Duh
but it is very disproportionate to the amount of money they take in

>>686149031
You do those things not out of compassion but because you either have to, like taxes, or because you have some false sense of self-importance and feel like people should kiss your ass and be more like you. When in reality they shouldn't.

>>686152135
Exactly without slavery in the agricultural South the US would have never harnessed the power of the industrial revolution.

>GTFO faggot you don't know shit.

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>>686151479
4chan currently gives a 13 number filename based on the time and date it was saved like 1461437987396, the lower the number, the older the picture is. facebook gives out file names closer to this 1505501_1378549085743944_745448926_n which links their profile and other info into the file. Even if you didnt know the details, if you saved a few images from either and arent autistic you should be able to see a difference in format

>>686136170
If this old fuck wants to make a difference, forgive all the current student loans and the economy will boom. it's not like poor people have the loans to begin with. They all got grant money cuz they were poor to start with.

>>686152171
The only thing that's disproportionate is the return on the 1%'s taxes.
Even socialist cucklord France ruled that a 60% tax rate would be unconstitutional.

>>686152135
>muh slavery
>implying slaves built America instead of just picking the cotton
>implying slaves didn't objectively live a better life in the new world than their African counterparts
>implying America had the most slaves
>implying slavery wasn't just the exploitation of cheap labor
>implying slavery didn't exist since time immemorial on the dark continent
>implying Whites weren't the first race on earth to abolish slavery while it still exists in Africa to this day
>implying you aren't a colossal faggot.

who's the one buying into propaganda again?

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>>686152030
newfag

>>686138416
always money for war

>>686152494
You can laugh all you want but you're the faggot with 10 GB of gay porn on your hard drive.

Would be impossible by the way he was trying to do it.
Cuck and mate.

>>686152112
>try harder durr

It's not just about me you idiot, I'm doing fine. It's about the entire system. If the dollar is worthless it doesn't matter how hard you try. This is typical "let them eat cake" snobbery.

>>686152116
>Laffer curve

Which just shows that higher taxes isn't always a good thing, not that redistributing who pays what taxes isn't a good thing, or that lowering taxes is a good thing.

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>>686152691
Here's a neat infographic

>>686136170
Boy, he must have a lot of money if he can give those things for free.

>>686152828
>it's impossible
why?
>I said so

"free" by free you mean raising everyone's taxes by 40% giving the government 80 cents to the dollar you ear, so neck beards and hipster faggots can free load??

>>686138416
19 trillion needed for free healthcare is a higher amount than 711 million.

>>686153047
See
>>686144052

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>>686148164
Greece is the definition of socialism.
Or more recently, Venezuela is the definition of socialism.

>>686152407
>Exactly without slavery in the agricultural South the US would have never harnessed the power of the industrial revolution.

Exactly my point, moron. You can't say a society is based on merit when they used unpaid labor to get to where they are.

>>686152728

>implying slaves built America instead of just picking the cotton
Where do you think America's wealth was coming from? Do you think cotton was the only cash crop southern slaves harvested? Holy shit you're stupid.

>implying slaves didn't objectively live a better life in the new world than their African counterparts
They absolutely fucking didn't. "White Man's Burden" myth.

>implying America had the most slaves
No one implied this.

>implying slavery wasn't just the exploitation of cheap labor
>implying slavery didn't exist since time immemorial on the dark continent
>implying Whites weren't the first race on earth to abolish slavery while it still exists in Africa to this day

What does this have to do with the discussion at hand you dumb fuck?

>>686153118
Have a look at this
>>686144052

>>686153047
No, free by taking the taxes we already pay and using them right.
And closing the tax loops that enable the rich to avoid paying their fair share.
Any taxes you end up paying will be so small that you'll barely notice.

>>686138416
What is this showing? I just see countries and dollar amounts.

>>686142920
Because the world is not a whole. You live in your house and I live in mine. The alternative is living in a hostel.

>>686152353
Opposed to what? Being more like you, that's a riot, oh no, look at the bad man helping, somebody stop him.
Project any harder and I'll have to assume you are emotionally invested here.
Look guy, I'll level with you, I am better then you, probably your whole family, that doesn't say anything for my social standing
It just shows how far down the barrel you are

>>686139021
Why can't I keep my own money?

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>>686153408
Being this much of a faggot

>>686144590
Lol ok Abdul, thanks. Now go back to fucking your goat.

>>686152444
Nice trips
Go outside and see the sun sometimes

>>686153481
Oh sorry about that. It shows the countries that spent the highest amount of money on their military in 2012

>>686153495
>the world is not a whole.
Can you be more retarded?
I'm sorry for picking on you but it's really frustrating when people are too stupid to get even the most basic systems thinking.

>>686139306
>hey, since you've been such a loyal customer, we're going to raise your monthly payments and max out all your credit cards to give you something probably better! Don't worry, you don't have to do anything, we've made the choice for you and you can't back out.

>>686152926
It reminds me of snowcones

>>686153604
because a country without any taxes=> a country without a government=>total anarchy

>>686136170
question to US-fags - does berni have any chances left to win with hilary?

