>Provide references and keep them to one image/post.
>Requests must be related to content of western origin
>Be patient and take it easy! Don't forget to check the boorus first to see if your request was fulfilled.
>Drawfriends, don't hold back.
>DON'T REPLY TO TROLLS.
>Keep art critiques short.
>To make the new drawthread, wait for page 10 or Image limit.
>No one is entitled to a request delivery.
>Don't fight spam with spam.
>Have fun!
>Collection of Deliveries:
/co/ http://the-collection.booru.org/
/v/ http://vidyart.booru.org/
>Drawfriends Gallery List:
http://pastebin.com/KJC3QjsB
>Drawing Books, tutorials, practice websites, and drawing programs:
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Requesting incest scissoring with Kim and Ann Possible
Requesting Garnet having her asscheeks kissed by Amethyst and Pearl.
Gimme a request that's simple and where the end quality isn't a big deal.
>>619837
Simple nudes of either of these two new grounds characters.
>>619837
Joy getting throatfucked and is fingering herself at the same time.
>>619837
Requesting Raven lifting her skirt and Damian masturbating on her panties.
Requesting Maria with a thick ass bending over, her dress pulled up over it, with Carmen bending over, with big tits, placing her breasts on top of Maria's ass.
>>619837
Jinx sitting on Beast Boy's face.
Requesting Wyldstyle facesitting an anon. If possible, please use her Wild West clothes instead of her regular ones, but it's artists choice.
Requesting laverne from day of tje tentacle getting spitroasted doggystyle by the other two main characters. But anything is good, as long as she is in it.
/r/ Penny in a bikini getting kidnapped in a way similar to the Caveman screen cap in my pic.
Disembodied hands in the right places is fine: one hand on her mouth, one on her stomach and two holding her legs.
Requesting a pregnant Jessica Rabbit crying as she is fucked in a gloryhole
Requesting Stealth Elf (Leftmost) giving a POV boobjob. Please keep the breast size similar to the ref, also if you're going to do full body, please give her the clothes she's wearing in the ref.
>>619837
Requesting a drunken Sister Sweden holding down and Raping her Brother wanting to get Pregnant. his eyes full of tears as she goes to town on him.
Requesting Annetta Fish giving a boobjob to a dick while Betilla gives a buttjob at the same time
>>619837
Requesting some porn of her. i dont know who she is but she is from a show called the nutshack
>>619880
how many drawing threads are filled every day? this must be the quickest of the boards after /b/.
even on /h/ it takes almost 1 week.
at this rate its almost impossible to follow the thread!
fyi Im working with my delivery pretty slow, I dont even remember how many threads ago it was requested
>>619844
>stick figure lewds
OK?
>>619891
>20 replies to 11 posters
Yeah, no wonder they move so quickly.
I'd like to request human Jenny getting groped and penetrated vaginally by two anons.
>>619891
I wish we had ID per user like other boards, this way everything would be easier
Requesting Bianca Reyes giving a blowjob to Blue Beetle
Requesting anything lewd with Mission Vao from knights of the old republic. She just doesent have enough porn of her.
>>619893
Pefect
Requesting Defenders of the Realm Liu Kang fucking Kitana in the cowgirl position.
OPTIONAL: Have Kitana's tits drawn accurately to her game counterpart.
>>619880
>>619883
I think her name is "Cheetah". It's been a while since I first saw that trash.
>>619835
isn't the same
>>619899
check the booru
>>619891
/v/ and trash move a lot faster, 2 or 3 drawthreads a day. I think /aco/ has a good balance.
>>619907
OR here, i agree. the show is total trash. i'm just a sucker for the bodytype
Requesting Ms. Fortune and Robo-Fortune competing to see who is better at sex
Requesting older versions of gaz and mandy fucking themselves, while zim and billy watch from a bush in the corner.
Requesting naked older gaz, wearing only striped leggings and boots, fucking zim in his alien form(which still looks the same). Hes in utter pleasure, while she sighs and mumbles "the things i do for love" with a serious face. Maybe add some red to her face, as if out of both some embarresment and pleasure from the act.
>>619911
/v/ has 3 threads and /trash/ 5 every day lol
>>619893
this pretty hot
>>619893
now draw her getting buttfucked by anon
>>619861
Seconding
>>619920
Every thread, friend.
