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STOOP OPPRESSING US AND CONVERT YOU DAMNED ATHEISTS!!!!

>>681965097
So where did your God come from? Nothing.

Thought is matter.

>>681965097
I don't think that's how the majority of them see it.
There is so many things we don't know about this universe so I think its more just that they disagree it comes from spiritual origins such as a multiverse, or dark matter having a role.
I realise this was just bait but like debates on these kinds of topics if that's what you were actually looking for.

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>>681965097
So just to check do you think the world just popped into existence as is or was formed from an accretion disk of gravitationally compressed matter?

Christians literally believe there was absolutely nothing, not even empty space, and then 6000 years ago, an eternal magic sky daddy snapped his fingers, and suddenly, everything existed.

It's completely implausible when you sit down and think it through rationally.

>>681965097
>It's completely implausible when you sit down and think it through rationally.
Unless you take quantum physics into account

>think it through rationally
>god did it

>>681965097
Nobody made the universe, he is smart enough to make himself

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>>681965097
this is not atheists , this is a strawman arguments.

>>681965353
ded

Atheism is not beliving in god! religions are what ruins this world

>>681965097
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. At 19, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your post gave me cancer anyway.

>>681965900
not necessarily, it can be taken as an analogy

We a floating in a universe non of us are capable of understanding. A sad fact but a fact non the less.
Get over it. M'kay.

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>>681966238
What if God is the Universe himself?

>>681966890
excellent refutations, faggot. Nice to see religion has no actual response to relevant criticism. Please go back to your echo chamber circle jerks and shut the fuck up.

>>681966865
Bullshit. Without young earth creationism, then there was no Adam and Eve, which means no original sin, no need for jesus, and therefore, no christianity. Science and christianity literally can not coexist.

Come see me as soon as god has more power than a normal human being. We will be rich, sending out SMAN (Special monks and nuns) as special praying forces to respond to every criminals, prevent terror acts or whatever. We-will-be-RICH!
I dont care about the fucking genesis but hard cash.

>>681965861
Do you want him to drop kick the rapist or something. Grow up nigger

>>681966238
That's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard

>>681967194
Yea but his not. Your "God" is a fairy tale... End of.

>>681965097
And we all know Zeus made it. Silly atheists.

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>>681967488
Dubs of truth

Fuck catholics

>>681965353
He didn't make that argument. He simply undermined the scientific theory that is the big bang. Which holds that the laws of physics did not apply to the big bang.
>Laws of physics did not apply.
>Scientific explanation

Choose one because you can't have both. That would be contradictory.

>>681965097
No, those kind of topics are very much in the dark, we do not know that much as to come up with something really accurate. Therefore when asked "where did the universe come from then if God does not exiwt?" I simply respond with an "I don't know, i do not know and maybe i'll never know but i don't feel the neccesitiy of inventing an all powerful magic being to explain something i can't figure out yet".

Agreed Athiests are pretty pathetic. The huge majority of people on this planet believe in some religion. Lets also not forget that any worthwile s ience was either proposed, funded or advanced by some religious organization. Human Genome research is mostly funded by the Catholic Church.

>>681965948
Quantum physics is a religion at best. It's based on what's supposed to happen and not what the quirks actually do. Not science but rather more dogma.

>>681968686
Thing is though, these people actually refer to the scientific method to get the answeres they needed. They didnt just pray on it, or read their respective holy books.

Also, atheists typically dont believe that they're better than those who believe in a god. Those are anti-theists.

>>681965097
mass entering a black hole and then just DISAPPEARING is implausible in the same way, yet we know that is happening.

>>681966879
Don't try, wallow in ignorance, progress is for fags

>>681965097
Atheists are just Edgelord faggots trying to get attention; they are the equivalent of the virginfags on /b who claim "I think I know that girl" every time and amateur titty is posted.

>>681968579
Quantic physic's laws do not apply to you as a full human being and not because you can't swap places without following a path or changing your momentun like an electron does, does not mean in any way that quantic physics are not science, we simply are not sure of the conditions present on the initial lapsus of time.of this universe and therefore we do not know if the big bang is ruled by the laws we have discovered so lately after the universe was born.

