Huge sneks are cute too, edition.
ye olde previous thread >>2019323
First for my gecko a cute
>>2026025
wings not required
>>2026025
retics have the most beautiful eyes and patterns
but i dont think i can handle that much snake
Alternative to a Corn Snek for a first time Snek keeper that only wants to keep 1 snek but wants it to be a cool as fuck active snek?
Anyone?
>>2026137
kingsnake for sure. My albino florida sheds almost 2 times a month, eats at every chance I offer, and has maybe regurgitated once when I made a rookie owner's mistake. all in all 10/10 snake, not as common as a corn. but still common enough to be easy to find info on. Will not go off of food like balls.
>>2026137
>>2026144
Seconded for king snek.
kings can have some of the coolest black/white combinations with selective breeding. Not as much variety in terms of colour possibility as corns (unless you cross breed them with other colubrids) but awesome patterns.
>>2026144
Professional shot of me bud
>>2026031
clean up your room nigga
>>2026025
Hey /an/, for reasons Ive got to keep my snake in a box for a bit at a friend's place. Id rather not be a bother and ask them to turn up the thermostat to the 75 degrees or so my baby would be most comfortable at, so I was considering throwing a few of those magnesium-based hothands things in there with him. Ive heard that on long trips they can suck out all the oxygen and suffocate a snake, but Id really just be giving him one to sit on in a well ventilated shoebox with a towel thrown in it.
What does /an/ think of this plan? Am I a fool or a visionary!?!?
>>2026137
depends on how active you want them to be. Balls are easier to take care of, or at least harder to kill, and are plenty active when you handle them.
>>2026218
1.why do you have to keep it in a shoebox?
2. how long do you intend to keep it there?
>>2026218
Buy heat pad for humans with temperature adjust from pharmacy. Set it on low, stick it under 1/3 of the box. Done.
>>2026218
No heat packs. Those hot hands things get way too hot. When shipping reptiles, there is a different style of heat pack you use that is designed to produce low heat and last 12-24 hours. Usually they are hard to find locally and must be ordered online.
And don't use a cardboard box. Recommend you go to camping or hardware store and purchase a styrofoam cooler (the cheap kind). Line the inside of cooler with newpaper. Drill some air holes. Tape the lid down SOLID. And I mean tape all around the edge. Do not underestimate snek ability to get out of boxes.
>>2026231
1.Basically my vet is on the other side of town and I have things to be doing that day. Long story short I need to bring my snake with me, so...
2. He'd be in this setup for probably about 12 hours tops.
>>2026232
>>2026244
>>2026232
Im not shipping him, I just need something to keep him comfy and calm for 12 hours or so while I run other errands.
>>2026275
well 12 hours, you probably don't even need to worry about it depending on what kind of snake you got
>>2026279
He's just a ball, but I figure he'd be more comfortable and less prone to trying to escape if he were warmer than 70 degrees
>>2026280
if you can, i think the styrofoam cooler is your best bet
if you can warm it up initially, it'll hold it for a while
Just got this in the mail today.
A magnetic feeding bowl and some fancy food. Nobody ever said how good this stuff smells. As soon as I added water I was blasted with fruit scent.
>>2026171
I'm not your nigga.
>>2026275
>Im not shipping him
I gathered that. Just that when putting reptile in a box with heat packs, you have to use the ones designed for that purpose. No hot hands.
>>2026293
haha, yeah. The taste isn't terrible either. It's not as sweet as you expect it to be from the smell but it's definitely far from vomit inducing gross. It's kinda like a protein shake taste.
btw, the watermelon & mango flavour smells even better than the nana & papaya.
>>2026301
I just knew my little guy likes nanners for sure and he hates the zoo med crested gecko diet. I'll buy the melon once I run out of this.
I'm hesitant on tasting it but it did cross my mind almost immediately.
>>2026304
that's because zoo med cgd a shit.
>>2026312
The people at the store said he loved it and that he ate that and crickets every day.
I knew it was a bad diet for him so I made a point of getting something better.
Once he's older I'll start feeding him crickets once a week or so. He's a lot more active than he was when I got him.
>>2026320
Definitely going to have to try that with my crestie. He is so little and I fear that if I don't hand feed him he doesn't eat. :( But I'm trying not to spoil him by hand feeding either.
The struggle.
>>2026325
Don't worry about how much he's eating... I know it's hard not to be fretting new mother about it. Baby geckos eat so little it is often hard to tell they have eaten at all.
Hey, while we're on the topic this is the list of mrp's I have tried with my colony of four (3 cresties, 1 garg) in order of best feeding response, no.1 being most universally and enthusiastically nommed by the gecks.
1. Pangea mix w/insects
2. Pangea watermelon/mango
3. Pangea banana/papaya
4. Clark's gargoyle gecko diet (the cresties like this one better than the crestie version)
5. Repashy Classic cgd
6. Clark's crested gecko
7. Repashy grubs n' fruit
8. Repashy cgd 3.0
9. Big Fat Gecko mix
>>2026035
If you get a pure or high-content super dwarf, they only max out at 8', and 6'-7' seems to be more common. SDs are becoming more and more common, so the prices have dropped a lot. Just be sure to ask about the parents' sizes and percentages to be sure you've got a pure/high-content.
>>2026025
Here's my soon-to-be giant snake. Unfortunately, all my recent photos are feeding photos. She grew a half a foot in 2-3 weeks, so I was hoping to get new photos, but I've had to work the past several days. I'll see about getting some more of her tomorrow. Large rat for scale, but as stated,she's grown a lot since this photo so this is no longer an accurate photo.
>>2026218
The hot hands get too hot, it's the 40 hour packs that are used for shipping. Not hot hands. Because they get too hot.
Suck it up and ask your friend to bump the heat, there's no excuse.
>>2026232
Terrible idea, you can't properly regulated them.
>>2026280
As long as temps aren't below 70F, you don't have to worry too awfully much about heat. It's not preferable at all, so if possible bring it up to 75F, but I doubt 12 hours at 70F will hurt it. Just be sure to warm it up slowly before putting it back in its regular enclosure.
