>>673080460
inb4 "how does bernie pay for all of this free stuff?"

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

>>673080460
bernie sanders is next u.s. prez
/thread

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>673080460

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NICE BALLS CHIMPO

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>>673080460

Roosevelt 2.0.

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>>673080460
>free college
>free health care
>MORE S.S.
>paid ... e

Where is all of this money coming from you idiot burn cuck? It's gonna come from my tax dollars, your tax dollars, and you parents fucking tax dollars.

Fuck off, NOTHING in this world is free.
"No such thing as a free lunch in the business world."

>>673080460
everybody always forgets that Sanders is probably the only candidate that for net neutrality, or even knows what it is

>>673081647
"hurr durr, i didn't read the first comment in the thread"

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

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>>673081672
>single issue voter cancer

>>673081647
See >>673080562

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>>673080460
>lie
>lie
>lie
>lie
>we already get that unless you work at mcdonalds

>>673081745
here's a better one
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform

>>673080460
He will kill all farming in America with his $15 an hour minimum. Yes there will be an exemption for agriculture but, if you could make 15 an hour flipping burger in an air conditioned building or only make 9 an hour picking peppers in 100 degrees which would you pick?

Seriously, all food will double in price. And forget about landscape plants because there will be no government subsidies for that shit.

>>673081647
Would you change your opinion if all that equated to a tax rise that cost you ~$1000 a year? Something like that seems like a pretty good deal to me.

(Disclaimer: I have no idea how much it would actually cost, but how much would you be willing to pay?)

>>673081745
hurr durr, NONE of that shit will pass.
It's not just Burn making these changes, the house has to agree to all of this shit as well, that's the only way it can be passed.
You really think they will pass something on taxing wall street? haha, good luck fam.

>>673080460
Fuck off nigger faggot I work for a living. This little piece of shit just panders to worthless lazy fucks.

>>673081827
free health care, education, and more social security money > higher taxes

you'll make more money in the end. thank me later.

>>673080460

Weren't you stupid children old enough to remember this great heap of garbage in 2008? "Hope and Change! Everything will be great again! Unemployment won't break 8% ever because Stimulus! Obamacare will give everyone healthcare!"

It was all lies then and it's all lies now. Why can't you stupid, gullible faggots ever learn?

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>>673082066
> Because the rich needs more money from the rest of the people

Fuck you 1%er

Again? This identical post from about an hour ago.

How much does the Sanders campaign pay you to shill here?

>>673082114
>All food will double in price

Being this retarded. Labor is not their only cost, so why in the hell would prices go up by 100%?

I wish Bernie could provide all those things. But it's pie in the sky. The wealthy 1 percent own the republican senators and they wont let Bernie get anything thru congress. And when there is another terrorist attack I would rather have Hillary in the white house.

>>673082288
you're implying that the rest of the people need more money from the rich

fuck you, piece of shit moocher

>>673080460
more promises he can't deliver. you forgot that one OP. the blacks ain't falling for his shit but you stupid white kids are.

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>>673080460
Sorry, man.
I'm voting for the alpha.

>>673082228
>I the lazy millennial will make equal to the hard working middle class by lowering their living standards

>>673080460
>we will give you free stuff
>pls donate

HAHAHAHAAAHAAHAHHA SAGE

>>673082205
That's not true at all. Just because someone works hard does not mean they can afford healthcare and a college education.

The amount you make is not directly linked to work ethic. Why shouldn't someone working a full time job be able to afford healthcare?

>>673081827
i read it, thank you.
>>673082133
I'm really not sure. I've been struggling for a good job for a while now, and I'm happily employed these last three years. I would Hate to see my money get taxed even more. You raise a great point. Not sure where I would draw the line.

>>673081832
great job spelling 'bullying',

>>673080460
the thing about free college is, if it actually becomes free, it's immediately going to become a whole lot more expensive to fund just based on the amount of people that are going to start attending

>>673082654
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>>673082114
People have no idea how devastating that $15 dollar an hour minimum will be to the middle class, the inflation will make anyone with an average income instantly poor. I goddam hate the lazy fucks that don't consider this.

>>673082143
and voting for corrupt politicians like hillary is better?

bernie is trying to do the right thing. what will and will not pass is a complete unknown. no other candidates get the same speculation he does. why? because speculating on the unknown makes no sense.

i'm voting for bernie because he's the best candidate.

>>673082361
>>673082420
>inb4 inexperienced mill...
literally the worst generation.

