>>614216692
being pricks to farmers by locking them into deals

they do alot of gmo stuff that some people find shady

other than that idk

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>>614216692
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/04/08/10-scientific-studies-proving-gmos-can-be-harmful-to-human-health/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/neonicotinoid-pesticides-ongoing-death-of-the-beas-epa-slapped-with-lawsuit/5334816

http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/50865/p/dia/action3/common/public/?action_KEY=8662

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/this-is-what-your-grocery-store-looks-like-without-bees-211164141.html

http://naturalsociety.com/monsanto-bee-collapse-buys-bee-research-firm/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffman/the-fox-monsanto-buys-the_b_1470878.html

http://gizmodo.com/5904552/biotech-company-blamed-for-bee-collapse-buys-leading-bee-research-firm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,4,5-T

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_DbVdVo-k

http://rt.com/news/161184-march-against-monsanto-updates/

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/10/12/-march-against-monsantoralliesactivistsaroundtheglobe.html

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2013&q=genetically+modified+organisms&hl=en&as_sdt=0,14

>>614216692
>>614217236
Use p-values to preconfirm my hypothesis before publishing.

Publish blatant bullshit.

>>Implying any of your sources are credible.

Also, Monsanto owns all of those "wonderful natural food companies"

Fucking idiot

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>>614218497
>>>Implying any of your sources are credible.

Hi Monsanto shill. :)

>>614218497
bad day?

>>614216692

>ruin environment
>force ppl to use their fucking roundup
>screw peasans who decline to use their chemical products
>their chemical products bring cancers and diseases in lakes / rivers around their factories

>>614218818
This is why I hate humanity.

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>>614218818

If monsantos shit is so great, why is it banned in Europe?

>>614219221
>>614219367
>being this obvious

You got rekt. Now piss off.

>>614216692
Roundup is safe to drink.

http://boingboing.net/2015/03/27/tv-lobbyist-claims-monsanto-r.html

They modify crops so their weed killers work better. Roundup Ready seeds are everywhere and no one knows what they're doing to people, except that cancer rates seem to keep increasing for some reason.

Also fuck captcha, a full English breakfast is NOT a steak damnit.

>>614219674
70+ GM crops are legal for import and 2 are legal for growing in the EU

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>>614219674
It's not.

>>Literally every source for this is some sketch-ass alternative medicine site that says snake oil cures diabetes.

>>614219717
Drink a glass of cow manure

>>614219979
using a google search as a source, kek

>>614219871
Don't care how much you import, eat all the trash you want. A whole 2 are legal eh? All both of them? How many allowed in murica?

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>>614219717
Funny, that correlation between poor diet and cancer rates.

Obviously we need to blame the big company providing cheap and sustainable food crops for our inability to put down the fork.

Unbiased here.

Monsanto does things people believe to be morally wrong and things for the betterment of their own company. They try to gain as much as they can financially as any company should. They produce all sorts of agriculture products, most famously crops and crop chemicals. They create GMOs to produce crops who are better, stronger, faster, sweeter, tastier, use less water, grow faster, than other crops. They sell said crops to farmers at high prices as customers are picky and with crops, the need is to minimalize losses. They get farmers to get in deals, make sure they cant reuse their crop without paying or permission, etc etc. People get upset at this despite it being Monsantos products. To get back people claim GMOs are bad, that Monsanto is unfair and trying to control agriculture. Monsanto wants its products, which by the way cost millions of dollors to produce including making sure they are safe and good enough to be distributed, which is why they have high price tags on their stuff. Their GMOs and such are also one of kind, it takes years and years of research and testing and red tape to be able to get a GMO able to be sold. They do not want their customized products to be taken and reused without repurchasing, because a farmer could buy a seed once, and never pay for it again and distribute that seed himself and make even more profit off of it. No one wants their product to be given out for free with so much overhead cost. Monsanto is like the music industry of agriculture. Thats not to say they are not unfair, because they do try to pimp out farmers, but thats only because the law allows them to. Their GMOs can be a bit questionable, but that is an issue of the FDA and the government. Most GMOs will not cause any adverse effects as techincally all organisms are GMOs. Its the lack of fully understanding what has been affected in the organism that is the questionable

>>614216692
Monsanto genetically modifying grain seeds is dangerous because it gives them ability to become a global monoply. Why? Because if they "invented" the seeds, then they can patent them, and because they already have such a huge market share they'd instantly become a global monopoly and have nearly complete control over the worlds food supply. Think about it, having a patent on food.

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This threads potential though...

>>614220235

Wait, you just said it's illegal in Europe and don't even care that you were wrong.

>>614216692
>Phase one: Make Frankenseeds
>Phase two: Sell them to farmers
>Phase three: Sue the shit out of all the farmers near by for using your intellectual property
>Phase four: Profit
Not to mention there is proof GMOS have proven to be harmful to rats and pigs..

>>614220285

They are the most tested food crops. Any other crop is more questionable.

American here.

European food is a far better quality than the US.

Chicken actually tastes good over there. Also their milk is so much better than our puss filled crap

>>614219979
Dutchfag here studying forestry

Roundup is actually banned

>>614220285

part. As genetics gets iffy in where you modify the organism, and believe that X causes Y, but with any modification of an organism, the changes are never really 100% certain. So X may give you Y but you may also get Z after some factor unforeseen in testing. People should not be afraid of GMO's or Monsanto. Having stronger regulation of both and transparency for farmers is what is needed. And if people werent so fucking picky with their foods, farmers wouldnt be in this pickle.

