>>674044828

Consertards should stop supporting people who have similar or identical rhetoric to Hitler if they don't like the comparison. I mean come on guy, how have you not figured out the causality here?

>>674045091
Trump is hitler. no doubt. but not EVERYONE that libtards cry about is hitler.

you act like they are though.

>>674044828
>unironically using the word 'libtard'
Conservatives are basically the same as nazis, just look at bush, or trump. I'm 100% sure you would vote for hitler if he ran as a conservative.

>>674045091
>>674045550
Ugh shouldve known 4chan would become reddit today

>>674045091
Not even conservative, I'm just a european having a laugh at the libs in murica throwing all logic out the window.

Donald Trump would make an absolutely horrible president, and has very shaky political ideas that could so easily be demolished in an argument. But all the libturds can muster is to yell racist and trash him in media SO HARD that the people pointing out the ACTUAL FLAWS are drowned in the noise. It's fucking beautiful to watch.

>>674045939
All the liberal tears are sweet and salty.

I love it

>>674045091
>>674045267
>>674045550


>>>/reddit/

Fucking kill yourself leftist faggots

>>674045550
>OP posts trollpic insinuating that liberals cant do anything but cry hitler
>One of the first responses is CONSERVATIVES ARE NAZIS

I really hope you are trolling, but something tells me you truly are this stupid.

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>>674045939
hahahhahahahahhahhahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahhahhahahhahhahahhahhahahhahhahahhahahhahahhahah
fROM EUROPE IS A LIBERAL WANTS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS.

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHSHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAA,
Libersals just closed down another busstop in my neighborhood because "youngsters" had their hangspot there , and dindt like any one coming true not even public transportation so they trew rocks at every thing that cames by.
Long story short they closed down 3 bus routs for these packs of terrorist rioting.
Ow and they are all born here.

>>674045267
noone is hitler. Noone regardless of how racist they are want to kill millions in kz camps. Thats the unfair part of that comparison. If hitler had never comitted genocide there would be no problem in comparing people to him, but seeing that he did, it is gross an unfair to compare people no matter how racist to him.

>>674046415
>uses public transportation
>thinks someone else is the scum of their society

Liberals are always gonna look moronic because they can't hold a logical conversation afloat without flinging their emotional issues in all directions whenever they are contradicted.

Imagine if you had a calculator in your pocket that you were ABSOLUTELY SURE was always right. When confronted with any problem or question, you consult your emotional calculator for 2-3 seconds then spew whatever it said in the face of the opposition. That's what it's like being a liberal.

It's okay to be racist. It's not okay to kill people tho. And you CAN be racist without killing people. Atleast white people can.

>>674045091
i dont understand why half of the faggots on this board are pretending like Hitler did anything wrong. what the fuck happened to this place? all these reddit fuckwads are ruining the culture of /b/

no one is hitler, because hitler is dead, you fucking nutcases

Trump is like an enema

it might suck and hurt a bit, but the country is sick and it needs one

>>674045550
hitler did nothing wrong you fuckwit. hopefully when the gas chambers open up, you will watch your family gassed before you enter right behind them.

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>>674045939
>>674045550

All europeans i know want trump, they want trump because of realism.
Europe is about to fall , many countries are actually lost as is.
We need change , no longer giving handouts to the weak and greedy.
No more facilitating of niggers and sandniggers, they are savages with reduce mental capabilities and empathy

>>674046686
multi-line fence, palm trees in the background, 2013-09-17! Sure looks like a fresh recording from the balkans

>>674046743
Wtf is this comment all about?.

Speak about being racist , are you the one who used hitler as example?.

>>674047005
IKR? Hitler wasnt the one who dropped the atomic bombs and used phosphorous/ agent orange in vietnam

theres no good or evil in history, everything is perspective

genghis khan wiped out half the planet but why arent people screaming about how evil he is?

>>674046415
>fROM EUROPE IS A LIBERAL WANTS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS
>Libersals
>dindt like
>trew
>every thing
>bus routs

But YOU want to be taken seriously? With your personal little anecdote about your fucking bus stops?

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>>674046943
Racism is a retarded concept, it the opinion you are better then others.
Nature instilled us with this thought or feeling.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Only problem is idiots get the same thought and feeling when they are not superior yet still yell that they are.
This causes conflict, when you point out their short comings hindering progress , you are called racist.

>>674047249
yes anon, we could go all day about Hitler was just like any other leader of a great war machine, and if you think America would be worse off for having somebody even close to Hitlers level of vision and convictions, you are truly a brainwashed asshole.

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EVERYTHING IS THE WHITE MAN'S FAULT

>>674047239
Not that guy but using public transportation is something you do when you are too poor to even own a car. Hence, whining about another group being scum becomes quite hypocritical.

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>>674047120
KEK you dont get that this is going on for a while now do you, even after pointing it out yourself.
this shit has been a continuation and you dont see the problem.
This shit is not because of some conflict in the middle east.
The fact that this vid is old proofs that.
as for palm trees and east europe , its stil part of europe aint it.

>>674047110
I truly felt physical disgust as a lump in my throat reading that pic. This is so fucked up.

>>674047685
Wtf saying public transportation is only for the poor, so american .

Your society is build to consume gas .
The only reason transportation in the states suck is because of niggers .

HOW IS THAT A ARGUMENT.
Who cares transportation is for the poor, the poor dont vandalize shit because they feel they own something , STICK TO THE SUBJECT.

Transportation is for the poor so who cares , wtf.

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>>674047978
so from your point of view, anyone who climbs over a fence somewhere in spain must be a muslim, and if hes a muslim he must be here to hurt you. Call me naive, or libtard or whatever you want but living life so desperately looking for enemies doesnt seem happy

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>>674047685
Poor = scum
Rock throwers = scum

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>>674048376
If you have thousands of desperate poeple in your country who litterly hate you thats a bad think.
When the start to demand stuff thats bad.
When the start to feel entitled on your country is bad no matter what religion they are .
Fact is that most of them is a muslims, even the ones from africa.

>>674048271
I'm European. I just explained the guy's argument because you asked. Don't be stupid.

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>>674048911
You are explaining that people riding the bus are scum.
You are the idiot .
I didnt ask anything.
Kids ride public transportation to school , so they are scum too.
Fuck off your not even from europe , you dont even get that Europes public transportation is steps up from your American system.

Fuck Muslims, if you dont get that your a traitor and a faggot.

>>674048376
Not that guy, just wondering why you would post a cat. Does that ever work on someone, the whole "lets all love each other in a world of cats and rainbows <333" thing?

