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>be devout Christian
>stop masturbating, as a sacrifice to God
>things start to go bad in life
>start masturbating daily
>things take a turn for the great
Wtf is going on? What should I do? Is the devil involved in this? is it a test? Is it God telling me it's okay to fap?
>>17260924
masturbating releases endorphins, much like sex does. your life is relatively consistent, but when you masturbate you work out a lot of stress and the problems all seem not as big or worrisome.
add in a tiny bit of coincidence and you got yourself the basis for religion.
>>17260937
interesting
>>17260924
>be devout Christian
If you was a devouted Christian, on this moment you should be worried in how to drive the Saracens out of the Holy Land and retake Constantinople to Christians hands.
>>17260967
I actually am, I'm all for a new crusade.
>>17260924
Given the state of the world today, do you think God has the time to give a good goddamn whether you play with your peepee?
>>17260967
>>17260972
>/pol/
>>17260924
The Bible doesn't actually forbid masturbating. That's Catholic teaching/tradition and isn't always correct. There are bible verses about God punishing someone for spilling his seed on the ground, but that was because he pulled out of a girl. Jerking it is fine, just be reasonable
1.hay anon, i'm going through the same situation but the effect after masturbating is the opposite, i get really empty and guilty and just wish i hadn't done it in the first place, i'm saying this because the links are probably more suited for someone like me but they might help you
2.no, God is not telling you to fap, and he is not okay with it as a life-choice. Sin repels God and invites the Devil, yes endorphins are released but what happens when you have a legitimate problem and masturbating wont make it go away? it doesn't matter how much endorphins you have in you, reality will stay as it is and it will be harder for God to intervene because your rebelling against him
3.if the feeling of wanting to fap comes back just go somewhere you would never do it and occupy our mind with something else till the feeling goes away
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfoe4Dadg3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9oaUzEU_fM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgDhpXFD9I0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF7LB3tz1WM&list=PLF6bMpb7g7_RYBh5wUnnPCLWaPDpn0eBx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GY-kpFcLbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwaXtpOrYzw
>>17260924
>>17261966
>1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.
i know the bible doesn't say ''you better not jerk off'' anywhere but it is pretty forthright about lust. op, lust is for a marriage relationship, not your imaginations
>>17262092
And immorality is adultery, incest, looking at a women with lust and probably something else I'm forgetting. I'd say porn is a serious no no, but if he wants close his eyes and jerk it that's between him and God.
>>17260924
I know no devout people who hadn't had sex out of wedlock. Most of them are massive, massive hypocrites.
You jerking off, is probably very minor.
Religious people are hilarious. They torture themselves for no good raisin for doing normal human things. For what purpose?
>>17260972
If you were truly Christian, you wouldn't be nationalist or even a patriot. Jesus condemned national borders.
>torturing yourself because of idiotic ideologies and/or beliefs
Man, every time I see this I feel so happy just for being me.
Also this >>17260937. Things going better when you fap is most likely coincidence, but masturbating does make you feel better. And feeling guilty about it or thinking it's some kind of supernatural trial is really funny to me. Too bad you're probably too brainwashed to realize just how ridiculous all of this is.
>>17262037
Two things, the act of masturbation goes to an object and not a human being, so the feeling of emptiness is present because theres no emotional response from that object. Also if you believe that masturbation resolves your problems , thats not what it does.
Plus:
The rewiring brain theory of nofap occurs in practically everything that causes pleasure or pain, making a strawman of masturbation as a bad conduct.
>>17260924
Why would he make it feel good if it was bad?
>>17262300
>making a strawman
i have no idea which anon is truly a christian or a shill or just another atheist but i just want to say this;sacrifice is a big theme and important to the christian faith. The God of Christianity expects his followers to give up as much of their life as possible and to be separate from this world (example;Jesus didn't say IF you fast, he said WHEN you fast, implying that he expects you at some point to give up food for a while to grow closer to him)
masturbation is ''bad conduct'' in Christianity because it's just you trying to please your flesh, with what God considers sin. you say the act of masturbation goes to an object but do people's minds really go blank or think of inanimate objects when they jerk off? whats the point of porn then? if your implying that the people on the screen/in the mind are just objects to the viewer, God thinks otherwise anon
>>17262295
>torturing yourself because of idiotic ideologies and beliefs
again, sacrifice is a big part of Christianity.
for many it's a deal breaker because of how much you have to give up for God. i know to an atheist that thought of ''giving up things you like'' would be a ludicrous way of achieving a better life but heres the thing; your never going to understand something that deep in the human condition because you think acting out what feels good is freedom, so of course you feel happy when you see stuff like this, your not surprising anyone.
