>>681108148
you forgot to mention that most college-age bitches still have the maturity of the average adolescent. sort of defeats the purpose of consent laws

shameless bump. I want to talk about this /b/

Come on, give me your thoughts.

>>681108148

Girls at 15 and 16 still have developing brains.
They cannot consent at that age, therefore it would be statutory rape.

"In New Jersey, the age of consent is 16, but individuals who are at least 13 years of age can legally engage in sexual activities if the defendant is less than 4 years older than the victim"

Some states have it right imo. The 4 year rule makes sense for youngins

i would rather have consent laws as in usa because i have buthurt that others have sex with 15yo and i do not have sex with 15yo

Age of consent in my state (Indiana) is 16

>>681109075

13, 16, and 4 are all just arbitrary numbers. There is zero sense.

>>681108713
THIS

This is the main reason why the feminist movement turned into one big fucking joke, dude.
Most 18-25 y/o girls act like they are 5. There ARE exceptions, but the vast majority are basically missing a chromosome.

>>681108957
Other countries have this age of consent. Their brain is developed enough to know weather or not they're balls deep on a potential life changing mistake. Same with the other party involved. If you're 20 and willing to fuck a 16 y/o you have to know what you are getting into.

>>681108957
nigga your brain is always developing

test

so, as a non-American, I ask you guys

>Is the problem that 15yos are as mature as 18yos?
>or that 18yos are still immature?

If permission to have sex were determined by a factor that isn't age, what would you determine it to be?
And how would you test for that factor?

>>681109242
Not that arbitrary if you think about it. 13+4 is 17 so you would be just short of fucking a legal adult if you were 13 banging someone 14-17.

16 is the minimum age to bang any age. I think that's probably the lowest I would want my daughter to be before choosing to fuck some crusty 40 year old. Don't have children yet though

>>681108148
>>681108957
The age of consent in the UK is 16. Why is the US so repressed?

>>681109581
like half the states have age of consent at 16 with many exceptions for those set at 18. its really because America is full of fucking pedophiles.

>>681109489
You can't. That's the problem. As individuals, however, we should the freedom to make mistakes. The age for consent is only there to give children a jumping off point to fuck up their lives. But this jumping off point is too big right now.

>>681109327
This too

>>681109181
were those words?

>>681109581
It is led by a bunch of aged republicans, most of which are totally sold that there is nothing better than traditional values.

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>>681108148

There is no nationwide age of consent law. States are free to pick their own age of consent. 16 is the most common age of consent.

>>681109319
well, yeah. its all a big fucking mess. women are immature as fuck until they reach their 30s but my that time they usually have 3 kids from 2 or 3 different guys.
the same applies to most guys as well, so it all doesnt matter and age of consent is illogical as canned cheese.

>cougars are where its at.

>>681108148
have a daughter than post again

Its 16 in Kentucky...i think...

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>>681108148
The legal consent age in the large majority of first world countries is 16. Notable countries that have between 14-16 are England, Germany, Russia, Iceland, Poland, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Greece, Norway, Sweden, Scotland, China, Japan, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Greenland. All well known countries.

Basically the only ones that are 18 is the US, Central African Republic, Egypt, Ethiopia ,Liberia, Nigeria, Republic of the Congo, South Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda, India, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Pakistan, Turkey, Afghanistan, El Salvador, Haiti. Need I say more?

Places like Germany, Russia, Sweden, Iceland, Poland, Switzerland, Belgium, France, China, Japan, etc had 14-15 as the age.

The ages in this list are as they are stated. They do not have close in age or Romeo and Juliet clauses. When these countries say 16 for example is legal, it means they have the rights to consent to anyone of any age. Countries like America like to tell you a few of there states have 16 but it's not truly right because they always (In America) attach a close in age rule which states you have to be within 3 years or so of 16 for it to be considered legal, other countries do not have this. The first world countries that have lower age of consent laws have come to that conclusion by consulting medical professionals such as Doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, sexologists, etc. Countries that have 18 - 21 come to that conclusion because of 'feelz' rather than any actual expert opinion.

>>681109738
You can make that argument with every other country. Pedophiles are like roaches.

>>681110009
I guess I wasn't specific enough. I live in one of the red states.
Guess which one and I'll give you a golden star.

