It might be a the power supply.

Aside from that, it could be a multitude of problems that's impossible to determine without psychically looking at it. Take it to a computer shop and get it fixed. Find a small business computer repair place instead of a big franchise chain. They tend to charge less while giving you more reliable and faster work.

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>>683783172
The PSU? Again? What could I have done to cause it, if anything?

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>>683783524
What I really want to know is if I am somehow causing this, because I don't want to spend more money on it, only to break it again.

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>>683782914
stop buying shit tier products.

It's obviously the CPU then isn't it?

>>683784152
I got
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438036
What do you recommend?

>>683784276
I already replaced that the first round, did nothing. Replacing the PSU fixed it.

>>683782914
ask over on /g/, you won't get real answers here.

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>>683784624
I'll give it a go, thanks.

>>683784020
Get a UPS

Uninterruptable power supply.

You connect it in before your psu, then hook your psu to it.

It act as a line filter and load balance. It sounds like your power in is either dirty (spiking) or over volting.

>>683785021
I have a UPS. Do you think it's fucking my shit up?

>>683785091
I would most definitely get it checked, yes. There should be no reason for a psu to die on a UPS, once, let alone continually.

>>683785021
Using a http://www.amazon.com/APC-BR1500G-Back-UPS-10-outlet-Uninterruptible/dp/B003Y24DEU?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00

>>683785195
How do I check it? If I can, I'd like to test myself.

>>683785091
I had a UPS. They came and took away my computer, ans delivered it to someone else.

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>>683785296
Thanks for the help all btw. I don't have much for porn on this so I am running out.

>>683785406
Mild kek.

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>>683785222
Apc is a quality enough brand. But it makes no sense for your psu to keep dying.

Original could of been faulty, but a second one on a UPS? Highly unlikely. Unless it was a shitass generic psi, which I assume not if you are using a decent ups.

I guess look at the ups.

Also, is your psi digitally controlled? If so, you might need to check the headers on the mobo and your bios, make sure the digital control is setup properly.

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>>683785603
Here's something a tad different.

>>683785612
Using a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438036.


MoBo is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130790. No idea how to check what you suggested.

>>683782914
Sounds like you have dirty power at your place putting a fluctuating load on the PSU's regulator.

Buy an uninterruptible power supply - it will modulate your voltage so it shouldn't happen again.

>>683785296
Mmm. You could measure it with a pokey proddy... Whatyoucallem..... Gah.. it's one am and I can't think.

Measure volts, impedance etc.

Best to just take it to a sparky and get them to do it thou. Just ask them if there's any spikes or issues.

>>683785867
See >>683785222
. Thanks for the advice though. Also, I never had this issue prior to the UPS, but it didn't necessarily start right after I got it.

>>683785919
On the MoBo or the UPS?

>>683785865
N/mind, not a digitally controlled psu.

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>>683786046
Well I really, really don't want to shell out all that cash for a new PSU/UPS, but it seems I may have to. Going to replace the PSU with a friends later today to see if it fixes it. Though I am willing to bet the PSU is dead. So to recap, the most likely cause is an evil UPS?

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>>683786302
Have some more tits. This is my wife's comp, so unless you like cock not much porn left.

>>683786035
The ups, since it's the item in question.

The psu is the part that's failing. But it known to work. One fail, sure... Maybe faulty psu, but two? Unlikely.

So what's the part before the psu in the chain.

The cable to the psu, from the ups, from the ups, to your outlet.

Work forwards

Eliminate the cable as the reasoning.
Investigate ups if it's at fault.
Then from there if not, check your power outlet.

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>>683786391
No idea, sorry.

>>683786415
I didn't know if another part could fuck up the PSU (MoBo, GPU, etc.) but I suppose I did replace EVERYTHING.

>>683786644
It works like a chain... Wall to ups to cable to psu to mobo which then distributes it forward to things like gpu, cpu, mem etc.

Your currently failing at the forth point in the chain all the time. And the system has been shown to work otherwise.

So your most like outcome would be that there is something wrong with either part 1 2 or 3 in the chain.

You *could* have a gpu or a cpu splode and take out the psu, but it's unlikely. And would be very noticeable.