>>674045091
Trolled

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>>674048637
So its not about culture, its about economic weight? Do you feel their financial burden? Look, im not here to prove you wrong if you want to hate muslims, that's your choice. Im writing this because you're badmouthing a religion of more then 1 billion people wordlwide, based on your perspective of their radicals. Questioning the mass media is good, but keeping an open mind and staying empathetic is something that defines european culture imho

>>674048637
the bible sounds like a giant book of rape/murder too if you put all the right quotes in a single image. just like how there are christians who don't follow those messages, there are also islams who don't follow these ones.

>>674049403
hey, i dont know wheter it works or not, i usually post anything with gifs and pics of animals

>>674048637

Qu'ran 2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

Quran 3:28 Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers.

Quran 3:85 And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.

quran 5:33 and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified

Quran 8:15 O you who have believed, when you meet those who disbelieve advancing [for battle], do not turn to them your backs [in flight].

Context OP

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lelelel
this whole thread

>>674049583
Those aren't even direct quotes, they're extremely paraphrased. Whoever made that pick took some liberties with that

>>674049534
>but keeping an open mind and staying empathetic is something that defines european culture imho
The problem you assume an open mind and empathy is a good thing.
You base this assumption (I'm assuming this myself, here) on all people being relatively altruistic like Europeans.
They. Are. Not.

>>674049316
I explained the very simple logic behind the insult since you were going all caps and WTF over it. I don't agree with it myself, public transportation is the future and the most viable option if you live in the city.

Everyone knows this stuff you are spewing now, all you are doing is attacking the guy who explained a fucking line of text. You are coming off as extremly dumb when doing this shit.

And the way you are arguing a point about muslims and europe, although correct and for good reasons, is infantile and counterproductive in any argument if you want people to listen.

Tl:dr: you are an upset /pol/ memelord

>>674050084
KIMMAY!!!!!!
Muh Lady.

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>>674050686
How come in some 14 languages of translations I've sampled regarding the Quran, the only piece of "literature" that correlates to your 'mis-translations' is that little poster of yours?
Translate that shit to mandarin. It's (somehow) worse.
Stop defending a religion that plants bombs in culverts and destroys ancient humanity's lineage.

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>>674050124
Im sorry but i disagree, i think empathy and open mindedness are good things, i completly agree with you that the rest of the world is not like us. So my question is, are you willing to give up what defined europe for the past few hundred years,out of fear? Isnt that something islamist radicals want? I think terror start in peoples head rather then at borders of our great nations

>>674051282
The (now clear) idea that you see tolerance and empathy as states of perception that cannot be exploited by others...is your downfall.
You are, verbatim, willing to sacrifice a great deal so you can feel good about yourselves and how you perceive the world. Indulging this empathetic streak you've been raised to believe is the "one true way".
Did you ever consider you've been lied to, or just flat out been denied access to alternative approaches?
I'm not saying you've been lied to, but have you ever considered the possibility?

>>674051239

Typing something into google translate doesn't help....

http://quran.com/2/190-193 All the translations packed in one page for you.

>>674044828
Why do all internet addicts think every liberal is a degenerate, emotional, extremist retard?

Im a pretty far left leaning liberal. Im also former airborne infantry (oif 06-07 and 07-08), have a bachelors of science in nursing (flight nurse/medic), former registered republican, married, no kids, own 4 guns, live in AZ, hunting/fishing/snowmobiling/snowboarding/off-roading/tabletop gaming/playing guitar are most of my hobbies.

I dont give a fuck what anyone else doesor thinks. I have religious right wing nuts in my family who I hang out with on the reg. We occasionally argue and shake out heads at each other, but its just personal beliefs. Everyone is entitled to have them.

Jumping on the internet to bash people who dont share your outlook on life? Retarded. What the fuck are you really doing? Not to mention this shit just screams: I'm young, insecure, and have no experience in life. If you havent accomplished anything yet, traveled, seen shit, experienced shit - you arent even developed enough to know what you believe yet. The internet and tv arent really that great at exposing you to reality. So go ahead and realize that you are just a fucking idiot, and only then can you take action to correct it. And not be an idiot.

>>674052005
>Typing something into google translate doesn't help....
I'm an industrial engineer/systems integrator. I do approximately as much work outside the States as I do inside it. Thus, I've had to learn at least basics of multiple languages.
Sorry dude. I'm not seeing it. I see a biased poster trying to defend a religion that, for the most part, holds true to it's stereotypes.
And yeah, I did municipal wastewater treatment work in Aleppo before a hideous religion reared it's head and tore apart a 1/3 of the middle east inside of half-a-decade. Maybe that's my bias, but...
It isn't without merit.

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posting pro-gun stats and fb fudd teir graphics

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I think this one would actually go over most liberal's heads and theyd just take it serious

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You know what's better than bacon? Bacon that is an allusion to my second amendment right.

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>>674051637
i did not say at any point that empathy cannot be exploited, and to some extent its about me feeling good about myself, besides that all whats the point? And by the way, what is that 'great deal' im sacrificing? My pure blooded race? Come on... We're at the gates of a new age, its your choice to enter it or not, and there are far bigger threats on the horizon then muslim are (____) my (___) outrage

>>674046566
Well, that's why you should compare him to a pre WW 2 Hitler.

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fuck the liberals, i'm gonna keep posting

>>674052539

You're whole point is moot... If you can't speak arabic and are using a computer program to translate from Arabic to Mandarin.

If you want to stay Biased and call the translation from multiple Arabic scholars incorrect... Here goes an English translation from 1647 done by a Christian Missonary.

https://archive.org/stream/alcoranofmahomet00dury#page/2/mode/2up

Feel free to type a translation of the hewbrew bible into mandarin also.

>>674053709
>You're whole point is moot... If you can't speak arabic and are using a computer program to translate from Arabic to Mandarin.
So..you can speak mandarin and Arabic? Or are you taking that poster at face value?

>>674044828
This thread is trash. Upper middle class man libtard who doesnt get emotion involved

>>674045267
Before you go calling someone hitler maybe you should consider that before the holocaust started hitler had rebuilt an economy in shambles, founded Volkswagen and got every German worker a paid company vacation and gave everyone a car. He ended the worst economic downturn ever seen in 4 years. In other words he used his political power to fix that whole country. Had he put his energies into something other than world domination and murfering everyone he could've probably ended world hunger, but if you wanna call Trump a political genius go right ahead.

>>674053580
>why do you also support gun control?
i don't

>>674053898

I'm taking that post at face value due to the fact that I'm not a conspirtard who thinks that the translation is incorrect. Multiple Arabic Scholars translate those works....

Should we not trust the Bible is correctly translated from Hewbrew? or should I translate hewbrew into into mandarin?