>>681109242
laws are always an approximation to justice

>>681110174
if youre a father then you probably think your precious little girl shouldt have sex till shes like 28. thats pretty much what i see from most fathers with girls

>>681110009
Except most states have clauses... Which first world countries with AOC 16 or lower do not have.

>>681110265
America confirmed third world shithole.

why stop at 15? Why not like, 12?

>>681110174
>I have a daughter, therefore the world must bend over my will and desire to keep her safe from the filth and the thread of other males.

>>681108148
It's 16 in most states.

The age of consent is 16 in most states, though I do agree it should be in all of them

>>681109976
well, if you don't have a better idea to age, then if it were up to me I'd remove the age of consent entirely... Personally, if they're old enough to ask, they're old enough to know.
HOWEVER I'd also make sex-ed classes mandatory. i.e. literally no sex until you've passed the class and understand how reproduction and stds work.

basically
>no age of consent, any age is fine
>but person having sex must have passed sex-ed class
in lieu of maturity, I'd let knowledge and curiosity be the determining factor

>>681110422
TBH the perfect world would be one where you can go at it so long they
1) have grown breasts
2)had their first period

>>681110528
Yes bud, most have already pointed that out and moved on.

>>681110528
see
>>681110265

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>live in the shithole that Romania is
>age of consent is 15 but used to be 14
>tfw this thread

>>681110478
op suggested 15 as the age to fuck anybody. if he had had a 15 yo daughter he would not think so. end of story.

>>681110806
all romanians are prostitutes or potential ones so it doesnt really count

>>681110853
why don't you just determine the age of consent to be ([your daughter's age] - 1)
keep your precious babydoll safe forevermore from those evil, evil men that are obviously all out to get her because she can't decide for herself

>>681110286
California?

>>681110853
Cocaine addicts want cocaine to be legalized.
Pedophiles want stigma against child porn to disappear
And over protective traditionalists don't want their daughters to get fucked cuz mah jeebus book.

>inb4 stfu and see the bigger picture, faggot.

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>>681111032
Nah, not all of them. I think we have as many as any other country would have.

>>681110265

underrated post

>>681111183
Almost but shittier and farther to the east.

Brain development. You fucking idiot.

>>681110357
Which is horrible. Things like these are the reason why so many girls develop daddy issues.
If I had a daughter, I'd teach her to be responsible and careful. Teaching her that everyone who finds her attractive is a threat to her, and that she should save herself preferably until marriage will only make her a confused bitch: "I have sexual feelings, but daddy says that's wrong" - "sex is wrong, every guy is a perv".. And so on.
Of course, people are able to break out if this, but why not teach them to be self-aware and responsible right from the beginning?
The very same goes for boys as well, obviously.

>>681111669
Its already 16 in most of the country/world so this argument is both invalid and fucking retarded

>inb4 idiot calling out someone

>>681111125
my precious babydoll actually gives me head every other day so it probably isn't the best example

>>681111412
the other ones left for italy, to be prostitutes there

>>681109976
>were those words?
???

>>681111794
its a line to walk. i think waiting till marriage is acceptable but it ultimately has to be up to the person if they are willing to wait. it cant be some law set in stone, it has to be sound advice. iron handed parenting is devastating (personal experience on that)

i think parents forget what they went through growing up are just assume the world is so radically different now that they have to shield their kids from nearly everything

>>681111794
'daddy, I want to get married'
'but but you're 15'
'its ok dad he's a muslim. anyway nothing you can do bout it, im 15. bye'

>>681112458
her life her choice (her terrorist baby/husband)

most us states have it at 16 but some states have It as low 14if there's No more than 2 year age difference until the youngest participant is the age of 16 and or 18

>>681111867
>other countries
Those countries are fucked
It's not even debatable wether or not the brain is still developing at that age. It is. It's potwntially taking advantage of someone if you are older and/or pedo and have a kid consent. It's still a fucking kid.

>>681110686
guys I feel like my post needs more agreement ._.

Considering that maturity is untestable and varies person to person, and age is not the best factor for determining maturity either, knowledge is the next best factor isn't it?
Have a classroom schedule whatever plus tests and exams created and reviewed by doctors, scientists, pediatricians, anyone relevant basically.
If you pass the test, prove you understand the consequences of sex, you're free to enjoy sex... right?

