>>680859708
Fuck u faggot no one gives a shit kys

>>680859708
fake and b&

>>680859708
So?

Kill yourself my man

Walmart is having a sale on bleach.

Bernie is just a fad. Do some research and see if you still feel like he is a good presidential candidate

why does every bernie supporter look like a genetically inferior beta male?

You even old enough to vote faggot?

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>>680860980
No its me>>680861002

OP must be new here, 4chan is trump country

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>>680859708
What happend with your long hair dude? I thought you said u was not gonna cut it. You broke a promise.

>>680861754
this has potential

>a small pepsi at fucking taco bell is now $1.79
CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT 15/H MINIMUM WAGE GUIS!!

>>680861754
saved for a ylyl thread

>>680860884
>>680860980
>>680861273
>>680861331
>>680861660
>>680861802
faggot

>>680861754
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST REDUCE YOUR PICTURE RESOLUTION

>>680861996
>I want people to work for shit wages

sure asshole

>>680861873
I made a promise to my grandma which entailed cutting it
>>680861802
Trump is my 3rd choice

>>680862225
>Trump is my 3rd choice
in case Clinton gets v& after the nomination?

>>680861754
Yep, that's your typical Bernie Supporter alright. Some 18 year old greasy faced fuck who doesn't understand jack shit about economics.

>>680862358
No jill stein is my second.

>>680862450
like you do

>>680862201
>Doesn't think prices won't go up with country-wide minimum wage hike

sure dumbass

>>680859708
y u cut ur hair fagget also trump for president

>>680862524
um, a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Trump

you might as well cut out the middleman

>>680862201
Shit jobs that require no skills should pay shit wages. Who in their right mind wants to pay 5 bucks for a taco so that some burnout with no marketable skills can "earn" 15 bucks an hour?

>>680862548

what other crap do you feel like making up?

>>680862728
I know she wont win but its a matter of principle.

>>680862526
I understand the basics, which is enough to know that Socialism has never and will never work.

>>680862826
Actually most minimum wage jobs are high demand, so no
they aren't "shit jobs"

you want people to be paid shit, let's talk about that

how many elementary schools have you shot up?

>>680862879
Define Socialism

>>680859708
Oh look a bernie fanboi

>>680862866
What is? Supporting a party that doesn't even have their shit together enough to raise as much money as Sanders?

The Green Party's a joke faggot. Go straight to fucking Trump and ask for his cock.

>>680862970
Zero

You must be 18 or older to use this site.

>>680862879
>Socialism has never and will never work.
so you don't know and you've chosen to post like a cringing idiot who thinks he does

kind of what I thought

go back to where you came from and get shitted on by r/shitpost

>>680862995
wait anon has to go over to /pol/ to check

>>680863082
Will consider.

>>680862948
Sounds to me like somebody in here has never worked in fast food....

>>680863318
Seriously wtf is wrong with you?

If you really went to the Sanders rally he told you that a Democrat needs to be in the White House.

You are voting for Hillary if she gets the nom. Don't even talk shit.

>>680863295
/pol/ is almost always unable to define socialism

>>680862450
>implying he's old enough to vote

>>680863374
so you're saying there are no high volume sales in fast food? That cars don't line outside drive-thoughs and that the top 5 fast food corporations don't make record profits?

What on you on faggot?

>>680863215

higher wage=lower quantity of labor supplied.

you can't just go from 7.25 to 15/hr, you're putting up a giant barrier to entry and therefore putting a lot of people out of work. basically, if you don't already make 15/hr or more then your job is not guaranteed. doesn't sound fun, does it?

>>680859708
Fuck Bernie. The only reason this stooge has even gotten remotely close to spitting distance of the nomination is because Hillary Clinton is such a shitty candidate. Even a mediocre candidate like Kerry or Dukakis would have buried this asshole and locked up the nomination months ago.

>>680863577
actually I'm guessing they define it as "communism"

>>680863511
Consider the following. I support his candicacy but I dont agree with 109% if what he says. This is one of those disagreements.

>>680863737
no

but you want people to be paid shit wages

let's just go there
none of your other shit is sticking

>>680863821
It's basically the gateway to communism

>>680863876
Did you even read my post? I'm not considering shit. You're the problem here, not me.

>>680863945
The higher the minimum wage, the higher the prices crawl, you delusional moron.