TLDR; Monsanto is a company, companying, and farmers are farmering

>>614220695
Eurofag fartface detected

>>614220568
>>Phase three: Sue the shit out of all the farmers near by for using your intellectual property

This has literally never happened.

>>614220220
>>614220568
>>614220235
"waaahhhh"

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/18/163034053/top-five-myths-of-genetically-modified-seeds-busted

Git rekt.

I was on the food inc bandwagon too, once. But then I used my uni's academic database to learn some shit instead of being spoonfed nonsense.

>>614219150
>roundup
Studies have shown the active chemical in Roundup might be causing autism.

And since Monsanto has completely bought out Washington the government refuses to even acknowledge it as potentially harmful.

>>614220285
>They create GMOs to produce crops who are better, stronger, faster, sweeter, tastier, use less water, grow faster, than other crops
>>614220285

That also grow their own pesticides and animals who eat them grow tumors.

But its ok for you to eat guise. Nevermind the animals who avoid it and eat organic. Nevermind all the scientists speaking out on it. Nevermind Monsanto feverishly fighting to keep labeling GMOs in stores impossible.

Just eat it and shut up.

>>614220285
morals aside, is monsanto and it's products or byproducts good or bad?

>inb4 op is a raging fag sucking monsato's fat cock

>>614220835
Go to Europe bro and taste for yourself

>>614220260
>spaying food with glyphosate, a chelating agent
>expecting it to not be devoid of nutritional value

>>614220924

Want to post these studies?

>>614219717
considering anything lobbyists say a true fact

>>614220914
>npr

Great source ya got there.

>>614221003
My ex is a kiwi, and they are allll about that organic shit. Hell it was her hobby gardening and helping with the meat her family raised. I know, it doesn't have a difference to me... Bro

>>614220924
>>614220936
Please, cite your source on how Roundup causes autism.

Also, those awesome studies that prove roundup causes sickness in bugs? It's because the lab gave them a lethal dose you fuckwits.

git rekt, the rektoning

http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/01/26/10-studies-proving-gmos-are-harmful-not-if-science-matters/

They really aren't doing much wrong. Yes, their actions are pretty typical of 'evil corporation' but there isn't convincing evidence that GMO's are any different than non-GMOs.

In the third world they are doing some manner of good by making more hearty and nutritious crops more available.

>>614221111
Dubs and quads confirm.

>>614220568
>rats and pigs
Are you a rat and/or pig?

i study agriculture kek, anyway so monsanto basically has this law where if a farmer has monsanto seeds on their plot and the wind carries the seeds while blooming to your farm, you get the fuck sued out of you for using their product without purchase, even though it was entirely not your fault.

>>614220285
>sweeter, tastier

Total utter bullshit. Taste them your self.

Start with their tomatoes.

>>614221067
Implying the levels of glyphostate are significant enough to cause any issue.

Yeah, just give 100 ccs of concentrated glyphostate to mice and prove your point about how it's bad.

Or you could learn how science works.

>>614221303
>but there isn't convincing evidence that GMO's are any different than non-GMOs.

Yes there is.

>>614221296
Don't need a study. Glyphosate is a chelating agent. That means it makes nutrients unable to be absorbed or processed. How is that good in any possible way?

>>614220924
>Studies have shown the active chemical in Roundup might be causing autism.

Source? I'm Genuinly curious to find out if your serious or circle jerking

>>614221296
>>614221106
Learn to google.

>>614220914
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc_v_Schmeiser

>They just sue them for keeping seeds that have been contaminated,
Cause thats WAAAY different

>trademarking grains
absolutely disgusting

does everything in the whole fucking world need to be trademarked

>>614221636

That's what I thought.

>>614220936

Please show me this journal of facts on animals who grew tumors after eating their GMOs...

Pesticides are known to be the causes of cancerous growths, not produce. They of course contain toxins harmful to living organisms, eat enough pesticide and it will adversely affect you. Its the cost of removing pests from produce.

Show me journals and studies of this please.

And monsanto is obviously going to try and keep labelling out of stores because their stock would plummet, the farmers who buy their GMOs would all turn to more "natural" products because the farmers wont make money from the tin foil hat wearing citizens that see GMO and run away.

>>614221593
>>614221582
Again, sources?

Fucking christ. All these people making claims and no sources.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/glyphosate.asp

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-hard-look-at-3-myths-about-genetically-modified-crops/

>>inb4 HURDUR THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALL BOUGHT OFF BY MONSANTO

>>614221629
The WHO just classified it as a probable carcinogen, so..

>>614221593

This isn't what chelation means.

>>614221961

citation needed

>>614221398
No but the rats are what they test on to see if its safe for consumption you moron.

>>614216692
From what I've come to understand is that Monsanto makes gmo seeds, and if these seeds are carried by the wind into someone else's farm and ends up growing that farmer owes Monsanto for the right to use their seed otherwise they can be sued.

Since the gmo seed can thrive better in poor soil it has a greater ability to grow, so one seed can put you entirely indebted to Monsanto if it's in your crop, and Monsanto being the farming congrlomerate they are can afford the legal backing to make sure that farmer goes full Monsanto.

