Martial Arts General
All martial arts welcome.
Striking, grappling, weapons; come one, come all.
Lawrence Kenshin Addition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeM-PDj0Hkk
Pity bump
>>1170129
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeM-PDj0Hkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI5427MXF3E
Are they Chinese or Japanese?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V_KN1jh8Yk&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD7jSgjiwKc
>being a street fighter
>not using Tae Kwon Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrYXd8NlhCs&nohtml5=False
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9_hso2KV0A&nohtml5=False
>>1170129
>all martial arts
You're fucking retarded or something? Why don't you just make an "alternative sports" general?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwFl7k_aK6w&nohtml5=False
>>1171008
so is this like aikido wrestling
>look at this incredible counter I can do when my opponent grabs on to me and then just sits there like a tree stump and doesn't actually try to take me down
I would expect any grappler worth their salt would already have compromised the footing on that leg before you could roll out of it?
side note. I flying squirreled someone off of a double leg last night. Have been trying to hit that for such a long time
>>1172984
have you ever actually drilled before?
>>1172984
In fairness that happens alot when wrestling people shitter or weaker.
>>1173111
but a drill needs to be real time. Gotta actually have someone at least half attempt the takedown, not just sit there
>>1173190
>but a drill needs to be real time.
You risk developing shit technique like that. Slowly working up speed while developing your technique is good so once you're up to speed, you're technique is up to scratch.
If you guys had to make a combine-it-all wrestling style, what would be the rules?
Or to put it another way, what type of wrestling is the most general and open to defend against all other types of wrestling? Like, what's the boxing of wrestling?
Is it grecoroman?
>>1173230
>what type of wrestling is the most general and open to defend against all other types of wrestling?
>what is the boxing of wrestling
I see what you did there.
To stay true to the theme of the thread, I'll just leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ7bbmjtAB0
Hey bros, what styles do you train in? I'm currently training bjj+taekwondo+kickboxing.
I train bjj Sunday and Monday whilst Tuesday and Thursday are kickboxing and taekwondo and Wednesdays is when I train K-1.
I've been meaning to create a programme to help me especially with my strength, cardio and flexibility. So far I'm planning to hit a tire with a hammer and in addition knuckle pushups in order to strengthen my wrists. Kettlebell circuits to improve my cardio and add a little bit of strength. I've been meaning to incorporate morning runs in my daily routine but I get shitfaced the rest of the day and find myself tired during training sessions so I'll probably run once or twice a week.
>>1173353
How long have you been doing your martial arts? And how do you think taekwondo compliments kickboxing?
>I've been meaning to incorporate morning runs in my daily routine but I Get shitfaced the rest of the day
Are you waking up early to do this? If you're waking up early, you're fucking up your sleep-wake schedule. You'd either need to get used to it, adjust, and go to sleep earlier, or change your current schedule.
>>1173353
the more I train bjj the more useless I realize it is. Fucking hate how it's so reliant on grips.
I had a kid out of highschool wreck my shit in no gi with wrestling
as a sport it's pretty fun, as a martial art I don't understand how anybody can take this shit seriously. It's like 90% of the techniques are *
*will not work without a gi
so today we're going to go in depth with spider guard*
>So far I'm planning to hit a tire with a hammer
that was just funny to read
>hey bro, how do you get your arms like that?
>I hit a tire with a hammer
>>1170712
>Tae Kwon Do
>literally korean rip-off karate
No thanks friendo.
>>1173353
bjj + mma classes for about a year on-and-off due to college.
>>1173379
I guess your guillotines and back-takes suck huh? Train more, cry less, and get in the no-gi classes in your gym.
>>1173424
no gi is just catch wrestling, its dishonest to even call it jiujitsu at that point
>>1173377
I've been doing bjj and kickboxing for about a year now, I use to do bodybuilding but I found that it just wasn't fun anymore. I started doing taekwondo 2 months ago.
I find that taekwondo works pretty well with kickboxing and the spinning kicks are fun to do but my flexibility is terrible. One of the main reasons I took up taekwondo was for the flexibility and the useful techniques. Although one of my qualms is that I find it awkward kicking with the toes as I feel more comfortable hitting with my shin and the fact that turf toes suck ass.
I'm quite a late sleeper and I tend to wake up during noon so I'm trying to change that.
>>1173379
>the more I train bjj the more useless I realize it is
I agree with you 50/50, bjj is typically not very effective in real life since if you grapple on tarmac then 9/10 the tarmac would win. I would agree that nogi grappling is more effective in a heated situation but then again gi training is useful imo in colder climates when people tend to wear jackets and clothing but that's just me since I live in the UK and its cold as fuck most of the time.
>>1173433
I really don't think its "just catch wrestling", fighting off your back is still an important part of the game.
>>1173445
but that's a big part of what makes it useless. fighting off your back in gi makes sense, fighting off your back in no gi is shit because you don't have grips.
>>1173458
Tbh I think people should just train both. When I hear people say JJ is shit because fighting off you're back is bad, I just think "Break posture, hit technical stand-up" congratz, now you're not on your back.
>>1170725
This is the corner we are left to huddle in until fifteen diva hair threads push us to the archive.
Be happy ma got one of the 10% of threads that isn't wrestling. By summer it literally will be one /asp/ general.
You guys think there's a chance of an alternative-sports dedicated board getting made?
>>1170129
Does anyone have the most recent version of the cross of /asp/?
>>1173205
You can get choked with your head on the inside as well, head outside = bad is a BJJ meme that needs to end. In either case, you're sacrificing takedown defense for a submission attempt, and that doesn't always work out.
>>1173555
>the cross of /asp/
Top Tier: Muay Thai + Wrestling
Medium Tier: American Kickboxing + Judo
Bottom Tier: Boxing + BJJ
Other Tier: Kyokushin Karate + Some Grappling Art
>>1173230
I wouldn't do anything to wrestling. The separation is fine so as to allow someone to focus on whatever aspect of the sport they're interested in.
serious question for those that have done both. Is BJJ easier on the body than Judo? Obviously they'll both have their specific issues, but what really fucks my shit up in judo is being slammed on the floor and explosive pulling. Would I have an easier time of it in BJJ or am I just in for a new world of pain?
