Retards who are fed misinformation and rely on anecdotes for their opinions hinders its progress and stifle its incredible potential.

Not clear on it.

>>676527806
after sunk costs it's the cheapest power source available. Close to hydro.

they'd be best getting rid of those fucking cooling towers and raising steam for nearby industry. so fucking inefficient.

>>676527806
The best one, if not for public outcry

>>676527806
it's so 20th century

would be awesome if implemented properly

It's gay

>>676527806
Clean, cheap and efficient.

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>>676527806
Just joined the navy for their nuclear power program so I think it's pretty cool.

>>676527806
I think it's nuclear.

>>676528053
plus it looks badass

>>676527806
Currently cleanest & most efficient way to produce large amounts of energy.

Has anyone figured out what to do with the waste long term yet?

>>676528283
just dw

>>676528142
This.
THIS.
T H I S.

I'd like to see molten salt thorium reactors instead of making bomb material.

>>676528283
Bury it somewhere obviously.

>>676527806
best current energy source for base load requirements imo but i think we will discover superior forms of energy over the coming century.

>>67652828
I think they pay Australia to bury it in the outback

>>676528283
Reprocess, recycle, dissolve, encapsulate, abatement for discharge or expensive metal boxes. Quite a lot you can do with it

LFTR is what should have happened.

>>676527806
The first gen reactors should be monitored more carefully, mostly because they're so old by now. We need to start building more though, with the newest technologies we could reduce our wastes by quite a lot. It will take too long for solar and wind to catch up if we're serious about reducing fossil fuel emissions

Of all the power producing methods, yeah highest output for the lowest cost with very little immediate environmental impact. However, the possibility for massive failure due to human error (see Chernobyl) or unforeseen circumstances (see Fukushima Daiichi) and the horrible effects of these situations, adding in the already problematic issue of waste material, renewable energy is the way to go.

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i approve

gotham, take control!

>>676528283
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaF-fq2Zn7I

>>676527806
Chernobyl, Fukushima, ect...
Build the reactors in little shit countries no one cares about and wire the electricity to the important ones.

i wonder if anyone in this thread actually has any idea what they're on about or they just seen some neat youtube videos.

>>676528283
In Finland we have massive mine that goes very deep into permamen rock which has storage areas for nuclear waste. It's still just "hiding" that dangerous stuff, but it has been designed to last long enough for that material to lose it's radioactivity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onkalo_spent_nuclear_fuel_repository

>>676528497
as an aussie that was an idea that i dont think was ever implemented.
the beauty to that idea is that it is thousands of miles away from any tectonic plates.
it is logical plan for the world but naturally aussies dont want to be treated like a nuclear waste dump even when it is a safe plan mostly because there is little incentive to do so

>>676527806
its powerful

>>676527806
Great energy source, especially considering the recent progress in fusion reactors. It's powerful, nearly unlimited and very clean. The lack of trust in the technology makes it more dangerous by lack of funding for upgrading old Chernobyl-era plants.

>>676527806
you will see soon enough

>>676528283
fusion reactors

>>676528731
Like the Refugeeland/France situation.

Bolloks to it. I prefare Tommy Tiernan's view. No God, no-one knows of our existence in the universe, nobody will ever know we were here. Such a small insignificant blip on the timeline of the universe. So let's fucking trash the joint, be alot more fun.

>>676527920
this, I think we will never rely only on renewable energy resources. My guess is that nuclear power always will have a part

>>676527806
conventional? Unbelievable we are still using it..

Nuclear fusion? Half-life incredibly shorter. Easy to prevent desasters ...Why are we not focusing on developing nuclear fusion!!!!1eleven!!

>>676528336
>>676528471
>>676528507
>>676528899
watch this >>676528559
no need for storing the waste. Using it as nuclear fuel is an option.

>>676528534
renewables cant satisfy base load requirements for the grid.
solar is on and off. wind is on and off. wave is on almost all the time but its extremely expensive and isnt scalable enough fot base load.
it is almost impossible for renewables to be used exclusively due to grid issues. coal and nuclear will always be with us.

