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Fag children: I'm gay! Accept me! I've been having sex with my boyfriend for a year now!
Ess-jay-dubs: Love this faggot! Accept him for who he is!

Tranny children: My parents give me dresses and dolls and cut my hair a certain way! They told me I could be a boy or girl! I have a penis but I guess I'll be a girl? I can take pills and get surgery. Maybe I can just be both?
Ess-jay-dubs: What great parenting! These children are saints! If you disagree you're Hitler!

Pedo Children: The nice man gives me gifts and we play games together. He's my best friend and he teaches me new games that feel good!
Ess-Jay-Dubs: RAPE! KILL THE PEDO BASTARD! THIS CHILD HAS NO CONSCIOUSNESS OR RATIONAL!

>mfw this is what fag logic leads to
I give it 30 years

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>>612242771

If you think any state/country/nation would pass such shit you're a dense motherfucker.

Still sick of the abortion stigma, what is dis.

they will never get through with this.

for good.

>>612243304

> dat logic

you're a fucking idiot. the great difference in gay and transgender people is, that they harm NO ONE.

having sex with a child does harm the child. there is fucking nothing to argue about in this point.

fucking idiot.

>>612242771
Well what do you expect? People are tired of fucking goats in secret. They want to make it legal so they don't have to hide it. I say mak it legal for one day then the next day make it a crime on the same level of mass murder and execute all the sick fucks.

>>612242771
I hope it passes, with all the children getting to make decisions about their body today... might as well. Even if you out parental consent as a factor it would be nice to not oversexualize sex with children to the point where the rise of sex predators starts to go down...

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best use of this image

>>612243898
Children are being allowed to change genders at the age of 10 and you say it hurts no one. Uhm, what?

Who is Peter file?

>>612242771
Did you just really copy a whole thread off of 8 c h

>>612244217
A guy that has a lot of haters, Cause they are dumb fucks that don't accept him

die thread

>>612244173
what the fuck you stupid shit, how can you even walk on to legs?
its something completely different you absolute retard. i cant believe what im reading, is there seriously people on this world that are this dumb?
that is because it is THEIR WISH. and they have to undergo months if not years if psychological inspection before doing so.
WHY, i ask you WHY, would any child, that is not even sexually evolved or as ANY craving for sex, would want to do so with a grown up?
you are a complete idiot. please dont breed.

>>612243304
Dat slippery slope fallacy

Do your research fags.
This party was created in 2006 and disbanded in 2010

>>612243898
yeah, your right.. I mean its not as if humans are bioligically developed to be able to reproduce in their early teens, or that their bodies can easily deal with the "stress", or that 200 years ago it was common practice.. But yeah, self mutilation based on a jaded worldview and weak parenting harms NO ONE.. get your head check, or get it emptied please. Both are fucking pointless and stupid.

>>612243898
top lel m8.

male+female intercourse is natural by the point nature intends it to be, which is around 13. You cannot really pin point a certain age since it vaies greatly.
Thus this whole consent age is bullshit anyway.

And yes a 20yo having sensual sex with a 12 year old should in general be considered a lot more natural than gay sex.

Homosexuality is an entirely different thing. And the worries and discussion around it are probably justified though in particular its not really a Problem.
Trans guys are a lot worse.

To sum it up.
Pedophilia is a choise, a fetish, a preference.
It is not something that you are born with like homosxuality.
Pedophilia is nothing different than liking grannies, except its a radical shift in age.

People need to wake up.

Pedos dont harm kids.
Rapists and murderer do, but that problem is not kid-exlusive.

Its happening.

>>612244965
> thinking its self mutilation when taking hormones

i stopped taking your post seriously at that point, anon. what the fuck. and whats up with this "200 years ago it was okay so its okay today, duh". fucking retard, 200 years ago was a completely different world than today. way more suffering, psychologically damaged people on the mass, starting wars and being stupid as fuck.
guess the only thing better in that time was that fucktwats like you were being cooked alive.

I just love children. I want to make them feel good. Ahh, feels good in my cock too. Sry poorfags, you cant have what i have.

>>612244989
we are not living in the stone ages anymore you fucking idiot. we, as human race, have gone way beyond having sex for reproduction. 99,999% of sex today is for fun, not for reproduction purposes.

pedophilia is only a choice on ONE FUCKING SIDE. the other side is getting fucking raped. theres no fucking way to argue around that.

pedophilia as it is is something you evolve, its a fetish, thats right. you cant do anything about it, but living it out is a whole different fucking thing, because people are getting fucking hurt.

a 12 year old is not capable of giving full consent to something like sex.

pedos that are living their sickness out DO HARM KIDS. they fucking do. its physical evidence. saying anything else is fucking lunatic.