>>1174503
>Is BJJ easier on the body than Judo?
BJJ is a little more rough on your butthole.
>>1174503
In the end they'll both shit on your body, but in Judo you're guaranteed to take multiple impacts on the floor over and over again. BJJ will eventually fuck your back up and give you spooky skeletal hands (if you grip-fight heavily at least), but judo will generally fuck your shit up.
>>1173230
Catch wrestling probably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_3RN86SJGk
>I'm not going to go too indepth with how to throw these kicks; I can't give away too much information, I'll be upsetting Muay Thai schools out there. Right.
Gym instructors could turn on a video camera, and say exactly what they're going to say to their students about throwing a punch or a kick.
They can point out every single little detail, the details that would be corrected in a live session, using charts, slow motion capture, and detailed images.
They just don't want to do that because people won't have to pay for their beginner lessons anymore.
Other gyms don't want other people to do this because people won't have to pay for their beginner lessons anymore.
Some people actually believe information, knowledge of martial arts, should be free, so they post instructional videos, to teach people.
Other places, they just post instructional videos, but so they can self advertise and get you to get the knowledge they're leaving out by joining their gym or buying their DVD, because people are greedy mother fuckers.
>>1175279
Forgive my ignorance, how does BJJ mess up your back? I would tend to think that all the core strength involved in the sport would shore all that up.
>>1173844
Retard tier: you.
>>1175279
>spooky skeletal hands
What
>>1176370
All the training and fighting done off your back accumulates over time. Common problems amongst the older guys who've been in bjj for awhile are things like bulging discs.
>>1176388
http://i.imgur.com/FUY8mf4.jpg
Have some paulo miyao hands as an example.
Posting videos of myself hoping other anons will, too.
Kicking Clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK1VWe1C8FA
Nuncucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUgLU46ZqP4
Bag Work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlRfGjgI41w
>Ginga in the end
>tfw don't remember which arm was supposed to guard my face while which leg was in front
I'm usually one to mostly stay on the outside, going inside for short amounts of time, not throwing combinations often.
I thought that makes me a bit predictable, so I've decided to work on throwing combinations more, as done in the video.
How I plan on implementing combination in with the other things I do is still a work in progress.
>>1172930
>not using a pipe bomb
Firearms are for pussies
Anybody here does Kyokushin Karate?
Is it cool or fun to do/learn it?
Im actually doing Muay Thai but Karate seems funs too
>>1177830
>Kyokushin Karate
>not Gogu-Ryu Karate, the father of Kyokushin Karate
>>1177917
>Who the fuck cares, try whichever's closest
What do you guys think about this?
I don't know much about Jujutsu, and decided to do a little research.
This was the first result on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBs6K2HCAJ8
so now that /asp/ has become a shithole, where do you guys go for online martial arts discussion?
>>1173534
I hope so every time I come here.
>>1178211
I can talk about this shit on /sp/ more than anything. Btw check out the US Olympic wrestling trials today for free on NBCsports.
>>1173409
And karate is rip off of Kung fu; which in turn is an adaptation of some Indian shit. What's your point sir?
>>1178211
I've been visiting bullshido more than usual lately.
>>1177987
that's basically what japanese jujitsu looks like. It's about quickly incapacitating untrained attackers, not sustained fighting against trained opponents.
Is Parkour a martial art?
>tfw haven't rolled in a while
>tfw my technique isn't that consistent
>gif related, not enough leg use, hands too close to legs, didn't extend legs out enough at end of roll, causing me to roll onto my gluteus minimus
>>1179046
Parkour is all all flight, no fight. Although it can be a useful training tool for a martial artists, and a traceur would have an easier time starting a martial art then a random off the street, parkour is no a martial art.
>>1179072
in france it is
people who do parkour have mastered french combat tactics
>>1179089
>have mastered french combat tactics
What do you mean by combat tactics?
>>1179100
running away
>leave /asp/ for a while
>come back
>it's taken over by show rasslin
What a shame.
>>1179072
But what is a martial art?
This is based off of Wikipedia, but Wikipedia is best used for getting a rather general understanding of things, so it could be wrong.
According to Wikipedia (W), a martial art can be a system of combat practices.
According to W, combat can be a purposeful violent conflict meant to drive the opponent away from a location.
According to W, violence can be the intentional use of one's self which results in a high likelihood of an opponent resulting in injury, death, or psychological harm.
Parkour is a set of practices.
These practices can be used to drive an opponent away from an area.
These practices can be used to drive an opponent away from an area with the intent of causing harm to the opponent.
Take this popular Parkour movie scene, for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm9qvqzefds
David Badass drove the gangsters and thugs away from an area and himself, in which the gangsters and thugs ended up hurt.
But as I said, this is Wikipedia, Wikipedia isn't always the most credible source.
>>1178669
That any non-pure starter martial art is obviously shit!
>>1179292
I think parkour is just a word people use to make free running sound like a legitimate activity and not hippie shit
FREE RUNNING MAAAAN, sidewalks are the work of corporate america, you can run where ever you want maan!
>>1179255
>But what is a martial art?
martial art comes from mars, as in the god of war. so a martial art is anything that is an art of war, so firearms and sabotage are martial arts the same way hand to hand combat is.
>>1173409
Ta Kwon Do is a mishmash of traditional Korean stuff and Karate.
They are at least smart enough to focus on mobility so they can run away Jackie Chan style.
>>1179416
>run away Jackie Chan style.
But doesn't Jackie Chan use ancient Chinese Acrobatics, which is like Parkour?
>>1170129
So i'm looking for a recommendation on Take Won Do manuals i can buy on Amazon.
Mainly want to train my self up to be more agile and develop better co-ordination along with being able to kick someones face in if needed.
>>1179424
Why do you need manuals?
You can skip all the Kata, belts and uniforms, and go straight to the good stuff, Kicking Technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHP4wN1W4K0
If you really want to string together stuff and dance around while developing technique, you can look up their Kata on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHP4wN1W4K0
>>1179423
He does but that's besides the point.
Korean martial arts are documented in historical sources and manuals together with horse-back acrobatics and dances.
Point is they included acrobatics and similar stuff in almost every tradition that requires you to move your body.