>>2026333
I've heard of the dwarf, but its my paranoia that I'll get one that supposed to be small, and then end up with a 15 foot snake
:3
>>2026333
This, super dwarfs are a good plan.
People think a 6-8 foot snake sounds big, but it really isn't. I have an 8 foot young male retic and he's pretty thin and it's easy to forget he's like 8 feet long.
>>2026346
Boa master race. Ball python fags need not apply.
Why do people choose pacmen frogs over african bullfrogs? They're just as cheap, much more active, more wow factor if you care about that, and only need a mildy larger enclosure.
>>2026395
>much more active
that's a downside
>more wow factor
they look like a boring pile of literal shit
>and only need a mildly larger enclosure.
they're bigger and much more active, they need more than a mildly larger enclosure.
>>2026395
Pacmans have patterning and are easier to keep.
what do you do with snakes that you have to get rid of?
mine are both perfectly healthy but I am moving to a different country and won't be able to take them with me
I have a milk and a corn, both are actually native to where I live so wouldn't they be fine if I just brought them to a pond?
>>2026431
If they're used to prekilled food they might not adapt.
Try seeing if your local pet store will take them.
>>2026435
I do think you're wrong on that point though, and it seems like a pretty widespread belief because I read it everywhere, but snakes don't lose their ability to hunt, it is just instinct for them.
I'll see anyways about a pet store because it would make me feel better lol.
>>2026436
Might is the key word. I'm sure they could but I'd never risk it.
>>2026439
I never said might but ok anon
As far as pacman frogs go, is C. ornata or C. cranwelli more common in the pet trade? They damn near look the same and I don't know which kind mine is (not that it really matters, I'm just curious).
Also frogs are seriously the best amphibians to own. There are so many different kinds that behave and look so uniquely, and there are usually a lot of different looking individuals within each type. I'm in love
My leopard gecko does not swing the tail like this video.
https://youtu.be/sTBln474N3k
Or your leopard gecko will swing the tail?
>>2026035
tfw my state determines i can't handle that much snake
They only do that when they're really excited about something. Usually young geckos do it more than adults. Most common time to see the tail waggle is when a male is getting ready to mate, then the tail wiggles so fast it looks like it's vibrating.
>>2026461
Ornate is more common.
>>2026551
Think of the children, anon.
You don't want a deadly 40 foot baby killing snake on the loose do you?
>this is a thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybaSzjWMdOo
Ignoring the fact hes probably going to kill that thing from lack of husbandry its going to outgrow him within a couple years, who the fuck buys their kid an alligator.
I live around them and they come onto my property and dont bother me but buying a middleschooler an alligator is just top tier retardation
Hey /an/, guy who bought a sailfin dragon last year posting again.
If any of you remember, I bought this girl last year from some guy trying to get rid of her, and then came to find out she was extremely wild (to the point where I suspect she was wild caught, especially because he said he got her from backwaterreptiles). I was advised by /an/ to do the normal taming thing of giving her space, let her see me putting food into her enclosure, etc. It's been well over a year now and the only improvement I've seen is that she'll readily go to her food dish a little bit after I put food into it, though I think she only does it because I'm sitting at my computer and being pretty stationary.
She still flips out if I get too close to her, if she's eating and I move just a bit, such as turning around to watch her, she'll dart back up to her "safe zone".
I'm guessing there's just really nothing I can do for her besides just giving her a calm and stress-free environment?
>>2026735
...not sure why it spun my picture around...
>>2026678
yeah they wouldn't see him coming when he blends into the snow so well too.
I have a corn snake and I'm considering getting another snake now. I am thinking of something that is larger but not necessarily longer.
I'm leaning towards a ball python considering they are pretty chill and cute.
What morphs do you guys like on them and what tips can you give me?
I saw some cheap super pastels at my local shop and a blue eyed leucistic but thats extremely expensive.
>>2026692
What the fuck. What even
>>2026663
Okay that's what I figured. I just became unsure when I looked through a breeder's webpage and saw that they bred only C. cranwelli and C. cornuta
What can i do in terms of lighting up a snake cage during the day. Can i use a red or blue at bulb on the same end of my heat pad, what about a uvb bulb (even though this wont really help them, but it shouldn't hurt them)
>>2026814
Unless your species requires UVB, don't use it. Go with the regular or red heat bulb on the hot end of the enclosure
>>2026821
would that make my hot end to hot for my snake if i still have my heat mat on?
>>2026785
Realistically speaking, the differences are negligible and a lot are hybridized to some degree.
>>2026144
>>2026147
>>2026219
Thanks for the response guys.
What do you think of the Mexican Black Kingsnake as a start snake?
I do not plan on getting anymore snakes only a 2nd for them to breed in the future.
Opinions?
>>2026835
Dont breed animals unless you know how to keep a lineage and you have the means to keep them if you cant sell them.
>>2026823
You should know what temperature your snake needs for its hot side. Add the lamp, and if it's too hot, then don't go with it.
I want to get a red tail boa but im not sure how to handle a snake that could possibly get bigger than me. Any tips on handling and care? I've owned corns and ball pythons in the past so i have experience.
>>2026865
If you dont think you can handle it you probaby cant.
A rainbow boa is a smaller and still beautiful.
>>2026865
I started with corns aswell, then got a full grown constrictor from a friend, she's around 2.6m now, and ridiculously easy to handle. She's got some weight to her, and I gotta watch out not to drop her if I have her around my shoulders or neck, because she's kinda clumsy at time and doesn't really hold on to me well. Also, you don't really notice the length that much, rolled up she's kinda the size of a cat/small dog.
And my boa is also super friendly, but I have no idea if that's the usual thing, though I personally have not heard of people with really angry boas.
>>2026891
pic while shedding for reference
>>2026840
I have and do breed all varieties of birds and understand about genetics, lineage and care for the offspring.
In that sense I am not and will not be irresponsible.
Is the Mexican Black (as a species) any different from your average king snake care?