>>681965900
You retarded ass atheist fags refuse to acknowledge the MERE POSSIBILITY that God could've been some powerful omnipotent Alien lifeform that pushed the evolution of mankind and visited us and performed miracles that were scientific in nature, but we saw as magic.

Fucking retards, and yes the 6000 years thing is ridiculous

There is only one God, and Christ Jesus is His Lamb.

>>681969363
Then you should state that quantum physics is not a science yet. It is rather a new development which breaks our entire scientific view of the universe. It shows us how little we really know and understand.

>>681968915
Same argument for feminism buddy

Those aren't TRUE feminists they're manhaters feminism is about EQUALITY

No it's not and atheism has become "anti-theism" just as feminism has become "anti-man"

>>681965353
Nothing made God, God has always existed

>>681969960
You're saying it as if atheism is trying to push across some message, as feminism is, but it isn't. Atheism simply means "no god" Anti-theism means "there is no god."

>>681970572
Nothing made the universe. The universe always existed.

Special pleading can work both ways.

>>681968579
The big bang theory isn't a description of the origin of the universe, it is a description of our universe evolving from an extremely hot, and dense state, to a very cold, and voluminous one containing many galaxies.

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>>681965097
I know for a fact that isn't how I see it. You just made that up when in reality that's more what the bible says because what was there before god? Nothing. No atheist actually thinks this way. NOT ONE.

>>681970708
But the difference is that the universe must abide laws, whereas God id beyond those laws

I didn't think that it needed to be explained. I thought that it was obvious

>>681970708

Technically true -- time wouldn't have existed before the universe, so it always existed.

sky daddy don't exist, stop trying faggot

>>681969638
>Creation of space, and time out of nothing
>Not supernatural

>>681965097
"Wow, that thing sure looks pretty."
"Undeniable proof that god exists."

>>681970929
Nothing in physics prohibits the possibility of an eternal universe (space-time).

>>681968818
A religion? It's necessary to explain the way particles behave and necessary for understand things like molecular bonding and orbitals.

>>681965097
>It's completely implausible when you sit down and think it through rationally.
Just like the universe was created in seven days but for the first couple of days there was no sun around.

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>>681965097
Funny how christians hate gays but OP is such a faggot

>>681971056
I think that is an illogical statement considering
these following argument points;
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>>681970929
verses the hypothesis of the big bang, which unlike the former argument has no backing evidence and breaks the fundamental laws of physics
It's just what the scientific community used in order to become separate from the church

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>The Bible is undeniable proof God exists
>The DC comics are undeniable proof Superman exists

kekm8, religions

>>681970926
Science wise, asking "what made the universe" does not make sense cause for something to create the universe it must have existed in a time prior to the existense if the universe, but with no universe, there's no time, there's no "before the universe", with the universe the space expanded and time flowed, if an entity exists, it was born from the universe or is.the universe itself what you worship as a sintient being that feels empathy.

>>681968579
Laws did apply. Look up higgs boson fuck tard

>>681965097
We definitely do have a creator. It just isn't the one our current religions say it is.
Prometheus was a shit movie, but with the right idea.

>>681968818
Wrong. One example of quantum theory being a success is our modern understanding of atoms.

>>681971012
that would have actually made that shitty movie better

Everything I need is sit and wait science to proof that religions are all wrong like it did before

>>681969940
Quantum mechanics is an extension of classical physics, you can't be serious here. It is completely necessary to invoke quantum mechanics to explain things like atomic orbitals, blackbody radiation, the photoelectric effect, molecular bonding and more. Information technology REQUIRES quantum mechanics to be true. Read a textbook some time.

>>681971527

>breaks the fundamental laws

It doesn't. ..

Energy expands and matter contracts (gravity) and since matter and energy equivalent, the net sum of the universe is zero, which abides by the laws of physics

>>681971606
But there are different religious books across the globe showing that many people experienced the presence of God and interpreted it in some form

try again

>>681971113
this

get a load of this guy and his completely racional superior ghostly magical being in the sky

the best religions are those like buddhism

>>681971900
where did that energy come from?