>>674053146
I hate this pro-gun analogy. It's apples to oranges. A well balanced breakfast isn't a class of person, which is the main argument for anti-gun faggots. It would read better if it said:

> A well educated nutritionist, being necessary to the maintenance of a balanced diet, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.

Then asking the question: Who has the right to keep and eat food, well educated nutritionists or the people?

>>674054864
That's way too well thought out for the average person. If it isn't catchy and dumbed down, most liberals AND conservatives won't understand it. Or at least, they won't care enough to give it any thought.

Though, a nutritionist is a person. Guns and breakfast are inanimate objects.

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>>674055201
I want to argue with you, but I know you're right. Goddamnit.

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>>674055348
you are right, that's a better analogy. The breakfast analogy is still valid. Calm down, you can feel more intelligent if you want to I really don't give a fuck.

>>674055628
It's more that I don't care for misleading on either side. Creating biased meme infographics to make a point is the same stupid shit that propagates uninformed decisions on the other side. I'd like to think we shoudn't have to do that too.

>>674050686
Point one, those who fight you're religion .

Okay

So that is every one who want you to confirm to the value's and laws of the host country , this is in accordance with the schengen agreement that every immigrant/refugees agrees to in order to be let in.

How ever these laws and values are in conflict with islam , thus you are in a fight , thus you need to start hostilities to the oppressors (the native people of that country that you emigrated too)

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>>674047110
This is fucking disgusting. Viscerally so.


And no, releasing racist murderers doesn't help reconcile tensions between races.

>>674053856
Yeah but no one is going to walk into a school and start forcing Big Macs into peoples' mouths. Not eating junk food that's placed in front of you is pretty easy compared to having to dodge a bullet from a gun held by someone who's determined to kill you.

I'm sure those stats will be REAL comforting when faced with the latter, though.

>HEY BUD, I'VE GOT A GREAT DEAL FOR YOU TODAY DON'T YOU KNOW IT.
>"N-no, that's okay. I'd rather be on my way please."
>BUT SIR, IT'S PRACTICALLY A NO-BRAINER, THE ODDS ARE SO HEAVILY IN YOUR FAVOR AND BESIDES I'M REALLY NOT GIVING YOU A CHOICE.
>"Uh... Okay? What's the deal?"
>WELL SIR IT'S REALLY QUITE SIMPLE. YOU CAN EITHER...
>EAT A BIG MAC SANDWICH
>OR
>TRY TO DODGE BULLETS BEING RANDOMLY FIRED BY A MENTALLY-UNSTABLE TRUMP SUPPORTER IN AN OPEN FIELD.
>"Uh, the Big Mac please."
>REALLY SIR THAT'S SUCH AN INTERESTING CHOICE BECAUSE DIDN'T YOU KNOW YOU ARE STATISTICALLY MUCH LESS LIKELY TO DIE FROM A GUN-RELATED ACCIDENT THAN FROM EATING A BIG MAC?

And yes I know that's a logically-sticky scenario. Shut up.

>>674054004
I wonder where he got all the money from, to support all that awesome change.
> Mehr Lebensraum im Osten

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>>674056513
no, my gun will be a REAL comfort when faced with the latter. No normal person is forcing guns in schools either. If you walk into a school with a big bag of big macs and telling kids to eat them, you are also breaking the law and probably mentally unstable.

Anyways, its not about not eating junk food. It isn't a choice, more people die from those things than from guns. Its actually a fact, not something you can choose to do. Those people are dead.
>I know I'm wrong, but shut up and let me be right
>liberal logic

>>674056513

11/10

>>674056513
autism

>>674054004
Really, you'd think Nazis would be offended by the Trump affiliation.

Although I'm pretty sure Hitler's energies consisted pretty much of painting shit and killing Jews. Not really a whole of of constructive channels for the latter there.

>>674057354
That's the best you've got, huh?

I mean I could be autistic as fuck but that doesn't make me wrong.

>>674050686
Point 2
Peace treaty ? Like the people in meccan.
Hostility between 2 family on opposing sides where enough justification for Mohammad to raise a army of 10,000 to take the city of meccan.
After the capture all those in violation with sharia where prosecuted by the new instilled islamic law.
All those of the opposing side (those on the same side of the individuals who committed the murders), which they had a peace treaty with where killed.
Their wife's and children where divided among muslims according to the customs.

The west already attacked the ME the damage is done in the eyes of muslims.

>>674057556
yes it does

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>>674057556
Were all somewhere on the autism spectrum, you're just farther along it than most.

You are wrong, though, autistic or not.

>>674056513
>Ignores the statline that shows more people die in car accidents
>Send a bus to pickup 80% of students
>15% drive with their parents
>5% walk or ride their bike
>Dodge a car driven by an unstable alcoholic or dodge a bigmac
Not arguing to ban cars, base as fuck.

>>674050033
So, still fucked up for me as an atheist.

>>674050686
Point 3,
Mohammand knew the hostilities existed and instigated this situation that was extremely volatile whilst making the peace treaty.
In fact he prepared for it , this is how he was quickly able to raise a army of 10,000 .

Again it where a few individuals actions who justified the killing and oppression of all others in meccah.
Not only that these actions where provoked

>>674057766
We really just need common sense car legislation. Not "ALL" cars need to be banned, that's just paranoid to think the government is going to take your cars. We should all have civilian sensible autos like the toyota prius. Noone NEEDS more than 100hp.

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>>674050686
Point 4 we are at war

>>674058186
A war that only one side thinks is happening is called terrorism, abdul-jafar.

>>674058167
70% of fatal accidents happen at speed limits of 40 mph or less in urban areas and 47% happen between 45-50 mph in rural areas.

>>674057231
I didn't say I was wrong about my first point, I was just trying to construct a humorous scenario based on some ridiculous circumstance.

Also it kind of feels like my whole constitutionally-protected "Right to Life" thing ends where someone else's ability to walk into a gun store and purchase a .357 magnum with the intent of killing me begins.

>>674057766
This is really my favorite pro-gun argument. Have you considered that automobiles serve a purpose other than killing pedestrians or other motorists? Do you look at your gun as anything other than a tool specifically for the use of maiming or killing another living thing whether for self-protection or otherwise?

>Boy, can't wait to stimulate my prostate with the barrel of my revolver.
Two weeks later...
>Boy, can't wait to stimulate myself with the butt of my rifle.

>>674050686
Point 5 "Oppression and prosecution against you on account of your faith"

So when you break the law doing something righteous according to your faith like, idk raping , honor killing , defending the islam with violence to those who speak against it

It is oppression of your faith if ytou get charged with a crime and prosecuted for it (my i point out uk jail statistics) , so you need to fight until they pay jizya and feel subdued

>>674058484
and?

captcha: select all cars lol

>>674050084
I say we make Kimmy president. She be better president then all these other faggots.