>>614220936
>That also grow their own pesticides and animals who eat them grow tumors.

You mean BT? The same toxin that is used in organic farming since it's derived from a living organism?

Also, the Serallini study has been thoroughly debunked as flawed, and if anything, shows that the animals fed GM feed showed slight reductions in GI tumors.

coca-cola and a billion other things THAT ALL OF YOU drink and eat have gmos, if you aren't dead why would you think your monsanto shit would be

>>614221916
For fuck's sake.

You know what else is a carcinogen? Arsenic. ban apples by that logic.

Seriously, why does no one understand how chemistry works? Is this board truly filled with the uneducated? I mean I knew it was bad but christ.

>>614221916
>The WHO
Like I care what an oldman band thinks.

>>614220681
Laugh so much. This is why, in Europe, our motherfucking politicians are forbidding the free and non sterile seeds. The ancient varieties, etc. Because of monsanto's shit-eaters like you.

>>614222019

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chelation

>>614221784
>Please show me this journal of facts on animals who grew tumors after eating their GMOs...

You could try google. Even has pictures.

>>614221593

Glycophosphate is not a good chelating agent. It's quite reversible. It may even actually help with nutrient delivery as it's chelation to metals is reversible.

>>614220997

Generally they are good. They are trying to produce GMOs to use less resources on the farmers end, to produce a higher yield, all with improving the physical characteristics of the product. Its in between that where it gets iffy.

Do I hate the hospital for its costs? Yea but its services are important for the system to survive. Extreme example, but whatever yo

>>614221515

Considering virtually all food are GMO's, you can please shut the fuck up and leave. Bananas are GMOs you fucking twat

>>614222237
Kek

>>614221784
>tin foil hat wearing citizens that see GMO

You shills don't even try to hide anymore.

>>614222251

Huh?

>>614221593
>Glyphosate
It doesn't affect humans, only plants...and human gut flora.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23224412

>>614222037
>No but the rats are what they test on to see if its safe for consumption you moron.
Whoa, take it easy. It was just a question. Why so hostile?

>>614220936
>Nevermind the animals who avoid it and eat organic. Nevermind all the scientists speaking out on it.
There are animals that can detect miniscule differences in DNA and know that it's been GMd? That's impressive.

Also, 85%+ of scientists agree that GM foods are safe for people, animals, and the environment.

>>614222548
>doesn't affect humans
>affects human gut flora

>>614218497
>they do it for free

>>614221886
Mate, the WHO just released a paper affirming that glyphosate is a probable carcinogen. Glyphosate = Roundup. If you amerifats want to eat shit go ahead, but please keep it to yourselves. Look at your life expectancy compared to European countries FFS!

Also this: The World According to Monsanto (FULL LENGTH): http://youtu.be/N6_DbVdVo-k

>>614222348
>Generally they are good

Yes goyim. Eat the pesticide filled frankenfoods. Even though the rich elite avoid it at all costs. Hehehe.

>>614222282

No. Youre the one with the claim, back it up. Find ONE study where just consumed GMO had given direct cause of cancerous growths in animals.....oh whats that? you cant find one because none fucking exist because GMOs dont cause cancer and people like you do? Oh shit youre right

>>614222548
The Human Gut Flora is being proven to be linked to Autism
>Google it yourself

>>614222801

Actually...organic food generally needs more pesticides.

>>614222714
>There are animals that can detect miniscule differences in DNA and know that it's been GMd?

They can smell the chemicals. It also makes them sick.

>Also, 85%+ of scientists agree that GM foods are safe for people, animals, and the environment.

You mean those "scientists" who get paid to do so?

>>614223103

What chemicals are there to smell? I don't think you know what a gmo is.

>>614223103
>You mean those "scientists" who get paid to do so?
>someone disagrees
THEY BOUGHT HIM OFF!

>>614223103

Their aren't any volatiles to smell. At most GMOs express certain enzymes at different levels than non-GMOs.

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monsanto... fucking jews...

>>614219717
>>614221111
He's actually not a lobbyist for Monsanto, but represents the groups trying to get Golden Rice approved to reduce blindness and death in 3rd world countries. The TV interviewer obviously had their bias going into the interview by trying to change the subject to Monsanto or Roundup (which many companies besides Monsanto produce)

>>614222884
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-on-genetically-modified-corn-herbicide-and-tumors-reignites-controversy/

Shill some more you pathetic piece of shit

>>614222965
Man, the scientific literacy rate in this thread is so, so bad.

Just because one journal publishes some collection of findings does not immediately confirm the hypothesis. Once those published experiments are done over and over again, over years or decades, and the trend is confirmed ONLY THEN IS IT CONSIDERED THEORY/TRUTH.

>>huffpo said it so it must be true. Sources link back to another huffpo article.

>>614220295
this and also that if you develop stronger crops, the parasites that eat the crops also develop and then all the non engineered plants that can be affected by the parasites are fucked and so is the whole ecosystem. to put it short.

>>614223499

>asks for study
>posts cbsnews article

Lol!

Let's not forget the good things Monsanto has done brahs. Like the Monsanto Acetic Acid process. Everyone needs acetic acid.

