>>603272361
mexican family so i can kind answer
1. how did the situation there get so bad?
paying off people and killing off anyone who doesnt agree. cartels have killed police, journalists, lawyers, even random people who tweet against cartels
2. how much do cartels influence politics there?
i wouldnt say much. its literally them trying to run their drug trade, pay off people here and there to look the other way. but if you cross their path you will die.
3. do you think that the mexican drug war is winnable?
no. it will take decaded to repair the damage. I often hear on the news of a new "head druglord" getting killed or caught, yert the mass murders still happen.

OP if you are genuinely interested, read up on the like 40 kids that disappeared a few months ago. Truly atrocious government and police, being run by cartels.

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To answer #3, Mexicans cannot win the war on their own. They simply do not have the manpower to deal with it. Even if they did eradicate every single of the current cartels, more would instantly pop up. The business is simply too lucrative.

>>603272361
1. because of america's war on drugs
2. very much so
3. maybe by making drugs legal and letting darwinism sort things out

>>603273776
>The business is simply too lucrative.
What if drugs were legalized?

>>603273978
It not just drugs anymore...Zetas for example. Drugs is only half the profit stream.

>>603272361
1.1. how did the situation there get so bad?
Corruption. Whenever crime gets a hold that hard it always starts with corruption. And not just government and police corruption, but regular people too. It normalises crime.

>>603274058
YES
in this way, there is regulation of the market. that means safer drugs and tax revenue. By taking the market away from the illegals and making the drugs available through other sources (non-illegal ones), the cartel market dominance drops and they ultimately become less powerful. forgive me if im wrong...

>>603273618

Look like it came out from Mad Max 2.

>>603274606
Not that simple any more. Zetas, CT, GDF are heavy into taxing businesses, petroleum, mining, etc.

>>603274730
Narco-tanks.

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>>603272361
Ex-mex living now in Quebec

>1. how did the situation there get so bad?
The situation has more or less always been bad. Lately, the downfall of Pablo Escobar, American influence and the entrance of the Zetas has permitted the institutionalization of corruption, that ultimately leads to what you've just saw.

>2. how much do cartels influence politics there?
I'd say a big deal. At least in the hot zones, you must be in good terms with the controlling cartel, or else you won't ascend. I haven't heard of a non-corrupt governor or senator yet. If you don't bend, you break.

>3. do you think that the mexican drug war is winnable?
Not in the near future. Only if Cuba opens its borders, thus becoming the new Colombia/Mexico, and it somehow benefits the United States.
North America needs its drugs somehow.
I love to daydream about a charismatic leader emerging when the situation is favorable and cleaning the place a bit, but in reality he would be assassinated before achieving anything

Used to be when the plazas were run with everything as discreet as possible. When the PRI were voted out, all bets more or less were off.

what i cant understand is how the knuckleheads running our federal government think it is a good idea to allow the corrupt and savage idiots who created the shit hole mexico into the usa and think they arent going to bring their retarded shit with them. the people who argue for open borders must be the most nave and thoroughly out of touch cock hammers on the planet.

>>603272361
America benefits from the cartels. They don't want people to go to america from the south. This is also the reason there is no raod trough the jungle from south to north america. So yeah, nobody's actually trying to "win" this war, so i could take a while.

>>603275729
derp naive

>>603275729
Dude, "For narcos, there are no borders" You think these are minor leaguers? The power the top capos have is pretty stupendous.

>>603272361

MFW he thinks Mexico is the problem. MFW I have no face

>>603275729
yeah, but if they make the the boarder stricter (by spending money) they discriminate to the dismay of the part of the US population (plus foreign) that doesn't think

People are idiots, gov't wastes money on other sutff

>>603272361
Mexican living in Mexico answering
1.- It was all very normal until ex-president Calderon decided to order the Army to fight and destroy the cartels, the situation quickly scaled in the most dangerous areas, especially close to the borders, in the state of Michoacan, and the southern regions, that was 2006.
2. It is hard to tell as it is variable, they sure have a lot of influence in municipal levels of governments, especially in underdeveloped areas. To understand this conflict, you have to understand that there are zones in Mexico that are just as liveable and ordered as any first world country, and there are zones that are litereally wastelands where the government has difficulties enforcing the law, small villages and poor cities are like a home to cartels, as their governments are easily corrupted, and their people can be bought or enslaved.
3.- It is winnable, right now it is much better than it was a couple of years ago, however you still see military detachments in the streets or Federal Police operations on a daily basis in conflicted areas, but at least in my city there hasn't been any major shootout for at least 7 years or so. when shit hits the fan is when two cartels are disputing territory, or when the army is trying to suppress them.

