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>>143915473
ぞいぞいぞいぞいぞいぞいぞいぞい
Is it difficult to study individual kanji only after getting a good vocabulary? I want to be able to read native material as soon as possible, so I'm grinding the core deck, but later on I also want to expand my knowledge of Japanese by studying kanji, for personal enrichment. Is it messy to do so?
Encountered this phrase in Yotsuba. I've got the vocabulary down but I can't seem to understand what のり and と are for here.
>あんまりのり出すと危ないぞ
>>143967286
I've been lurking futaba for a while now, but for the love of me, I still doesn't understand how it works. Why is there so many 二次元裏? what is 転載不可 and 転載可?
what's a cornucopia?
>>143967546
乗り出す
>>143967495
If you're not learning vocab/kanji at the same time, you're doing it wrong.
What are you reading?
>>143967651
lurk more
>>143967286
Great pic
>>143967741
What the fuck is that it looks gorgeous
>>143968022
Jeez do you want your filename font size any bigger
![804787-beatmania_characters_breast_size_comparison_chart_super[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ceocd6B.jpg "804787-beatmania characters breast size comparison chart super[1]")
What kanji is under 83/84cm and 90cm? I can't do a proper handwriting research on these kanji due to migraine and bad eyesight.
>>143967741
Same VN actually
>>143968091
90cm is 爆
>>143968223
>>143968309
thanks! if my research is successful I will surely credit you guys!
>>143967741
ガイドはこのVNが振り仮名があると言うけど本当は無い。
これなので漢字を探すのが難しい。
初心者としては不便だよ。
>>143968638
>furigana in a vn
Doesn't everyone texthook them anyway
>>143967495
What do you even mean by studying individual kanji? If you learned vocab you wouldn't need keyword bullshit.
Learning to write them?
Sure, learning to write after you can read isn't a problem at all.
>>143968705
>texthook
うお！なぜかそれを思わなかった。
ありがとう、Anon! いつでも私とエッチしてもいいよ～.
>>143967741
Chaos Kids
>>143968992
>VN or anime mentions Schroedinger's cat
>>143969086
heh
>>143969086
They're doing it ironically
>>143968638
>>143968873
Your production skills are good for someone reading Hanahira. Why are you reading that shit?
>>143969143
he read the god damm guide
What´s wrong with the links in the reading section of the djt-guide ?
pic related is what I get (encrypted file in english)
>>143968873
あらあら
そんなに大人っぽい振る舞いたいの？
かわいいね
>>143969143
Because of the rich dialogue and the compelling character portraits?
>>143967741
>>143968212
Fuck, I see /jp/ is absolutely infested by you fucking EOPs.
>>143969415
The character portraits look like they were made in that loli generator flashgame.
>>143969143
いい練習だよ！
私は初心者だけです。沢山単語と文法点をまだ知らない。
>>143969409
お、お姉さん！私は本物の大人だよ！エッチなことはとても出来て、喜ぶんだよ！
I still don't know slang all that well. But someday I'll be able to shitpost like a 本物ロリ.
>>143969663
>たくさん in kanji
>>143969819
Like I said, fampai, I'm a 初心者。
Now are you going to fuck me or not?
>>143969606
I was thinking more of the narrative and how the characters are portrayed, but the visuals are good as well I guess.
So did you guys grind out a specific amount of 2k6k/go through a certain amount of TK before starting to read, or just jump right in? I am about finished with Basic Grammar and am 400 into 2k6k
>>143969819
そう為ルnoハ普通だろう？
>>143969932
Just give it a try. I went into Hanahira like 200 words in, dropped it, came back at 500 words and read it then.
>>143968812
>not knowing the term individual kanji study
>giving advice
Don't do this.
>>143969663
Our skill measurement of "beginner" is different then.
You're no dumbfuck that finishes TK basic grammar and starts Hanahira.
Started reading Muramasa. But going to sleep now.
Learning Japanese is suffering for people that don't tend to bother reading VNs
>That complete lack of listening comprehension
>That slower progression because you have to read at your own pace as opposed to voice actors pace
If you're a beginner that wasn't really planing on reading VNs, please do it anyway, for your own sake, they are the perfect study tool
>>143969534
Are you aware of what the term EOP means?
>>143970279
DJT fag that needs text hooker to read easy eroge. Seems fitting in this case.
>>143970314
No, that is incorrect. Look it up and try again.
>>143970064
I've been learning this God-forsaken language on and off for about three years now, but 今回からだけがんばっている。 I have basic grammar nailed down but it's vocabulary I'm having problems with. Thankfully I've gotten the hang of writing kanji from notebooks filled with the stuff and it's mostly just grinding now.
This goddamn language is too hard and saps morale easily. But God sent me a sign (or a warning) last week in the form of a cute Japanese girl who said my Japanese was ”すごい上手！”
>>143970346
That's whart you're telling yourself.
>>143970314
>person learning a language doesnt already speak the language theyre learning
some people amirite メート
>>143970351
>Japanese girl who said my Japanese was ”すごい上手！”
Should we tell him?
>>143970043
There's no fucking concrete "term" for what that means, might be gimmick shit like RTK or WK, might be elementary school kanji drills, might be kanken prep material in Japanese,
so I'm asking what this guys plan for studying them.
>>143970222
>Learning Japanese is suffering for people that don't tend to bother reading VNs
That's pretty much no one, it's the prime motivation to learn the language for most people here.
>>143970351
>a cute Japanese girl who said my Japanese was ”すごい上手！”
Oh that's just heartbreaking
>>143970351
>I have basic grammar nailed down
>今回からだけがんばっている
>>143970351
>saps morale easily
And it will keep sapping it if you keep reading terrible shit like Hanahira.
If your grammar is decent you can read something better no matter how shit your vocab is, texthooker will be helping you with that shit.
>>143970222
I have watched too much anime, now my listening comprehension completely overshadows my vocabulary and grammar understanding and whenever I go through a VN with voices on I feel like neither of those two is improving
There's always a way this language brings you to your knees
>>143970384
If you spend ten seconds on Google you'd know it means "English-Only Peasant"
>>143970438
That may be the case, but I personally find LNs way more compelling than VNs, and for that reason didn't bother with them for a long time, resulting in my listening comprehension being complete shit compared to my reading skills, and I'm sure there must be at least some other people that are in the same boat
>>143970438
Not him, but I doubt even half the people ITT learn Japanese with VNs as their primary goal. What makes you think so many people in here are into VNs?
>>143970404
>>143970441
>>143970497
Well, I stuttered and reverted to English half of the time. But she was just impressed I even bothered to learn what little I have right now. I managed to get her contact details, and talking with her is nice.
>>143970590
Because the best stuff is untranslated, same for LNs. All anime are pretty much instantly subbed, and the big bulk of great manga is too.
