I honestly don't no he has my vote

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I dunno I like him

Take this shit to /pol

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Well let me see...

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>>678071397
Lets make this really simple. He tries to garner votes of young and stupid people by promising free shit left and right. Most of his supporters are high school and college students who treat their vote as a financial plan even though they have no idea how economics work and that his ideas are far fetched

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>>678071397
he's a C U C K

>>678071829
Is this a subjective view or the generally accepted consensus? If true this is really interesting. What free shit is he promising? If health care, hopefully the people realize that you'll pay taxes on it. That's how it works up here

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>>678071829
ikr

what a cuck

>>678071966
>trying to use cuck as an argument

Opinion: discarded

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i'm a hillary supporter. The issue with bernie, trump, and cruz, is that they don't really have a cogent argument for why they should be president, they just tell their supporters what they want to hear.

In the case of Bernie, it's that corporations are responsible for your woes. Trump has foreigners. Cruz has the government.

>>678071397
coercive, oppressive, regressive cuck who would govern over the biggest multiple recession if not depression and cuckfest in US history

>>678071397
because most of /b/ doesn't know the glory of a socialist future

>>678072381
Interesting. Thanks!

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>>678072100
That is the view of the right wing. Their party has been feeding them horror stories about ~socialism~. Pretty much equating socialist with Nazi/Communist.

A lot of people have accepted this worldview, and consistently vote against their best interests.

Not saying the left is much better, but that's besides the point.

>>678072639
>because most of /b/ has some sense of economics and sees why Bernie's stupid plans will never work

>>678072100
What these young people dont realize is that free shit like healthcare and college is gonna raise taxes through the roof. They dont see both sides and sanders only shows them the "everyone's gonna get free shit" part of the pucture. We live in a capitalist world which rewards hard work. Wanna go to college? Work hard for a scholarship. Want affordable healthcare? Dont be a dumbass, buy health insurance.

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>>678072381
What's Hillary's cogent argument for why she should be pres?

>>678072197
he.... doesn't have the faintest idea how to create jobs though

>>678072731
>>678072882

Thanks guys. It seems that if people generally bought into Bernie's plan, it /could/ work. It doesn't seem too viable, though. How liberal is the left wing in the states? We just elected Trudeau up here, and he's been great so far. Not too far left.

>>678072381
And Hillary is corrupt as fuck. I want Trump because of his healthcare reform, not "muh immigrants" or whatever.

>>678072100
2 main things off the top of my head

>free college
going to cost billions if not trillions of dollars, reducing the overall quality of higher education over time and encouraging stupid decisions to be made (eg. #2374623 feminazi doing her eastern gender studies degree) not to mention making it impossible for employers to tell if you are actually intellegent/educated or you just got a free degree from bernie.

>doubling the min wage
going to assfuck the economy as people are going to be twice as unemployable as before. Prices of goods will go up, housing etc will go up as landowners have to pay more for goods, and nothing is achieved

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>>678072100
Everyone is the US is split. Those with a dream, a lack of economic understanding, and light pockets will vote for Bernie. And you need to understand, most people who are voting for him are young. They mostly still life with their parents and have little, if any taxes. Economy isn't a required class in school anymore. I'm grateful I learned that everything, even the best free stuff, will have a negative repercussion in some way.

>>678072381
>i'm a hillary supporter
>they just tell their supporters what they want to hear

0/10

>>678073219
Thankfully not as liberal as sweden. We still have a lot of liberal nutcases like the ones who forcefully blocked the road to a trump rally

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>>678073219
Compared to Trudeau,the US left looks like the far right.

>>678073342
>free college
in the very unlikely chance this old fuck gets put into office, I hope to God this never fucking happens.

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>>678071829
>>678071966
>>678072409
>>678072815
>>678072882
>>678073342

The most extreme wage disparities are between the heads of large American corporations and typical workers. This figure tracks the ratio of pay of CEOs at the 350 largest public US firms and typical workers in those firms’ industries. In 1965, these CEOs made 20 times what typical workers made. But as of 2013, they make just under 300 times typical workers’ pay.

>>678073219
>not too far left
seems like people forgot "it's 2015" already

>>678073032
Didn't you know? It's her turn!

>>678074171
Who fucking cares, how does this tie into the rest of his retarded "free college" "free healthcare" "free everything" scheme?

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>>678071397

Mainly because he bends over and takes it from every cancerous SJW group imaginable.

>>678071397
4chan attracts right-wingers because society at large doesn't allow them to speak their minds in public.

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>>678073573
>And you need to understand, most people who are voting for him are young. They mostly still life with their parents and have little, if any taxes

And the people voting for Trump are rednecks that fuck their sister and dropped out after 3rd grade.<

It's more productive to try and understand the point of view of the other side, than to cast them as evil/incompetent.

>>678072882
How is single-payer healthcare going to raise our costs through the roof? It reduces overhead costs that are within for-profit companies

>>678071688
/pol/ is broken. Completely overrun by Trumpfags and other degenerates.

>>678074453
>It's more productive to try and understand the point of view of the other side, than to cast them as evil/incompetent.
>And the people voting for Trump are rednecks that fuck their sister and dropped out after 3rd grade.
are you blind to the irony?

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>>678071397
Because he hates his country.