>>612243304
fucking this

>>612244645
how about young girls who CHOOSE to have sex with older guys?

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalizing all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all.

lets do it!

>>612242771
But sex with 12 year old is not pedophilia in medical and psychological terms. Just only in law and nowadays culture.

>>612244645
I guess this is bait but I'll bite.

What children want and what's best for them isn't always the same. It's way too early for them to make such a life changing decision. There is absolutely no discussion about this.
They can dress however they want (if their parents are ok with this) and behave how they want but actual surgery or hormone therapy is off the charts.

And if you seriously believe that a 10 year old child should be able to make such decision you are the one who shouldn't breed.

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>>612246272
>DO HARM KIDS?
How as in psychically or physically?
If they harm them physically then they were lusty little shit that could'nt wait a bit longer for the girl to grow up.

If the girl is no real pain then nothing is wrong with that.

Regarding physically, Aslong as the girl does not agree to it, its rape nonetheless, just like it would be for grown ups.

And you cannot tell me that girls at age 12-14 do not honestly want sex. Some crave it.
I've had my first time with 15 with a 13 yo.
This shit happenes all the time, infact it was her lusting for it back then.

Jesus.

>But they'd never want to do it with older men.

Not sure if thats true doc, there are lots of girls with daddy-issues. And girls in general long for older men usually. Its a natural phenomenon that girls are always earlier more mature than men.

>>612243401
There are already countries where marrying children is tradition, and others where pimping them in brothels is only looked down upon.

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>>612246176

Im Dutch, this is bait, and total bullshit. The legal age is 18, not 16 btw

>>612246176
>in my cock
What exactly are stuffing indise your dick m8?

>>612247280
>taking this serious while being dutch

>>612246956
im not saying that a 10 year old should make this decision. and by the way im pretty sure they cant make this decision alone, their parents will have to consent.
and i never said im a big fan of transgendering, i see it critical too.
but this is not a discussion about transgenders...

check deze mongolen

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i'd go 13 for lowest reasonable age

>>612246956
>What children want and what's best for them isn't always the same. It's way too early for them to make such a life changing decision. There is absolutely no discussion about this.

By this reasoning credit cards should basically be illegal.
Adults aren't any more inherently capable of knowing what's "best" for them, imo, and abusive relationships could be handled just as they are for adults.

>>612247250
They might comes after you for wasting their time with a anon on 4 chin.. You're really stupid

>>612243401
And it took Japan until this July or so to actually ban the possesion of cp.

>>612247673
I know it's not a discussion about transgender but pedo talk is rather boring and I just happened to see your post on the front page so I responded.

>>612246855
Them that's a gem found in a world of shit

>>612247017
you fucking idiot, besides some very rare cases, 12 your old girl's vaginas are not even developed enough to have sex. they rib fucking open and bleed like shit. its just fucking sick.
you are on the internet, get fucking informed. children that have been raped by adults often suffer their whole life from the injuries.

and not to speak of the psychological harm. sure, teens get curious about sex and stuff, but its a whole different thing when they do it with people around their ages. their bodies are not developed too and they are both equally inexperienced. you cant compare that to adults.

and just because some girls crave sex with older men doesnt mean its "right". im not being a moralfag here, but youve had a lot of stupid ideas when you where young.

>>612244645
Months and years of psychological inspection doesn't change the fact that taking hormones and having surgery to alter their genitalia is irreparable physical damage, and it's allowed to happen. Much more damaging than sex, which usually doesn't lead to physiological changes and wouldn't lead to psychological damage if they weren't influenced by everybody telling them they've been abused.

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>>612246272
>we, as human race, have gone way beyond having sex for reproduction

>>612247876
yeah agreed legal age for Japan and Germany I think

>>612248384
>12 year old vaginas rip and bleed
Only from forceful rape. Most 12 year old girls are just a couple years away from being fully sexually mature (16 being the mean). From normal, consentual sex, the hymen would be the only thing breaking, which occurs anyhow. Vaginas are stretchy and lubricate. Unless she's taking monster cocks, she'll be fine in most cases.

>>612248384
>but youve had a lot of stupid ideas when you where young.
Probably yes, but those are mostly related to being a lazy ass at school... I have no regrets regarding my ex girlfriends or my first time. It all happened within a safe harbour of consent and willingness. Noone was harmed.

And its no use called me an idiot either because I already told you that if it harms them physically as in excessive bleeding and shit then it sure is wrong. And you should ram that noodle in like a truck. Go slow and if it hurts her to much, you must stop.

And psychological harm only happens if its against the girls own will. If she agrees to it, where the fuck is the problem?

Clearly you are the idiot for not reading properly what I said.