Other reasons would be uh, working there? I think this group is the minority for sure.
>>143970575
If you weren't challenged in various ways, you'd realize my implications is that you're no better than EOPs.
>>143970648
まあ今度こそがんばってね
>>143970821
He was giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you were merely misinformed instead of embarrassingly autistic.
>>143970438
I don't like VNs, I learn for the sake of learning Japanese, I want to read it cause it always interested me and I want to talk to Japanese people one day.
Although I have to admit I'm interested in Japanese TV shows, manga and video games.
>>143970878
今度こそ is "this time".
>>143970438
I'm learning Japanese for the lolis.
>アメリカでは鋸は押して切る。ところが、日本では引いて切る。
That sounds objectively inferior.
>>143971040
Lolis make the world go round
>>143970438
The fact that I don't give a shit about VNs is my biggest problem.
The only VNs I'm interested in reading is shit I've already read in English.
>>143970817
There's a ton of games I would like to play in Japanese, but I'm honestly just learning Japanese for its own sake.
I think there's a lot of people here like that.
>>143967700
Thanks a lot. I guess I shouldn't be trusting that everything hiragana between familiar vocabulary is a particle.
>>143969975
Was it a struggle or did you feel moderately comfortable with it?
>>143972125
It gave me trouble at first, like most VN at most skill levels, but after I got used to the ちょううぅかわいい chau form that's used all the fucking time it was pretty easy. There are some colloquialisms that might be hard to get if you haven't watched enough anime though.
>>143967286
I'm really having trouble finding a good site with raws to read. Can someone help? Even volume torrents would be nice.
Sorry ahead of time for the blog post.
Does anyone have experience coming back to learning a language after years of neglecting it? I started learning Japanese in 2007 and stuck with it for a few years, but eventually lost my way. I stopped doing anki and stopped regularly reading or watching Japanese media. I have been to Japan 5 or 6 times but also went to China 5 times and started learning random bits of Mandarin. The end result is that I can't speak either very well at all.
I'm sure if I stuck with it I'd be quite fluent, given that I'd be almost 10 years in. So I'm wondering, what's the best way to get back on the horse? I might still have my old anki deck somewhere, but maybe it's a better idea to start fresh?
>>143972327
Raws for what?
AB has a decent amount of raw manga.
>>143972328
I guess you could start fresh, but learn as quickly as possible if you've really forgotten that much. Else just consuming more media and practicing writing and speaking should be good enough.
Can you use a J>J dictionary?
>>143972328
If you used to regularly read jap media then you can probably pick it back up doing the same thing in months.
>>143972469
>>143972490
I used to use a J>J dictionary but can't anymore. I think there are a ton of things I forgot that I just need a refresher on, so I could probably blast through an Anki deck from scratch and find out what I forgot. I need to review grammar again too.
>>143972418
Well I was thinking any simple story/easy level conversation series, like Dragon Ball.
>>143972327
How about you look in the OP you quoted.
There's a shit ton of manga raws in CoR.
>>143972584
For reviewing grammar a good method might be using the DOJG anki deck and just going through a couple hundred cards, suspending all the grammar you still remember. Don't forget to suspend the repeat cards as well.
Dunno about a new vocab deck. I guess you could do the same, although if you find your old deck you should definitely use that.
How do you guys handle mining shit like words made out of two or more other words? I just encountered 醸し出す, but I've never seen 醸す before, so should I just mine that? Or mine the word that I encountered?
>>143973909
I generally add the entire word.
>>143973994
Mm I guess it doesn't make that much of a difference
>>143974208
Not really, no. But I found that sometimes the combinations take on some odd meaning that I wasn't able to guess, so I just decided that adding the combination is easier.
>>143967286
absolutely loving the OP
>>143967286
>>143974576
少女は同じ少女を愛せない
>when people post a screenshot of what they're reading to brag and it's the first hour of the game
>>143974773
失せてください
>>143974773
I'm going to assume that 女の子同志 means "girl love"
>>143975236
I thought it was 同士
>>143975368
Don't expect the attention whores who make OP images to actually be learning the language.
>>143975497
Easy mistake to make, they're pretty similar looking, I'm sure he just didn't notice that it typed that instead of 同士
>>143975363
教えてください
>>143975791
It's the difference between "girls shouldnt love girls" and "girls shouldnt love other girls", didn't you notice that both instances of its usage had an actual love word in the same sentence?
>>143975497
It's not wrong. 同士 and 同志 are similar, it's just that one has the 心 radical thrown in. I'm sure you can do the mental gymnastics required to figure out how the meaning changing through that.
>>143975892
I more or less understood the sentence, I thought that your "no" was towards my interpretation of 女の子同志 which is the name of the file in the OP
Show me your handwriting djt
Your word is 悪魔
Why do people recommend this garbage?
Is it acceptable to use アタシ if I identify as male?
>>143976347
Surprised no one's called me a retard yet, but I'm wrong
女同士 means female bonding so 女の子同士 might as well mean something like girl bonding, as in a euphemism for yuri. That's why >>143975368 said it should be 同士.
>>143975497
Sorry 先輩
>>143976661
My best attempt with a mouse. I would do it with a pen or something if I had a functional camera or scanner readily available. At first I tried to do it with a digital tablet, but I don't use mine very much, so I'm not used to it and it came out shit.
>>143975892
It's incorrect no matter how you look at it. Even look at the sentence for the second definition:「女―」
>>143976907
It'd sound camp, but W is weakly pronounced most of the time so it's technically ok.
>>143976907
It's not strictly wrong, but it would have the same effect as if you addressed everyone as "girlfriend", i.e. you'd sound rather stereotypically campishly gay.
>>143977055
I want people to know I'm using あたし though.
>>143977063
I'm not gay I'm just transsexual if that's what you would call it.
>>143976907
>>143977055
Also, if you're a beginner, everyone will assume you're just saying it wrong and correct you. It'd be weird to insist on saying it like that.
>>143976920
See >>143977050
It means "as ~" or "between ~"
女同士 means as women
As in it's implying they're the same in some way
友人同士の秘密 means "a secret between friends" for example
>>143967546
と is a conditional particle in that sentence.
If あんまりのり出す then 危ないぞ
>>143970351
Shouldn't that be sugoku jouzu? Or is that acceptable too?
>>143977177
>transsexual
わたし is neutral rather than masculine. I'm not sure how many older women use あたし but I can imagine it being similar to an older woman trying to look cuter/younger.
Correct me if I'm off.
>>143977545
あたし doesn't seem to have a cutesy nuance from what I've seen. Things like saying your own name does though and only idols and bitches do it.
>>143977412
I'd assume she said すごい、上手.
As in the sugoi wasn't meant to describe the jouzu, but is a separate remark.
>>143977705
Yeah, that makes sense. An example of why punctuation is important.