>>603272361
'winnable' yes legalize drugs.

>>603276551
sounds like you think that the mexican army taking action is a bad thing, do you agree?

>>603276196
negro please. are you really trying to argue that having 30 million illegal mexicans in the us doesnt make it easier for narcfags to spread their cancer into the us? because that is a stupid fucking argument. it is only a matter of time before those cunts are shooting up american cities like they are shooting up their own.

>>603276590
The top cartels have already diversified. Drugs is only part of their income stream now.

>>603276847
No they wont you stupid shit. because here is the marketplace and the capos want as little heat as possible. The cartels are already in the US from coast to coast, border to border. they do their best to stay low since US law enforcement is treated with tremendous respect by the narcos.

>>603276881
half. halving their income will fuck them up. and the smaller ones will cease to exist.

Shit sucks because I really want to go to Tijuana. Have friends who used to go years ago and to,d me it was awesome. Also, they have some very good brothels and I like me some hookers.

Don't want to get murdered, though.

>>603274276


it fuels their legit business ventures

>>603277687
Legalizing weed would make sense. How would you legalize meth, which is a huge moneymaker?

>>603276842
not at all, I would rather have half an army batallion garrisoned in my city than have it controlled by the cartels, but the thing is, you don't really want to be close to the army either, as their presence usually means bad shit is going to happen, also nobody likes being aimed with a mounted 40mm grenade launcher in a check point just because you have a large truck like the ones cartel men use.

>>603277991
TJ is fine these days. Sinaloa more or less took the plaza there and things are way better than they were a few years ago.

>>603277991
I've heard Tijuana is considerably safer now, still wouldn't be so confident though

>>603272361
los zetas are ex comandos so go ahead an think that you re safe

>>603273743
Fucking sweet.

>>603278457
Better,mperhaps, but as this good Anon >>603278483
Says, I wouldn't be confident enough to get my life on it.

Eh, I'll just keep going to Europe for now.

>>603278693
we had many of those huge flasks in my school's lab (I am a chemical engineer), thos glass things cost a little fortune.

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>>603278798
They don't fuck about down there. Those dudes are totally ready for action.

>>603279002
*bet my life on it

>>603276847

Nah americunts will always be better at shooting each other

>>603279050
Yeah they do. That's the sign of a serious meth lab.

>>603279571
lol who needs real sights anyway?

>>603279329
I had a friend who worked in a clandestine methlab, thought he was lying but he showed me pics...motherfucker is working on a pharmaceutical company now

>>603278693
dope bong yo
mexicans sure know how to smoke

>>603274058
>>603274276
The legalization of weed in the U.S. has seriously hurt thier profits. They've started to up production to sell in Europe and in Mexico. This is going to be costly for the cartels. Also some are involved in illegal mining operations that sells to the Chinese. They're all involved in human trafficking. They are slowly phasing out drugs, because its becoming very difficult to move.

>>603280059
wouldnt mind that set up.

>>603280188
I had a friend who was a biker meth cook. He said that the longer you cook, the more the odds of something going wrong catch up with you. He quit when his lab blew up, burned down half his house and he just avoided going to prison.

>>603280435
I know a couple of guys who stole labware from our university to use it for smoking weed, fucking idiots, those things are expensive.

>>603272361
>3. do you think that the mexican drug war is winnable?

Yes. You send the whole of Fort Bragg down there and tell them, "You trained them. You clean this mess up. Or die trying."

>>603273618

They have narco subs too, so I heard.
Some even deploy drones to get the dope across the border.

>>603280587
I agree. CTs in particular are getting hit hard because of their exploitation of the mining industry. no one wants to invest if assholes like them make it difficult.

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>>603278693
>>603279050
>>603279329

Just curious, how much are you talking for something like that?

I mean... it's just chemically neutral glass.. right?