>>1179445
Not going to have Internet access for the next half of the year and i really need something productive to do in my free time and i need some exercise as i put on extra 10 Kg during the winter (currently weigh 105Kg at 185 Cm).
Also i'm originally a klutz so learning some coordination will be good.
The ''really want to string together stuff and dance around while developing technique'' part should do that for me.
Also i think that there's a purpose in learning from the basics so i was looking for a well written manual and i don't trust online ratings on sales sites.
>>1179447
I didn't know that. You learn something new every day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUbyQmtZ_6E
>>1179456
>Not going to have Internet access for the next half of the year
Is going to public libraries to use their computers too inconvenient?
Are you going to live in the mountains or something?
>>1179529
Construction work all day long and will live in a relatively isolated village.
>>1179447
>Korean martial arts are documented in historical sources and manuals together with horse-back acrobatics and dances.
>horse-back
Is driving cars a martial art?
>>1179582
No. But do you make jump kicks out of your car?
>>1179582
Their ruling caste during the 17th century viewed it all as ''folk arts'' not just martial arts and thus they were documented and written down together.
They also had that Sword-danicng tradition related to some story where a dancer drew sabres at a festival and killed a king of an older dynasty.
I read most of this some years ago so i can't remember most of it.
>>1179582
Ride by kickings!
(i just had to make that shitty joke)
>want to learn grappling
>great bjj place near me
>catch place slightly further away
>feel obligated to do catch because of how rare it is
What do?
>>1170129
Anyone interested in/know about Savate? I've been trying to learn about it, find some good videos of it, maybe some info graphics. It looks interesting. Anyone got anything?
>>1180324
Go to the place with better instructors and a better competition record.
>>1180324
Rarity might be a double edged sword. There's a higher likelihood the BJJ place getting you exposed to a wider world of tournaments, and BJJ learning resources and shit will be more abundant.
Check out both in person, though.
>>1170129
Is it easy to tell if a dojo is legit or not, is there some website that verifies them? I've only done boxing all my life, so I just go by the golden rule of if it's shitty looking and half the trainers don't speak English, it's good. But I have no idea if I'm walking into a mcdojo if it's not boxing
>>1180544
if it hurts when they do it, its probably pretty good (conversely, if half of what they do is "toodeadly4u" its probably shit)
>>1177572
I was going to be rude and insult your ginga, but it takes balls posting videos of yourself here. I'm just going to guess Capoeira isn't your main style? With that kick speed and form you could be good at it.
>>1178211
Reddit /r/ martialarts is less shit than here
>>1172984
Gotta learn the techniques somehow
>>1170655
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI5427MXF3E
>what I wish I had the opportunity to do in my childhood
>>1170655
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD7jSgjiwKc
I think this is a good example of how easy it can be to get a weapon in a street fight.
>>1170712
Anyone have more videos of people getting kicked in street fights?
>>1170734
0:11 to 0:15
>runs away
Should Boxing, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, and MMA rings be larger?
Surely, the utilization of larger distancing options is part of martial arts skill.
I thought this differentiation between pre-fighting stance and fighting stance was kind of interesting.
http://demilejkd.com/showthread.php?tid=3
>>1178669
>adaptation of some indian shit
Got a source on that?
>>1184390
Did you see that one Fight Quest episode where they went to India?
They say it's possible or something like that.
>>1184390
This is just a start. Look more for yourself. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalaripayattu
>>1179416
>They are at least smart enough to focus on mobility so they can run away
Are you saying Goju and Kyokushin is stupid?
>>1172930
What are you gonna do when you won't have access to a firearm? Fucking retard
If I use a Fire Stone on my Chick, will it evolve into a Torchic?
This Chick is already super kawaii, I think a Torchic would be super kawaii.
I really want a Combusken to help me train, but my Chick would still evolve into a fighting type, right?
After I evolve Combustken into Blaziken, I hope that nigga can teach me Fire Punch and Blaze Kick; that shit would be so cash.
Sambo,Judo or Wrestling?(olympians at all 3 spots).
>>1186951
You got that image completely backwards.
>>1177572
Liking your nunchaku work. I'm just starting out with them myself and I'm gradually getting over the apprehension of possibly hitting myself or accidentally spinning them out of control during the more advanced, flowy movements. Things are fucking dangerous.
>>1187131
>I'm just starting out with them myself
Nice to see I'm not the only one having fun with those.
>the apprehension of possibly hitting myself
It's been so long since I was first starting out, I don't really remember that.
During the video, I actually hit myself in the testicles at least a couple times during video.
After getting a developed pain tolerance, and hitting yourself with them a few times, it doesn't seem as bad anymore. My pain tolerance isn't as high as it used to be, though, I plan on working on that.
>things are dangerous
I like to think of things as potentially dangerous. It's only dangerous if you mess up.
>>1181560
>it takes balls
Speaking of balls, I hit myself in them during that nunchaku video.
>I'm just going to guess Capoeira isn't your main style?
That'd be correct.
>With that kick speed and form you could be good at it
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here.
>>1192411
In a less backhanded way: you have the foundational tools to excel at dance-fighting
What happened to this board lads, it used to be so comfy only a few months ago. RIP.
>>1192670
Wrasslinfags moved in
>>1187018
Why not all 3? But do whatever provides you with the most frequency. Better to train Judo 5 days a week than just to do wrestling once a week.
>>1192840
Ive filed several requests to split up the board, hasn't happened yet
>>1192959
> yet
It is never going to happen
Go to /sp/ if you dont like it here
>>1192959
I said we, not just you.
>>1192959
Where would I do this?
Does not having a neck help with striking? I saw this picture of one of the fighters out of some venue I got asked to go fight in and laughed, then I wondered if he ever gets knocked out since he just naturally always has his chin down.
Here's the picture, I blurred out the face because I didn't want to be a complete asshole
>>1193325
Go to /qa/
>>1192974
>/sp/
Should we ask /heem/ to grant us refuge? I know a lot of them train and have ma discussions pretty often.
>>1172930
So you saying a bjjfag has 0% chance to beat a tkdfag?