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>>673080460
Could someone please tell me who will be paying for all this free stuff? I mean come on the money has to come from somewhere. Photo not related but kind of is

>>673082722
> calling someone lazy because they have to work two jobs due to minimum wage being so fucking low

Wat

>>673082228
Only the health care and education the government wants you to have. Only the wealthy will have enough money left over to do better. The rest of us will be stuck. Just like Cuba, China, Venezuela, the former Soviet Union, etc.

>>673080460
How's he gonna pay for all that? They are indeed things that would greatly improve the overall standard of living in the US, but they won't be free, and they won't be well received. This is why he's just a lying piece of shit like anyone else running, except Trump who's pretty much promising to ass-fuck the country further into the ground. He's not magical. He's got to actually get this shit past Congress, and then fund it somehow. If you think that's going to happen within the next four to eight years, you are as delusional as he is. Maybe moreso, since in all likelihood he's just making empty promises, as politicians are well known for doing.

Hes not even president yet and has already started asking for our money
Come on

>>673082654
why even go to college if you can make the same money scooping horseshit?

Way to devalue the efforts of those who actually tried to better themselves Bernie

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>>673080460
It amazes me how bat shit crazy sanderfags are, just how stupid can you be. Most of you faggots are parasites to society anyway and barely pay any taxes.

>>673082432
better than the rich getting more money from the poor

>>673082770
>implying Bernie is any different

>>673082830
"hurr durr didn't read the first post in the thread"

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

>>673082552
Yeah it applies to skill as well, If you don't have skills you don't get paid as much. That's life, don't get mad because someone makes more than you. You should work to improve yourself. I paid for my college with the GI bill.

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>>673080460
He's a fucking Jew! Has the world gone insane? You'd trade the presidency to a Jew for an few pieces of silver? Fuck

>>673082871
get good, get money

>>673082830
>being this retarded

>>673082722
Not to mention all the layoffs.

>>673082955
As he already said, he's hoping they can replace a lot of people in office right now. Many of those seats are open for election soon, and if we can vote him in, the hope is that we will continue to be involved in politics and vote like minded individuals in as well.

He's going to pay for it by taxing those making over a certain amount slightly more; the millionaires and billionaires who use tax loopholes and take more from the economy than they currently provide. (inb5 jerbs)

>>673083111
this
>>673082066

>>673083249
name the "loopholes"

>>673080460
None of those policies ever pass Congress. He'd be a lame duck and then once Israel bends him over he will hand over all our shekels to them.

>>673083117
No one is mad that you make more. The point is, the difference between a skilled job and an unskilled job should not be whether or not you can afford healthcare of an education, it should be the difference between a basic lifestyle of a luxurious one.

>>673082871
Theres no reason you should be working a minimum wage job after a certain age and experience. My last minimum wage job was fucking dunkin donuts and that was when I was in fucking high school. Stop being a piece of shit and ask for handouts because you dont want to be an adult

>>673083249
>who use tax loopholes

Name five.

Hell, name three.

Sage this is cancer. This is spam. Get a job and vote GOP.

>>673082586
I'm in the UK, so health care etc. Is free for us anyway (Though always seemingly under threat.)

I make an average living, £21k. I'd quite happily pay a little bit extra to secure the safety of the NHS, and education services. Not just for me, but for others too.

The thing that I'm trying to get across is that it would be more expensive than now, but it still might be a good deal. Better than what you have now even.

That said, it's your decision. Do I personally think that even if Sanders were elected, you would see all these reforms in his term? No, but I think it would get people inspired for the change. It could set the ball rolling for the next generation.

Maybe anyway. I know I'll be voting Labor next Uk election..

>>673083358
or**

>>673082830
the rich actually paying taxes

>>673083504
It's not free. I don't think you know what free is.

>>673083249
>thinking that retards that would vote for uncle b even know who their reps or senators are.

>>673082552
The problem is you equate a fill time job cooking fries with a full time job designing aircraft. Why should someone be entitled to insurance that probably costs more than their labor is worth? The only responsible business case is to let that employee go, unless you think a Big Mac will sell for 15 bucks.

>>673083504
I have all that stuff you mentioned because I studied hard and got a good job. Fuck loser idiots that don't.

watch?v=xCHfH0WABTY

>>673082871
Last time I had a minimum wage job I was in high school, smoked weed and ate pills all the time. If you have a job that's suited for a stoned teenager you need to reevaluate your life.

>>673083399
It's not asking for a hand out. It's asking for work to actually pay off. If you're willing to get off your ass and work a full time job(skilled or unskilled) you should be able to afford healthcare.