>>2026896
Last I checked they like it hotter than most other species (85-90F during the day)
Otherwise they're pretty much the same
>>2026901
So if I were to get a 4ft Viv what area should the heat mat cover?
Is half the area correct?
>>2026903
Sounds about right.
>>2026905
So 4ft viv with a 2ft matt - substrate, feeding/water bowls, thermometer and hydrometer, hide and decorations and I should be fine.
Feed it frozen mice/rats relative to snake size.
Spot clean daily and change water daily.
Clean/disinfect once a month.
Feed biweekly/weekly/fortnightly depending on snake size.
Life is good?
>>2026906
And handle it at least 3 days after feeding or before feeding for exercise?
>>2026910
Sweet.
Thanks dude :)
Any one ever see a legless lizard in person? The seem kind of cool but they don't live this far north. The coolest wild reptile I have seen in my state is a ring neck snake.
>>2026922
I live in Europe. I frequently see them in my garden.
>>2026871
Are they also different in behavior or just smaller version of a red tail pretty much?
>>2026928
Rainbow boas are harder to tame, but they act pretty much the same afterwards.
>>2026927
>slow worm
Is that really what they get called there? Also how different do they act compared to snakes? I can tell them apart visually from their eyes and ears but do they behave differently?
Also what part of Europe? Wasn't aware if there were any that could survive particularly cold winters.
I snapped a pic of Fronk mid-shed. Not the best, but enjoy.
>>2026963
That is an awesome tank. Do you have more pics?
>>2026965
i would like to see some enclosures as well, especially if anyone has any good snake enclosures.
Seems impossible to find a MBK in the UK
Any opinions on what finish vivarium to get?
Tending towards walnut.
>>2026978
I like the middle one
>>2026973
That sucks, were you the guy looking for suggestions?
Another good snake other than the king snakes is a western hognose snake. Pretty cool looking animals.
>>2026978
bottom one is best
>>2026980
>>2026991
>>2026995
I have kind of settled on the MBK there are maybe 3 or so available from some petshops will wait for a good one of a good age.
I have another questions.
For a 3+ year old MBK what size viv should I get him. I do not really want to upgrade.
Vivexotic seem to have some good ones.
http://www.reptiles.swelluk.com/reptile-supplies/vivariums-416/compact-vivariums--1310/vivexotic-repti-home-maxi-vivarium-xl-beech-414239.html
I am thinking of getting this its is 4.5ft across and 1.7ft up and back.
I have heard that snakes might get stressed in a large viv but I do not really want to end up buying two different sized vivsas the snake gets older.
I would look to get one that is 3 or 4 years old or more.
>>2026999
put plenty of hides throughout the vivarium and the snake will be fine.
As long as it can move about and stay hidden it should be fine
>MBK
poor man's black milk
>>2026337
That's where viewing the parents and asking for percentages come in. If you get a pure super dwarf, they shouldn't exceed 9', however you feed them. And even an 11' retic doesn't seem all that big. My retic is 4.5' but looks 3', and a 9' retic looks 6' until you stretch it out.
>>2026357
Yeah I've seen people with their retics, and I'd guess them to be 6'-7' long, but they stretch them out and they're actually like 10'. Keep them in shape, and their size is really misleading.
>>2026738
Probably because it was taken that way. If you have Microsoft, try viewing the Live version. Switching it around there should fix the photo-spinning thing. Works for me, anyways.
>>2026814
UVB isn't necessary, but it won't hurt them either. Snakes can actually see UVB, so providing UVB can enrich them since they are able to see everything the way they'd normally be able to see. Kinda like giving glasses to something with bad eyesight.
Other than that, just a regular white light on a timer to be on 12 hours a day is sufficient.
>>2026930
Not true. Many start out docile. They can be kinda nippy as babies, but that's true for any other species. My first BRB didn't need to be "tamed," my second one liked to put on a show but she was all bark and no bite, and the majority of people I see are always like "I'd heard about how nippy they are, so I'm surprised mine is so docile!" There are probably plenty of nippy babies, but they don't deserve the reputation of being inherently nippy, as babies or otherwise. I won't be getting my other two until spring, but I doubt they'll be all that defensive either.
Pic related is my first BRB, he's gonna be 17 months in a few weeks.
>>2026771
I like the spider variations, its too bad about the wobble that sometimes comes with it
Pieds and leucistics are very pretty, but also very expensive
>>2027008
Hard enough to find MBK's here let alone Black Milks
>>2027020
so you're poor.
>>2027023
I don't understand?
>>2027007
Thanks that makes sense :D
>>2026823
If you don't want to raise temperature just use LEDs for daytime lighting.
Always use a thermostat to regulate your heat mat, folks. This is what happens when you don't. RIP my security deposit.
>>2026978
Depends on the colour of your herp. Light herp, dark viv. Dark herp, light viv. This is a mistake I have made in the past with decor choices too. Dark on dark makes it hard to see your pet sometimes.
>>2027083
Yikes.
>>2027028
yeah the only Pangea flavor that is a little hit and miss with my geckos is the apricot. With that one they either love it or won't touch it.
>>2027112
30g is more than enough for a pacman.
How good would a crestie do in a planted vivarium? I guess it would be more like two plants in a dirt substrate and some other fake decorations, like suction cup wall vines. I have two plants that I bought and I need to find a way to increase the regular humidity of my baby gecko's bin. It would also be a relief to not have to worry so much about the pooping.
>>2027124
Planted tanks work well for them. Check Google for 'gecko safe plants' to make sure your plants aren't toxic to them. Make a drainage layer of bio balls or clean large aquarium gravel, put vinyl screen on top, then substrate on that. Stick in plants. Put daytime light on a timer for 12 hours on so the plants don't die. Optionally add a culture of springtails. If done right, pretty much the only thing you need to clean from then on is food bowls, decor, and the glass walls.
>>2027124
He'll do great. You'll want to make sure that you have springtails and/or isopods in order for the poop to be broken down, but those are easily obtainable online.
