It is all a dream

>>597053760
Every person you meet is a reflection of yourself at some point in your lifetime. Question is; how do you treat yourself?

God is dead, nothing is real.

>>597054364

I read word up magazine

The weak deserve to eat shit and die. It is all about power.

>>597053760
Everything that is or ever will be is part of a cycle, a never ending cycle. Make your decisions wisely, they're the one's you'll be repeating for eternity.

"Bearer Seek Seek Lest"

>>597054500
isn't there a whole short comic of sorts on that?

>>597054552
Every Sunday rap attack, Mr. Magic Marley Marl

>>597054500
I remembered when I figured this out, fucking blew my mind, never looked at people the same again.

Also time is the only thing ever to be that will remain forever as infinite and infinitesimal, everything else can change.

>>597054861
Time to get paid, blow up like the world trade

>>597055133
Born sinner, the opposite of a winner

The less you believe, the more you know.

>>597053760
Humans didn't create the concept of time. Time is the based off the rotation of the planets in our solar sytem.

"Spitters are quitters."
- Gloryhole swallow guy

597053760

>>597053760
>we all live in a simulated reality
>you know how every time you pull up to an empty street while driving and suddenly there's a few fucking cars out of nowhere?
>loading screen

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The world we inhabit is an error, an incompetent parody. Revulsion, disgust, is the fundamental virtue, and two routes of conduct lead us to it: abstinence or utter licentiousness, the indulgence of the flesh or its chastening.

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>>597054751
If everything is a cycle, your decisions are almost guaranteed to have already been made.

We're all living in a turtle's dream in outer space.

>>597054861
>sunday

fuck off cunt

Take drugs become a soul surfer
http://youtu.be/CCsDiOy66FY

>>597053760
You are the only one that is real in this world. You are the one that can perceive this world. You see everyone else, but you have no idea if they can see you, you only take their word for it. When you speak to them, they speak back and you hear them, you never know if they actually hear you. You can feel them, but do they feel you? You'll never know. Even as you read this, you'll never know if anyone ever typed it, or if it's just how you perceive this world.

>>597055572
Just like the doors in Resident Evil!

awareness is actually the most fundamental, basic, lowest-energy, smallest component of the universe, and it exists in every single infinitesimally small measure of the universe. Living beings are machines that isolate a certain amount of this awareness and write data to it.

>>597056164
Well that explains fucking hollywood

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>>597053760

The feeling of concrete "self", or the feeling of having some well defined person inside you(refered to sometimes as one's homonculus, or one's soul) is an illusion.
The creature observes its actions just as it observes others, forms a mental image based on that and positions it in a social hierachy.

Feeling like a person is the same mental gymnastics as knowing another creature still exists when it leaves your sight.

Human children are not born able to do this.


Basically: you're not born with a "soul", you grow one. However, it's merely an after-image.

>>597053760
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XClIR19eufc

drugs are a part of reality

>>597056352
The elevators in Mass Effect

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>>597054500
>You die
>Wtf am I dead?
>"Yes you are"
>Are you god?
>"yeah..you could say so.."
>So..what about now? What about my family, and stuff?
>"they're gonna be fine, dont worry bro"
>Is this it? Eternal peace and all that bullshit?
>"Not really...you are going back to earth in a few moments"
>Hmmm..so the reincarnation was right then?
>"er..not really again. You are going back as a monk. September, 1302"
>????
>"You see..time isn't really as linear as you think it is"
>But doesn't this time thing cause problems in your reincarnation shit? What if I come back like 2 years before I was born..and married myself, or killed myself????
>"Well..since your not gonna remember anything anyway I think I call tell you this... you are everyone, indeed"

>>597056164
solipsistfag pls leave

Life sucks and then you die, so fuck the world and lets get high!!!

>>597057437
You should write a song about that. It could be a hit

Drugs are damn beautiful they fuck with your brain which is all that actually "exist" for ourselves .

>>597057097
>cartesianistfag pls leave

Fixed that for you.

>>597057437
underage B& detected.

Your consciousness, your soul, your essence: all of it it's not actually in your body but it's only manifested in it with the help of our brains which are portals of physical and physiological manifestation of this immortal energy which lies somewhere in the universe.

Like a Wi-Fi router which is our soul, and computers our body: the computer fails, you get another to access the web; the soul looks for another body.

>>597057075
http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

>>597056524
Interesting. I like this, because it makes us not really different from animals

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This is the funniest thread I've seen in months, thanks guys. Way better than watching fight club kiddies go at it

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>>597057720
Massive contradiction. eugh

>nothing is real
>except drugs

wat?

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>>597056074
so much sympathetic drug rhetoric is the rhetoric of technology, technical efficiency, quantifiable utility, domination of the environment, consumerism. Don't let anyone tell you that drug use is countercultural.

>>597058305
oops w/ the image

I always think that maybe I'm a disabled kid but I just don't know it

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>>597058305
mistake made me kekl

>>597058082

Look into Therevada Buddhism. take an Eastern Philosophy class. The idea of there being no consistent self, only a mind constantly experiencing and reacting to sensation, is literally the first verse of the Dhammapada, the fundamental Buddhist teaching: Mind precedes all thought.

>>597053760
i really like that picture

Suck your own dick faggot.

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>>597057757
Pfft, hey, just because you're too simple minded to grasp the profound truths that I have just espoused doesn't mean you have to get all butthurt about it, Pshht, nothing personnel kid.

>>597053760
Everyone who youve ever came in contact with has effected you, and anyone who they've ever came in contact with also has effected them, so following that idea youve been indirectly effected by every human to ever exist

>>597058059
kind of childish but neat

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>>597053760
Nothing applies to everything.

But if that statement is true, that applies to everything.

So the statement is false.