Now, if you want nice luxurious things, you should strive for a higher paying job. Healthcare shouldn't be a fucking luxury.

>>673083601
The top 10% of earners pay 90% of all tax revenues. They actually pay taxes.
>damn you are fucking stupid

>>673083342
"loopholes" is just the new "pork barrel spending" buzz word

>>673080460
FUCK OFF

>>673082586
> higher taxes
> save thousands of dollars on education and healthcare

its a no brainer

>>673083670
How am I equating the two? I never said they should both make the same amount. What I am saying is both workers deserve healthcare. That's a YUGE difference.

>>673083601
There's only an entire industry designed to help the rich avoid paying taxes. They're is literally no way to force people to pay taxes when its cheaper to them to pay someone to figure out to avoid it.

>>673083601
>actually paying

The rich already fund most of the government, you ignorant fool. The top quintile of earners pay 84% of taxes.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/top-20-of-earners-pay-84-of-income-tax-1428674384

You're a freeloader.

i wanna get pregnant by bernie and i am male

>>673080460
Quick name one person in the Senate who supports Bernie Sanders
>protip: You can't

>>673083942
As if the rich can't move out of the US if they feel like it. Move to Greece and never pay taxes!

>>673083787
they get massive tax cuts for absolutely no reason. The rich gets more welfare than the poor, how is that not fucked up?

>>673083942
Yeah let's just throw links around.

http://www.factandmyth.com/the-middle-class/the-rich-pay-all-the-taxes-myth

Calling someone a freeloader without knowing what they make. As if a wealthy person can't support sanders.

>>673080562
>tax
>tax
>tax
>tax
>tax

Please explain to me how average Joe, who never went to school, but works in the trades, benefits in any way from having his paycheck taxed into oblivion?

I mean, I make 140k/yr as a carpenter. Why do I care if Jamal goes to college or gets a good trauma surgeon when he gets shot?

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>>673083161
I believe you are the retard dear sir

>>673084481
Because a more educated healthy population only improves the economy in multiple ways for everyone?

Most americans are fucking retarded and look at how we're going down the shitter.

>>673084448
>As if a wealthy person can't support sanders

Show me your horns, Jew.

>>673084422
Its called "the same system that bernie supporters use to get child tax credits"
just on a grand scale considering how much money is involved.

People who make more already pay a shit ton of taxes. This whole fair share shit is garbage. The only "fair" thing woud be a completely flat tax

its about time someone like Bernie got in there. I am tired of slaving away in a call center just because my grades weren't as high as some of the white kids who had personal tutors paid for by mommy and daddy. I deserve to make more.

>>673084481
because if you accidentally break your hand if a hammer, you can go to the ER and not have to pay a dime.

your children can go to college for free. you'll get more money from social security. the country will prosper.

literally endless reasons.

>>673084614
I know, people are actually believing the shit Bernie is spewing

>>673082957
Right, because NO other person running for office EVER asks for campaign contributions. Fucking artard.

>>673084754
you deserve more because you are dumb and have no skills?

>>673084448
>just throw links around

Not all sources are created equal, faggot. IRS data trumps your bullshit propaganda links.

You could just not be a lazy prick and go research the matter, but that's too hard. You'd rather just shit out whatever you find the quickest that claims to support your existing opinion.

Free Free Free Free, Paid for Paid for, Free Free the words of Bernie the Socialist. The country is on the verge of economic collapse with trillions of dollars in debt and people believe things are gonna get better with this. If your voting for Bernie your part of the problem. Also get your head checked.

>>673083504
I've worked for the NHS for nearly 20 years mate. It doesn't need more money. It needs a massive senior/middle management purge, direct accountability for achieving value for money, an end to corruption/theft and cronyism and it is not an International Health Service.
The USA would do well to look at the NHS as a lesson on how not to provide free healthcare.

>>673084787
>>673084754
He's a Jew! You're saying you're going to vote for a filthy Jew!

>>673084614
Sorry, I don't see how hard working self made Americans being forced to pay the way for pan handlers benefits anyone other than the leeches. He is literally telling me that he's taking food off my table to benefit someone else. Fuck that.

>>673084787
>if you broke your hand with a hammer at work you're covered by your employer you moron. You dont pay for it anyway

Social security is already a failing system

>>673084704
A flat tax is inherently unfair to the middle class. The less money you have, the more value each $1 has. Paying 15% on $30,000 a year would hurt and could be the difference between having money for a certain need or not, while 15% of $1,000,000 will be like pocket change.