Hey friends, I am from /heem/ and I just feel bad for you having to eek out a living here ever since the Great Migration polluted this board. I hope you all find the sanctuary you deserve
>>1193943
They talk about it but it's pretty infrequent considering there's a lot more funposting and sport related discussion. Good threads overall though aside from pic related.
>>1194031
Same to you. As-salamu alaykum, my good senpai.
>>1193945
So you saying a tkdfag has a 0% chance to beat a bjjfag?
>>1179292
There is a difference in motivation. Parkour is the art of moving quickly and efficiently through any environment, free running is about doing impressive tricks while running around. Doing flips and shit, strictly speaking, betrays the fundamental idea in parkour of being efficient and quick.
But generally if you do one you'll probably end up doing the other, so it's only a distinction for traceurs to care about.
>>1194401
>ur is the art of moving quickly and efficiently through any environment, free running is about doing impressive tricks while running around.
Some people disagree.
One of the interpretations is that there is no distinction, and that PKFR (Parkour-FreeRunning) is about freedom; about one's ability to move freely in various ways amongst the environment, with just one's body. Just one's body, but some people often neglect the detail of whether or not clothing an shoes are involved.
>>1194414
>of whether or not clothing an shoes are involved.
Barefoot, you could take a sharp rock to the foot during a landing.
Without pants and underwear, you could take a small pointy branch to the testicle when doing Parkour around a tree and or bush.
You could get abrasions just about everywhere.
>Fight Night Tampa: Lyoto Machida vs Dan Henderson
>round 2
>2:54
>Dan Henderson goes for a takedown
>Lyoto Machida fucking knees him in the head or chest
>no takedown for Dan Henderson
Delusional grappling fags stay mad.
>Kettle Corn tries to wrestle Fish Fry
>Fish Fry beats Kettle Corn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEC_nTeo-uQ
>>1194554
So...know both? There's a ton of ways you can wind up on the ground, whether you're thrown, single/double legged, or any of the other million ways to get someone down, you can't rely on your ability to stay on your feet indefinitely. Even if you only do some Judo ne waza you should have some kind of way to keep people from choking you, breaking your limbs, or pinning you.
>>1177917
>Gogu-Ryu Karate
Are you trying to push that meme when you can't spell it?
>>1195545
why does nobody ever do the classic bjj standing guillotine defence where you frame his knee and roll backwards, it seems like it would be pretty effective
>>1196349
>classic bjj standing guillotine defence
Do BJJ practitioners use this?
Any CMAfags here? You guys think traditional cma once had fighting ability?
>>1179582
Do you know how hardcore competitive horseback riding is? Training the horse to do what you want, and training yourself to pull off guiding the horse through doing what you want is a hell of a thing. Then if you're going to ride that horse into battle, you're damn right horseback riding is a martial art.
War horses are not regular horses. Riding a horse into combat is not regular horseback riding.
>>1196349
Never seen that, but I usually go for the outside trip to the opposite side, gets me out almost every time.
However, if someone actually is able to grab a guillotine mid-scramble when your hands are on the mat they can often choke you out before you can even respond.
>>1195545
I would just throw kicks to the legs until he went down.
>>1170129
Martial arts general
>on /asp/
these are sad times.
70% of threads used to be martial arts before /wwe/
And there weren't even many shitposting threads on the board.
Now there are more shitposting threads on this boards then there used to be non-martial arts /asp/ threads.
And now even martial arts has been reduced to one simple thread.
I cry a single tear, for the fate that has befallen /asp/
>>1197183
i dont get why wrestling is even an 'alternative' sport.
Where's the sport if the winner is scripted in beforehand?
>>1197205
There should really just be an /ma/ board and a /wwe/ or some shit.
Since wrestling isn't an alternative sport at all. Or a sport.That's why they added the & between it and the original title. It technically belongs on /tv/, because it's a scripted fucking tv show, but it would overrun that too. It needs a containment board, but Hiroshimoot decided to just destroy /asp/ instead.
>>1197216
>there should really be an /ma/ board
But martial arts are alternative sports.
>>1198554
Is pro wrestling an alternative sport? Regardless, we need segregation.
>>1198581
I agree
Time for you all to fuck off over to sherdog
You autistic karate kid fraggles will not be missed
>>1197216
>It needs a containment board
Yeah we have one, it's called /asp/
>>1198628
I can smell you from here. Go jack off to feet.
>>1197056
>You guys think traditional cma once had fighting ability?
Chinese soldiers killed each other, didn't they?
>>1198628
Sherdog is slow. I'm down for the /asp/ destruction and reconstruction into /wwe/ for all wrasslinfags and /ma/ for martial arts and alternative sports, since most are somewhat combative.
>>1198717
Your shows have literally nothing to do with the content of /asp/. It isn't a fucking sport, it's a televised stage play with a lot of athleticism involved.
Not a martial art, not a sport. /tv/ content that would overrun /tv/. Needs its own board.
>>1184006
>Anyone have more videos of people getting kicked in street fights?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0ld3Buf83Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYUb--qGkMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyyWGGfEjI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h24bX48z6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsKPkLuVPOU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc2yQOaqIws
>>1199870
Looks like high kicks are pretty effective when used in a sucker punch-type way.
What's an animal that hasn't had a martial art influenced by it?
Octopus Style.
We should have 2 attachable arms, and 2 attachable legs.
One extra limb for each limb, giving us 8.
We could angle them in a way so that when throwing a strike, they don't hit simultaneously.
You could hit from many different angles, and the opponents would need to deal with 2 strikes for every 1 strike you do.
This should be primarily a striking art.
If your opponent manages to control one of the extra limbs, he controls your limb attached to it.
But there're still grappling benefits.
>>1200136
>relationship
>bad
hahaha
>>1200136
waive the catholic church and San Jose diocese? Why
>>1200249
Gonna guess it's done in a church basement or something.
>>1199706
> wrestling doesnt belong on the wrestling board
Lol
>>1200550
How about we all start shitting up your WWE threads?
>kata guruma is a banned technique
>is part of the kata
who let this happen?
who allowed judo to become shit?
>>1200588
They got mad at wrestlers using the rules against them and winning through slow advantage matches
>>1200608
well there is also a discussion happening among the upper echelon again about changing to rules to allow leg grabs as counter measures but you can't initiate with them
>>1200650
Still kinda dumb desu.