>>681971977

The same place from where matter came

>>681972159
Which is...

Hinduism FTW

>>681972213

A vacuum

>>681971910
>experienced the presence of God

If your God really wanted to show to the rest of the world, I think he would chose different way than burning his face in the toasts and forming himself from the hairs around dog asscrack...

>>681965097
And when you sit down and think rationally you come up with God?

Jesus Fucking Chirst!

>>681971977
If the net energy of our universe is zero, then the new energy can easily come from the balance of gravitational potential energy (negative), and currently existing matter (positive). Our universe could be a quantum fluctuation.

>>681971910
There are many different comic books about superheroes showing that many people experienced superpowers and interpreted it in some form

try again

>>681970708
actually, there is some sound scientific evidence that the universe has NOT always existed, and that it had a beginning.

>>681972285
>a vacuum
there is no logic in that
a vacuum literally means nothingness

>>681965097
>there was absolutely nothing, not even empty space
vExcept scientists don't believe this at all.

YOU believe it.

>>681965900
TOP KEK

/thread

>>681972453

Oh, good, you're learning

See

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if the Big Bang created everything, then what created the thing that created the Big Bang?

>>681965900
/thread

>>681965097
I believe that a previous universe existed and it got too big to support itself and collapsed in making the singularity that caused our universe to be made.

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>>681971910
But there are different an hero hotspots across the globe showing that many people experienced the pressence of an hero and interpreted it in some form

try again

According to Hindu philosophy, the universe (or multiverse) never came to be at some particular point, but always has been, always will be, but is perpetually in flux. Space and time are of cyclical nature. This universe is simply the current one, which is in flux and constantly changing, when it finally ceases to manifest, a new one will arise. An interesting parallel to these ideas can be found in the ekpyrotic model of the universe. This concept is also accepted by Buddhist Dharma.

>>681972340
The fact is that the majority of the globe believes in God, meaning that God has shown himself in some form to all of us
You must realise that you are part of a minority and that you have chosen not to accept him

>>681970929
>But the difference is that the universe must abide laws, whereas God id beyond those laws
You can't just assume shit without good reason. That argument is totally circular, I hope you know that.

>>681972439
this

>>681972570
vacuum

>>681972439
There is certainly evidence that 13.8 billion years ago space started to expand, but that does not mean time, or space had a beginning.

>>681970794
What the hell is this? You don't even address the major problem posed by the unscientific explanation of the big bang. Science is a method and not a body of knowledge. Many here don't know that.

>>681965900

using the term ''sky daddy'', is it you armouredskeptic?

also what he said. prove god's existence and we can talk. but dont start wars, genocides or rape children on the way. thanks.

>>681972570
Nothing, the Big Bang was the result of a buildup of pressure and energy, more than the human race can even begin to fathom.
No one knows what the events were that led to the release of the pressure, but to claim that a being created everything is ignorant on all levels.

>>681972831
>Many think so
>You have to think so because of that

Ao you point is, many commit sins, so you absolutely have to sin too?

>>681972570
We don't know. The most popular explanation, but not necessarily the best one, is that the energy came from a false vacuum decaying.

>>681965097
Your imaginary friend theory is way more valid.

>>681967523
What? That means the whole system is completely flawed.

The whole laying of hands to appoint succession down the line means squat if the appointed are kiddy diddlers.

Means that predecessors were just as fallible all the way up the chain.

