>>692933149

kung jew (krav maga) is generally regarded as the best civilian option for self defense.

If you cant find (or dont want to give money to the j00s) a krav maga place near you then you could look for muay thai

>>692933149

Fuck this faggot >>692933443

ninjutsu is your way to go op

>>692933149

For self defense

>Krav maga
>Silat
>authentic Systema
>Muay thai
>eskrima
>Japanese jiu jitsu
>Kung fu

For 1 on 1 combat

>MMA
>BJJ
>Combat sambo
>Wrestling

Absolutely worthless

>Taekwondo
>judo
>aikido
>any shit that relies on mysticism

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>>692933677

Ninjutsu isn't a martial art, dumbass.

>>692933861

I thought bjj was good for self defense?

>>692933961
Ninjutsu is a material art, faggot.

wrestling and boxing and kickboxing.
don't need any of the others, everything else can be overcome by good striking and good wrestling.

>>692934108
Not the anon you replied to, but BJJ puts you on the ground to get stomped on by niggers, which is most likely why he put it in the 1 on 1 category.

Taekwondo is a purely defensive art. You learn to get the optimal distance to hit without breaking your safety. Not complete on its own but that's a good start. Penchak is very complete too but too violent like the Krav Maga.

Taekwondo / Muay Thai + a grapple art is enough to defend yourself.

>>692933861
Wrestling good, judo bad? Taekwondo shit for self defense, kung fu good? Two questions : do you ever leave your basement, and which anime do you base your opinions on?

>>692934108

It's not. Any style that focuses on ground fighting is absolutely worthless for self defense and should be avoided. These styles are great for controlled, 1 on 1 fighting scenarios, but they should be avoided for more variable, street settings.

>>692934175

Ninjutsu is a group of several skills. One of them being melee combat (Taijutsu), ninjutsu itself is NOT a martial.

Its also almost impossible to find a real ninjutsu school. Most of them are fake (like the ones that lead you to believe that ninjutsu is a fighting style)

>>692934362

Read what I said above, wrestling is good for 1 on 1 fighting, it should not be used for self defense.

Kickboxing is okay but not ideal, you're much better off with muay thai.

Boxing is absolutely worthless for any sort of combat outside of boxing itself.

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>>692933149
If you want something effective (that does not require decades to get good), take anything where you'll get actual fighting experience at training. You learn faster when the punches are real. 6 months will give you real results.

Boxing, muay thai, full contact, BJJ...

Other martial arts where you don't do real combat, or with many rules like "no kicks under the waist, no punching the face", will require probably a few years to be "real world" effective (karate, aikido, taekwondo, kung fu...).

If you're ready to spend time and effort, and want to look long term, anything is good though (as long as you train hard and regularly, and keep in good shape).

>>692933149
Anyone in this thread that doesn't tell you you should learn bjj has very little idea what they are talking about.

If you don't think a fight will end up on the ground then good luck getting your ass beat on the ground when all of your striking arts are useless.

There's a reason every single mma fighter learns it without exception.

Carry a knife and prison rush

Learn how to focus your anger into the punches you throw

Martial arts will do nothing. People don't fight fair in the street, there is no honor. When someone fights you in the street they're out for blood.

Tl;dr

Carry a weapon, only a complete idiot wouldn't.

>>692934796

Go watch a judo tournament. Watch the highest, most prestigious judo tournament if you wish. Olympic stuff, black belts, the best of the best.

They still struggle a lot to even make a half assed throw.

Because judo is a martial art that becomes almost worthless when the enemy puts resistance.

I used to practice judo when I was 13, I was really afraid of being thrown, so I'd get all stiff whenever they'd grab me. The result? Nobody could throw me properly, not even black belts, and they'd scold me telling me "you have to put your part too to help your partner!".

In judo, it kinds of work because obviously you're not allowed to hit the other person, so you 2 just nab at each other until one is too weakened and you can pull one of those half assed throws.

But in a real self defense situation, the other person will be constantly hitting you while you struggle to throw them.

And kung fu is great if you learn real kung fu, not mcdojo shit.

Taekwondo has been completely watered down and it focuses on aesthetically pleasing kicks which are completely inneffective in real life, like high kicks, or 540 kicks.

Go look up videos of taekwondo guys getting grabbed mid air because of their fancy kicks

>>692934817
oh shit, we got an autist here. i agreed with you and you still felt the need to correct me somehow.
*claps*
bravo, man, bra-fucking-vo. you are clearly the intelligent all-sayer here, you may have the stage.
>muaythai literally is kickboxing
such strong autism levels, lmao.

>>692935149
>If you don't think a fight will end up on the ground then good luck getting your ass beat on the ground when all of your striking arts are useless.
While this is true for a school or brawl type fight, anything that is one on one, if you ever end up against several people, and you take one to the ground, the other ones will curb stomp you (that is why most martial arts that derive from stuff they used to teach soldiers in older times use little to no ground combat : you don't want to be on the ground when there are hostile people around with spears or swords).

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>>692935211
>Go look up videos of taekwondo guys getting grabbed mid air because of their fancy kicks
Thanks anon, Im sure many keks will be had from this.

>>692933149

tai chi chuang yang style

>>692933961

he's actually sort of right

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>>692933861
You forgot MCMAP for the useless list

>>692935149

You're an idiot. If you go with BJJ during a mugging, you're going to have your head transformed into a football, thats why experts constantly tell you to avoid ground fighting.

Will fights end up in the ground? If you dont know how to fight, they will. And the ground is a precarious position to be in a real fight. Complete self defense systems like krav maga, systema and silat will teach you how to get out of ground fighting easily and fast.

Im looking for a video of a guy getting knocked the fuck out by an old lady who kicked him in the head while he was applying that fancy bjj to his street fight opponent.

and MMA fighters are ATHLETES, mma is a SPORT full of rules.

You cant grab hands in MMA, 'nuff said, its not self defense.

>>692935191

Self defense systems have that mindset so they do work for those situations.

>>692935211
>implying teakwondo is all about high kicks

Kungfu, specifically wushu. Muay tai or kick boxxing for me immediate results. But like anons have already said, the best thing you can do is just train your body and actually spar with someone, the more you fight , the more you natural instincts will grow in reading body movements and the ability to actually take a punch or multiple punches and shrug them off.

What about bajiquan?

>>692933149
Boxing, there is no better option for actual real life self defense. Anyone who says different has never been in a real life situation where they have had to defend themselves

>>692935191

Just talking about punching (boxing) can you explain what you mean by focusing anger behind the punching and how that affects it?

>>692935730
>Self defense systems have that mindset

Unless you're Bruce lee or Jackie Chan, anyone's bet when a knife is pulled to just give them what they want and walk away

When someone has something that if it goes even a couple inches into your stomach could kill you, you don't fucking try to disarm them, ever.

You fucking kids have no street smarts. If anything learn to box just so you know how to swing, but if a weapon is ever pulled just give them what they want.

"But what if they attack me first!"