At least he's honest
Done
Requesting Jessica Cruz giving a rimjob to Simon Baz
Requesting Stacy getting jizzed on the face/mouth and cupping her hands catching the cum.
A request for Sardonyx giving a titfuck to an anon dick, please. Ignoring the fact that Sardonyx is supposed to be a giant making this impossible. Thank you!
Requesting Rogue Ass worship
>>619944
>Still wielding a gun.
Why.
>>619958
He doesn't believe in the ring, so he just have half power
>>619847
I rushed this, sorry, anon.
Time for bed.
request Katara /Aang lewds from Katara POV
Requesting Chel making out with Esmeralda while giving her a lap dance.
Requesting Anon hate fucking Jane FosThor.
>>619893
You know - it's weird, but I'm actually turned on by this. While I would've preferred a human body, this is amazing. Thanks!
Do you think you could do something for Smiley too?
>>619826
Requesting some lewds of Beast Girl.
>>620000
Yeah sure, if you don't mind waiting until tomorrow.
Requesting a sissy/slutty version of Ben 10 begging for dick while spreading his ass.
Requesting an aged up Sibella getting lifted up and fucked by a guy while she wraps her arms around his neck her legs around his waist as she bites his neck.
>>619984
This just got bumped up in my color list.
Requesting Filia getting anal fucked in the position shown as the right image. Thanks.
>>619984
It looks fine, I love it. Thanks!
Requesting a naked Maddie Fenton groping a nude female Jack Fenton.
>>620006
I would rather the R63 Cyborg.
Requesting Talia naked fondling her breasts with her upper arms and playing with herself using her lower arms.
I'll leave it up to the artist to choose which form of her to draw.
>>619826
Could a drawbro please try:
A - Embarrassed futa Star Butterfly with a jester hat jizzing all over the place and inserting the wand into her pussy.
Or
B - fit [slightly muscular] Merida [Brave] tongue kissing Rapunzel [Tangled]
pls
Requesting Marie Kanker showing off her butt like the girl on the left while wearing thigh high socks/stockings. Freckley butt cheeks would be appreciated, but not necessary
>>619977
Fuck off Loli fag
.>>620007
That's perfectly fine.
Requesting Harley Quinn using her new tits to give a titfuck.
Requesting Ariel lying in a field rubbing her naked body against the grass with an innocent smile on her face.
>>620056
Anyone got a digital version of this page?
Also characters with bigger than canon titties is my fetish.
Woops, looks like I was a bit to late on the trigger. Anyways delivery for topless Francine from last thread.
>>620064
Nice! I'm adding this to the list too.
>>620023
>liking Joy
You have good taste, tripfriend.
Requesting Zone-Tan giving this dildo a go (without the ribbon), halfway inside either hole.
>>620064
That was my request! Such a great delivery!
Giant tits, tasty nipples, nipple piercings, luscious lips. Hot damn.
Thanks, Tsuba, I couldn't have asked for more.
Someone requested these two fairies from Rayman Origins, and they were hot so I did it. Alt on my tumblr. http://boxmanspornbox.tumblr.com/
>>620067
Thanks! That's why all of my requests are about best emotion. But they all involve futa...
Requesting Harley giving a buttjob, and the dick cumming on the "Owned" Part of the jacket
>inb4 batman kinda raped the joker there
I'd like to request Meg Griffin and Hayley Smith being fucked silly while holding hands.The guys don't have to be visible. Meg is chubby and Hayley is kinda lean-ish. Nipple variation and hairiness aren't completely necessary but would be welcome for the sake of variety.
Requesting best version of Lois Lane licking Superman's cock.
>>620085
Yes I am the one coloring! I'm fine with what you made, thank you.
>>620079
Wow, that looks like official art.
Nice to see more buttjob titjob
>>620079
oh shit, missed this
not the OR but noice
>>620094
Whenever I do something that has a cool style to it, I try to stay as on model as possible. Its a good way to learn other peoples methods.
Requesting lewds of Choni
>>619844
name of the flash?
>>620079
OR here, wow I'm amazed at how good this looks! Thank you so much!
>>620107
Smiley from Riddle School, Ellie from Fleeing the Complex.
Requesting Big boob June taking a shower, sticking her chest out slightly as she runs her hands through her hair.