>>676527806
Would rather that then coal powered, Today in Australia there were a bunch of hippies blocking the roads disallowing uranium miners to mine because it hurts their precious oxygen.

>>676527903
Thread

>>676528731
Fukushima killed people who drowned, nothing bad happened even though it was a massive failure for the plant. The only reason something went wrong was because the plant wasn't designed for tsunamis (fucking retards...)

>>676527806
it's hot!

>>676527806
It's really just an excuse to make big bombs. If people wanted clean or efficient we would be on solar or wind power.

I think if you're going to spend money on something it should be for alternate forms of energy especially solar energy. Not something that has the potential to wipe out the human race.

>>676528283
Wy don't we put it to chernobyl I mean it's already the most radioactivest place

>>676529399
but you can't rely for a 100% on renewable sources. Our need for energy is too high, capturing and saving renewable energy resources are too inefficient

>>676527806
Its one of the most under used and misinterpreted sources of power on this planet, and more research needs to be looked into being able to burn the waste we have as fuel rather then the U-238. If found out, we could have clean power for 100s of years.

Most peoples fear of it, is based off misinformation and or bad examples of reactors and bad reactor safety.

>>676528959
what do you mean by "lack of funding"? It's more like investing to upgrade means that nuclear isn't that cheap after all.

>>676528070
How's post-drug bust charleston?
>>676528959
Fucking this. The plant had no funding for much needed safety features due to lack of trust, which caused the meltdown, which in turn lowered trust. Vicious cycle

>>676528959
Shut up faggot

>>676527806
It's like cheese, great until it melts down

>>676529330
Half assing important things is unfortunately human nature. There can only be so many major accidents before one leaves most of a small country glowing in the dark. So put the reactors in places that don't matter.

>>676529844
Melted cheese is awesome you fuck

>>676529714
>based off misinformation

so chernobyl never happened, and failure never happens? yeah sure buddy, you're full of shit.

>>676527903
Yessss

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>>676529242
"always" is a bit bold. They will stay for some time, but renewable energy is the right way to go. (Not counting in nuclear fusion or anything else that's still theoretical)

What we need is a better way to store and transport energy.

So I agree that most people fear of nuclear power plants exploding or what not is primarily based off of misinformation and a few bad examples.

But given that we're human, we're alway going to fuck up. People are going to get lazy, or corrupt, or just not care, and eventually something is going to go terribly wrong. Even in a country like Japan, which isn't know for lax standards or cutting corners.

There is no way to ensure that these makes won't happen. They will. Given the catastrophic nature of these disasters, how are we to balance this risk?

>>676529925
It's also awesome to fuck.

Microwave a block of swiss for 20 seconds or so, and fuck it. You'll thank me later.

>renewable energy / solar

crap. you people understand how much energy and pollution goes into making solar panels?

but that is on chinas carbon record so its ok right?

just because the energy budget is entirely used up before a kW is generated doesnt mean you can ignore it. solar (and wind turbines) is the biggest con job on the planet and not any better than than the dirty coal which is used to manufacture them.

not to mention the complete uselessness at night or during peak usage, requiring the grid to have dirty coal backups anyway.

>>676527806
very good and relatively green way of creating electricity. Its just important to keep them up to date or close them down when the time comes (ie. state regulation on lifetime should be in place so that insecure plants get shut down)

>>676527806

Current best option but has high maintenance requirements and is incredibly unforgiving of incompetence.

>>676527806
I'm a fan of The Simpsons, so I support it fully

Majoring in nuclear engineering, so obviously I'm a supporter. People need to realize that its FAR more efficient and cost-effective than hydro and solar, and much safer than fossil fuels

>>676528142
kek. energy cant be produced. just transformed.

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"Safe"

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>>676529330
>>676529861
this is one of the major points - calling the engineers dumb or short-sighted for not planning for tsunamis is misleading. I'm sure they did consider it, but in the end someone has to PAY for countermeasures. Planning for this and that will lead to higher construction and maintenance costs, rendering nuclear energy MORE costly than other forms of energy.