They won't. Unless they're a meth head, but if you're in that situation you obviously have made poor decisions. People with weapons want to scare you. But a lot of them will make clumsy mistakes end up killing someone by just doing a stabbing motion when someone comes close and the "fighter" gets slow rolled.

Martial arts is for competition and a hobby, not real life fighting.

>>692935903
This, also remember op, sometimes the best option is to run, the real world has no safety precautions, and real attackers will kill you by any means neccesary, its better to excape with your life then die trying be a dumbass "alpha" trying to act like an action hero.

>>692935276

Never said it was the same at kickboxing. Its just generally more effective.

>>692935460

A good article on this https://whitedragondojang.wordpress.com/2014/04/06/flashy-spinning-flying-air-kicks-and-their-ineffectiveness-for-real-fighting/

>>692935967

Boxing is absolutely worthless for real life fighting.

>Mentalized to not use your legs
>Mentalized to dodge punches by simply moving your core
>Absolutely no situational awareness training
>absolutely no response to grapples
>absolutely no response to tackles/takedowns or ground fighting.

>>692936200

I agree with you that the best option when a weapon is pulled is to run away. But you should totally know what to do if things go south.

I dont know about your place, but in my country, plenty of thugs will stab you just for the sake of it, even if you do give them your stuff. You should learn how to defend yourself.

I've, personally, seen good results with krav maga, but its the only thing I've ever trained. I trust in my instructor because he's a former tactical cop and military instructor.

>>692935211
You're retarded, sorry boi, you obviously haven't been trow by a real judo guy, I challenge to go to a real academy, and say you can't be trow by any of the guys there

>>692934817
>Boxing is absolutely worthless for any sort of combat outside of boxing itself.

Please stop making an utter fool out of yourself.

>>692936195
>>692936195
If youre one on one and there's no weapons you need to tap into your primal rage. We all have it, it's fight or flight. When you focus your anger into your blows, the adrenaline in your body gives you much more strength, and you resist pain more.

You gotta let it go, just completely stop using reason and intelligence and just become an animal. But only do it when you're in a fight that could get you killed, because usually people cant stop until they're pulled off of the person

>>692936230
Yeah, the fancy kicks kinda remind of how hema Experts ( Historical sword trainers) have proven that all the fancy sword swings and twerling we see in movies/shows/games are easily trumped by a simple thrust.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWjJDh87SE

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>>692933961
Explain this documentary then.

>>692936200
>This
The only solid self defense technique is getting into fights. Even then you have no clue how skilled a fighter the guy robbing you is or if his buddies are lurking nearby. First rule of any fight involving a knife is you are going to get cut. I'd rather get mugged and cancel my bank cards immediately after than risk getting killed over a simple mugger.

>>692935109
Karate and taekwondo could be somewhat effective, but only if you train full contact and in a good dojo with decent isntructors and a lot of sparring.

Aikido and kungfu are an ABSOLUTE MEME.

t. fag who trained in all four of them

>>692933149
If they have a gun just let it happen
If they have a knife escape if you can
If you don't know try to escape
If you can't escape aim for neck balls eyes, etc.

>>692936575

I love skallagrim

>>692936667

Which kung fu style did you trained? Because people say "kung fu" and they fail to realize that kung fu has several schools. Like karate actually.

I've seen military instructors kicking ass with kung fu, dont know which style is, but I know its kung fu.

>>692933149
>asking for bestest marshiul awts advice on /b/
>asking for advice on /b/
>asking /b/

Breddy gud! :D

>>692936450
Maybe in a southern Asian country or south American countries i can see that, but all these people in this thread are white 15 year olds thinking they can impress girls by showing off flashy moves and they can be action heroes.

You're a different breed, but if you're telling the truth your main concern shouldn't be defending yourself, it should be getting out of that environment.
>>692936608
This nigga gets it.

Fucking don't bother fighting muggers man. They could be legit fucking crazy. Unless you're in a well populated place in day light where you could get to the cops quick after right hooking a thief, just fucking give him your shit.

>>692935211
>I used to practice judo when I was 13, I was really afraid of being thrown, so I'd get all stiff whenever they'd grab me. The result? Nobody could throw me properly, not even black belts, and they'd scold me telling me "you have to put your part too to help your partner!".
While this is true, just because someone learned judo for years don't mean they can't throw a punch. Someone who comes at you for real (with momentum) won't go "stiff". And if they do, it means they're not moving (which makes it easy to hit them).

If you think that just because you learned a martial art, all you're ever allowed to do even in a real fight is to use "tournament legal" techniques, then yes most martial arts are shit.

Even MMA. They don't prepare your for punches to the back of the neck, because they're illegal since they're very dangerous. But these are the ones you want to be watching for in a real situation.

>>692936485

Fuck off and try to prove me wrong.

A boxer does not knows how to kick (Legs are much more stronger than arms and have longer reach). He doesn't know what to do when he gets tackled/grabbed and he is certainly fucked if he goes to the ground.

Oh and he cant defend from attacks from the back.

Boxing is a SPORT where things work because each side is severely handicapped.

Real fights are not 2 men in front of each other just moving their arms. Its 2 or more men frantically moving and getting into kissing distance while grabbing each other's necks. Theres absolutely NOTHING a boxer can do there.

>>692935361
If there are many people seriously wanting to fight you, you ltierally got two options:

>fucking run as fast as you can
>KO their alpha (the one who talks the most) with a single sucker punch

If you have multiple people against you with even no more than a single one of them having ANY fighting experience whatsoever, run your fucking ass off. The only scenario where you could effectively oppose and defeat multiple people is if you're very, very experienced at a COMBAT SPORT (not meme arts) and they aren't.

>>692936955
>so I'd get all stiff whenever they'd grab me

Stiff people are much easier to throw.

Shows how shit your instructors were.

>>692936496

Nope you got that wrong about striking, adreneline it only helps with pain and speed.

To hit hard you need to push your fists, not throw them.

Imagine your fists as heavy shotputs instead of tennis balls. Use your body as you would if you were throwing a shotput in the direction you wish to send it to. And for max power upon landing, ideally about two inches short of straightening your arms for a straight punch. For hook, fist needs to travel slightly faster than your torso is turning.

Anger/ardrenaline only works for short period of time and not for probper control.

Anyway, I would agree with the others that you need to be more than one dimensional than boxing cos there is no rules, so gotta be able to use what you have such as knees, elbows and an ability to grapple and so on.

>>692937153
>Stiff people are much easier to throw

Being this delusional

>>692936944

I cant, no money, i'm stuck here. Its why I decided to learn krav maga and bought a gun. I honestly feel safe just with the KM. They haven't tried to mug me yet, but some of my friends from the academy already had knives pulled on them and they all went home without cuts or just minor scratches

>>692936955

Ehh actually its been shown that these people fight in controlled enviroments for so long that when shit hits the fan their brains are conditioned into believing they're on one of these controlled enviroments, and they follow the rule of their sport.

I dont know much about judo but I dont think it would be easy to throw someone who is running frantically at you and who grabs you and twists you around

>>692936874
Kung fu has no styles, because it's not a martial art.