The percentage need not be equal, but the effect the tax has on a person's life should be equal. If the higher income person is paying what amounts to pocket change for them, then the same should apply to the lower income earner.

>>673084704
Fair would be that those who have more money than they could ever spend AT LEAST pay the same amount of taxes as the average worker.
How does stockpiling trillions of dollars in banks help anyone?

>>673085070
yes i do, i didnt have equal opportunities due to low income, now I am just doomed to repeat that cycle. How is that at all my fault? Its not, its the rich white kids parents fault, so i dont feel bad taking their money. After all i deserve it

>>673083621

It's paid for by my taxes, and I have no issue with this. What I mean by "free" is that if I get hit by a car and have to spend a few nights in hospital, I am not then in a crippling amount of debt when I'm discharged.

>>673083683

There's something to be said for this opinion too. I'm also a little bitter about freeloaders and wasters who take up the resources of those that legitimately put in, but then there are some people who simply are not able to work, are not able to contribute as much as others. People with physical disabilities are a prime example, or people who have developed mental issues such as dementia and altzheimers (And then those who need to look after them).

I harbour no ill will towards them, and I realise that without my contributions they could be very much high and dry. To me, it's worth the wasters if I can contribute to helping someone who genuinely needs it.

>>673080460
hold on OP, let us at the fed print up a few trillion more to support your budget!
also its not free college. "significantly decreased" can be as little as 1000 dollars off.
>dumb bernie people

>>673085151
Definitely agree, but still, of all the things our country provides for us I hold it the single most important.

>>673085204
They already pay more than the average worker snd that is somehow not fair

>>673085434
go back to Africa, you'll be the richest one there

1. More jobs (because laborers go to work in easier jobs due to raised wages)
2. Free college (more job openings as professors go broke due to lower salary)
3. Free health care (because we want higher taxes and doctors want less money)
4. Not sure why this one is good
5. Fuck off at this point

I'd rather have fascism.

>>673084481
You aren't even close to being affected by the new tax rates.

>>673085190
We will all get free healthcare, and we will all be paying taxes. What is wrong with that?

You already take money from others. You use public roads, public schools(unless you went to private school), the protection of the police and military and the list goes on. Some of which are arguably less important than healthcare.

But ooh god forbid we suggest we add one more thing to the list of things that we fund with our taxes.

Anyhow, he'd be taxing those making much more than you make. Those who already benefit the most from the taxes the middle class already pays.

>>673085434
Story upon story about people who overcame the situation they were born in and all you can do is bitch about it.

>>673085195
It's called workman's compensation. SSI is what layabouts who claim disability from drug-use or made-up illnesses go on.

>>673085793
yes, we all are

>>673085853
this

>>673085840
>being this ignorrant

>>673085840
You know what why dont we just all get taxed 100%
Everything will be free and nobody will ever have to worry

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>>673085853
so because of anomalies in the system that should be taken that everyone can do it? Please, try swapping places with me, and tell me how i could do things differently.

>>673080460
sorry op, im voting for trump

>>673084754
Clumsy bait

>>673085853
>Story upon story
>Anecdotes
>Out of millions of people

Until there are as many jobs as people in this country, it is impossible for everybody to make something more of themselves.

Also this anon here >>673086131

>>673086001
Im saying SSI is failing. I know they are different.

Create your own wealth faggot.

>>673085645
but they dont. Buffet constantly brag about paying 18% taxes, dont get fooled

>>673085840
I'm a gigantic fat faggot who has casual unprotected sex with every scummy whore I can afford so I have three STDs. I smoke constantly and have a wracking cough. My blood pressure is abominable. I'm on six different kinds of medication and am being monitored as a pre-diabetic.

Pay my bills.

>>673085434
Here is the core issue. You don't deserve fuck all. You and your generation of entitlement are looking for a candidate who will champion your cause of 'gib me moniez'.

You are not owed anything. Why on earth should someone else who works 70+ hours a week have to pay your way through anything? If you truly wanted to change your situation, you are fully capable of doing that. It may not be easy, but it's doable.

Once again though, your comfort comes first, right?

>>673085141
https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

>>673084754
You don't deserve shit. No ones entitled to shit. Please kill yourself

>>673086131
>get a job
>profit
wow that was easy

what would you do?
>quit job
>buy a gat
>shot cop
>get shot
>???
>profit?
nice plan Jamal

The world is not black and white, when will you fucks learn that?

Some people can overcome obstacles by working hard, some people will work HARDER and not make it out and some will make it out being a LAZY fuck.