>>603275697
No one replied to this poster. This is the answer. Intelligence officials, and academics have concluded that the PRI losing its power caused the drug violence. They were in bed with the cartels for most of the 20th century. They extorted the cartels and told them to operate here and there. While keeping violence to a minimum. After 2000, they saw a new party who wanted to clean up the streets. And then in 2006, you saw what occur up to today. Its a power vacuum that's been there for over seven decades. It was compromised between cartels and government to avoid confrontation.

>>603280790
my friend's stuff was a bit more professional, still not breaking bad style though, but he does have a PhD in organic chemistry, and they hired him to teach some folks to cook meth in a lab installed inside one of the houses the government gives away at credit for workers (infonavit) in an abandoned neighborhood, he got them to pay him about 100K USD, and he never heard of them afterwards, then he got married and started working for a pharmaceutical company called Signa in the city of Toluca

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>>603275958
>i could take a while

Is there something you want to tell us, anon?

it gets worse the more America is strict on recreational drugs. You can't really stop people doing what they want to do

>>603272361
>1. how did the situation there get so bad?
The war on drugs
>2. how much do cartels influence politics there?
Money influences politics everywhere and always has. The war on drugs has guaranteed that the money will flow through organized crime and because of that, organized, drug related crime controls politics.
>3. do you think that the mexican drug war is winnable?
Yes. Simply by ceasing to fight the war and allowing anyone, anywhere to produce and sell things that people want to buy. The drug cartels will no longer be able to participate in this lucrative business when they have competition.

>>603274058
actually they did take some massive hits from the legalization of weed in many states, they have gotten very violent this last year because of it.

>>603281497
That's the way to do it. Just dip your toe in then walk away. Your friend had good character.

>>603281324
Yes, but is a very large amount of glass that has to be specially molded and structured to withstand heat.

>>603281324

It's expensive because most scientific glassware is still made by hand.

>>603274606
Not only that anon, but the synthetic "legal" copy cats of illegal drugs are worse than the ones originally deemed illegal.
Bath salts and sythetic cannaboids are fucking terrible in comparison to pot, coke and heroin

>>603281095
The Chinese are fucking ruthless. The cartels are afraid of them. If you fuck over the Chinese they sent out hit squads who are more trained then the Mexicans. But they don't want to invest in a country that's unstable. The Chinese often used the triads or tongs for their illegal investments.

>>603281324
no, it is about 5 to 10k just for that flask, its special glass made to be resistant to sudden temperature changes and chemical damage, and it is very thick, as these are used usually as reactors, in larger scale it is preferable to use steel vessels, a small system just for a simple reaction incluiding one of these, a heat exchanger and aditional instrumentation could cost close to 100k, a full lab requires many of these

>>603282083
>>603282142

Still didn't answer my question.

I travel to Venice a lot and basically fell in love with the glass blowing the moment I saw them. But all that stuff (even the most intricate stuff) I wouldn't consider a 'fortune'.

And yes, I realise that they are two completely different professions, but isn't glass just glass? Regardless of thickness.

>>603282547
Chinese involvement in Mexico mainly is as the number one supplier of percurser chemicals for making meth.

I sometimes find it hard to reconcile the actions of Los Zetas with the fact that they were founded by former commandos. It seems so contradictory. Guess it speaks volumes about the power of money.

>>603282976
no, this glass is made of a different composition, they use a special mixture that incluides boron salts and other aditives to make it possible for it to resist extreme conditions.

>>603282358
Those synthetic versions is what the Chinese organized crime is selling to the west. The Mexicans are producing and selling it as well, but I think its too expensive for them. The Chinese have more money than the cartels.

>>603277991

I mean, just don't make yourself a target and you will be fine. There is a danger but it doesn't mean you should stop going there for tourism.

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there were a couple of cases recently of drones full of meth coming out of mexico. anyone think these people would have drones w/o the help of our shitty govt?

>>603276551
I'd like to add anon, that the cartels had it easy during the Salinas, Zedillo and Fox administration. Not much was done and everyone was just comfortable looking the other way.

>>603275305
Please help me get out of this country.

Lurk bump cuz this shit is interesting

I find Mexico's cartel situation quite interesting but I don't really know much about it. I don't suppose any of you know a good book on it?

>>603283355

Aah, and I assume that unlike Venice it is done in a sterile, specialized environment?