I only mentioned that IN GENERAL there is nothing wrong with having sex at or with 12 year olds aslong as noone gets harmed, everyone is open to it and honestly comitting to it.

I know a case of a 22yo that lives in my area that had sex with a 13yo. She wanted it and he got her parents fucking approval mate. WHAT MORE do you need? Honestly people, take a step back and view this from a neutral perspective.

leave all the propaganda aside you've been exposed to.

>>612249621
should'nt ram.. duh. What a fatal spelling mistake. I am in a rush sorry.

>>612249264
But statewise it's higher everywhere in Japan I think. 13 is only federal. Don't know about Germany even though I'm German.

>>612248532
So why do you care about other people genitals though??? That's what I don't get with people like you?

>>612249264
14 in germany. but close.
And I think Japan was undergoing some new laws last year?!
I think its 16 or 18 now. Diddnt they ban junior idols too?

Manipulating children and insecure teenagers is so fucking easy you sleazy bastards. There would be no way of telling your special little snowflakes sincere feelings from abuse fucking retards. Yy, i love children. Feels good in my peepee to. Just kill yourself.

>>612250526
i.e. its all fucking abuse if you retads couldnt tell.

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>>612250035
Japan folded to American moral fags, Well that sucks, I always like Japan for it's unique and different culture shame the world will end up the same.. Isn't that what communism is ultimately in the end

>>612250526
This guys actually got a point

>>612249958
Why do you care? Is it not the same argument (whether or not children should be allowed to decide what to do with their genitals)? One causes irreparable changes every time, one doesn't. IMO, the worse off the two is allowed, while the other one only causes damage through an act that is already illegal (forceful rape). The notion that sex with someone under the age of consent is always rape is stupid and fails to take into account that 12 year olds aren't any more retarded than adults. If you use the coercion argument, that only applies to people that are in positions of authority over the child, like parents and teachers. That's already illegal in most cases too, even when the parties are of age. If you talk about the kids changing their mind after the fact, well the laws are moving in that direction regarding adult women too. Maybe we should rule that NO women can consent.

>>612250902
Indeed. My thinking exactly.
But fear not my friends.
By now japan has done SO many junior idol photosets that reach back to the 80's.

You'd spend a lifetime watching/collection them.

>>612250526
Not arguing with that. I find it only interesting that there is a strict line drawn between underage and above, that extends to treating all above as emotionally capable to at least chose being manipulated, and even more baffling to me, that for adults love and sex is somehow automatically a good thing. If sex is automatically bad for underage people (and let's assume at least for the sake of the argument it indeed is), couldn't many maintain that same vulnerabilities into adulthood?
Yet asexuality among adults tends to get pathologized to at least some extent.

>>612250526
Maybe if they're from a farm somewhere, but most city/suburban kids are fucking savvy. The same can be said of adults. Why make the distinction? Adult women can be "easily manipulated" into sex too, but it's not rape. It's just lies and sex. I could pretend to be in love with women of any age and get sex.

The party wants free train travel for all. Sounds cool to me. fuck everything else they want and we're good
>>612248384
Finally someone thinking about it

>>612251284
I was really making a argument, Anyway so why are law enforcement obsessed with children's genitals then! I don't understand them either

>>612251460
Strict line as opposed to what? License to fuck?

Whats up with the fucking website op linked tho.

>>612243401
Are you a retard?
Half a dozen Muslim countries EXPECT girls to be married by the age of 12.
A 14yo single girl is a spinster in those countries.
In Ethiopia, Chad and Niger, the legal marriage age is 15, but local customs and religious courts have the power to allow marriages below 12 years of age. In parts of Ethiopia and Nigeria many girls are married before the age of 15, some as young as 7. The rate of marriage of 8 to 13 year old girls exceed 50% in northwest regions of Pakistan. Every 2 out of 3 marriages involve child marriages. According to statistics from 2005, 49% of women then between 25 and 29 were married by the age of 15 in Bangladesh. In Iran, girls may marry at 13 while Yemeni Muslim activists argue that some girls are ready for marriage at age 9

This party dissolved 5 years ago...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Neighbourly_Love,_Freedom,_and_Diversity

>>612251460
I think consent should be introduced earlier (in terms of contacts and sex). There would be harsher penalties for violations against those younger than 16, but they'd still have the ability to make decisions legally. I would have been better off to become legally emancipated from my mom at 14 and allowed to quit school, get my GED and be able to file my own FAFSA without including their income under the age of TWENTY FUCKING FIVE. They certainly weren't supporting me, but because I wasn't legally allowed to work or miss school, I couldn't have a job and pay my own way, even though my dad was gone and my mom was too drunk and useless to even file for welfare and unemployment. Due to not having food and becoming homeless for 3 months, I was failing anyway. Age of control-I mean consent-laws are bullshit. It applies much further than just sex and can be insidious for those of us that had shitty parents and wanted to get away without using the fucking foster system (getting forcefully raped anyway). I was smart enough to get into prep schools, academic contests and grants in elementary school (but I wasn't legally allowed to accept on my own). I think I could have handled living in a college dorm, had I been properly empowered by the system. Fuck age discrimination.