![[Ohys-Raws] New Game! - 01 (AT-X 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_10.55_[2016.07.04_19.14.21].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JorWmLA.jpg "[Ohys-Raws] New Game! - 01 (AT-X 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4 snapshot 10.55 [2016.07.04 19.14.21]")
>my SSD with system on it died
>have to set up my custom IME inputs again
>all my custom words gone
俺の糞を滅茶苦茶にしてやれ先輩
>>143977243
I'm lost.
So is it 同士 or 同志? Or both are correct, but have different meanings?
Looking at the dic (EDICT) they seem to be synonyms, one meaning as a "fellow" and the other as "kindred".
>>143978469
The regular way to write it is 同士.
一昨年
issakunen or ototoshi?
>>143978999
Works both, doesn't it?
Same as with 昨日 (kinou/sakujitsu).
is it safe to review ahead so the due cards for the next day reduce? Or does it affect my retention?
>>143979472
I will never stop pronouncing 年間 as toshiaida help please I know it's nenkan but everything else involving those two kanji is either toshi for the first and aida for the second
私があれを逃がすために消えたと言い張っているのではなければ、だけど
I'm really stuck on this line. I especially don't understand 'ではなければ、だけど'.
>>143979747
If your intention is to reduce how many cards you have to review the next day, then that's what it's there for.
You can make a custom study and uncheck "Reschedule cards based on my answers..." if all you want is some extra practice without affecting anything.
>mfw second day of Anki
>>143980875
It gets worse, friend. It gets so MUCH worse
>>143980223
haha what is this from?
ではなければ is probably implying ではなければならない here, and だけど is just だけど going from there
>>143978469
>but everything else involving those two kanji is either toshi for the first and aida for the second
But it isn't.
年中
間隔
There, just first 2 examples that came to my head.
>>143978469
>using edict
Did you even read the definition I linked?
![[Coalgirls]_Nisemonogatari_01_(1920x1080_Blu-ray_FLAC)_[EB420C97] - 00:16:53.933.png](https://i.imgur.com/fZ1VwMT.jpg "[Coalgirls] Nisemonogatari 01 (1920x1080 Blu-ray FLAC) [EB420C97] - 00:16:53.933")
>舞 まい (n) dancing; dance
>舞舞 まいまい (n) snail
FUCKING WHY
>>143981661
A Clockwork Ley-Line.
>>143976661
i did it downways like a good boy
>64% retention in the kana
The katakana is killing me.
Any recommended mystery/detective/closed room murder books for begginer-intermediate kanji learners?
Hey /djt/ about backups, let me explain my situation quick.
>increase new card limit
>had trouble after a few days
>have a lot of cards that dont get into my head
>stopped new cards but dont really make progress as its just too much
if I load a backup, does that reset "new cards" as well as in removes them until I add them again.
>>143982238
>measuring your retention in the kana
this is a joke, right
>>143980285
Wow, I just discovered Custom Study after a few months of doing this. This is the best thing ever.
>>143982030
o shit
>>143982307
Eh, I'm using Anki to learn it so I always give a curious look at the stats at the end.
taberu:
tabereba
tabenakereba
???
???
Are there no conjugations into the past for the eba form?
>>143982352
help me I'm panicking
>>143982492
Come here. I'll hold your hand and give you a hug.
>>143982455
no, because conditionals get their tense from the expression after them
ex. 食べなければならなかった
>>143982565
Thanks for the info. I will make sure to go back and re-read the conditionals.
>>143981892
>牛 うし (n) cow
>蝸牛 かたつむり (n) snail
???
>>143980223
I have to insist that I disappeared to let that thing escape, but...
>>143982305
pls halp
>>143982305
>>143983491
Don't load a backup. Just grit your teeth. It's not too much.
>>143932509
not sure if you can see this but you were right, I quit the first day
>>143973909
I just add the entire word and the one I haven't seen before
>>143982455
食べられるれろれろれろ
Is there any way to use anki addons on the mobile / tablet versions?
>>143982305
Stop new cards until you get reps under control and then add new cards again
Do extra study outside of anki if needed
>>143982492
Kana is harder to distinguish so retention is going to be lower than kanji, but it's very few characters so you should be done with it quickly and move on to kanji.
>>143983739
Yes, just use the premium version
>>143982944
I always fucking read it as かたつむし because of this shit.
>>143984694
>not かたつモーり
>>143984694
just read it as でんでんむし
>>143984379
>Kana is harder to distinguish
What am I reading?
>>143985474
Like へ and へ for example
作りなおした!
>>143983711
Wait, that post you made about the job was serious?
>>143985662
Yeah, those two are hell
One day I'll get to 80%. Just like how I got to 60% and 70%. And when I do, I'll get to 90%. Then I'll finally be fluent in English.
>>143985662
Your answer would always be "he". How can that fuck up your retention?
おはようおにいちゃん
えんてんか
きょうはえんてんかにいるとたおれるよ
>>143986086
Yea but which one is hiragana and which one is katakana. And this is just one example of many
>>143986226
give me a single example where that could possibly matter
both katakana and hiragana use the same glyph for `he'
they might very in display slightly depending on the typeface
no one has ever once asked
>is the following katakana or hiragana: へ
>>143986226
You win the prize for the most retarded anki user I've ever seen.
>>143986634
>>143986653
you're being trolled by someone that's not even trying to troll you, just trying to joke around
>>143986680
I sure hope so anon.
>>143986680
A sperg cannot comprehend humour, the poor thing. Other anon, please don't tease the genetically disabled.
I'm gonna learn moonrunes!
I plan on dedicating an hour of study every day for the next year. I should probably have at least a very basic kid's level grasp on things by then, right?
What's your study schedule like? How long did it take for you anons to be able to read basic stuff?
>>143986634
I'm past 1K kanji and I still confuse se/sa.
>>143985474
>>143985662
シ and ツ would be a better example, or ソ and ン, or even セ and ヒ. There are plenty of worse offenders to find among the kanji though.
>>143986792
You should probably do two hours, otherwise you might get frustrated by the lack of results and give up.
>>143986792
>What's your study schedule like?
Do Anki at whatever time.
Maybe try to play a game in japanese if I feel like it.
Randomly stumble into japanese text on the internet and try to read it.
>How long did it take for you anons to be able to read basic stuff?
2 months
>>143987200
One hour is a decent starting point I think. You can get the hiragana in week one, then the katakana in week two, that's already a fun place to be.
>>143985758
はい。。ブログったって申し訳ありません！！
>>143987154
Do you mean せ and サ?
>>143986792
reps, read, read and read some more. about 2 months
>>143987632
Yes.
>>143986222
I'm not your big brother stop calling me that
I just started namasensei's "100 challenge", making an anki deck from it and it's going pretty well, but I noticed that he teaches おんな as "girl" when the dictionary calls it "woman", and that made me pause and think maybe he's teaching other wrong things that I will have to unlearn later. Should I switch to the core 2000 instead or just plough on and fuck the police?