>>680863947
no but you're the gateway to faggotry

>>680864185
Nice try, OP

>>680862948
high demand actually makes it a shit job when it's an easy job to do. If anyone can do it then why pay a lot of money for someone to do it?

It's basic supply and demand really.

>>680864145
>I want people to be paid shit wages

we heard you the first time

>>680864321
Wasnt me

>>680864185
actually that's a real definition in Webster

"a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done"

>>680863945

a 7.25 minimum is already a barrier to entry in the first place. you have a guy, lets say he dropped out of school in 8th grade. he can do extremely basic math, he has little social skills and can't stay on task. he'll be frequently late, probably decide some days that he doesn't want to go to work. someone like this isn't even worth 7.25, but hey they might be worth..i don't know, 4? 4.5?

not everyone is equal. you know why they're paid shit wages? because their job is something that every person on this planet can do. if you want a good paying job, go get fucking educated. and not in something retarded like lesbian tap dancing. go learn a real skill and be useful.

>>680864367
>supply and demand
minimum wage jobs make someone a lot of money
so no they're not "shit jobs"

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>>680864554
what the 10th definition down?

fucking cherrypicking faggot

>>680864589
doesn't matter

if you are working a job that makes your employer a shit ton of money, you should be paid accordingly, not as expendable help

Jesus you faggots live in the fucking Dark Ages

>>680864589
This faggot gets it.

>>680864554
You ignore the other definition.

>>680864677
>implying that makes a difference
>implying it's not in the dictionary
>implying its not a legitimate authoritative definition

actually its only the third

exaggerating faggot

>>680859708
why is it you enjoy making threads and talking to pedo faggots?

>>680864554
you're a fucking faggot

socialism is "public ownership" of basic services

and in Sanders' case we are talking about Roosevelt era New Deal type social policies

Jesus fucking christ I thought the Red Scare died out with McCarthyism

>>680864981
you picked the "definition" you wanted to serve your anti-progressive agenda

congratulations faggot

>>680864915
no he doesn't
shit on yourself

Cool man. I was stoked when I saw him too.

>>680865262
>implying socialism is actually progressive

>>680859708
Where have I seen this faggot b4?

>>680864831

you are being paid accordingly. bagging groceries is not hard. microwaving frozen food is not hard. moving carts is not hard. taking orders is not hard. waking up on time is not hard. scanning shit is not hard. carrying food is not hard.

you know what else isn't hard? improving your shit life to get away from shit work.

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>>680863945
>implying minimum wage is a shit wage

shit for what? being a living wage?

do you think that every job is supposed to pay living wages?

not only are minimum wage increases going to displace a shitload of workers, the increases are going to totally fuck over tons of small businesses.

inb4 LEL IF U CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY A MINIMUM WAGE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A BUSINESS.

and then you're left with all the mega corps that you faggots cry about.

>>680865510
>implying you aren't a Teabagging Trump Humping mouth breather

>>680865568
keep missing the point faggot

op should post cock

>>680865582
>do you think that every job is supposed to pay living wages?
eventually, yes

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>>680864590
it's really simple (which means i don't expect you to get it)

you have an easy job
anyone can do it
everyone wants a job
no one is going to pay very much money for someone to do it because the labor market is flooded with people
this is called supply
there are less of these easy jobs than there are people
this is called demand
when supply exceeds demand price falls
in this case price is wages
wages fall
thus, the job is shit because it pays shit
but good luck making manager

>>680865659

oh we get the fucking point, faggot

you think that every retarded job ever should result in a living wage.

how about we just let employees dictate how much they're willing to work for but either working or not working. if someone is willing to work for peanuts then let them.

>>680865609
Sorry for wanting people to follow immigration laws. Sorry for not wanting to give more control to the government. Admit it, you're a cuck

>>680865694
I second that.

>>680865882
Yeah it is simple

you pay people decent wages

and don't spend all your time justifying why people shouldn't be getting them

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>>680859708
Holy fuck you look like a beta faggot.

>>680859708
Jesse?

>>680865927
what are labor rights?

>>680859708
Do you have a sexy shit-hole?