Which means something can apply to everything.

Which can mean that the original statement is true.

>>597059223
>implying atheism isn't a belief system

There have been over 100 billion humans ever alive. Everything that could ever happen to a human being has already happened within reason many times over.

So, these narcissists who always justify their bullshit with the phrase 'YOU DON'T KNOW MY STORY!!!' I would say to them, 'Yes I do know it, yours and the other billion or more people who've lost a loved one, went through a break-up, took bad drugs and got aids etc.'

>After you die, you wake up in a different life,as a completely different person, where this life was just a dream. it feels like it was a dream and you slowly forget about it and go about your day, never realizing what just happened.

>Every time you go to sleep, you die.
Someone who has the exact same memories replaces you and goes about your day, so you only have one day to live

>Between every second there is an eternity, a paused frame of the universe, where nothing has happened, where everyone is dead and where a moment is paused.
maybe you die every second, left into an abyss of time, and every other second some other creature replaces you with the same memories, and you don't realize that because you have the memories of 'you' that existed one second ago. each 'you' is left in each second, like a drawing is left in a frame of an animation

>jet fuel can't melt steel beams

>>597060200
I don't think that's 100% true, but a pretty cool thought.

Ties into the shit that kids these days are taught.
"You're special" "You're unique" "You're one of a fucking kind, go do whatever the fuck you want because its easy and all you have to do is go for it"

>>597059387
hey. nice.

"Reality is often times harder to understand than fiction, because fiction has to make sense to you. By that logic, it is more logical to believe in God after all"

>>597060385
just some thoughts i've had as a kid
i know they're stupid and I can't word them properly cause I'm not a native english speaker but I hope you guys understand

>>597054515
Just saying "God is dead" doesn't do Nietzsche justice man. You gotta explain it.

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There once was a man from Nantucket,

Whose dick was so big he could suck it,

He said with a grin as he wiped off his chin,

If my ear were a twat I'd fuck it.

You see /b/rethren? wouldn't we ALL fornicate with our own ear canals if we could do so?

Do not lie to yourself... you know you would.

>>597060200
>absurdly rough estimate/ citation needed*

>>597053760
research dmt and try it at least once before you die
most spiritual moment ive ever had in my life was when i broke through on dmt

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Imagine that some people you meet over the course of your life aren't sentient. They're essentially automatons who act, speak, and behave in a way completely identical to conscious humans, but they have no thoughts or mind, and as such are unaware of the fact they aren't "real" humans. Because they appear identical to humans in every way, even conscious people can't detect the difference between themselves and automatons. Walking down the street, there could be equal part automatons and humans; you'd never know even if you studied each face rigorously or questioned all who passed as long as you like. Logically, this situation entirely possible, but if one was haunted by the possibility that they're surrounded by well-disguised automatons, most would think they were insane, which in all likelihood they would be. So, if most of us assume everyone else is sentient and feel justified in doing so even though pure logic states that it's only one of two equally likely possibilities, then why do we feel so confident that another person we're talking to is similarly conscious? It must be something outside of explicit reasoning, meaning that for our most fundamental decisions about appearances rely not on logic but on something else. Given the similarities between humans and animals and the near-universal forming of habitual behaviors, one could reasonably assume this is instinct. So, do we fundamentally rely on instinct for all our most basic decisions and perceptions? I argue yah

I have this hunch that a person who is blackout drunk and dies in a car accident will would end up in a different place than a 90 year old monk dying from old age on his month old death bed... any thoughts on this /b/?

>>597060194
>A-, meaning without
>-theism, meaning belief system.
Explain how individuals of atheism have a belief system.
Explain how individuals without belief systems have a belief system.

>>597061384
quick greentext pls

>>597061384
kek
I broke through on DMT, saw a fuckload of crazy shit and felt some of the most intense feelings I've ever felt but I wouldn't call it spiritual. Niggas who do that shit too much assume that to feel something that intense and complex there has to be some force causing it, people underestimate the capacities of the mind

>>597060961
better last 2 lines:

While wiping his chin, he said with a grin

If my ear were a pussy I'd fuck it

>>597061652
just read trip reports on erowid if you're curious, for me I saw indescribably complex seemingly infinite fractals, shapes, felt like I was traveling through space at one point, imagine like being in the cover of a prog rock album only multiplied 100x in terms of crazy shit going on

>>597061420
what reasoning do you have that makes you think its likely for half of the people you meet to be automatons that act exactly like sentient people?

>>597053760
>your eyes are composed of nothing more than tiny particles floating in empty space

>>597061420
yes but if the automatons feel and think, they are technically human. because we are also biological machines

>>597053760
When it comes to all the events that happened before your memory, you're just taking somebody's word for it.

>>597061752
Doesn't keep with the rhyme scheme you dummy.

>>597061420
>imagine

interesting thought though, will take into account

You have no free will if all your decisions are made by habit.

Fall into your habits for too long and you no longer have control over your life.

>>597061646
Not the guy you're replying to, and I feel your frustration, but:

Because faggots want to make it a social movement rather than just a personal state.
Too many idiots using the word for that reason changes it's meaning in common use.

Source: I've no spiritual beliefs and that's my fucking business, leave me in peace.

>>597061646
Saying you don't believe in god is meaningless unless you have an idea of the god and the qualities of god you don't believe in.

Wile E. Coyote will always be remembered for his evil plans to kill the road runner, instead of his breathtakingly realistic paintings of tunnels.