>>674057231
Then again, i think more people consume fast food on a daily basis, than get shot at, or handle a weapon.

>>674058484
> where do cars and pedestrians exist?

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>>674053580
Hundreds of words per minute
>must be allows for hundreds of keystrokes per minute

>>674058484
horse power has nothing to do with it, its poor driving, visibility issues and (of course) impairment, most notably alcohol.

>>674058617
>Target practice, entertainment

And I assume then your going to say their are plenty of other ways to do both. And I would agree with you. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist be banned.

What purpose does a bigmac serve? To provide energy for a person (IE: calories) but there are tons of other things that can provide energy. There are tons of other items that are healthier. Doesn't mean I think fast food should be banned.

>>674057231
Oooh, also, I agree that no NORMAL person is forcing guns into schools, since indeed it seems to be pretty ABNORMAL people who walk into schools and begin shooting people. (Although I'm less sure about this given the politicians who come out in favor of arming teachers, students, etc.) We seem to really suck at identifying abnormal people, though. It's like "Russian Roulette: Entire Society Edition" even though not all of us want to play.

>>674058617
So my "right to life" as you put it ends because you can be killed by a murder? Anyone can walk into walmart and buy a knife with the intent of killing you.

Perhaps you have never considered that guns aren't killing machines. Just like a car serve non violent purposes. I was in state shooting competitions when I was 12-14, never killed anyone or saw anyone get shot. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Cars don't kill people, people kill people.

No matter our opinions, my actual rights have more legal standing than your irrational fears of being killed by something that 5% people walking around you on the street have on their person.

>>674058986
>Anal dildo
>Your Anus

They don't technical exist in the same place. Doesn't mean you can't stick it into your anus. That would be like me trying to argue that bullets belong in a gun range and people don't belong in a gun range. And that the guy just got confused and thought that elementary school was his gun range. Shitty logic is just shitty.

>>674047477
check'd and rekt
the hole only gets deeper with every word he types

>>674050686
glab to see 4chan is getting smarter, saying all islamists are terroristsis like saying all white people are racist shithewds, the actions of the loud few shouldnt speak for the silent majority

>>674059174
Right but like I said I'm comfortable with the idea that a single Big Mac is a lot less risky than a single bullet.

>Why ban certain guns or make background checks more substantial when you're just going to die of a myocardial infarction in 50 years?

Idk, I'd like to enjoy putting my dick in a nice fat ass a few more times before I die.

>>674059486
So you don't think that an area with a lot of traffic and pedestrians, might be more accident prone, than a flat straight wide road across the country?
I guess sharks must live at the beach, why else would most attacks happen there?

>>674059578
I have a bowl of M&Ms with 10,000 M&Ms in it. 1 of the M&Ms is actually cyanide and will hate you. I have no idea which one it is nor do you.

How many M&Ms are you going to let your family (including yourself) eat?

>>674052456
while i could do without the harsh language, this fuckers got a point

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>>674056098
Well see picture , thats south africa today , 20 south africans die daily vs 7 africans, yet they are 0,something procent of the population

>>674059782
> what is literally any crime perpetrated by Caucasians?
By that logic you should stop interacting with anything.

>>674059212
do you think there should be a collective document with the current mental status of every person in a country? Thats not a country most people want to live in.

NORMAL people are complying with the law when they own guns ABNORMAL people are not. So why change the law to be stricter? the ABNORMAL people don't give a fuck.

Hey guys, a found a new way to make liberals see that criminals are responsible for their own actions, call them "normal" and "abnormal" when they hear "criminal" they think about the innocent black men who were just robbing a convinence and stealing cops guns to feed their families.

>here comes the post about how racist I am.

>>674044828
>supports Trump
>doesn't get why everyone thinks he's Hitler

>>674059644
People don't go "gee, a gun! I should shoot up a school now!" Instead, people go "I want to shoot up a school now! What weapon is most accessible to me right now? Oh hey, a gun!"

Assume guns are banned, this is literally all that's going to happen. "I want to go shoot up a school now! What weapon is most accessible to me right now? Oh, hey, a knife!" And if they were smart, they'd probably get away with significantly more deaths since there's no loud sound to warn the whole school.

>>674059644
I never said anything about being against background checks. I simply pointed out you ignored that there are things that kill more people then guns and are more common then guns.

I don't think anyone with any mental issues should ever be allowed to buy a gun (or bullets). Anyone with a violent crime should be barred from buying either for 10 years.

I also think parents (if under 14) years of age should be held responsible if their kid uses their gun and bullets to kill someone. I also think you should be required to have a license to own a gun (IE: gun safety courses, etc). And all guns should be registered to that license so if you do something that means you should be prevented from owning guns they have a record of ALL your guns.

Now look i've pissed off both sides. I don't give a fuck. I am not conservative or liberal. I simply have my views.

>>674059463
>Irrational fears.

Tell that to the parents of school shooting victims.

I'd much rather take my chances against someone with a knife than someone with a gun. I would also argue that the likelihood of requiring a firearm for self-defense makes the argument in favor of such look equally irrational.

>>674059782
you think id share m&ms knowing that, that said id eat all but one.

>>674060112
Because as we know from all the news shows, the average school shooter is a muscular 18 y/o, with close combat training and a talent for silently killing.
Not a flakey beta, who snapped.

>>674060237
tell that to parents of drunk driving accidents

Just because you want a "fair fight" against the guy with the knife, doesn't mean that other people have to be just like you. You are safer by people carrying guns and if you don't care about that, then you shouldn't care if I have a gun to defend myself.

see
>>674053655
btw

>>674059736
The 2005 crash data shows that there were 21,924 fatal crashes involving 32,512
vehicles and 54,990 people, resulting in 24,837 fatalities in rural areas. Urban
areas accounted for 17,265 fatal crashes involving 26,861 vehicles and 46,044
people resulting in 18,606 fatalities

>Hmmm? Provide your data that proves otherwise.

Don't get me wrong your idea SEEMs logical until you look at the data. The reality is beyond impairment, visibility is a major MAJOR cause of crashes. And urban (populated) areas are typically more well lit.


Approximately 91 percent of nighttime rural fatal crashes occur on dark roadways
and 9 percent occur on roads lighted by streetlights. In urban areas, 40
percent of fatal nighttime crashes occur on dark roadways and 60 percent occur
on lighted roadways.