>>1200608
wrestlers and bjjfags were getting medals in the olympics and jap fags were angry about how doubles were over powered so they nerfed it for shitty judo throws.
Judo is a joke anyway, its practically useless no one uses it in UFC (inb4 Ronda Cowsy, women division doesnt count)
just do wrestling for takedowns and bjj for subs
>>1200136
>>1200997
>its practically useless no one uses it in UFC (inb4 Ronda Cowsy, women division doesnt count)
>who is Dong Hyun Kim
>>1201099
good question who? a can
every person that claims judo is a can in MMA
>>1200550
it was merged here wasnt it? im new to this board and its disappointing to see the judo general pushed off by the latest shitpost about divas and what will happen next week on world wrestling z.
>>1200997
>Judo is a joke anyway, its practically useless no one uses it in UFC (inb4 Ronda Cowsy, women division doesnt count)
>just do wrestling for takedowns and bjj for subs
This shitty opinion again. put a hard floor in place of the mat and see if judo doesn't clean up
>>1201761
>put a hard floor in place of the mat and see if judo doesn't clean up
It makes double legs that much more devastating.
>>1200997
>Judo is a joke
Would love to test your chin
>>1200025
>a sucker punch-type way
The opponents were just suckers to begin with.
So I was watching a lot of gay porn lately and came up with a new self defense move. I call it The Meat Grinder. It's where you put your opponent's penis and balls in your mouth at the same time and then bite down and start grinding your teeth like crazy like you've done loads of MDMA and are pissed off like a bitch.
>>1201898
of all the ways to take someone down a double leg is one of the more gentle
What made you want to train? Was it a who or what that inspired you? Tell your intro to martial arts story
>>1202194
Not if you lift them
>>1202864
without getting into the implications of effortlessly lifting someone bigger than you, where as judo throws don't require a lift so much as a disruption of balance
yes it is still more gentile, there isn't any angular momentum on it
a double leg is a glorified tackle, it isn't even considered a throw, all of the energy is pushing forward
a throw creates an inversion and dumps the person head first on to their back from an arc
you should take a judo class to see the difference in impact when you hit the ground between legal judo and double legs. I've never once seen a match end of any kind from a double leg, I've seen people hospitalized off of throws more times than I can count
>>1178211
sherdog
>>1202934
Show us what version of the double leg you're talking about.
>>1202987
if you are talking about a double leg you are talking about very minor variations of doing the same thing, grab low, pull their legs, plop someone over
>>1202934
>t. I've never been double legged
We've had judo kids come and get double legged by the wrestling team and they seem to all share the same terrified look on their face when it happens. Why are you trying to be elitist about what hurts and what doesn't? And a double leg isn't a "glorified tackle" you fucking autistic faggot. Even judoka recognize this, as morote gari has always been a part of judo curriculum. What Jordan Burroughs does is far more technical than a fucking tackle. Next you'll be saying a suplex is a "glorified lift."
>>1204945
Because this thread is now shit thanks to two shitposters having a back and forth that consists of
>judo is shit
>nuh uh it's the best evar
>>1197141
>I would just throw kicks to the legs until he went down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ7bbmjtAB0
Opinions on Kajukenbo?
When did you lads start with submission wrestling?
At what age is it too late/too early to start?
I'm 18, and pretty scared to go down and start doing it since I am an absolute beginner and I've never done anything grappling related.
>>1206994
Just give it a go you nonce, nobody says you have to be the best
>>1202117
That is actually pretty effective
>>1206696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddh_sR_ItC8
It's no worse than any other style of folk dancing I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5gHgYoqrJo
I'm guessing its practitioners suffer from some kind of brittle bone disease, because nobody should be this afraid of getting hit that gently.
Chinese road rage looks like MMA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_pnWICxBrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTN1gfjfXcE
>>1200550
>wrestling
It's not even wrestling. It's mandrama. Actual collegiate or Olympic wrestlers would destroy WWE stars. But nobody has to worry about that, because "wrestling" is basically just a live stuntman show, and has literally nothing to do with actual fighting.
>>1211024
>Actual collegiate or Olympic wrestlers would destroy WWE stars.
>>1210958
>In first video they stop fighting and start arguing like nothing happened
>>1177572
How heavy is that bag
So I just signed up for a gym that teaches both MT and BJJ, pretty sweet deal. Besides attending all the classes I can, what else can I do to git gud? Also what should I do to condition when I'm not in class?
>>1211362
>what else can I do to git gud?
Learn how to and practice mixing both MT and BJJ.
Theoretically speaking,
I have a fight in 1 week.
Let's say it's a Muay Thai fight.
What can I do to prepare for the fight so that I can increase my chances of being able to perform my best psychologically and physically, and win.
How should I eat?
How should I exercise?
Should I stop exercising?
How should I exercise?
What's this thing about loading up on carbs the day before the fight?
Will taking a lot of melatonin to help me sleep the night before negatively effect my ability to fight?
>>1208476
laugh out loud
>>1213476
These are things you should be asking your coach dude
>>1178211
>where do you guys go for online martial arts discussion?
There weren't that many people to start with. It was just TKDbrah and his multiple personalities. Now that he's left, it just seems like not as many people post on /asp/ anymore.
>>1211053
Combat is not just a battle of the body, but a battle of the mind.
>>1179146
Same
>>1173434
Keep at it! Couldn't kick above the waist when I started, after years of Savate, I can throw a kick to the head no problem! All a matter of time.
hey faggots, my university has free BJJ/judo
which to choose? i was thinking judo because im a weeb and im already learning boxing
>>1220618
when I was younger judo was much more appealing, now I'm getting a little older, have an injury or two, and I'm thinking when I go back to grappling I will give bjj a try. Not that I think one of them is superior to the other, but just so I don't get thrown as much
>>1220638
I appreciate the insight.
I think I'll forge ahead with Judo, maybe pick up BJJ at a later age. Danke.
Me and my buddy are thinking of signing up for some martial arts classes during the summer. Do these places look okay?
http://www.champma.net/
http://www.ifcmma.com/
Sorry if this is the wrong thread for this sort of stuff.
