>>677334643
Because the tax payers have to pay for it. Nothing is free.

>>677334643
"free", Taxpayers pay for it and gubment is terrible for efficient use of money.

>>677334643
If everyone can get into college easily degrees wouldn't mean much, also scholarships exist for a reason.

>>677334643
Because I worked hard to get my degree, and I don't like the idea of paying for someone else's. Nothing in life worth getting is easily attained.

>>677335291
They don't mean shit now so...

>>677334643
Stupid Eurocuck. Higher education is for the wealthy only.

>>677334643
Because I wasn't an idiot in highschool and earned a full scholarship to my university of choice.

if you're gonna slack and be a dumbass you should have to pay to go to school.

don't wanna pay? then actually give enough of a shit to earn a scholarship.

>>677334643

American media has convinced people that anything free will increase their taxes and/or worsen their livelihood. Where in reality all it takes is a reallocation of tax money and raises taxes in not necessary

>>677334643
Because the media is owned by the corporations that don't like the idea of free university. Also the red-baiting that started during the Cold War and never really ended. Also racial tensions surrounding education in general. So lots of reasons.

>>677335627
Higher education is for the people that can get scholarships only.
>FTFY

>>677335291
>>677335371
kek goddamn americans are stupid

>>677335913
Not an argument eurocuck. This is how it works:

I made a point, you either refute it or shut it.

>>677335841

>American media has convinced people that anything free will increase their taxes and/or worsen their livelihood. Where in reality all it takes is a reallocation of tax money and raises taxes in not necessary


exactly. americunts are brainwashed by the rich in their country. their massive debts will be the end of them

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>>677334643
Because we like to invade countries that didnt attack us, nation build and preaching we bring democracy to the world while torturing innocent people.

>>677334643
i dont like the idea of darkies

>>677336123

brainwashed by the rich <<<< spot on. scary thought but the younger generation is getting smarter and it will turn around eventually

>invest 1.5 TRILLION dollar in failed plane (that had ALL it's data leaked to China and Russia)
>still OK with college costing over $40 000

I paid 600eur for my Lawyer Degree at university.

Because if you're going to spend public money on education, this is one of the worst ways to do it. Its extremely regressive, doesnt really help the economy, and there are lots of scholarships that already exist for people who cant afford college.

>>677334643
Why do so many eurofags like the idea of other's stealing their money?

>>677334643
I think it's because so many of them don't want their degrees that they have devalued.
Everyone has a high school diploma, making it almost worthless. If everyone had a degree issued from a university it would be worth less than if only half of the population had one.So basically they don't want something that is becoming worth less to become worthless.

>mfw America has the best Universities in the world
>mfw America has the best healthcare in the world
>mfw it's all private

When will eurocucks learn that the government can't do anything properly?

It is by far cheaper to pay your way once through college than to pay every person who wants to get a useless gender studies/ art/music/humanities degree for the next 70 years of your life after college.

>>677336695

silly americunt, your universities cost more than a nice house. many in your country take out debts effectively shackling them to the rich. So, instead of taxing the rich to pay for the benefit of society, you instead reward them even more, and your middle class is burdened to soak the cost of your government.

wake the hell up.

>>677335861
Higher education is for the wealthy and those that are good at football only.
FTFY

>>677335054
It's insanely cheap. Just like your socialist water that you don't appreciate.

>>677336758
>stealing

>>677337235
>ironing

Because the proposed plan includes an increase in taxes, and is not feasible under the projected income generated by the increase in taxes. There are also many other areas that either an increase or reallocation of tax income that would better serve to improve the quality of life than a free college education. There is also the matter of a likely decrease in the quality of education once I becomes fully government subsidized, and the matter of the ability to easily abuse the system to take valuable spots in the education programs and still contribute nothing worthwhile or meaningful to society as a whole

>>677337051
I'm sorry, but neither of those things are true. I'm a doctor who's worked in three countries, one of them being the USA (albeit only for 6 months) but I can honestly the standard of care provided to your average patient in the USA is much, much lower than that received by patients on average in Norway and Italy (the other 2 countries where I have worked).

>>677336758
>college costing over $40K
>not theft

lmao have fun overpaying for college/medication/hospital. I love poor Amerifats making threads how to cure X while they need a doctor but can't pay it..

Going to the doctor:
$5

>>677337144

I'm a pretty average dude. my parents made 110k together, got a 3.2 GPA in highschool, mediocre sports performance and I was still able to qualify for enough scholarships to cover about 60% of the cost of my 2 year. The problem lies in the fact that many people are just to lazy to apply for the scholarships themselves.

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why should we have to pay for anything at all? everything should be free. you shouldn't have to be forced to work

>>677335054
Rather my tiaxes go into education that i would be getting than go into debt and have to claim bankruiptcy because my 4 year degree lut me over 100k in debt for a njob with no experience only giving me about 30-40k annually.....but if youre okay with your taxes being used on foreign soil and bailouts then you sir are the reason this coubtry is hated

>>677335371
Second

>>677337051
>the best healthcare in the world
Do you want me to cite some statistics on life expectancy?
Guess you dont.