>>681972773
Not the same hero
The idea of a person having supernatural abilities is nothing spectacular. However, the fact that accross the globe many civilisations have records of events caused by God of similar traits.
My point still stands here
>>681971527
I hope that you can see the light, if not then I tried to help you from eternal suffering

>>681965097
>sit down and think
>religion
Pick one

>>681966673
Hahahaha

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>be me, 6000 years ago
>float in dark nothing
>let's spice up things a little bit
>day 1
>invent the English language out of the blue and say "let there be light"
>there is a light
>day 2
>create dots of light, I shall call them stars
>day 3
>create huge ball of dirt, invent day and night cycle
day 4
>create lowest forms of life
>day 5
>create highest forms of life
>day 6
>invent two humans exactly the way I look
>"this creating thing is really exhausting, let's have a day off and call it a week"
>wrote a book about myself and how awesome I am
>mfw people actually belive this

>>681973071
I didn't because no one mentioned any, fuckass.

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>>681966673
rekt and kekt

>>681971813
It breaks classical physics, my friend. Like pieces of a puzzle that do not apply. It throws out classical physics at the quantum level. That's the major problem in physics today. They won't teach you that, of course not. Quantum physics is not compatible with classical physics. It marks a shift in the paradigm. Where did you go for your undergrad? UC Berkeley here.

I really have the feeling, that many people arguing for god think this:
>science not being able to explain everything makes god more likely
which is obivously bullshit. Even if the big bang theory is refuted all together, that doesn't make the existence of god ANY more likely.

>>681966673
Been a while since I've seen that copypasta

>>681970572
What utter bullshit.

>>681965097
Not at all. Atheism just means a lack of belief. There are atheists about the Big bang just like there is atheists about religion and everything else.

>>681969052
It doesn't actually dissappear. It just gets concentrated into a supermassive entity.

Religious devotion is utterly randomly chosen and virtually unlogical. The forefathers of the religious Christians were absolutely sure, the Roman gods/Celtic druids/neanderthal spirits were the absolute truth. The ancient Egyptian religion lasted thousands of years, much longer than Christianity exists. Why should, by chance, we have the truth today? Why should anyone know the truth about God? Out of thousands of Gods, which one should I pick to worship?

>>681973571
But there are many contradictions with the big bang whereas there has always been evidence of God.
Just try and be open minded

>>681969940
So it is science then?

>>681973474
I was the guy who wrote the post you initially addressed. Stated clear as day in that post you answered. Nice.....

>>681973401
An hero means to kill oneself. Go back to 9gag.

>>681965097theist believe that from absolutely nothing emerge a god, only one.
It's completely implausible when you sit down and think it through rationality.

>>681965097
And on the seventh day god created man. And on the eighth day he said....My Bad. So if the universe is a billion years old why didn't he make us sooner. We are not even a blip on the universe radar.

>>681973788
What contradictions?

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the earth is flat

>>681968579
Classical physics breaks down when looking at the very small, the very massive, and the very high energy. The big bang was all those things

>>681973740
Wrong. Atheism means is absence of belief in the existence of deities. From theios, Greek for God.

>>681966673
pasta

>>681965097
No. I believe that the universe refreshes itself. We know that the universe is expanding, yes? Recent observations have shown it is slowing down, though. This could mean in the future, it will begin to shrink again. This will result in a 'hyper deflation', or a reverse Big Bang. This 'Big Crunch' will condense the matter down into a single point, and then rapidly expand in a trillionth of a second, like the Big Bang. Thus the universe begins anew. Think if it as a balloon, filling up with air and expanding, then deflating, then expanding, and so on.

>>681973542

I agree with this guy.

Classical physicals = cause and effect, predictable behavior

Quantum mechanics = probabilities that nature will predict in particular way, but uncertainty

The modifications to the "classical theory" the other anon speaks of is probably the idea that we know dark matter must exist, because our observations of galactic movements defy the classical theory of gravitation.

>Learned this in high school.
>IB ftw

All religious people took shrooms and or psychedlics to have experiences of other dimensions or percieve "GOD"

>>681965097
Do you realize that this problem isn't unique to atheist?

>>681973840
You didn't mention "a major problem", fuckwit.

>>681973953
and so is your brain

>>681973828
I would call it a new development. It's appropriate. It calls into question many of the laws governing classical physics. So do we go with the new school and abandone a soon to be obsolete version of the world or give in to futility and try to make them coalesce? Which isn't going to happen.