>>17260924
op, in case the anons come back with witty retorts of how masturbating is logical an natural, and how your a fool to think otherwise, please know that God considers it sin. I know it may feel good but his standard of what is ''good'' is higher than ours, cheap pleasure won't get him any closer to you
>inb4 ''muh holyer than thou''
sorry, i can't help it
>>17260924
You're a kid: everything is great when you're a kid.
>>17260924
http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=scientific_method
Stop believing in bullshit and fap away.
>>17262665
>doesn't believe in God
>still believes in objective morality
you can't have your cake and eat it to, anon
>>17260924
Lame.
>stop masterbating as a sacrifice to god.
Religions are just too funny.
whethet bait or not i still laughed.
Why arent religious people put through psych tests?
>>17262711
Maybe because healthy and typical behavior doesn't require psychological evaluation.
Atheists, though, being in a small minority and displaying higher occurrences of mental illness and depression, should be put through psych tests. Maybe even medicated or lobotomized.
http://www.psy.miami.edu/faculty/mmccullough/Papers/Relig_self_control_bulletin.pdf
>>17262749
Its not healthy to talk to invisible people.
its not healthy to kill others because they dont beleive on your specific friend.
its not healthy to start wars because nations dont yield to your friends will.
its not healthy to read a book with little to no documented facts and pass it off as truth.
its not healthy to abstain from wanking for long periods of time.
its not healthy to be apart of the majority of convicted felons.
its not healthy to bait anons with false facts and ignorant posts.
its not healthy to touch dog poo and pick your teeth.
Its not healthy to be in the church and touch kiddlywinks.
itd not healthy to fogive people for unforgivable crimes.
tasted good though
This thread is, of course, a troll thread.
But I'd love to talk to an actual Christian about Christian history.
I mean, how can you be devout if you know how your own religion came to be?
It's as ridiculous as the Mormons
>>17262978
>redundantly saying things arn't healthy to make a point but with some extra flavor
learn how to use commas
Example; athiesm is when you don't believe in a god, nihilism is when you take athiesm seriously, solipsism is when you're passionate about athiesm
>>17262996
how did christianity really start?
I keep seeing like 12 different books about the same shit and they all split their religion into sub religions or something.
>>17263030
Christianity has a complicated beginning.
It started in the Roman province of Judea.
Bunch of Jews got together and proclaimed a Messiah. Not the first time, nor the last.
They came and went (like Simon bar Kokhbar, another Messiah) but this "Jesus" had some followers who stuck around and avoided the persecution.
Christianity started in the lowers classes and worked its way up.
Offering eternal life and equality in death? Sign me up!
The other religions at the time were pretty stratified and ambiguous about death.
Even Judaism was pretty firm about death being final.
Then came Christianity that said everyone lived happily ever after so long as the accepted Christ.
That's a great message for slaves and women, who were both oppressed in the Empire.
Around the 300s, it was getting to be pretty wide spread. A smart politician named Constantine (now Saint Constantine) decided to use that for his advantage. He was left out of the Imperial governance by a former emperor who decreed only the best shall rule. Well, Constantine's father was a ruler, why not him?
So he had himself a coup after he was not declared a successor to his father.
He rallied troops under a Christian banner and even claimed that he dreamt that God himself wrote in the sky that Constantine shall win if he marks himself with Christ's sigil (at that time it was the Greek letters for XR, the first letters of Christ in Greek).
Constantine won and proclaimed himself a holy victor under God.
He wanted One Emperor under One God.
The previous empire was split 4 ways, but he wanted it all.
That's just the start, but I'm running out of words. There's the Arrian Heresy, the Ecumenical Council of Nicea, Saint Ambrosius, and Theodosius.
If you know history, Christianity is just as convoluted as Scientology and Mormonism.
>>17263053
Interesting.
Must be a coincidence. Nothing good can ever come from masturbating, Jesus, Allah and Hashem frown upon such barbarism.
>>17260937
Stress relief from ejaculation is only temporary. And since OP apparently went from not at all to daily fapping, I'd assume he's using it as a drug to mask whatever bad feelings emerged when abstaining.
When you quit fapping long term your thoughts and emotions are super clear, and they aren't always pleasant, all your problems come to the surface for you to deal with them, things you couldn't see before because your perception was dampened by the neurochemical effects of regular ejaculation.