絶望した!!!!!!
>>143987632
I also mix those with セ.
>>143987694
>>143988015
I only had this problem when I started learning kana, which was a few days ago.
Did you have this problem with kanji as well?
I'm just starting to learn vocabulary through core2k/6k and I can distinguish some of the characters and the meanings without much trouble, but maybe because they are very simple (I have a hard time with the readings though).
>>143986792
Follow the guide in the OP.
Also, as advice, try to hear and identify stuff/translation when you're watching anime, it helps a lot building some references.
Also note that there isn't a 100% direct translation for most stuff, so just grasp the concepts.
After you learn the kanas (alphabet) and get a decent grasp of grammar, you should be able to read stuff in about a couple of months.
After that I think people just do their Anki exercises and read whatever stuff they enjoy.
>>143987757
おにいちゃん
いっしょににほんかんこうしよ
>>143987833
The bigger mistake is learning those words in kana (if that's what you're doing) instead of kanji. You'll just have to relearn them.
>>143982455
The eba form is present tense. Are you maybe looking for the tara form?
食べたら
食べなかったら
any jukugo dictionaries (if they exist)? im at an intermediate level but i might see a word and recognize entire kanji but not when they are strung together. i ctrl+f'd "jukugo" in both of the resource lists in the google docs so im guessing one doesnt even exist. jisho.org and kanji damage are very limited for this purpose
よろしくね
>>143988431
How is Jisho limited? No sane dictionary is going to list only jukugo rather than words.
>>143988523
it wont always be the first kanji i will recognize
>>143977177
I think wearing a cute sailor school uniform or any other outfit with a short skirt will help you get your point across anyway.
>>143988089
>Did you have this problem with kanji as well?
I found it easy to differentiate kanji in the beginning. After awhile kanji with only a difference of one radical start to pile up and kanji with similar meanings usually share the same radicals. This makes differentiating kanji harder over time.
便利な記事http://www.yearlyglot.com/youll-never-be-fluent-by-translating-in-your-head/
>>143987980
絶望するな
General question, but can you write the kanji you know on a piece of paper? Or do you consider a kanji "learned" when you can read it in most of its applications without assistance
>>143988604
You can type *家* to search for any words that contains 家.
>>143988752
after clicking "next page" for thousands of years
i suppose it works but i was hoping a better resource would be available which is why i asked. but thanks anyway
>>143988718
I think that article mostly applies to people who don't read or consume content massively. The English step disappears after you see the word in use a few times.
>>143988235
It's not like learning the whole word again, you just have to attach the word you already know to a symbol. At worst you just get to revise a word you already know.
>>143988089
The problem exists with kanji and it's arguably worse, but you can go a long way without running into lookalikes. It also helps that sometimes you can tell which one is in a sentence by looking at the contest and okurigana. I'm not sure yet what's the best way to practice differentiating lookalikes, but I found this page helpful for looking them up: http://www.kanjidamage.com/radicals
>>143988736
I started practicing remembering kanji radicals, but it took way too much time and wasn't worth it.
>>143989321
The guide says it might only take a week or two, that doesn't sound too bad.
>tfw you realize that most posters here have reddit accounts
>>143990009
What might take a week or two? Did you reply to the right person?
>>143967908
>>143974576
>>143974773
So Sakura autist wins?
He shits up the thread until everyone leaves out of frustration, and now leads a set of newfaggots who appreciate his bullshit?
あ、泣きたい
今日３００ぐらいラブカストーン（モビールゲームの貨幣）を使ったけど全然だめだった
一度もない有意義なカード出て来なかった
ゲームはラブライブスクールアイドルフェスティバル
>>143991035
Remembering the radicals. Anon said they had tried but it took too much time
>For those who feel that methods like RTK and KanjiDamage take too much time, but don't feel confident diving head-first into kanji as with the kanji-through-vocab approach described above, one method to consider is simply dedicating a week or two to studyingradicals- the 200 or sobuilding-blockswhich make up the kanji.
>>143991471
What are you talking about?
>>143991586
なんて金の無駄
金が余るなら俺に送ってください
>>143991682
I dunno how much it takes to memorize 200 radicals by themselves or if it's worth it (probably easier to learn them as you learn the kanji). What I meant is I don't think it's worth memorizing which radicals each and every kanji is made of so you can write them on paper from memory. Being able to recognize the radicals on a kanji is extremely important though.
>>143986792
A concrete schedule took a bit to work up. My goal was 2 hours a day and recently it got to about 80 minutes (I need to add in actual practice though)
My current schedule:
>Do Hiragana/Katakana flashcards
>Practice new kanji
>Do Kanji flashcards
>Add 5 new kanji to practice tomorrow
>Vocab flashcards
>Kanji flashcards (Review next 5 days custom study)
>Vocab flashcards (Review 5 days custom study)
>>143992338
just staggered out of bed and eating breakfast ya mong
i should prob grab tales x, im halfway through the game... maybe halfway
>>143992043
i did the kangxi radicals deck from the cor in a week, just recognition
>>143992338
Doing my duty to keep /a/ clean.
Wish me luck.
>>143993564
good luck. remember not to use your teeth
>>143993597
I don't agree with this, obviously biting is bad but a light brushing of the teeth against the skin can actually feel really good.
>>143993564
>>143993597
その話はちょっと...怖い
I tried doing anki and tae kim, but I don't really link the explanations of the grammar guide.
What are the steady books to learn a bit everyday? minna no nihongo and genki?
>>143994058
tae kim is as steady as it gets
alternatively you could try watching anime
>Cards piled up while out of town
>Trudge through the first 100 before caving in
M-maybe I'll get around to it tomorrow...
>>143991729
>He's new
>>143994058
I would recommend trying tae kim if you can deal with it, but genki is probably what you're looking for
>>143986792
>I plan on dedicating an hour of study every day for the next year.
Godspeed.
If I could manage to do that I would've been done 3+ years ago.
>>143991586
>モバゲー
>その上にラブライブ
お前はもう駄目だ
>>143994579
Lol you can't even do an hour a day?
Just leave that's sad
>>143994664
>Lol
自害しろ
>>143994737
>自害
could work well as "self harm", but why take it to the extreme of suicide when you got 自殺 already?
>>143994815
Jig愛
>>143994737
>自害
おお～悪くないね
>>143995061
さあって殺すぞ
Why does the last vowel for some kanji change when combined with other kanji? e.g. 声色、雨雲、酒場's first kanji not having the same pronunciation as they would were they standalone kanji. Is there some rule/reason for these?
>>143992338
Drinking coffee and chilling on /a/ at work.