>>2027083
That's why I always elevate my tanks, even if it's just with a couple of wooden planks on either side
>>2027138
Here. This has a bunch of stuff on making backgrounds too. Skip to the part about substrate.
https://joshsfrogs.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201197407-How-do-I-make-a-Crested-Gecko-Vivarium-or-Living-Terrarium-
>>2027083
It still amazes me that with all the emphasis people put on using thermostats, people still refuse to use them. Dimmers and rheostats simply aren't enough.
Where do you guys buy enclosures? I need a tank for a pixie and building something that retains humidity is too far out of my pleb hands.
Something between 30-40 gallons, don't need much vertical space, etc.
>>2027157
craigslist
>>2027157
Target, in the big ass plastic bin section.
Just take a soldering gun to it and melt some holes, less ventilation the longer it takes to dry out.
>>2027155
It just has to be something that has some airflow and doesn't absorb water. For aquarium gravel the kind to use is the large pebble variety so there is some gaps for air to move between. The whole point is to prevent the roots of your plants from being waterlogged.
>>2027152
My damage is from not using one for a week while I waited for the thermostat to come in the mail. Should have been less impatient, my floor suffered for it. I'm surprised the sterlite tub didn't melt.
>>2027171
Depending on the species, it may have been better to not use one at all until came in.
It's possible the surface had a lower threshold than the tub, and it didn't even burn the wood, just the chemicals on top. I'm not sure. Most tubs have a very high temperature threshold before they begin to warp/melt. The lids seem to be less resistant, though.
>>2027023
Would you perhaps be interested in some rare magic beans I have for sale?
Totally unique and one of a kind perfect for showing off how superior you are to everyone else.
Ill make you a good offer :D
P.S Milk Snakes lack a neck and look kinda awkward to me without a defined head but that is personal preference in the end.
>>2027132
this, just buy 2 bricks it's like a dollar
I just bought my crested gecko some plants.
I bought:
Purple passion
A money tree
A dracaena
I saw him on the money tree already.
>>2026025
My albino Florida king eating his New Year's Eve dinner. 1 fuzzy mouse, first time eating one (usually do 2 pinkies). I think he did pretty good, legs were the on hard part for him but he got em!
>>2027381
Cheeky dude rattled his tail at me, kinda cool never seen him do that
>>2027386
He's like
>Fuck off it's mine
>>2027390
Thank god I'm not insane and don't bother him much than snapping a photo or two flashless. I love my little tube dude
>>2027381
>not slathering it with beef gravy for the holidays
>>2027416
I'd love if the reptile threads would get more lively again. It has been dreadfully slow lately
this entire board is dreadfully slow
>>2027431
The posters are even slower.
Chilling with my friends bearded
>>2027431
There was a skeleton thread on /wsg/ that lasted an entire year
Reached image limit right before october and a new one was made irrc
Totally pissed off right now.
So I got home from work to see my leopard gecko relaxing on his basking spot. This was a great time to get him to eat for the first time in 4 weeks.
So I drop a superworm in there, he notices it and is about to go for it. Suddenly outside my door my family starts screaming about how theres pizza here. They successfully scared the shit out of my leopard gecko.
His hunger strike continues because of my family. Just great.
>>2027682
just leave some roaches in there.
god fucking dammit /an/ im so stressed trying to find out about snake care. For the last few days i've been trying to understand proper heating for snakes and its so fucking hard to follow along. I had a leopard gecko and a bearded dragon growing up so i have experience with reptiles but i can't fucking remember shit about caring for them and it seems like i did it wrong. What i did was i would have two 12 hour cycles, day time with the basking light, night time with the heat pad both of these placed on the same side. But when im reading snakes it seems like i need both a red bulb and heat pad at the same time on a thermostat and at night just use the heat pad also on thermostat but i have no idea how to run the probe to not show the wire on the side of the tank or even if i should put it inside the tanks bottom, and how i can avoid the snake hurting himself on it. Not to mention i should use a pvc cage for a ball python to keep humidity up but these fucking pvc cages, i have no idea where i can put a fucking heat bulb or pad BEAUSE THESE MANUFACTURES DONT SHOW PICTURES OR INCLUDED DESCRIPTIONS. So in the end here is what I want to do, it might not be the "best" or "perfect" way but it makes the most sense
Ball Python enclosures
20 gallon glass tank
heat pad that covers one third of the tank on one end and the heat lamp on the same end
UVB fluorescent for extra lighting
aspen bedding
plenty of nice hides for a small guy in a large tank
good size dog water dish on cool end
Test out some bulbs to figure out how to get a 90 basking spot
set a timer for light on 12 hour cycle and heat pad on 12 hour cycle
buy a mister and spray in the morning and when i get home along with refill water dish to get 70% humidity.
Make adjustments for different breeds of snakes but follow the same general rules
am i going to kill my snake in a month doing it this way.
>>2027729
no need for lamps on your snakes Terrarium, it will do fine with just the heat pad at the correct temperature, just make sure there is a nice temperature gradient
>>2027745
so what i can basically do is keep the UVB for general lighting and keep the pad on 24 hour, is there a max temp for these matts or is it basically im going to need a thermostat. where the hell do i put the probe for the thermostat.
>>2027729
I'd advise heat tape for PVC, heat pads aren't always strong enough to heat through the plastic. Also, the heat pads aren't big enough. Heat tape is cheaper, more reliable, and heats stronger.
Probe goes outside the enclosure, in between the heat tape and the bottom of the enclosure. That's why there's probe shapes cut out on the bottom of the cage. At least, Animal Plastics does this.
20 gallons is not big enough fro an adult ball python, would be ok for a baby, but once they hit a year they'll be way too big.
I'd advise a CHE over a heat bulb that produces light.
UVB isn't necessary for snakes, they get all of their nutrients from their food. UVB is good for enrichment, but isn't necessary for health.
Any bedding that holds humidity. If you're using a tank, aspen will not be good enough to provide proper humidity.