>>680865964
I third that

>>680864972
you don't really understand how a dictionary works do you?

just because there are multiple definitions that doesn't make any of them invalid

>>680865928
actually you're the one making apologies for racial profiling

>>680865882
Well, all of that is true, but it JUST ISN"T VERY NICE, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT WAY.

>Sums up the progressive arguments in this thread

>>680866194
Asking the real questions

You looked better with long hair, you could've been a qt trap.

>>680865659

lmao wut. so how long you do something determines how much it's worth?

>yo dawg, i've been mopping floors for 30 years. i get paid $25 an hour for it. good thing i never finished highschool and i'm about as smart as the water in my bucket.

>>680865928
right you don't want to give more control over to the government

but you want to build a wall and use force to keep Mexicans out
and then you want to violate people's rights because they might be Muslim terrorists

you faggots sure don't think straight

>>680865928
So you are are a Trump Humping mouth breather?

Wow I'm shocked to hear.

>>680866246
When did I say anything about race?

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>>680865138
>samefagging this hard

and McCarthy was right, actually

>>680861754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9S7KLfCrs

>>680859708
What's in the pill bottle back there Gavin???

>>680866424
Once again, a job like fast food makes the employer a shit ton of money.

You want to pay someone shit wages for selling a product that is in high demand.

You keep forgetting this.

>>680866447

>implying anyone who is anti-bern is pro-trump.

>>680866560
how the fuck do you think Trump is going to expel 12 million illegals

how the fuck is Trump going to figure out who's a muslim terrorist?

Skin color faggot

>>680859708
I liked you better before you were a commie.

>>680866073

and people lose their wages completely in the process cause you can't pay all of them anymore.

so thoughtful and progressive!!!

>>680866727
how much the employer makes is irrelevant.

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>>680865262
>damage control
>quoting party propaganda
>being this mad
wait, maybe you really don't understand how dictionaries work

>>680866566
>actually
you're an edgy faggot
>McCarthy
was a paranoid drug addled power tripper who violated people's Constitutional rights like it was nothing

something you clearly feel comfortable doing yourself

>>680866447
I'd rather not endanger my own people for a group that I've never even met. And I want the wall to keep drugs out. I've had two of my best friends fall to meth and other drugs. They've never been the same. Now obviously, that wall isn't going to keep all drugs out, but will cut down on the amount, and that's good enough for me.

>>680866769
you are

any vote other than Clinton is a vote for Trump

that's what you're doing stop talking shit
we've been through this over and over
there is no 3rd Party in the US

>>680866073
yeah it is simple. you're a little socialist faggot who wants to tell everyone what to do with their money.

if you want money for all the lazy dindus and dropouts then go write them personal checks.

>>680866952
keep making up shit faggot
like Trump you are clearly a pathological liar

being a progressive liberal democrat in 2016:

>hate christianity because MUH TOLERANCE
>love and embrace the most intolerant and violent culture CURRENTLY on earth, Islam

who's got more?

>>680866976
actually is relevant

the claim was made that fast food is a "shit job"

it is a job that makes a company a lot of money

>>680867306

try reading a basic economics college textbook.

or like, any book on economics ever written.

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>>680867235
>any vote other than x is a vote for y

ultra-retard nigger logic.

>>680867008
says the faggot who thinks socialism is "a gateway to communism"

I wouldn't be throwing around the term "damage control" so loosely

>>680859708
that makes you less valuable that remaining anonymous

>>680866702
His estrogen pills, he's clearly transitioning

>>680867170
>And I want the wall to keep drugs out.

because you can't smuggle drugs into other countries using other methods I dunno like air, rail, trucks, etc

nice bit of logic there

>>680866904
Do you squash the bug that is in your sight or do you wait for more? You get rid of the ones that you know of, not all of them at a single time.
Keep them all out until ISIS is no longer a threat, and the migrant crisis is over.
And in any case, why should we let them into our country? How exactly does that benifit us? And no, I could care less about their lives. And I'm not trying to be "edgy" either. I simply do what's best for my own interests.

>>680867295
What's this, the intro to Teabagger 101
kek

>>680867441
try not making bullshit claims you can't prove faggot

oh too late darn

>>680867543
more?

>>680866702
Adhd meds

>>680867514
It is simple logic

you vote Trump to spite Clinton you get more votes for Trump

what are you on faggot

>>680867985
Sure just violate people's human rights in your quest to "squash" ISIS faggot

your faggotry writes itself

>>680868007
what's this, people who aren't old enough to vote give political opinions day?