>>603272361
>how did THERE situation

Stopped reading there.
Even if the topic is good, you can fuck it up by not being educated.

Still gonna read the rest of it though.
I hope you're not too stupid.

>>603283954
Those guys down there have entire cellular communications systems. You don't think they couldn't deploy drones?

>>603284084
The U.S. is going to start drone assassinations in Mexico.
>>603283209
They need chems from Mexico, and minerals.

>>603284589
>>603272361
LOL sorry matey I didn't read it right.

Am drunk as shit.

>>603272361
ask the CIA
they are the ones who funded the Cartels.

>>603284554
Start with Charles Bowden.

>>603284764
Get your head out of your ass

>>603282567

Cheers anon!

>>603284848
I shall, thank you.

>>603273519
Holy shit... That is kinda scary.

The situation in Mexico is really fucked up. I'm 20 and have been in 6 shootouts already, I had an uncle kidnapped and was almost kidnapped myseld. This place is really becoming an even bigger shithole do to these fucking people.

>>603284634
They hire guys with engineering and CS experience to build their cell networks. The problem is, the U.S. can listen to them. They're often poorly encrypted. Encryption is very expensive. Maintaining those sites are also expensive.

This whole situation is scary. I hate that I have to go back to live in mexico soon

>>603280698
It's a lucrative trade. I just wish fewer people were hurt every year.

damn powder gangers

>>603285394
whoops, should have just said fewer people were hurt

>>603285335
Oh yeah, the trick is to fix those guys to a certain location so the can be taken out. Hopefully one bust leads to another.

>>603284589
oh the irony

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>>603272361

Weak central government. No funding for local police. Young people that have no cause in life or jobs. An opportunity to make some money and live big. Corruption lies in the hearts of man, bro.

This is what the niggers fighting for. This is why people over here are chanting "fuck the police", even if they don't know it. You get rid of the government, and you'll replace it with a bunch of paranoid religious rednecks, criminal nigger scum, anarchists, or any other number of undesirable shitheads that you would never call a "leader".

And when the government is gone, there will quite the series of battles as the various groups fight for control. And who will get the nukes?

Movies like pic related are sowing the seeds of discord. Every half-assed "revolutionary" out there feels "muh oppression" breathing down their neck. Whether they were pulled over and given a ticket when they feel like they shouldn't have been, or their silk road was shut down and now their Buttcoins are worthless, whatever it may be, the government is absolutely evil as this movie has shown us. The government is represented by the old, evil White man Donald Sutherland of course.

>>603275958
>so i could take a while.
Don't dwadle! Lives are at stake!
We're counting on you Anon!

>>603282451
>>603282330
but those are not narcos, those are "autodefensas", people who got sick of waiting for the goverment to act and took justice in their own hands, they have been doing a lot more in just a couple of years than the goverment in 14

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>>603286447
Yes, i know. I'm putting up pics of all sides.

>>603286447
Yet there are still people who use them for their own corrupt shit.

>>603286685

that's hot

>>603286098
donald sutherland pissed me off in kellys heros. there were no fucking hippies in dubdub2

The Mexican Army might not have the same technology the U.S. has

but those guys are fighting everyday and you bet they're combat hardened

I have seen mexican soldiers storming drug houses

Those guys are 6'3'' in height, are strong as fuck and well equipped

They're scary

>>603284950
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/07/2012721152715628181.html


>In 2012 a spokesman for the Chihuahua state in Mexico, Guillermo Terrazas Villanueva told Aljazerra the CIA and other intelligence agencies manage the drug trade in Mexico.

http://www.businessinsider.com/dea-cartels-are-now-smuggling-us-weed-into-mexico-to-sell-2014-12

this shit is common knowledge.

>>603286685
sweet

>>603284557

Specialized yes, sterile no, there is no need for it.
the glassblower works from borosilicate tubes with his fixed oxy-fuel torch. for flasks that size, he will need a very expensive glassblowing lathe.

>>603286685
QTs :$

hopefully this whole thing ends soon so we can finally make videogames and movies about it.

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>>603272361
1.U.S. medelling
2. Murders,bribes and blackmail.just like the U.S.
3.was never meant to be winnable,it's purpose is to cause chaos and destruction to make the public more manageable and provide worker for the slave-prison industrial complex.