>>686153801
>picking on you
You're not doing very well so far.

You wouldn't give up your private space to live in a commune, so why on earth would you do it with your money?

>>686153993
we've already tried kissing rich peoples' ass. The result is our current economy.

also
>implying that this isn't a perfect analogy for what rich people have already done to the poor/middle class

>>686154123
A commune actually sounds really cool to me

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>>686154057
No. And given the state of democratic primaries there probably wasn't a chance for him to win at all, even if he had a majority of the votes.

>>686154051
Infrastructure is a bit different than income redistribution. I don't mind paying for fire departments or police since those are city-level public services that are part of a country's core infrastructure.

When you think I should pay for lung cancer treatment for the 40-year chain smoker, that's when things get dumb.

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>>686152728
Next level autistic guitar

>>686153627
>herp derp faggot

exactly the dumb response I expected.

>>686154528
Sounds like generic cuck encore

>>686136170
you fucking idiots hear the word free and run to the voting booths.
Sure you can have "free" college... but you are going to pay for your college trough taxes, oh and did i mention that not only are you gonna pay for your own college through taxes, you are gonna pay for fucking everybody elses too. Including all the kids who don't take it seriously and go there to do drugs and fuck around.
Does anybody even think past the word "free"?
I fucking hate liberals

>>686154556
But here's the thing, YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO PAYS TAXES.
You are not the authority on how yours, and everyone's tax dollars are used. Maybe I wouldn't mind paying for the lung cancer treatment with my tax money. My grandmother died of lung cancer from smoking, so I have the compassion to be okay with that.
It goes both ways man, there's millions of people paying taxes and each one has a different opinion on how they should be used.

>>686154468
Democrats don't do much right, but I'm glad that their antidemocratic process will keep Uncle Handout out of the election.

>>686144484
>mfw employees don't pay the increased payroll tax
This graphic is misleading and basically lying, this is not the tax rate that the middle class will play

>>686152728
The thing is slavery is wrong from an ethical stand point.
>everyone else is doing it!
Are you actually trying to defend slavery?

>>686154269
Cronyism is most of what ails our economy, which is enabled by giving more power to government positions.

>hurr, guys, let's give them even more power and I'm sure things will straighten out

>>686151994
>My bad all the welfare recipients must be the ones paying in.

>implying that 99% of the population are welfare recipients

ugghhhhhh the dumbfucks in this country

>>686154556
>When you think I should pay for lung cancer treatment for the 40-year chain smoker, that's when things get dumb.

But then he pays for your disabled child's 24 hour medical care bills. Good deal.

>>686143162
this X 1000000000000000

the whole conversation about spending is fucking meaningless and every single person that is buying into it is being manipulated out of ignorance by politicians and news pundits

>>686154641
Don't be insecure.

4chan once was a good thing. They turned into something really ugly. Trump trolls... damn I hate you ignorant poor-educated fools, not voting for the Bernie man. He's the only one who cares about your ugly asses

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>>686155056
great one

>>686154807
your grandma died doing what she did best.
Sucking on things that other people told her to do even though she knew it was bad for her.
She deserved it.

>>686145184
>Entire European countries are smaller and produce less than a single
kek then start off with ure states, not the whole us at first

>>686154273
Then go live in one, everyone can share whatever money you can manage to make, live in the woods, and sing songs around the campfire.

You guys will be happy, people contributing to society will be happy, and you guys don't have to be parasites anymore.

>>686155172
I don't know what I expected.

>>686154528
you forgot the person who said it at the end of the quote.
- A Giant Fucking Faggot Cuck

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>Trump supporters argue that Trump is corrupt and wants to change the system
>mfw Trump is now taking money from billionaires far richer than him to fund his campaign

>>686154953
>Cronyism is most of what ails our economy, which is enabled by giving more power to government positions.

Wrong. It's enabled by enabling government officials to be cronies in the first place. No one is talking about giving government more power, it's about giving 1% less power. They're the source of cronyism in the first place.

A big part of it is separating money from the government.

>>686154969
You're the dumbfuck if you vote Democrat. Move to Canada or Europe. Before you go brush up on your Arabic and buy a prayer rug.

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>>686136170
Atleast there was one person showing support

>>686155254
"I don't know what I expected" - Liberals

>>686154807
Neat, then abolish taxing for health care and tax yourself and then put your self-taxed funds towards whoever and whatever you want. Or buy insurance from a company, that's people agreeing to your little system.

But enacting it at the government-level eliminates any way out and it's inherently immoral.

Parasite.

Guiz just real quickly
I've been posting on both sides for the entirety of this thread by googling common agruments about this topic and just general shit posting, were you arguing against me, who knows?
I don't know jack shit about your country.
Anyway all of you are correct.
I'm just sick of CAPTCHA
Asking me to click the store fronts

>>686146157
no you aren't. you are the ones paying for corporate welfare.

bernie would get rid of all that. stock brokers literally make money off of money and they get taxed at lower rates than you. they answer phones and push buttons on a keyboard.

fuck, man. yall are dumb

>>686155483
couldn't she have just used the money she spent on this stupid fucking tattoo for college?