As long as that group includes those working hard but struggling, I'm willing to pay more taxes to help. If that means a few freeloaders get a free ride, so be it, that's an entirely separate issue that we need to find an answer for.

To completely deny the possibility of free healthcare or free education that would benefit America as a whole just because of a few freeloaders would be ignorant in my opinion. Let's tackle the issues separately. Why let a few fuck it up for the rest of us.

>>673085204
By acting as capital, to be lent out, to create new businesses, to create jobs, and the cycle goes on.

15 min wage sounds great until you're the one in a min wage job. Busting your ass at a shit job will get you nothing because lazy ass Tyrone that doesn't do shit will still be getting paid the same as you. The company will not give you a raise because it is struggling just to give you 15 an hour.

Everything will go up in price defeating the whole idea. You will still be poor and the middle class will be crippled more than it already is.

End goal: Eliminate the middle class.

>>673086091
>>673086086
Good rebuttals.

wait wait wait, do you guys really think its even possible for bernie to be elected with these super delegates? bern man beat hitlery in michigan, but got less delegates.
>dumb bernie people

>>673086391
Tfw there are less jobs than humans

If Donald trump and Bernie sanders go head to head in a debate, trump will literally tear them a new asshole

>>673086311
you make more money in the end with bernie's policies. you also help the country as a whole.

>>673081316
Nice balls, chimpo.

>>673086307
So one type of person is enough reason for you to not want something that would benefit more people than would freeload off of it?

We will always have freeloaders, no one likes that idea, but we can't use that as an excuse to not have nice things.

>>673086338
THIS
>>673082066

>>673086733
>same with hillary you dummy

>>673086541
>Thinking prices will increase proportionately to the wages of bottom-feeders.
>Being this new at economics.

>>673086750
You make more money but the prices of everything goes up. Please learn some fucking economics you moron

>>673086477
thats the opposite of what happens
Having a high taxation on the rich forces them to invest, a low taxation means they can just stuff it in the mattress; taking it out of the economy

>>673085605
Oh I'm with you on that. I've also lived in a few countries that have nothing and you really get to appreciate just how incredible the NHS really is.
Makes it even more of a tragedy to watch it collapsing.

>>673086982
I refer you to >>673086896

>>673086800
you can't use your laziness as an excuse to get them.

>>673086311
once again though, tell me again what i could be doing differently.

I am 23, work in a call center, no job experience because i could not afford college. Scholorships were used on people with better made up sob stories. So now i have a useless skill, i got decent grades, but other employers dont even take a second look at my application once they see my name Tielyr, because they know immediately I am an african american. Just to get an apartment in this shit hole city takes up 80% of my income, so how can I afford to obtain new skills?

I had a 3.5 GPA when exiting high school. I did all i can, but am still stuck due to the life i was born into, there is no ladder. Bernie offers to give me one.

>>673086896
You're a dumbass. If minimum wage goes up Owners would have no choice but to lay off workers and businesses would close. There's no way small business much less big businesses could afford to pay every employee $15 and keep earning profit.

>>673086338
LOL.................Like i said part of the problem. And good luck with that Wall Street tax. Hot air and piss in the wind a majority of his plan.

>>673087080
you must literally be 14, you haven't lived long enough to see it.

>>673087059
newtown high school? i go there

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FREE EVERYTHING

>>673086750
It's fine and dandy for me to make more money, but if everyone is making more money, guess what happens? The price of everything goes up. If I make $20/hr at mcdicks, that's awesome. Unless it costs $20 for a fucking big mac.

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>>673080460

bernie supporters you can't be this stupid

"free"

>>673086391
see:
>>673087152
I have a job, but there is literally no means of getting a better one under the current state

>>673087096
We're not. A healthy and educated population would benefit the country.

That and healthcare should not be a luxury. I don't see where lazy comes into play here?

>>673087080
If minimum wage goes up businesses will be lost. It's simple.

>>673087059
I find it really shocking how many Americans seem to "Not Want" free health care. I can't actually fathom a reason for this. The tax increase would be (relatively) low, and it would benefit their entire country and everyone living in it.

It's just one of several reasons why I never intend to live in that country :P

>>673086982
1. free health care
2. free education
3. more social security
4. higher pay

even with prices going up, you're still going to make more money.

checkmate.

#votebernie

>>673086800
>that would benefit more people than would freeload off of it?

Those doesn't make sense. It obviously benefits every freeloader. And since the benefits are individual and the costs spread out among society as a whole, there is not one single reason to NOT abuse the system.