>>678074342
It ties in by saying these people have created a wage gap and increased poverty with their greed so by taxing them more the government can provide education and medicine for the people who need it because of their shitty jobs

>>678071397
as a candidate:
>knows nothing about economics, panders to young people with no jobs (and people with no jobs in general)
>policies include: free stuff, more free stuff. Dont ask where it comes from, just vote for me!
>tax plan means an income with ~50k loses $150+ more than before on a biweekly basis

as a person:
>unkempt, ungroomed, hunching, senile old man would be an absolute embarrassment to represent the free world
>lived off welfare for most of his life, hasnt had a real job until becoming a politician. Never achieved anything in office except renaming 2 post offices
>Racist as fuck, thinks white people cant be poor and thinks blacks who dont vote for him must just be ignorant and dont know whats good for them

>>678071397
Because the idiots that post Bernie threads can't find /pol/, and endlessly shit this place up with threads about him.

>>678074342
These are the people that will be taxed to pay for those rights. They have the money.

>>678071397
He's a cuck . Plain and simple. And on top of it he said he will apologize for slavery and give reparations by investing in predominately black neighborhoods . Sorry but black people today do not deserve anything for what their ancestors went through. Just like whites should not feel guilty or apologetic.Sorry, but we shouldn't be anything for our ancestors choices or misfortunes. If thats the case then if my great great grandfather killed someone should I still be held accountable? Its basically the same thing.If my ancestors committed atrocities if I should be held accountable for one why not all? Its complete horse hit

>>678071397
He's a socialist, that means he genuinely believes that the rich are stealing money from us and that they did not work hard to get to where they are. I would laugh if every rich person moved out of U.S.A. and there was little left to redistribute.

>>678071829
>not understanding that his policies can be paid for and will benefit society

Bernie's policies will actually MAKE AMERICA GRRRREAT AGAIN. Even if he doesn't get elected, as society evolves we will become Socialist. It's inevitable.

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Anybody is better than Hillary.

>>678074760
Guess what happens when you overtax them? Yeah, they fuck out of here and leave the country.
You can't take from what's out of reach.

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>>678074396
I don't understand why /pol/ is so obsessed with this incident...

Bernie made the best decision possible. He let them talk, and show how ignorant and disrespectful their movement is.

If he has them kicked out, he validates their position, and has then entire media establishment calling him a racists. They're already looking for any way they can to cast him in a bad light.

What do you think he should have done in that situation?

As a Canadian I hope trump gets voted in. Amerifags are too stupid to deserve a candidate like Bernie. And when you idiots flood Canada I will just move to superior Netherlands countries with my genetic resistance to cold.

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>>678071397
This thread again???

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>>678073219

>Not too far left.

>>678074907
show me the numbers then, not just saying "lol tax the le rich xDD"

>>678075033
he should've had actual security there to stop that shit from happening.

>>678074196
In terms of what he's actually doing for the country, it's not too far left. Don't be a faggot.

>>678073342
Although I do think the minimum wage doesn't need to be doubled.... Wouldn't employers be able to tell who's educated by their grades?

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>>678074687
The irony was entirely intentional. That' was the entire point of my statement.

Calling the other side evil/incompetent just leads to unproductive shit flinging.

>>678075049
hahahaha love it

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>>678075210
>Bernie has shitty security at a rally
therefore
>Bernie is a SJW cuck

totally reasonable.

>>678075234
I don't care what he's doing for your shithole country, he's a mega SJW cuckold and he's proved that multiple times.

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>>678074977
That doesnt need to be true, taxes were once much higher than they are now.

>>678075537
>living in the US
>calling Canada a shithole country

kek

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>>678075033

>What do you think he should have done in that situation?

He should have had them removed, watch that fucking clip, no one would have blamed him.

After about the third polite, "please get off the stage" then you get to the point where you just haul the idiots off.

>>678074781
>hasnt had a real job until becoming a politician

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>>678075537
>I dont care about the results
>I only care about his ideology

Can't you see that you are the same as the SJW's you hate so much? The opposite face of the same coin?

>>678075524
Security at a campaign rally isn't unheard of, and it certainly doesn't make you a SJW cuck. Not having it means you don't have common sense, and Bernie has proven that along with being an SJW cuck.

>>678074396
>letting people speak
>made a bitch
You have problems.

>>678071397
You're one of those stupid niggers that voted for Selfie Manchild we have for a prime minister, aren't you?
Bernie is literally running on the same shit the NDP is running.

>>678075669
Bet you enjoy the cold wasteland where you're forced to learn two languages and get taxed to death. Also, how are your phone bills looking?

>>678074977
They don't have to leave if they'd stop being so greedy. They have enough savings to live and have their family live for generations comfortably.
If they do leave, where are they going to go? Most other developed countries have stronger tax rates. If they go to third world countries, we regulate import/export taxes to fuck then for trying to fuck us.

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>>678075675
Yeah, but if he does that, he gets trashed by the SJW media, and loses the black vote. It would have killed any chance he had at becoming pres.

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>>678075898

>getting chased off the stage during his own speech by a pair of shrieking hyenas that no one in attendance had any interest in listening to.
>letting people speak

You have problems.

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oh look another sanders reddit shill thread

>>678075904
I voted for Trudeau, yeah. He hasn't looked bad in office so far.

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>>678075812
>I don't have an argument
>I just love saying cuck

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>>678074453

Huh. I am a year out from a doctorate and I support Trump. You must be thinking of Cruz supporters.