>>1221314
It really depends on what you want.
>champma
Exaggerates the benefits a lot and uses colourful language.
Specifies they have sparring.
Asian marital arts.
Wrist locks.
High level kicking.
Self defense.
Weapons.
You'll be able to do difficult and fancy kicks.
>ifcmma
Exaggerates the benefits a lot and uses colourful language.
Stereotypical MMA focus.
They also have Krav Maga so you probably work with weapons and self defense.
Muay Thai.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
Boxing.
Judo.
You'll be a more well rounded fighter.
>been secretly increasing my power level so I can beat my friend
>at class last night
>my friend just happens to walk in to check the place I go out as a complete coincidence
>whelp, busted
>he's looking to train there and wanted to watch a class
>he comes from a very strict honorabu karate school
>we are very casual
>instructor is just explaining the importance of angles when locking submissions in
>look guys, ok move [guy he's holding wiggles around] ok now watch, I just need to cut this angle a little bit and it will increase the pressure and keep him close, ok now move [guy tries to shake but is held down pretty tight]. See? he's fucked, hes not doing shit from here now
>glance over
>see my friends appalled face that there is such salty language being used on the mat
guess he's probably going to keep shopping around
>>1225333
Don't often get to see someone pull off a sorcerer in the cage. This makes me moist.
>>1225370
that I would assume is more a showing about how inept the guy on top is. I can't think of any way you are going to get both hands on the ground without sleeves unless the guy was posting on the floor instead of on your body.
>>1225373
You can grab it from an invisible collar even in a professional setting and there are several other ways into the position.
Australians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffojjbk_F_w
http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peopleandplaces/woman-puts-down-baby-so-she-can-beat-up-an-armed-robber/vi-BBs7t93?ocid=spartanntp
>>1225366
What classes are you mentioning in this story?
>>1225453
her
Form
IS
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrp-tNpKfGY
>>1225505
Why must Taekwondo kill so many trees? Are high kicks really that cool?
>>1177572
You need to work on defense more. Your hands were constantly too low and you just stood at close range and threw punch after punch without once bobbing slipping or weaving. You need to start farther away, move in to hit, and then move back. If you had a better bag I'd tell you to circle around the bag from side to side as well. You need to work on getting more snap in your punches and kicks. A lot of times it felt more like you were gently pushing the bag rather than punching it because it was coming in so slow at the point of contact. You're also retracting your arms far too slowly. Practice pulling them back to your face as fast as you can after throwing a punch. You also take way too long to set up your kicks and they're really slow. You can see them coming from a mile away. You need to make them more explosive and without warning.
I'd recommend doing some sparring because getting punched in the face a whole bunch will teach you to keep those hands up and head moving better than anything else.
Is boxing fun/a good workout?
I already do judo and lift, and did muay thai for a few years beforehand. I don't really care about self-defence, just wanna have fun and be healthy.
>>1202934
If you think double legs are stupid and would rather train judo throws, I recommend you train morote gari.
Fucking idiot.
>>1225488
jiujitsu was the class he came to watch
i miss old /asp/
>>1225797
>You need to work on defense more.
I prefer parrying.
>constantly too low
Maybe in a pure striking context depending on preference.
The head isn't the only target.
>punch after punch without once bobbing slipping or weaving
Care to elaborate?
>you need to start farther away, move in to hit, and then move back
Did you watch the videos at all?
>I'd tell you to circle around the bag from side to side
I'm not one to circle much unless my opponent circles. But even then, I may keep the direction I'm facing in order to throw my opponent off or give them a false sense of security. If my opponent tries to take my back, I could throw a turning or spinning attack. If you opponent tries to circle the other way, rear side strikes are still available.
>you need to work on getting more snap in your punches and kicks
That's your opinion.
>a lot of times if felt like you were gently pushing the bag
I was doing that a lot of the times. The point of the bag work was to get used to staying in and throwing combinations.
>also take way too long to set up your kicks
I don't think you understand the context in which I was practicing.
>and they're really slow
The point of the bag work was to practice strategy and tactics, as well as to do some cardio work without gassing myself out in the beginning.
>I'd recommend doing some sparring because getting punched in the face a whole bunch will teach you to keep those hands up and head moving better than anything.
I've sparred in a pure Boxing context plenty of times.
I've sparred in various Kickboxing contexts plenty of times.
I've sparred in various MMA contexts plenty of times.
I prefer lower hands, and using parrying and distancing rather than head movement; though, I did utilize head movement a lot during a lot of the times I did pure Boxing.
>>1225797
This post is looking like a big ball of bait.
>>1176042
I know what you mean.
I'm dong my part trying to get as much info out there for free as I can. Got more on the way. Let me know what you think;
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDNoL8MDsc-CcVykawzDN95tpG04tWsoP
>>1170129
I'm trying to find that manual that talks about boxing a sentry's ears to damage the eardrums so I can quote it to caption pic related. I don't remember who it's by, though I think it could be Fairbairn.
Also, go receive tactical enlightenment from the Dalai Lama >>>/k/29729398
>>1227410
noice thread
>>1226184
So you posted that video expecting us to line up like circus seals to slob your knob and when that didn't happen (as you really should have known beforehand) you had all those evasions for every criticism? Good show, mate. You should take it on the road.
Next you should take those videos to http://www.bullshido.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=54 and post them. They'll be really supportive.
>>1229113
lol, Anon, that's so silly! :D
lol, so silly; so silly.
You're so silly, Anon. :)
I simply like seeing how people on /asp/ fight.
We see people on /asp/ discussing fighting all the time, and we hear about what they practice.
But we rarely see them fight, or even practice.
Like connecting the discussion with the arts people have done and studied, connecting the way they fight, at least in the small amounts of time we see it in video, is part of the fun.
I just want to see people post what they do with martial arts instead of just seeing them talk about it all the time.
Some could find it hypocritical for me to want others to post themselves, but not post myself.
So, besides the joy and entertainment that I find in practicing martial arts and creating martial arts videos, I also post because it feels right.
<3
:D
lol, you're so silly.
Which Marshall Art is da scariest?
Who's P4P #1 in UFC right now? Mighty Mouse or Bones?