Man I never do shit at work maybe I should start doing reps on work hours, the dream.
>>143995330
security guard?
>>143995357
Nah nights at a seniors home
>>143995464
sounds chill i want a job like that, laid back, no stress, computer access, no customers
>>143992441
Why would you do kana flashcards?
>>143995786
dude it's basically the same realkana except you just say the kana out loud instead of typing it in
>>143995848
>枝角
ルートヴィヒさん?メリクリスマスト夕ー
実行 : practice, execution
実現 : implementation, realization
実施 : enforcement, putting into practice
so... adding the meaning of jishoo and other dictionaries, they all mean the same thing, right?
朝食 and 昼食 are pretty hard to tell apart during listening practice
おにいちゃんおなかすいた
おくらの焼き物たべたい
>>143995786
At this point they're just freebies to start the session with. Which makes it much more humiliating if I get one wrong.
>>143994058
Pimsleur. It's boring as fuck, but very efficient and you can do it while commuting or whatever.
>>143997879
Commit seppuku. It's the only way
>>143997879
>>143996055
I don't bother with nuance. I think I'll pick it up after I read a ton of Japanese.
難しくないでも可愛すぎ
こんにちわ
日曜みんな休みなのに出勤
朝からシルコのオモチャをオィさんに渡して八つ当たり
>>143997879
>3dpd
you only have yourself to blame
>>143997879
Give up. If the mountains of VNs, Anime, Manga, literature and more aren't enough to get over a girl then what really was the point of you learning the language in the first place?
>>143997984
>>143998000
you're right if I can't enjoy my animu any more what's the point?
>>143998187
At least the pussy was good, but she was boring in bed. not experimental at all.
>>143997879
>become friends
>start dating
ざまみろこのリアじゅうめ！死ねください
What is it that makes anki so hailed as the ultimate learning tool? Isn't it just a thing that gives you random flashcards?
I started using it yesterday but I feel like I am doing it wrong. If I don't know a word I press again, if I kind of know it or it took a little thinking I press good, and if I instantly recognize it I press easy. Then rinse and repeat until all are easy. Is there really nothing else to it?
>>143998774
>Is there really nothing else to it?
>he hasnt turned on 3d mode
>>143996903
いもうとはいつも「おなかすいた」って言うね
>>143998774
It's a free program that allows for learning decks of 100s to 1000s of cards over a long amount of time. But yeah, it uses the simple premise of increasing the time between cards every time you get them right.
It's extremely useful for rote, which is good for kanji and vocab, but that's it. Don't treat it as an all-in-one Japanese learning tool.
>>143998774
>He doesn't use based Wanikani
What's it like being poor?
I have trouble reading words like 「本流」 (honryuu). The transition from one sound to the りゅう part feels awkward. How do I correct this?
>>143992338
>frogpost
>no one is telling them to fuck off
Welp, it's official. /a/ is dead.
>>143999019
imouto is probably anorexic with severe body issues
so obviously in this environment the truth comes out
>>143999293
frogposters arent even the worst, its packing penguin posters
>>143999259
Look up spoken audio (like on Jisho). What exactly is awkward? Are you giving too much or too little emphasis on n or the space between the sounds?
>>143998863
Why thank you anon :)
My studies are going so much better now
>>143999417
I end up saying "Honyuu" instead.
>やっと、英語を使う必要はない （少し。。）
>日本語で考えしている
>ペラペラになっている （たぶん。。？）
一緒に踊りましょう
>It's a Peter has severe yellow fever and wants to screw the jap girl episode
So, I just ran into this line in flyable heart:
>出てみなければ何も解決しない.
And i figure it's probably something like,
>if i don't try to leave, nothing will be solved.
But, it's extremely obvious from the context that the opposite is true, if he does leave, nothing will be solved. Is this one of those negative verb fuckeries that i just have to deal with or what?
きたきた！僕の旧知きた！久しぶりだね
>>143994579
>met some people in Japan, told them I'd learn Japanese
And it only took me 4 years to actually start working on my promise. I deeply regret not starting when I said I would, especially when Steam was recording 40 hours a week at the time.
>>144000821
its cliche but not making promises you cant keep is good advice
ive never had many friends but i dont imagine they'd care all that much
>>144000821
I think everyone can relate to the feeling of "If I stuck with it back then, I'd be fluent by now." In my opinion, it's important to remember that feeling as you study to make sure you don't feel it again in another 4 years.
>>144000895
I know, I try to not do them. And I am trying to make good on that one.
>>144000902
Yeah, maybe I can reconnect with them soon enough. I'm sure I'm still friends with them on Normiebook.
>>143999386
きゃああー！はやく逃げろー！
>>144000070
日本語が分からない人がいっぱい、ごめんね
>>144001252
>日本語が分からない人がいっぱい、ごめんね
Ha. For anyone who was wondering I think i answered my own question earlier so don't worry about it. What I considered "solved" (finding out the origin of an odd situation) and what the protag considered "solved" (escaping an odd situation I guess) were probably just different things.
>>144001549
This is blind leading the blind, but isn't it 出てみる and not just 出る?
>>144001911
みる adds the "try" in the English translation he did
>>144002497
I don't mean try to leave, I mean try to do something. As in "try out".
>This guy should voice a villain in a shonen anime
What's the difference with 図 and 絵?
>>144002924
>implying he doesnt already
一緒に歌うのはめっちゃ楽しいと思う。学ぶのためhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaRJYP6vMV8
>>144002931
地図 is map, id take 図 as more technically illuminating
the other more artistically
>>144002931
図 graphic 絵 picture
>>144002931
Google imaging both gives you the perfect idea
>>144003576
yeah that works beautifully, i should do this for all ambiguous image related terms in the future
>>144003351
そっか、ありがとう！
>>144003224
ボカロ調だね
ネイティブむけだとおもうよ
あのんくんたちはききとりやすいもののほうがいいとおもうよ
is just doing kanji -> keyword before vocab ordered by frequency (instead of all the RTK stuff) fine?
>>144004527
>before vocab
no
>>144004527
learn kanji with vocab (￣^￣)ゞ
>>144004527
I did it and it made vocab especially easy. Breeze and memorize cards easily if you go through all of RTK, but going through all of RTK takes several weeks. People will tell you to not just do RTK because it's not 'real progress'
>意志が強そうな眉をしている。
What did he mean by this?
ワンナイトラブ
what should i make her say
>>144005074
this makes sense. can't translate it directly into english of course but like her eyebrows showed a sign of strong determination
>>144005241
>what should i make her say
今日も一日できないぞい
>>144005241
That's what I thought it meant, but it is still an oddly phrased sentence.
>>144005272
this is perfect
LMAO WHICH OF YOU SPERGS IS THIS
>>144005339
>visiting some shitty japanese learning forum
>>144005339
none of us, we dont give a shit about drama
What/how much did you get down today?