>>681973953
ur flat

>>681973788
God and big bang are no "one or the other" situation is what I'm saying.

What evidence?

>>681973842
replied to the wrong comment
I meant this one >>681972409

and I am fully aware of the meaning

>>681973999
Break down implies the laws were not in place. No laws, no science to speak of.

>>681965097
You asume that all atheists have the same level of knowledge...

>>681973953
It actually pains me the fact that more people don't realize this
They can be so closed minded

>>681973542
UBC, majored in chemistry

>>681965861

>his own place of worship

Quite the assumption you're making there, friend...

>>681974123
Well now you know about it, faggot. Love your ignorance.

>>681969960
atheism is not a movement or anything and nobody chooses his own believe.

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>>681965097
>nothing made this thing
Except it was stardust being compressed at high pressure.
And our Moon was created by the shatter of Thea, a planet that crashed into Earth.
And guess what?
It all happened 4.6 billion years ago!

The universe always was.

it was just very condensed a long time ago

>>681965861
free will
The abusers will be punished unless they repent

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>>681965900
/tred

>>681965900

So then don't engage with Christians if you want to talk about God...seems pretty obvious.

Jew here. Can explain some kabballistic ideas.

>>681965097
You, sir, are and idiot.

Well, before there was no science we didnt know what the fuck this was, no we've been in space, now we know it's not just earth, now we have language.. we will eventually make our way to other lifeforms.. just not sure if we can hold this planet together any longer. A global peace needs to be achieved. Imagine what we could accomplish

>>681974560
> actually believes in free will.

>>681965097
It's a weird situation for me. I don't believe that the universe just appeared out of nowhere, but I also don't believe in any higher power.

>>681974451
You didn't mention "a major problem", so why don't you be clear so I can refute it, so you can go fuck yourself?

>>681974658
>implying that we are not free to make choices

>>681974773
that is is no way weird.

>>681965907

Your underlying premise is faulty is you think that argument holds any water. This is the type of logical fallacy I used to make back when I was an immature atheist.

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>>681965097
this is ether bate or you are a fucking inbred retard

>>681974847
how are you free in anything you do?
name one thing, anything that you yourself decide on and do.

>>681974810
/this
evolution is illogical

TL;DR

We all are too stupid to have the fundamental understanding in specific branches of science to be able to just imagine processes that out-stand our general perception, such as higher dimensionality or particle physics.

Yet we are smart enough to see that the simplest, stupidest concept, a God, is way too easy to be true. God is just a man made illusion by giving a normal person all attributes we dont have: Immortality, wisdom, power and sympathy(non native)


fuck you all.

>>681974782
I'm sure you are incapable of refuting anything, let alone the major problem plaguing physics today. Ah hahahahahaha hahahaha! But please do try.

>>681975048
Fuck religion.

>>681975002
I have decided to reply to this comment

>>681972453
>a vacuum literally means nothingness

Not in physics, it doesn't. Actual "nothing" is impossible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state

>>681975126
Let me get evolution straight;
we turn from a fish to a leged demifish to a monkey to a human
If I've got this wrong then please correct me however to my understanding I've hit it right on the head

>>681975153
you had the urge to do it, maybe to prrove a point.
i wouldnt say that was your free will but rather decided by who you are.
your current "you" is decided by your past, "you" cant decide "freely". to decide freely would be to not take your character or anything else into account, free will is madness.

>>681975399
No, ure just too stupid to get it. But might be the fault of US education system, sry anon.

>>681975278
http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/the-abcs-of-particle-physics

The universe is something.

Something cannot come from nothing.

So how did the universe come into existence?

There are two ways of resolving this paradox:
1) The universe has always existed; it is without beginning and end, and instead there are merely horizons beyond which we cannot peer.
2) The universe is mental in nature. A person may create entire worlds within their own mind, with the only constraint being the individual's own imagination. Thus the universe, and all its contents, exist within the mind of The All/God.