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>>683786415
Also, do you (or anyone) know of a place to get a UPS checked out? Or what to buy to do it myself?

>>683787264
Very helpful, thank you. I know a bit about computers. More than anyone else I know by far. But overall I'd say my knowledge is 3/10 at best. This takes months to happen so I guess I will just buy a new PSU and not use a UPS and see what happens. One other thing, if I go into screen saver mode or do anything with the monitor everything fucks up and I need to not only turn off the PC, but unplug/turn off the PSU to get it working again. It sometimes remembers that I hit the power button and will turn on as soon as I plug it back in.

>>683787294
I'd just go to any old electrician, take the ups, tell em your woes and ask if they can measure any power spikes or leakage.

I don't recommend investigating it yourself.

Do the wrong thing, big badda boom. And fire. Lots of fire.

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>>683787697
Kek. Good to know. Thanks again.

>>683787615
Nah ... Sall good. To be honest, I went through the same pain with my build about a year ago.

My issue was similar in that my psu gradually shut down more and more till it died.

Mine was digi controlled though, and it was relating to that.

This has somewhat happened to me recently too. It was my RAM, I had two sticks of 8gb which were newish, and two sticks of 4gb which were a couple years old. Computer worked fine for a long while but then it started acting up like your computer. All I did was remove the older sticks of RAM and then it started up just fine.

>>683787888
Checked and happy to hear you got it all sorted. And yes, I am also using this as a mild bump.

>>683787615
That also seems a bit suss. Power /suspend states fucking up says to me there's either something wrong with the bios settings (hard, unless you've manually changed them) or its something with the current physically. (Which would come back to ups)

>>683788145
I will try it out, as I have the exact same setup (a mix of new and old RAM)

>>683788203
I did nothing in the UEFI and this is my 2nd MoBo as I replaced it the first time. This UPS might have cost me over $900.00. So happy.

is your electrical grid properly grounded? That looks like some potential not being properly zeroed, leading to psu lockup. is your psu powerful enough?. i'm repair tech, i'd do: Update bios/mobo drivers, remove strange hardware (tv tuner, 3g usb modem, cd/dvd rom), try again. If still happens, borrow psu from someone and rtry - if this doesn't solve, I'd try borrowing an UPS unit. if it goes straight to battery or switches often, you have problems in e. grid. Another case that makes symptoms loke this, if you have h/p67 chipset (sandy bridge, core 2xxxx), with B2 stepping and hdd with os on sata-3G 1 or 2 ports.

>>683788145
Your particular problem was cause of mixed ram.

You don't mix ram. Sizes or timings. It's in a bank, because it needs to work in sync.

If you have a size/timing mismatch, your going to get all sorts of arsed up weird errors.

>>683788508
Yea so I've been told lol. It worked for about a year like that except instead of it reading 12gb total, it only read 10gb.

>>683788491
And actually ... Yeah. That's one thing not checked. Is your psu the correct size/power for all your gear.

>>683788814
Yeah, cause what was happening is called bottlenecking or throttling.

Basically, it will find the smallest/slowest ram , and sync the other three to that speed/size.

It's a crapshoot as to how long it'll work and how many types of glitches it''ll cause. I'm surprised it lasted that long.

>>683788491
I think so. All my other PCs worked for years, so this would need to be a new thing. I do have some electrician tools (from my father, who like most men his age did a bit of everything). Outlet is working fine, though I only measured it for a few min.

>>683788825
It is, according to the recommended specs. I built a comp identical to this for a friend who lived on the other side of the duplex. Only difference is his PSU brand. He has no issues.

>>683789178
I'd go with suspect UPS.

Try your friends psu for awhile No ups, then with ups. See what happens .

>>683789330
The problems took a few weeks to start showing up, but I will give it a go.

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>>683789419
I dig.... But unless you wanna throw down more bucks, it's about the timeframe you've got to test it with.

Also, if he's got the exact same setup, sheesh, talk about control medium.

Put your psu in his, while you use his psu for awhile. Least you can judge accurately 100 percent if its ups or psu then.