>>597062391
BASEDANON

>thank you for being here

>>597061868
Half was an arbitrary number, it could be any amount or percentage of people. But to answer the question, what explicit reason do you have to assume that everyone around you isn't an automaton, why do you and the rest of the world assume everyone around you is conscious? It's a leap of faith in a sense
>>597062060
They don't think or feel; they only seem to. It'd be like watching a movie- technically the character is only an image on the screen caused by lights, but you empathize with it and because it has the image of being human you react to it like you would a human. Sure, there's an actor that causes that image, but when watching the movie itself you're not watching the actor, you're watching colored lights which you emotionally identify with as you would another human meaning that appearance is the only criteria for us to "feel" human or for something to seem human

>>597053760
The wisest man is the man that knows how dumb he really is

The reason that Atlantis can't be entirely found or explained, is because it didn't fall into the ocean, it was a spaceship that rose up.

>>597053760
it seems that for progressive intelligent life like ours the endgame is the singularity wherein the speces takes over its own evolution via technological means. naturally some people will want to use technology to circumvent mortality- assuming they are succesfull and outlive the earth the result would be a fleet of computer people constantly upgrading their bodies in space. further down the line the expansion of the universe would inevitably leave them stranded in a virtually infinite void, being left alone in space with nothing in any direction as far as they could travel (at some point the expansion of the universe will overtake lightspeed) they would essentially be the highest level of conciousness in their observable universe and to occupy themselves they would likely run simulations of reality. certain ones might even set up a set of varying rules and run many simulations of reality. and within those simulations assuming they are complex enough the beings inside them may very well progress down the same path and begin running simulations of their own, in which the beings begin running simulations ad infinum down to a level of complexity so small that they cant run any simulation of reality.

in other words, its entirely possible that there is a level of complexity in a reality above ours running a slightly simplified version of its reality in a simulation.

or maybe reality manifests itself as an infinitely larger sequence of simulations.

>>597062391
But the choice to habituate behaviors or to fall into a habit is still a choice, meaning that everything that follows from adhering to that habit stems from an initial choice. Plus, you can break habits, meaining you have free will unless the habit was literally impossible to break

>>597053760
when you die, you don't. your body does. you return to the source. dive through the lotus into the next world.

>>597063158
quit smoking the peace pipe you damn hippie

>>597063158
this is not a philosophy.

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>>597053760
DUDE life is a series of incontrovertible coincidences that while appearing to have meaning are entirely subjective and all moralistic preconceptions of meaning and ethics are null and void before the realities of human avarice LMAO

War does not determine who is right, only who is left.

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>>597063230
>>597063311

>>597062391
>>597063140

habit seems to make us stronger in every sense, although less flexible

>>597062391
you have no free will, every decision you make is a result of chemical reaction, those chemicals were chosen when your parents genes mixed to make you. everything you do can be potentially predicted.
free will is an illusion.

>>597062391
>>597063140
im a third party

i believe that humans do not have free will.
meaning that i believe the input determines the output with people- however that being said, i also believe that the machinations responsible for our determinism are sufficiently complex as to be indistinguishable from true free will.

>Children do not learn that books exist, that armchairs exist, etc.,etc. - they learn to fetch books, sit in armchairs, etc.,etc. Later, questions about the existence of things do of course arise, "Is there such a thing as a unicorn?" and so on. But such a question is possible only because as a rule no corresponding question presents itself. For how does one know how to set about satisfying oneself of the existence of unicorns? How did one learn the method for determining whether something exists or not? "So one must know that the objects whose names one teaches a child by an ostensive definition exist." - Why must one know they do? Isn't it enough that experience doesn't later show the opposite?
For why should the language-game rest on some kind of knowledge?
Does a child believe that milk exists? Or does it know that milk exists? Does a cat know that a mouse exists?
Are we to say that the knowledge that there are physical objects comes very early or very late?” -Wittgenstein
Just highlighting that concepts aren't the same as the fundamental sensory experience we attribute them to

>>597063486
you cant just say something that sounds spiritual and call it a philosophy

>>597062588
atheist here: so much this.

>>597062621
in otherwords youre saying that if you dont know what you dont believe in it you automatically believe in it?

you have to be trolling.

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There once was am man with a 30 ft dick who lived by the lady next door,

She thought it was a snake so she hit it with a rake, and now it's only 1 ft 4"

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>>597063486
just because you either studied buddhist philosophy or had an intense trip doesn't justify you buying into that bullshit
>>597063497
habituation is definitely advantage
>>597063546
i think the whole discussion of free will is just a circlejerk that dances around the problem that saying someone has free will or not is a framing mechanism based on an abstraction so removed from reality that it can't be applied, so it's empty of meaning. it's what comes out of abstracting choice, taking it from the everyday sense and trying to seperate it from the humans who make choices, and in doing so distorts its meaning to the point that this new abstract "choice" without context doesn't exist in reality as we know it

>>597064320
it goes: there once was a genie with a ten foot weenie so he showed it to the lady next door
she thought it was a snake so she hit it with a rake,
now its only 3 ft 4

>>597063772
no i mean. by definition you're right. what i said is by no means a philosophy

i had a DMT-triggered OBE / astral projection and it's improved my scope on life and what it means, oneness and all that jazz. i guess i cant quite form a word for word "philosophy" though., i do subscribe to Nietzsche ideologies and Existentialism

>>597056524
Fuck... This is my religion now.

>>597057075
That whole story is epic. I think it's called The Egg? really interesting stuff.

Here's my theory
>fuck bitches
>get money

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>>597064513
>astral projection

>>597058611
I sort of get that. I feel like maybe I'm, retarded or dumb? And no one tells me they just let me live and voice my opinions feeling complete sorry towards me.

>>597064399
i disagree, the whole concept of choice in itself is separate from the people who make it and if you take those people and subject them to the same experience over and over without changing their experience up to that point you would most likely get the same output from them.
take people whove had major concussions for example, they will be in a state where they are dropping in and out of consciousness and have no memory of the time in between. they will, in fact, say the same thing every time the come to conciousness before blacking back out because the input will be the same and unchanged by repetition due to the lack of memory.