>>680867846
>Implying I give a shit about other countries.
Why stress myself out with things that don't concern me?

>>680868320
but enough about you

I'll bet you think taxation is theft and that global warming is a hoax Al Gore came up with
Jesus you're so fucking predictable

>>680868293
Human rights? It's not their right to be able to come here for free. And I don't give a shit about the ones already here, they're not causing problems.

>>680868364
so you can't refute the criticism that your stupid wall won't stop drugs from coming in, better switch to just hating on people in foreign countries

you're all over the place faggot

>>680868542
>I don't give a shit
pretty much the problem here

you don't care about treating people like people, they're "beaners," right? "Shitskins."

Just pour it all out. You'd be so much more honest.

>>680867523
He isn't the one denying a definition.

>>680868802
I am denying someone cherrypicking a source to come up with a definition that suits his paranoid agenda, absolutely

>>680867235
what if they don't vote you stupid fuck?
get off the bong bernout

>>680868646
Like I said, it won't keep all of the drugs out. It will keep some out, and discourage others from trying to get them in that way. And yeah, I don't want people coming here illegally. Anyone here legally has to pay taxes. So why should illegals get a free pass? I thought you retards were about "equality," yet you miss that aspect entirely.

>>680868950
It's still a definition you moron

>>680868981
if you don't vote, you are taking away a vote that could have elected the Democrats.

>>680868770
I don't even care about my family members that I don't know. It's not about race.

>>680869251
That goes both ways you fucking idiot

>>680869228
The accepted definition of socialism is "public ownership"

it does not mean a transition to communism

stop defending shitheads

>>680869407
Lmao

>>680869307
then I hope you have health insurance because you need therapy

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>higher wages leading to less labor supplied is now a "conservative myth"

my sides

>>680869465
Why don't you compare and contrast the definitions of socialism and communism?

>>680869345
no it doesn't
Republicans turn out and vote
everyone else makes excuses like you do not to vote and the Republicans win

>>680869251
You arent taking away votes from either party you dumbass because they wernt there to begin with. So by your logic if you dont vote you are also taking away a vote from a republican which means it cancels out still. Please don't reply, you lost go back to the bong like I said.

>>680869465
Yes, but socialism's original definition is the state between the end of capitalism and over to communism.

>>680869642
Why don't you stop believing right-wing propaganda about what "socialism" is?

Then maybe we could have a real discussion.

>>680869571
I would rather not feel sad when people die, that's why I only concern myself with my friends and colleagues.

>>680869658
wow pathetic response, such a fail.

>>680869765
>socialism's original definition

from Merriam Websters
FIRST entry

a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

says nothing about communism

stop lying faggot

>>680862995
This should be good..

Every fucking thread about politics, some insufferable cunts make out like socialism is a political party or something.

>>680869783
Propaganda? I'm not even listening to any of that. I'm simply researching what it is, and comparing it to communism. If the shoe fits, wear it.

>>680869966
Do you even know what Marxism is? Socialism originated from Marxism. God you're fucking stupid.

>>680869749
No dipshit. Republicans vote.

Liberals and recovering lolbertarian types like you often pretend there are options like 3rd parties and independent candidates.

Subsequently the votes that should have gone to the Democrats aren't there, and the Republicans win the election.

I really can't make it any simpler. We'll see if you continue to be a huge faggot about this or not.

>>680869965
the truth is "fail?"

you're high fagot

>>680869966
Now compare that to the definitions of communism.

>>680870232
Thank you.

>>680864145
Why do you automatically draw this correlation? It seems logical that increased minimum wages would cause inflation but looking in the past when minimum wage was increased there has never been a correlation between increased wage and increased commodities. Unless of course you are referring to the few cent increase in the price of the product at the establishment where wage was increased. Not like I care I make way more than minimum wage, but I do believe that all people who put in work should be able to live a baseline decent life.

>>680863737
Actually, the USA could very easily do it.
You'd have to be clinically retarded to think it would be impossible, and you also have to be in denial if you think the current wage is even close to being acceptable. What makes me laugh most, though, is how some people have actually managed to be convinced that you don't deserve a living wage. Like wtf? Are you people retarded?