Kung fu is used only by idiots who fail too understand what that phrase means. For example, cooking can be described aboslutely correctly as "kung fu", and in this regard, Gordon Ramsey's kung fu is strong.

When used in a martial arts aspect, kug u literally means any or all fighting styles originating in China.

You're a fucking retard and know not what you're talking about.

>>692937270

What's easier to throw, a rock or water?

>>692937046
Thank you for proving that you know absolutely nothing about fighting.

I'd bet a month's pay that you're fat.

I've done martial arts for about 13 years and have been in a couple (drunken) fights, but none of them were real enough to matter. I wouldn't really lean on martial arts in a fight, to be honest.

The best way to survive fights is not to have them, but knowing what to do is never a bad thing. getting into a physical altercation is your last resort to protect yourself or the ones you love. I'd rather feel like a bitch than die or be permanently injured over something stupid. My family needs me more than I need my pride at this point in my life.

I've studied TaeKwonDo, Muay Thai, Judo, and some minimal Krav Maga, Jiu Jitsu, and Muay Boran. I don't think any of them would really save my ass in a fight. I would grab whatever is near me and use it to harm whoever is attacking me. THAT is effective. If there's nothing there, then... it's kill or be killed. I guess I'll be really tested if that ever happened. I don't really know if any amount of classroom learning and sparring prepared me for a straight up dirty fight where I had to worry about my eyes, my balls, and other people jumping in.

>>692937423
Are we talking 'bout a heavy rock?

>>692937153

>people who are basically becoming deadweight are easier to throw.

In which universe?

>>692936667
Also trained in all of these. Since I was a kid (and I'm in my 30s). Some boxing on the side. And I've met people in aikido I wouldn't fuck with. Just avoid any teacher who goes too much in the spiritual aspect of things. If you've seen for instance aikido done by the japanese, you know the difference with a local McDojo where some dude tells you about being in harmony with the universe. Some of the original japanese instructors (all or mostly dead now) were military instructors during WW2 for the japanese army. These guys, and their direct disciples, do not fuck around.

With all that said, I'd still tell someone who wanted to get good fast to take boxing. The fundamentals are way faster to grasp than more complex martial arts (where you sometimes need years to get a technique to a point where it's "useable"), and you get into realistic situations very early on (plus you know what a real punch feels like, even if there are gloves, it's not like styles where you learn to just touch your opponent to score points). 6 months of boxing will make you kind of effective. 6 months of most japanese martial arts will have you confused.

Krav Maga above all else.

you need to be fast, use fists and legs, avoid lying on the ground and wrestling if possible, handle multiple people at once in an enclosed setting, do real damage

Krav Maga checks those boxes

>>692936496
Sounds like a good way to get knocked out because you were too busy swinging like a retard to see this dudes straight right counter coming straight for your lips

>>692937474

But he's right. Just tell me what is a boxer supposed to do when someone charges at him like a bull covering his head?

>>692937481

Krav maga teaches you to take those objects away from the opponent's hands though.

>>692937365
>Ehh actually its been shown that these people fight in controlled enviroments for so long that when shit hits the fan their brains are conditioned into believing they're on one of these controlled enviroments, and they follow the rule of their sport.
I know people who are competitors in judo (trained in only that because they were athletes). And in fights (nothing life of death, more like bar brawls) I've never seen one of them no end up winning. They have incredible physique, good reflexes, and the fact that they compete in a controlled way doesn't mean they're complete retards who will follow the rules in a real situation. Try to train (seriously, like more than 6 months) in any martial art, you'll see it's not like you become a robot who can only obey the rules. Your brain can tell the difference between competition (where you warm up, wear your specific attire, get your named called, salute your opponent...) and someone attacking you. Unless you're retarded but that's another story (in that case you should rely on your retard strenght).

>>692937497
>>692937520

Someone stronger than you will come along and tip you over.

No matter how strong someone is they can't tip over water.

UFC/MMA stuff, or tell a teacher so you dont go to jail

>>692937046
Most people don't know how to fight other than to throw punches though, so in that respect boxers have a good advantage on the street but if you were to put a boxer up againsts a kickboxer, I can tell you right now the boxer wouldn't even know what hit him

>>692937797

If they get preparation, of course.

If they're attacked all of a sudden, they will most likely revert to their arena-selves

Its very common with MMA fighters who in real fights refuse to grab an opponent's wrists

>>692936496
>just become an animal

Does it involves roar like a Tiger?

>>692937888

Yeah, because of strength, not because of their j00do l33t skills.

>>692937934

Thats exactly the point.


And I dont know if you've been on a streetfight but people usually kick first, shitty kicks but they kick.

>>692933861
Clearly someone who has never fought before on the streets to say any of these martial arts is affective and which one isn't.

>>692937776

Yeah I wish I could say I knew more about Krav Maga but the guy I was learning from was a real chest-beating faggot so I decided to try it out another time.

I don't really know much about disarms but if I was unarmed, and somebody pulled a knife on me, I'm finding some kind of weapon or hauling ass.

In my 20s I maybe would stand my ground, but nowdays in my 30s, nahhhh.

Depends who's watching though, haha.

>>692937522
That is true by the most part. However, you're just trying too spin things around.

How is referring to few top-level aikidokas representative for all aikido practicioners worldwide. I'll tell you what: the average guy who boxed in an average gym for 6 months would absolutely decimate the average guy who trained aikido at the average dojo. I bet my life and soul on that statement.

Besides, none of the guys who teach army-like structures is a full fledged martial artist in a snigle art as it is. Most of them are people with shady past and a decade long fighting career - competetitive or otherwise and are well versed in mutliple styles.

>>692937912
MMA is a meme
https://youtu.be/VyllQuQuHZE

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>>692934796
Rekt

>>692937776
>someone charges at him like a bull covering his head

Aaaaah, we're talking about anime? Sorry, I thought we were discussing real life here.

>>692937888
I feel how the Chi flows from your argument through your trips. That's incredible, anon.

>>692938149

Krav maga is a really complete system. Its usually memed upon because of the whole jew thing but its actually pretty good.

Thats even the philosophy, of course. People who dont know about it think its either just throwing punches like a retard or just making disarms. The biggest part about KM is situational awareness.

They teach you to scan areas for possible escape routes, weapons and dangerous objects. Your first option if possible should be running, if not, then you should get a weapon, and if you cant, then you just fight where you stand.

>>692937979
>If they're attacked all of a sudden, they will most likely revert to their arena-selves
The difference is, the guys attacking will usually not be athletes too, or trained assassins. And I've never seen a judoka hesitate to throw a punch in a real situation. The only time it would matter is if a guy who had taken 15 years of krav maga went to fight someone who took 15 years of judo, all things being equal (strenght, speed and reflexes wise).

And that situation won't happen : you won't get mugged by actual ninjas who kill people daily.

Just pick a martial art you like (makes it easier to keep training) and train as hard as you can, all your life if possible. Even if some technique you know might not be the best in situation X against opponent Y, you'll be good 99% of the time because you'll know how to do stuff and be confident in it.