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>>597065021
We tell you everyday, you just don't pick up on it.

>>597064513
ive done heroic doses of most psychedelics, including dmt. and you're a weak minded individual if you let it make you ascribe to a religious philosophy.

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>>597063051
wo

Just out of curiosity, how does DMT change your day-to-day lifestyle?

We are one

How? Without mentioning the spiritual aspect of it, we all are connected through a sense of humanity, emotion and communication.

Our consciousnesses are all programmed to perceive what pain and sorrow is like, even though the experience is obviously ambiguous, we have the ability to relate, and communicate solely because of our emotional distress. We have linguistic capabilities because of our relation, our want to explore our consciousness with other beings, to better the understanding of our overall one.

To underestimate the godly power that we hold is to ultimately underestimate a human in this objective reality.

>>597063531
But is every reaction strictly repeatable? We're more complicated than a single chemical reaction. Consider the butterfly effect or the induction fallacy. Different effects can arise from the same cause. This is what causes choice, as being sentient provides with the ability to decide (to our knowledge) what happens.

>>597065703
˙ʎʇıןɐǝɹ ǝʌıʇɔǝظqo sıɥʇ uı uɐɯnɥ ɐ ǝʇɐɯıʇsǝɹǝpun ʎןǝʇɐɯıʇןn oʇ sı pןoɥ ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ ɹǝʍod ʎןpob ǝɥʇ ǝʇɐɯıʇsǝɹǝpun oʇ

˙ǝuo ןןɐɹǝʌo ɹno ɟo buıpuɐʇsɹǝpun ǝɥʇ ɹǝʇʇǝq oʇ 'sbuıǝq ɹǝɥʇo ɥʇıʍ ssǝusnoıɔsuoɔ ɹno ǝɹoןdxǝ oʇ ʇuɐʍ ɹno 'uoıʇɐןǝɹ ɹno ɟo ǝsnɐɔǝq sǝıʇıןıqɐdɐɔ ɔıʇsınbuıן ǝʌɐɥ ǝʍ ˙ssǝɹʇsıp ןɐuoıʇoɯǝ ɹno ɟo ǝsnɐɔǝq ʎןǝןos ǝʇɐɔıunɯɯoɔ puɐ 'ǝʇɐןǝɹ oʇ ʎʇıןıqɐ ǝɥʇ ǝʌɐɥ ǝʍ 'snonbıqɯɐ ʎןsnoıʌqo sı ǝɔuǝıɹǝdxǝ ǝɥʇ ɥbnoɥʇ uǝʌǝ 'ǝʞıן sı ʍoɹɹos puɐ uıɐd ʇɐɥʍ ǝʌıǝɔɹǝd oʇ pǝɯɯɐɹboɹd ןןɐ ǝɹɐ sǝssǝusnoıɔsuoɔ ɹno

˙uoıʇɐɔıunɯɯoɔ puɐ uoıʇoɯǝ 'ʎʇıuɐɯnɥ ɟo ǝsuǝs ɐ ɥbnoɹɥʇ pǝʇɔǝuuoɔ ǝɹɐ ןןɐ ǝʍ 'ʇı ɟo ʇɔǝdsɐ ןɐnʇıɹıds ǝɥʇ buıuoıʇuǝɯ ʇnoɥʇıʍ ¿ʍoɥ

ǝuo ǝɹɐ ǝʍ

>>597057694
*would be a hit

>>597061656
>people underestimate the capacities of the mind
You're right. DMT is more or less used to connect with the universe, of course you don't have to. You clearly didn't. The mind decides what it wants and how it wants it.

>>597058059
Nice... Kind of like a kids book

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>>597065145
I don't think any concepts are separable from their specific contexts or instances. Sorry for incoming block of text:
>In describing an object as green, we are not wrong in observing and identifying the object’s greenness, but to assume that the green of one object and the green of another are the same (even if they appear to be identical shades) in the sense that they are part of some greater, separate “green” that can exist outside of the particular object in which it is embodied is a misstep because there is no such conceptual "green. So, green and other descriptive terms are just convenient linguistic grouping devices that have no “real” presence outside of their application as concepts (or as psychological or sociological devices we apply to the environment), and so concepts as inferior to tangible objects or traits in that their definitions could be redrawn, made broader or more specific, and a new grouping category could be unproblematically introduced in its place. We could redefine green as a particular shade of blue, or reject the word green and use more specific terms such as olive or lime; in effect they would all serve the same function regardless of where we drew the line. As such, the comparative process inherent to the construction of concepts is arbitrary, so they deserve no credence outside of their functionality.
>Now, apply the handy little trick to “good,” “right,” “just,” etc. Particularly with the good, the concept is empty and essentially meaningless in that it always seemed to implicitly express another word, such as kind, beautiful, or proficient, all qualities that are pleasing to the individual, so “good” just means pleasurable in whatever sense. This means all ethics based on a discussion of abstracts is falsely based, which is all ethics, so there is no real "ethics" or right or wrong because every action is contextual an inseperable from that context

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>>597057437
Black culture creates some really mind bending philosophy.

>>597065703
language unite us more than anything

>>597065690
it depends on how much you let it effect you.

you can take all of the positives from it and even do it to the point of dissolving your ego completely and your day to day life would largely remain unchanged (in the long run though, probably not) as long as you remember afterwords that you where on a drug.

however the things you experience are powerful and people have been known to be driven to religion because of it. you experience intelligent hallucinations on it and some people experience these hallucinations as a god or godlike, others experience them as lesser or greater beings in varying numbers.
some people cant handle that and continue life in the same way

in the end it affects you as much as you want to let it affect you.