>>1232368
Mouse is by far the greatest UFC fighter of all time and people are finally starting to take notice.
Cejudo was the first high schooler to win U.S. Nationals and skipped college wrestling to become an Olympic gold medalist in freestyle wrestling at an incredibly young age, then he went to the UFC and cleared out the flyweights with an undefeated 10 and 0 record but it doesn't matter. Everyone knows he was dead on arrival stepping to Mouse.
Not only did Mouse leave the fight without a scratch and ended Cejudo within 2 minutes of the first round, but he won by grappling and destroyed him in a clinch! Mouse is so superior to the other fighters he BEATS THEM AT THEIR OWN GAME.
Not only that, it it literally impossible to hit Mighty Mouse. Mouse was ready to block or dodge any strike Cejudo could even think about throwing. Joe is completely sincere when he says that Mouse is like a ghost, you will never hit him.
Mouse is the only person I would be truly proud to say is a martial artist. Props to Matt "The Wizard" Hume for filling that massive Mouse brain with perfect technique and conditioning.
Fuck I'll probably even follow Mouse's twitch. That man is a god and anyone with a different opinion knows nothing about the sport.
>>1220618
BJJ is more fun imo.
>>1233956
DJ
>outwrestled an olympic wrestler
Jon Jones
>couldn't finish a southpaw with a broken left hand and a 19 day camp
>>1232247
u
h o m o
it's 'martsialts arts'
>>1232247
>>1234335
Are you sure it isn't Marital Arts?
Tips on BJJ, stepped in day 1 and had no idea what the fuck I was doing.
Learned how to do the "swimming" thing and how to push someone off you
>>1232368
Mighty Mouse is easily the best P4P fighter right now. The level of competition has been similar between Johnson and Jones, yet Johnson has come out as more dominant in all of his fights. DJ finished 5 of his last 7 fights, Jones only finished 2. DJ has almost always been the smaller fighter in both height and reach, compared to Jones having nearly a foot of reach on most of the LHW division.
And before anyone talks about how shallow the FlW division is, let's take a look at who Jones has fought to get where he is today.
Bader:18-5 in the UFC, good but not great fighter
Shogun:7-8 in the UFC. Was only 2-2 when he beat Machida for the belt, because LHW was a shallow division
Rashad:Took the belt from the weakest LHW champion and then immediately lost it to Machida
Rampage:Already had 40 pro fights when he fought Jones
Machida:Was 1-2 in the 3 fights he had before Jones. The 1 win was over a 47 year old Couture.
Vitor:Had a 25-11 lifetime record. Beat Couture for the title and lost it immediately after.
Gusstafsson:Has never beaten a guy in the top 5, put Jones on a stretcher and only lost because of a lucky spinning elbow
Cormier:The most impressive victory of Jone's career. Had only just moved down from HW and is much older than Jones.
Glover: Similar to Bader, had to be eyepoked into submission.
OSP:Had a 3 week fight camp. 3-2 in his previous 5 fights. Broke his hand in the 2nd round. Still fought Jones to a decision.
The reason Jones looks so impressive is because he fought big names, but just because they were big names didn't mean they were actually skilled. The quality of competition Jones and Johnson both have had is similar, and Johnson has done a much better job of cleaning up his division, whereas Jones has yet to fight Rumble or rematch anyone. DJ's most recent loss came at the hands of Cruz, and DJ was only training casually 3 times/week.
Fun fact: When DJ turns 31, he'll have tied or passed Silva's defence record. Silva debuted at 31.
>>1234692
Keep doing it 2-3 times a week and you'll start to get a basic idea in a couple of months.
>>1226184
>>punch after punch without once bobbing slipping or weaving
>Care to elaborate?
I think that you don't understand that bag work is supposed to be more than just hitting the bag. You're supposed to train techniques for an actual fight which means you should treat the bag almost like it was a dangerous opponent. You need to keep your distance, then step in and throw a jab or a combo and then step back out again. If you decide to stay at midrange, you need to practice slipping or parrying invisible punches because if you can hit your opponent, he can hit you, and you know damn well that he's going to be his best to You should try to work all sorts of defensive moves into your bagwork routine because By training offense and defense at the same time, you become a much better fighter because that's what you have to do in a real fight.
>>you need to start farther away, move in to hit, and then move back
>Did you watch the videos at all?
I did watch the videos (nice nunchaku skills btw) and you were spending way too much time just standing in range, sometimes while throwing punch after punch without changing your foot positions or dodging at all which is very unrealistic. Your opponent would have to be doing nothing but covering up and standing there. The speed at which you were moving when you did decide to change distance was not realistic at all in my opinion. You'd get pummeled if you moved at that speed in an actual fight.
>>and they're really slow
>The point of the bag work was to practice strategy and tactics, as well as to do some cardio work without gassing myself out in the beginning.
Fair enough I suppose, except that it really doesn't take that much more energy to throw a fast (straight) punch, it's mostly a matter of technique. It takes more energy to throw a harder punch, but almost no more energy to throw a faster punch. And if you're doing bagwork for cardio already, why not also get some real martial art practice out of it?
>>1236051
>You're supposed to train techniques for an actual fight which means you should treat the bag almost like it was a dangerous opponent.
I compartmentalize my training more. Sometimes I work on technique, sometimes I work on speed, sometimes I just exercise, some times I work mostly on strategies and tactics, other times It's some combination.
>you decided to stay at midrange
I thought I posted this in the Boxing general because of your claims, but I posted it here.
See >>1177572
>I'm usually one to stay on the outside
>I thought that makes me more predictable
>so I decided to work on throwing combinations more
>way too much time just standing in range
As stated in the previously linked post, I was doing that because of how much I don't do that while sparring and fighting.
Also, Knockdown Karate. I want to compete in amateur MMA, probably still will, but after that, I might just stick with Knockdown Karate. Personally, my favorite part of fighting is striking, and with my other plans for my life, it's best I keep my brain in the best possible shape. That's why Knockdown Karate is so appealing.
>you should try to work on defensive moves into your bag work
I've never done that because it just felt so strange. The small amounts of time I did do that, it felt like I was gaining very little compared to defending against an attack.