>>676529978
>and or bad examples of reactors and bad reactor safety
the ruskies didn't know/care about how the plant was supposed to operate. Yes, bad shit does happen in nuclear power, but it's rare and due almost entirely to operator error. Train your people right and you've got a safe and efficient power source

>>676530525
>misinformation

It's safe faggot, take my word for it, I'm a nuclear scientist.

>>676527806
there should be more of it...

to qoute a wise man "POWER!!!!!!"

>>676527954
Shh, you're letting your autism escape

>>676529641
maybe - but all tech needs investing in r&d, we can do much better with renewable energy.

>>676527806
Very steam punk.

>>676529739
Surprisingly nice although University of South Carolina is like half the city.

>>676527806
Use modern nuclear facilities everywhere and save the planet. So fucking tired of living next to Germany that hates nuclear power, so fucking tired of living in Denmark with our 1 Gazillion windmills, they could just put up a few nuclear plants, done.

Reactors from the 80s onwards can't boil over

Thorium's the shit.

I wrote a big thing in my phone but lost it

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>>676527954
>get rid of cooling towers
Do you understand anything about nuclear power, desu?

>>676529978
Chernobyl is what happens when you have drunk Ruskies running a plant while wiping their asses with the safety regulations. Yeah, if you run a shit plant like total shit in the early days before real safety automation or even computers, of course something goes wrong.

This is roughly equivalent to dismissing airplanes because of the Wright Brothers.

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>>676530600
They well knew how the plant operated. They did an experiment on how to improve reactor safety (yes, the irony...). People make mistakes.

>>676530265
did you take your pills today? If you take your pills everything will be fine, the government is not controlling your mind with every dose friend. ;)

It can severely hurt and weaken Superman.

>>676527806
Nuclear power - very difficult to maintain, and very dangerous not on in its operation, but in the waste produced by them. This waste remains radio active for 500 + years, and has to be disposed of, so this makes the whole thing a very bad idea.

Coal power - very dirty, and one of the highest contributors to pollution around the world. A very bad idea.

Hydroelectric power - highly disruptive of the natural Eco-system, and disruptive of species of fish like salmon who need to freely navigate the waterways to get to their spawning grounds. A very bad idea.

Natural Gas - Source of pollutants and high carbon emissions, and generally bad for the environment. Bad idea.

Solar power - very efficient, and free power source. Exceptionally clean and easy to maintain. Great idea

Wind power - very low cost of maintenance and free power source. Very good idea.


There you have it boys. Wind & Solar are the only real options that are not destructive to the planet.

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>>676530652
I believe you.

>>676530003
Nuclear fusion isn't theoretical we just cant put it to practice yet or we will probs blow a city or two up..

>>676530909
You is bad at analogies.

>>676527806
Who cares, they only build them near the poor, in shithole areas.

not my problem.

>>676531215
>highly disruptive of the natural Eco-system, and disruptive of species of fish like salmon who need to freely navigate the waterways to get to their spawning grounds. A very bad idea.

This is why we have Zoos and aquariums you /b/tard.

>>676527903
it's the way to go until fusion power

>>676531286

What we need is a way to acquire or synthesise He-3.

>>676527806
nucular?

>>676531321
Ok, one better; It's like saying we should stop making cars because Ford once made the Pinto

Sure, human error can at least be minimized, but wouldn't they be key targets for terrorists?

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Waiting for mah zero point energy Tesla

>>676531526
Up vote

>>676527806
why are those chimneys so fucking big

>>676527806
There's enough energy in a single kilo of U-235 to drive a car more than 400000000 kilometres without refuelling. Imagine not having to refuel your car for centuries.

>>676531572
There are no parallel universes
Stargate is science fiction

>>676530907
He meant recapturing the heat from the steam rather than just venting it to the atmosphere. Think first, write after.

>be Germany
>have modern nuclear plants
>some bumfuck old plant in Japan goes wrong because of a 1000 different reasons
>close our modern nuclear plants that are well managed and open up the borders to immigrants
cucked

>>676531215
Fucking retard, you actually know nothing about energy production and tried to formulate something that 'looks' intelligent.