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>>677337719
wage = slavery

>>677337203
No not really, water is paid for by each user, water being cheap has nothing to do government payment plans.

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>>677337051
>>677337051
>>677337051

>>677337750

>4 year degree
>30k salary

That's why you don't go to school to get a degree that's useless. I made 20k a year working in a factory 24 hours a week when I was 17, look into a better career.

>>677337750
What did you study?

The US is shit. I live here and I love the idea of moving to Canada.
>but I can't afford to

>>677335841
I'm not for any of this socialist bullshit, but if they are going tax people at the rate they do they definitely should reallocate taxes. I think university should be one of the first places it should go to. I would still rather see lower taxes and people having to pay for it themselves though.

I'm also not American so my opinion is probably invalid.

>>677338142
I said it was the best, not the cheapest.

>>677337906
Fun fact,The Comedian is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times cooler then Captain America

>>677338142
This says it all.
God DAMN Im glad I live in Norway.

>>677337588
But muh freedom

>>677336758
Taxes in most europe countries isn't that different from in the US. The only difference is that we don't spend insane amounts of money on military and don't give the rich tax cuts or loopholes to not pay their taxes.

>>677338536
By best you mean highest quality then?

The US has one of the highest tax rates in the world, yet you dumb fucks have to pay out the nose for healthcare and education.

You're all a bunch of slaves to the rich who control your country, and you're too uneducated and illiterate to realize it.

I want to laugh at you fools, but it's really just too sad to believe. Idiots

>>677338720
Swedfag here, can totally relate.

>>677335291
You sir, are lame. The purpose south american fag here, where I live, almost every university is free, our degrees mean somethnig because we study the shit out of them for 6 years to get a degree. When you need to find a job, Private unis degrees always lose against publicado education, because they know that if you got your degree it had absolutely nothing to do with your parents money ever, cause you pay noone and they had to gave you your degree, cause you sir, now everything about your career.

>>677334643
Because his financial policies are made up bull fuckery. He's selling lies to idiot college students and they're eating it up like the retards they are.

>>677335841
This!

>>677339053
yes

>>677338536
Actually the last time anyone bothered to measure the relative quality of different nation's healthcare, which was back in 2000 to be fair, America was 31st.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems_in_2000

Things might have improved since due to Obamacare, although it has been applied very inconsistently due to obstinate conservative state governments around the country. I'm not saying Obamacare is good or anything, just that it would have likely improved the ranking.

We are very good at treating diseases that most other countries do not have to deal with as much because our system encourages people to ignore their health until they can no longer instead of preventative medicine, which is both more effective and cost efficient. Profit motive for the many hands that make money in our enormous private healthcare industry certainly has something to do with this.

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>>677336203
>innocent people
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/world/africa/08iht-gitmo.1.12688332.html?_r=0

oh and the "invasions" the only country we have invaded since ww2 is Iraq.

Americans fet associates degrees anyway. Useless on a world stage. Why even go to uni unless you're getting >bachelor degree?

>>677335291
Being able to go to college for free does not mean you get handed a degree. You still have to study and work your ass off.

>>677338536
lol, australian doctor here - I've worked with a few American surgeons who've come out to work here. I would say that their training in terms of procedures is average, their clinical reasoning/diagnosis skills poor, and their clinical decision making ranges from poor to catastrophic

I'll give you a typical example of what I've experienced working with American surgeons:

About a year ago we had an end-stage bowel cancer patient, aged 85(ish?) years. Man just wanted to stay at home and die with his wife, he had only a week or two (MAXIMUM) left to live. American surgeon insists on operating, tells the patient there is a chance we can save him (there was absolutely none), patient dies in agony 3 days post-surgery spending the whole time in hospital, hardly got to see his wife at all in his last days.

And that is EXTREMELY typical of the American attitude to this trade. That you automatically think American doctors are the best without requiring any evidence to believe so makes you incredibly brainwashed.

>>677339914
Not in modern university you don't. At least, in humanities\liberal arts courses.

>>677334643
bc then they would have accumulated a huge debt mountain for nothing

>>677336695
>>677335768
>>677336695
>>677337127

Only very rarely do people actually get their tuition covered by scholarships/financial aid. Those things only go so far. So while it may be excessive to pay for ALL tuition for students, at least some money could be going to public universities to cover tuition costs.

>>677339362
Yeah because no other country on earth could possibly achieve accessible education.

Problem in the US is the label "free". It's not free, it's just easier to obtain, meaning more people take advantage. The more educated people you have, the more jobs there will be and productivity.

Americunts don't understand the concept.

"i work hard blah blah blah, I shouldn't pay for someone else blah blah blah. Murica, fuck yeah."

Remember how America passed a GI bill after WWII? Remember how many of them went to school practically for "free". Remember how that generation had low crime rates and high productivity?

No because your A. Too young B. Fear mongering is everything for Americunts so it makes them retarded.

>>677337750
Boy do I got news for you.