>>597053760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHUALlAvnUc

>>597065690
umm, unless you smoke it every day, none. and i don't recommend smoking it every day. in fact tolerance builds up quickly so its a waste to it more than once a month. once is all you need. otherwise expect a lessened fear of death, a heightened understanding of life, and an elevated awareness of the problems you need to deal with. like a wider scope of your mental illness, or addiction.

>>597065910
You don't connect with the universe, you just get a bunch of really intense emotional and perceptual sensations that are foreign so you assume they have to come from somewhere else, when it's really only foreign because it's chemically induced. I thought I'd died multiple times and was reborn as a bunch of objects on a really intense DMT trip and when I woke up I thought it was cool but I didn't start spewing out hippy hocus-pocus because I know that while the sensations feel real, they're not, it's just drugs

>>597065771
with the induction fallacy and the butterfly effect perfect knowledge of everything involved would yield an accurate prediction.
i believe that this holds true with people as well.

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>>597064885
>Denying the possibility of anything whatsoever in a philosophy thread

>>597065690
Idk I'm really skeptical of all the spiritual shit but it was incredibly novel and you see some absurd shit. It's all what you take out of it and how you react to really foreign and intense emotions/sensations. For me I passed out, saw indescribably crazy shit, woke up and felt bretty gud but I wouldn't call it life-changing. It might get you into a more philosophical state of mind, break certain mental habits, or make you more open-minded to some things directly afterwards but that's about it

>>597066723
indeed.

i flew through space at intense speeds and saw, or, hallucinated, the source. a big eye in space on a big space horizon with gridlines and more eyes zooming past me and from the eye expanded a lotus which extended into the entire universe, fractaling in and out, breathing life and death

>>597066299
>you can take all of the positives from it and even do it to the point of dissolving your ego completely and your day to day life would largely remain unchanged (in the long run though, probably not) as long as you remember afterwords that you where on a drug.
>remember

I've never tried dmt, but I am conscious enough to remember each day, would trying it be beneficial?

I like this one

>If you knew everything there is to know about a single object.... You would know everything about everything else in the universe.

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>>597066723
The babby-tier Cartesian go-to arguments that we need to be skeptical of everything only work if you believe that absolute logic is the source of all decisions and you're anal enough to think that being "reasonably sure" that an absurd theory isn't true isn't good enough. This is coming from a guy who used to make and smoke a fuckload of DMT and do a ton of other drugs and felt the same sensations people say are "spiritual," but who knew not to take drug-induced feelings too seriously and knew that just because something was intense doesn't make it true

>>597064220
I don't mean to say that people somehow automatically hold beliefs they haven't thought about. But I don't think it's a sophistry to say that disavowal of a particular belief can be an affirmation of belief itself. Calling yourself an athiest is defining yourself in terms of theism. That's the way to break apart the word "a-theism". Much of the time, at least in American culture, so steeped in Christianity, someone says atheism when they reject a god who's omnipotent/prescient, the ultimate judge and punisher... In the end, that's a statement about what god is like.

I mean, I suppose it's fine to say "I don't think God is a meaningful idea"... then that's agnosticism.


if anything, "a-theism" should indicate that they're defining themselves in terms of the theist position... and "theism" isn't just "belief system"

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>>597067267
i said i astral-projected, i didnt claim anything to be true or take anything seriously. why go out of your way to contest it?

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This always flips me the fuck out and answers some things for myself anyway. Hopefully you too.

If our brain is made of millions of tiny cells and atoms. And all those atoms are complete individuals. Isn't it amazing that they have formed into a brain that can think as one?

When I think of that, there should be no reason why everyone on earth can't connect in some sort of way to think as one.

>>597067031

Trip sounds breathtaking

I can't wait till I try dmt. It will come once I'm ready.

>>597066444
see>>597056671 , >>597057720

>>597067503
fuck, that last line was scratch

>>597053760
Literally everything is utterly meaningless, most human interactions are learned behaviours, even conversations and thoughts. Proof to come.

>>597066444
I see what you're saying. But if everything was to come from that beginning radiation of the universe. Then in turn drugs are part of that universe. Chemical reaction is a correct answer, though it doesn't really matter at all. You can still experience a complete feeling of one if you wish it.

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>>597067669
'tis pretty amazing. godspeed my friend

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>>597066083
the concept of choice in the sense i was using it was not separate from the original context it was used in (a person making a choice) so im assuming you mean that you believe that any discussion about choice is arbitrary because the concept of choice is meaningless outside of discussing it in the context of specific people under a specific set of circumstances.
if that is what you're saying then the second half of what i said where i was talking about people who've sustained concussions meets your criteria for meaningful discussion.

in response to the green text, i disagree with the first paragraph because there is a greater. seperate, 'green' that can exist outside of the object because the greenness is not a property of the object but rather light reacting to the surface of the object. and i agree with the second paragraph because obviously there is no such thing as absolute morality.

>>597060931
>>597060931
>>597060931

>>597067053
definitely, i wouldnt start with dmt though.

start with mushrooms or acid and work your way up.

>>597067572
shit sorry man, i'm just too used to tripped out hippies at my work claiming psychedelics are the mainline to truth in the universe. don't mean to try and shit all over your experience, i'm just too used to people saying this stuff is the "only true experience" and other bullshit.
>>597067690
i don't argue with that, i'm just saying that assuming what we imagine applies to the external world is wrong. if that's not what you were saying sorry, i'm too used to people arguing that way

>>597068336
in any case, i am entirely aware that what happened to me was a chemical reaction that as far as society should be concerned puts me down a few pegs if anything. i am definitely not the type to go endorsing psychedelics, though that's not saying i don't purvey spiritual contentedness

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>>597067503
i disagree with your entire first paragraph. atheism isnt a disavowal of a particular god, its a disavowal to the belief in any particular god.

it doesnt go as far as saying that god doesnt exist.