You need a thermostat for all heating elements, bulbs or otherwise. If a bulb is strictly for providing light and no heat, it should be on a timer for 12 hours.
No need for misters with the proper set up, and a mister system cannot compare to properly-provided humidity. Misters provide wetness, not humidity.
>>2026025
I love snakes dead, muhhhaaahahahahaha!
Good afternoon
I have an aquarium i haven't used in years and i'd like to know if i can house a ball python in it.
Its 1 meter long with 30 cm wide
>>2027922
not an adult one
>>2027923
Alright, how big do i need the enclosure then?
>>2027925
120 x 60 x 60 would be a good size
>>2027926
Thank you very much, ill keep it in the aquarium until it grows up and then ill put it in the larger one
>>2027927
My local shops don't have such large terrariums apparently
Do you guys know some european brand or store where i could go look for one
i have my ball python momo in with my new miamia corn snake i got for christmas. so far they are getting along well in a 20 gallon long ^^ i hope they can be friends forever because they look cute so together!
>>2027947
bait
>>2027937
Order one from a reptile site.
>>2028149
yeah that's where i looked, but my country doesn't have many and the terrariums there are max 90cm.
I'd have to order from an european store since i dont want to deal with customs
>>2028151
You could always build one. There are many guides online
Here is one of them
https://www.beardeddragon.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=171697
>>2028151
90cm x 45cm x (whatever height) is okay for an adult ball python. Only if you end up with an especially large female will that be a little small.
>>2028199
Oh okay then
Might still be a better idea to build one as it may be cheaper
>>2028172
tip i have found for saving a little time in exchange for a little bit of extra money with DIY is to buy a kitchen cabinet section. those come in good terrarium sizes, like 36 wide x 24 deep. Then all you need to do is change out the back panel for wood and install glass/acrylic on the front.
>>2027124
Had my guy since August in a planted viv, he's pretty content from what I can see the only none bio thing in there is the arboreal food tray, the thermometer and hygrometer.
When I get more reptiles I'll be doing what I did with Gus and making sure they have as close to a natural habitat as possible.
Pic related.
>Tfw buying rat pups at a local pet shop
>ask for rat fuzzies
>fat dyke assistant manager says they don't sell them
>see a cage with rat fuzzies and price written on the cage
Honestly I'm fed up with my local pet shop, I even brought up that they had fuzzies and they said it didn't matter, like the difference between a fuzzy and a pink is like a week, there is literally no reason not to sell them.
>>2028246
>be me
>needed live anoles to kickstart rare species of baby snakes' appetite
>literally the only thing they will eat according to books and anecdotal evidences
>had to resort to petco
>"do you have a cage setup for them?"
>reply they will be food
>get lectured by a fat 16 year old girl how they don't need anoles
>had to drive out of the city to go to another petco
>>2028251
Honestly, just sell me my fucking food, I had to feed rat pinks despite my bp needing a rat about twice as big
>>2028246
>local pet shop named paw paws pets
>buy rats for my 8' columbian redtail
>after the ~4th rat they ask me what I'm buying them for
>Tell them for snek
>they print a picture out of my from security camera and tape it behind counter with a "dont sell this man rats" label printed out because they only sell pet rats
>they end up going out of business like 2 years later
my dumb bitch of a snake still refuses to eat anything other than live food
>>2028260
>This man is trying to feed his pets, don't let him do it!
Holy fuck, how did they ever stay in business for that long?
>>2028251
>>2028260
>>2028270
>Local pet shop
>Grab a super cheap adult guinea pig on sale
>Some chick was moving into appartment, couldn't keep it, yadda yadda
>Small place, staff all know me and my Boa
>They know what it's for, the don't give a fuck
>In my little critter cage, paying for it
>These two little underage bitches stop cooing at the puppies at the "hamster" I have
>"OMG it's so cute. What's its name?"
>"Dinner" I reply.
>One girl looked like I just siphoned the contents of a fresh fetus like Christopher reeves in south park
>The other girl just called me a jerk and walked away
>The store owner was suppressing laughter and called me a dick when they left
>This fat bastard who handles the herps was audibly laughing in the back of the store
Small shops are the best shops.
>>2028278
Ha! This sort of thing happens sometimes when I buy feeders too. Even frozen ones. I think maybe a lot of people don't know what snakes eat.
>>2028251
what snake?
>>2028370
Jamaican boas.
>>2028389
Meant to highlight only the second one, didn't see the first one, sorry anon.
>>2028389
>You do realize Guinea pigs aren't a suitable food for boas, right? Like even one feeding is way too much. How overweight is your boa right now?
Not that anon, but you do realize boa constrictors have a more varied diet in the wild than the european lab rats we give them in captivity right? The whole "only give them rats" thing is something we humans imposed on these animals out of convenience more than anything - they're even known to eat Ocelots back where they're from.
I want to make sure and change my previous question a bit.
With enough hides will a baby Mexican Black King Snake be ok in a 4.5ft x 1.5ft x 1.5ft viv?
Will the heat pad (2ft heat pad) be too large for the young snake and kinda burn it out or should i just set a lower temp?
>>2028400
General rules of thumb for snek tank is 1 sq ft per 1 foot of snek. 1/3 to 1/2 of tank heated. Hides on the hot side and cold side. It's preferred that the hides are similar so the snake doesn't have to decide on a favorite.
>>2028395
Genetically CB snakes (and other animals) are often far removed (or modified) from their wild counterparts.
>>2028403
I understand that as a minimum but is that a maximum as well?
>>2028404
>Genetically CB snakes (and other animals) are often far removed (or modified) from their wild counterparts.
If you're talking about color mutations that were manipulated in captivity, you're right. If you're talking about physiological properties including their digestive systems, you're way off.
>>2028403
wait even for something like a ball?
>>2028400
Make sure you have a lot of decor and hide spots throughout the cage. That's an awesome sized cage for an adult sized snake of that species, but for a baby it might be a little bit too big. Make sure it won't feel exposed and insecure due to any "dead space".