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>>677334643
>muh free shit

Fuck these piece of shit children these days, they aren't worth pissing on if they were on fire. I shouldn't have to pay for anything of theirs, I've paid for my own already. Fuck shuffling money around, if you can take it away then cut the taxes bloating that budget as it is clearly not needed. Let the people make their own choices on how to spend money that's not taken from them.

Shove your socialism up your eurocoward ass and go fuck right off to licking your government 's balls.

>>677334643
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH2FfGFcp-I

>>677340144
Keep dreaming

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>>677336046
how about this: make everybody in your country educated instead of having some people that are stupid and angry their whole life. there will still be people "pumping gas" and such, dont worry, now they just won't be as stupid and angry.

>>677340370
Consider suicide.

I broke my leg last year. I got immediate medical assistance. Got a platinum implant in my left tibia, inside the bone from my knee down to the ankle.
Cost: $0
16,95% percent of my tax money, out of roughly 28% tax, goes to healthcare..
Suck it, merkins.

>>677340327
Happy 18th birthday btw

>>677340492
~30% of my tax money goes to blowing up brown people

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>>677339178
I'm pretty sure that is absolutely false, especially in states like Texas which have NO income tax at all

>>677340486
>implying a degree makes you smart and happy
kek, and i'm the stupid one?

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>>677334643
Cause WHO needs HEALTHCARE And BOOK LEARNINGS when ya gots Jebus.

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>>677337203
That's what they say about every tax added. This year I pay 19,000 and didn't get shit back meanwhile people I know on welfare that squeeze out a couple of kids and hardly work are getting back 8,000-12,000.

>>677334643
It's not free. You should have to pay for your bullshit women's study degree.

>>677334643
Because they are too lazy to go themselves ad don't want to give smart people a better chance than them.

>>677336046
>I made a point
oh you poor dear, no, no you didn't

>>677340666
Oil states don't count, using the windfall from crazy natural resource income to prop up your state like sandniggers does not a strong economy make.

http://www.thebestschools.org/features/100-best-universities-in-world-today/

/thread

>>677340492
>Got a platinum implant
if anything you got a titanium "implant". guess you guys shouldnt have blown all your money on healthcare and spent some on education after all

>>677337578
>Norway and Italy (the other 2 countries where I have worked)

Italafag here you're full of shit. Other than Torino and Milano, I would send dogs to the hospitals in Italy.

>>677340850
>If everyone can get into college easily degrees wouldn't mean much, also scholarships exist for a reason.

If that isn't a point i don't know what is, maybe i do need some free college uh?

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>>677337203
Our water isn't socialised, we pay the government directly for the amount

>>677340592
Don't be so upset you gotta work for what you want in life. No ones gonna give it to you.

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>>677334643
Why the fuck do you keep posting /pol/ threads on /b/, you fucking shill?

>>677340630
Military actually does alot more than people realize, considering most all of there equipment is U.S made, the the defense contracts that go to american companys and best of all the amount of money that goes into experimental Sciences.

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>>677334643
Because the working class can barely afford to live now OP though you probably don't understand what that means not understanding the concept of the dollar and all

>>677340416
I'm there right now; it's FAR easier than I was led to believe.

>>677341106
Under socialism they will. Stay mad and stay pleb.

>>677334643

Nothing is free you commie scumbag moron

>>677340370
Defend capitalism from the base upwards, starting with a robust justification for private property.

you can't because no one can, because capitalism is a cancer, also I'm begging you, kill yourself.

>>677341283
You're the one that's upset. Freeloader.

>>677341014
Titanium, you' re right. But doesn't change the point of my post at all. Keep paying $10000 to fix an ingrown toenail.

>>677340905
All I'm saying is that Americans in the higher tax brackets can usually afford to give away a little better to benefit the future of the country. People who don't pay as many taxes (like in the oil states) should be asked to contribute more.

>>677337750
Looks like that English degree paid off. Did they teach you spell check?

>>677341403
Private property rights prevent the state from owning a monopoly on land.

>>677341401
>being this clueless about economics
>being this arrogant about their own ignorance

>>677340666
well, you already paid your federal income tax before the state and county even think about taking some more ;)
in the end you end up paying about the same as in europe BUT you dont pay a metric fucktun on top of that for social security deductions. thats pretty much why i moved to murica... in the end you pay less if your employer's benefits are ok (which they usually are in the tech industry)

>>677340084
I would also like to add that the American surgeon in my anecdote literally did not give two fucks about what he did, even when confronted with the facts multiple times afterwards

>>677341455
this

>>677341624
Gaylord Kansas looks batter than both of those.

>>677341401
Whoever said it was free you damn tard? 16,95% of my tax money goes to healthcare. And im happy with that.

>>677341534
But who says they'll want to replace another tax with ones that'll better our future? It all adds up. If it was the way you say I'm all for it but America is full of greedy cunts it always has been.

>>677334643
I'm American and went to college for free..almost, books weren't covered. The best lesson, better than a college degree, is learning his to work the system for free tuition. If you can't do that, you're a retard that fdoesnt belong in college.