>>680870237
Where in your drug addled mind are u making up all this shit I dont even vote democrat holy shit you are retarded.

>>680870383
There is no comparison. Paranoid faggots like you stifle attempts at social progress by insisting everything leads to communism like we saw in Soviet Russia or North Korea.

You have zero credibility in a discussion.

>>680870564

>the USA could very easily do it

so explain why it could

>>680870590
No you are either not voting or voting "3rd party" which is basically the same thing as voting Republican.

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>>680864589
Don't you think someone like that might be more inclined to stick at something if he wasn't constantly fucked in the ass for shit wage? I work 40 hours a week and I barely have anything left whatsoever at the end of the month. After tax, rent and other necessities, I have less than $50 to spend on myself.

But that's okay! I'll just smile and get on with it.

Also I have two bachelors degrees.

>>680870232

You stupid fucking paranoid faggot

The origins of socialism as a political movement lie in the Industrial Revolution. Its intellectual roots, however, reach back almost as far as recorded thought—even as far as Moses, according to one history of the subject. Socialist or communist ideas certainly play an important part in the ideas of the ancient Greek philosopher Plato, whose Republic depicts an austere society in which men and women of the “guardian” class share with each other not only their few material goods but also their spouses and children. Early Christian communities also practiced the sharing of goods and labour, a simple form of socialism subsequently followed in certain forms of monasticism. Several monastic orders continue these practices today.

>>680871028
Nope-- to anon, if we take care of the basic problems like wage inequality, everyone's going to suddenly become lazy and our society is going to stagnate and go to sleep.

>>680871028

sounds like you went to college for something retarded. also, i don't give a fuck how much money you don't have to spend on your shit. it's not my concern nor anyone else's. you fucked up your own life, it doesn't mean we have to pay for it.

>>680870564
Agreed, whenever I hear conservatives ranting against wage increase I just automatically assume they are saying "but those poor will now be able to afford to live somewhat comfortably! Thats not fair cause now I think it will raise the prices of everything else and I worked really hard to become senior vice editor at my construction job and they didnt its not fair!!!!"

>>680871340
yeah a good public education is totally "something retarded"

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>>680870779
I don't know. Maybe use some of the money that is allocated to bombing people for it?

Apparently, Military budget is worth 54% of the whole pie. That is $598BN.

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/campaigns/military-spending-united-states/

I don't know where to begin with why that's retarded. Spending nearly 600 billion dollars a year on the military, but not paying your citizens enough to eat and have a roof above their heads is categorically retarded.

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>>680861754
So who will you vote for? Trump or Hillary

>>680871613
Not that anon but we spend almost as much as the military and social programs on subsidies for business.

The question is, does a multi-billion dollar company need government assistance?

>>680871806
where's the argument in this?

>>680864589
Seems to me as if this is more based on your opinion that poor people are shit and don't deserve anything, rather than any sort of actual economic facts....

>>680871806
this

I don't get it when faggots argue that people should be paid shit

why make the 1%'s arguments for them?

>>680871340
1st Bachelors - Major in computer programming and software development

2nd Bachelors - Business administration and management.

Going back for a masters in programming, but even then it's still all worthless. I am basically just paying $122,000 per year so I have a huge unpayable debt when I die, which will be soon at this rate because If this is what life has in store for me, then I actually don't want to waste time living it.

>>680859708
I saw Bernie in STL, GJ, dont listen to these filthy fucking niggers who want Murica to go down hill

>>680872079
shit
not that anon but you mega qualified for big $$$

is it because there's too much competition in your field?

>>680871993
because every time someone wants to raise wages some faggot says everything is going to get more expensive and that we're going to get runaway inflation, which is bullshit

it's fearmongering that keeps people down

>>680859708
Didn't you use to have really long hair and a communist flag?

>>680872143
not OP but I'm a Bernie supporter too and if he doesn't get the nom we are still going to have to keep Trump from being elected

>>680872007
Yes, if you are shit you deserve shit

>>680859708
>>680861754
Thanks Lori

>>680872231
It's because a degree can't make you a good programmer

>>680872772
who the fuck are you to make that call

>>680859708
please give this bozo a gold star

>>680872447
It's a basic economic principle

>>680873008
yeah but you got taught how to!

Yo Gavin, your computer fixed yet?