You're actually so fucking retarded.

>>676531609

Google up "Cooling Towers".

>>676527806
I think the problem of radioactive waste outweights the benefits of "clean" power. imo my coutnry is doing the right thing with shutting down all nuclear power plants in the near futur.

>>676531499
That's exactly the point, though. Through corruption or incompetence somebody is always going to make the pinto. People will always fuck up. Relying on us not making a mistake is a really bad bet.

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>>676527944
but mean while in Europe

>>676531753
>Fuck the political left and their hatred of technology, amirite?

>>676531816
You're also a fucking retard.

>>676531253
pales in comparison to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY

>>676531419
Please be bait

Cool.

>>676531917
Your*

>>676531215
You choose the only two types of power that aren't efficient, as in producing maximum electricity for its overall impact, size, etc.

Hydro electric is great, and is clean, you are a faggot, and want wind and solar. Neither of these forms is efficient, and you need to literally destroy 100s of acres of land to deploy them, whereas a much smaller nuclear, coal, or gas plant could produce the same amount of power without all of the land rape.

In 20 years when wind power is realized to be the joke that it is, who is going to pay to take down all of the ugly eye sore windmills that are rusting across the landscape? Who will tear down and clean up all of those useless solar panels?

You are a faggot!

The most effiecent and safe methode there is and the future. everyone against it should go die in a fire with their friends and family

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>>676532075
>without all of the land rape
>land rape
>rape

>ctrl+f thorium
more of y'all motherfuckers need to learn about thorium, even if it's a meme it represents advances in technology for clean and safe energy that will more than easily see us through to the next thing (if we don't fuck up our little rock here so badly we can't survive that long)

>>676530907
>>676530658
as suspected, there are a lot of youtube experts in here. i don't blame idiots for their ignorance, though, so feel free to ask an actual engineer why you're stupid.

>>676531753
>have modern nuclear plants
you best be joking nigger

>>676527806
l think north korea will nuke somebody soon

>>676527806
We need to use light energy like the atlantians and dark matter

Most efficient power comes from matter and antimatter reactions. It's more efficient than nuclear and has 0 waste. We just need to figure out how to produce "sizable" amounts of antimatter and either store the power from the reaction, or time release reactions.

/thread.

>>676531917
I know its not cool amongst autistic teenagers to dislike nuclear power

Lets just put windmills on top of all the buildings and replace the windows with those new see through solar panels.

>>676531499
Nah, it's like saying we should have never stopped blood letting because it may actually have a cure for some patients and not just kill them.

>>676531609
i think this is still a big misconception about industries 'polluting'. Pretty much anywhere you see something being vented to atmosphere is via a cooling tower. anything white is usually just water vapour being released for cooling purposes.

>>676532447
Why not put solar panels on top of all buildings and replace the windows with see through windmills?

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>>676527954
Moron

>>676532075
>In 20 years when wind power is realized to be the joke

you're an idiot. how will it be a joke? it only has been in use for the past 500 years you dumb fuck.

>>676532447
total energy cost is massive

>>676531708
Really? And I bet you think Zero point energy is fake too.

We should start throwing the toxic wastes to the sun.
All problems solved.

>>676532532
trolls are tiring. for anyone who is actually interested just google combined heat and power stations (CHP)

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>>676532401
Thats retarded since creating antimatter still requires an input of energy. E=mc2 still applies in this instance, meaning unless you can't make an energy surplus by converting energy into antimatter and then back into energy.

>>676532458
Blood letting led to vaccines. Billions of people a year are saved.

Humans doing random, strange shit leads to crazy, unexpected innovations. Please don't stop people from doing weird things.

>>676532501
Why efficient forms of energy at all? It's not like big oil has a say in what we should actually use or that there would be an economic collapse globally if everyone stopped using fossil fuels.

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>>676527806
Who is actually against nuclear power

Best technology since sliced bread. As long as only the west uses them. We don't want another chernobyl

>>676528283
Shoot it at ISIS

>>676532651
Rocket explodes on the way up. Oooopsie...