>>144005531
Haha this is a meme post saved nice meme picture
Using the Core 2k/6k deck, is there a good way to incorporate learning the kanji rather than just memorizing them?
>>144005586
RTK
>>144005578
Haha this is a meme post nice text screencapped
>>144005531
おにいちゃんをぼこるまえに
ひんむいて
おふろにいれよう
たぶんこのおにいちゃんはにおう
>>144005628
できないぞい hahah 今日も一日できないぞい！！！！ははあｈhaha
>>144005586
write them down
exercise 4 hours after doing reps
get at least 7 hours of uninterrupted sleep
obvious but avoid bumps to the head
>power went out for a second
>lost some of my Anki progress
Life is tough.
>>144005339
what's the second link point to
>>144005637
おまえ一体何のためこの言葉を使うよ
>>144005687
。。。大丈夫？
>>144005692
Writing them down doesn't sound too bad, but I suppose there's no such thing as a plugin or something which can teach me the stroke order and radical of the kanji I learn in anki?
The option is to look them up in web dictionaries and while it's definitely doable I'd love a more streamlined way.
>>144005762
はははははできない！！できないぞい！！dekinaizoi! 今日もをいちいちうにちょぞい
>>144005794
you won't have to learn stroke order for every single kanji, it's usually pretty obvious how a certain kanji is written just from looking at it
maybe install the stroke order font and edit the core2k template to use it if you really can't be bothered to check the jisho entry for some of the new kanji you see
for the record this sounds like a pretty bad idea to be doing at the same time as studying the core2k deck, because you'll slow down the process of training vocab and spend a lot of time drawing kanji instead
maybe use a separate kanji deck or something, and pick up anon core 5k so you won't have to deal with the awful core2k ordering that is somehow supposed to "teach" you kanji
>>144005815
Now you're just being autistic.
>>144005523
Get what down?
>>144006057
dekinaiぞい沿いチョルウェイをちょいぞおおできあいぞい！ははっはは
>>144006096
できういぇりへうるははげてふえじはななべべべちょいんだぶふぁあふゆあへどふどう？じゃうじぇんばえ仁万でしょう？
>>144006218
出来に相会沿いいいセ゚ええ図ぞい出来ない母ははは
>>144005523
>Daily Dysphagia Thread or Daily Bulimia Thread
i just reps, dojg and youtsuba volume like usualthen i consume a fully grown african wildebeest
日本語習うことができます！
>>144005462
>not visiting the forum that created the core learning tools and concepts this general uses
>>144005755
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/435t40/use_kaniwani_if_you_use_wanikani/
>>144006466
がんばっておにいちゃん
>>144005074
The gap moe between her self-righteous, confident initial stance and her despair when she loses everything she once loved and believed in is so cute.
寝時間ね...
あのさ...
僕と...一緒にベッドに行こうよ...君のこと...大好き
>>144007488
O-okay.
I learned about realkana from the guide so and so years ago but what do you guys think about realkanji?
>>144006537
ありがと、可愛いいもうとさん
Why are you learning Japanese?
>>144005722
make sure to remember which cards you got wrong or you'll fuck up the SRS algorithm
reminder, not everyone has a good ESL radar
if your ESL radar isn't functioning correctly, make sure to refrain from utilizing it in arguments, and preferably turn it off before you even walk through the door
Why is learning Japanese so much fun? Why isn't this taught in western schools instead of fucking Spanish?
>>144007821
I want to move to Japan. America is going to have a race war soon.
>>144008153
We have proper motivation, also, Japanese is cooler.
REAL NIGGA HOURS
I feel like an idiot, I have no idea what to make of this. やなんだもん?
>>144008363
"You don't want to?"
>>144008391
That makes sense in context, thank you.
>>144008363
Shortened いやなのだもの？
How many words meaning new year's day/month/week/period will I have to learn?
Get your shit together, Japan.
I have to change the time when anki think it's a new day. Will this screw up my card intervals?
これで二時間たのしめるよ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPny_0Okaog
Post your cringiest moments from mount stupid.
I used to omit every single particle because i thought it was casual and cool
>>144010014
I did RTK and vehemently defended it here.
>>144010063
Oh man that's embarrassing alright...
>>144010214
Explain?
Anyone want to give me a second opinion of what this says? I'm terrible with any type of gana or kanji written in a cutesy way.
I think it's いとつこち?
>>144010422
Can't tell what the fourth character is -_-
>>144010480
Looks like ン to me. Itotsu's home, maybe?
>>144010480
>-_-
>>144005468
>we
Yet fights occur constantly. Are you new, or just completely oblivious?
>>144007821
i dunno lol i just clicked on this thread by accident and cant leave, 不思議ですよね
>>144010480
>>144010652
Oh thank God, it's not just me.
For context, it's the title of a story about a girl seeing her younger male cousin after a long period of time and fucking. His name is Takashi and her's is Kimi, so "Itotsu's home" wouldn't make a lot of sense.
I thought こ was decent guess. If it doesn't click with anyone else, I'll go with いとつこち.
>>144010789
i should specify, external drama
the only drama we should care about is compelling content
>>143967347
>>143968254
青っちが大好き。
俺の彼女だ。
>>144010652
Why a katagana there tho ?
>よつばと！
>Homoerotic slang that might throw off brand new readers
What does the reading list mean by this? What homoerotic slang?
やまて！！！
ハマの時間
ｦｵｵｵｵｵｦｵｵｵｵｵ
>>144010819
looks like it shows up a couple places on a google search of いとコンち >>144010918
that's probably what it is
>>144011040
it's a meme, descriptions are swapped with hanahira
also flyable heart is up there in advanced
>>144011240
>>144010918
Thank you very much!
>>144011202
これを触れない、触れない
>>144011679
Read the fucking guide holy shit.
>>144011679
Read the guide.
Recently I have been interested in だいじょうばない.
I mean, it's simply an increasingly informal way of saying 大丈夫じゃない. The way it was created is in plain sight.
Then I wondered, if one could say だいじょうびません, but Google delivers practically no results. (Actually I'm pretty sure the desutorage page of this thread will be a prime result for that term for the near future.)
Are there more words like that in Japanese? I mean words that turn into verbs (and are regularly conjugated), despite not being verbs.
>>144011773
It's not by one person and it isn't an "opinion". Fuck off retard.
>>143983711
Well good job quitting before wasting too much of your time on them
Usually jobs that are just handed out with no criteria given are shit jobs, try getting one you actually gotta work for
>>143969339
>Find updated links to scans in Cornucopia of Resources.
Did Tae Kim stop doing videos for his grammar stuff or just stop uploading them to youtube and are somewhere else?
(Anki) How many new Kanji a day?
>>144012316
0
Don't do kanji study.
>>144012316
I'm currently doing 40 with RTK.