/r/ing Bonnie giving Ron a thighjob. Preferably topless and with skirt either on or off.
How are you guys doing today? My day was typical Monday shenanigans and bad luck,
I would like to see Peggy Hill and Minh Souphanousinphone in the aftermath of an consensual orgy, fucked silly but still demanding more. Basically naked, messy hair, covered in cum, ahegao'd, tired but eager. They don't have to be exactly on-model, but they aren't supermodels. Just kinda curvy, moderately busty mom-bods.
Requesting Antimony giving an inviting look for some lucky guy as she holds the front split of her skirt open. Showing her bare pussy, wet and ready.
Requesting Cerebella titfucking a guy while Feng is in the 69 position with him and sucking his dick as it sticks out from between Cerebella's tits.
Requesting Sadness in the same pose as Mei, either looking bashful or happy.
Requesting female Joker hypnotizing Harley Quinn with her ass.
Requesting a human mating with Radiant Frost.
Requesting Elsa and Anna masturbating together
>>619879
Ill see what i can do, fell asleep before replying earlier.
>>619941
Im almost positive he's a bot.
Red from Tex Averys Red Hot Riding Hood wearing a only a long sleeve shirt.
Requesting either a sexy lesbo picture of these 3 with these body types, or a May facesitting one of the others with her giant ass.
>>620006
Source on the comic?
I'm requesting a nude pin-up of Ms. Baker from Clarence, Ms. Keane from PPG, Ms. Butterbean from Billy and Mandy, and Principal Waxelplax from FOP. No background necessary. Baker is thin-ish and nervous, Keane is pear-shaped and relaxed, Butterbean is hourglass and bored, Waxelplax is pudgy, EXTREMELY busty, and Very confident. Would like to see some pubic hair and nipple variation, but ultimately it's up to you.
Requesting New Panthro in Old Panthro clothes with a bulging erection or holding his crotch
Requesting Scarlet Overkill receiving a facial like in the reference. Nip slip, cupping hands.
Requesting Dash fucking Maddie in front of a sad or shocked or crying Danny. As Maddie mocks her son saying something like "Go finish doing Dash's homework, you know what he did to you last time", or anything mocking him.
>>620170
>you know what he did to you last time
Did he... rape Danny?
Kindly requesting Batwoman pegging Supergirl with a strap-on, gently kissing her (Supergirls's) breasts.
Requesting Smurfette on her knees, surrounded by dicks, jerking two off into her mouth.
Any bondage or sex toy requests?
>>619984
>>619847
I added hearts, saliva and wetness.
>>620191
/r/ dominatrix Jenny with sub Sheldon
Jessica Rabbit hogtied and suspended over a barrel of dip, getting a throat fucking.
>>620195
Is that Shrek fucking her mouth?
>>620191
Might be somewhat rough, but requesting away. Betty tied up like this, getting fucked in the ass.
>>620191
Requesting Korra holding a leash around Asami's neck and making her lick her ass.
>>620198
It's an anon (or Mogo). I should crop it more.
>>620191
Brit and Tiff sharing a double ended dildo.
Requesting Margaret SquarePants in the middle of a gangbang getting her holes put to good use.
>>620198
>>620201
This might be better.
>>619949
>>620191
Velma lifting her sweater and skirt to show that she has bondage ropes underneath her clothes with a vibrator being held into place by the ropes.
Requesting thick assed Gogo having her ass motor boated by Honey Lemon and they're both loving it.
>>620191
Requesting Brad being dominated by Vicky, same as the ref.
Requesting Joy jerking off futa Sadness who is ejaculaing and making one of the faces on the far left while crying and blushing with Joy congratulating on how much Sadness came and asking her if it felt good.
Them wearing the school outfits on the far right of the reference image is optional
Requesting adult Gruftine exposing herself to unsuspecting guys at night. Instead of a trench coat, she uses her long sleeves to cover herself. Just to make it clear, I only included the child version in the reference to give an example of how big her sleeves are.
Requesting Cassandra and Golden Girl giving an assjob and a titjob to the same dick at the same time. Cassanda giving the assjob, Golden Girl giving the titjob.
>>620191
Looma on her knees with her arms chained to the ground behind her back, like Korra in the picture, with Attea behind her groping her breast while she slides her tongue down Looma's body.