>>676532532
Cogen? Yeah
Fine
Still can't get rid of cooling towers

>>676532684
Solar has FREE energy input. How is this bad?

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>>676528070
I've been doing navy nuclear power for almost 5 years. People talk about killing themselves every day in this job. Don't STAR re-enlist. That shits for fucking retards. If you haven't actually gone to boot camp yet you should tear up any papers you've signed and go talk to the Air Force instead.

>>676533106

So does hydro-electric

>>676530261
Is this a ytp?

>>676527806
It's the best we have. We should have more of in in Sweden but we have these retards called Miljöpartiet..

>>676529732
it isn't cheap, thats the point. People tend not to add the cost of disposal of the nuclear waste. With renewable energy sources, you are green and it's cheap

>>676527806
>Releases steam into the atmosphere as a waste product
>Just water
>People think it's "omg radioactive evil smoke"
>Le sigh

>>676533360
Amen

>>676533007
Convert the cooling towers to recaptue the heat and send it down the grid to be dissipated as usable energy.

>>676533106
it's not enough even if you cover the entire Earth with solarpanels.. it wont cover the power needs of the USA alone

>>676529205
They are trying to develop it, but the energy to takes to create it might as well be used to power homes. Even if we could sustain a fusion reaction we have no way to store that much power.

Nuclear is fucking magical energy technology humans invented that's being held back by Luddites because of misinformation.

Solar and wind are jokes and are only good as supplemental power. They will never be able to supply enough to be the primary source.

Where I live, the nuclear plants are all old as fuck and need lots of maintenance and they've shut down a couple of old ones. Meanwhile, the government is buying up prime farmland and covering it with solar panels (that, according to the farmers, deteriorate the soil due to all the wiring and electrical shit) just to satisfy some fucking luddite environmentalists.

It's absurd. Yes, destroy land that we need to fucking grow food with a useless power source, while letting a fucking amazing power source go to shit just because "muh Chernobyl"

Waiting on a fully active Stellartor to start up and take us to the next level

>>676533237
Agreed, but it does bad things to the rivers and their denizens.

>>676527806
It's amazing when it works, it fucks shit up when it all goes wrong.

>>676533389
you mean it's just steam? I thought for sure that it was plumes of pure radioactive smoke. damn american education system.

>>676527806
my god, is this real photo? look at all this pollution. my nearest coal-burning plant emits less smoke.

>>676531215
Windmills are disruptive to migratory birds. Solar panel production is full of toxic byproducts.

>>676530866
any DIY Thorium reactor plans?

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>>676533389
>mfw used to sell cooling towers and this
>every
>goddamn
>time

"Radioactive waste is evil despite the fact that it can easily be contained in an uninhabited desert, let's keep using fossil fuel which is globally damaging and keeps corrupt countries strong."

>>676529205
>>676533504

you should read about the ITER in France.

>>676533671
OMG , another retard

>>676533496
Computers used to run at kilohertz speeds. Cars used to get 7 miles to the gallon. I suspect we'll find ways to improve solar efficiency given enough effort.

>>676533389
>>676533775
Also to be a pedantic technically correct fucker - the shit you see is water, not steam or vapor. You can't see steam or vapor.

>>676533496
That doesn't sound right. This neighbor of ours has several solar panels in his yard, and he doesn't rely on coal electricity at all, in fact he produces too much energy and the city asked to use some of it.

>>676531048
This

Draining the water from around the rods and lifting them out far longer than was ever supposed to happen. They had to override all primary and secondary safety to cause this "accident"

>>676533671
>>676533803
>samefagging
>currnet year

>>676527954
It's not that simple.
You know that the pressure in whcich the steam comes out is really low, right?
Like the steam out of a steam engine... How could you use it?

>>676533007
i run an 80mw CHP with a gas fired turbine and HRSG. its not nuclear but the principles are the same. all of the turbine exhaust steam is condensed in a closed loop via 3 LP steam customers and returned to the boiler. the redundancy should the customers not require steam is an air blast dump condenser. ofcourse the issue is scalability which is why nuclear CTs are so vast but you could definitely improve the need for permanent and vast CTs.
>tl;dr have CHP with no CTs

>>676533671
Steam, not smoke. Fag.