>>678071397

His promises are outlandish even by the standard of American Presidential elections. Also, way too many people go to college. The last thing we need is to keep pumping out these MA in Women's Studies Occupy-types with 300k in permadebt. Want a degree in philosophy? sociology? chicano studies? Go to the fucking library on your own dime.

And I am a liberal

>>678075275
Where do you think you are? This place is entirely for shit flinging. If you want actual discussion go to /pol/.

>>678071397
bait thread looking for clicks like all murkacuck suck sack threads

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>>678076278
That was exactly my point.

Suggesting that all people who support a different candidate are stupid/evil/incompetent is fucking stupid.

Please vote trump, I can't wait to see these McDonald's eating degenerates turn themselves into a 3rd world country like they deserve. These people fight to protect the ones taking advantage of them, they fight against HEALTHCARE that literally any half decent country has XD please please vote trump

>>678076256

But you have to admit, the "if you kill your enemies, they win" thing is fucking hilarious

>>678076000
My phone bill includes my home's internet and is super reasonable thanks. And are Americans forced to learn Spanish? Learning French here is a joke, if you can speak half a sentence you pass.

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>>678076531
>If you want actual discussion go to /pol/.

Thanks anon. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time!

>>678076622
how many of these ironing pictures do you have?

>>678076278
Working on a doctorate but doesnt bother to research his own candidate.

>>678075266
Assuming these kids will even end up finishing their courses instead of dropping out and wasting taxpayers money because the flimsy decision they made with no risk, there will be a shitload more people flooding into universities, and will raise the bar to entry (probably need A minimum or you're fucked)

As for employment most employers dont really ask for grades, they just look for qualifications. Unless you're really good or really bad your grade doesnt really matter tbh

>>678076740
Better than here. It's a fucking circlejerk yeah, but it's way better than here.

>>678076531
This. Idk why anyone tries to seriously discuss politics on /b/, where you can never tell when someone is trolling or actually speaking their mind (though it's usually the former)

>>678076693
:(

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>>678071397
Canada

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>>678076746
6 or 7

>>678076697
Fuck, yeah, I cringed at that. I get we're peaceful and all of that but when it comes down to it you're gonna have to put a few bullets in a few heads. I'm sure his opinion will change when there's a dire situation

ITT pure autism
Good show chaps

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>>678076697
What does that even mean?

>>678076024
Who are "they" that are so greedy?

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>>678076087

>Yeah, but if he does that, he gets trashed by the SJW media

And this is why I won't vote for him. I'm tired of seeing everyone scared into submission for fear of offending those SJW twats. I expect more out of my president.

They've become a liability for the left at this point and they're driving people towards idiots like Trump. The poor white working class voters that used to support the Democrats have fled the party and its because the left have let the fucking PC police trounce on anyone who doesn't adhere to their philosophy.

hes a socialist and a jew

>>678077052
>Who are "they" that are so greedy?
>>678074171
These guys

because he is a socialist and you are from canada. /thread.

>>678077008

Tis a riddle that only French and Canadians (and, of course, French Canadians) can penetrate.

>>678071397
Most here do. It's abundantly clear.

>>678076693
Fuck healthcare. Why does anyone else have to pay for your damn medical bills. Get a job nigger.

>>678071397
Because b is full of fags but they actually have conservative values. Aka they hate they they're fags and want to punish all the other fags.

>>678077222
Yup. Those guys. Follow along bro :-P

>>678071397
He's going to pretty much going to double taxes, and provide cushioned lives for those that have very little at the cost of the middle class.

If his policy went into law uncontested he could wreck havoc on the american foreign trade. Long story short, i literally couldn't type the whole thing here nor do i want to, Samsung doesn't ship 50k tvs to best buy and hope they sell, a foreign trader has to buy a certain amount upfront and there's shipping companies involved and exchange rates, and then exportation laws and regulations and shit. America investors usually only make 2-3% profits, Bernie wants to increase taxes on such things so that investors would barely be able to pull 1% if lucky. Japan has a similar situation with their bank, taxes and printing money to offset investment trades.

I also don't like his mentality, he acts like a martyr trying to do something no one else has, yet every socialist attempt has ended with millions dead, usually at the hands of the said government. I don't care if his version is different (It pretty much the same with some limits of moderation), I don't care if Europe has done something different (they have many fucked up problems too).

We need a president who can go into office, stabilize our debt to a respectable level, fix infrastructure, stop 1%ers from using foreign banks to avoid paying taxes top kek, you think it's bad now, if sanders gets to double taxes just image how much further the rich people will go to avoid paying taxes.

I also hate liberals in general. When some one is crippled yea it sucks, but that doesn't mean I need to sacrifice anything so they can stand at eye level with me. I'm lactose intolerant , when I go to starbucks I have to ask for nondairy alternatives and they always freak out about how it's 20 cents more, yea i know it sucks, but I'm not being oppressed.

Also missallocating funds is our governments specialty what will cost a kid 50k for college will cost the tax payers 150k

>>678073302
You mean the middle-school essay outline one of his aids wrote in five minutes?

>>678072815
>my mom buys all my food anyway so who cares how international economic deals work anyway

>>678077593
trollin hard

>>678074171
>>678077222

Do you know why corporate CEOs get paid so much? Because it's a fucking difficult, risky, and stressful job. An entire business rests on their shoulders. And because not just anyone can lead a company to success, corporations need to use lucrative salaries and benefits to lure the best talent away from each other. It's supply and demand.