>>677341640
em·i·nent do·main
nounLaw
noun: eminent domain

the right of a government or its agent to expropriate private property for public use, with payment of compensation.

>>677338720
How's it feel that some bureaucrat can deny you treatment if or when the state has no compelling interest to treat you?
>death panels

>>677334643
>Why do so many Americunts not like the idea of free university?

We have excellent low-cost Unis.

The problem we're having is that upwards of 70% of people are attempting college. With that much demand, you'd be hard pressed not to have sky-high prices.

Community Colleges (2 yr programs) are almost free.

State Colleges & Unis are reasonably priced.

When you hear shit like "young people are going six figures into debt for college" what you should hear are "people who can't get into State schools, and frankly have no business in college, are racking up debt at private schools eager to take their money."

>>677341059
He's saying that the more people have a college degree the less meaningful it becomes. Coupled with people who are economically disadvantage or who apply themselves can receive grants and scholarships to help afford a higher education

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>>677340694
You so edgey

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>>677341676

Here guys, this americunt wants to know a reason why he shouldn't vote for Sanders >>677340111

>>677341679
just for clarification, you're saying that you pay LESS in Europe?

>>677341640
So do common property rights, like what you have under communism.

Not only that but under democracy the government does, in varying degrees, represent the interests of the public. Corporations solely have the interest of their shareholders. Capitalism inevitably leads to a concentration of power and resources which leads to little better than a monopoly on land being held by corporate interests.

All this should be fairly obvious.

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>>677341493
i used to be a eurofag myself /bro... it aint that bad over here. if you arent somr burger flipping retard you usually will get pretty comparable insurance as a company benefit w/o paying a ton of deductions like you usually do in europe. all in all i would say you live better over here if you aint a blue collar slave

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>>677341853
Private property taken with just compensation.

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>>677334643
americans are idiots. they are manipulated through their media. and none of their media has journalistic integrity, it's all corporate-owned/manipulated.

americans are a great example of the efficacy of propaganda on the masses.

>>677341853
Due process clause
>don't act like you know what your talking about
>you don't

>>677340680
Yes, you slope-browed mongoloid.

>>677342254
Has this been adjusted for inflation? Because if it hasn't, it totally falls flat.

>>677335371
You're fucking egoists.

>>677335841
>American media has convinced people that anything free will increase their taxes and/or worsen their livelihood. Where in reality all it takes is a reallocation of tax money and raises taxes in not necessary

Actually the media are shameless cheerleaders for collectivist programs.

Where we get afraid of programs are generally drawn from our everyday lives where we see private companies serving us hands down better than gov't.

I'm all for subsidized education
- top 20% get full bachelor degree subsidized
- Top 40 get 2 yrs Community College
- Bottom 60 get 1 year trade school of their choice

Now if someone not in the top 20% wanted to go to a 4 year college, let him pay for it himself.

>>677342358
Not hardly, but nice try.

>>677341792

The OP said it was free you dumb, snaggle tooth brit. You people invented the English language so how come so many of you fail to speak it or read it properly.

>>677335506
Say all the fags who never went to college

>>677341860
>the state has no compelling interest to treat you
That sentence has no meaning..

But

We have lots of private clinics, if I'm 98 years old, in the last stage of brain cancer, im free to spend a zillion dollars to live a week longer if I would feel like it.

>>677342242
Can you name me an instance of common property rights being implemented under a Communist regime? And you do realize that the government prefers to be in bed with the "corporations", as they are the ones who get their paycheck from them.

What you're thinking of is corporatism, which isn't the same as Capitalism. they're easy to confuse, however.

>>677342201
i am saying that in total you pay less in america but not because of the slightly lower federal income tax but because of not having to pay social security deductions.
used to pay about 50% of my salary back in europe. now it's more like 35 to 40.

>>677335506
It depends on what the degree is in

>>677342381
which is, at best, nothing, and at worst a one way ticket to gulag

>>677338571
The Comedian had a personality and flaws while Captain Cuckmerica was a blank slate with perfect morals and boring as shit lines.

>>677342850
What?

>>677335841
Yeah I would be ok with free education or entitlements were cut

>>677342615
>snaggle tooth brit
Norfag here. Now shut up.

>>677340293
I'm talking about how he keeps saying he's going to "give it to all the wall street banks" as if banks at wall street are wildly out of control. We have thousands of pages of rules clearly set out for banks to follow closely.

He's just using bs buzz words to get people's attention.

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>>677337906
Captain America wants less state interference in individual's affairs.

How exactly is he anything like Sanders?
>Comedian is the best Watchmen character, by the by.

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>>677341403
you should go to int and talk to the people who have actually lived under communism or have parents and uncles who have, it wasnt a very fun system.

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>>677341624

If only I could figure out a difference between Sweden and Detroit.

I mean Sweden is cool. Detroit used to be cool-- we used to call is West Paris.

I know... Sweden doesn't have Labor Unions!

That must be it. . .