>>681975085
Wow, nice "major problem", I mean, you sure showed me ;^)

>>681975153
No know everything that has happened, is happening and will happen. God planned for you to make that comment.
You know God has a plan for everyone.
God created those starving children knowing they weren't going to ever get to know about God, and then die and go to hell.
He created insects who gets born inside other insects to then eat it while it's still alive.
God is a reall nice man

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>>681967523
...

...

...no?

Only our true savior could do that...

>>681974658
Of course we have free will, we have no choice.

>>681970708
>The universe always existed.

>>681975638
I did. Didn't I. A hahahaha hahaha!

>>681975702
the things that happen to us define us, there is no free will as the person does not decide freely who we are.
people dont decide to be atheists for example, things in their past forced them to this decision.
the same is true for religious people.
or why do you think do most people take on the "belief" of their parents?

>>681975588
See >>681973999

>>681975399
Two giraffes.

One has a slightly longer neck than the other, for genetic reasons. The longer neck can reach the very bottom of the nearby trees, and the shorter one can't.

The longer neck survives to pass on its genes, the shorter neck dies, and doesn't.

Next generation, the average length of the population of giraffes has increased, slightly.

Do you see how populations of things can change over time do to natural environmental pressures?

It's actually that simple.

>>681975896
Le epik troll bro xD

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>>681970929
>But the difference is that the universe must abide laws,

Says you.

>>681965097
Actually thats what scientists tend to believe, atheists just dont believe in a god... thats all.

You cretin.

>>681975588
>Something cannot come from nothing.

This isn't true in quantum physics, never has been.

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>>681976178

O rly?

Please provide citation.

>>681975975
Adaptation is not the same thing as evolution. And that scenario happens how often? I'm curious. You must know, right? Evolve means to turn into something different. The giraffe is still a giraffe. Just with a longer neck. Short people still exist don't they?

>>681968686
>the huge majority of people on this planet believe in some religion
Ah, the ol' "everyone is doing it so it must be good" argument.
What if I told you that everyone used to believe in a universe that revolved around the Earth? See, people used to believe in the geocentric theory, that the Earth was the center of the universe and that everything revolved around it. Then Copernicus figured out "hey, WE go around the SUN" and Galileo found concrete proof of this.

It's hundreds of years later and its ridiculous to imagine that the sun goes around the Earth, because we have the scientific evidence to back up the fact that Earth orbits the sun. Back then, you were crazy if you thought that.

Moral of the story: just because everyone believes something doesn't make it right. Scientific study and evidence makes it right.

>Human genome research is mostly funded by the Catholic Church
Oh that's rich. That's funny. The Human Genome Project was funded by Congress. https://www.genome.gov/11006943/human-genome-project-completion-frequently-asked-questions/

They don't mean it like that

There was a balance in all the forces of nature, nothing was happening everything was in check everything canceled out, there was nothing.

Then some imbalance caused another great imbalance causing space to form and matter to form and space kept on expanding n Shit

And now we're here

>>681976178

Fuck you, that's not true. Don't spread myths that diminish a less intelligent observer's faith in the Creator.

Quantum entanglement, for the win!

>>681975588
We know shit about that.
Theres so much stuff that we cant see but its still there and theres a lot more to discover and further to validate!

Humans are made to dominate the earth and not to understand the universe... Still we all want to understand it really bad. Ambitious humans.

>>681975399
That's a super simplistic way of addressing it. But you're in the right neighborhood. It's more like bacteria that floated around in different climates adapted differently to their surroundings. Eventually multicellular organisms developed, and undoubtedly many of them were unsuccessful abominations, but some did succeed. Then some multicellular organisms developed eyes... etc.

The whole process is like a huge web of trial and error that spans a very long time.

>>681976288
These guys can barely handle "mainstream truths". You are dealing with mental midgets. They have no idea about the Hermetic laws let alone the Emerald Tablets.

>>681976329
>Adaptation is not the same thing as evolution.

>Sure, you can walk five steps, but walking ten miles is impossible!

Dumbass.

>>681976288
>Please provide citation

Okay: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/something-from-nothing-vacuum-can-yield-flashes-of-light/

#rekt

Stasis asks merely for itself: which is nothing.