>>680872231
You'd think so, anon. But apparently not.
I am not trying to brag or anything here, but I am smart. I've worked hard my entire life and I have always done very well in school. I maintained a 2.0 for a good few of my semesters, and even went out of my way to do as much extra curricular shit as possible. Public speaking, Spanish speaking were two things I did in my business class because I was told they'd "widen my net".

Fucking bullshit. It's all a scam. That's all it is. I have a total of $244,000 debt for degrees that should be very valuable, and yet I can't even get a fucking interview at a dollar general.

Life is not what you make of it, at all. I'm losing hope, and there are thousands of others in my situation.

>>680873081
Yes it is basic economic principle

I provide a service that makes my employer a profit

I should be paid a wage that is comparable to the current cost of livng

>>680873027
So you think if you cannot contribute anything to society because you gave up, you deserve as much as someone who worked their entire life to build up their skills?

>>680873188
Yeah but you're so far ahead of what I've got in terms of training.

You're not refusing jobs? Are you going to all the major job boards?

There's no reason you aren't making at leat 50K and that's bottom level for your shit

>>680872772
very convincing argument, a true man of the world, quite the dandy if i do say so myself

>>680873239
You are given a wage based on how much your employer needs you. If he only needs you to flip a burger, he doesn't need you enough to pay you any more.

>>680873008
True, and in all fairness, I went back to school again because as much as I did well on paper, I didn't enjoy programming. It's extremely tedious, and our class skipped about with different languages for a long time, so you never got to settle on anything other than Java and C++. I did quite well in programming, but I didn't really enjoy it. I was the only girl in the entire class too, and the rest of the students were exactly what you'd imagine

>>680873322
it's a two way street
while people should motivate themselves to be successful, labor and business need to be updated to meet 21st century needs.

We do not live in a feudal society or in a Charles Dickens novel.

>>680873621
yeah he actually does
you are working full time to make his ass successful

the wages need to be raised

>>680872447
raising wages excludes low poor workers and puts more pressure. It also causes more pressure at work because companies expect you to be more productive because youre now twice the cost before the minimal wage.

So what will companies do? hire more qualified workers because they can do the job better than the low qualified workers, they have less time to adjust and get experience on the job.

consequences of this? the low worker got fired, he ends up having no job, having to ask for welfare, means the taxpayer has to pay for his welfare, meaning taxes going up because more and more low workers are having no jobs.

SOMEONE POST THE COMMIE FLAG PICTURE AND MAKE A .JPG OF BOTH...SAY ITS OBVIOUS BERNIE SUPPORTERS ARE COMMIES. RUIN THE VOTE

?????????
PROFIT

> typical bernie voter

ahahahafaggot

>>680873081
Yes economics has principles, but a majority of the time these events are not predictable. Its much better to use history as a predictor. And with minimum wage increases, there seems to be no correlation that general cost of living will increase, other than maybe a few cents extra for a burger.

>>680873926
If you don't like what he pays you, quit. The fact that he is willing to work that job means that is what the market sets the rate at. Your employer is not forcing you to work for them.

>>680873621
and then what about non-burger jobs like being a paramedic?

Why would you support someone working that hard making shit wages? How is that a fair exchange for services?

>>680874021
cool story bro

>>680873443
Not at all anon, I haven't even been offered an interview. I'm talking to the professors about a potential internship, which sounds shit, but honestly at this point I don't even care. I can get a meaty $3 per hour if I do an internship at a local branch at General Electric, doing networking shit. It's bad too because out of all modules, networking is by far my weakest subject.

>>680862009
this

>>680874108
Yeah quit---blame the victims instead of demanding labor rights be overhauled to meet modern day needs

>>680874186
fag.

Bernie is the only one making any sense.

>>680874250
>$3 an hour doing an internship
the FUCK?
why can't you just get a job in an IT department and get a salaried position?

>>680873621
Apparently you have never worked in the food industry. Most food workers are required to incorporate various skills beside just "flipping burgers"

>>680874441
do those water buckets ever get heavy

>>680874114
You are not paid based on how hard you work, you are paid based on how special your skills are. Anyone with basic skills can become a certified paramedic.