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>>678077075
>And this is why I won't vote for him. I'm tired of seeing everyone scared into submission for fear of offending those SJW twats. I expect more out of my president.

I respect your position, but I'd rather Sanders not commit political suicide and win, than have Hillary as Pres.

If Sanders doesnt get the nomination I'll probably vote Trump.

>>678076256
Yeah. thanks for the 30 billion dollar deficit, 50 000 refugees that are not properly vetted,Cypress style bail-ins, union thugs and chiefs having to be accountable to nobody, intentional sabotage of western Canadian Oil and gas market(the very thing paying for Quebec's and Ontario's welfare/equalization payments), cancelling of tax credits that helped the middle class(even hillary clinton Admitted Canada had the strongest middle class in the world when Harper was in power). Jesus fucking christ, kid. If that's "good" in your books, then Ontariowe must be absolutely fucking perfect with it's highest subsovereign debt in the world right now and highest marginal tax rates in the country, all while pissing away billions on scandalous projects.

>>678072815
You seriously think "most of b" represents an intelligent sample? The fact that there's a lot of misinformed Trump supporters on b is no surprise.

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>>678077425
>I'd rather spend more on healthcare, as long as no one else gets something for free.

Lol hope I'm alive long enough to see those fatasses screw themselves over. "We can't afford to pay for services that bring society as a whole up because those systems are rife with corruption from our shit-tier democracy! MUH SOCIALISM IS NOT REALISTIC" you guys are spoonfed bullshit by your ruling class and you eat it up gladly, you get the government you deserve. Future of the states is what India is currently

>>678073342
Trump wants to deport millions of workers in this country. Legal or illegal do you not know what losing that many workers would do for the economy? It would be RUINED

>>678071829
I wonder how the person who took half that sign got to that persons house. Maybe a road? Payed for by tax dollars? That sounds like socialism to me, using pooled wealth to provide services.

>>678075569

of course taxes were higher then. you're using WW/pre-depression era data.

what neuron in your head thinks there is any kind of a point being made?

>>678074624
This

>>678077075
If people are leaving the democratic party, it's because of the problems that actually exist in the democratic party. SJWs aren't going around running amuk of democratic policies. They're just annoying twats who tend to be democrats.

>>678074044
Yeah fuck poor people.

>>678072815
Based on the economics-based arguments I've seen on threads like these, "most of /b/" has a sense of economics limited to an introductory microeconomics class, maybe a little macro; nowhere near the knowledge one would need to understand how economics works in real life. As any economics teacher will tell you, the majority of the shit you learn doesn't hold true when you lose all your simplifying assumptions and try to apply the models to a realistic world.

The problem is, real economics have said that Bernie's plans will be good for the economy, and other real economists have said that they will be bad for the economy, so who the fuck knows what the truth is? Everyone just gives in to confirmation bias and believes whatever fits the opinions they already have.

>>678078289
You rekt him m8

>>678073302
You want Trump for his agreement with Bernie?

>>678072381
Lol Hillary's cogent argument is "well you voted in the black guy. Do a woman next!"? Stop me when you come up with a better one...

>>678077850
>Do you know why corporate CEOs get paid so much? Because it's a fucking difficult, risky, and stressful job. An entire business rests on their shoulders. And because not just anyone can lead a company to success, corporations need to use lucrative salaries and benefits to lure the best talent away from each other. It's supply and demand.

Time for you to remove the blinders you have on.

"There not a lot of evidence that CEOs with pay packages larded with goodies do a better job than those with more modest paychecks. One study found that companies that allow personal use of corporate aircraft, for example, tend to underperform the stock market by about 4 percent a year, over the 10 years covered by the study. (Considering that the total return of the S&P 500 index averaged about 10 percent a year over the past eight decades, that's not small change.)
So how do these packages get approved? Corporate boards usually include a subset of the board called the compensation committee. The problem is that many corporate directors (so-called “inside” directors) report to the CEO. So their judgment is not exactly impartial. (“Hey, boss: remember that raise I asked you for? One reason I need it is because I’m staying late working on your generous pay package for next year.”)
When it comes to “outside” directors (people who work for other companies), some CEO pack their boards with friends and cronies. So the board’s final decision is not always, well – above board. The Sarbannes-Oxley law took some steps to set rules on this, requiring certain new reporting procedures and holding directors personally liable if shareholders squawk. (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11414878/ns/business-answer_desk/t/who-decides-how-much-ceo-makes/#.VwXow_krJdg)"

>>678076256
Oh, and by the way, he's already backing off on the promise of legalizing weed, he's not repealing C-51, noty going to re-open those veterans's centers the harper government shut, and all those resources that people are being given away will still be given away-probably more so now than ever before. so, nothing has changed except the amount of tax that's going to be taken to pay off the same backroom boys that brought you adscam.

>>678078238
Why and how would he move them all at once?
A gradual change in demand can be filled by American workers in need of work. How about we reform the prison system and get some ex convicts involved. That'd be fun.

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>>678078571

socialist. sjw. wants to spend a shitlord of money we don't have.

>>678078289
>maybe a road? Payed for by tax dollars? That sounds like socialism to me
that's because you're a moron.