>>620053
here
Re-requesting from last thread, Culist-Chan in the Nevermore costume, doing said pose, lisping out "all the lonely people, where do they all come from?". The mask would be like pic related with face visible, twisted into a toothy grin. As she's a lewd character I expect it will likely be semi-lewd, but I request here because I know some of the best lurk these threads. So in that regard, I appreciate you stopping by.
>>620234
guy, ignore the re-request part. I'm god awful at copy pasting descriptions.
>>619855
Any way you could work La Muerte there without making it overly complicated?
As a favor to the guy who's doing you a favor by trying his hand at this. I just really like La Muerte's design.
Requesting lewds of zombie Mystique. Preferably slightly sagging breasts, at it.
Requesting Tiana with a giant ghetto booty, in some tiny jean booty shorts with half her ass cheeks hanging out looking like a slutty prostitute.
>>620237
OR here. If you're doing the request, that sounds great! So if you want to add La Muerte, I guess either one of 2 things
Either she's standing next to Maria, bent over, and Carmen is between them,
Or La Muerte and Carmen are pressing their tits together as Maria looks back at them.
Requesting Cleo (holding an open jar of peanut butter) lying on her back (possibly on a temple slab with a few hieroglyphics)) as Anubis licks her pussy.
Also, could you maybe have her wearing loose bandage leg-warmers n wrist-bands.
>>620209
OR here. Just what I had in mind! And love the addition of the quote, too. Thank you!
Requesting Unity and one of her thralls giving great tag-team head.
Requesting Wonder Woman fucking your choice (Batman, Superman, Flash, Anon, etc.) in the Amazon position.
Requesting some lesbian sex between Mind Fuck and Sistah Spooky. One licking the other's ass or pussy. Preferably ass.
>>620209
>>620250
Aaaaand I'm overusing this.
Requesting Anna doing a handstand, naked
>>620014
here's a wip, gonna focus on something else for a few hours.
>>620118
Requesting zarya, showing off her body, naked.
Requesting a nude busty Joy
>>620326
Shit, forgot reference.
Requesting Pregnant Wondeisha getting fucked hard by Batman.
Requesting Singularity all flushed as the dick she's sucking explode in her mouth/over her face and chest.
>>620374
Anti-OC brigade deployed
>>620374
Nice OC's that were created literally 2 days ago.
Requesting an adult Trixie Tang getting plow by a futa
>>620383
top kek
Requesting DC and Valiant's Livewires making sparks fly during a nude makeout session
>>620383
As opposed to who? Wondeisha?
As soon as a character exists, Rule 34 starts up.
>>619910
Oh okay. Thanks.
Requesting this couch scene with a nude Leela and Amy Pregnant.
>>620402
OCs aren't allowed here, you can however take them to the OC thread, since they technically don't have an owner, meaning they're allowed there.
Requesting Audrey Page as a futa jerking off while suckling one of her breasts.
bonus if there is a female super hero bent over with no clue her pussy is showing
Requesting a guy pressing his dick against Mei's stomach. Cum optional.
>>620426
Not true. trying to request art there is like pulling teeth. plus they where made as a group so no one person can claim them as their OC
Would like to request Hiro, Gogo and Honey Lemon, doing some puppy roleplaying. Kinda like petplay but without the "owner" or leashes. Very light on accesories, just fake ears, collars and tail buttplugs, otherwise naked.
Doing cutesy things or slightly lewd like Hiro trying to mount one of the girls.
Hiro and a single girl would be fine too (Honey if possible).
Thank you
>>620446
bitch are you serious?
>>619944
LOL why the fuck does he have a gun? is he a retard?! hahahahaha
>>619876
Sketchy definition of "simple" here.
>>620441
Welp, that sucks for you, because they're still not allowed here. Bye!
>>620457
Just Draw her ontop of her Brother's Dick.
>>620050
Seriously, who?
>>620464
I think she's from Venture Bros
Asking for Catwoman with her Long Halloween outfit posing and being touched like in the other image, please.
Requesting a beat up looking, torn clothed (in a sexy way) Supergirl, on her knees kissing Power Girl's ass. Like Power Girl beat her up and is now making her kiss her ass.
Requesting Gogo and Andy fucking doggystyle but Gogo is slapping her ass back against him too hard and fast and it looks like Andy can't take it.