Defending during bag work is different from fighting in part because when I defend against strikes in a fight, it's almost always just a reaction; there has to be a stimulus that I perceive first, and then I defend against it. Even if I was expecting someone to do something, I'm still going do nothing in the means of defending said attack until the opponent does it.
However, I've previously been getting tired of the lack of defensive moves I can perform on the bag since it just doesn't strike, so even if it doesn't get me as much benefit as training with an opponent, I agree with you and will start incorporating parrying more.
1/2
>>1236051
>except that it really doesn't take that much more energy to throw a fast (straight) punch, it's mostly a matter of technique.
By mixing in slow and fast, you're taxing your body in different ways. Sprinters start off slower at first, build up speed, and then burst as quickly as they can at the end.
Distance runners do things a little differently.
Also, I gas out relatively quickly because of how I spent my time in previous years.
As posted in >>1186561
Doing things more quickly would've been more taxing on me.
>and if you're doing bagwork for cardio already, why not also get some real martial arts practice out of it?
As stated before, the main focus of the bag work that time was strategy and tactics.
It's more of a general work that's going to be longer in development, since the base of how I usually fight most of the time is staying out of range. I'm just not comfortable staying in range and standing and trading for ever long. Sure, the lack of defense goes against how I usually fight, but that's part of the strategy. Once opponents start to get to know me, they're not going to expect me to stand in there like a Boxing brawler/Kyokushin Practitioner and just take hits while dishing them out.
2/2
I might want to try out a martial art, but I don't know which one. I'm pretty /fit/, but I have no experience whatsoever with regards to any fighting sport. Used to play basketball, but shin splints fucked me.
My uni has karate, jiu-jitsu, boxing, kickboxing, judo, MMA, Krav Maga, and Systema. I think they might also have BJJ/Grappling.
What would be a good one to try out first? Which is most fun and most useful? Any advice for a total beginner? Also, which one has the least chance of fucking my shins again?
>>1199641
With spears and swords, not karate chops and pressure point bullshit.
>>1200997
>wrestlers and bjj fags winning medals in Olympic judo
Literally didn't fucking happen. Leg techniques were banned because it became part of the judo meta game to score a yuko or waza-Ari and then dive for the legs to stall until time ran out.
>>1236466
>not karate chops and
>karate chops
>karate
>>1236448
>Which is most fun?
Subjective.
>Which is most useful?
Depends.
MMA is a great choice for various reasons.
MMA incorporates striking and grappling, but also various ways to mix striking and grappling.
If you later decide you want to do striking, you'd be better off than if you were to start with a grappling art.
If you later decide you want to do grappling, you'd be better off than if you were to start with a striking art.
If you later decide you want to do self defense, you'll be better off than starting with a pure striking or pure grappling art, since self defense incorporates both striking and grappling.
MMA is better than pure grappling arts because in self defense, if you go to the ground, it only takes one other opponent to fuck your shit up, family.
MMA is better for self defense than pure striking arts because you're opponent isn't going to go up against you under honorable striking rules, grappling is a real thread, especially if the opponent took wrestling in middle school, high school, college, or was put in some martial art as a kid.
With MMA, you just need to remember to try to stay on your feet. If you happen to get grappled, you'll know what to do, unlike pure strikers a lot of the time.
Not to mention how MMA is the best base for MMA. MMA is tones of fun, it's a more well developed game because striking as well as grappling is allowed. Boxers can use all their legal moves in MMA, Kickboxers can use all their legal moves in MMA, Muay Thai practitioners can almost use all their legal moves in MMA, Knockdown Karate practitioners can use all their legal moves in MMA, wrestlers can use all their legal moves in MMA, etcetera, and then some.
It's like the difference between Galaga and Call of Duty.
>they might also have BJJ./Grappling
You know how you listed "jiu-Jitsu?"
That's BJJ.
>/Grappling
That's jiu-Jitsu, Judo, and part of MMA. Karate might also have some grappling. Pretty sure Krav Maga has grappling, not sure about Systema.
>>1236466
>pressure point bullshit.
I'm pretty sure getting your left testicle squeezed really hard hurts more than getting your left 4th metacarpal squeezed really hard.
>>1236516
thanks bruv. Any idea is MMA is hard on the shins? What is the chance of actual injury? I don't really care about getting the shit kicked out of me in training, but I don't want to tear anything or get an injury that will keep me out of training for some time (stuff like rotator cuff injuries, knee injuries, fucking you lower back, etc).
PUNCHING POWER:
Reminder
The hips help add power, but they're not the only thing.
The pectorals add speed.
Rotation of the upper body, that adds mass, but it also adds speed.
Rotation of the hips, that adds mass, which is important, but it also adds speed.
Those muscles aren't about muscling through, but about contracting quickly to generate speed, all through the pectorals, upper body, and lower body (hips).
It's not just that, no.
There's also the legs.
The legs really get that mass in there, as well as speed.
FEMA
Family
Equals
Martial
Arts
FEMA
F=MA
F = M * A
Force
Equals
Mass
Multiplied by
Acceleration
Force = Mass * Acceleration
>>1236693
FEMA
Force Equals Mass Multiplied by Acceleration
FEMMA
F
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M
M
A
F
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M
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MMA
M M A
This is connected to Mixed Martial Arts.
It's a conspiracy.
They're up to something. I can feel it!
They're up to something!
Those MMA guys have connections to science.
Science, the ancient mystical, magical, spiritual equation, the word.
The world started with a word.
God created the earth with a single word.
It's really just science.
It's science!
MMA means something! It's something important!
MMA is called MMA for a reason, and it's not what they want us to believe, no.
It's connected to the beginning of time, to the bare of what the whole universe is: science.
MMA is science, what some would call magic, or powers beyond our understanding.
The people who started this, and the people who followed after them, they know; they know the connection.
They hold power in their hands, and one day, they're going to use it.
But we can stop it, we just need to learn, to use science.
They don't deserve they're power, and they're keeping it a secret for a reason.
They can't have this power, no one can.
But someone, people, will have to partake of the power, so that it may be eliminated from our ignorant hands.
>>1232231
>I just want to see people post what they do with martial arts instead of just seeing them talk about it all the time.
This.