>>677341455
Most intelligent people would not disagree that government and taxation are nessecary in some form, where people disagree is in how far and how much each should exist. The United States was meant to be a form of democracy (whether or not it truly is a separate matter of discussion). Under the ideas of democracy it is up to the majority of the common citizens to place those guidelines upon the government, most of what you described is generally accepted to be for the greater good of society and very few people would want that taken away, however when it comes to extending what the government has jurisdiction over and how they plan to pay for people have many differences of ideology where the democratic portion of the government comes in, the people, with their ideas challenged and refined through what should be free debate, then get to vote and decide how and if the government is expanded or contracted to best suit the needs of society

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>>677342394
This. Fucking this. I'm American and I couldn't agree more.

>>677342774
>used to pay about 50% of my salary back in europe
Wth? Which country was that?

man i almost feel sorry for you guys!

trump, hillary or sanders. guess i would vote for cuck sanders just for the off chance that he wouldnt make it through the full 4 yrs

>>677342722
It's literally what communism is, if you more than just superficially aware of communism you would know this and know that there has never been a succesful implementation of communism. All so called communist government have been socialist, in some, more recent cases term soft communism. Which was explained by Marx and the necessary period inbetween capitalism and communism.

The government only enters into bed with corporations when there is an extreme concentration of power in both the governement and the market.

And no, corporatism is capitalism, its is capitalism in late 20th/ early 21st century democracies, within our social model it is how capitalism could and would only exist.

>>677336046
Eurocuck is right. Americans are fucking stupid for not wanting free college

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>>677343573
In all honesty it's sad and a bit scary but thanks for the Kek.

>>677337028

You're probably right. But also, if everyone has a university degree, everyone is educated to a higher standard, so some companies may actually consider employing Americans again.

Of the people who are not getting degrees right now:

Most will do some useless garbology qualification. Their lives will improve a little bit though as a result.

Some will drop out. Their lives will improve too because they will learn something about failing.
Some will start companies which benefits a number of people.

Some will actually contribute to human knowledge through completing a PhD. Everyone benefits.

>>677343321
You should at the very least read the wikipedia on communism before you try and discuss it.

Also, how delusional do you have to be to think capitalism doesn't cause as much, if not more, suffering as20th century authoritarian socialism?

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>>677334643
>free university?

Free College = Nigger Univesrity Muh Dick Swag Swag Rape Weed Muh Dick

>>677343521
austria. but thats not too uncommon in europe if you make north of 5k... income tax itself then usually is 40 to 50 + the social security - feed the sandniggers and lazy unemployed bastards - bullshit

>>677334643
everyone will need a government education in order to get a job. Talk about some orwellian shit. Not to mention what'd it do to the cost of education. I don't think our government can handle any more entitlements.

>>677342394

Meanwhile, in shitty European countries like Britain, you people are so inbred from fucking each other for thousands of years that you hold no basis for criticism.

>>677343605
>muh no real communsim
kill yourself, every country that trys to be communist turns into an oppresive hellhole, from north vietnam, cambodia, china, north korea, and the USSR.

>>677343573
I'm writing in Tony Stark for president

>>677334643
FUCK SOCIALISM

>>677343772
>Everyone benefits
going to be a higher education system available to the developmentally disabled?

>>677339005
And you rely on the US to backstop your national defense, and haven't had to spend realistically on your military. That's why Americans flock to your superior universities. Wait, it's the other way around isn't it?

>>677344405
Nah man fuck you.

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>Option A
You have to pay for college, you get a degree, get a job, and get paid
>Option B
You don't pay for college, you get a degree, get a job, get paid, and have to pay for other people's college

So either way you'll be getting fucked in the ass by authority sooner or later. By voting Bernie or Trump you're choosing weather to be getting fucked in that you're paying a stranger to decide how you'll spend your personal time, or you're choosing to paying the government an amount of your hard earned cash which will then be donated and hopefully spent well but you don't have control over that

What I think would be the most fair would be if college was optionally free and the people who chose the free option would be the only ones paying the stupid high taxes. But I haven't taken an economics class so I don't know if that would actually work, chances are it wouldn't because if it would someone would have thought of it already

>>677343891
yep i would hate to live in a capitalist country like Japan, western Europe, america, you know the country that have a high standard of living, the one you live in. you know the countrys that invented pretty much everything that makes up the modern world.

>>677343772
Companies employ non Americans because they can pay them less than minimum wage, not because of better qualifications, if anything it would create an over qualified workforce demanding even higher wages driving further jobs from the United States

>>677344129
whilst you used 'muh' and 'kill yoursel' so eloquently I have to say, you clearly no nothing about communism.

Not only that but the fascist regimes that the United States supported in countries to prevent socialist governments in order to better enable trade were no less vile.

>>677343605
Yes, I know what Communism is, I've read the manifesto a few times, and have spent a good chunk of time thinking about it. And there hasn't ever been a "successful implementation of Communism": because Communism can't make it past the step (which Marx did in fact write in advocacy for) where their is a strong, centralized government which distributes the resources and acts as the intermediary between the state society to the stateless. This never works because no organization ever gives up that absolute power.