>>597068624
nah it doesn't put you down any pegs or anything, that's just societal bias against drugs and it's unfounded. and it was all my bad, i'm just too paranoid of the word "spiritual" when people use it in arguments because i assume specific connotations attached to it, but you and others use it in a different sense

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>>597069057
but straight up everyone can benefit in some way from DMT


what was producing it like?

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>>597068092
Even if green is light reacting to the surface of an object, when we see "green" it's an individual instance of light reflecting off one surface, and in calling another object green and observing the same phenomenon we group the two instances together to form a linguistically-based concept that we assume also exists in reality, which I think it doesn't. And the concussions example does, but I think anytime we talk about multiple instances as one we still use grouping devices that can be accurate or not, and the only way you can determine accuracy is to go back to the situations you grouped together. Same with choices, the choice to do one thing has a different context it's inseparable from than another choice that has a different context it's inseparable from, and to group them together ignores the context without which the individual "choice" wouldn't exist in reality and as such give the term choice meaning.

All that has ever existed are the atoms that are around us. Everything that we ever see, feel, touch, taste, smell, and perceive is made of the same atoms that existed after the creation of the universe. The Atoms have been through literally everything. They have seen worlds rise up and be torn apart, over and over again. They have made up countless planets, stars, comets, and most of all, people. The Atoms have existed for all of history, and they will still be the same Atoms for all time until the universe ends. When people pray to God, they simply visualize the wrong image. Instead of a man in the sky, God is the Atoms, and the Atoms are God.

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>>597053760
Everything you know in life (or better, common knowledge) is wrong.

Anything painted in politics as being for the betterment of society always to the contrary.

Everything touted as being 'just a conspiracy theory' is on average more true and more demonstrable than anything you watch/read in the 'news'.

Luke Skywaker (aka: Luke S.)is actually Georges last name because he is an unoriginal hack.

Anything that is touted as being good for your health, nearly always is deadly.

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>>597069633
lol, i just ordered everything online for like 200 bucks and made it in a carlo rossi jug. pretty easy as long as you're careful, probably 3rd easiest drug to make next to opium and shrooms, just meant i essentially had unlimited DMT for a while which was bretty sweet, except that sometimes I got dumb about where I smoked it. like when i found out they allowed e-cigs in my 200 person lectures i smoked dmt in a vape during class and broke through for about 10 mins, everyone just thought i was napping which was legit

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>>597069848
>Luke Skywaker (aka: Luke S.)is actually Georges last name because he is an unoriginal hack

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>>597070088
Nice , all of that, nice. The cooliest

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>>597069848
Im sorry what have you done more original than Star Wars

>>597069848
>Everything you know in life (or better, common knowledge) is wrong.
Please shut the fuck up.

>>597067995
microphone check 1 2 what is this

>>597070401
the one other kid i knew who was a shithead knew what i was doing and started laughing his ass off, the other kids shushed him which was the best part. the grill sitting next to me looked at me kinda funny tho
all in all, would recommend doing yourself, it's cheap and ez as long as you do your research and are safe about it

>>597070486
Your mom

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>>597070663
I learn many things from the internet

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there are only a handful of "real" people in the world. which is why they constantly run into each other. everyone else, whilst still a person, is not all there, just padding

>>597070985
yeap. just you and your friends. that's the world why this whole shit exists. underage b&

life purpose is death itself

>>597070906
I am immune to those jokes because she is literally a retired old crackwhore whose had like 3 kids have fun with that shit

>>597069760
with light in particular i believe that the two instances of the phenomenon are actually one in the same in the sense that other than time and maybe location the two events would be indistinguishable. if you look at the same object twice, would that be the same green?

>>597070917
ya dude, most drugs (except acid and E) and way easier to make than you'd think. you can actually order spore syringes for shrooms online legally in most states without credentials or anything, or mescaline containing cacti, or DMT containing bark for extraction, or wildly potent opium seeds. amphetamines are apparently easy too with chem knowledge

>>597070985
What do you even mean by run into each other?

There are things you have power over, and things you don't. Learn to tell the difference. And whether or not you have any power over it, worrying doesn't change the outcome.

>>597069788
there was actually a time before atoms existed, and there will be a time after they exist too before the universe is totally dead.

atoms are only matter which is a very tiny fraction of the content of the universe.
what about energy? and anti-atoms?

>>597071380
If two events are indistinguishable, then I think it's OK to group them together. But determining "indistinguishable" relies on limited perceptual faculties, and there may be errors in perception or judgement that limit your ability to differentiate between two instances. And I think it's the same green as far as you can tell

>>597069009
I find myself thinking that the distinction here between "believes" and "knows" (as in that chart) is overwrought. Like I don't understand how an "agnostic theist" could be.

And what you've called atheism I'd call agnosticism--in casual usage, isn't "atheism" used for a definite rejection of god's existence?

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Also, the biggest, most important things in the universe usually aren't the things you've been taught to believe are important.

Pic related.

>>597071068
I bet you can't even tell where I quoted this from you shit.

>>597071407
>padding race detected
I guess it means continually meeting people you vaguely know over stupid distances. not being a friend, or even an acquaintance. but meeting that person you shared a cigarette with in a city 200 miles away from the place you last met. then again on your holiday to spain. except with multiple people who in turn have the same chance meetings with each other

>>597071717
then lets assume for no other reason than to continue the original discussion on free will that there is a common element to all choices that is indistinguishable between them on the level of the interaction that the individual has with the world.

>>597072183
I probably shared a cig with you while on vacation. chances are, but how will we ever know?