Now if you want to become a master, and go on challenging masters of other styles, like in a fucking anime of kung fu movie, picking a "style" will be a more important step.

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>>692938215

>The idiot who willingly got right in the middle of 2 attackers

And people still insist MMA works in real life

Karate my friend.

Karate

>>692938348
Coworker used to work at Black Dolphin, he knows KM. When I first met him he managed to get my knife out of my pocket without me noticing. Didn't catch on till he started twirling it between his fingers.

Aikido I actually the best for self-defense. You can use it against trained and not trained people. But the autists here don't get the real meaning of aikido...

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>>692933961

Faggot detected.

The best martial art that doesn't require you to learn anything and really effective is called "avoid a fight". And if you can't avoid the growing tension that leads to fight, then the best option for you to learn is called " run the fuck off". In that way, not only you've survivethe fight, you've also avoided it

>>692938266

Do you honestly expect taekwondo, a style which has been watered down for decades and which is thaught to kindergarden kids to be effective in real life?

Taekwondo focuses on flashy moves, mostly kicks. As any person with half a brain knows: flashy moves dont work in real life

>>692938276

Thank you for confirming you're just baiting, I wont reply to you anymore, dont worry.

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>>692935211
>go watch a judo tournament, olympic stuff
>they still struggle a lot to even make a half assed throw

are you comparing olympic athletes to some random guy on the street?
believe me even if you got stiff someone at a black belt level would throw you easily. Google kuzushi you idiot

>>692933149
Be like Bruce and do jeet kun do

>>692938348

The way you explain it is great. I might give it another shot.

I had a general idea about it but I think finding a good teacher is key. Like a lot of martial arts there's so much circlejerking going around, I feel like a lot of schools I see these days are like crossfit gyms, if that makes any sense.

>>692938094
>Yeah, because of strength, not because of their j00do l33t skills.

If they had any skills they wouldn't need much strength.

If strength is all the matters why do martial arts and not just go to the gym more? Someone stronger will just come along and fuck you up.

>>692938215

Those ground sweeps are godly

>>692938172
>How is referring to few top-level aikidokas representative for all aikido practicioners worldwide. I'll tell you what: the average guy who boxed in an average gym for 6 months would absolutely decimate the average guy who trained aikido at the average dojo. I bet my life and soul on that statement.

I still maintain you should compare martial arts by comparing people with the same level of involvement and physical ability. Who care if maybe some grandmas can train in the same "style" you do, as long as you don't train like them.

But I totally agree with your statement. Boxing is the safest bet for someone who does not want to spend years, or be careful where they train.

I still advise 15yo obese summerfags to take boxing because it's not hard to understand even if you're a retard, not many complicated names to get (as in the asian martial arts), and you know quickly if you're fucking up (you get punched in the face). Even if you're in the worst boxing gym ever, you'll learn real world useful stuff.

>>692938726
You can't avoid all fights. Sometimes other people need defending.

>>692933149
OP, there is no best. Systema/Russian Martial Art is very practical. One of the only styles to practice against multiple opponents, and includes weapons, clothing use, etc, plus interior work and so on.

Other than that, lots of kali/escrima drills. Boxing is useful, if you keep your head up and don't slouch. Wrestling/judo is good, too, but in self-defense, you can't roll around on the ground. Someone will kick or smash your head in.

>>692938655
Well there are no aikido competitions on TV, and no anime about it, plus Steven Seagal is now a fatass who can't make a popular movie : must be shit.

Funny thing is when Seagall was making popular movies, places like /b/ would have been all over aikido.

>>692939003

Im comparing the fact that even top level judokas struggle throwing each other when the other puts resistance.

By resistance I mean both getting stiff and simply moving around

>>692933149
Im a former professional fighter now coach. Been training since i was 4 (26 years already) ive learned a wide array or disciplines. Any actual combat sports can help you greatly in self defense. But if you want martial arts that are designed to handicap your oponent in the fastest way possible then krav maga would be your top choice. American military selfdefense system is pretty good too, sambo and muaythai are very effective aswell

>>692939204
Meanwhile every vet has a story of a boot who fucks around practing the eyegouge and causes a fucking safety stand down.

>>692933149
All of them. Not joking.

>>692933861
You are wrong for so many reasons.

>>692938737
Dude, you're the clown who is laughed upon by literally everyone in this thread. I've trained muay thai, boxing, kickboxing, as well as meme shit such as karate (shotokan, kyokoshin, goju ryu), aikido, taekwondo and a bit of tai chi chuan. I'm calling them meme shit for a reason and the reason is that the average clown training them is a clueless weeaboo faggot such as yourself. Aikidokas specifically are mostly people who were never punched properly with full force in their life.

Charging like a bull covering his head? I sure as hell hope you're not fucking serious. If you are, apparently you're the same laughing stock in real life as you're in here. At least your fierceness here proves that you're too scared and socially inadequate to hold such a discussion with actual people face to face.

>>692934108
Only when 1 on 1.

>>692938737
>a style which has been watered down for decades and which is thaught to kindergarden kids to be effective in real life?
Yes because someone with good taekwondo training will kick or punch most people before they have time to react. "Real life" doesn't mean fighting other trained people. Unless you're going to war or (and then hand to hand shouldn't be a priority).

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Jiu Jitsu and wrestling tend to be the best for self defence, BJJ is good vs bigger guys too. Muay Thai is the best striking martial art to practice.

>>692935054
Fuck you nigga

>>692939402
because top level judokas know judo and they know how to defend, any random guy with no judo experience would get thrown before he can even get stiff

Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu. Anyone who says otherwise is a complete fucking geek who knows nothing

>>692933149
boxing. hands down the best

only 2 tools, meaning you wont spend ages learning how to do flashy kicks and whatnot.
lets you perfect the basics rather than half ass a dozen or so different moves.

you spend the rest of the time looking for openings, learning feints, and getting better at hitting from awkward angles.

its all well and good learning kicks and whatnot, but for self defense hands are more useful.

im against the grappling thing because you might be on concrete, or bystanders may jump you. plus you cant run away if shit goes south if you grappling.

its not the flashiest, nor does it cover all possibilities, but it gets the job done.

that being said, if you have either boxing or MT in the area, go with the gym with the better trainers.

Martial artist of over two decades. Never mastered the schools Ive trained in, but have the belief that being a "jack-of-all-trades" has great practical application. Ive studied

>Goju ryu (okinawan karate)

>Shaolin chuan fa (warrior monk kung fu)

>Dabbled with taekwondo long enough to realize its not the most aplicable (though does teach some okay defensive moves)

>Capoeira (also long enough to realize its not very applicable, but great for unexperienced opponents)

>Wrestling, was varsity in HS and wrestled in the 215 weight class despite only weighing 175. Sucked getting crushed time to time but speed and lankyness usually worked to my advantage.

>Now im getting into Krav Maga and realizing it has the most potential practicality out of all the styles ive trained in. There is no honor, only defeating your opponent.

>>692939416
fighter in what discipline?

record?