>Guns are illegal in Mexico.....

>>603272361

>Mexican fag here
1.- Have the same Party in the big chair for 73 years
2.- They pay the political campaigns in some states
3.- Nop, we are just killing each other for the "benefit" of usa

>>603284557
of course, this is industry grade material, not traditional craftsmanship

>>603284557
the company i know makes these is from france, so you should add the import costs

>>603286966
Whatever those guys are doing is absolutly minor league compared to the major players. Think about it, the roots of the CDG go all the way back to the 1930s. Go learn about this shit then come back.Anyone who folllows this stuff tracks capos, factions, and cartels like keeping track of sports teams.

>>603272361
>1. Poverty, shitty political system, along with the Cartel's willingness to use violence keeps people from doing anything.
>2. Either you do what they say or they kill you and all of your extended family, it's pretty good incentive to not crackdown on crime (especially their operations.)
>3. We need to give people incentive to not buy from the Cartels and we need to eliminate the hierarchy. After financial troubles and lack of leadership sets in, people will most likely disperse; rinse, wash, and repeat so that they don't just run to a larger cartel and are at best disorganized gangs.

>>603279458
if anyone is curios, the gun says
"I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees"

I would love to buy a couple guns, silencers, a lot of gear and ammunition, buy a house down there, and just fucking go vig on the cartels. Of course, all of this is if I had nothing left to live for. Cause I would be fucked murdered, with absolutely no military training of any sort. But what a way to go out. In a fucking blaze of glory. As long as you died, and weren't fucking captured and tortured.

>>603286685
Appreciate the pic dump.
especially this one

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Mexifag here, honestly I'm surprised that for the border city that in from has gotten a lot better since the early 2000's. If you were to walk or drive down the streets of Juarez you would see a fuck ton of military and SWAT vehicles roaming the street. Today, they have fixed streets and even though there still is crime, the number of soldiers have reduced. Can someone clarify me if I'm wrong?
>pic not related

>>603273743
Holy fuck, that's pant-shit scary

>>603288338

Odio Juarez, vivi ahi en mi niñez y era una mierda.
Si no fuera por el paso no pondria pie ahi otra vez.

captcha: meeco

>>603286098
>This is what the niggers fighting for. This is why people over here are chanting "fuck the police", even if they don't know it. You get rid of the government, and you'll replace it with a bunch of paranoid religious rednecks, criminal nigger scum, anarchists, or any other number of undesirable shitheads that you would never call a "leader".
This is why communism never worked. Its a system designed to empower those who are shithead criminals, psychos, religious whackos(yes I know commie and religion dont mix), and other useless fucks. At least religion is useful if applied correctly. Those extremist fucks are the issue. Religion is why we settle into society tens of thousands of years ago.

>>603274535
Oh fuck... they have kids, too?

>>603286685
They get captured, and their faith is a mass gangrape put on mommysite.

>>603276496
thats only about ~100k in twenties

>>603288281
you wouldn't do much, they would immediately find you and kill you, or worse, cartels are well connected and many operatives have full on military training, some even are ex- special forces

>>603288338
You are right. Sinaloa won the fight there. With El Viceroy getting busted i think it's probaly all over for those guys. Los Aztecas will probaly pick up from them in the future. Who knows what La Linea is going to do next?

>>603288675
yes, they use kids for recon and they also train them as assassins

>>603277991
>they have some very good brothe
>>603278457
>>603278483

Tijuana here, its all cool actually. just use common sense and DO NOT go to the suburbs.

>>603288875
10 mil was recently found in a condo in LA

>>603288901
Did you read my whole post? As badly worded as it was, I said that I would be fucked with no training, and I would only do it if I had nothing left to live for.

>>603288594
same here, it sucks to live there as a kid because I was constantly harassed being the neighbourhood white boy. So I moved to the states and visit family every few years.

i have some inside information about the cartels in mexico
bestgore is paying them to kill people so they can provide the webmasters with gore.

>>603276377
>Schutz IBCs

goddamnit i hate the sight of those fucking things

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>>603288284
Glad to share pics with the /b/ros!

>>603289364

really? I experienced a lot of bullying back then, and I went to a private school.

Seems like the culture in that place is just toxic.