>>683789709
If I put my PSU in his (if it's like last time) his PC just won't turn on, like mine now. But yeah it is insanely useful to have two identical PCs.

>>683789876
Rma psu again to supplier. Ask for credit. Purchase his exact psu with credit.

(Why did you only choose to differ the psu lol)

Smoke a fatty. You're victorious.

An APC UPS costs ~$150 at Costco. When you buy garbage like EVGA PSUs and MSI motherboards, always get the retailer to take responsibility for the whole PC; OCZ, Seagate, are all crap. AMD and ATI drivers are also bad. Use Enermax PSUs, Intel CPUs, Kingston RAM, Sandisk/Samsung SSD, WD HDDs and a well made case with your APC UPS.

>>683790095
My friend got a different PSU, I got the same one twice. He got a different one because it was on sale for black friday.

>>683790236
Asus, corsair digital-atx, baybeeeee.

Unnnnnff.

Sparkyfag here. You've got an issue with a bad/broken neutral connection on either your main neutral bar, or somewhere in your power circuit. Pay for an electrician to come check it out and quote a repair, but for now id suggest running an extension cord to another PowerPoint that's off a different circuit. You'll keep blowing power supplies for your computer if you don't get it fixed btw.

The reason why it's doing it is because capacitors are staying charged when it's off and it has nowhere to run back to(the neutral) unless there's load put on it enough to arc and complete the circuit.

Hope this helps OP. If you need any more info, send me an email (don't laugh, I've had it since I was a child) dayofthereaper at hotmail dot commmm

>>683790236
Intel is way to expensive for me, and the others came highly recommended. That and the PSU was far from cheap. I may switch to a APC UPS though, as I am thinking mine is crap.

>>683790286
I'd be barracking to get his same one then, whatever it is, it's clearly more stable.

>>683790431
I very well might. Man, /b/ is helpful as fuck today.

>>683790431
I'd agree, if he weren't on UPS and had also said that he'd ran three computers there fine previous.

>>683790538
From what people have said in this thread, the issue is not likely the PSU. I'm going to test the UPS by stealing my friends comp while he is not using it.

>>683790505
by whom? # of builds, # of certs

>>683791002
A local PC repair shop guy, and many, many reviews online.

>>683791180
Then why are you on 4chan, asking for computer help? That expensive PSU is cheap in quality, and PC repair shop guys have an alternate agenda. Buy Enermax PSUs for ATX PCs, no exceptions.

>>683791351
Doesn't explain why, save a few DoAs, almost no one ever had problems with that PSU. That being said, if the issue is not the UPS I will buy a different PSU, obviously

Sparkys again. Just read through the rest of the threat, sorry I completely missed the part with the UPS.

So. Here's the funny thing with UPS's. They don't put out an AC 240v, they have a pulsating DC output (you can prove it by testing P-N with a budget meter and getting 180-190v rather than 240)

Just wondering if someone with more computer knowledge would be able to tell us what kind of damage that could do to power supplies that don't support a pulsating DC input?

>>683790780
(90 percent of the posts have been me ;)

I'm torn between ups and psu. You've had two of the same psu and it failed over time, both times. It goes into other mates identical machine and doesn't work either.

Your test (without paying money) like I said, would be to take his psu, try it on yours on UPS,vs off ups. (yes I know , a long time, but if that's the contention, just buy his psu)

That will allow you to determine if it's genuinely psu. Or a shit ups.

I originally only went to ups because like I said earlier... It's a chain that you need to work forward thru by elimination.

You keep failing at the 4th link in the chain. So it's either the 4th item (psu, twice, unlikely no matter what brand)

Or its something before the psu.

Since the ups is a line filter, you can reasonably eliminate dirty power and number one in the chain.

That leaves number two or three.... The power cable itself, or the ups.

Common denominator says those are your two suspect items.

>>683791579
very interesting post. North American standard is 110V, from what I know Europe is 220V. Where is 240V AC geographically available?

>>683791579
I did not know that. Interesting.