>>692939402
>>692939724
my ex girlfriend was a black belt in judo.
at the top tiers of national amateur competition, its still just weight > skill.
its in the international realm that skill matters more, and that's for the crowd of professional athletes.

even then the rules favour grappling, rules which dont exist in a streetfight.
the GI being the most obvious example.
others are the fact you cant hit the other guy, or blind him, or go for nutshots

>>692939882
>shit
>shit, unless you train like a real shaolin monk
>yep, its shit
>shit, unless you happen to like real dancing
>not bad
>meh....
krav maga is like having a complete screwdriver set with a bunch of really dull screwheads.
as you practice they get less dull.
but its still useless if you try to use a crosshead on a slot screw.

sure you may take it to heart and train hard, but at the end of the day you can only cover so many possibilities. and by the time you learn the last ones, the first few would have dulled again.

i was in your position once. did wing chun for a full 2 years before i took what i could from it and abandoned ship.

protip: if it has full contact, full strength sparring, do it.
even if the techniques are shit, the brute physical strength is enough.
Most people out there dont know how to move their bodies to generate force well.
especially liftbros. even if they look bigger than you, as long as you know how to throw a good punch, you win.

Boxing
Muay Thai
Judo
Wrestling
Sambo

Literally the best options. Choose.

Personally I box and have started judo to get some grappling skills.

Realistically:

MMA
Boxing
Kickboxing/Muay Tai
Krav Maga
Wrestling/BJJ

The rest are pretty much worthless outside of a classroom. Maybe kendo/fencing if you're lucky enough to have a decent sized stick to hand in advance.

Taekwondo/Sambo is middling. The kicks can be savage but who the fuck can kick properly when they are wearing jeans?

>>692933149
I've only practiced eskrima and judo, but im a fat fuck so all asian martial arts that require a lot of flexibility for some sick air combo or shit like this are useless to me. I like eskrima because it combines a lot of stuff (one weapon, two weapons, two-handed weapons, knife boxing, grappling, ground combat etc.) so its applicable in many situations. And you dont get all the meditation and spititual stuff that are part of classic kungfu for example. You just learn to break your opponents in the easiest and most reliable way possible. Plus you get to fight with a lot of different weapons, which is useless in a street fight but is fun during practice.

>>692939728
>Anyone who says otherwise is a complete fucking geek who knows nothing

Alright anons, you've heard him. Abandon thread. The master has spoken.

What about HEMA? Or Escrima? If I carry a stick or cane or something.

A well vetted street fighter, will typically rek someone of a discipline, there are rules in most. Find one that conditions the body hard. Muay Thai is a fine example. Headbutts start at the hip and end at the shoulders, keep you neck straight. Learn some form of grappling, about 50% of all one on one fights end on the ground. You won't need much, mostly learn to counter grabs. Sprawl, learn to sprawl. Most important, grip strength, and speed. Power is nice, but a fast punch to the throat drops most of the most powerful. do not fight to win, fight to kill. Self defense is much more convincing if you are the only witness, any fighter knows the first punch can kill anyway. This path WILL leave your body broken, your legs will feel like their sixty when you are 34, your hands will become mangled and hard and hurt when you game. I wouldn't change anything. Good luck, and welcome to the way.

>>692940596
12-1-4 in kickboxing (semi pro k1 style)
42-8-55 in muaythai
4-0-3 MMA
1 silver medal at copa di malaysia bjj blue belt no gi
Bronze medal at asia open bjj for purple belt no gi
2 bronze medals at asean games for freestyle and greco roman wrestling.

>>692940635
>MMA

>Realistically

pick 1

>>692941026
nice.
why did you quit? too old?

>>692938655
Aikido can't control opponents properly.

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>>692933149

Get a fucking gun, you goddamn pussy ass faggot bitch.

It's 2016, you fucking cuck.

"Can't take guns everywhere."

Are you fucking stupid?

You can't argue that point when there's been mass shootings in schools, churches, libraries, movie theaters.

Holy fuck, I hope you get shot.

>>692941227
you must be fun at partys...

>>692941227
Thinks guns and being tough are the same thing kek

I did martial arts for about 15 years, ill say this
>high defense tier
Krav maga (duh), any kickboxing or boxing style (mainly for the striking instructions) but the asian-er the better so skip kickboxing or glove slapping and move straight to muay thai, good kung fu can teach fucking awesome crowd control techniques for like bar fights but the vast majority is pure *mantis style defeats crane style* bullshit. MMA is generally great for learning how to fight one on one, but dont go out into the street trying to grapple people to the ground, and of course judo is awesome for teaching spacing and how not to get hit. Pretty much each martial art has its own merit, but if you wanna learn how to defend yourself id say krav maga, muay thai, BJJ (just in case you get to the ground) and judo for throwing and spacing

>>692941152
Yep. Too old to recover fast enough. Also fighting is an expensive hobby and it doesnt pay the bills

>>692941066

You know how MMA works right? It's just a mix of core striking/grappling techniques taken from other martial arts.

A bit of boxing, bit of BJJ, bit of wrestling, bit of kickboxing. All of which are applicable, nothing fancy, just efficient striking and grappling skills. Granted a fucking armbar may as well be as helpful as a sponge screwdriver but the core components are solid. Also it's full contact with low weight gloves - about as close as you're going to get to being hit bare knuckle.

>>692941227

Better yet, he should take up gun-fu.

>quenolosdos.gif

John Woo and Chow yun fat seem like they know whats up.

>>692941587
Under ground pays more, but hurts more to. Bare knuckle can bring in heavy money even in low rank, the fights and fighters don't last long, and fighter shelf life is cut down to about a quarter, but good money while it lasts.

>>692941587
expensive? how so?
surely you could make decent money in professional?

by recover do you mean between fights? or endurance wise?

>>692941906
He means the body breaks

Ok so my turn:
8 years of Taekwondo there plus some judo and viet vo dao.
Competitivw tkd is indeed worthless in real life combat, but if you attend the right school like i believe i did, the they can put emphasis on moves to use in real situation.
The flashy moves and the poomsae (katas for tkd) and the cardio helps to build stamina and make sure your joints are well prepared.
My master was European champion and was traning cops as a side job.
Ho shin sool is korean self defense and taught alongside with tkd, again if youre lucky (even learned how 5o use a tonfa) .
I remember long sessions of fights with only punches, front kicks , push kicks and parry just so it becomes automatic (the whole Bruce Lee thing of "i dont fear someone who practiced 1000moves but someone who practiced 1 move a 1000 times").
Picking the RIGHT school makes all the difference.
Believe me, shit master = shit students.
Ultimately, the best way is to avoid any fight but knowing that you can defend yourself can build the necessary confidence to deter assholes.

Used to practice capoeira. Wouldn't say it's good for defense but it's surely fun

>>692933149
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is shit in most real world situations. Japanese Ju-Jitsu is a lot more practical since you don't generally end up on your back on purpose.

>>692942196
This. No pussy ass tap out shit. Trained to break off and take the new arm home with me.