And yes, that's true: which is what we live in now. Almost all US politicians are on the payroll of major, multinational corporations like monsanto, exxonmobil, disney, etc. and assist them to stamp out any competition within the free market, giving the crony capitalist a monopoly.

Corporatism is not capitalism: Corporatism is the merging of state and corporate power, while capitalism operates outside of the state level. The issue we face today isn't really with Capitalism and Communism, as both can work on smaller scales. (despite me personally not wanting to live in a Communist society neither big nor small.) Globalism is the true issue we face, which is where corporatism stems from.

>>677339005
you realize Europe is not doing well economically with the exception of Germany, Poland and the UK, infact Poland who has an very right wing government is the fastest growing economy in Europe. Spain for instance has a 20% unemployment rate.

>>677334643
ummm, I'm not paying more taxes so some pot-head apathetic hipster homo can go to college

>>677338162
No you didn't.

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I for one am just waiting for the system to fail so I can go live in the woods.

Because no country on earth has successfully maintained high levels of employment and standard of living enacting such a policy.

>>677337494
> There are so many other areas

Name one single area that you could allocate the same levels of funding to which would improve quality of life for more americans.

> matter of likely decrease in quality of education

It would be difficult to lower the quality further than it has been lowered already by private colleges and student loans. High school graduates in many countries are better educated than american college grads.

>>677338162
Obviously still 17, you don't understand the real world yet but you soon will

>>677345057
We won't have to wait much longer, my friend. Going to get a gun(s?), stockpile ammo, and wait it out?

>>677344973
But say it were your kid and they weren't some pot-head apathetic hipster. That's the the eurofags think we're idiots.

>>677339005
i hate to say it but our militaries might be able to handle small conflicts but we sure as fuck wouldnt be able to withstand a full on attack. thats essentially why the americans still have bases in europe. we have been relying on them to save our asses in case the fucking russians went for a hike... hasnt changed that much after the fall of the udssr.

>>677345001
While not the person who posted that factory and warehouse work pays fairly decent wages and 20k a year is actually quite feasible.

>>677344628
Not only has capitalist financial support results in any invention beyond abdominal slimming belt but the quality of living in the developed world is explicitly reliant on literal slavery in the undeveloped world. So yeah, its just kinda miserable for us and we have doritos but somewhere else someone is suffering for it.

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>>677344628
I know right. Communism is so fantastic that a country would have to build a wall to keep people from coming in! </sarcasm>

>West Germany & East Germany
>The Wall
>fortified and guarded with lethal force to further dissuade more people from escaping to capitalistic West Germany
>because Communism is so great
>goddamn facts and history
>liberal retardation in action

>>677344892
Thank you for finally admitting that communism is literally unobtainable. It does not make sense. It cannot happen. If it were 'true' we'd already be living in a communist paradise since it would have been inevitable. Never mid that even the original goals were nasty bullshit, although they made some sense if you were a 19th century non-rich.

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>>677345185
I'm trying but I'm also learning how to recast my own bullets using old hand tools. Doubt I'll have to stockpile I think we'd just go back to frontier life.

>>677334643
Because when college is free, like a high school diploma, it becomes worthless when it comes to getting jobs because anyone can get one. College degrees aren't quite worthless these days but they are getting there; graduate education seems to be the new standard in today's professional workforce.

But by making college free they will become completely worthless and it won't fix a damn thing. It's so amusing how Democrats haven't learned from history that more government intervention in the economy just leads to long-term turmoil.

>>677345290
20k a year essentially is my fucking appartment and car upkeep

>>677345493
The worst part being how Marx was a wealthy man, who never worked a day in his life and lived off of loans from banks and other

>>677344892
Name a socialist society which was logistically in a place which could reasonably make the hand over from socialism to communism?

There is nothing inherent about capitalism that says it should operate outside of state power. The idea that it shouldn't is inherently uncapitalist.

I would much rather pay a bit more tax to live in an educated country instead of complaining every day that my peers are faggots.

Pros:
More niggers will become educated, evolving into actual humans

No (or much less) college debt. Sucks for those who feel "proud" to have 100k student loans

A better educated (and college debt-free) workforce will put much more money back into the economy

Other shit


Cons:
You can't brag about how much debt you're in because of how "hard" you worked for your education

A bit more taken out of your paycheck. Weird how vocal we all are about not wanting our taxes to go towards higher education, yet we say nothing about how much tax money is wasted in the government

>>677345704
>Name a socialist society which was logistically in a place which could reasonably make the hand over from socialism to communism?
None. That was my point.

>>677345338
you realize literally everything that is the modern world was a product of captialism, you realize the billions of dollars in aid that go to developing country's is from capitalism?

>>677345636
Yeah no kidding. What shitty party of the country do you have to live in to survive on 20K?

>>677340195
This is the real reason, like so many of the dumb shit things about the US.

Nobody wants to start doing it better because then they'll have to admit they've been eating shit this whole time.

The US has declined so spectacularly in a few short decades.

>>677337203
socialist water, are you retarded. yes I think so.