>>17263419
I've never masturbated once in my life and shit is foggy as fuck.
>>17263643
Nothing to compare it to, how would you know?
Also are you asexual or low libido?
>>17263666
I just don't give a shit about sex naturally. I have looked at stuff but never masturbated to a lick of it.
>>17263672
>>17263672
lucky you
>>17262996
Because religion has zero to do with history, or even the authenticity of its 'truth' claims. The weird language is a result of tradition (discursive modes change and ours will look ridiculous in a thousand years), but its point is to facilitate self-regulation and social coordination.
See >>17262765
>>17260924
fucking idiot
>>17260972
>>17262601
Oh, no, I understand it completely. I was a devout christian for a very long time and in some weird, twisted way it made me happy having to do all that pointless crap and giving up so much of the things that I like. But at the end of the day it was only because I felt I would receive something in return. No matter how hard I tried telling myself that I liked doing that stuff because it makes me a better person it was all because I didn't want to be tortured forever, that's where my "happiness" came from. But please, tell me about how doing things you dislike and refraining from doing things that you enjoy makes you happy.
>>17264014
Because eating lots of fast food every day will fuck you up mentally and physically and then kill you prematurely, even if you really love it.
>>17264032
Yes, eating lots of fast food is clearly what I was talking about.
>>17262765
It's the same principle. Read the study: >>17262765
>>17264036
This was meant for you: >>17264040
>>17264044
>>17264040
What principle? You can be disciplined without a religion. And you can be smart about it. You can restrain from eating a ton of fast food because you know the influences it has on your body, not because you're afraid of suffering for all eternity if you do. And you can eat the occasional cheeseburger without feeling guilty or scared after that.
Self control is not about avoiding something that is harmful in hard doses altogether because of fear of divine punishment.
>>17264068
No one said you can't, but on average they're more disciplined than the non-religious, which has led to better self-control, sense of well-being and social integration. This is why people become religious. You'll also find that a lot of them can practice moderation.
>>17264014
>your valiant attempt to deflect what i have said to prove that your experience of life is more superior
Anon, i said sacrifice is important to Christians. I never said it was fun and i never said that i enjoy it. Do you think Jesus had fun being crucified? Do you think his followers had fun being murdered as martyrs? Following God isn't about having fun, your reply makes it clear you couldn't handle it so you took the easy way, the good old ''life is what you make it, we are all just here finding our way''
atheism begins and ends with ''i don't believe there is a god'' once that has been stated there is no objectivity to this life. everyone's opinion is just as valid as he next persons. I can accept that atheists believe that, but the fact that they will still swear to meaningful purpose and value tells me you can't break away from God 100% you still hold onto the idea that life matters and so do your ideas and thoughts when a honest look at reality should tells you otherwise.
i'm also aware that this post at the most has done nothing to your mind and at the least dug you and anyone else who reads it deeper into atheism. In spite of that i want any anon who reads this to at least go with this; Were there is true love some form of sacrifice is sure to follow
>>17262978
Everything you said either doesn't describe religious behavior or has been proven beneficial to mental health by modern science.
>>17263053
That's one poorly thought out interpretation of history and the origins of Christianity.
Even from your view it hardly aligns with the reading of invisible sacred tablets from a hat or the creation of humanity through the spreading of alien souls out of a volcano.
It's also worth noting that nothing you described there is related to Christian belief or theology - you only described one view of a series of historical events including the Christian religion, so to claim that Christianity itself is convoluted when all you've done is discuss a single understanding of historical events doesn't line up. The conclusion of your argument, if anything considering it's lack of coherence, should have been that history and politics in the ancient Mediterranean were convoluted.
>>17262270
>Jesus condemned national borders.
Oh really? Where?
It's always entertaining to see non-Christians trying to spread some distorted view of Jesus as a modern global socialist despite zero support.
>>17260924
>happens the exact oppostie to me
Feels bad.
>>17264076
I see your point. Being religious makes you an arguably better person. But if you look at it from a non-believers standpoint you will find an issue with it. Basically you're forcefully instilling some values into someone starting from the wrong premises. In my honest opinion and you're free to disagree most people accept christianity (and many other religions) because they're told that it's the absolute truth and because they will be punished if they don't follow the teachings. And they're told these things at an early age, before they can make an educated decision for themselves. I hate to use the term "brainwashing", but this is pretty much how I see it. You get an ideology, you enforce it on a child that has no other option but to accept it and from that point onwards that child will judge everything he perceives through that ideology. That's why most people who are raised in a religion will accept it for the rest of their lives.