>>681112077
... nice. How old is babydoll?

nah, you really don't understand the consequence of your actions at 16, leave it for later

>>681112598
so, she 15, you give up being a dad?

>>681112668
.... Most states too.

Are you fucking retarded?

>>681108148
...says the 30-something who is all butt hurt that he can't legally bang a 15 year old

>>681112693
she is 13 actually. been doing it for a few months

>>681112693
I agree... OP here btw, that'd be a good solution of sorts.

>>681112693
testing an one in a standardized fashion
its worked so well so far.

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>>681112240
Those don't even know how to speak Romanian anymore, they like to think they're Italian.

It's actually pretty funny when they come back to visit their friends or family. A few weeks ago I saw one specimen in a store. She didn't even know how to ask for a water bottle. Not that I really care about this shitty dying language, but it just goes to show how "Italian" they've become.

>>681113071
is the trend ever going to change? I mean given how only dogs are left behind it must be tough

>>681112668
Where is your fucking brain and why has everyone ignored the only post in this entire thread with actual facts and information?

see
>>681110265

>>681112668
So... the good countries are "Central African Republic, Egypt, Ethiopia ,Liberia, Nigeria, Republic of the Congo, South Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda, India, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Pakistan, Turkey, Afghanistan, El Salvador, Haiti." etc

and the bad countries are "England, Germany, Russia, Iceland, Poland, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Greece, Norway, Sweden, Scotland, China, Japan, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Greenland."?

Fuckin' LOL'D

Go back to middle east you muslim faggot.

>>681113051
THANK you. age sucks as a determining factor. we need more knowledge.

>>681113052
that's why I say doctors and pediatricians and child psychologists etc. I absolutely hate classroom lessons that have been created and approved by people NOT professionals in that field.
My teacher, after 4 years straight of me (politely) questioning the relevance of his class in the field I was being trained for, told me after graduation that his lessons had no relevance... that lesson was taught only because a board of directors approved it.

>>681112998
I mean... morally I should disapprove that... but hell, I can't stop you, and I'd love to have a girl of my own anyway...
What happened to your daughter's mom, tho? Presumably you two are married and still together?

>>681109319
I don't know man, I did some pretty stupid fucking shit when I was a teenager. And I was a skinny loser boy whose only hope of sexual contact was rubbing my cock against my bed every morning.
If I'd been a hot chick who could fuck anyone I wanted just by saying "let's fuck" I would have ended up with an STD, a baby, or an abortion, without a doubt.
I get that 18 is kind of arbitrary but when you think about the science behind mental development and the realities of our society then it makes a lot of sense

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>>681113297
Nothing is ever going to change in this country. Everything is slowly rotting away and nobody is willing to do anything about it.

There's only two roads ahead of us. Either the gypsies are gonna turn Romania into India and create designated shitting streets everywhere or the ruskies will lube up our assholes and take us from behind. Either way, it's not gonna end well.

>>681113853
males have different sexuality than females

>>681110357
I have a daughter.
I know she's probably going to be having sex when she's in high school, maybe even in middle school.
Course I'm going to make sure I try to educate her as best I could -- always use a condom, etc. etc. all that shit.
I really don't mind if she's fucking some boy in her class or whatever -- kids experiment, as long as she's being safe and he's not an asshole I'm relatively cool with it. I was doing the same thing at that age.
But I'm glad there are statutory laws because I don't want some predator dickhead in his 20s -- who DOES know better -- taking advantage of the lack of mental maturity that a teenager inevitably has.

>>681113853
>Disregards all the information given in this thread that every single first world country except the USA has a age of consent that is 16 or lower, anyone who is 16 can consent to anyone else over the age of 16 no matter how old they are yet still defends "mental development of people under 18 isn't as high as others".

LOL.

>>681114155
yeah, I didn't read anything but the OP. so fuck off.

>>681114111
Then why does every other first world country have AOC 16 or lower? A 16 year old in any other first world country can consent to anyone else as long as they are OVER 16. The US has similar laws to third world countries.

>>681114257
If you can't even use your small fucking brain then don't bother commenting. Why would your input have any meaning if you can't be bothered to read any relevant information?