>>614222457
There is a seed catalogue in Europe, called the GNIS, who specify what can be planted, harvested and sold on the european territory. And they are the cause of the fast disparition of the major part of the seeds diversity. As an exemple, for 500 varieties of cabbage cultivated in the 50's in France, we only plant at least 50 varieties today. Because they think this is "not tested"

>>614221487
You need to go back to school because that isn't true.

>>614221487

This is an urban legend perpetuated by stupid people.

>>614223637
[DAMAGE CONTROL INTENSIFIES]

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>>614223499
>shit tier source on dubs

Genetically modifying foods isn't inherently evil. It's the patenting of naturally occurring genetic material that's fucked-up. Farmers next to monsanto owned-farms get sued all the time because monsanto owns a patent on a fucking plant. And then if any of those plants are found on an adjacent plot (due to, you know, NATURE AN SHIT) they sue the fuck out of the poor farmer who happens to be next to them. This often puts the farmer out of business and they sell their plot to monsanto.
That's a little of why they are evil.

>>614221916
So is sun exposure and alcohol consumption.

>>614224071

This has literally NEVER happened.

>>614216692

Because Agent Orange.

http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/agent-orange-background-monsanto-involvement.aspx

>>614224069
>doesn't even read article

>>614224293

He asked for a study.

>>614224293
cbsnews…
and the credibility would be?

>>614216692
>inb4 implying monsanto is evil
I personally wouldnt but

are you saying Monsanto is necessarily "good"?
that necessarily all the things they do (for profit) are the right things?

I dont get how some people really go out on a limb here to defend a corporation they have nothing to do with

sure you can address some hippie bullshit, but you guys are like zealots or some shit

Its weird tbh and it invokes skepticism.

>>614222965
Are you one of those people "curing" their kids of autism with bleach enemas?

>>614222965
Autism is do to imperfections in the brain dipshit.

>>614223103
>>>614222714 (You)
>>There are animals that can detect miniscule differences in DNA and know that it's been GMd?
>They can smell the chemicals. It also makes them sick.
You don't hoe DNA works, do you...
>>Also, 85%+ of scientists agree that GM foods are safe for people, animals, and the environment.
>You mean those "scientists" who get paid to do so?
Seeing as 95% of scientists agree that climate change is real, they must all be paid shills too

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>>614224496
>just eat it goys
>don't read those articles

>>614224582

Skepticism doesn't mean what you think it means. This is a science discussion and all you've brought to it is money. Congrats, you're a retard who thinks good things can't happen if someone is paid.

>>614224986

Literally zero people have died from GMOs. All you had was a news article.

>>614224948
>Seeing as 95% of scientists agree that climate change is real, they must all be paid shills too

You don't know how money works do you?

Why do you think none of the elite eat GMOs?

>>614223499
That's an advertorial. As in the author paid to have it show up on CBSNews.

>>614224212
Shit up idiot

>>614225268

I'm not the one spreading urban legends.

>>614225048
see, you do this same weird shit of attacking me head on with all these implications and bullshit

wtf are you doing?
IM SKEPTIC BECAUSE YOU DEFEND THIS SHIT SO VIGORIOUSLY

skep·ti·cism also scep·ti·cism (skĕp′tĭ-sĭz′əm)
n.
1. A doubting or questioning attitude or state of mind; dubiety.

>>614225246
>none of the elite eat GMOs
How could you possibly know what this undefined "elite" eat everyday?

>>614225161
>Literally zero people have died from GMOs

It doesn't need to. It'll just make you sick and weak eventually.

Same reason fluoride in the water won't directly kill you.

Pretty funny how all these "anons" just came out of nowhere and started attacking anyone who criticizes or exposes Monsanto.

>>614225433

You're not doubting. You're spreading doubt with awful arguments.

>>614224948
Climate change is one thing

Human caused climate change is another

>>614225579

So what does making people "weak" do? Seems pointless to spend billions studying food to do basically nothing. You never bothered to think this through, did you?

>>614218497
Independence.

Monsanto literally lobbies to fluoridate the U.S. Water supply. Fluoride has been linked to hundreds of diseases and was first utilized in an attempt to make Jews more docile by nazi scientists.

They are buying land, planting gmo seed, spraying toxic chemicals, and those seeds are one time use. That means if they continue to control the food supply and drug the water supply people will continue to get sick.

Oh but obongo care will save em'!

GTFO shilling wort.

Read into something with the heart of a free man rather than idiotic money collecting.

Hell the false sense of pride is so overwhelming people would be dumb founded to conclude that one family owns every central bank and works closely with the other 200 maybe 300 families to maintain control.


What is: Monopoly money and Rothschild Zionism.

>>614216692
Other than the agent orange (which they didn't have a clue it was this toxic - test about this were proven years later) nothing.
Just a bunch of newage fags hating science for no real reason other than "humans are evil, nature is perfect, we should be extinct, and monsanto and gmos are the antichrist".

>>614225595
hello? are we speaking the same fucking language here?

I didnt have any strong argument, I merely said that youre a fucking zealot and its fucking weird tbh

just as weird as hippie fucks who are zealots against Monsanto.

>>614225613
You're one of those retards.

>>614225912

What hundreds of diseases are linked to fluoride at the levels in our water?