>>674060405
Not that retard, but he's kind of right. Pipe bombs are stupid easy to make. It's a mental health issue, not a gun control issue

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>>674058672
>>674058186
>>674058034
>>674057629
>>674056042
Informed anon be based

>>674059947
>You first

>>674060255
>base as fuck
>i respect your balls

>>674044828
>Unironic use of the word "libtard"
Son, you already lost.
>But please do explain to the class how "redpilled" you are

>>674059782
Thats a big bowl mate

>>674060811
>son, you already lost

>nothing personnel, kid

>>674060112
Then WHY WOULDN'T THEY JUST USE A KNIFE EVERY TIME?

>TODAY IN IDAHO, TRAGEDY IN A SMALL TOWN AS ANOTHER MASS SCHOOL KNIFING TOOK THE LIVES OF 28 STUDENTS AND 3 TEACHERS.
>"IF ONLY THEY'D USED GUNS BECAUSE OF THE HELPFUL WARNING NOISES."

It's almost like loud noises create a powerful psychological effect whereby a disruption of the social order that would be required to escape such incidence in the safest way possible occurs.

>>674059994
you know, the sad fact is you are right. criminals dont care about laws, thats why they are criminals. i wouldnt say EVERY black dude is a welfare abusing illegal gun owning drug user. just all of the ones in my neighborhood.

>>674060478
Okay, i give, thanks for looking all that shit up. Makes sense that urban areas are more safely regulated, thus equaling out the traffic.
Also, i didn't think about that but isn't 30 mph the limit in the US for inner city?

>>674060992
The point is that murders and school attacks are happening. The question of the tools used by criminals is irrelevant when the tools they're using prevent crime in good hands. Before you even start with the bullshit that the "good guy with a gun" argument is invalid, here are some links.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/09/2nd-amendment-in-action-armed-driver-stops-attempted-mass-shooting/

http://concealednation.org/2016/03/concealed-carry-licensee-saves-store-clerk-from-hatchet-wielding-man/

http://twitchy.com/2016/01/14/two-armed-robbers-walked-into-a-store-in-chicago-what-happened-next-will-have-the-gun-grabbers-fuming/

>>674060585
well call itan irrational love of m&ms
also i have a girlfirend whos grandparents are from the middle east i think. she has pretty heavy traces of arab and lebanese in her, i want her to have a happy life.

>>674061262
It varies, small neighborhood communities typically are 25, some are 35, and it depends on the density of the city though. Most in my area are around 25 or 30 though.

>>674060558
Yeah, it's more of mental health issue. Then again, the knowledge about pipe bombs has to be gathered first, and then built and tested.
The gun is usually readily available and will work most of the time.
But there is not much you can do when someone decides to kill a bunch of people, regardless of his own life.

>>674060585
Turns out i have been interacting with shit all this time. I must be one brave motherfucker.

>>674061619
Except mentally unstable people can't buy firearms. Just like a pipe bomb, guns are crazy simple to make by anyone can buy pipe.

>>674061314
>things are happening
As if any of these things will be stopped by guns being banned. Go to Ireland, the make bombs and stab each other. Go to England and middle school kids are stabbing each other. In Japan a dude killed 15 people with a sword. You got nothing nigger

>>674060473
>>674060473
If the people who sell that drivel about guns making you safer truly believed in it then Donald Trump rallies and NRA board meetings wouldn't be gun-free zones. There's no data to suggest that it's true, and the anecdotal evidence to the contrary is cartoon-level hilarious.

ITT: Liberals are actually trying to figure out a safe solution to automobile violence through common sense car legislation.

I'm glad bernie sanders is going to pay for you fuckwits to sit around doing nothing, otherwise life me be hard for you people

>>674061873
what are you even trying to say? I agree that crime is virtually unstoppable. Why make guns illegal if that's the case?

>>674052456

Because I listen to their arguments and see them on the news and in social media. An exception to the rule does not preclude the rule. Some people survive cancer untreated, that doesn't mean we should stop treating cancer. You have clearly demonstrated how empty headed liberal rhetoric is as you spent so many words saying absolutely nothing but describing how awesome you think you are and belittling everyone you were trying to show off to. Pathetic would begin to describe it, possibly.

>>674061979
Damn straight bro, just wait till Bernie!

You will get to...
>Pay for my Art Degree
>Support me while I'm on government assistance (See Art Degree)
>Until
>Sweet $15/hr no-skill required job at the golden arches baby
>Life after Bernie
>Bernie 4 life

>>674061925
guns actually do make you safer, whether you choose to believe that "cartoon-level hilarious" FACT or not.

see
>>674052955
btw

>>674061825
Well apparently it's not that hard for people to get their hands on a firewapon, or we'd see far more pipe bombs during shootings?
Also, i don't think that the pipe is the part a mentally unstable person should not be allowed to buy...

>>674052456
Both sides see the other side as idiots.
Liberals see conservatives as religious following sheep
Conservatives see liberals as government following sheep

If calling yourself a "liberal" or "conservatives" defines you, you should learn to think for your self.

PS You can substitute Democrat and Republican for liberal and conservative.

>>674062352
I just fucking said mentally unstable people cant buy GUNS. It's like you people think there isn't a background check and federal forms everytime you buy a gun. Your realize you can't actually "just walk into a store and buy a gun," right?

>>674061314
>2016
>Using Breitbart "news" articles to make a point.

*Ahem...*

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/texas-good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-then-runs-away/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/12/11/terrorism-good-guy-gun-concealed-carry-column/77108230/

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/01/good_guy_with_a_gun_myth_guns_increase_the_risk_of_homicide_accidents_suicide.html

Also keep in mind that every "Bad Guy With a Gun"™ convinced someone else that he was really just a "Good Guy Without a Gun"™ at one point.

If ya ain't conservative ur goddamn commi bastard

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You can pretty much post anything, from furry bashing, to faggots and cucks, to gun control, to BLM niggers protesting and it's all liberal "causes".

Fucking degenerates.

>>674062675
No but you CAN walk into a gun show and purchase one from a private seller, a process that typically incurs a higher cost on the buyer but also involves far less paperwork given how unregulated private sellers are in general.

>>674062685
yes, crime definitely exists. Not a reason to violate the constitution and stop a father and son from taking their ar15 to the range, shooting and going home. Which is all the recent firearms legislation has done.

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>>674062880
then we better get rid of ALL private buying and selling of every piece of property in the country. We can't trust people to sell a car in a private transaction that the government doesn't know about. What if someone sells a private sale knife to a crazy person? It might even be an unserialized "ghost knife"! that would be awful!

Banning objects is never going to affect crime. EVER.

>>674062880
Not to mention you can always get your hands on mommy's rifles.