>>678076302
the only thing he needs to add to the college aspect is to include trade schools as well. We need more people learning how to do skilled labor, mechanics, machinists, hydraulic mechanics, welders, construction, etc

>>678078296
>what neuron in your head thinks there is any kind of a point being made?

Taxes were higher, and ceos were only making 20 times of their employees. Why did it work then, why cant it work now.

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>>678073197
and trump does?

inb4 building the wall will create millions of jobs or trump hotels allover will create jobs

>o i am laffin

>>678075569
yet no one paid them you fucking moron.

bruh

>>678078707
Don't forget he sold the country's gold reserves.

>>678079120
but hes right thats what democratic socialism is.

>>678078238
no it wouldnt. It would drive up the wages and provide jobs for middle-lower class US citizens who are finding it hard to compete with illegals for the same jobs.

you want to talk about the economy? why is the country allowed to let millions of people that just hop a fence and leech off welfare for as long as they want when they arent paying a cent into the tax system? The US in in the billions of trade deficit with mexico for a reason.

>>678079242
You failed to address how flooding the market with more useless degrees for free would help anyone.

>>678078816
There actually a ton of available jobs. I work as an engineer and look often and can always find 5-10 within half an hour of my home

>>678079507
you're literally fucking clueless if you think fucking roads are products of socialism

>>678073197
>What did FDR do?

USA is the next Nazi Germany, can't wait for these idiots to get the whole world turned on them."we don't have the mooooneyyyu to provide the basic services every other civilized first world country does because CEOs and rich peeps work soooooooo hard and deserve to have tax havens and bleed the country dry over decades. Hue hue hue"

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>>678079120
Ironing reaching dangerous levels

>>678071688
/pol/ sucks ass you can't say nigger and you can't talk about Muslims killings white Christians all over the world, it's worse than the liberal media

>>678079713
literally what

>>678079628 there are plenty of jobs out there. Most people just think they are too good to sweep floors and clean bathrooms.

>>678074624
What's that tell you then?
See
>>678071829
I'm canadian also. I didn't vote for "weed fag" because:
1 don't care Aboot legal weed
2 I knew it wouldn't happen
Young tards believe all that is promised
>MAGA

>>678079655
>implying leftists would go into STEM
Those jobs will remain unfilled as millenials get free degrees in women's studies, art history, and other nonsense.

>>678079481
That shit was going on since the days his daddy was prime minister, and only just now he sold off the very last of it.

>>678079628
Also illegals can only get their kids on welfare. They are a net positive in regard to taxes and leaching which cannot be said for the conservative states in the south.

>>678079848
So you've never been to /pol/. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>678078766
I like the way you think.

>>678071397

Canadian here. This buddy guy speaks for himself. We think your entire campaign and nominees are a joke.

>>678079676
Do you understand what socialism actually is? Who paid for those roads you think? Your taxes you idiot, that's socialism. You dumbasses want to socialize risk for corporations but privatize profits. I can't even believe how stupid Americans are, any other country would put people like you in special needs care to teach you how to not retard so hard.

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>>678079676
did your taxes pay for them? are they a pooled service? That is democratic socialism. same with police force and public schools

>>678078289

that's not socialism.

> motor oil
> that's a car!

> ID required to vote
> that's fascism!

> blacks arrested for committing crimes
> that's racism!

you derpy fucker lol.

>>678075569

No one paid taxes at anything approaching those rates if they had any kind of a decent accountant at all. There were so many more loopholes back then. You could deduct passive losses against earned income, there was no generation-skipping tax, all interest paid on any kind of loan was deductible, and many many more. Those loopholes have been closed and if you tried to put in 70% tax rates now, the wealthy would flee and take their corporations and jobs with them.

>>678079848
/pol/ is one of the only places where you can do that, what are you talking about?

>>678079896
most stem fields are filed with leftists

>>678078689
Alright, a few things
>Perks (and higher pay? not clear) --> underperformance
It could just as easily be the case that these were underperforming firms to begin with, and the perks were an attempt to attract better management, like I said earlier. For all we know, those firms might have done even worse if not for those perks. TL;DR: Correlation =/= causation.

>Executives and their crony directors rub each others' backs

I'm sure this happens a lot, but it doesn't really detract from my point. Also if companies are inefficient because they're spending too much on salaries for management and directors that don't pay off in better company performance, they create a risk of hostile takeovers, which can cost directors and executives their jobs, so there's a disincentive to go too far overboard with salaries.

>>678080067
>Do you understand what socialism actually is?
Do you? Any program by the government is not socialism you fucking moron.
>>678080102
Literally stop posting.

Mfw Americans think a better educated population that has healthcare is a BAD thing. Hahahhahahahaha oh wow.

>>678080154
yeah those $200 MM subsidies we have now are totally closed loopholes let me tell ya. companies never get tax breaks now.. right

>>678074863
You honestly believe the rich work hard enough to justify their wealth? I' not talking about doctors who make 300k, I'm talking about cocksuckers who bet against currencies and charge you hidden fees to the tune of hundreds of millions. You think those people deserve to make $10,000,000 a year or more to be on the golf course by 1 o'clock puffing cigars on the 3 days a week he actually shows up works 125 time harder than a guy who does hard manual work 9.5 hours a day and wears his body out over the grueling decades of wear and injuries that slowly pile up? The financial system is a sham that creates a self fufilling prophecy of wealth for those who control it. None of us are allowed to prosper if we don't carry them on on backs, but they have sold the lie that it is us on their backs. Impressive when you consider it was all bullshit banking practices and all the capital they loan out wasn't theirs and all backed by the government if they should fuck up. These pieces of shit have people crying foul about welfare queens because that shows up on their paychecks, but they are the biggest leeches there are.