>>620464
she was from season 5 episode 1.
Requesting Fire Star like in the references, but wearing her tight yellow outfit, not naked.
>>619947
Drawfag here, gonna do dis
>>620243
Decided to leave La Muerte to another occasion, since I had already started and didn't really have a place for her in mind.
I realize Book of Life without colors is kind of underwhelming, so anyone is welcome to color it.
>>620534
>anyone is welcome to color it
Requesting Shosanna with cum all over her face and tits, licking the cum off her lips.
Requesting Pocahontas as a huge titted, huge assed, super skinny waist having, big glossy lips having, super slutty dressed, dumb bimbo.
Requesting Panda Delgado taking a selfie while getting fucked, kinda like the ref, but vaginal, not anal.
>>620542
I would've done it myself if my digital coloring game wasn't shit. Honestly, I could only ever make the drawing worse.
>>620426
Take the requester back, they're not allowed in our threads and they don't qualify as OCs.
also, let's see the /aco/ drawthread guidelines
>Requests must be related to content of western origin
and I'm pretty sure that Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon are both western, so why not make something based on what is supposedly representing Nick and CN?
Sincerely,
someone from /acoc/
>>620585
Considering we have had much more threads than you guys, (and we have better art) I think it's clear that WE get the say as to what thread it goes in, and it's not this one.
Requesting Rita getting bukkaked.
>>619826
requesting Carl and Mrs Neutron fucking and jimmy waking in on them and sheen filming them
>>620333
Delivery
>>620624
I'll put this on my list too.
Requesting Tracer rubbing her face all in Mei's big fat ass.
>>620624
Wow you really need to learn how to draw before you draw for this thread. That face looks like something I would draw if I was in the 2nd grade.
>>620585
M8 please, the character is fucking 3 days old, and was never spoken about before then. It's a fucking OC, deal with it faggot.
>>620631
>2nd grade drawing porn
Stfu thirstfag
>>620631
Then try to do it by yourself. All you need is a 80$ wacom and you're good to go or go to ebay and buy it at 50$ it's easy
>>620534
Wow man this looks fucking great! Thanks for the awesome pic man! Also, do you have a site do I can see your La Muerte pic when you make it? Or were you planning on posting it here?
>>620645
I didn't request it. But wow is this what people do here. Knowingly crappy artists draw people's stuff, despite knowing their art is terrible and is no better than the average non-artists, and then get upset when people tell them to please stop.
>>620645
>$80
>$50 on eBay
Nigga are we using the same thing? How the fuck do you find shit that low?
>>620631
Alright, alright, let me try again.
>>620656
better!
>>620651
You didnt give him any sort of meaningful critique shithead, tell him what he could do to improve instead of just bashing.
Requesting Susan Long trying to put on sexy lingerie but her curves and the lingerie's smaller size are causing a wardrobe malfunction.
>>620656
No you don't really have any of the fundamentals of art. Like someone who just started drawing this week. Take time and learn to draw before you start showing it off.
Requesting a pregnant Jane Jetson getting fucked by a Futa Judy
>>620647
I was just gonna wait until someone requested her or some other Book of Life stuff and then post it here. I'm not very good at coming up with shit on my own.
Also no site. Waiting till I can at least color my own art.
>>620653
Wacom, like any tech company, has many different products lines. You're not going to find a Cintiq or Intuos for $50 anywhere, but a Bamboo tablet, who knows.
>>620656
wow, I don't know what I was thinking when I did the face. Must've spazzed out or something. thanks for improving it!
Requesting Madam Mim eating Grunty's pussy like the girls on the left, except with the girl's leg down so you can see Mim's face.
>>620668
Bamboo are now just pens for tablets, now the cheap ones are called Intuos draw
Can I get a drawfag to art beast fucking storm in this position
Requesting Golden Girl being pulled into "Servicing" a random Citizen on the street. with her trying not to enjoy it.
Requesting adult Snow White licking Tiana's ass like in the picture.
>>620683
Damn son I'll see what i can do.
Requesting on-model porn of Nora Wakeman. Riding Brad cowgirl style would be great.
Requesting Six from Tripping the Rift as a MILF getting fucked by her "Son" (New Owner)
Requesting thick Supergirl from with a pear shaped body and much bigger hips and ass than normal giving someone an assjob and her ass and hips are so wide they spill over the sides of the guys waist she's giving an assjob to.