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>>676527954
Thermonuclear Meltdown...sounds like it would ruin a day or two

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>>676527806
>nuclear power
Engineer: YES
Scientist: YES
Average person: huh?
Nigger: Is poyllutin de ozone!

The absolute best source of energy

>>676533829
comparing the sun to computers. that's a whole other level of retarded.

>>676528534
>unforseen circumstance

>building a nuclear facility over an earthquake/tsunami zone

No, that was human failure, anon

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I'll read up on it and let you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZf8-frVxZI

>>676533838
I vape

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>>676533496
>>676533875
It doesn't sound right because it isn't.

>>676534058
this is the dumbest thing ive read today. I'm out

>>676533928
Don't think in terms of kinetic energy, but rather in terms of heat.

>>676531444
trips don't lie

>>676534092
Comparing solar panels to computers. Troll or stupid?

>>676527806
No.... just no!

Massive carbon emissions.

>>676531419
kys

>>676533928
its not conventional but it is possible. the latent heat of even LP steam still has a massive amount of energy in it. you could use a mechanical vapour recompression system or a suitable refrigerant loop to then boil water at atmospheric pressure. TBH i don't quite know the pressure exiting a nuclear turbine but if its anything greater that around 0.6bara it can be put to a lot of uses. domestic water heating comes to mind

wtf????
holy shit

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Did they ever fix that fukishima reactor (for real i mean) or is it still poisoning the pacific ocean?

>>676527903
Yep

>>676534305
Implying solar panels have advanced in technology. so basically you are retarded in thinking harnessing the suns energy is the same as computer advancement.

>>676534017
what are you talking about the internal cooling loop is still being used. it literally has no bearing on anything.

>>676534616
misinformation, nothing to fear but fear it'self friendo

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>>676531572

>ZedPM.png
>Kek

>>676533219
You have been too close to the reactor or you are just a muritard.

>>676534138
fuck , is this source legit, ...
I dont know ...checking my sources again . I remember doing the calculations about the sun's power output (as idealized blackbody rediation) , captured on a surface the size of Earth's side , over an year with a net loss of lets say 50 % ...and comparing that to the power needs of USA and it wasnt enough......i need to recheck

>>676534723
Solar panels have improved, but not enough , I grant you. However, there is not nearly the effort put toward solar as compared to computer tech. Also, How often do you replace that precious 'puter of yours? Current solar panels last for 25 years or more. Input wastes are much higher on your fapping machine.

threads like this are pain and pleasure at the same time. for one it is nice to see anything on /b/ that isn't a trap thread.
however people today seem to have a very worrying habit of building their opinions on important topics such as nuclear power on other peoples opinions who are for the most part misinformed. nobody who has a general interest in anything these days will go further than wikipedia for knowledge or a 'X in 60 seconds' youtube video.

it disheartens me.

>>676534138

When the sun revolves to the other side of the earth the panels get cold and stop working though.

>>676535451
le Reddit that way fool ---->

>>676535451
we need to find out what gravity is and how to manipulate space time and what dark matter is and different forms of light energy

>>676529135
Kill yourself.

>>676531215
solar power is highly inefficient, you also failed to consider that in order to make those panels, you need a lot of rare minerals, effectively creating a footprint on earth that is greater then a solar panel will ever win back during its lifetime. Nucleair is the only way to go

>>676527806
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident

>>676527903
Damn straight. How fucking ironic is it that we're still being massively polluting thanks to the efforts of the so-called environmentalists?

>>676533909
wtf it wasnt me you shit

>>676535520
What are batteries? I'm old enough to remember when carbon-zinc and lead-acid were the only batteries available. We have much better battery tech today. i wonder why...