>>2028403
>>2028424
It really depends on whether the snake is a sedentary type, like a ball python which is an ambush predator or an active colubrid with large territorial coverages, like an eastern indigo.
>tfw my bp learned to escape his terrarium
i found him by my room heater.
>>2028412
I mean the idea that because they ate it in the wild it is a negative thing that it is not provided in captivity is in general not the best approach to diet.
>Exo-Tera 18x36x12 (Depth, Length, & height respectively) for an adult possibly male pixie frog?
Never had that big of a frog. I'm probably gonna customize it to be a half and half terrarium do divide the dirt and water. Would the tank be fine to start with?
>>2028432
Thanks
I did not want to get a smaller viv just to then go and buy a bigger one later.
Ill put several hides around the place with low hanging silk plants and a lot of cover.
Is Aspen the generally accepted bedding?
Im thinking about making the viv look real nice and silk plants and jungle look does not seem too nice to me. I would have thought a more rocky look with a finer bedding (to mimic sand) would look quite nice I just don't know how suitable it is for the MBK.
>>2028447
Your point here seems disjointed, but I'll try my best to understand what you're saying.
>I mean the idea that because they ate it in the wild it is a negative thing that it is not provided in captivity is in general not the best approach to diet.
I never insinuated one way or another what they reportedly eat in the wild is a negative thing. I still don't know what exactly you're telling me in your latter point, but the point is these animals have evolved to eat what they seem fit. They're more generalists than specialists; they eat small to medium mammals and other reptiles and do not stick to eating rats. For you to be thinking eating one guinea pig is too much for them is absurd in my opinion. By no means am I advocating guinea pigs as part of a regular diet since they are very high in fat, but certainly for an animal that can take down an ocelot, small deer and porcupines, I don't see it as absolutely detrimental as you think.
>>2028450
Aspen is fine. The only thing to watch out for is they're quick to mold if it gets wet and there isn't enough ventilation. I don't know what your cage looks like and how much airflow it has, so keep that in mind come shedding time and you're spraying down the cage.
IF your snake seems stressed and refuses to feed, feel free to get a much smaller plastic bin for it as a temporary solution. It's boring and sterile looking, but it will help in settling down your new snake. MBKs are hardy and it should be fine, I think. I've kept hatchling indigo snakes in 4x2x2 before without a problem with coconut fiber mixed with sand and cork barks for hides.
>>2028467
Ah I agree with you as a part of a balanced diet just not to go into thinking that captive breds can switch from their current diet to a wild one without issues would be wrong. As you said its a matter of balance.
>>2028448
Yes that will be ample space for your froggy friend.
>>2028475
I don't think there would be digestive issues for captive bred and born boa constrictors to consume what their ancestors ate in the wild. These snakes have evolved in a certain way over the years and integral functions such as digestive systems do not dissipate that easily, over the mere decades of being in captivity. I truly think it's a matter of convenience for us people to feed them what's being industrialized at a large scale as "snake food". I'm guilty of it too, I mostly feed my snakes rodent prey items, but for certain species I'll incorporate chicks and fish into their diet without any trouble at all, despite their dam, sire, grand dam, and grand sires only ever eating rodents according to the breeder I got them from.
Any tips for getting a ball python used to handling? The guy who had her before kept her in subpar conditions and handled her poorly, so now she's rather nippy.
She's only six months old.
>>2028521
Put your hand in the tank every day or every other day for fiften minutes and let snake smell you. After a while snake will come out and investigate. Then maybe will try to climb your arm. It takes a little while to regain a snake's trust after previous bad experiences but it can be done. Basically you're just trying to communicate to the snake that you are not aggressive and will not try to eat or hurt it.
>>2028216
He's adorable.
What plant is that with the pink? Do you have any suggestions for vines and stuff?
All I have that's real is purple passion and a dracaena. And the rocks and driftwood.
>>2028596
>>2028216
Also, how old is he?
So, I've been unknowingly breeding dubia roaches in my closet and this dude's growing on me.
>>2028621
>Getting attached to the feeder animals
I really fucking know what that feels like. Dubai's are so slow, can't climb, don't make racket. They're just so helpless. They incite so much less of a "kill it with fire" reaction that I get when I see a fucking cockroach that's fast and climbing up my wall and shit.
>>2028632
They eat oranges and bananas. How the FUCK am I supposed to stick a toothpick up their arse like my friend does?
>mfw I can't make dubia kebabs for my geckos like my friend does
Gonna post some frog tanks and stuff I saw at the aquarium today.
Poison dart from enclosure with guppies in the water.
Saw these guys chilling in the corner of there open area exhibit. Really humid in that room.
Tanks that are both water and land I have always found to be beutiful. I really wish I could find a tank design that comes with a drain on bottom that I could open up to drain the liquid and then put water in some tube that goes right back into the tank without disturbing the layout too much. Hell a tank like that for aquariums would be great also for water changes.
Got a picture of this smug imposter pepe.
Sadly it was hard to get any pics if any real pepe.
>>2028656
They exist. Look into bioactives.
Here's the cane toad exhibit.
Little pepe was actually a huge pepe.
This was a really cool tank.
It's kind of a slope and your basically able to look right down into it.
I think it was called a claw frog that was in here.
Here is one with that pacman horn frog type.
Can't remember what frog was in here.
My father is terrified of him for some reason. Who could be afraid of this grumpy old face!? king zilla is my lizard bro.
>>2028680
>Afraid of bearded dragons
Puppies of the reptile world.
>>2026346
What a beautiful animal
>>2026896
mbks are the cutest little fucks
>>2028596
It's a pink nerve plant, looks pretty cool but it grows like crazy for some reason so I'm forever pruning it haha.
As with any animal I've had I like to keep everything as natural as possible so I'd say get some grapevine and cork bark hollows (Crested Geckos love the fuck out of cork bark).
I believe he's only a few months old, I got him in August when he was pretty new to the world, looking forward to seeing his growth spurt.
>>2028395
You do realize their diet is mostly birds, which have little to no fat right? Guinea pigs are higher in fat than a jumbo rat, and jumbo rats are terrible enough as it as well.