>>614224212
EVEN THEY ADMIT IT
http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/saved-seed-farmer-lawsuits.aspx

YOU DON'T EVEN OWN THE PLANTS, YOU HAVE TO KEEP BUYING SEEDS CAUSE YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO RESEED
>not evil

>>614225970

No, you clearly spread doubt with the same "they profit so they're bad" argument that all scientifically illiterate people use.

>>614225475
Look it up. None of them eat it.

I keep trying to post two links but I keep getting "our system thinks your posts is spam"

>>614226091
>http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/saved-seed-farmer-lawsuits.aspx

That isn't suing people because seeds blew onto their crop. Lrn2read

>>614225723
>So what does making people "weak" do?

What do you think? Dumb people down and make them sick.

>>614226186
they profit so theyre good, is that it then?

>>614225353
It has happened, more in india and the 3rd world but it has happened in the US dumb kid go home

>>614226071
Get raped faggot

>>614226335
No.

>>614226198
>our system thinks your posts is spam
That might be a hint. Even the system knows you're shitposting.

>>614226327

Then what? They'll eat less food. Seems counter intuitive to a food company.

>>614226335

Whoa, you're some kind of retard.

>>614226091
If you don't want to keep buying seeds from Monsanto, DON'T BUY SEEDS FROM MONSANTO!

When you enter a contract with Monsanto you sign a contract agreeing not to replant seeds.

>>614223103
This has to be one of the dumbest fucking things I have read on this thread. That takes talent because of all the stupid shit on the thread

>>614226547
my "argument" was misrepresented, I was merely repaying the favour

Kill yourself.

>>614217126
This. And after farmers buy crops. Even if it's Monsanto's fault they gave them the wrong crop. Monsanto has sued before and caused much trouble for the person who planted it because of their fuck up.
>cancerous company

>>614226583
>violate a legal document
>bitch when the justice system slaps you in face with a GMO dick
Farmers are scum.

>>614226731

But your argument was actually that stupid.

>>614216692
How much do you get paid to argue with /b/?

>>614226767

When has this happened?

>>614226583
This, nobody is forcing anything. And all this transactions would be a lot easier if retarded misanthropic hippies weren't this ignorant about science.

>>614216692
Once you buy Monsanto seeds you are not legally allowed to use seeds grown from the plants you planted with the first batch of seeds. It's in their fine print.
So when a farmer buys seeds, plants crops and collects seeds from said crops to plant again. Monsanto comes in with lawyers and wrecks shop.

Cross pollination occurs in that a farm will have Monsanto grown plants, cross pollination causes a neighboring farm to wind up having some of Monsanto's "property" read genetic traits and feats of GMO product.
Monsanto then sues the farm claiming the farm is stealing their product. Lawyers come in and wreck shop.

Monsanto creates some variety of plants with a feature known as Terminator seeds, these plants produce seeds that cannot grow into new plants.
As such with cross pollination it is a potential threat to wipe out a plant population by creating a dead generation of seeds.
Fortunately every country I am aware of has banned the use of said seeds in food crops.

Some Monsanto varieties require their pesticides to be able to produce any yield at all, through cross pollination there is a risk of this spreading to other nearby farms and wiping out crops of farmers who use alternative or no pesticides.

There is a decent amount of research showing that pesticides targeting certain bacterium may well be the primary cause of Colony Collapse disorder in Bees. this is a huge problem and more research is needed to 100% confirm, but so far it seems likely.

The pesticides do cause a decent number of environmental problems including groundwater pollution.

>>614226834
Not really, zealot.

I was merely stating that this is the way of business, retard

>Scenario 1: make food that is not so great, make a lot of profit
>Scenario 2: make food that is healthy, make less profit

What the FUCK scenario do you think companies will mostly choose?

>>614220891
Yes it has. Some kinda of super wheat/soybean they designed accidentally was shipped to a farmer and they sued him/her for it.

>>614220891
>>This has literally never happened.
It has. Litigation tactics for Monsanto include sending a team of strong-arms to check crops in and around the area for their patents, then identifying which places are inadvertently using their seeds because of seed migration and suing the shit out of them for infringement, even if the farmer doesn't know they have Monsanto seedcrops on their land.

I usually don't give a shit about corporate practices, because they're too well designed to fuck over competition and small business, but food corps are bastards when it comes to seed IP and litigation. Monsanto has lobbied to negate the practice of seed storing as well, because of the possibility that their seeds could be mixed in with non-GMO small farms' stores. They have some pretty fucking terrible methods of exacting a profit, which is why I feel terrible for anyone attempting to get into agriculture and farming. It's a lucrative business, but you're going to get fucked by the big agriculture companies at some point.

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>>614226473
Here ya go in pic form. Faggot.

>>614226514
>Then what? They'll eat less food.

They'll eat more because of people like you.

>>614226926
arround three fiddy

>>614226973
>Either buy our product and get a guaranteed buyer for your goods or use your own heritage plants and sell on the open market versus our near monopoly on goods.
>Not forced.
OK LOL

>>614227105
I also fucked Michelle Obama on top of the Eiffel Tower.

Isn't wonderful to say anything without needing proof?

>>614227395
>lol

>>614227284
>They'll eat more because of people like you.
What? Literally dumbfounded at this stupidity.