>>673087237
Here was a study done across the entire US where they compared wages in bordering counties where there were wage differences.

http://www.irle.berkeley.edu/workingpapers/157-07.pdf

This should help dispel a lot of the misinformation and doom and gloom about increasing minimum wage.

>>673080460
Reported for soliciting :^)

>>673087324

bernie's "free" programs are like giving yourself a blood transfusion from your right arm to your left arm, and spilling half of it on the floor.

>>673087025
>Having a high taxation on the rich forces them to invest

That makes no fucking sense. If you take their money, they don't have any to invest, you colossal fucking idiot.

>I take your apples
>I expect you to plant apple seeds to grow more apples

>>673087225

That's a different argument than "prices will go up" you faggot. I agree $15 is too high though.
But you're still a faggot.

>>673087326
try looking
>>673087370
It would, we wouldn't have as many liberals

>>673087599
No reason not to abuse the system? What exactly do you mean by this? No one is advocating that a person who's working a minimum wage job to live luxurious or have nice things, only that healthcare should be affordable/free. Most people want nicer things, thus the strive for a better job.

>>673087599

yeah, worked in the soviet union

>>673087567
Just like the USSR, right?

>>673087567
>Thinking more money means more wealth
How about we print more money guys!

>>673087152
You either could have took out student loans and major in something worthy that's in a STEM field, start off at a community college and would probably be paid for since I'm guessing you're families poor with grants like the peel grant, get a trade in a worthy field like Welding or pipe fitting or join the military for 4 years get a job that you can use in the outside world and work that job in the outside world or use your GI bill to attend college. That's what's wrong with this generation, everyone thinks they're entitled to shit but they aren't. The world is a tough fucking place man and it shows no remorse.

>>673083249
>good fucking luck

>>673083436
>literally every fortune 500 company ever

Or did you seriously think that allowing them to promise to pay taxes in another country instead was a reasonable approach to corporate taxation?

>inb4 won't somebody think of the poor corporate conglomerates!

>>673087659
reported for
>>673087723

>>673087778
IF the rich dont want to pay the higher taxes they have to invest. How is this hard to understand?

>>673087867
socialism =/= communism

even then, bernie isn't a radical socialist. he's a nice mix of everything.

#votebernie

>>673087857
Basically, It should be the case that someone shouldn't have to pay to maintain their health.

Everything else is up to them.

>>673087567
While I'm going to be taxed 50% half my pay check gone for bum niggers who sit on their ass and don't get up and attempt to work.

>>673087152
Here is what you do:

1) find shared accommodation.
2) cancel everything that is not necessary that you have to pay for
3) save. Save, save, save, save.
4) night school/trade school
5) win at being self sufficient

You will only ever achieve what you're willing to achieve. I gave up all of my comforts for two years to become an instrumentation tech. Now I pull in almost 60 bucks an hour. Two years, versus the rest of my life. It wasn't a hard choice.

>>673088088
no, they will leave

Pretty much the only one of Bernie's economic policies I agree with is updating the tax code to prevent corporate inversions to other countries.

>>673081647
Since when are neckbeards a part of the 1%?

>>673087567
Do you understand that if College would be free a bachelors degree would be worthless. Everyone and their momma would have one and it would be near impossible to get a job, especially if the minimum wage was $15 companies would be laying off not hiring. You Bernie cucks make me cringe and don't know what the real world is like

>>673087857
It literally cannot be made any simpler. There is no reason for people to not abuse the system. Shit, you see this in America NOW. People ride welfare benefits and go to free clinics for no other reason than they want a sick day.

When there is no cost for a service, it gets swamped. It is overwhelmed. See: the VA, who started deliberately leaving patients to die rather than increase their workload.

Holy fuck, how can you ingenues be so IGNORANT? None of these ideas are new. They're from the 19-fucking-30s and BEFORE. They've been actually implemented in countries all over the world. You can SEE the effects. Maybe visit, I dunno, Eastern Europe.

They don't. Fucking. Work.

>>673082525
Which is what a cuck would do, hand the country to an alpha while you watch and masturbate in your corner...

>>673087563
Possibly because many are aware of what an economic albatross it could be if implemented badly. It's a great concept but when it gets rolled out by incompetent and/or corrupt politicians and civil servants it could be a national disaster. I'm sure there are many other reasons though.

>>673087829
wow, way to be over privileged

>>673088164
I think this is like the fucking number one false assumption that the entire ideology of most republicans is set on. That anyone who is poor is poor because they are lazy. The world ain't black and white, kids.