The diet of a boa is virtually fat-free, and they have become very sensitive to high levels of fat in their diet. Having too much fat in their diet will kill them, even if it takes 6 years and one 3+ month fast to do it.
Fatty food is a big no-no with boa constrictors, they cannot process it properly and they are incredibly prone to fatty liver disease.
Perfectly a-ok foods for adult boas: large rats MAXIMUM size (no jumbos), rabbits, quail, other safe birds, etc.
I'm not here to set a strict "rat only" diet, but that doesn't change how terrible of a food source Guinea pigs are, even in a varied diet I'd steer far away from them.
>>2028736
I fed him a single Guinea pig because it was on sale. He eats a big meal once a month on a diet of mostly large rats, an occasional rabbit, and reject chickens from the local farm. It's not going to kill him, sperg.
>>2028758
No, but it's still unhealthy, and it's quite common boas will regurgitate Guinea pigs because of their coarse fur.
>>2028736
>You do realize their diet is mostly birds, which have little to no fat right?
you're incorrect. boa constrictors, as i mentioned are food generalists, meaning they do not have specific diet and will eat what they can capture. they eat small to medium mammals, birds, bats, and reptiles. you're also incorrect in assuming birds have little to no fat. it depends on the species of the birds, but for example please feel free to refer to the Day Old Chicken crude fat % vs. mice and rats. you're thinking of lean chicken breasts, but in actuality birds can be quite fatty as well. are you thinking boa constrictors will say "oh that species of bird is too high in fat, so i can't eat that"?.
University of Michigan source:
http://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Boa_constrictor/#food_habits
>Guinea pigs are higher in fat than a jumbo rat, and jumbo rats are terrible enough as it as well.
I'm already aware guinea pigs are higher in fat than regular european lab rats we give them, which is something i already mentioned here
>>2028467
>The diet of a boa is virtually fat-free, and they have become very sensitive to high levels of fat in their diet. Having too much fat in their diet will kill them, even if it takes 6 years and one 3+ month fast to do it.
you're literally talking out of your ass and i'll explain why below.
>Fatty food is a big no-no with boa constrictors, they cannot process it properly and they are incredibly prone to fatty liver disease.
>Perfectly a-ok foods for adult boas: large rats MAXIMUM size (no jumbos), rabbits, quail, other safe birds, etc.
let's compare the %crude fat of large rats vs. guinea pigs
Guinea pig 46.1%
Large rat 32.6%
if boa constrictors were absolutely sensitive to fatty foods as you seem to think, they all would have died in captivity a long time ago. it's a good thing what you're saying is simply not true.
Source:
http://www.rodentpro.com/qpage_articles_03.asp
Still can't get my female boa to try rats. I tried dipping them in boiling water, braining them, etc. Nothing works for her. I'm going to try getting some mouse droppings and used litter and rolling the rat in it, but if that doesn't work, what do?
The male has now outpaced the female by a whopping 50 grams even though the female was 30g heavier than him when i got her simply because she doesn't eat as reliably.
>>2028767
Not arguing one side or the other just to say that the data is given in %percentages so comparisons are not necessarily absolute given size differences.
>>2028767
(continued)
>I'm not here to set a strict "rat only" diet, but that doesn't change how terrible of a food source Guinea pigs are, even in a varied diet I'd steer far away from them.
a medium sized guinea pig vs. a large sized rat have similar amount of fat content. having said that, since guinea pigs here would have less protein. no real reason to "steer far away from them", once in a while a slightly less protein combination wouldn't be as detrimental as you think.
Ok all autism aside. I live in a ~120 year old home so, naturally it's 40 degrees outside and maybe low 60s inside. My albino King's (which is peppered through the threads) tank was highs of 64 and lows of 62 today... Should I be concerned? It's too young to be breeding so I think cooling Isn't a concern, but this is the first time I haven't been able to keep up the because of the rapid temperature drop in my area.
>>2028787
what kind of "albino king" is it? california?
>>2028817
Florida
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>>2028787
>Ok all autism aside
kek. i apologize for my elongated responses as seen above. it would be normal for your Florida kingsnake to dip into 60s during winter for breeding purposes. Many breeders will do this on purpose when they are of course to incite such behaviors. If it stay there consistently, it will go into a brumation/hibernation stage where it will slow down its activity including food consumption to completely ceasing all activities. I wouldn't worry too much.
>>2028823
Thanks family. Let's get it snekky in here.
Dudes got a morsel in his mouth.
>>2028727
My local pet store has a box full of cork bark and I'll see if I can find some pink nerve online for sure. I like plants that grow like crazy.
>>2028688
Right ? That what I told him
Today I checked my crested geckos food bowl to change it and it was almost entirely empty. I made more than i usually would by accident too. He ate it all in the timeframe he'd barely scratch the zoo med stuff.
Is this good, or should I offer less food? Is there a risk of a juvenile crested gecko getting obese from being offered too much food? I make sure he exercises every day when I handle him.
If humidity is low where i live is it ok to keep my ball python with sphagnum moss as substract or should i just make a hide with it
>>2028943
You shouldn't own a fucking snake if you can't spell substrate.
>>2028655
Lower their protein intake, they're pyramiding like crazy!
>>2028921
Nah that's fine. There's no issue with obesity in growing crested geckos. It's only when they are adults that you sometimes have to cut back on their food to keep them at a healthy weight.
>>2028995
Not that anon but I thought pyramiding was caused by low humidity
Hello Once Again,
I am currently nearing checkout for the Mexican Black KSnake habitat and I have an issue with the bedding.
Aspen is kinda ugly and I don't think it will look to great. I know that MBK's are from the Sonora desert and a desert-esque habitat would be nice. I have also read that sand is not a good thing for snakes?
Now Zoo-Med seem to do a nice repti-sand and they seem to be a good brand. Would it be ok for my MBK to have a zoo-med repti-sand bedding?
That is all.
Thanks.