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>>603289602
Narco pet

what does /k/ think about all those guns?
are they cringe or are they pretty cool?
I dont know shit about guns.

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>>603272361

mexico is shitty because: too much influence from communism from back in the day, pathetic victim mentality inferiority complex losing in every way to US both historically and in present, probably even embarrassed about being shittier than canada too, so blaming instead of growing some balls and carving out a positive national identity, completely unashamed of their shittiness- feeling bad about that shit is the first step

>>603289495
>implying cartels need internet pennies

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>>603289788
Depends. Some think it's cool if it is really decorated well.

Uncle is part of cartel. Shunned by all of my family. He runs a sector in Cuidad Guzman ( Jalisco ) where my mom is from. Trys to bribe the family into excepting his ways with money and gifts. The ones living over there have obviously fallen they don't have shit. My mom hates him. Last i saw him he was doing good and had lots of money. Sucks though everyone knows he will eventually die or get arrested.

My experience with cartels. As long as you don't do shit or say you're from the U.S you'll be fine unless your caught up with them. Or you know them personally then they kind of are like bodyguards in a way. Have met a couple just a bunch of average joes trying to make money in a shithole country.

>>603289788
>Needing other peoples opinion
You must be a women

>>603280837
currently stationed at fort bragg.
10/10 would do this,.

>>603289342
Joseph Gordon Levitt is part of the cartel?

>>603289777
more of the girl

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>>603289788
Personally I think gold plated or excessively engraved guns look tacky. But each to their own.

i bet latin america were better if weren't for the drugs.

shame.

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>>603290343
thats her

>>603277615
That fucking group. I know no narcotic cop did that shit.

>>603289930
Contrary to the idiom, not everybody remembers the Alamo

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>>603290133
Jalisco is getting pretty hairy lately

>>603290422
They're a bunch of spics, tacky is everything to them.

>>603290586
considering it is in a cop car, well no, probably some cartel hitman did it

>>603289134
los zetas calls them sicarios.

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the US DEA makes deals with then
money/guns for drugs

>>603290586
The mark of a very well trained sicario. Either military or federal police background.

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>>603288186
Thanks anon

>>603290752
Went last summer over there. Apparently there was word going around that they're finding a bunch of young teenagers - young adults missing internal organs. Some max payne shit going on over there. So i guess someones trying to make money on the black market.

>>603289364
I was born in the US and my dad was really white. Of course, I got into a bunch of fights and one day my uncles house was shot up :/

>>603272361
1. Murrica.
2.They literally run the newspapers. No free press.
3.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
OOH! HAHAHAHAH no. Nobody in history can win a war on drugs, weapons, or prostitution. It will just always be there.

>>603291334
both are cancer

1. The situation was always bad, just right now because of the internet everyone can easily share what happens in every city where drug cartels are the norm...
2. I dare to say that the cartels even run the country here,you just have to take a look on the recent events that happened in Iguala Guerrero where the mayor was tied to a cartel and was the one who ordered the kidnap of the students if that's the case then it would be surprise that other major people are involved with the drug cartels..
3. I don't think the war can be won,as long as this country is run by politics selling all of our resources to other countries, poverty and unemployment will be the number one factor that will make every people join the drug cartels...

2. I dare to say that the cartels even run the country here,you just have to take a look on the recent events that happened in Iguala Guerrer where the mayor was tied to a cartel and was the one who orderer the kidnapp of the students if that's the case then it would be surprise that other major people are involved with the cartels..

3. I don't think the war can be won,as long as this country is run by politics selling all of our resources to other countries, porverty and unemployment will be the number one factor that will make every people join the cartels...

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Everyone....Get this book or documentary called El Sicario (book) or El Sicario Room 164 (movie).

You'll find out a lot of how this all came to be right from someone who was there doing it.

>>603273012
nope you can't

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>>603291319
I heard something about that. guess i'll look more into it. Thanks for the tip.

They haven't faced the full power of the U.S., yet. Escobar got assassinated by CAG. They track him down, and then proceeded to give the location to the cops. They also revealed all of his hideouts and stashes. Drug cartels have no money to get sophisticated equipments. Shit runs into the hundreds of millions.

>>603291721
Thanks for the recommendation

>>603273519
>mg42
>g36
>m16a1
>usas 21
That is beautiful

>>603292098
Map is about five years out of date.