Requesting Roberta posed like Misty is on the left, except with no condom in her mouth and cum dripping out of her pussy and some on her stomach. Or if you want you can just do the condom in the mouth thing if you want.
Requesting someone completing this.
Ref for the girls → https://i.imgur.com/AVi4AXV.png
Requesting Agent L posing like this. That skirt is perfect for giving upskirts, with panties or not.
>>620668
If you're gonna take La Muerte requests, could you try something like this with her and an anon? I know she's very tall in the movie so I though it would fit her character.
Requesting Golden Girl (the superhero looking girl in the picture), bimbofied like the blonde in the picture.
>>620471
Bit of a twist on it.
She's still kissing her butt but it's closer to her butthole now.
>>620720
10/10
You got a site, anon?
/r/ Brun and Clinton fucking with x-ray cumshot, like the examples or some other variation
Requesting Will and Susan Vandom scissoring. Will taking the lead, panting heavily as she moves, while Susan is relaxing with a more blissful and calm look on her face.
Requesting Danny possessing Sam, and lesbian raping Star or Paulina. The possessed Sam would have glowing green eyes, indicating Danny, and pupils, something which she normally doesn't have.
Requesting Lucy Wilde somewhat drunk, undressing in front of her new daughters to masturbate
Requesting Dexter's mom dressed up like a sexy school librarian showing off her giant ass like Empowered is dressed in the picture related.
>>620468
I saw your request back a long while ago and thought you've waited a long time so I made something for you. Might not be the oldest since I'm not here often but oh well here's something.
>>619963
Who's fault is that?
Why /aco/ doesn't have it's own booru by now?
It churns content fast enough to warrant it and we wouldn't have to wait for the usual uploaders to show up
>>620795
>Collection of Deliveries:
>/co/ http://the-collection.booru.org/
>/v/ http://vidyart.booru.org/
How come you ask dumb questions?
>we wouldn't have to wait
What are you, an archive fetishist?
>>620803
>Having to dig through 2 different archives to find deliveries
Come on now.
>>620814
>not being a big boy and saving the shit you like
c'mon now
>>620818
Regardless of that, there are only benefits about having our own booru.
>>620204
Done
Please draw Pyronica giving a buttjob. Her big ass really hot dogging the dick.
>>620832
Nah.
Requesting lewds of toned Bonnie.
>>620814
>people spend hours drawing things I like.
>people have taken the time to set up websites devoted to collecting these drawings, that otherwise may be lost forever
>multiple people upload and organize the drawings for easy retrieval
>I'm too lazy to appreciate whats being given to me on a silver platter.
Entitlement
Requesting Supergirl with really big tits and wide hips and thin waist and dressed in this.
>>620837
Damn, those bodies look amazing. Good stuff anon.
Requesting Tinkerbell giving Wendy's nipple or clitoris a titjob. Or Tink riding Wendy's erect nipple.
A followup of sorts to this:
http://the-collection.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=35293
>>620832
NO that would just be ANOTHER booru.
Do you really want to divide the pictures across more sites?
People would be unsure of where to post certain pics. Some would get double posted, others not at all.
And then you'd have to check both anyway if you wanted to see a certain character for any art posted prior to the creation of the 'new' booru.
Its fine as it is.
>>620864
The guy who wants everything organized could just easily scroll through the thread and see deliveries.
>>620786
Just think about him like the guy that doesnt belive in ghost in a horror film.
Requesting this giant butt lady on her knees showing off her giant ass.
Mona nude, giving handjobs with someone cumming on her breasts.
>>620837
And here I was thinking this request would never get drawn. Thanks for proving me wrong.
>>620837
can you or someone else redo it so it doesnt look so scary/off model?
>>620934
>implying you're the OR
>>620937
why are you being retarded? I never did, and it looks like you're going for the whole "what, you are?" question so you can turn around and say "actually yep"
fuck off
>>620619
Requesting Audrey sitting on a cake while anon sticks his cock through the cake and right into her ass.
>>620983
I'm going to get a lot of use out of this.
>>620776
Excellent job drawfriend, just a little thing, can you remove the tail to make her butt exposed in that angle like in the reference, please.
Sorry but I forgot to mention that detail.