So you have an enforced ideology that, at least according to your study gives benefits in the long run? Is this acceptable? Well if you believe that everything the ideology teaches is true then yeah, it is acceptable, but I don't. So is it good to tell a lie if it leads to the greater good? Does the end justify the means? That's debatable, but even if you would conclude that yes, it is acceptable I don't think christianity is the best religion to instill a positive ideology. Because, you know, it's not all that positive. There is no perfect religion for it, at least not yet, but I think the one that's closest to it is buddhism.
>>17264868
Our ways of thinking are so different that we can't even understand eachother. I can't dig any deeper into atheism because I don't care about the idea that there is or there is not a god. First of all, when you're talking about god you're talking about a whole set of ideals and principles.
(cont)
>>17265540
>>17264868
I'm only talking about the existence of a superior being. I acknowledge the possibility of it existing, but I think it's very small. What I'm absolutely sure does not exist is the god as described in the bible.
I find the idea that having purposes must mean a connection to god ridiculous. Purposes are build by society, by the values it gives us and dare I say, it might even be in our human nature to find purpose in objectively meaningless things. It is a way for us to preserve ourselves better, it has nothing to do with god. We hold on to the idea that life matters because we care about our lives, because we are biologically set to care about it. And because we are taught since we're children that it's important. We have emotions, this is why we find subjective meaning in objectively unimportant things.
> Following God isn't about having fun, your reply makes it clear you couldn't handle it so you took the easy way
No, the only reason why I stopped following him is that I find his existence to be impossible. It had nothing to do with how hard or fun it was. Only later I realized how much more fun life without this type of religion is. If I would still believe that the eternity of hell awaits me if I don't follow its teachings I would do my best to follow it. And this was my point, the main reason you sacrifice yourself, why you give up these things is because you await a reward and you're afraid of punishment. You renounce the joys of this life to have joy in the next one. This is what the biggest religions have in common and this is why they have so many followers. Once this illusion is gone most of the followers will... well stop being followers. Because why sacrifice yourself for nothing?
>>17265540
1.when i talk about God i mean the Son of Man, sure he gave us ideals and principles to uphold but if they were given from man then they would be subjective and therefor just another opinion
2.our different ways of thinking doesn't erase the fact that you will never, no matter how much you or anyone else denies God, be able to truly live your life as if life had no purpose. You don't care about God yet your'e fine using the value he creates for you to validate yourself.
3.you say ''perfect religion'' as if there is any form of objective standard anywhere. how can you talk about a perfect anything when what you think about it is just opinion? there isn't any perfection in any group of humans,bit it christian,atheist,or agnostic, because people are flawed by nature (it's kinda why Jesus died on the cross...)
4.all things considered, what do you think about my ''love will lead to sacrifice'' statement? do you agree or have a different idea of what love is? (i mean, athiestically speaking it's just a chemical in the brain used to form bonds)
>>17260924
Problem solved
>>17265548
>>17265648
as a side note
>purpose is built by society
>every society has a subjective few of reality,none is more valid than the other, by necessity
>but that's okay, we create meaning from meaninglessness
>but if each of us is creating our own objectively from meaninglessness than that automatically makes it all go back to being subjective
you acknowledge, admit, and proclaim that life is meaningless yet you cant help but try to squeeze some form of purpose and value out for yourself because that's how you are hardwired, your not just an animal your made in the image of God.
>i acknowledge the possibility of it existing
>i stopped because i found his existence impossible
there is more to this world than ya know, give the link a try, it says more than i ever could
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KejSI6kKPfg
>once the illusion is gone
don't you get it? From your point of view you left the illusion of religion to the illusion of subjective purpose. you ''realized'' that God wasn't real and that life was meaningless. You just decided to copy and paste the objectivity God gives you into atheism and poof, now you can live life doing what feels good + pretending that what you think and feel and have experienced even matters in the slightest is a great bonus
>>17265648
1&2 Yes, ignore everything I said about our purposes. That's why I write walls of text, so you can act like I said nothing about it. Let me put it another way. Any value, purpose, goal, meaning or whatever else you wish to call it is subjective. It comes from our own mind, our own subjectivity, not from outside sources. When we create these purposes we are influenced by ideologies. Christianity is an ideology. The idea of a personal God who has a moral code is an ideology.