They lobby the government to impose legislation that absolves them of market discipline and get nice big government contracts while hiring lawyers and accountants to find ways pay less a percentage on their taxes than the middle class. They use our military and send our young men to fight and die to protect their investments and when they do somehow get so greedy the whole thing comes toppling down on them, the taxpayers have to bail them out because they have grandfathered themselves in. Then they somehow manage to all evade prison despite overwhelming evidence they knew what they were doing, by simply stating that their understanding of economics led them into it? Private control of financial institutions needs to end and the people need to start participating in the government instead of doing nothing. Corrupt government mirrors corrupt society.

>>678071397
You're wrong, OP. Most people on /b/ DO like Bernie Sanders, it's just the vocal minority who froth at the mouth because they're so deep in their bubble.

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>>678079896
You're 100% full of shit.

The STEM "shortage" is a bullshit narrative fabricated to allow businesses it bring in more Foreign workers.

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/03/the-myth-of-the-science-and-engineering-shortage/284359/

t. recent STEM graduate

>>678080266
you realize democratic socialism and socialism are different right?

>>678080266
Lol another brainwashed amerikkkan. Socialism is evil isn't it, fuck working together when you can just stampede over each other to get your black Friday deals you animals.

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>>678080359
>better educated
>in shitty degrees paid with other people's money
>implying we want our universities to be as shitty as europe's

>>678073219

Canadian here. Buddy guy you are politically retarded.

>>678080447
Is reading hard for you, or just the comprehension?

>>678080154
>Those loopholes have been closed

not exactly mister current events

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/world/panama-papers-explainer.html?_r=0

>>678080485
You realize that's irrelevant right? You realize the difference isn't that much right?
>>678080566
Lol, another dumb fuck european who has no idea what he's talking about because his "free" education system is dogshit. Thank you as well for an irrelevant post because you lack a coherent argument. Back to sucking Mehmet's cock and being irrelevant you dumb shit.

>>678080425
>Thinks trading derivatives is easy
Tell me more, anon

>>678080485
What is the difference between democratic socialism and socialism, then? please elaborate.

He can't spell laffer curve

>>678080845
>What is Google?
Different anon here. I just love saying this^

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>>678080800
On behalf of Americans everywhere I apologize for the idiocy of this fellow.

Please understand that the stupid things he says are not a reflection on all Americans.

>>678080800
They are drastically different.

why is every public system feared initially and called out as socialism and considered ridiculous until it is enacted and then said changes fucking work? Is it maybe because the people who stand to stop profiting have the money to spread propoganda?

>>678080845
With democratic you choose to be a slave.

Top keke Americans fight progress as hard as they can don't they

>>678071921
Youre retarded

>>678071397
You would not believe the number of threads that are created by Trump's campaign on social media and popular web forums. Also 4chan's /b/ board is full on internet racists who see his election as a means to legitimize their ideals. Angry white boys posting about niggers and jews, penis envy and low income combining to turn them against people who are better endowed both physically and financially, and because they never leave their homes and socialize with people on an individual basis they are prone to making absurd generalizations along racial lines. Prime pickings for the Trump campaign.

>>678080482
>t. recent STEM graduate
Completely unrelated, I've noticed people using this t. abbreviation, what's it stand for?

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Bernie Sanders will turn us into a socialist welfare state like the syriza party did in Greece, but on the other hand you have nationalist far right Trump who is literally Hitler and could easily give himself total control, and what are liberals going to do? They're all against guns so much they'll lay down and take the slavery, the Illuminati has been working on these new world order things for a long time, they will stage the second coming of Christ (maybe Bernie) to make Christians fear the world around them, and atheists will buy into the glorious idea of free materialistic world where everyone can afford an Xbox on top of spend $300 a month on marijuana, giving wealth to pure nobodies, Trump on the other hand could very well foil their plot for now, although he will kill many innocent Muslims and Mexicans in the process, it's the same role as Hitler, he would have been the greatest leader if he didn't hate people.

>>678080425

So if a worker makes a mistake they may make a error that may impact himself, a couple CO workers, and maybe one customer - costing the company a little money.

If a CEO makes a mistake, they can cause 1000's of workers to lose thier jobs, impact thier entire customer base, and hurt tens of thousands of Americans who have thier retirement funds invested in that company (401ks, mutual funds, etc).

Thus the reason a CEO makes so much.

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>wants to make government even bigger
>wants to spend even more money we don't have
>wants to have open borders yet increased welfare expenditure
>SJW
>wants to use A and B's tax dollars to fund C's degree in urban studies
>wants to nationalize healthcare which will lead to less drug developments
>his tax plan is shit and won't work or yield significant revenue
>doesn't understand secure vs unsecure loans
>against nasa funding
only good thing about him is that he is socially libertarian

The number of people who have no fucking idea what socialism is, and worse yet.. how inapplicable the tenants of socialism are given the demographics of the US is too damn high!

anyone who thinks socialism is a road, and not how a nation is ran.. is a fucking idiot.

economics are the most important aspect of a presidency to me and he's economically retarded

>>678076882
this entire site is a circlejerk you fucking idiot

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Bernie knows capitalism. He's made a fortune.