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>>676535520
>when the sun revolves
>the panels get cold

>>676533547
>Nuclear is fucking magical energy technology humans invented that's being held back by Luddites because of misinformation.
This is pretty much true. Generating energy through nuclear is at least as cheap as generating it through fossil fuels, and on the whole much cleaner. Depending on the type of reactor we use, we could make our currently attainable reserves of fissible material last tens of thousands of years (or if we're stupid we could burn through them in a hundred, but whatever). Anti-nuclear sentiment really is just reactionary backlash.

>Solar and wind are jokes and are only good as supplemental power.
This is just a meme. The cost to produce energy through solar and wind either already is or will be very soon (depending on the estimate you like) competitive with fossil fuels/nuclear. There's been a staggering technological revolution in the field this past decade, and there's a similar tech boom happening in the field of energy storage as we speak. The future is now, etc, etc.

>Yes, destroy land that we need to fucking grow food with a useless power source
... There is no food shortage, and there isn't projected to be one basically ever. The world produces an absolutely insane abundance of food. If you're worried about food, solar is better than fossil fuels by mile. The land they use isn't actually a significant issue, and climate change could potentially collapse of agricultural centers across the world through changes in rain patterns.

Ultimately, by 2025 we should be in a position to transition - almost costlessly - to technologies like solar and wind. Fossil fuels are almost obsolete as a power source simply because of technological progress. Now, we probably won't make that transition, because those companies own enough pet senators to rig the market and demand to be kept on life support.

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This is where the future is heading, nuclear technology won't be need, all the hassle of safety concerns, human error, terrorists etc..

>>676536076
The shit about destroying land. People need to realize that not all land is fertile. But all land can be used for a solar farm.

>>676531215
Kek 8-11% yield of the solar energy that hits its surface is now considered "efficient". Also not to mention you have to buy a new panel ~20 years because of deterioration. You're a massive faggot and should shut the fuck up next time.

>>676536121

Isolating large amounts of hydrogen uses more energy than it yields and i'm not sure that will ever change.

>>676532805
...yeah that, or maybe it's because there aren't really any good solutions for new forms of energy, except ofcourse nucleair power, but it's evolution is being hindered by retards who only heard Chernobyl once in their lives and don't even know what really happened.

>>676536241
How often do you replace your computer? Dontcha feel bad about the waste you create there?

>>676531215
This is the most retarded post in the thread.

Wind and solar efficient? These are sources of energy that are stopped by fucking windless days and cloud cover, and they require tons of effort for very little return. They are the exact opposite of efficient.

Sure, I'd stimulate wind and solar. On an individual basis. If I were the state, I'd reimburse people who want to use these types of energy as individuals, because that's the most efficient. They are in control of their own power. But to shoehorn them into a powergrid that lives and dies by steady supply and demand is RETARDED.

In Britain, they need extra power output at 16:00, because that's tea time. That's the sort of system you would deliver to the whims of mother nature.

>>676536496
That's not an argument, you clown. Not even him, BTW.

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>tfw no nuclear powered car that never needs fuel
>tfw no nuclear powered robot butler who waits 200 years for me to wake up
>tfw no nuclear powered everything

>>676527806
its good
too good for human kind tho to figure out what to do with nuclear waste, but good.
But good as it giving less radiation than tanning beds and going into a plane THEN requireing to get x-rayed good.

>>676536452
what the fuck are you on. hydrogen cars are already a thing but will become more mainstream in say 5 years or so.

>>676536457
I don't man, nuclear plants make for really big targets, especially if ISIS wants to cause some damage for a western country.

>>676536457
This. This. This.

>>676536539
>stopped by fucking windless days and cloud cover
>stopped by cloud cover

You just lost any shred of credibility with that asinine statement. Solar panels still work even on cloudy days, because they work mostly on the UV rays faggot.

>>676536765

Just because they're a thing doesn't mean that we still don't burn fossil fuels to make pure hydrogen, making them completely inefficient.

Even electric cars that run from cleanly produced electricity still leave a large carbon footprint to be manufactured.

>>676536539
There will be a need for centralized energy production for the forseeable future, but more alternative production means fewer power plants of whatever tech you choose.

>>676536765
he's high on thermodynamics and sense.

you appear to be coming down from an O.D. of cock.