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>>677334643
Why do so many Americunts not like the idea of freedom?

let go of mods, we never needed them

>>677345636
were the fuck do you live?

>>677345700
marx didn't invent communism and he was a published author. What you've said is stupid, false and irrelevant. Go back to your molyneux cult, y'faggot

>>677337719
so I work for what you get for free. hmm sounds like what we have now.

>>677345100
Improved welfare programs as well as mandatory drug testing reviews to ensure people are nit abusing them while enrolled in them to give disadvantaged populations a more fair chance at success. As for the decrease in quality, you would have a large influx of students to the same number of teachers which cause a decrease in the ability of teachers to ensure all students are learning the materials, causing them to either spend more time on grading papers exams and other assignments or decreasing the frequency and severity of them lower what a student learns.

>>677346077
Not that guy, but how is that hard to imagine?

>>677340680
Yes.

You are irrefutably the stupid one.

>>677345835
No it wasn't
>This never works because no organization ever gives up that absolute power.

please try to be consistent

>>677337906
you'll go far in life.

>>677336046
Tuition free = / = admissions free. You still have to work to get accepted, then instead of owing $50k you get to use your college degree level position's payment to put the money back into the economy. This is a refutation. Americans do not understand this.

>>677337906
I'll happily remain a slave for 6 figures a year. Nice pseudo-intellect; you clearly have a lot to contribute to society.

>>677339005
sure kid.

>>677345933
No, you'd have to be completely ignorant of history to make such a stupid claim.

Governement funding has led to the creation of virtually every major invention since the spinning jenny.

>>677346061
Cept they like to revert boards back an entire month due to poor lackluster admin actions.
Too many boards had content and then boom a MONTH of posts are wiped.
its a horrible chan with incompetent staff(cant even manage backups)

>>677346359
>a free college degree will get you a worthwhile job

How do people actually believe this?

They're retarded, ironically because they couldn't afford education

>>677345636
He said he worked only 24 hours a week if he worked the whole 40 hours he would have made 33.3k per year a perfectly livable wage

>>677344615

>Option A
>You have to pay for college, you get a degree, get a job, and get paid. You also have to pay for a huge fucking wall on the Mexican border, and we're apparently declaring war on the entire religion of Islam.
>Option B
>You don't pay for college, you get a degree, get a job, get paid, and have to pay for other people's college

ftfy

>>677340716
that was retarded.

>>677334643
FREE UNIVERSE TITTY =
HIGHER TAXES =
EURO FAG AMERICA

>>677334643
I can't wait for Sanders' socialist policies to start being enacted. The conservative tears will be priceless. I'll laugh my ass off as kids go to college with ease over the whining protests of these faggots who had to work so hard hahahahahaha...

>>677341948
At least one smart and observant person ITT.
I'll add to that, people CHOOSING the six figure debt because they want to go to a big name college, thinking that will mean fast track to big company C level job. Why actually be smart, work hard, and do a good job when you can just get by for 4 years then rest on your laurels?

Mostly though, people racking up the debt on degrees we already have an oversupply of.

Free university likely wouldn't mean more people going through university. If anything, that would probably coincide with the gov controlling available spaces in uni pretty tightly, trying to match it to what the demand is. Those that want a degree that isn't in high demand and aren't a top candidate will find themselves either going private anyway or not getting that degree at all. Any of you have folks or grandparents who lived in a Societ controlled country? Ask them how it worked. You are TOLD what you are gonna go into. If you are naturally very good at something there is sufficient need for, you'll go (or if your parents are ranking party members), otherwise you'll be given a couple other choices, or a third choice of steel mill or mining.

More to the point, we need less people with degrees. Waste of $ half the time. What we could use is more financial help for students who maybe aren't A+ superstars but still a good candidate for a valuable degree, instead of someone LESS capable taking his or her spot cause their parents have more money. That's not particularly fair to their parents who worked hard or smart to make that money mind you.

>>677346359
As an American, I can confidently say that there are roughly four people that understand this in our country.

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>>677334643
Because american culture dictates that the smarter and better educated you are to more of a flaming jesus hating homosexual you are, and god hates fags because his love is eternal and unconditional.

>>677341171
'cause he's a coward

>>677346535
Maybe during the early 20th century...

Private R&D has been driving just about everything since then, dude. The anon is not misguided: you are.

>>677346614
Because it is true _to some extent_. There are degrees that will get you a worthwhile job. And there are many that won't.

>>677346703
And I can't wait to watch you actually attempt to get a job with a free (i.e. worthless) college degree. No two B.Sc. degrees are equal.

>>677346846
The majority of r&d has always been done in the private sectors, yet its always been cheap and superficial. actually technological advancements that improve our life are too risky for private investment

>>677346846
>Private R&D
like all the private R&D that is funded in large part by government grants?

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>>677343896
here ya go

>>677346846
>early 20th century
>internet

>>677343573
Hope Sanders doesn't win.

I mean I think he'd be a great president, but also I know he'd be assassinated.

>>677334643
Because we have no idea what the quality of free college-level education would be like in America.