>>673088214
yeah, because they havent done that already. Even fucking Trump already moved production to China

>>673088352
Yes, because ever since free education was scrapped in Europe, our bachelors get us jobs and more pussy than jihadi john gets in muslim heaven...

>>673085453
Neither am I. I'm fiscally responsible, I have savings, and I buy my own insurance. Why the fuck would I want some government bureaucrat managing my healthcare?
>fuck you
>fuck big government
>fuck socialism

>>673088363
Or Canada? Fuck they're bad off. Better build a wall between us before they start coming through for healthcare.

>>673080460
Fuck you

>>673088546
capitalist cuckoldry... because if I follow the financial times on twitter, I'm a 1%er on minimum wage

>>673088088
>IF the rich dont want to pay the higher taxes they have to invest.

...so you're raising taxes for them NOT to be paid? That's asinine and you're a moron.

Rich people already invest their money, because the entire point of investments is to make more money.

Also, the idea that investments are not taxed is retarded. Dividends are taxed. Property is taxed. Every capital gain is taxed upon realization of gain. Friggin' retirement plans are taxed. Consumption is taxed.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. You're operating in a fantasy world.

>>673080460
how do I vote for him

>>673088433
>working minimum wage is "unfair" if you are black, but "overprivileged" if you are white
even your morals are shit bernie cuck

>>673088352
Right? Like that shithole Sweden, Finland and shit, no one there has any money at all.

>>673088352

exactly

only 25% of the population is really intelligent enough to benefit from college, so if 100% of people go, courses will be dumbed down (even moreso than now), and a college degree will become the new high school degree. everyone will have to become a phd to get an entry level job.

>>673080460

A few more people get jobs at the cost of decreased purchasing power for the entire nation, great idea you got their Bernie...

dubs and bernie dies tomorrow from a stroke

>>673088178
I appreciate you offering real advice

I have been saving up for night school but it seems the rising costs of living offset what i save each year,

I currently only have a cellphone so i can call my employer or family and have the cheapest plan available, take the bus to work and live as far out of town as i can that still grants bus access. Any further and I would have no way to get to my present job, and any closer and cheaper my life would be at risk daily (very black areas are known to have awful crime). I can only afford a studio apt as it is, so I cannot take on a roommate.

I have no family i can live with as most are losers or into illegal activity, so it is not beneficial for me to live with them, so i choose not to.

>>673082133
Socialized services are always sub-par to private ones. I'd rather pay $2,000 a year by choice than be forced to pay $1,000.

>>673084481

>140k/yr

>average Joe

>>673088809

no niggers in those countries. big difference.

>>673080460
>1. More jobs
Yeah that's how it works, the Gov says "let there be more jobs", and out of nowhere they appear.

>2. Free college
>3. Free health care
"Free" meaning higher taxes and more borrowing. Lets have free food, free cars, free homes and free internet too if it's so easy to have free stuff.
>4. More social security money
Oh, so the tax rises don't stop with the free stuff, there are more for this too. Yay!
>5. Paid family and medical leave
You sure about this one? You're going to run out of things to tax

>>673086131
There are people that make money from youtube videos. You can do SOMETHING

>>673088906
rolling

Look at all these political experts with their degrees and their jobs.
Are you all gonna cry like wittle babies if Bernie gets elected?

>>673087225
And the amount of full time workers would definitely diminish

>>673089055
You're right again, except by niggers I mean your stupid shit.

>>673088352
A bachelor's shouldn't be worth any less in that scenario. The people with the best GPAs from the best schools would still get most of the jobs, so it's not like a bunch of people going to state schools for free is going to fuck up the job market.

>>673088633
Canadian reporting in.

I need to see a neurologist. I was put on the list straight away because yay free health care. It's been 10 months and my migranes are now so bad that I need a steady supply of prescription pain meds which I have to pay for out of pocket. My appointment is in 4 months.

>>673088746
vote in your primary!

what state do you live in? i can give you primary dates with polling locations.

>>673088524
I recently graduated from college with a forensic science degree. I can not find a job at all, I apply to atleast 10 places a day across the country and only been called into an interview once. Imagine if millions more start getting bachelors degree, it would be worth nothing but just a piece of paper.

>>673086298
18% of how much money. You arent getting the point. His 18% is probably more money than you and could every imagine

>>673080562
Suppose he does get elected. How the hell do you think he'll get those tax reforms past congress? (He won't)

I mean, they're nice ideas and all, but be real.

>>673088633
Sarcasm is not an argument, you dumb kid.