>>692933149
3rd degree black belt here in TaeKwonDo.

TaeKwonDo and Muay Thai are the two most dangerous/usable and accessable to a Western populace, and sometimes TKD instructors use elements of BJJ and other martial arts.

Anybody who says otherwise is stupid as it's been proven that those two are superior to, say, Jurate.

>>692942390
Correction to my post: BJJ is on the same level as those two.

>>692942390
>implying TKD is on par with MT

>because instead of standing on 2 points of balance, its better to stand on one

MT at least has hands and train at all ranges

>>692941906
Not in south east asia unfortunately.

>>692942360
Nice, how long have you been training for?

>>692941906
I mean now my injuries take months to heal and they dont heal fully. Due to many recurring injuries and self medicating

>>692942390
Almost right. Tkd being a good starting point. Muay Thai on the otherhand, some of the most intense fighting I have ever enjoyed. Tkd is nothing to shake your dick at, but the most effective form isn't taught in the states. At least not when I was young. Korean special forces still employ it

>>692942015
>Shit master=shit students

Amen. I know of many 'masters' that just teach not only the incorrect way to do things, but also how to basically be a pussy.

My Master was taught himself by an old Korean veteran and the way he trains is pretty much the same. Hit wood to condition yourself, don't be afraid to belt someone who can't pull off a defensive technique fast enough....fuck, the tests to get up to Black Belt stull give me nightmares.....they go for an entire day and you literally can't move unsupported for almost a week afterwards.

>>692942719
Many forms since I was nine. Stopped about nine years ago. I just train close friends now.

>>692943060
Are u 18 now?

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>>692933149
I used to practice Kendo for a few years

>>692942544
>MT at leats has hands and train at all ranges

You clearly know fuck all about Martial Arts then if you think that a)MT is superior to TKD and b) TKD doesn't use hands/different ranges or teach balance on more than one leg as well.

Shut up before you embarass yourself even more.

>>692942983
This! Kek my ribs still hurt when I think of my masters

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>>692934817

>These styles are great for controlled, 1 on 1 fighting scenarios

>These styles are great for controlled

> for controlled

you've never been in a fight have you?

>>692943202
The way is always good

>>692943060
Cool, where abouts are you coming from? I'm British and the whole martial arts scene hasn't really taken off as much as it has in the US.

>>692933149
I'm a fully trained box kicker

For anyone suggesting any sort of Asian martial art beyond Muay Thai. Come back to the real world. Real fights don't work like that. They are over in a few seconds usually after 1 or two hits and it's very rare both parties know they are fighting. I've spent a combined 13 years in various western martial arts (boxing, kickboxing, BJJ, MMA) and in all honesty absolutely fuck all has been useful most of the time.

I had a shitty time growing up and used to fight a lot (hence why I practiced as a hobby). Older and calmer now but here's an example of the last 5 fights I had that I can remember:

1 - 6'8" Bodybuilder picked me up by my neck and smashed my head into a wall. Out cold and nearly kills me. Fight time: approx 15s

2 - Guy kicks my puking friend outside of bar for fun. I hit him in the gut, he falls down, I punch him a couple of times on the floor until his wife hit me in the face with her shoe. Hour later his 6 buddies jump me outside a car park and kick the ever living fuck out of me. Approx time 25s/3mins

3 - Dealer threatening my friend who was buying coke. Friend gets hit, I step in to calm fight down. Dealers friend hits me on head with a bottle and kicks the shit out of me on the floor. Approx time 12s

4 - Drunk guy shouts in my face, he pushes me, I punch him in the face. He doesn't get up. Approx time 3s

5 - Two guys jump me in an underpass with a knife, trying to rob my shit. I headbutt one and he goes down, other guy slashes at me with his little flick knife and cuts my forearm. I run like fuck because I like being alive. Approx time 2mins

Realistically none of these are fucking useful. You have a few seconds and instinct. If you're expecting anything more than that go back to Tekken.

>>692943202
Damn, that probably would have been usefull a thausand years ago

>>692943409
You haven't ever controlled a fight?

>>692942983
Good man! On the same page i see!
I remember on another note how my sister who practice karate was surprised when she went to the USA how students' position was not as strong (weak legs) and basically not hitting hard because parents would not allow it...

>>692942879
>The states

That is the problem then. In Australia where I'm taught, we're taught the old style alongside the new style. I agree that in the US the TKD there is shit, but here in Aus. it's on par with Muay Thai.

I've fought against quite a few opponents using MT and they were challenging but nothing that TKD couldn't handle. However this MAY be because our master uses elements of other MA's in his training.

>>692943210
Nah mate not the ribs - the face and legs.

Many a kick has been swung to the face and plus the balancing training in Keumgang fucking sucks

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Striking is important but grappling is the safer way to go.

>>692943419
>>692943467
Stopped because i started studying abroad
not at all.. as most martial arts it practices precision, a sense of mindful sharpness, self control
I loved it because it was a very meditative and disciplined course. It made me proud, to have practiced with adults at the age of 16.
I wish I never stopped

>>692943441
The states. Good old America always good for some violence.

>>692943493
Pfftt hahaha over here the parents (usually) don't give a shit

Or maybe it's just my city, I dunno

>>692943467
The way is always good.

I do hung kuen (Kung fu) and it has lots self defense techniques.

>>692943674
I was in adult classes by age 12 because I was too tall for the junior classes.

Fuck me was it tough when I first started....

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>>692935054

>>692937371
You are correct

>>692943688
Yeah, you should go to Scotland. They're fucking crazy up there. Have you ever used martial arts outside of training? As in used it in an actual fight.

>>692933149
Well me being a boxer, I'd say boxing is great self defense. Most people in the street are going to throw punches so if you can slip and counter it's easy work. I'd say Muay Thai is more effective though since you're utilizing your legs and you're going to be more dominant in a clinch. Anything where you're on the ground is stupid. That's how you get your head caved in by 4 dudes with their stomping shoes on.

>>692943632
It wasn't my face they could hit. My body was the only land they could ever make. Learned to breath guard tho

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>>692943882
I know that feel bruh, tough in any sense, wasnt used to exercise back then
But I dont regret that I have chosen Kendo

Another option would have been Kyudo

>>692944006
Good man. The only reason my face ever got hit was because I'd always be up against one of the best in the gym. Me and him were probably the two best there barring one other guy, and his legs were so fucking quick it was beautiful to watch

>>692943503
Yeah, I was taught Muay Thai by a Thai fighter. The tkd was some point fighter bullshit. Good starting point for the Thai and jujitsu. Real jujitsu, not that tap out bullshit

>>692938737
>flashy moves dont work in real life
This is true. But the big myth to debunk here is that there is a big difference between the techniques someone should use during competition/sport/demonstration, and during a self defence situation.

Any decent instructor in ANY martial art, whether Asian or Western, who is teaching self defence technique, will always say to use the simplest and fastest way to get yourself out of trouble. Such an instructor would say your first port of call should be to run or negotiate your way out of confrontation. If the situation is evolving into one where you are being attacked regardless, or where you have to press the issue, then the fight is on.