>>603291471
>Nobody in history can win a war on drugs

That has to be the most retarded sentence I've read this week.

Do you mean "nobody will ever win the war on drugs etc?"

If so, you don't know what the fuck will happen in 2000 years, you don't even know what the fuck will happen in 20. So go eat a fucking dick you retarded faggot.

Act like you know shit when you don't.

>>603291319
Organ harvesting is huge. I think its the Chinese who have the biggest market.

>>603292248
true, couldn't find a better one

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>>603291709
You don't know my race faggot, and this is how cartels and gansters make me feel

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>>603292248
found one

>>603290134
I dont pretend to know everything like you redditors/tumblrs do. its ok to ask for an opinion from people who are more knoledgeable than you.
I think they look cool but Im not into guns so yeah.
also go fuck yourself faggot.

>>603289777
the girl or the Tiger?
im guessing both

>>603292597
Juarez and Zetas are allies, fighting the Sinaloa and Gulf

>>603292346
Mexico's getting into that as well must pay a pretty penny. Also last time we were down there. We bought a couple fire arms. Bulgarian AK and a Springfield 1911. Firearms are easy to acquire and the pricing isn't that bad.

>>603292281
You can win, the war on drugs. The measure to beat it is considered a war crime. That is burn down all the fields. Scorch earth campaign. This how some countries beat drug gangs. Also heavily restricting chems.

>>603292373
Sinaloa has all of CAF territory, Villarreal's (La Barbie) organization splintered after he was locked up. CT's split from La Familia. cont.

For anyone looking for a good read on ISIS vs mexican cartels

>www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/10/there-are-groups-more-depraved--201410238520512942.html

Also if you really want to know the root of all evil look up
"En los albores de la industria heterodoxa subtitle: Manes de badiraguato" by Carlos Monsivais (spanish required). Talks about how in the 30's the US, looking for a supplier of drugs for the war, actually helped Mexico establish drug production/traffic among other things and basically, the whole time there's been a collusion to maintain drug traffic alive, that is why Mexico's corrupt government will never legalize marihuana and why USA will never really aid in the fight.

>>603292597
This map makes much more sense. Thank you.

>>603290573
god dam

Can someone make a new thread just in case this one gets 404'd?

>>603272361
mexifag here
1. mexico is the final point of drug transport to USA so its a hard situation
2. thats a little bit more complicated bcause yo see small towns complete controled by carteles, and in a national view all the atention its on the drug war (even when no goverment has done a real contribution to stop this) so this generates a deficiencie in all the other important topics
3.at this point definitely no.because al i explained in point 1. the only way is eradicating demand from nort america, so no.

Mexifag here
I'm so amuse to see a lot of yurops and americunts more interesting in this subject more than others mexifags and their stupids threats in 4chan.

If Mexico legalize drugs and make more jobs we can finish this shit and that stupid culture of "narco". Narco culture as stupid than "thug" culture

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>>603291521
um... the black people live in america. where guns are abundant. just because they arent posing with them, im sure there are equally powerful arsenals.

which brings me to my next point. they are both lowlife scumbags doin lowlife scumbag shit like selling drugs

white power

>>603293207
Yeah, i didnt notice that the last was like from the 1990s. Just garbed a random Photo on google

>>603291521
>>603291334
I would love for a group of gang members to try to have a war against a Mexican drug cartel.

>>603293039
>warcrimes

holy shit the US army vs the cartels? They'd be dead in 30 seconds.

>US intel has geographical locations of all cartel locations via internet and satellite

>US sends over bunker bomb to said sites

>War on drugs is over

But i'm betting cartels pay taxes to the US just like everyone else.

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I did it

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>>603293277
Yeah someone should get one going. I have enough pics to last all night. LOL!

>>603293665
>But i'm betting cartels pay taxes to the US just like everyone else.

that is exactly why US hasn't done shit

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>>603272361
1.Americans trained mexican soldiers to kill colombian drug cartel Pablo Escobar.
>American trained mexican soldiers figured it pays more to sell drugs than to work for the mexican armed forces.
2.100%
3. Only if they legalize all drugs in Mexico and completely stop Americans weapons sales to mexico.

Americans...sighs

check this video of cartel members kidnapping a rival member in broad daylight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCeoEj9LXFI