And they DO come through for healthcare! Rich people all over the world who have a choice between socialized care at home and private care in the US come to the US for treatment, including friggin' royalty.

Arguing with you people is a total waste of time. You're completely fucking ignorant of world history and affairs of nations. You wax on about countries you've never visited and ignore facts you don't like. You make up a tax code that you can't understand, but that mysteriously ALWAYS supports whatever point you're trying to make at the time. Higher taxes on the rich will pay for everything! Higher taxes on the rich will increase investment!

Morons, all of you.

Roosevelt was called a socialist too before he went ham on the economy.

>>673081647
>I don't vote for progress because things never change
>Things never change because I don't vote for progress

Be this stupid

>>673089117
as VP to Hillary, no, I'll laugh

>>673089185
Bernie's plan won't have you paying out of pocket for medically necessary supplies not to mention if you need immediate attention, you're allowed to get it, not wait 4 months.

>>673088809
Their economies aren't exactly booming are they?

>>673088729
youre raising taxes so the rich cant stockpile infinite amounts of money without investing them which is what theyre doing now.

You really think someone making more money than he can spend will keep on investing and making new companies? I wonder whos living in a fantasy world

>>673089318
>went ham on economy
>not know he made it worse, and lengthened the depression on purpose

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>>673086007
You sure about that?

>>673089332
I still wouldn't vote for Billary at that point. She could nominate the most progressive people on her cabinet this country has ever seen and I still wouldn't vote for that deceitful whore.

>>673089205
NC

>>673088809
Is Sweden or Finland the most looked up to country in the world? the land that is of greatness and opportunity? Also compared to the US the population there is relatively low. Th don't have niggers and spics.

>>673089490
I'm going to need a source for that.

>>673089063
most of those people are retards or whores. I was not born with tits so my chances of success in that field are slim to none.

I am fine with working hard, but not being a modern day minstrel show

>>673080460
None of his policies will work.

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>>673088546
Personal property /= private property. Nice straw man though.

>>673089382
Do you think the original idea for Canada's healthcare system had one year waiting times?

Bernie's policies aren't all bad, they're just horrible TOGETHER. Like he imagines each of them in a vacuum.

Example:

>Higher tax rates.
>Higher minimum wage.
>Legalizing illegal immigrants.

So more people and less jobs? Sounds perfect.

>>673089252
And then when that doesn't work, we will be left with a cuck.

>>673088809
Overall unemployment in Sweden is 7.1% and 9.5% in Finland. Youth unemployment in both is over 20%.

You really want that in America too?

>>673088680
Kek

>>673089632
You cant turn down every possible path and then say you have no way out. You're making excuses.
Maybe you deserve to be where you are.

>>673089420
Much higher standards of living than here, plus their economies are doing fine.

>>673089576
I agree, but I call idiots like you niggers so we do have a bit of a problem here in the US. Also they are looked up to more than the US, plus they have more freedoms so...

>>673089495
"DON'T WORRY GUYS, I HAVE A GRPHIC MADE FOR A POLITICIAN ABOUT HOW THEY WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING AND THE PLAN IS PERFECT IN EVERY WAY!"

>>673089814
I don't think they thought it through too well honestly. If they had, you wouldn't have to wait 4 months to find out you have a tumor. (It's probably a tumor you have)

>>673088821
Happened in the UK. I got my first degree in 1990 and even then it was getting devalued.
Now they are common as fuck but kids are still leaving university tens of thousands in debt with no prospects. Should have picked a better subject I suppose but STEM are having problems as well.

I live in Copenhagen Denmark. The idea that we have money is false, my dad is a bartender and my mom is a teacher and most of their paycheck is taxed really high which leaves us with little money. Socialism is terrible, we have an influx of refugees who all of my parents hard earned taxed money goes to and other worthless stuff. Capitalism is the only way please vote trump

"The goal of Socialism is Communism." - Vladimir Lenin

>>673089382
14 months. My point was this >>673088363

When shit is free, that means EVERYONE who needs it will be in line and, the more specialized the care required, the longer the wait. There are parts of Canada where you will wait upwards of a year for MRIs or CT scans. This is in no way immediate care, and is entirely due to free health care.

>>673089607
https://mises.org/library/how-fdr-made-depression-worse
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409
http://fee.org/articles/fdrs-folly-how-roosevelt-and-his-new-deal-prolonged-the-great-depression/

>>673089950
as a swede Id take a proper salary over slave labor any day

>>673089994
>plus their economies are doing fine
That's not what the 20% of unemployed 18-24 year olds say.