Only do kanji study if you understand the pros and cons.
>>143994391
>he can't afford a phone
Want to learn to handwrite basic kanji, RTK or Grade School listing? I just need to be able to write the most common kanji.
>>144012325
Is this a board for retarded people?
>>144012494
>Only do kanji study if you understand the pros and cons.
Found the expert.
>>144012316
5 with example vocab listed rather than just readings. It should look more like vocab study dictated by new kanji rather than learning only kanji.
熱いね。。
どんな飲み物この天気ではいいのかしら。。。/ｄｊｔ/ 教えてください！
>>144013068
コーヒー
>>144013068
冷たい麦茶に越したことはない
>>144013043
>he wants to study individual kanji
>>144013162
麦茶とか。。。初めて聞こえた。どんな味ですか？
>>144013275
なつのあじだよ
>>144013275
Tastes like dirt, literally.
>>144013195
fun times ahead.
>>144013195
I don't know if there's some culture of negative punishment in this thread, of if people are just loser who think they are actually contributing with quality posts.
I think most posters on here are fucking retards.
>>144013450
u wot m8
>>144013450
>I think most posters on here are fucking retards.
That goes without saying, just look at all the people thinking studying kanji by themselves is a good idea.
Anyone have experience with using Kanji Damage to learn kanji? It seems to have plenty of necessary explanations of when and how you should use each kanji.
ぞい子とセックスすることはどんな気持ちですか？
>>144013562
Its ordering is RTK like (aside from #6). Pretty entertaining, would rec.
why is the intermediate section of dojg so fucked
pretty much all the example sentences have newspaper words and it seems to only show furigana+translation whenever the fuck they feel like
beginner section was perfect, why'd they have to go and fuck it up
>>144013562
It's alright, the only thing that's retarded about it is his star ratings for usefulness of kanji and readings, he says some of the most common shit in the world is like 1/5 stars, so as long as you ignore that it's fine
>>144013654
Beginner DoJG isn't perfect either, it has the evil romaji.
>>144013068
わかった！ 簡単ですよ
我らが敵の血液
>>144013672
Romaji's only a problem if people use it as an excuse to not learn kana, if you're actively making an attempt to learn kana then reading something with romaji doesn't make any difference
>girl adds me on hellotalk
>says nothing but はじめまして
What the fuck am I supposed to respond to this? How do these people study anyway, do they just add people on hellotalk to delude themselves that they're being productive?
>>144013731
>What the fuck am I supposed to respond to this?
from your response id say, sperg out like you usually would :^)
you know just b urself
>>144013195
F A G G O T
A
G
G
O
T
That feel when half Japanese, received tutoring in Japanese
+
learned this country's native language
+
became fluent in English; trilingual
And you Americucks will die only speaking English. Your chronic monolingualism is fuel for my schadenfreude.
>>144013775
Okay I will
>>144013330
>>144013339
はるほど。まぁ、麦茶の売り場ことは有るだろうか言い切れない。
>>144013696
えぇ？なんだそりゃ。。。お前が変な人だ
>>144013562
I did, now I think adding more vocab cards instead would be a better idea.
It doesn't help much and some of his definitions of kanji is really fucking wrong.
>>144014001
>And you Americucks will die only speaking RETARDED version of English.
FTFY
>>144014001
That feel when not japanese + learned english as my native language + my mother tongue chinese + learnt more japanese than you; trilingual
>>144014001
that feel when ausfag, liberals voted in again, no FTTP
well at least im not getting shot today, that would really harm my reps
>>144014001
That feel when not japanese + not american + no parents that spoke any language other than my mother tongue and am quadrilingual
>>144014155
That feel when 'mother tongue (not) """"chinese"""'
Scum of Asia to be honest.
>>144014254
>The Greens = Anki's Good option.
>Greens is best motivation
holy shit this place went from 0 to /pol/ just like dat
glad we dont have flags
>>144008153
It's fun because you are interested in it
>>144014333
>muh /pol/ memes
go to bed kid.
DJT, worse weeaboo sighting in the wild?
>>144013731
>はじめまして
>Mostly translated as "How do you do?"
Try answering?
I'm at that awkward level where the best conversation I could have is the most contrived textbook conversation. Which turns me off actually practicing conversation until I learn more vocab. Maybe most of them are at that level?
>doing reps
>barely recall a word
>it's correct
>Hard 1y
>Good 2y
>Easy 3y
>>144014382
>in the wild?
everytime im forced outside im overjoyed to come back home since just inside a small room i've built a little electric chair modeled after the death row types but at half power
one zap later and i've cleared my browsing history m8
>>144014463
>again
>>144014463
Why THE FUCK has this not been "fixed" yet
>>144014540
Is this what you're talking about?
>>144014614
What is that? What does it do?
>>144014694
Can't you read?
>>144014727
>Maximum interval
Obviously fuckhead, but what, is 36500 the highest amounts days that can show up on "easy".
>>144014784
I wasn't sure if you were talking about the maximum interval being set too high or something else. What bug/feature are you talking about?
>>144014382
Back to ledd.it
>>144013654
It's for intermediate learners, not beginners. Intermediate learners are already familiar with those "newspaper" words.
Been studying since the first of Jan 2016, at chapter 14 of Genki. I want to apply to take the JLPT N4. I'm good grammar wise but not good vocab and listening-wise. I do Core 2k everyday with 10 new cards a day, up to around #700 (I jumped around a lot with decks before I decided to do Core2k). Can anyone suggest good listening material that is around N5 level? I feel that low vocab accounts for poor listening skills.
>>144014928
If the Maximum interval is set to 50 days, leaving a card untouched, for let's say a year, will make Easy 50d(ays)
>>144015012
will "Easy" be 50d(ays)?*
>>144014996
Shouldn't the Genki listening exercises be good enough for N4? Else you should be good enough to find groups/meetups to practice conversation.
Ugh. Can someone upload 今日・いまび.pdf somewhere, the mega.nz folder data never stops decrypting
>>144014996
Try searching what you're interested in into podcrawler (in Japanese) and find some Japanese-spoken podcasts. If your grammar's good then you should just be able to understand while picking up some vocab.
>>144015150
Doing so now but it might take a while to upload on this connection.
I'll drop the link when it uploads.
>>144015150
Ugh. Nah.
>>144015150
>>144015417
That uploaded suspiciously fast for this connection so I don't know if it uploaded properly. Here is the link regardless.
https://a.uguu.se/RdJ5KDesacZw_%E4%BB%8A%E6%97%A5%E3%83%BB%E3%81%84%E3%81%BE%E3%81%B3.pdf
>>144015417
>>144015470
Cool. Thank you. Actually the original link started working and stuff, but thanks for uploading this, p sweet of you.
>切符
>チケット
>受け取り
>レシート
Fucking why would you accept loanwords for words that already exist in your language?