>>597072297
I think that's applying an interpretation to various instances of choice though; by focusing on and defining choice by a single aspect or by similarities you ignore the aspects inseparable from individual instances which are integral to what they are, and force them into an interpretation that isn't indicative of how they are in the phenomenal world. By generalizing, I think that means in most cases we ignore certain features of instances and accept others, which is useful but ultimately inaccurate, so it can't be a basis for truth claims

>>597072183
oh i gotcha, it was one of those classic quoting-something-unoriginal-that-someone-else-thought-of-as-a-self-glorifying-grasp-for-attention. my bad m8

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/noice

>>597071871
>in casual usage, isn't "atheism" used for a definite rejection of god's existence?


Only because of antagonistic faggots like Dawkins

>>597072790
so that's a solid "no" then.

>>597071871
in my opinion there is a definite distinction between belief and knowledge, because belief implies a lack of data.

for example i believe that i will die of old age, however i dont actually know if i will or not.

i cant think of any real world example of an agnostic theist but the idea doesn't seem completely incomprehensible to me.
for example someone submitting to the (shitty) logic of Occams razor, or perhaps in a hypothetical situation where someone was steadily discovering clues that a god may exist.

>>597071871
I'm not the person you're replying to.

>Like I don't understand how an "agnostic theist" could be.
Most people are. They say they believe but if you ask them for proof they'll tell you that they don't claim to know and that they believe on faith.
Gnostic theists would tell you that your existence (or whatever else) is proof of God. They KNOW there is a God.

>in casual usage, isn't "atheism" used for a definite rejection of god's existence?
In casual usage some people do think of it like that. However the distinction between agnostic atheists and gnostic theists would be similar to what I wrote above.
Agnostic atheist claims that he doesn't know if there's a God out there or not but doesn't believe in it because he doesn't have faith and doesn't find the evidence compelling.
Gnostic atheist doesn't believe in God and claims to know (through application of Occam's razor for example) that there's really no God.

>>597073255
>>597071871
forgot to address

>in casual usage, isn't "atheism" used for a definite rejection of god's existence?

only among the latest generation of internet atheists, particularly on 4chan.

>>597054751
Fuckin a

>>597071080
why does life even need a purpose? Why does anything need a purpose? it's seems to me that the whole idea of "purpose" is entirely a human construct, or at least some form of higher-mammalian brain construct. Bacteria don't need a purpose, rather, they just are. Chemicals don't need a purpose, rather they just are, energy doesn't need a purpose, rather, it just is.
The whole concept of purpose is a survival mechanism for humans and other similar organisms (why bother with something that has no purpose?)
So purpose-finding is a function of ours, but nothing inherently has to have purpose. It seems to me that finding the purpose of life, or the purpose of one's own life is just kind of a misunderstanding of the origin of the word "purpose" crossed with an egocentric take that anything good needs purpose, and hence, "I" the individual am good, therefore I need purpose.

Not that purpose can't exist for an individual - having a sense of purpose seems to be fulfilling for many people an that's OK, but the idea that everything in nature inherently has purpose, or that life itself has an absolute purpose, I think is too restrictive

>>597059791
have to correct the last statement:
"Which means the original statement CAN be true"

just because something's possible doesn't mean it is truth

>>597073255

PSA: Occam's Razor says "Bro, try to make as few assumptions as possible when hypothesising", NOT "The simplest thing is most likely true"

>>597073086
more of "in that case, i have lost interest in the thing"

>>597073255
>>597073855
>>597071871

im sorry, its 1AM i meant pascals wager not occams razor

>>597059279
>maybe if I use big words /b/ will think I'm smart

>>597074245

Oh, yeah, Pascal's wager a shit. Still, important to get the message out.

>>597059279
>espoused
literally the only time ive heard this word used in a positive context.

>>597073533
>Bacteria don't need a purpose, rather, they just are. Chemicals don't need a purpose, rather they just are, energy doesn't need a purpose, rather, it just is
that you are aware of. why do you think you are here after how many million years?

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>>597053760
philosophy is stupid and you should really just focus on what's in front of you as it comes because you could be dead in an hour.

think about things as they are and not with unrealistic contexts like religion or mlp

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>>597053760
Conflict can both make us rise and fall. For without conflict, we would not rise.

>>597075019
nor fall...

>>597074978
what do you mean why?

do you mean how?

>>597053760
There are people that will stop at nothing to convince you that you will die alone.

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If universe exits because God created it, then human beings hold the power of God through their ability to create.

>>597075009
everyone has their philosophical beliefs.


>you should really just focus on what's in front of you as it comes because you could be dead in an hour.

is a philosophical statement.


philosophy is part of being human, and discussing it is entertaining because it yields insights into how your fellow men see the world.

yes religious philosophy is a thing, but not all philosophy is religious, in fact there is a large amount of anti religious philosophy.

>>597075361
>why does life need purpose

We would not be where we are without some purpose, so what is that purpose?

>>597075009
>doesnt even know what philosophy is

go do some research kid, the big boys are talking.

>>597055624
fuckin kek

>>597075954
>We would not be where we are without some purpose

what makes you think that?
how do you know?

There is no point to life.
You can put your life on a timeline (e.g. 1987, Bob 9was born.1994, Bob pooped in a bucket. etc.)
Even if you don't but a life or the world on a timeline, space and time are moving constant in a straight line, In order for a line to exist you must have 2 or more points, Therefor if space and time are moving constant, there is no specific point to life.

>>597075756
Im atheist, but i want to play the devils advocate.

"God created the universe from nothing. We create our objects from available resources. A chair is made from a tree, we didnt just pop it here. Babys are made from gods greatest creation,us."

>>597063458
Cute
Captcha: Vitch

>>597075756

none ragrets

>>597053760
Here is one for the fedora wearers:
Life is like your dick......eventually a woman is gonna come along and make it really hard

>>597053760
We exist because we want to exist. If we didn't want to, we wouldn't. Simple shit, but think about it.