>>680859708
>>>/out/

>>680874186
And this is what socialist's arguments tend to break down into

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>>680859708
RECENT QUOTE FROM SANDERS:

i used to fuck Trumps mom
she'd come over every once in awhile while her kid was staying at college.
she'd get naked as soon as she came in, put on her favorite song and start fucking me while crying. she said the song reminded her of raising her child, and motherhood. she told me it reminded her of how much she missed her child. it made her and me cum buckets.

this was the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVI4Knz24CQ

>>680874604
doesn't answer my question

why are you content to pay a highly-skilled paramedic minimum wage?

these should be LIVING WAGE jobs

>>680874683
>Fuck Fales
faggot

>>680874350
Quitting and striking IS how you demand more money. Business owners have a right to run their business as they see fit just as workers have the right to leave.

>>680874544
Skills that any person can easily obtain. Have you ever seem anyone quit McDonalds because they couldn't acquire the necessary skills?

>>680874682
and let me guess
socialism has never worked and leads to a communist dictatorship

faggot

>>680874505
I wish I knew the answer to that, anon.
They only want experience. I've applied for over 100 proper positions in 2016 and only two people even responded. One of them was for the G.E internship that I was 'eligible' for, and the other one was to say I was not successful lol.

The system is totally, fundamentally broken.

>>680859708
Oh snap, how you been bro? Long time no see!

>>680874742
There is a simple solution, don't be a paramedic. Of you don't like the pay, don't take the job. If everyone did that, the wages would go up due to demand.

>>680874861
faggot you must be one privileged motherfucker if you think one worker has any say over what he should be paid

the only way it's going to get better is through legislative reform, deal with it

you're basically justifying why it's going to go down that way

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>>680859708
Not to be bogus but u look like u suck dick lol and your dicks probably huge, and uncut

>>680875256
Typical fucking conservative bullshit.

You actually only prove my point further.

>>680875105
It's definitely stacked against you, but I wouldn't give up. In fact, anon, I would pay someone to be a headhunter for you. Seriously, your skills are in high demand. It just sounds like you're stuck trying to find opportunities, and believe me they're out there knowing what you know.
Best of luck. Pay a service to get you a job.

>>680875277
Oh, I don't have a shit degree and had the same opportunity everyone else in the US has to get any job I wanted. Yeah, fucking privileged.

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>>680862017
Same fag no one cares about your stupid communist leader.
Come back when both of you have learned economics.

>>680875256
Right. Blame the victim again. Walk away from it, it's you, not them. That's all you fucking conservatives do.

>>680875423
How exactly do I prove your point? Saying I am conservative doesn't mean I'm wrong.

>>680875521
You're so out of touch with real problems though. For your sake you'd better make more than 60K and not be some poorfag voting Trump.

>>680875604
So the victim is the paramedic that knew full well they didn't get paid well and took the job anyway?

Unless of course someone held them up at gunpoint and forced them to be a paramedic.

>>680861002

*urself

>>680875807
I never said I liked Trump, he is a retard.

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i refuse to read 240+ posts.
can someone give me the tl;dr of this thread?

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>>680862995
Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production, as well as the political ideologies, theories, and movements that aim at their establishment.

Meaning the government owns everything, but at least you get to work "for yourself"

>>680875836
No shithead. The paramedic is the highly skilled individual who should be making about $20 an hour instead of $8 based on his qualifications and hard work.

Your solution is to ignore there's a problem and blame the victim, not demand accountability.

>>680875631
see
>>680875604

Tbh aside from your views. (which are so misguided that it's beyond funny), but aside from that, I'm just getting a general cunt-ish vibe from you.

Why don't you want paramedics to earn a decent wage? You know, some people get into certain jobs for actual reasons other than money. I knew a guy in school who went onto training to become a paramedic, and he genuinely just wanted to help people. He didn't have the shit needed to be a doctor but he had good intentions.

>>680876068
>Meaning the government owns everything,
meaning public ownership

now granted if we had a shit government like Bush2 "owning everything," we'd be kind of fucked, and it would be our fault for allowing it.

You can't have successful public ownership without public participation.

>>680876078
This breaks down into whether you think someone deserves a wage based on pure work or supply and demand, so this isn't really going to go anywhere between us. I don't think football players deserve millions, but it's what the market has decided they get.

>>680861331
Because they're all cucks

>>680876119
>your views. (which are so misguided that it's beyond funny)

oh so common sense values are "misguided" to you

k