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>>614226514
Dumb ass low income families eat more because their food is cheap and causes problems

>>614226583
They own 90 percent of the corn market faggot

Fucking kids try harder

>>614222037
And they fed them potatoes, which are toxic to rats.

>>614227041
>Legally not allowed to reseed
It's the person buying the seeds fault for not reading the contract
>Cross Pollination
Never has Monsanto actually sued anyone over cross pollination.
>Terminator seeds
While the technology exists terminator seeds are illegal to sell.
>Dead Crops
Source?

>>614227648
You who parade around (or get paid to) saying LOL EVERYTHNGS OK GUISE JUST EAT IT.

>>614225246
Get cancer and die nigger. Probably don't understand how DNA polymerase, genes, mRNA, ribosomes, and proteins work

>>614227835
Your "answer" to his question was still completely retarded.

>>614227709
>90%
You need to check your numbers again, 90% is not 100%

>>614225264
>>That's an advertorial
I fucking hate that sponsor-content bullshit. Fucking marketing products as factual articles should be illegal.

>>614216692
SOME ONE GIVE ME ONE HEALTH PROBLEM WITH GMO FOODS.

>>614227803
Don't bother explaining. The will continue to make baseless claims because they love the "perfect mother nature". And when they can't prove their claims they'll start to insult everyone who doesn't agree with their retarded dogma.

>>614227973
no u

Lets start with how they killed so many military personnel with the so called safe 'agent orange' in Vietnam!

Things that kill natural farming:
1. Over-nitration of the soil. High levels of nitrogen actually kill off the microbes that produce it naturally in the soil. Thus, requiring more nitrogen to be added artificially and making the problem worse and worse.

2. A number of FDA approved pesticides have been linked to "Colony Collapse Syndrome". Hence, CCS isn't actually a thing, it was always use of inappropriate pesticides that was killing bees.

3. Homogenization. When a species is homogenized, it becomes highly susceptible to diseases and other forms of predation by organisms exploiting a niche. Diversity of plants helps to naturally buffer these effects so that one plague doesn't wipe out an entire crop.
e.g: almost all banana crops nearly being wiped out by a fungus because there are only 1 or 2 commercial species

Guess what Monsanto does? ALL THREE
>not evil

>>614228282
They're scary and will lead to mutant armies of super soldiers and martial law. That and people are afraid of things they don't understand.

Shit's natural and Lysol is unnatural, which one would you clean your desk with?

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>Hippies hating Monsanto no matter what
>Shills defending Monsanto no matter what
I cant really decide which of the two is more retarded.

As usual, the truth probably is somewhere inbetween
Monsanto probably fucks some shit up and aint perfect by a long shot
But it aint gonna give everyone cancer and explode the planet either

>>614227709
>>2015
>>Government not having legislation banning persons with heavy corporate lobbying background from working with regulatory agencies due to conflict of interest

>>614227973
>Get cancer and die nigger.

Nope. I only eat organic.

You get a nice disease and let your insides rot.

>>614228015
No it wasn't.

>>614228367
Wow, you just proved Monsanto wrong. You should publish your findings on science magazines. Quick,before someone steals your work!

>>614225579
Yes when I went through the Microbiology program I had to take a Shill 101 class. Hope your DNA mutates in a cell and it starts dividing uncontrollable

Monsanto has near-monopolistic control over certain crops. That alone is worrying, and when you pile on the patenting of genetic information and permanent licencing arrangements they impose on farmers, it's just plain a terrible company.

Sources, *from Monsanto's own website*:
http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/saved-seed-farmer-lawsuits.aspx
http://www.monsanto.com/food-inc/pages/monsanto-revolving-door.aspx

Other than "the government hasn't stopped us yet" and "here's a study that vaguely indicates people will buy from our competitors", there's nothing there to contradict that Monsanto has a monopoly on soya bean seeds.

>>614228631
This.

>>614228214
So as long as its not 100 percent its okay

Fuck off

>>614228661
>>Then what? They'll eat less food.

>>They'll eat more because of people like you.

Yes it was.

>>614225613
Nigger detected

>>614228729
>Yes when I went through the Microbiology program

Sure buddy.

>Hope your DNA mutates in a cell and it starts dividing uncontrollable

Now I wonder who would get that mad over someone merely criticizing Monsanto and eating organic.

>>614228679
Science doesn't care about evil. Common sense cares about destroying farmland (you know, that thing we need to produce food).

>>614216692

They are makign GMO's that sterilize plants. This controls farmers and is done only for profit. It means farmers cannot keep seed from year to year. Instead, they must buy new seed from Monsanto.

This is evila nd dangerous as shit because if all farms were using Monsanto seed, but they failed to produce new product, went out of business, or for whatever reason the copyrighted genes were made unavailable for public use ( A rich asshole could buy it then just not sell seed anymore.)

If any of that shit happens then, tada, no food.

It's insanely reckless and stupid and will probably eventually lead to a massive famine.

>>614228282
Wow you should really research this and you may be amazed!

>>614228901
>doesn't address why despite explanation of answer

So how much are you getting paid?