>>681976466
>then from the flames they came
>and found the souls of lords within the flame

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>>681976329
>Adaptation is not the same thing as evolution

>>681976329
Adaption, over millions of years, gets you completely different organisms.

Adaption and evolution literally are the same thing.

>>681975924
That was actually a Christopher Hitchens quote. Just one of his small funny jabs.

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>>681965097
Yes and believing in magic and invisible man controlling things is very rationale.
If you're belief is soooooooo strong why does it bother you so much if we don't?

>>681975153
>He actually thinks there is free will in the presence of an all powerfull & almighty being.

God also was created by nothing, so whats the big deal?

>>681976654

haha, just an article in a science mag that has "american" in it
>close to apexlol

rekt urself and showed that you have no idea of science

I was thinking about the belief in evolution. Millions of years of creatures evolving as normal, then suddenly we come in the scene and are able to dominate all forms of life and destroy the world in fractions of a million years.

So we are 'more evolved' than anything has ever been. There is no reason given for why humans are so far above the evolutionary chain, nor is the idea of white people being higher in evolutionary terms than blacks (that is not talked about by evolutionary theorists).

>>681976654
Rekt, lol. My point still stands. Define evolution and then define adaptation. Not the same thing now is it?

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>>681977111
Trips of truth also I counter god.

>>681965353
/thread

>>681965097
>nothing

But accumulated dust and rock made it..?

>>681971910
then why is hunduism wrong and only the bible is correct?

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>>681965097
It's aliens that made us bro

>>681965097
bait was never so clear

>>681977110
Kangaroos got across the Indian Ocean how?

If those fuckers could hop across the Indian Ocean, in a trip that would have taken MORE THAN 40 DAYS, why the fuck couldn't they just hop in circles instead of going to the ark?

>>681976873
And you know this because you were there observing all this for millions of years? Fuck off. Bullshit is bullshit.

>>681977501
Kek so irrational someone has taken science for a class.

>>681977591
*not

>>681977398
Because a handjob from a four armed goddess sounds great?

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It's hard to defend religion when Islam exists.

Even harder when people say only their religion matters.

>>681977591
No. It's called thinking for yourself. Try it sometime.

>>681973953
well in bible, it says earth is a circle, so it must be flat!

>>681977729
Then I need no god then.

>>681976654
>virtual particles can become real photons
>"This work and a number of other recent works demonstrate that the vacuum is not empty but full of virtual photons,"

A virtual particle is something. Therefore, a virtual particle becoming a "real" photon is not a case of something from nothing.

>>681977786
Who said anything about any god's? What are you, stupid?

>>681965097
Actually if you study physics beyond what you slept through in high school you'll find that all sorts of things your embarrassingly concrete-only thinking brain can't wrap itself around are not just possible, but happening right now as we speak.

The first drink from the glass of science will make you an atheist, but God is waiting for you at the bottom of the glass.

>>681974810
actually thats what relitards beleive
floating sky daddy claped his hands and everythign came to existance

as opposed to

millions years of adaption, natural selection and mutation to shape up the living beings.
that is evolution.

>>681977941
We are arguing over religion, moron. Thats what this whole thread has turned into. And your completely stupid for not taking any science class caveman.

>>681977236
http://arxiv.org/abs/1105.4714

Here you go, the actual experiment that this article was based on, in a real scientific journal.

How are you going to plug your ears and sing "LALALALA!" this time, cunt?

Something CAN come from nothing.

This entire argument is based on a false premise.

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>>681977398
Because it says so in the bible!

Atheists can make fun of themselves and the religious cannot. According to the rules of 4chan, atheists win.

https://youtu.be/e2vvvO912YA

>>681978151
This quote was saying how one can come to appreciate nature as one would appreciate God.

>>681978188
Dubs for truth. Published in "Nature," no less. The single most cited and respected scientific journal, period. OP truly was #rekt.