>>674062675
I know they have background checks in stores. But where do you think all those mass shooters got their weapons? At some point in time these guns went over the counter legally and after a few detours landed in the hands of a person that shouldn't be able to own.
> It's like your acting that not a single mentally unstable person owns a gun in the US.

>>674062880
pff the gunshow myth , i seen a clip of that and the people at the gunshow called the cops on the dude coming in with out the proper licenses asking to buy guns and bring the guns with him that day.
You just cant do that.

>>674063334
That's a risk you run when you let private citizens own property. God forbid one of them owns a hammer or a grapefruit or something.

>>674063521
You saw one clip and that cemented your worldview in this particular area, huh?

Please never read the Bible.

>>674063642
How much real world experience do you have with firearms then, anon?

>>674044898
unbased retard doing the math ....

>>674061825
Yeah they can dude. Because of privacy laws doctors can't report shit like that to the FBI

>>674063316
Again, the car has a utilitarian function outside the killing or maiming of living beings.

>OH GOD ANOTHER MASS CAR SLAYING WILL THE TERROR EVER STOP.

>>674063587
So do you agree that apparently its more convenient for people to get their hands on guns, to kill their classmates, or does it seem that building a pipe bomb is the preferred method?

>>674063642
Except isn't that what your doing?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html

read through and see that almost every gun was purchased legally, not always by the person but by the owner.

>>674063943
>guns lack a utilitarian function
the hole gets deeper with every word you type, is your opinion even your own or did you borrow it?

>>674063642
You dont get guns on a gun show that day , especially not without a license.

People will even call the cops on you if you try and get them.
Wtf are you even implying , these are the laws non nigger people obey by those laws.

>>674063973
i'd have built a pipe bomb. Just so the media can't call it a mass shooting. But I've been shooting since elementary school and understand that guns aren't bad.

Do any liberals realize that people 40 years ago, used to put shotguns in their lockers if they were going hunting after school? School shootings are a societal problem, not a gun problem.

>>674063757

Why would that be relevant? How much real-world experience do you have with using nuclear weapons? Why shouldn't I own a nuclear bomb for self-defense if I feel that a gun won't get the job done? I'll be REAL careful with it, pinky promise.

>>674064165
I'm within three feet of two firearms that I have no use for other than killing people and maybe bears.
also I bought them at a store at the same time and I've been in a mental institution, this is how much of a joke our background checks are

>>674064389
In what way is a school shooting NOT both a gun problem AND a societal problem?

>Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Yeeeeeeeah but the gun helps.

>>674064368
It's people seeing and hearing things on tv that they don't understand, and getting angry because the tv tells them it is endangering kids.

Why do people with no experience on subject have such a strong sense of entitlement to create laws that restrict knowledgeable peoples' rights?

>strong sense of entitlement
I guess I answered my own question. feel the bern

>>674064389
So, you think it's just a statistical hiccup and we'll get a bunch of pipe bombings soon, to even out the score?
Or would you like to answer yes to my reoccurring question, that guns seem to be the convenient choice of people perpetrating a mass killing?

>>674064165
So point out the flaw in my logic. I'm not sitting here calling anyone an idiot or implying anything about their cognitive abilities. I'm simply addressing arguments (that I've heard and responded to a million times before) against elements of gun control.

>>674064680
>guns don't kill people, people kill people

the meaning of this phrase is that the gun physically does nothing. It doesn't help. a person picks up the gun, loads it, cocks it, and decides to shoot it. What did the gun do there?

In what way is a high speed vehicular manslaughter NOT both a car problem AND a societal problem"

>cars don't kill people, people kill people
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah but the car helps

This week in libtard BS

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/de-blasio-nyc-toilets-won-discriminate-gender-identity-article-1.2556163

>>674064842
Do you use a hammer to drive a nail? Yes guns can and are used to kill people. They also use knives, and bats and cars. If we should make guns illegal to make gun violence stop, maybe we should also make murder illegal so that will stop.

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>>674065060
It's NOT a societal problem because most people don't use cars to carry out killings. That's why it's a DRIVE-BY, not a DRIVE-OVER.

And insofar as it's a car problem the solution is to pass legislation that makes roads and drivers safer. That's why it's ILLEGAL to drive impaired, or ILLEGAL to own a car after certain criminal convictions. The car thing is actually a pretty good illustration of my point.

when someone on 4chan calls me a "libtard" it means that i've shown that i have more empathy than jeffrey dahmer

i'm so ashamed

>>674065352
But we don't ban cars based on arbitrary aesthetic features, the way we do with guns.

>>674065510
this

>>674065352
And when I say "use cars to carry out killings" I mean that the vehicle itself is not the murder weapon.

>>674065510
But it does usually mean you are a shitty human being.

>>674065639
we got it

>>674065658
be careful, you may trigger shle's PTSD

>>674065315
Apparently i had to, since you didn't want to admit that guns are large factor of mass killings.
Do you have any sources of mass killings being carried out with close combat weapons? With a car you might even get lucky.

>>674065571
Lol please run a Google search on the most powerful guns you can legally buy in the US. Why do you need rounds that can stop African Savannah wildlife?


This is literally what all these arguments start to sound like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JdXGW4hDRU

>>674065829
a "mass killing" means that more than three people died. That's the only criteria. Lots of car "mass killings" have happened. They just aren't called that on tv, or even reported about because it doesn't further a political agenda.

The guns aren't a cause, they're just a tool used. I'm pretty sure most of those shooters were wearing shoes. If we ban these "assault shoes", often used in mass school shootings, maybe our children would be safer. Maybe you backwards racists should let go of your attachment to dangerous assault shoes. You're probably just compensating for something anyways ;).

Doesn't that argument sound ridiculous when it's used about anything other than guns?

>>674066213
>NEED
I don't need it. But i'm constiutionally garunteed the right to own it so fuck you and WANT to tell people you've never met what inanimate hunks of metal they can and can't own.

>>674066409
"fuck you and your WANT"

derp

>>674066253
Yeah, because the argument ONLY APPLIES TO GUNS.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/12/gun-violence-car-deaths-charts

Note the definite downward trend of deaths caused by ONE tool that is regulated when shit happens vs. ANOTHER "tool".

>>674066409
So why am I not constitutionally guaranteed the right to own a silo with a nuclear-tipped ICBM on my property? Won't you please fight for my right to own this inanimate hunk of metal? Won't you please fight for my right to party?

>Ohpleaseohpleaseohplease make an argument deferring to the "constitution" ohpleaseohgod.

>>674047110
Sending the right messages here.

>>674066253
Not if you put in the right context. Since wearing shoes has nothing to do with killing, unless you stick it down someone throats. A fairer comparison would be to ban shoes at a barefoot race, since they would give you an unfair advantage.