>>612251757
This.
We manipulate everyone for sex.
No difference between a child or adult
>yfw most sex is considered rape

>>612242771
Any Dutchfag can start a polotical party. It is a right.

> will not take part in any elections
> this thread constitutes their maximum effect on the world

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>>612251757
Because there needs to be means to protect children from abuse? Being grown up means taking responsibility of ones actions.

>>612253350
This lol.

>>612253098
And this.
The perception (enshrined in law) that children are bumbling retards until the age of 18 and then a day later are magically fully functioning perfectly rational superbeings is absolute horse shit and has more to do with ensuring a continued culture of people owning other people (explicitly or not) than protecting anyone.

People own their kids, are owned by their boss, who is in turn owned by the state. Everyone to the state, by the state's own say-so; the way the church used to be.

>>612244261
No one knows because no one goes there.

>>612251984
Because it gives control over the children, and parents by proxy. I think the systems in place that prevent children from working, signing contacts, and basically having their own legal authority (they're essentially property of their parents and the state) was designed to keep jobs in the hands of adults and to prevent the poor from amounting to anything, all under the guise of protecting the kids from becoming exploited (until they're 18, of course). For fucks sake, indentured servitude still exists in the US disguised as public safety and rehabilitation. It's called prison. They strip you off your rights as a citizen, make you work for pennies and make huge profits until you serve some arbitrary term (and even then your rights are never fully restored). Violent offenders aren't even the majority. Drug offenders are.

>>612254115
Don't forget about sex offenders

>>612243304
just wait 1000 years. Religion will be at 0.001% and everything else will be legal.

>>612242771

>sex illegal under 12

>cp trade banned

they arent really pedos they just look at things from a different perspective, i dislike the last point btw

>>612243898
Gay people are the fucking worse. I was molested by 2 gay guys on 3 different occasions growing up and got a std from 1. I don't even want to be with girls because I know I'll spread it. Fuck gays

>>612253922
>>612253922
Children are still abused. Nothing will stop that. They also lack any kind of empowerment to stop the abuse themselves, as they cannot do anything legally without someone representing them. How many kids are taken from one abusive home only to be placed in another?

I'm pretty sure that attraction to age 12 isn't classed as paedophilia. It's more pre-pubescent. like 6-9

>>612254412
Again, rape is already illegal. Statutory rape is asinine and archaic (even though it's relatively new). The laws aren't there to protect you, they're there to make someone else rich.

>>612255177
Obviously

>>612242771

Why are you posting this again when you already know that this shit was disbanded?

>>612254855
Yes its a sad state of affairs. Id be mortified to have own children and have to explain why the world is going to hell and this is the best we could do, best we could imagine.

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>>612254771
U wot m8

I say pedophiles should be allowed to adopt just like fags can.

There is no state where it is legal to have sex with children.

>>612253098
I completely agree, however with sex and psychoactive chemicals there is the argument that younger brains have a particular vulnerability.
So your argument, to which I fully agree, that children have too little autonomy doesn't really counter these arguments.

Especially for children whose fate was a fucked up environment anyway. Not only could you argue that the consequences of their own choices could hardly make things worse, they also grow up faster and actually do develop the psychology to be self-sufficient. While it was not that bad financially in my case, I still consider myself to belong to that group.

>>612242771
>Congratulation Dutchbros for soon being able to watch CP and have sex with 12yos
So all residents of 4chan will be moving to the Netherlands soon?

>>612242771

DAILY REMINDER THAT PEDOPHILIA REFERS TO PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN AND NOT TEENAGERS.

>>612254412
They hardly make up the majority of the indentured labor force. It's mostly drug offenders in prison. If you want to talk about consent, how about these forced labor camps we've STILL got in the country. You think they actually have a choice? There's usually institutionalized coercion involved, if not outright blackmail.

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Give them dolls.

>>612246272
you're one dense motherfucker
kids at age of 12 know more about sex than you do virgin closet fag

>>612255690
Isn't that still illegal in most places?

>>612255519
Who is his/her partner though, Can singles adopt?

>>612255690
reported

>>612255888
Despite the trips, it's a doll, and you're a moron.

>also checked

Well this thread has been some what interesting, Lot of different view points

>>612256056
that doll is too real

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>>612255723
Nice argumentation there prof.