>>683791907
Australia for starters :D

>>683791701
>(90 percent of the posts have been me ;)
I guessed as much, and you are awesome for it. And I guess I will try a new power cable as well, though I would think them being the cause is rare af. My e-mail is Ijustmadethisthe2nd at gmail. If you ever want something (steam game, or whatever etc. ) when I get some cash I will happily try and repay you. I'm also a pretty good sunbro if you need/want one.

Oh god sorry, 240v is New Zealand which is what I'm used to working with. The same idea is still applied with your lower voltages. Of course instead of 110v it'll be something like 80v you'd get instead.

>>683791505
buy a used Enermax PSU for ~$40-50. If your PC starts, return the EVGA garbage. If it doesn't, it's not the PSU. Plugging a PC into the wall would eliminate the UPS. The cable... doubtful, unless all required inputs are not being connected. Unconnected Molex connections on a motherboard can cause irreversible damage.

>>683791579
Also, a decent amount of PSU's are switchable between 110 and 220/240

Not that I'd solidly know, but I'd of thought if it can handle between 220 to 240 then dc spikes wouldn't deal a huge amount of damage.

>>683792329
A generic PSU connected to a top shelf Asus motherboard can fry components with even a tiny power spike.

>>683792087
Meh, s all good man.

I know that feel of wanting to play your box only to have a supply slowly die out, and spending months trying to figure out Wtf.

I spent nearly 4k on my machine. I was goddamn spewing bile those first four months.

>>683792257
A new PSU will (if it's like last time) let my PC boot up. The issue takes weeks to months to start. After some reading though I will try that brand. Used is a bit scary, but I will see if I can find one (modular pref, 1000+w)

>>683792600
1000+ W is likely overkill. There are online calculators that will tell you what you really need. SSDs are like 10W, goes up from there... Can you give me every part in the PC, with quantity? I could probably math it out quick for you.

>>683792447
Yeah no joke. Which is exaclty why I waited for mine to be rma'ed, instead of caving and buying a cheapie replacement.

I was coming more from the theoretical and putting it out there more so sparky could explain to me why I was wrong.

Sparkyfag again... I'd put my money on the psu not being able to handle the ups if it's cheap as everyone is saying.

Do you have any other expensive electronics plugged into the ups? If yes, and they don't have any problems, then it's got to be your psu that isn't able to handle the pdc current, and you already have your answer.

If not, then I would strongly advise testing it with just the normal PowerPoint without the ups in the equation, and see if it works fine -you can buy cheap and effective surge protection if that's what your worried about too.

And just a side note, when a ups shits itself in my experience of working with them, they usually just stop working altogether. I haven't had one case in the 6 years I've been an electrician that a ups has supplied transient voltages or harmonics to equipment. It's not to say that it hasn't happened before, but it would be incredibly rare since I'm pretty sure they're designed to open circuit when they fault.

>>683792748
If the thread doesn't die. One sec.

>>683792778
What I do now is, order all the parts for a new PC, and pay $40 system assembly fee. Yes I can do it myself, but ~10 hours @$4/hour is not appealing. Insist they update the BIOS and all firmwares, and install windows NT6 with no key, prior to taking delivery. If any of the above is rejected, talk to the shop owner, who will agree because s/he wants the sale.

Op you may have the system 32 virus look up how to delete it and you should be good

>>683793115
stfu, an intelligent PC conversion is taking place.

>>683792748
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130790
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113284
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130790
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233536

>>683793309
disk drives, removable media drives, video card, sound card, etc? I need all of it.

>>683793025
I still love building mine. Always have always will. I dig though. If I have a customer that doesnt mind me taking on my percentage on top, then I prefer prebuilt too. Who can be arsed.

But mine? That's a me build. Always me build.

>>683792970
The PSU isn't that cheap. EVGA has overall pretty good ratings. On a 1-10 I'd say the general opinion is they are a 6-7. Nothing else plugged in, save a modem. I can't test it as now it will never turn on, but I will see if another comp starts to die on this UPS. If so, I will take it off and test without the UPS.

>>683793115
Why would you recommend google? Just post the dos commands and tell me to make a .bat.