In such an instance, whatever style you have trained in will influence how you react, and you play to your strengths. A practitioner of most striking arts like taekwondo, karate, kickboxing, MT etc may try to throw a sucker punch if they believe they are fast enough and the opening is there. But otherwise, to open the gap between you and the opponent, take a defensive and guarded position, and use jabs aimed at the face and low risk simple front kicks aimed at the shin, knee, groin, abdomen, to maintain that gap until an opening to land a decisive blow of any kind presented itself, including through a block/side step+counter.

The point is that self preservation becomes your priority. No decent teacher of a striking art would ever say that your first reaction should be to lunge in with a kick that sounds like a skateboarding move, and whatever techniques you use should be one that is well within your ability.

>>692944238
Yeah tap outs are used in our gym but we still learn the hardcore stuff. I'll admit I'm fucking terrible at JJ compared to other forms of defense but it is satisfying to know you've got someone's face against the floor and both arms flailing uselessly while you almost break them.

>>692943967
Oh yes. Like most I had my reasons for the sweat and blood loss. The person I wished to kill was exceedingly well trained. Airborne ranger from Nam. A killer of men. I had to know if I was wasting my time, or if I could kill him

>>692943882
practiced it in germany though
but it was at that time when an adult got publicly attacked at a subway because he stood up for someone who got bullied but some youngsters
he himself was some karate top tier as far as I remember .. he died in the hospital due to the injuries
all my dad said to me was never use your 'sport' on the street.. its not for self defense .. dont let arrogance or high self esteem blind you

>>692944479
Satisfying pop kek

>>692944563
Like I said before, fight to kill, not to win

>>692944563
Arrogance isn't a concern with me, I had that lesson drilled into me for years and still do. I'm confident, sure, but it's not like I'd openly challenge someone that slightly pissed me off, or act all tough in front of some dude with a knife.

>>692938110
You never been in a Fight with a martial artist then, you do realize boxing is a martial art right

>>692944980
There is the secret. Hide your ability and intent. Your target will know only death.

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ITT: people who don't know what they are talking about.

>self defense vs more then one opponent

fighting 2 opponents is the same thing as fighting 2 cops, the moment you are on the ground you are arrested, except in self defense, you dead.

the tactics you employ in fighting 2 guys is the same when your fighting 2 cops,

1: punch and back up, do not try to fight both, one will tackle you and the head stop will begin.

2: keep both in your sight, don't let one get out of your sight, the moment that happens, the curb stomp begins.

3: retreat retreat retreat, if you want to survive this you absolutely have to use the geography to your advantage,

4: USE THE GOD DAMNED GEOGRAPHY, fight with your back against the wall, find a doorway, an alley way, a staircase, find high ground, use geography to force your opponents to face you one on one, this is your only hope if you intend to actually fight them.

5: NEVER GO TO THE GROUND, you go to the ground, your dead, (or if your lucky arrested) simple as that.


1 on 1 fighting:

fighting on the ground is alot like having sex with another dude, you will know his body intimately,

fighting on the ground is less about beating your opponent, and more about making your opponent your bitch,

in a self defense situation, feel for you opponents hands, make sure he isn't gonna pull a knife or a gun,

GROUND FIGHTING IS INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS,

ground fighting is were men get killed, not knocked out, and if you go to the ground with a guy, that fight is going to be long, hard, and horrible,

and finally, if you beat the guy on the ground, put him and a knee bar and tear his knee out of his socket, and he will walk with a limp the rest of his life.

or kill him.

as far as Brazilian ju jujitsu, it is, in 1 vs 1 fighting the most effective martial art in the world, but in multiple man fighting it's gonna get you killed.

tl;dr

muai Thai if your gonna punch and retreat, and Brazilian ju jujitsu if your gonna kill a man.

>>692944980
i didnt want to imply I was an arrogant little brat back then, confident sure but also utmost humble
I just loved the way ... the teaching, the discipline
open bleeding blisters on feet and hands.. loved it fuck .. i miss it

>>692945092
the dans also mentioned that we should watch our breathing .. slow and subtle exhale .. dont let your opp know you are tired or exhausted..

Krav maga for sure, as long as you looking for self protection because you will be nutt kicking eye gouging and throat punching.

>>692945211
Wow anon I was gonna say you also didn't know shit but that was actually pretty standard. Well done.

>>692943462
.. best answer so far... Luckily haven't been in fights, but all the fights I've seen litterly last seconds. I would do martial arts or anything for physical fitness, practicing coordination.. etc.. Where do you live that you get into so many fight?

>>692945211
I have fought off 14 attackers at once. Got a nice head knock, but fighting many at once means moving forward or to the side, not back. Putting more of them in front or behind each other. You don't know shit. Sit down.

>>692935211
Kek

>>692937270
Yes they fucking are every time I was fighting with somebody it was hard until they go stiff then you push them and do a leg throw

>>692933149
For self defense Krav Maga. Kickboxing also.

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>>692945733

14 attackers, and not one of them tackled you?

wow i sure do believe you.

bro, go for a believable number, go for 4 or 6,

back to your trap threads.

>>692946223
Think I care if you believe me kek no fucks given. Changes nothing fool. Forward or to the side.

>>692945621
Britfag.

Realistically you have an opportunity to land 1 or 2 good hits. Some striking arts are gonna help you make them count but any swing can do damage if it connects.

Simple advice would be:
- Don't be too proud to sucker punch. Whoever hits first usually wins. Always hit first.
- Don't go down to the ground. If you take a nasty hit try to run away. If you do go down and you're losing. fetal position. Protect your fucking head.
- Never fight more than 1 person. If you do, drop one as fast as you can and then fucking run.
- Never fight someone holding a weapon.

>>692933149
Self defense? Any can be self defense, but I started with Judo

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>>692946476
I'm sorry, you must really think you have an argument. Kek

Assuming this post is not b8 because in /b/, threads like this are GUARANTEED to get hundreds of replies.

I am going to simplify it as much as possible.

Striking - Boxing/Muay thai/Kickboxing

and

Grappling - Wrestling/BJJ

and

Sprinting

Pick one from each category and stick with it. Do MMA on the side as that shit will confuse you as a beginner. Everything else is pretty much having situational awareness and 'street smarts'.

Kinda surprised nobody has at least MENTIONED Kenpo (or Kempo in some areas).

Expensive ... But brutal.

>>692946626
Its been brought up. No more brutal then any other form

>>692946379
Tell story of 14 opponents.. sounds fucking bruce lee to mee man! Did they attack you at the same time? Were they waiting for their turn?

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>>692946603
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

you must think you have a story people will actually believe.

>>692943458
<box kicker
kek

>>692946603

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oC3poLYAVI

>>692933149
If the martial artist is good the martial art choosen is not important.