Your idea of God is not special. Your God does not have a monopoly on morals, values or purposes as your God is just another ideology, objectively speaking. Your God is not an absolute thing. Values and morals can exist outside God. This is what bothers me about religious people, they start with the presumption that they're right in their believes so you can't argue with them. They see their believes as objective truths and they base their arguments on that. If you can't think of your own religion as an ideology never talk about it with a nonbeliever again, it will lead to nothing constructive.
I don't use the values God created, I use the values I, myself created while being influenced by the society and some ideologies. Including to some extent the christian ideology. And so do you.
3. When I say a perfect religion I mean a religion that has the best possible values. It might not be able to exist because ideal values change with evolution, the advancement in civilization, in technology etc.
4. I think love doesn't have to lead to sacrifice. It can and it will in many cases but it's not a rule. You can have love without sacrifice. But, more importantly, you should get something more out of love than you sacrifice, emotionally speaking.
Biologically, not atheistically speaking, yes, love is "just" a chemical reaction in our brain (and then again, everything we think or feel is), but that says nothing about how we perceive love.
Take it as a sign to explore other spiritual possibilities.
>>17265701
See 1&2 from >>17265758
Purpose can exist outside god. Meaning can exist outside God. There is no such thing as objective meaning.
>From your point of view you left the illusion of religion to the illusion of subjective purpose. You just decided to copy and paste the objectivity God gives you ..
No I didn't copy any objectivity from God. Subjective purpose is not an illusion. It's subjective and I accept that it's subjective, how can it be an illusion? The idea that purpose can be objective is an illusion.
>>17265758
PART1
anon, i'm not ignoring what your saying (in fact i'm glad you respond, you could have just as easily ignored me so thanks in those regards)
this back and forth can go on forever so i'll just end my part with the whole point i was trying to make, you can respond if you want
>with a God there is objective purpose, without a God all we think about life is just another speck of dust in the wind (including the values you yourself created)
>(who decides what are the best possible values without being subjective?)
>you continue to try to inject value into yourself and life while simultaneously acknowledging how meaningless it is,of course values and morals can exist outside of God, but their still subjective and thus have no weight to them
dude, purpose is in our DNA, it's what we do and we can't function without it. I'm just saying that God wants it so that it's not just some dream of ours, we can have things like honor be abstract yet so tangible that it would be lunacy to go against it, because we have a purpose and ''muh whatever feels good'' ain't it.
>your idea of God isn't special
my knee jerk reaction to this was to type ''Yes he is,here is a bunch reasons why...''
but then i realized that your statement is just your subjective opinion on the matter, just like your opinion of atheism and any form of morality that you hold ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
not to be a jerk but if i can rebuttal all of your arguments with ''it's subjective'' than there is probably something wrong with your worldview.
the thing that surprised me about you text was when you said ''so you can act like i said nothing about it'' dude, i wasn't ignoring you, i keep using the ''it's subjective'' answer because that's the glaringly obvious thing wrong with the arguments your giving me. You keep giving me answers when we both know they are grounded in subjectivity but it's only a problem when i call you out on it
>inb4 stop saying subjective
sorry, can't help it
(cont)
>>17265797
PART2
(fun fact; if God isn't real and thus neither is objective morality, there is not legitimate atheistic argument that says bestiality is wrong. We already torture them,force them into obedience,Turn them into breeding machines so that we can eat them, wear there skins and furs,steal them from there homes and destroy their habitats without remorse against there will. i thought that maybe you could argue the case of ''you might get a disease'' but there are people right now having unprotected sex with strangers. the best argument an atheist could come up with is ''eeeww that's gross''.
>I accept that it’s subjective
i’m glad to hear your honesty anon. So with that being said i have one last question for you, i’m being serious, you can ignore everything i have said up until this point but i genuinely want to see your answer
Is it okay to rape babies?
>inb4 your a troll/pedophile
i’m being serious i want to see your reasoning for this
>>17264014
Another anon here but I just wanted to chime in that while what one anon said about it not necessary being fun to do all of this, it is basically the sacrifice you make for eternal life, the thing you would receive in return which Jesus died for to make sure you got in return for following him (John 3:16). We won't forever on earth and in Christianity, when you die, your soul either departs to heaven or to hell. To focus on the temporarily pleasures of earth is foolish since God never intended for us to stay here forever. There is a whole bunch of things I could go into but unfortunately I don't feel adequate enough to really do so, but I thought this would help a bit.
Also Matthew 3:2, 1 Peter 5:6-7, and maybe a book called Imagine Heaven that has a few free chaps online that might interest you, or not. Boy do I need to sleep