>>681977714
islam is more legitimate than christianity, at least their prophet existed irl (and was a pedo rapist warlord as a matter of fact)
jesus didnt even existed, its just ancient legends re-told

>>681965097
>Atheists literally believe there was absolutely nothing, not even empty space,

No they don't.

Also sage.

>>681978188
From the abstract
>One of the most surprising predictions of modern quantum theory is that the vacuum of space is not empty.
>not empty

What was that about something from nothing? Sounds a lot like information from information to me.

>>681969940

Are you retarded? I guarantee you don't know jack about Q.M. Solve Schrödinger for a particle in a radially symmetric potential box or something simple like that.

The world would be a much better place without religion!

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you faggots fell for the bait.

gg OP

>>681978695

I think you failed to understand the concepts in their entirety, and are grasping at straws because physics is hard and contradicts your belief in magic.

>>681978164
I have a degree from UC Berkeley. You know, that place with cutting edge scientific research? Hardly a caveman.

>>681966890
kek

>>681978695
Did you miss the part above where I linked the wiki page for quantum vacuum.

"Nothing" doesn't exist, because it can't, but quantum vacuum is as close as the universe gets to it.

>the vacuum of space is not empty

Yes, because SOMETHING is constantly coming from NOTHING.

That's literally the point of the experiment, and the article. Read it again, fuckwit. It's proving my point, not refuting it.

>Atheists literally believe there was absolutely nothing, not even empty space.
We know for a fact that matter and antimatter annihilate each other on contact. The theory is (not really, but kinda) that in reverse.

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>>681965097
This bait op ask yourself this who do you think wrote the Bible man! who created God man! Why to control sheep like you!

>>681979114
>"Nothing" doesn't exist
>SOMETHING is constantly coming from NOTHING

way to contradict yourself.

>>681978942
Well you never said you took a class on science in the first place but thanks for taking awhile to say that you did.

>tfw the multiverse theory is correct and universes are connected through black holes

>>681971527
kek,
dont know if bait, but ill bite
there are literally particles moving to the past/future in front of our eyes(we cant actually see them, but they have been observed). photons act irrational when not observed. and mass just appears sometimes
these are facts, not theories
the universe in reality is even more ridiculous than some god who created everything.
and if you say that "this just proves that god exists" i swear to god, ill find you, rape your mother and burn your house down with physics books as kindling

>>681965097
Incorrect. I'm atheist and i believe that the universe has always been with no beginning or end.

>>681965097
>implying you have to believe the big bang theory to be an atheist.
>implying a singlualrity is "nothing".
>implying time was a thing pre-universe and that there even was a "before" for "nothing" to exist in.
>implying you need to know everything about the origin of everything to rationally not believe in (insert god/creation myth here).
>implying implications
>troll/10
>gr8 b8

>>681978803
Have I stated anything that was not true? Does it not break classical physics? It's a shift in the paradigm, faggot. Get with it you mental midget. Where did you get your fucking degree?

technically you are correct, atheist are fundamentalist that believe that the universe give itself its existence. if there was a starting point in the universe, how could it have created itself if it didn't existed previously.
atheism not only goes again science (since they have never experimentally proved their claims) but they go against BASIC FUCKING LOGIC.

if you are not sure wether god exists or not, you are not an atheist. but if you state, even though there is not a single experiment to back you up, that a being like god (in the philosophical sense) does not exists, in the whole of reality beyond your senses, because you find the idea laughable, you sir a fundamentalist idiot.

>>681979237
In the grown up world, words sometimes have more than one meaning.


Not a contradiction, retard. Quantum vacuum is NOTHING is the physics sense.

"Nothing" in the philosophical sense doesn't doesn't exist, and literally can't, because it constantly produces virtual particles and even light.

I swear to God, winning an argument with a smart person is hard, but winning an argument with a idiot is beyond impossible.

>>681979684
interesting, i have always pondered that idea, is there any scientific evidence that points in that direction??

I was unsure of what i believed but then i read this flame war and everything has become clear

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Why cant we all just accept that we don't know for sure what caused everything to exist?

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>>681979954
>doesn't doesn't exist