>>676532401
>/Threading yourself
Kill yourself faggot.

>>676537061
>>676536990
Nah, he's high on samefagging it seems.

>>676534138
>No source
>Biased site

Fuck off

>>676536680
The argument was production waste vs. useful lifespan. Try too keep up.

>>676536496
Kill yourself or come up with a better rebuttal you fuck up.

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>>676536765
>we can't use nuclear power because muslims will want to blow it up

This is the single worst argument I've ever heard against nuclear power. Granted, I'm already anti-immigration, but that just proves the point: Why the fuck should we ever let the future of the fucking planet depend on bleeding heart idiots insisting we let the entire islamic world run roughshod across the civilized world? The only reason ISIS is a threat to the West, is because the West is refusing to deal with them and the larger issues that give them so much power.

I mean, what's the reasoning here? WHen we say we shouldn't let everyone in because it could fuel terrorism, we're all nazi's and fascists, but if we say we shouldn't build nuclear powerplants because the terrorists we can't stop from entering because muh feels will blow them up, THAT is a sound argument?

>>676537331
h5 hivemind

>>676536121
But this is not clean, Hydrogen can store energy, not produce it, you have to effectively use energy to create the hydrogen, after which you can use it as fuel. At the moment it is still redundant because the hydrogen process is powered by electricity, and that power is still mostly made with fossil fuels.

>>676529473
Radioactivest

>>676537331
>>676537351
Wow cool dynamic ip or phone hotspot. My god the autism level with you has skyrocketed.

>>676537289
Oooh. Touched a nerve didn't I?

>>676536985
Oh, OK, please tell me how much solar power is worth at night. What's that? You are still a fucking retarded luddite who wants to keep the entire world back because of your precious feelings? Go fuck yourself.

Nice cherrypicking, BTW.

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>>676537567

this b8 is not g8 m8

>>676536496
I don't feel bad because I sell the parts that are obsolete and buy new ones. The old parts still have a use to those who are poor. You're a fucking retard and need to kill yourself.

>>676537287
I know.

That still doesn't make it an argument, you idiot. You might as well have smacked your head into the keyboard, and you'd probably have come up with a better argument.

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>>676537661

>g8

Did you know what is dumped by coal burning power stations is more radioactive than what nuclear plants dump

Just so everyone is clear the only reason wind was viable was because they were receiving massive government handouts. Both the manufacturer and the land owners.

In Europe funding stopped and now the only serious producers are going bankrupt.


People are too dumb to realise that the money used to subsidise them had HUGE pollution costs. Every dollar or euro comes off the back of workers driving and being in a factory or office block that uses power. Deliberately ignored in all equations.

Goes for solar too only difference is solar is at a citizen level and movement is slower.

Thorium has a half life of 10 years meaning you can spill it or whatever.

Plus Fukushima is an example of how safe nuclear is not how dangerous it is

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>>676527806
>what is terror bait? for 2000 alex

>>676527806
Provided it is used properly with good design, maintenance and waste handling procedures, then IMO nuclear power is the essential stopgap to allow us to decarbonise our power generation needs until we can fully use renewable (or hydrogen fusion) power sources and dump fossil fuels forever.

>>676531444
i love me some tokamak and H3

>>676533928
Look up hrsg or heat recovery steam generation.
Its a thing, funnily enough, engineers and scientists have already thought of it.

>>676528283
blast it into space?

>>676537773
I used to work in the electronics recycling stream as both a repairer and a scrapper. You know very little. BTW, what's with all the ad hominems?

>>676531526
armed security matey. Islamic terrorists are coward cucks who only go after soft targets.

>>676529330
actually quite a few people suffered from radiation poisoning, and their cattle and land was struck off for a great percentage of the country and even a wider area due to acid/toxic rain. the only thing which prevented this being a catastrophe like the ussr is the japanese are proficient and modern (and probably care about their people)

>>676538066
hello from
>>676533983

If we all murder at least 2 greenpeace members each , we could get the goverment to invest more in nuclear power without any bullshit resistance