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>>597076224
Time is not real. Time is what we humans use to organize our lives.

>>597076224
i get that youre trying to be funny here, but by your definition there would actually be an infinite amount of specific points in a life.
also space and time are definitely not moving in a constant straight line.

>>597076078
because everything would be dead. still. non existent and the likes

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Whos ma wizard.

>>597076503
not true, time is a measurable event. in fact it flows differently in different parts of the universe.
gps satellites have clocks that are programmed to run slower to keep in synch with our clocks because of time dilation.

>>597076503
->>>597055455

>>597066098
I'd say expression itself in any form unites us

>>597076574
you just said the same thing in a different way, the question still stands.

how do you know that nothing would exist without a purpose?

>>597053760
What if, last thursday or yesterday or just 3 seconds ago, the universe came into existence with all us people, fake memorys we actually didn't experience and everything made up so that it seems that we have existed for thousands of years?
Try to prove me wrong!

>>597055455
>>597076797
>>597076503
dear lord how do people this stupid exist?

time is not defined by a sequence of events, its MEASURED by a sequence of events.

google time dilation its an actual thing that is separate from the way we measure it.

>>597065445
holy fuck

>>597076503
This is so stupid its offensive.

>>597076921

Kyon, go to bed. You're drunk.

>>597076921
I can confirm, I'm God and I just created you guys. Almost immediately OP started this thread. What a faggot! Regretting my creation already.

>>597057075
Just read that whole story. 10/10

>>597076921
theoretically this is more likely than reality actually happening as a sequence of events up to this point.

also
>telling people to prove a negative

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This thread is dildos

>>597076828
because we are energy and energy can't be wasted, only transformed

>>597077486
it would be extra weird if i was created already knowing this

>>597073450
>>597073343
>>597073255
well, ok. I don't want to fight over terminology, but I think one can listen to npr or whatever mainstream media and hear "atheism" used for "confident rejection of existence". I don't think this really changes what I've said about those types.

I don't think that "belief" and "knowledge" (as we're using them) are just two independent categories that can be put together in any combination. If you have belief, then you're not interested in talking about a god that can be "proven" with "data".

>>597071897
There's something to that, but The Observable Universe isn't going to step in and do shit.

Shrooms taught me that life is trippy. I think most things are just distractions to keep us busy. Things can have as much meaning as you want it to. It's weird. I had a dream I was 40 talking to my father. We were both old, and that'll happen in a matter of time. There's nothing we can do about time

>>597064622
http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

Great read

>>597077073
and the difference is...?? yeah, get fucked mongoloid

>>597077284
Is it you Nagato?
>>597077486
Yeah that's true. Almost would make it feel like our life had somewhat of a framerate.

Also I don't know if you're referring to an error I made or to the fact that 'Last Thursdayism' is unfalsifiable. If there is an error then forgive me! It may be due to my lack of english skills at 8:30 am.

Chances are I'll probably see someone in this thread ar least once in my life. Mayne a glance on the bus, maybe you'll be my future coworker. Who knows. Go watch Mr. Nobody and Boyhood.
>inb4 fedora movie

>>597076224
I bet that sounded really fucking deep when you were stoned. Now you just sound like an acoustic nigger.

>>597053760

Impregnate as many females as possible. That is the key to life.

>>597077334
What a bummer.

>>597077665
i dont follow the mainstream media, sorry.

>>597077665
actually energy can be wasted, its wasted all the time. go look up the efficiency for any motor, or google entropy.

the universe is destined to die from running out of energy. google 'heat death'


i think the phrase youre thinking of is 'energy cannot be destroyed, only transformed'
which is a philosophical bastardization of the law of conservation of energy and only applies in isolated systems, not the universe as a whole.

that also has literally nothing to do with what i asked you, im sure it felt like a smart thing to say, but its not going to cut it. are you going to give me a real answer or wallow in the spiritual feeling you get from saying things you dont really understand?

>>597061420
Occam's razor. The 100% human scenario is simpler to come about, so it's the likeliest one. The two scenarios, then, are not equally possible.

>>597078555
This

>>597077724
>If you have belief, then you're not interested in talking about a god that can be "proven" with "data"
Well, then you know for sure that the person is theist but not if she's gnostic or agnostic regarding God's existence. Plenty of people (in fact the majority of people) I've talked to that believe in God claim they have no proof and it's a matter of belief with them (they're agnostic even if the usage of the word to mean a "nicer atheist" would prevent them from ever accepting that). I find it odd that every person you talk to that believes in God is completely resistant to clarifying if they think there's proof or not. Do you live somewhere with a lot of fundamentalists?

>>597078309
>acoustic nigger

tokkest pek

>>597077724
Or maybe to come at it differently... another thing that seems to fuel fedora atheism is a reliance on materialistic (provable, empirical, locatable) notions of god (not much different than extreme fundamentalists). If you forget about "data" and "proof" when considering god, you get a whole different discussion, one that's much more ecumenical, and you force people to actually grapple with the questions.

>>597062837
>why do you and the rest of the world assume everyone around you is conscious? It's a leap of faith in a sense


i get the point youre trying to make but i think 'half the people on eart are automatons' is kind of a hard one to sell, i coulds say that i know that there arent any non conscious automatons because there would be no reason for them to evolve that way, or because the level of technology it would take to fabricate one would be much more useful to anyone if applied in virtually any other way.
or a million other reasons.

>>597078555
I don't know that nothing would exist without a purpose in the same way that I don't know anything would exist without a purpose. I lost where you were going with that question. I just think there is more to life than what we know, because it's more justifiable than thinking we are here by mistake

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>>597055455
time is part of space itself i don't think you understand