>>2029096
Just use fucking aspen. Of course you will be using a Heating pad, packed aspen will reduce direct heating and the snake will love to burrow because snakes like that. California isn't a desert like you think, think like Chappral not barren sand land.
>>2029100
>Dat shit ugly tho.
Nothing else that would be near as good and not hurt the snake?
Aspen reminds me of hamsters.
>>2029102
Newspaper? It doesn't matter what you think, it matters that it doesn't kill or maim a living creature.
>>2029106
Yes that is true and the health of the snake comes first so I will not put anything dangerous. I am just looking for alternatives to Aspen which at the least is darker and smaller and less hamstery.
Since we're on the subject of substrate...
I just did a 1 inch layer of fir bark chips + 1 1/2 inches of aspen shavings and my BP is loving it; never seen a snake burrow so hard in their lives.
As the substrate thing is kind of Aspen only for now I have a question about heating.
Heat mats and wood vivs seem to be bad together...would an AHS heater be pro?
>>2029142
Heat tape + electronic thermostat + sterilite bin rack set-up if you want the ultimate piece of mind.
On wood vivariums, it depends on the wood the vivarium is made of.
I'm not a fan of overhead lamps as heaters because they zap moisture terribly.
Of course, it depends on the species you're trying to house. I only deal with species that need belly heat, so.
(I hate heat mats, they have a nasty tendency to fail and burn whatever is underneath. Just check Herps N Derps' picture above.)
>>2029145
For an MBK the viv is chipboard with a finish on it I believe.
Is heat tape the same as heat cables?
As it is a large viv it would prob have to be a mat but with mats do they give any heat downwards or is it only upwards.
If i were to go with a mat i think I would put it sandwiched between some sort of cork or insulation sheets inside the bottom of the viv.
Does that sound about right.
Literally been spending an hour going through all sorts of heating options in circles :D
P.S.
Any opinions on using a waterfall feature as a source of water as opposed to a bowl?
Assuming it wont spill over into the substrate?
should I cop crested gecko with cage for $50?
>>2029173
That's a good price.
>>2029096
Eco Earth. You could even do an Eco Earth/sand or Eco Earth/dirt mix.
>>2029173
I work in a pet store in the UK, I think our young cresties are like £30 upwards, the enclosures we sell are at least £50 (for a very basic one) let alone the heating and decor
>>2028768
Get a mouse and a rat and rub the mouse on the rat. It worked for me
>>2029152
bad idea. impossible to keep clean. with a snake you want to be cleaning that water bowl every three days minimum. it just isn't practical.
worry more about good husbandry and less about fancy decor, especially if this is your first snake.
To kingsnake guy with the aspen: Look at cypress mulch, its a pretty common substrate for snakes as well. Also DO NOT get crushed walnut shells, its even worse than sand
>>2029224
I don't think I'ver heard of using sphagnum as a full substrate except for maybe herps that need like 100% humidity all the time
Just put some in a hide box, they'll use it
>>2029202
I thought that earth would be quite bad as its so small there is a good chance the snake might swallow too much?
There was a forum post about someone's snake missing the mouse and getting a mouthful of the stuff.
>>2029269
Yeah I guess it was too hopeful.
There is that "viperkeeper" guy on youtube that hand-waters all his snakes as a relatively good bonding mechanism. I guess that could be an option if there is time.
>>2029270
Ok not walnut shells.
I think I will go with a mix of mostly small beech chips with some aspen mixed in (if the beech chips get in the way of burrowing).
>>2029273
if you're using beech make sure to feed your snake outside the tank. just use a plastic tub with paper towel for feeding.
>>2028767
They are generalists, but birds still make up a majority of their diet.
They'll eat whatever they can, doesn't mean it's not good for them, and the impacts of a fatty diet is well known and studied in boa constrictors, and the tendency towards fatty liver disease has been observed in most, if not all, boa species. I am not talking out of my ass when it's a very well known, common phenomena for boas to die early when fed too much. I am not talking out of my ass when even ball pythons, a species generally seen to be able to be fed like a dumpster, are also having increased instances of fatty liver disease.
The thing is, boas dying from fatty liver disease IS a common occurrence. It is the #1 killer of boa constrictors in captivity.
>>2028774
No a Guinea pig has almost twice the fat of a large rat. I think you're thinking of jumbo rats, the fat content in Guinea pigs is over 10% more than even a jumbo rat. It's probably more like 30% more than a large rat.
>>2028833
Try get a cork bark hollow (like a tube of bark) Gus fucking loves it, mine has pillow moss growing on it too which makes it look awesome and help keep humidity, yeah the pink nerve plant has like tripled in size since August the other plants are more or less the same size.
He's settled in pretty well for a supposedly feisty geck. He comes out a lot more than my Eclipse girl.
>>2029341
kek. Males generally are more outgoing than females I have noticed. There are some exceptions but that's the usual tendency. My two pictus girls are split one on each side of the spectrum; one is out pretty much always, doesn't even bother using a hide to sleep; the other i see like once a month. My male crestie is crepuscular for some reason, gets up at 4pm everyday and back to sleep by 7pm. The two crestie girls are more of what i'd call conventional crestie braveness and behaviour. The garg is... well, she's a garg, meaning she's weird. Weird sleeping positions and hours, sometimes doesn't eat for two weeks then pigs out for two weeks, sometimes wide awake during the day, sometimes hides forever.
>>2029351
my male leo (RIP) was out and about for a couple hours every evening unless going in to shed.
>>2029351
>>2029352
During the summer my leo spends the entire day outside of his hides. Even slept outside of them too. Only went inside his moist hide to get ready to shed.
During the winter on the other hand, he spends almost all of his time hiding away. Only comes out to warm up on his basking spot.
>>2029273
Both my sneks have no problem with eco earth. Plus, if you have a concern about your snek ingesting substrate, use a feeder box.
Some of you guys are so fond of snakes that if you could, you would buy a Medusa for a pet.
>>2029726
would i be able to reproduce with my pet gorgon?
Tfw my snake peed in my hair just now...