I think the real question nowadays is:

How can you, as someone who isn't a expert on a given topic, properly form an educated opinion on said topic, when all sides are throwing out more research than you can reasonably work through, much less check if it's actually peer reviewed properly?
Add to that how many peer reviewed studies actually turn out to be bullshit and are paid for by someone with a financial interest in the outcome of the study.
How can you really be sure of anything you are taught besides self evident concepts? Not to mention propaganda, you know how everyone's always going on about how the Ruskies are telling lies? They say the same things about us. So who is right? I will never be able to verify either of these claims.
I'm too apathetic to become a conspiritard, but sometimes I wonder how many lies I have accepted as truth.

>>614228347
Yep. This is basically one of their only true faults. And they didn't planned it to be this toxic. Studies were done years past that.

>>614228635
Obama appointed him

Clearly obama is a puppet

>>614229029
Terminator crops are illegal for obvious reasons

>>614228505
Right tho, my gf parents think even the fluoride in the water is gonna give people cancer. I cant handle it.

>>614229137
I have. Seriously give me one.

>>614229029
Prove all the things you just said. Other than that, GMO's are good.

>>614229167
Nothing.

You said they would get weak sick.
He said then they wouldn't be able to eat Monsanto food.
You said they would still be able to simply because he supports them.

That my friend is retarded.

I hate Monsanto but,

http://omicsonline.org/search-related-journal-articles.php

search glyphosate

and its Survey of Glyphosate Residues in Honey, Corn and Soy Products

sorry guys monsanto is doing their research

>>614229137
It would be the other way around.

>>614228996
kek
Sure bro.

>>614224855
Show me a picture where an autistic persons brain looks any different then ours, or should I say mine?

there are links to autistic behavior and levels of Gut Bacteria bi products (chemicals? horomones? i cant remember)

>>614228661
You're a fucking retard if you think eating organic will protect you from cancer

>>614229482
>Nothing.

You do it FOR FREE?

>You said they would get weak sick.
>He said then they wouldn't be able to eat Monsanto food.

Why would they stop?

Do you hippies really think Monsanto is sitting in labs making sure everything has cancer in it to kill their clients and lose money?

Do we have to go over how capitalism works?

>>614229223
Indeed. Science reports the truth with a degree of accuracy, but bad science can say whatever the author wants. Few people can tell the difference between the two, and no one knows enough to consistently distinguish them.

I say, just go with what makes you happy and reserve judgement on everything else. Being right for its own sake is ultimately meaningless.

QUESTION for knowledgable hippies or monsanto shills

Is there a risk that if Monsanto monopolizes the market, all the corn will be practically the same, and a single disease could wipe out everything?

I have no idea, just asking.

>>614228739
This man knows the truth!

I'm a small scale farmer raising pigs, goats, turkeys, chickens, ducks, fields of corn etc. and Monsanto scares the hell out of me and my fellow farmers!

>>614229280
>>614229478

I just looked it up, you are right, They aren't actually doing this. It's just more bullshit articles. I keep hearing about this and assumed.

I can't find anything credible against them. I just never bothered to actually look it up.

>>614229752
Do you have a medical degree? Do you have anything to back up your claims besides some random blog?
I don't know: Studies published by real scientists and not your vegan neighbour.

>>614230022
Yknow this argument goes both ways.

if a company makes more profit selling something SLIGHTLY less healthy (though not deadly of course), do you think they would instead sell the healthiest version of it?

>>614229807
It won't be from GMOs. I go to the doctor occasionally for check ups anyway.

Go ahead and eat your disgusting frankenfoods.

>>614230022
>Do you hippies really think Monsanto is sitting in labs making sure everything has cancer in it to kill their clients and lose money?

How are they gonna lose money when they have government backing?

>>614229916
>Why would they stop?
Sick people eat less and die and stop eating entirely.

You do it FOR FREE?

Argue with mentally deficient people? Yes.

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>>614228631
>>Terrible business practices
>>Feeds large populations
>>This thread
I took a couple of courses last semester with one professor who legitimately attempted to push Gaia theory as considerable fact, and another who was a counter-culturalist that thought all corporate entities existed to do evil, so we should all go work at some farm he had contacts with.

Neither of them agreed with the idea of profit making and didn't like to entertain financial arguments. They just wanted to talk about idealist theory. Drove me mad because I had to effectively learn how current political and economic systems worked on my own, instead of hearing about how they SHOULD work.

>>614230245
>Sick people eat less and die and stop eating entirely.

They're not going to melt. They'll just rot.

Just like how fluoride in the water lowers IQs over many many years.

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>>614229237
What do you think about this picture

Checkmate monsantofags

>>614230192
They aren't. Even Neil DeGrasse Tyson is on our side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ecT2CaL7NA

>>614228975
Yes I am here because I am a paid shill. Not because I have done genetic modification on both eukaryotes and prokaryotes before and I understand how genes and proteins work. Maybe I should just give up my 4 year degree and watch YouTube clips because you know more about biology than I do. Even though you have never been in a bio lab

>>614229029
>This is evila nd dangerous as shit because if all farms were using Monsanto seed, but they failed to produce new product, went out of business, or for whatever reason the copyrighted genes were made unavailable for public use
That's not evil, just good business sense. It's removing competition and cornering a market. If you think that's evil, go live on a fucking collective farm and become a Luddite, because the rest of the world is going to disappoint the shit out of you.