>>686147611
North Americans for far too long have focused on "muh rights". To be more specific, they focus more on what they have a "right" to do as an individual, in opposition to what they ought to be doing as an actor on this planet. Personally, I find importance in the power of limitation and it is time this nation does as well. That is why I am pro-regulation on many matters. If US citizens cannot be responsible to themselves and the world as a whole, then it must be enforced.

>>686155441
>I don't want to give the government more power
>We need to give the government more power to control rich people

Did you read what you wrote? You're in favor of giving the government more power, enabling more cronyism.

>>686155480
Nice try, I'm not voting democrat.

Why don't you move to Somalia?

>>686154987
Nah, I'll pay for whatever illnesses my kid has. I have a job and savings for medical expenses.

>>686155530
"[insert shitpost here]" - Conservatives.

>>686155530
Let me clarify, I don't know why I thought anyone in this place would be capable of reading what I typed out and having an actual conversation.
>>686155589
That's just not realistic. Taxes are going to exist, my point is that you are not the authority in how taxes are used. If it's for the good of the country the government should be able to do what they want with tax money, and I think healthcare and college is a worthy investment.
I am not a parasite, I am on no government assistance and am very capable of taking care of myselfx

>>686155153

Hi newfriend. I'd just like to wiggle in to correct you. 4chan prior to the whole "Anonymous" as group thing was actually incredibly right-winged, racist and what you are trying to label as "Trump trolls". Unfortunately, when the small group of faggots who lurked the boards decided to don masks and take to the streets for "a cause" it brought a lot of media attention our way. Then you libturd sjw faggots began pouring in and turned this into "non-signup Facebook".

>>686155153
Back to rebbit, bern victim.

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>>686155254
Seriously man? You put up something personal and emotional about yourself and didn't except a giant cunt hole not to bite
On /b/

>>686155745
Did you read what I wrote? Who is paying for government officials to be cronies?

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>>686138882
Hey, don't call bernie supporters commies. They belong to gulags like the rest of you!

>>686155589
>immoral to use a system thats cheaper for all and provides greater access to the impoverished

You are a bad person

>>686138416
Nigger, take your GED and leave.

>>686155892
And neither are you or anyone else a moral authority on how taxes are used. Thusly, all taxation is theft by concept and should be kept as low as possible.

Destroyer.

>>686152444
1. Take the name of any image file
2. copy all the numbers except the last 3
3. Enter the number here: http://coderstoolbox.net/unixtimestamp/
4. You have the exact time and date that picture was originally posted

>>686156093
Outside influences couldn't do that until government positions were given power.

>>686156296
property is theft

>>686156166
>cheaper for all
Why does only 30 cents out of every dollar put towards welfare actually reach welfare recipients?

Before 1960, churches and charities did so with 92% efficiency rather than 30%.

>>686156092
If I really remembered or particularly liked her I'd probably be upset.
>>686156296
Thanks Ron. Right now the government is that moral authority, and I think it's doing a pretty damn good job.

>>686155850
woah man, that was really original. God damn, you liberals are so awesome at being unique. I think it's really cool how I can find one liberal and instantly replace them with another. you are all brain washed lizards. You don't even know why you want the things you want beyond the word "free" you think about things at face value and nothing more. You don't take the time to thing about the entire picture. You don;t think about the negative consequences of the word free because all you care about is the feel good in the short run. Come to think of it, that makes sense why a bunch of you hippies do drugs too. You only know how to live off of your parents and you aren't/mature/ hard working enough to fend for yourself. you are the product of enabler. You are in it's most simplistic terms human scum. Name one thing you have done personally that has contributed to society. One thing. you are scum and you want to continue that life style because anything else is to hard. Thanks Bernie for enabler nobody with a real job or life wants

Fuck America
- The rest of the world

>>686156527
Existence is theft, then. Might as well kill yourself since you're so progressive, right?

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>>686154641
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>>686156641
Fuck you.

>>686155817
So you prefer a system where both of you pay out the ass for your own medical care, rather than a system where you pay a little bit for each others?

Are you stupid?

>>686156573
>it's doing a pretty damn good job

Why is it 22 trillion in debt then? Do you like saddling your children with debt so you can live nice for a few decades on credit?

Fluffy

Bernie > Trump > Satan > Hillary

>>686156621
See
>>686155850
Still relevant

>>686156730
Yeah, because the reason it's so expensive is that it's socialized to the extent that it is now.

I'll be happy to take a medical vacation to north Africa for anything I want.

>>686136170
>free
Just cause you ain't paying for it doesn't mean it's free faggot

I dont want my taxmoney to go to waste on some fucking kid who blew it, I'd rather see it go to improving the countries infrastructure or helping army vets who can't keep a normal job due to ptsd or something

Here's a better middle road; make it a loan until graduation and after graduation purge half the debt, creates a smaller burden on taxpayers, makes college and uni available to lower economical classes and gives the students an actual reason to work their ass off and if they fail well then they'll have to pay it all back

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>>686156719
Fuck you

>>686156573
so lemme get this straight, you want to steal millions of peoples tax dollars for a person you don't particularly remember or care about?