>>678081036
Not an argument
>>678081082
Not an argument

Socialism is ownership of the means of production by the people
Democratic Socialism is ownership of the means of production by the workers.

Both are awful

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>>678080425
Nobody gets paid based on effort, you get paid based on the value you generate. If you work really hard and you don't produce much, it wouldn't make sense to pay you a lot. If you can manage to make a couple million dollars in an afternoon, good for you, maybe you've earned a day on the fucking golf course.

The government is completely incompetent and his bright idea is to give them more money to basically embezzle and waste on useless shit. Like letting stupid assholes go and get women's studies degrees for free.

This is /b/ we're talking about.

>>678080845
one centers around a democracy that includes public voting but includes basic rights as governemtn sponsored programs paid for by taxing everyone (such as the 2.2% medicare for all plan) and socialism centers around everyone working together toward the common good (ideal bullshit) without a voting process with the democracy part which is pretty fucking different

>>678081411
Nigga his entire life he's been poor as shit what are you on

>>678080921
Google only tells what others know the difference between democratic socialism and socialism. I'm asking that anon if he or she knows the difference. In other words, you can go eat a bag of dicks for trying to weasel the fuck out of explaining the difference.

>>678072882
It's not free, we already pay. If you listen to any of his stump speaches he will tell you. There's money out there that needs to be given back to the people through social programs.

>>678081235
>Angry white boys posting about niggers and jews, penis envy and low income combining to turn them against people who are better endowed both physically and financially

!!!!! RETARD ALERT !!!!!

>>678081545
Dammit I just finished a bag of dicks. Now I have to open a new one. Fuck you anon

>>678081549
>There's money out there that needs to be given back to the people through social programs.
what money and why does it need to be given back

>>678081475
Actually it's to use tax dollars on something other than the military industrial complex. Aaaaalso, his economic plans would create billions of surplus.

Primarily because /b/ and /pol/ are full of those in junior high school and neck beards. These people conflate the idea of historical era communism and modern era socialism. People here believe that if minimum wage is increased than the cost of amenities increases to balance it out with a net gain of zero. People here believe that "free college" means "everyone goes to college" instead of better requirements for colleges paired with replacing loans with grants and pushing more people towards trade skills as opposed to their favorite scratching post of "sjw degrees".

It really just comes down to lack of economic understanding, and fervorous embrace of ignorance.

>>678080800
Canadian actually and I very much enjoy my socialist system where I pay "exorbitant" taxes to have the peace of mind that I won't go into debt for life because I want to contribute to society by getting educated, have healthcare without headaches and without having to pay into artificially inflated , corporate controlled insurance company for a BASIC service you inbred pig

>>678073197
He's argued that sending them over seas wasn't the best idea, and that though trade is a great thing, we have to make sure it benefits everyone, not just big business that has access to foreign markets.

>>678081545
see>>678081502

>>678071397
Socialist in America. Nuff said.

>>678081502

Remember. The United States is NOT a democracy. Its a Republic

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>>678081563
did you just detect yourself?

>>678081302
/thread also I like that pic that further proves his economic retardation

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>>678081280
In my opinion they should make very little more than anyone beneath them to give less incentive to be care free with their job, the government needs to be responsible for our money so that we don't lose it all as with these CEOs who made massive mistakes and cost our nation billions only to use the government money to pull themselves back up, the government should own them if they can't take care of their own companies. Human nature is to be wreckless and untrustworthy

>>678081740
but wont you be poor as fuck when the government takes 110% of your income to give to the homeless crack heads?

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>>678071397
Because 4chan attracts an audience of neocon nutjobs. It's not a good cross-section of the populace.

>>678081277
Goddamn you're fucking retarded. >trump is literally hitler
Get the fuck off /b/ you child

>>678080630
Honestly, yeah, I don't know much.

>>678081740
>very much enjoy my socialist system
You enjoy "free" healthcare and education at the cost of increased taxes. You still aren't socialist and nor are Scandinavian countries which were all built on the success of capitalism and remain fundamentally capitalist today.

>>678076000
Canada is like Target, the US is like Walmart. You pay a bit more, so you don't have to go to Walmart. Simple.

>>678073342
I'm a Sanders supporter, but I do agree there is some intelligent conversation to be had over the way to handle both of these issues. I don't think settling is the right way to go, so Hillary doesn't do it for me. And for other reasons.

>>678081811
democratic socialisms are republic too. They have governments with mutliple parties the same way the US would even if we did have public funded college and healthcare. The republic part wouldnt just disappear. Debate the content not the semantics

What is the difference between a Man and a Parasite? A Man builds. A Parasite asks, "Where is my share?" A Man creates. A Parasite says, "What will the neighbors think?" A Man invents. A Parasite says, "Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God..."

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>>678081725
$7.25/hr would be $15/hr without taxes
>mfw

>>678081277
Hitler was left wing

>>678075073
From a Canadian perspective, no, he isn't too far left. Not all countries have the same political views as America, and that's probably for the better.

>>678081740
Yeah, cause the US is paying your goddamn freight. Fuck you leach.

Get back to me when you start making meaningful contributions to world security that enable relatively stable markets.

Bitch.

"On the surface, the farmer tills the soil, trading the strength of his arm for a home and lands of his own. But the Parasites say, "NO! What is yours is ours! We are the state, we are God, we demand our share.""