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>>614217236

>collective-evolution

>>614229752
You're so full of shit, the only links between Autism they have found is between parents age and taking of prenatal pills

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>>614230448
Source: Hippie blogs, not actual studies.

http://www.twitch forsenlol/v/4717563

skip to 6 hours, 14 mins in or so. never laughed harder than in those two hours, fucking gold. i love this guy

>>614230503
I'm also a weight lifting champion and pro MMA fighter.

Trust me. Why would I lie on the internet?

>>614230431
>They'll just rot.
And that helps Monsanto how?

>>614229223
It doesn't have to be right, it just has to influence your decision making.

>>614230075
>I say, just go with what makes you happy and reserve judgement on everything else
Prepare to have get taken fucking advantage of, then.

>>614220924
It has no effect on humans or animals. Round Up's active chemical is glyposate, which inhibits the enzyme ESPS synthetase in the Shikimate Acid Pathway of plants and bacteria for the inhibiton of de novo biosynthesis of aromatic amino acids such as Phenyalanine, and Tyrosine. Humans and Animals do not have the Shikimate Acid Pathway, and can not synthesize aromatic amino acids such as Phenylalanie, therefore Round Up has no place to act. Round Up Resistant crops are transgenic plants expressing a bacterial CP4 ESPS Synthetase Enzyme, which glyposphate can not inhibit, and thus are immune from Round Up, which ill kill weeds and pests trying to interfere with the plant to provide optimal growth.

>>614231140
>And that helps Monsanto how?

Monsanto is government backed. The "company" is just a front.

Look up Obama granting Monsanto immunity.

>>614231140
That helps Monsanto being evil and destroying the world. Their ultimate prolific goal.... wait a minute.

>>614231380
>The "company" is just a front.

Now were just making shit up?

>>614220568
>Not to mention there is proof GMOS have proven to be harmful to rats and pigs..
likely citing seralini or a hippy from facebook

>>614231380
Yeah, yeah. I know bro, the illuminati are behind this.
It is all a reptilian plan to wipe humanity out.t.

>>614231098
Not him but this is a weak reply tbh.

Google the names and you can confirm this

So why do you blindly attack it? Makes you seem like a shill.

>>614231225
How am I going to get taken advantage of, exactly?

>>614216692
they're growing FOOD for us to EAT

DEATH TO FOOD

>>614230078
Yes seeing this problem with bananas. I am one of the Monsanto shills with a degree in Microbiology

>>614216692
DDT

>>614231275
So since the active ingredient in RoundUp has no effect on humans, it should be perfectly safe to drink. Right?

>>614231539
Look it up.

>>614231683
Never said anything of the sort.

>>614231915
>Look it up.
"Do my work for me."

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>>614231683
You called?

>>614231705
Ok.
I have always liked that "google it" response. Just show me here if you have this knowledge.

>>614232006
This. kek

>>614230231
I rather eat food that idiots call "Frakenfood" than eat pesticide food

>>614231543
I'm noticing several anons saying "hippies" over and over.

Almost like they're in unison in a group effort.

>>614232006
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-grants-monsanto-immunity

>>614221749
>company protects their product so they can make money
how dare a company in a capitalist economy try and make profit?

>>614231915
Jew didn't, but it's true. Look it up in google.

>>614231842
>Yes seeing this problem with bananas
I see

>I am one of the Monsanto shills
kek

So maybe this is something Monsanto can work on, diversify the crops to prevent mass susceptibility to disease.

>>614232083
Whatever, at this point youre just being retarded. I hope youre not the same guy Im replying to above, cause I got the idea that he is actually reasonable.

>>614232252
My food is clean. You go ahead and enjoy your frankenfood that grows its own pesticides.

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>>614231098
How does the website showing the pic disprove the actual credentials of these people that you can double check like michael taylor you fucking faggot

All i did was was google image fda and monsanto

You suck shill

>>614232574
Because a blog written by a moron doesn't prove anything.

>>614232065
top kek

>>614232574
Tbh the right one on this picture is a bit weak
Some attorney going to work in the Supreme Court is not very surprising

Other than that I agree that it is reasonable to be concerned about a possible conflict of interests going on with the people on this list >>614230448

>>614216692
They are trying to patent the food that feeds the world.
They are messing around with the genes of the food that feeds the world, they generally don't know the long term consequences of there manipulation of food stuffs but they are almost certain it won't have serious long term consequences.

They are truely evil.

>>614232412
Sure.

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>>614217126
>being pricks to farmers by locking them into deals
If there's a reason to hate Monsanto. it's this.

>they do alot of gmo stuff that some people find shady
There's nothing wrong with GMOs. Just a bunch of alarmist bullshit spewed by people who don't understand how genetic engineering works.

>>614231132
Anyone with a background in biology who read my post would know I know my shit. Since you have no idea what I am talking about you're just some ignorant nigger who thinks they know more than scientists. I worked hard for my degree for you to think you know more than me because you read hippie blogs and watch retarded YouTube clips show how fucking stupid you are

>>614216692
Also they have a disregard for bee's, and we all know what Einstein said of bee's.

>>614231870
Meh, probably not the best to drink a shit load of it, but trace amounts in food won't really cause harm.

' The mechanisms of toxicity of glyphosate formulations are complicated. Not only is glyphosate used as five different salts but commercial formulations of it contain surfactants, which vary in nature and concentration. As a result, human poisoning with this herbicide is not with the active ingredient alone but with complex and variable mixtures.'

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15862083