Besides, a college education is a fucking joke (unless you are going into a specified field; general majors are a waste of resources), why bother making it free when public education is in the shitter as is.
I'd much rather have high school be at the college level, than have shit colleges.

>>677347063
I already have my job. I'm fine. Never taken a dollar of government aid in my life. I just hate you individualist faggots.

>>677346917
The latter group you described are almost exclusively held by Bernie supporters who are pissed that their liberal arts degree doesn't get them 50K+ a year. We really have produced nothing but young generations of softies.

>>677347212
everyone says that about the candidate they like. fucking stop it.

>>677347092
Or the large part that isn't? This argument can easily go both ways.

>>677334643
>Implying everything a nominee says will happen

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Honest question guys:

Why are conservatives such huge assholes?

Whenever someone proposes a new way of doing things, or puts a new idea on the table, or even suggests a new course of action, their first reaction isnt "How will this benefit the society that I live in, and make life better for my fellow citizens?"

Nope. Their first reaction is always: "How is going to affect me?". "Why should I pay for this?" "How much is this going to cost ME.?" Me, me, me, me, me....

It's like they live in a fucking bubble where their actions DONT affect the lives of others, and the lives of other's don't affect theirs. Anything they've succeeded at, and they are constantly self-praising. They feel like one helped them. Directly, nor indirectly. They succeed in a bubble where no one else exists.

Someone else failed? Well, it must be because they didn't try hard enough. Or maybe they don't want to succeed as much as they did. "They are lazy".

Seriously, conservatives are hands down the most egotistical, selfish, narcissistic, dick-waving, and delusionally self-important people that walk the planet. They would rather the Earth burn than have to build a level-playing field for everyone. Even if it costs them their own livelihood.

Is there any way we can breed that asshole nature from their genes somehow? Maybe created some kind of conservative vaccine for babies, so they don't turn into GIANT FUCKING ASSHOLES as adults?

What is the cause of this fucking disease in humans? Anyone know?

/rant.

>>677347270
And I hate people who think more government intervention in the free market will result in prosperity. It only works temporarily, and even then it's just superficial. The market crash of 2008 is a prime example of this; rooted in legislation from the early 1990s.

>>677346614
Because, you silly cave person, the employer wants an educated employee. The amount of money said employee spent to get their college degree is absolutely irellevant since money does not earn a person a college degree. If the person has a college degree, they obviously put time and effort into not flunking out over those 2-4+ years.

How do people actually believe that intelligence and ability is tied to wealth? Kardashians?

>>677341171
The word "random" would suggest that all topics are open for discussion.

>>677337051
We have good (NOT the best) healthcare, but preventative care is fucking abysmal in the U.S.

>>677347626
I hope if there's another crash, you lose your job in it. I won't.

>>677347293
funny enough we've done that under a capitalist system, yet repubs claim that this is supposed to be the system that produces superior people, and libs claim that more of the same is the better answer. ffs it doesn't even make sense. people seem to forget that we're fucked no matter what system we're under cause people fucking suck and they'll screw up anything.

>>677347512
I can apply blanket statements to groups, as well. Not all conservatives are backwater bumpkins who don't believe in climate change or social progression.

>>677347728
This. /pol/ is way more autistic than /b/.

>>677335506
If you get a useful degree it does. Now liberal studies, art, gender studies and other garbage degrees you would be right.

>>677346202
Drug testing has not been shown to produce any improvement in quality of life.

Welfare programs are good if you want to remain dependent upon welfare.


You've assumed that a fully funded system would have the same lack of oversight the current capitalist system has in place - where literally anyone who wants to sign up for a loan gets a degree. That's not how it works in any other place with free university education.

>>677334643
1) no such thing as free
2) free community college: giving something away that was worthless to begin with
3) lets say for a moment, they they give you a degree from an actual worth while institution (like Harvard), then all that will do is devalue Harvard degrees.
4) In reality all that free community college will do is enslave poor people forcing them to go to college with virtually no benefit.
That last point is important, so I will explain it a bit better, because we are not all proficient in economics.

Right now, if you have a college degree, you have something MORE than if you did not go to college. This gives leverage to those that pony up the bucks to go to school over those that do not. However, If you give away college degrees and make them available for everyone, then having a college degree would be expected, absolutely devaluing college degrees, but instead leaving those without one tantamount to a highschool dropout. So, instead of empowering poor niggers and giving them the ability to write their own check to any company that they want, instead if they don't do the extra 2-4 years worth of extra schooling, then they would be worse off than they are now.

I think the insult to injury is that college has long since been worthless. If you have the drive, passion, and ability to make your own company, then you will make vastly more than being a wage slave for others. If we really wanted to help out the poor, we would teach them how to make a business and how not to be a lazy nigger, than making them waste their time by going to school, to learn how to work for other people.

This pretty much sums up my point here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC_RYgkkmcM

>>677347403
like most arguments. point is that people come in swinging their "100% like i say" rhetoric and that shit pisses me the fuck off.

>>677337051
Tecnical superiority in healthcare means jack shit if only 1% of the population can enjoy it. get you head out of your ass.