>>683793463
http://flash.newegg.com/product/9SIA5AD32F4747\And that's it. I may get a disk drive at some point.

stop clicking the wrong download button dumbass

>>683792109
omg her nudes are so sexy

>>683793463
And I thought I posted this, sorry if I didn't http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202164

>>683793823
Because there's a dozen seasoned techs in here troubleshooting someone who obviously isn't stunted like you two dickheads.

Go on, post that shit. You so clevar.

Alright, sounds like a good bet. My professional opinion would be that you should get the ups tested rather than potentially hurt another psu, but if it's the most efficient way to get shit done for you then by all means go ahead.

I'm gonna try get some sleep now, 6am here xD please, don't hesitate to chuck me an email once you find out which part was causing the problem. I'd like to add it to my history of learning knowledge and all :D good luck anon.

>>683794283
I don't know your email, unless you are dayofthereaper at hotmail dot commmm, get some sleep, and, if that is the right e-mail, I will. Always good to learn from other peoples issues. The PSU I am testing is, I am happy to say, very inexpensive. So I will roll the dice this once.

>>683794069
CPU: 125W
RAM: 4-5W per stick, say 10; double to 20W to be safe
Video card: 375W. Expect blue screens from all AMD/ATI products; buy NVidia next time.

that hard drive is a piece of shit, buy an SSD and install Windows on it. What you've told me adds up to 500-600W range. You would be totally fine with 700W, unless I missed something.

Yup! That's the one. :)

Sparkyfag out.

>>683794283
there is no possible way a computer not starting has anything to do with a UPS, if it still happens when plugged into a wall socket.

>>683794610
Never had a bluescreen with AMD and, for the price, it was better for RAM heavy games (I like modding the steaming pile of crap that is Skyrim) Thanks for the info though, it will save me a good deal.

>>683794845
VRAM*
Fuck.

>>683794737
The thought was the UPS fried the PSU, which is not, in all likelihood, not working.

>>683794610
Errr..... Amd is ati.

And the latest radeons are are fucking awesome cards they smash all of nvidias 9x series out of the water.

I haven't had a chance to play with a Pascal nvidia card yet thou. And cannot fucking wait, considering their price point.

>>683782914
have you tried turning it off and then turning it back on again?

>>683794845
wish I was as lucky as you... a full decade of blue screens before I said never again. It doesn't matter how powerful the engine is, if the steering wheel breaks weekly.

>>683795113
Again I, nor anyone I know (only 3 people so hooray anecdotal evidence) have had issues. Though if I had your luck I would swear them off too. It its not the UPS I am done with EVGA forever.

>>683795111
>have you tried turning it off and then turning it back on again?
>Problem: PC won't turn on
You're a clever one aren't you? (did make me chuckle though)

>>683795271
EVGA = Seagate = OCZ = McDonalds... made with the cheapest crap they can find
AMD/ATI... drivers not tested with Windows NT 6 Sysprep MDT/SCCM at all, 100% serious and confirmed

>>683795271
in case of 404, better say this now... good thread dude :) and good luck

>>683795496
I in no way do not believe you.I bought them because they suited my needs, were within my budget, and have never given me an issue (in fact the only GPUs I have ever had die on me were NVIDIA), I am not saying they are godly and awesome, just that they aren't crap.

>>683795113
You must be an unlucky bastard.

I'm not a fanboy of either.... I respect them both for what they are.

You pay more with nvidia. But you could argue "quality" vs price point. Although, I admittedly do love GeForce experience for ease of graphics setups now.

But ati always answers back, with lower price and bang on speed. I've never experienced quality issues, but if you recon you've gone ten years with errors with them (why didn't you switch earlier lol) than that'd be a hard argument to convince otherwise.

>>683795655
Man the dubs and trips in this thread.

>>683782914
Update your motherboards BIOS drivers. Worked for me.

>>683795655
Thanks. I just wish I had my bump-chan. I feel like a dick not giving something back.

>>683796034
UEFI not BIOS, and they are all up to date. Unless a new one came out today, since I can't turn it on and all that's not happening.

>>683796065
Seems you put out a thread that people are still sticking around in talking about pc's, on /b/ (and with little dickhead interference)

Even with your issues, people are enjoying it enough to chill. Maybe that was payment enough.