>>681113731
you just pointed out my point
doctors, pediatricians, and child psychologists are no better than teachers. they entire system is too political and ultimately governed by the ignorant and most vocal.

logically the only way to determine age of consent is puberty. if biology says youre old enough to procreate then any other argument is invalid.
the problem with that is it requires GOOD involved parenting which is painfully lacking in most societies today.
basically there is no goo way of dealing with consent laws. i would argue that the best approach would be to adjust sentencing for violating current laws.
a man who fucks a willing 15 year old shouldnt be treated the same as a man who forcefully rapes another person.

>>681114111
doesn't that mean... you acknowledge the law, acknowledge that your daughter might probably break that law, and you'd approve of it as long as the guy is not a jerk...
therefore the law becomes a circumstantial weapon based on if you're okay with the kid...?

I mean, I understand wanting to protect your daughter. But agreeing to a law then bending it to your own desires... well...

>>681114522
>the law becomes a circumstantial weapon based on if you're okay with the kid...?
what is wrong with it? daughter is his property and he decides what to do with his property

>>681108148
Try being a britfag... Age of consent is 16 but legal age to watch porn, take pictures, send explicit messages is 18. Always stories of kids at high school getting into trouble not knowing that even though they can fuck, sexting is illegal. Never made sense to me (apart from it protects them from exploitation I guess?)

>>681111579
Florida?

>>681114111
thats a hard assumption that a guy in his 20s in a predator while a 16 year old guy is just experimenting. do you honestly remember when you were 16?? maybe you didnt quite know fuckall but that doesnt mean fucking as many girls as possible wasnt on the menu.

>>681110265
based

since what age can someone watch legally porn in the usa?

>>681114494
you're technically correct (the best kind of correct) but we're still a society, and we all agree as a society that things like unplanned pregnancy and STDs are bad, right?

I'd agree with you that puberty is a reliable baseline. However, puberty does not take into account knowledge of risks. Presumably a pre-pubescent child has little interest in sex anyway; therefore the next determining factor is if you understand what you're getting into.

And that would be determined by those trained in the field, doctors etc. Not sure about politics tho...

>>681113731
still married but live separated.we had her when I was 18 and she 20

>>681114727
you do have a point there... parent of the child etc yeah I suppose. I mean I don't quite agree with your usage of the word "property" but thinking it over, I would default to the opinion of the parent anyway. good point anon...

>>681109075
The 4 year rule is a little too lenient, for me. 13 year olds probably shouldn't be fucking 17 year olds.

Law for youngins should be similar to the general rule for adults. Half your age, plus seven.

when i was 12-19yo I fucked 11 girls ages 10-14, all consensual and no regrets.

>>681115355
MOOOOOODS

>>681115097
then the flow of question starts...
Does mom know of this?
Is mom okay with this?
Does babydoll understand what she's getting into? (i.e. did you teach her about STDs and pregnancy and protection)
Does babydoll have sex with others or tell others about it?
would you be okay with babydoll having sex with others or telling others?

like where do you draw the line? at 13 it's generally agreed to be too young

>>681108148
In many european countries the age of consent is around 15.

I say if it's on the clock it's ready for the cock.

>>681115058
i dont have an unplanned child or an STD
i wasnt stupid which sadly means i was left on the sidelines. as a society we agree those things are bad but as a society we also punish those who make smart choices and reward dumbfuckery and then ridicule the consequences of said dumbfuckery without taking advantage of that opportunity to spread knowledge.
its a mess. horrifically broken.

puberty alone doesnt take knowledge into account. thats why i mentioned the parenting aspect of it. proper parenting is where the knowledge of risk ought to come from.

>>681109075
This.

>>681115672
how about parenting lessons then? There are many things in life I think should be lessons but aren't. sex, parenting, taxes, dealing with death, a few others.

you think it's possible to implement parenting lessons as a compulsory to have children?

>>681109075
No, they have it wrong. A person should be able to consent to anyone they wish, just like in any other first world country you faggot.

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it is in some states...girls just wanna have fu-un.

>>681116068
i think a parenting class would be more useful than half the shit taught in public education.
gun safety should also be compulsory (USA) but since EVERYTHING is political either will be shot down well before any reasonable discussion can be had.

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>>681116068
FUCKING STATIST

>>681110009
Bs. Wisconsin is 18, with a reduced penalty for those at 16 or 17 years old. Anything under q6 is a class C Felony, anything in that varrying range is a class A misdemeanor.