Three seems like few people, but I guess technically you're right then, there have been a lot more mass killings with cars than I anticipated.
Then again how many mass school beat ups and stabbings have there been in recent history?

I also like how you jumped on assault weapons, that I hadnt mentioned yet and try to imply I have a small dick.
Running out of arguments?

>>674066253
And we don't even need to call it a "mass killing", I just thought it was obvious that for the purposes of this discussion "mass killing" meant purposeful death inflicted by one party onto another. Let's use "mass murder" instead, whynot? The criteria is technically a bit more stringent I suppose but it actually helps further MY argument.

>>674066906
My point is that I've never committed a violent crime with a gun and most of the ~80 million gun owners haven't either. Making us criminals by changing laws governing what our guns look like is retarded. So maybe you should shut up and let people live their lives.

>>674063943
But its bad for the enviroment which is ethically evil. People should ride bikes instead. Then noone will get hit by a car or involved in a colission.

Jesus christ it is exhausting to debate with people who won't change their mind. It's unfortunate that one side wants everyone to mind their own business and one wants to break down my door to inspect my closet for "child murdering sticks".

>>674067691
So you would be okay with allowing every country in the world with equal access to nukes, right? Just because a few bad eggs like N. Korea and Iran spoil the bunch a bit doesn't mean every one else can't be trusted to not bring about nuclear holocaust.

>>674068049
yes, in a free world that would be the case. Maybe we'd get lucky and someone would use them to kill 99% percent of people and restart societal evolution. That seems like the only solution to ~20 year olds telling the world we can't have tools we've used for hundreds of years because they "look scary"

>>674068049
>Literally arguing against guns and comparing it to a nuclear weapon.
Can you prononuce nuclear sweetheart? Have you at least played fallout? A gun doesnt make a landmass inhospitable. A nuclear device sure can though.

>>674068031
100% on your side dude. Nobody should be able to dictate what I do in my own four walls.
Shoot a gun, fuck a prostitute, sell and buy Palestian slave maids, it's my fucking home!

>>674068049
>Yet we Ban North Korea from having them
>Yet they are saying they are testing them
>Clearly banning things from "Criminals" works

Your argument literally proves how pointless both sides are.

>>674067784
I'd be okay with that. Or at least the doing away with cars over time in favor of safer, more environmentally-friendly options like more bike paths, high-speed rail systems, etc. So... yeah, thanks for the freebie.

I guess in our present situation a car is less ethically evil since its primary function is transportation, not death/injury. Collisions/environmental hazards are unfortunate side effects of irresponsible car ownership that are actually REGULATED in response to tragedy/misuse.

>>674068500
Ohhhhhh, so there is a point where a weapon becomes too powerful for a single person to have control over it?
How much destructive force is a bomb allowed to have so I can just about be trusted with it?

>>674068567
Exactly. Because criminals will still commit crimes unless they decide not to or are stopped

>>674068464
So you don't have a real answer to the question unless the conditions of your answer include living in another dimension or "free world" as you so put it. 'K.

>>674068722
Shooting one person is not the same as tainting the land millions live on. 1 dead person isnt the same as 1000, or even 10. But nuclear arms simply created an issue known as MAD. Guns dont do that. Cars dont do that. Knives dont either.

>>674068722
According to the federal government, when your black powder rocket exceeds 1lbs. Devices designed to explode using flash powders is entirely illegal.

Why are you trying to make a point of something without understanding the way the laws work?
>maybe you shouldn't be telling us firearms owners how "dangerous" guns are to society

>>674068948
You mean...

You dont have an answer that isn't Yes to the question you asked?

Yes was the answer

>How can you be this stupid?

Just because you didn't like his answer doesn't mean its not an answer. You asked if everyone should have equal access to nukes. he said yes.

What other kind of answer did you want?

>>674068948
you don't want to live in a free world? 'K

>>674068464
> dealing with opinionated 20 y/o is too hard
> i'd rather have a nuclear winter

>>674069124
>>Mfw you get put on watch lists if you buy your own supplies for reloading or too much fertilizer

>>674069252
yes

This is literally how awful liberals are. Too bad I can't find one of these scary mass murders to shoot me. Maybe they aren't as prevalent as the tv is telling me.

>>674068567
You know we don't just "do nothing" about N. Korea, right? They're so cut off from the world because of their government's nuclear program that people are starving or trying to get out. And either they will continue testing to the point that finally China's concerns over regional stability will overcome its ideological support for the Kim regime and will allow NATO operations to commence (like what almost happened during the Clinton administration) or the people will overthrow the government. The clock is ticking.

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>>674044828

LIBTARD

-Juvenile portmanteau of "liberal" and "retard"

FACT: there is a large IQ gap and an even larger education completion level gap between liberals and conservatives favoring liberals.

This term is erroneous and likely used by butthurt, whiny, uneducated conservatives. The same kind who likes to call college students and graduates the "educated elite" or "snobs".

Verdict: Eat a dick, OP.

>>674069124
That's good to know, I was just surprised that suddenly the weapon is too powerful.
I mean a couple post backs we were still arguing that a gun and a knife apparently pose the same danger in the hands of mentally unstable person trying to kill as many people in a school.
So surely a bomb must be as dangerous as a knife or gun too, it's not the device that kills, it's the person.

>>674069112
Exactly and stabbing a person doesn't come close to shooting 30.

>>674069506
They called me a name because they don't like my opinions? they must be of the group i hate because i don't like their opinions.

Libertarian here, both sides of this horrible system are shit. Still waiting for snake plisken to come turn the power off. SJW will be BTFO.

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>>674044828
i was a liberal before i entered this thread and now i have seen the light thank you /b/ you are each intelligent, reasonable, and level-headed individuals

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>>674044898

Nice try, Koch Bros!

Fair = matching/equivalent total payment to percentage or percentile of GDP your income bracket affects.

When the top 10% own 90% of the total wealth of the nation, "70% of taxes" (even if this were true) is still not enough for a fair share.

>>674068948
But we don't live in a free world. We never have. Social institutions govern human behavior, like "don't kill people", which are then codified as law because they are institutions that are beneficial to the survival of society. So when I ask you if you are okay with the idea of EVERY country having access to nuclear warheads unless we decide that a particular country would be incapable of using them lawfully, I'm talking about the here and now, the world that is NOT free of the rule of law but in fact requires it at multiple levels of political and social organization. So when you say "in a free world" you are creating an ideal type which has no practical use for this discussion.

>>674069252
Marry me.

>>674069392
And we are collectively supposed to trust people who say things like this with guns. Oh hallelujah.