>>692946760
After school, second year high school. Wanna be thug white box and his little wangster group wait for me and my brother after school. Four cars loaded. Jump out crew. Circle up around me, I was the one that pissed this guy off. They ignore my brother completely, mistake. I learned quickly that giving ground was bad, might need it to run and moving backwards when some many want to hurt you is bad. Mostly try to move to open space in moving wall of meat. Fast Dodging makes attackers hit each other. This goes on for maybe a minute, maybe less. Brother picking up attackers and dropping them on their necks, teacher pulls up, dumb kids run, I have concussion, main attacker has broken arm.

>>692946765
Still don't care if you don't believe. Hell I don't even care if you take the advice, in fact, please don't

Just buy a gun. You can carry one practically anywhere in America. Who needs martial arts when you can carry a high capacity semi automatic pistol with like 5 extra clips. Let's say it's a Baretta M9 that's like 90 roounds on hand. Fuck all your ching chong fu then asshat.

>>692947765
Again, gun does not equal tough.

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>You wil never be this alpha

>>692948037
Or that red

>>692948037
He still fights according to a set of rules. Can still be defeated by little dude.

>>692933149
Self defence = bjj, jiu jitsu

>>692948141
Yeah, if he had a gun/knife

>>692947882
Tough is immaterial, I have a gun and you don't, I live and you die. Simple. I would rather be alive than tough.

>>692948210
Sure thing there cage fighter.

>>692948210
You do realize in a real world setting anyone who is going to try to rob/murder you will have a gun right?

In my experience, it depends way more on your teacher, than your martial art. I've trained Tae Kwon-Do for 10+ years, kickboxing for 6, and Kali for 4. I've also dabbled in kyokushin karate and judo, but the one i've learned the most from is Tae Kwon-Do. Not because it's an amazing martial art, but because my master is a great teacher who doesn't focus on one martial art.

>>692948243
Sure thing there pal. Cause you know, there isn't any way to disarm an attacker kek

>>692948289
sure thing there street-meme fighter

>J-just hit him in the balls bro!

>>692948465
If I wanted my come back I would wipe it of your moms chin

>>692948558
HILARIOUS AND ORIGINAL

>>692948723
Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all night, tip your waitress

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>>692947765
Please tell me all of those mistakes were intentional

>>692948426
Not at over 20 ft

>>692948426
>disarm an attacker
Good luck disarming me before I pull the trigger and blow your internal organs out of your back.

>>692948919
And fuck you I just woke up. So what if I made a few typos. I'm still right and it burns your ass doesn't it?

>>692944490
Damn, did you ever achieve your goal?

>>692949045
Implying your attacker will announce their intentions to attack you at over 20 feet. Rook shit. No right up on you, not 20 feet.

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>>692933861

Welp, this thread has become shit. ABANDON THREAD!

>>692949199
No. For all the years of training, my father decided to make up for what he's done. Killing him just seems sad now

>>692949130
Not typos, nomenclature. I just got off a 12 hr patrol.

>>692949282
I love how every "MAH KUNG FU" thread "becomes shit" when someone logically points out that a gun trumps any of that shit.

>>692933861
You know ABSOLUTELY nothing, neckbeard. Watching you in a fight would be hilarious.

>>692949366
Who the fuck said anything about that? The thread became shit when the insults started flying. Goodbye and have fun.

>>692949347
Im not in the Army man. Im just a guy. I don't need to be a baby killing failure to know how to use a gun. Enjoy getting an IED up your ass you piece of subhuman military shit. You make me sick.

>>692949130
Disarming someone, especially someone who does not thing their gun can break their fingers, is easy and fun. Plus pistol whipping someone with their own gun kek satisfying pop

>>692949214
As much as I think mcmap is retarded, that's the counterpoint to arms length.

>>692947882

neither does martial arts man,

>>692949458
Make sure to remember your Katana and Fedora as you walk away sobbing!

>>692949547
True, but they don't hurt. Thats not true. They really hurt.

>>692949476
You still think you could disarm me before I can fire my weapon? You're an idiot. I wouldn't give you time. If I was goign to draw my weapon I wouldn't be just holding it on you. I would be shooting. At that point I've already decided you are going to die.

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>>692949475
So edgy, I do executive protection right now actually. I've been out for 5 years, good try though champ.

>>692949549
Hold up.

Fuck you, ok? You're an idiot. 1. You think that someone holding a gun in someone's face can't be disarmed. 2. You're calling me a fucking weeaboo when I'm not even disagreeing with you.

Just because you are in the military, does not make you the be all end all. It's no wonder the US military doesn't get support when fucking mongoloids like you get enlisted. Have fun being what everybody hates about America.

>>692949712
Well, thanks for all the time you spent raping and murdering innocent women and children in the service of our country. You military types will always be beneath me.

>>692949748
>Military
You got the one (you)

>>692949837
*wrong

>>692949637
Here the thing, if I have decided you are going to die, pulling your gun between the time I have snatched the life out of you would be a feat that makes you famous. Hiding ability and intent makes you ded and me having a new gun to drop bodies on.

>>692949805
Someone's liberal arts professor sunk their hooks in deep

>>692949748
1) I am not nor have I ever been military. I despise the military.

2) I wouldn't "hold" a gun to someone's face. I would pull and shoot. Period. No holding at gun point, no talking, no delay. I clear leather and empty a clip into you.

3) You must have both a Katana and a Fedora along with a trench coat and some sort of MLP plushie you fuck on the reg, no one else would ever believe there is a valid hand to hand defense against me with a gun.

>>692949837
I don't care, you're all just fucking retards at this point.

>>692949917
What are you? Twelve?

>>692933149
You're going to hear people tell you to take Krav Maga. Krav Maga is useless if your opponent has any experience in a martial arts other than Krav Maga.

The best, all-round option for self defence is traditional Japanese Jiu Jutsu. Learn that, mix it with some modern common-sense techniques to avoid getting into trouble and maybe learn a little kickboxing/boxing for striking and anyone who fucks with you on the street is going to end up a broken mess.

source: I'm an assistant jiu jutsu trainer and our teacher also mixes in a little kickboxing. Have taken on four guys at once and won.

>>692950031
Clearing leather at range is one thing, but you obviously have never had to pull iron up close. The act of pulling leaves you open, putting your off hand out front and pulling is folly

>>692950031
1. OHHHH SO EDGY

2. There is thing called context tou fucking idiot, quit trying to pass off that you're so edgy you would go up to someone random and shoot them.

3. Well it just shows how retarded you are then, doesn't it? Keep being edgy, I'm sure the basement thinks you're cool. And by the way, please stop projecting onto me.

>>692949928
Nope, just a sane and rational person who understands there is no need for the huge military spending and general breed of raping and murdering morons employeed by that particular institution. The US Military are shit bags. Every single one. Them and the police. We don't even really NEED a ground force anymore. Navy and Air Force do all the real work.

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Oh boy, smells like summer in here now. Thanks to the other anons for a thread that was bretty gud

>>692934108
its fine for 1 on 1. it relies highly on making a single opponent unable to move on the ground. Doesn´t help tho if you have one guy in a deadly choke while his buddys stomp your head. Japanese jiu jitsu doesnt have that much emphasize on groundwork.