>>683782914
Power source.

>>683782914
I had the exact problem with mine but I'm trying for the life of me to think what I did to fix it. I have an idea I just went and bought a new computer because it was (apparently) the motherboard shitting itself. Shame as I had a lot of porn from an ex that was lost forever

>>683795818
I was against paying more, teenager and no money. I have not seen a single blue screen from any NVidia product after 15 years working in IT, or a single failed board. 1 Intel SSD died on me, 2 WD HDDs lifetime... but NVidia, man they can write a damn good driver

>>683796337
One can hope.


I feel like the thread is pretty much done, people have suggested what they can and I have to test what I can. But I did want to say /b/ is an awesome place. I've been coming here since early 2004/late 2003 when I was very underage b&. And this place has helped me and taught me so much. So on a final note, even though I sound like a broken record: thanks /b/.

>>683796065
pay it forward mate :) many helped me gratis over the last 20 years

>>683796467
You didn't just take out the hdd from the old pc?

>>683796467
Did the HDD die or something?

>>683796481
Okay..... Now your trolling. Nvidia are shocking with their drivers and code rollback is very common.

My last three cards have been nvida. But them making a good driver is a flat out lie.

Or shill.

Are you an nvidia shill ? :p

>>683796818
I am not trolling, and I have no ties to NVidia. Intel make good drivers, but their video chips are slow. ATI make fast cards that break a lot, like Alfa-Romeo sports cars. NVidia is the correct product to purchase for gaming computers, and Intel is just fine for Media center use cases. I have only my 20 years' of experience with this to back any of it up. These are my opinions I am sharing only, and I know others may disagree... but my 12 PCs at home all work with this formula:
Asus MoBo, Enermax PSU, NVidia video, Kingston RAM, Sandisk/Samsung/Intel SSD, WD HDDs. If you buy these parts only, and put an APC UPS out front, they will work for you until obsolescence.

>>683796818
I would be very interested to learn of an NVidia driver that was faulty. Specific driver version number, x86/x64, model number of card and manufacturer please.

>>683797376
Intel - internal chip based, not a gpu.

Nvidia - only are where they are because of 3dfx' early establishment and rallying the market around their proprietary platforms (gforce, physx, solidworks, hairworks, etc) developers pay them to use things.

Ati, is amd. They've always been cheaper, and always a bit more difficult, because lack of support (legally) for said proprietary platforms. So you won't end up with a perfect product.

And your specific mix for your pc's..... That's cool. You might have a good combo. But it's got nothing to do with particular pieces from certain manufacturers making an invinceble build. Anyone of those manufacturers could change any dozen of chipsets on any of those cards at any time during any given production run of those products.

It's more about having the correct speeds, ratios and speced pieces.

>>683797872
Can you not Google?

3.2x through to 3.43 were nightmares for me in particular. But there are literally millions of pages dedicated to nvidias poor code control.

>>683798584
Show me a blue screen, with error code. Errors yes, but not at the kernel level in NT 5/6 like AMD/ATI.

>>683798403
>>683798403
>It's more about having the correct speeds, ratios and speced pieces.

I disagree on this point. It's about the PC working every single time you push the power button; with default BIOS settings, and stock speeds, until the OS & software moves beyond the capability of the hardware.

>>683798989
Which will not happen if your machine has incorrectly speced pieces.

You can disagree.... But I don't see your point either?

>>683799322
what speeds, specifically? FSB/Mobo/RAM?

>>683782914
It could be something wrong with your electrical system, is your computer plugged into a surge protector?

>>683798822
Show you? Sure... Winced you asked so nicely instead of getting your hackles up.

Oh wait ... You didn't. You just want to defend your standpoint.

No, I won't show you. Because:

A. I dont have a picture of a blue screen. You go ahead and screen dump a halted kernal.

B. It was over a year ago for me.

C. There are plently of places on the net to find that shit. There have been plenty of instances where they Fuck shit up on driver release. Blue screen or not. Your product driver shouldn't be going to market causing errors. That's not the mark of a quality driver.

If your so righteous for your product, you can go do the hunting yourself.