>>674069598
>knives kill to little to be relevant
>nukes kill a lot and are relevant

I think that ruling is retarded, I never said bp rockets were too powerful i said they are illegal. Go on youtube and see how many 12 year olds that stops from making "kewl boms"

My point is you don't know the laws or the circumstances surrounding them. So your argument for guns needing to be more illegal is invalid.

>>674069598
And shooting 30 still isnt even close to nuclear fallout. Thats like saying stepping on a nail is the same as a land mine. It still isnt wonderful for you, but one is ineffably worse.
>nice try kiddo

>>674053520

Completely retarded non-sequitur.

Cars have a primary function of transportation and vehicular harm is incidental. Firearms' primary function IS harm and death. Furthermore, we regulate, register, track and require testing of users of cars. If ONLY we had those kinds of controls on guns and gunowners!

>>674069452
>Geo world politics
>noshit.jpg

Of course we do something about them, we started purely because our cold war conflict with the soviets (not about Nukes). Once again though your trying to pollute an issue with irrelevant shit.

You were trying to prove a point by saying that guns = nukes. Which on face value is called an a straw-man argument because its tremendously exaggerating the position. With that being said, I used your own "logic" against you pointing out that just banning something doesn't stop them from trying to make it themselves.

Will we do something about it? Maybe but we won't know until then. I can almost guarantee if Bernie wins the election we won't, man has exactly zero fucking balls. But that's another argument.

However, back on topic, your argument has no merit because you don't want to "ban" guns from honest citizens. You want to ban "guns" from everyone. This is counter to your "nuke" argument already because several different countries already have nukes. To ban nukes would mean NOBODY has them. Not just the countries we don't like.

Basically, your trying to argue a point that sounds good on paper and is awesome when your circle jerking your facebook friends that all agree with you. But when you put that argument up against people who don't just agree with you on the "principal" of the issue, you should now be able to see what a fallacy in logic it really is.

PS. Throwing more extraneous bullshit such as geo-world politics into a discussion that has nothing to do with it, is stupid.

>>674070135
Why, because my exaggerative words offended you? That isn't a threat moron, people don't need to be nice to each other. You don't need to trust me because the founding fathers already did. Either way, and this may come as a surprise to you, IVE NEVER SHOT ANYONE. The idea that we actually base prohibitive laws on the opinions of people like you is what's unbelieveable. oh hallelujah

>>674070424
But thats wrong

1."vehicular harm" is involved in more deaths per year than guns
2. firearm's primary function ISN'T harm and death, that is your opinion based on fear. Guns are used in the god damned olympics. how many people have died in mass olympic shooting?
3. we only regulate cars being used on public roads. Not private ownership.
4. why do you want control over a group of non-violent law abiding people?

>>674070178
The nuclear weapons thing isn't an argument for DEGREES of awfulness, it's one of scale. The idea is that many institutions that govern behavior at the national level are also used at the international level. So if the most dangerous weapons the average country can own are banned, why are the most dangerous weapons a citizen can own not banned? They both allow individual units (country/person) to cause destruction well beyond the scope of their normal abilities.

>>674070823
dudeeeeee
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>>674070424
UH, we do. Not everybody follows the rules to the letter but to buy a new gun you get checked and you're SUPPOSED to let the Fed's know when/to whom you sell it. But there are plenty of uninsured/suspended license/drunk drivers out there too.

>>674047110
I want to paint myself black and rape and murder his wife. Then say I was a political activist and be pardoned.

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>>674054864
That would still be the people. Because we have need of nutritionists, and nutritionists come from people who manage to eat food, people must have a right to maintain access to food.

>>674052955
Would need to see some more stats.
Like, amount of poor people.
Never been to Detroit but it's economy is supposed to be fucked. Fucked economy -> higher crime

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>>674053020
Kek.
I'm pretty sure pic number 2 (fuck neo-nazis) is pretty much EXACTLY the sort of thing they meant to protect.

>>674047685
People take them to get to work and/or school. If they are being productive why do you hate them?

>>674070950
what?

Pardon me for being touchy about being told my hobby is a drain on society and here that people think without question that I am a violent conservative because I like things that are different than the norm. It's very similar to the oppression of lbgt rights. I know you liberals hate to hear that but the media's gun control agenda really is oppressing people because of their lifestyles. I have like guns as long as I can remember.

>>674070441
I would love to completely ban nuclear weapons, too, for EVERYONE. Thought that would have been obvious. That the US owns nuclear weapons is both a savage hypocrisy and incredibly dangerous.

Also, the word is "geopolitics", not "geo-world politics". My degree is in foreign affairs with a concentration in IR theory. I've written papers on geopolitics for academic journals. I have a small library of literature on current affairs and IR theory at home. My point isn't that banning the N. Koreans from having nuclear weapons didn't stop them from trying to make them but rather that violations of that ban incurred penalties from the international community. I would also note that there is no consensus on how far along N. Korea is with its nuclear program.

>>674070823
What is a gun's primary function outside of sport, for which you do not need guns other than those already used for regulated athletic competition?

>>674071697
Do you though?
If guns are the problem then they are the problem. If the problem isn't gun but economy and poor people...then what does banning gun do? It does nothing.

You literally just hit the nail on the head but then instead of taking the right leap of logic (maybe guns aren't the problem?) and instead wanted to find some numbers that make guns the problem.

The Gun problem isn't the problem. The problem is the CRIME problem. You want to fix the gun "problem" you fix the crime problem. TO fix the crime problem you need to fix the broken economy and education system.

>>674066213
Why do you need 450 bhp when there is a speed limit.
Why do you need cola and 7 up


Its just not relevant is it , there are so few people that die from guns, then the gun that you describe is used against bears , you can kill some one with a 22. too.
Its just not relevant when only 3000 people die by guns, most of those are righteous shooting or gang related

>>674071847
kek this detail I'm coming up with an explanation invalidates the whole thing
kek
kek kek kek

Isn't free speech supposed to be about the freedom to say ANYTHING? Every one of those examples of free speech should be allowed in the country.

>>674059782
I have a bowl of M&Ms with 10,000 M&Ms in it.
10% of them will kill you if you eat even one of them.
50% of them will kill you when you stop eating if you eat more of them than you do of the 40% that are safe.
How many M&Ms will you eat?

>>674071986
Pic of degree with timestamp faggot

>>674072195
sport (this is a valid function), hunting, collection (why do you NEED those old stamps?) and exercising your legal right to own one.

What guns are "already used for regulated athletic competition"? because that is just banning arbitrary aesthetic features that have no real effect on the function of the gun. which doesn't nothing for crime, just limits peoples freedom to accessorize their property.

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>>674071753
swoon