>>678081893
>In my opinion they should make very little more than anyone beneath them to give less incentive
To give less incentive to be successful and make money. Good idea.
>to give less incentive to be care free with their job
That is what laws are for, and business laws should be strict. If they are not then there is little incentive to abide by them

>>678082000
that's the thing, modern era socailism is a form of capitalism, it's fiscal-capitalism, social-socialism. Amerifags just lump everything together, thats why the two biggest parts are the the Fiscal and social Liberal(democrat) and Conservative(republican).

"The Parasite makes nothing for itself. Its only tools are taxes and tithes, meant to trick you into offering what it has not earned."

>>678081966
>4chan
>neocon
lol no

>>678080804
where did I say it was easy? its not easy. its also not 125-150 times harder than building elevator shafts or farming or other hard labor. you have to be an apprentice for 4-5 years for most trades. even if you go to school for 6-8 years to become a trader, its not a huge amount more of required knowledge/experience and its not a huge amount more time/effort to perform the work. they also aren't a bunch of geniuses who get paid for their superior intelligence, so why do they make so much more? because free markets are flawed and based on ideas that will be outdated and ridiculous in 30 years time as soon as all the old boys over at the university of chicago die off

"On the surface, the scientist invests the power of his mind in a single miraculous idea and naturally begins to rise above his fellows. But the Parasites say, "NO! Discovery must be regulated! It must be controlled and finally surrendered.""

"On the surface, an artist strives to frame his ideals in an image, to challenge his audience and make his vision immortal. But the Parasites say, "NO! Your art must serve the cause! Your ideals endanger the people!""

>>678081761
What the fuck are you on when big businesses benefit you also benefit as a consumer because their goods get drastically cheaper. Let's look at DVD players. If we didn't make them in China, they'd probably still cost something like 300 dollars to be produced here. Now you can get them for 30. So maybe those few hundred people who were employed making DVD players were out of work, but literally MILLIONS benefitted from affordable DVD player technology because. People said the same thing during the industrial revolution when machines started working in textile factories.

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>>678081893
No one should be too rich to jail.

>>678081976
>Trump is literally Hitler
why do you think he's so old?

>>678082269
but but but muh blind patriotism

go back in to the basement, fag

>>678081893

Why would we want the government to control our largest companies? The government is terrible with money.

In addition, these companies cost billions, but what about all the companies that make billions? Would the government own the stock? Everything? What would I invest in?

>>678082364
See >>678081465

>>678082000
Except for the obviously socialist aspects of... Fuck it nvmnd you idiots can't distinguish socialism from pure.communism
You'd think after 60 years red scare wouldnt be a thing but I guess that's what your shit education system does

>>678073573
You cannot live your life as an economist, life has a social construct to understand (see freakonomics podcast about living as a pure economist). And you share the same misinterpretation as many others in classifying Sanders supporters, who do tend to be young, but also come from a generation that is the most diverse, highest educated, became adults during the '07 collapse, and are far more connected to news that previous generations. The problem is not that they are uninformed, it is that they are the most informed and are seeing something the others cannot.

>>678081235
>making absurd generalizations along racial lines
>"Angry white boys posting about niggers and jews, penis envy and low income combining to turn them against people who are better endowed both physically and financially"

You are a fucking joke.

>>678082207
Hitler was economically left and nationalistically right

>>678082433
this motherfucker doesnt understand how we'd all benefit from more manufacturing jobs in the country.

>>678079885
>Young tards believe all that is promised
If this rule was consistent wouldn't these tards be voting for Hillary Clinton instead? Where as all she does is make false promises. Except most of Hillary Clinton supporters are seniors

"Lacking its own ingenuity, the Parasite fears the visionary. What it cannot plagiarize, it seeks to censor; what it cannot regulate, it seeks to ban."

>>678082298
>Amerifags just lump everything together,
Modern era socialism is progressive democrats calling themselves socialists because they're fucking idiots. If you believe in the means of production owned by private individuals you are not socialist

>>678081740

your nation is virtually homogeneous and has zero costs associated with military (because americans pay that for you: we're your fucking military).

when you pay to protect yourself and have a large societal minority burden.. your country won't have the money, let alone the ability to lick your ass like it does now.

>>678072882
Oh gee mister, it's almost like he wants to cut funding in over-funded stuff, and place that money elsewhere.

>Wanna go to college? Work hard for a scholarship.

Lol scholarships aren't as easy to get as you're making it out. They're given to the top people of your class and sometimes that's not even enough.

Right now I work 3 jobs. Yes, 3. One full time job, and 2 part time. I make minimum wage on those jobs. I shouldn't have to work 12-16 hours a day just to be able to pay rent and put food on my table. I'm not asking for $20 an hour over a minimum wage job. I'm just asking for a livable wage for a one full time job, hell maybe even one full time and one part time. I *could* afford college now but before I even apply I'd have to get rid of one or maybe even both part time jobs so then I could be able to pay rent, but no food and possibly up to my ass in student debts. But yeah, fuck the poor people and I guess I'm a dumbass

>>678078816
That's not the argument. Most who want to go to college will go to college regardless of price or lack thereof. The difference is the non wealthy are penalized with student loans while the rich have their parents pay for it and are ahead from the get go. Free college is another preventative measure at creating generation after generation of wealth built on their family's success

>>678071397
He's a fucking socialist