Seeing this reminds me of retarded rap nigger music in german using fucking anglicisms everywhere.
Why does this make me so angry?
>>144015641
おそれいりまあす...ドンマイ
>>144015641
フルーツ(笑)
>>144014463
hard
one word out of literally tens of thousands is nothing
ことばもぶんかもちがいすぎて
ごせんぞさま、鎖国しちゃったもの
>>144015641
Skosh.
DJT's opinion on listening to Japanese passively (running, working, sleeping)?
what's the consensus on RTK's effect on vocabulary retention?
>>144015836
>kinda pointless
>if your work isnt that 'active' that you can still look stuff up
>very pointless
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あと45分！
>>144015885
Marginal.
笑ったよ
どうして
>>144015931
why does aoba even want to make a game when those stupid autists are just going to skip past major sections for the 'trigger'
>>144015993
First thing I saw was ちんぽ
I think using porn as most of your study materials might not be a good idea.
かなしばり（金縛り）って
おにいちゃんのちいきのえいごでなんていうの？
おしえてくれたおにいちゃんに、なでなでをプレゼント
>>144017142
>金縛り
1. paralysis (仮に)
2. binding hand and foot (足と手の拘束)
3. being tied down with money (俗語)
4. sleep paralysis
>>143977412
Wait, doesn't adjective normally modyfi nouns? Isn't the part of na adjectives without the na pretty much like noun?
I'm only going through genki II right now, so I just wanna make sure if I'm wrong.
今年に入って仕事で土曜日なんて働きませんって言ってたから首が飛ば。
不公平だと思う尚更あの時まで我慢できた、何数か月みはらいけど働きました。
ただ一日だけもと監理人戻ってきたそして免職が行かった。
ま、この間に日本語を本気で勉強しましたでもまだちょっとむかつく。
一月前この文章が出来なかった、まだ下手くそでもどんどん上手くになっていると気がする。
私の日本語はどう？
>>144016026
>something autistic.net
>>144018435
heh, spotted that on day 1 too
they fucken knew what they were doing, swear2god
>>144015641
I remember reading an article about that.
Wait, let me find it...
http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/8627423.html
This one strikes me as fucking retarded:
ジャストアイディア
>>144018143
>今年の初めから上司に土曜日は出勤できませんって言ってたら解雇になった。
>不満だったが何とか数か月は我慢して働きました。
>後日管理人が来て免職になった
>その間に日本語を本気で勉強しましたが恨みは忘れません
>まだ下手だけど先月より上手くなっている気がする
>>144018684
いもうとの魔法
>>144018684
日本人？
>>144018143
私は初心者だけど、沢山間違いのは知っているよ。
>>144018684
ありがとう！
少し違う、私が最初から会社で働きましていたけど月給は不安だったと意味が伝えたかった。
私の下手文書すみません。
私のいもうとになさせたい！
>>144019562
私も初心者からこれをやてみる
God dammit to whichever person linked to /r/learnjapanese. I read a thread about their daily routines and that was fucking depressing.
what's a good complete guide to verbs and verb conjugation (hard mode: no tae kim)
>>144020105
What were Redditors saying?
>>144020105
http://amaterasu.tindabox.net/guide/Conjugation.php
I use these two as quick references.
>>143979801
間 is used with the pronunciation かん in some fairly common words like 時間(じかん), if it helps you any to remember.
>>144020171
I'm reading through it and it seems fine. A huge variety of styles and programs used. And a lot of people learning from media with dictionaries rather than using learning programs/textbooks exclusively.
Really any problems with it can be summed up with "they're more open/popular than DJT" with some typical reddit speak throughout.
>>144020171
So many weird methods, a lot of time wasted, and a lot of people taking classes. There are a couple people there who use like 5 different textbooks a day. I saw a couple of people who say they spend an hour learning 8 kanji a day. Some of them study only 3 days a week, and they have some of the most unnecessarily complicated methods for using anki for the few who do use it.
Example "This is my current study method (routine) and its been working fantastic for me. After a LONG time of trial and error I think this method is fantastic (for me).
Preface: I setup 5 main anki decks. 1 week, 2 week, 3 week, 4 week and then individual episode decks.
I wake up and do flashcards. Everytiem I come across an English > Japanese card, not only do i practice the translation presented to me, but I use the grammar rule or vocabulary focused on the card multiple times in a sentence. If i'm not confident that I know exactly how to use that vocab or grammar rule properly yet, I will mark it (if i'm walking) for later review. Later review meaning, I will write out those sentences on lang-8 for correction.
I add new cards to the deck. Depending which week it is in the month. Every week I add to the correlated deck. On Monday I delete the old cards, and start that weeks deck fresh. All week I add new sentences to the deck through consuming and producing Japanese. Anytime there is a word I had to lookup or didn't remember or learned a new context for, I add the sentence. eVery time there is a grammar rule i forgot or never knew, I add its usage (and if need be, example sentences from my grammar book as well) to the deck. Every time i receive a correction from using Japanese wrong in conversation, or on lang-8, i add the sentence to the deck for that week (making sure to include the mistake I made that got corrected for comparison if available). I add to the deck all week, and study those decks (all 4 weeks) during my flashcard study time."
>>143977412
>>143977705
it's the same in all languages, natives don't give a fuck
>新しいメッセージはありません。
>no new messages
>新しいメッセージがありません。
>there are no messages
Is this correct? I'm still kinda confused about は and が.
>>144021055
It's subtle, but I'd say it like this:
は: "About new messages: there are none"
が: "The new messages are none"
(obviously without the english)
One IS, the other is more like ABOUT
贏つ
Damn that version looks way cooler
>>144021148
This is such empty explanation. I mean, it's correct, but it teaches nothing. You'll only understand what it actually means by seeing countless Japanese sentences and internalizing how they work.
>>144021055
As for messages, there are none
vs
It has no messages
I guess the second one could mean that the new messages have none. What exactly they don't have requires extra context.
>>144021148
You can't generalize both of those particles. You have to use them depending on transitioning clauses, onomatopoeia, context clues, transitive and intransitive verbs, etc.
>>144020652
I'm getting a headache just trying to comprehend what the fuck is even the point of all this convoluted shit.
>>144020652
>On Monday I delete the old cards, and start that weeks deck fresh.
All that time wasted making complicated cards, then they all get deleted? Why? What retarded study method.
>people who memorize grammar, and trying to understand kanji
Fucking retards. Don't follow them.
djtは下ネタを教える
>>143967546
乗り出すのは危ないっていう意味
>>143967546
I remember のり出す in よつば being the first thing that ever tripped me up, good times
>>143977412
>Japanese people giving a fuck about grammar in conversation
no u
I learnt the kana and now I'm trying to understand Japanese grammar rules, how conjugation works, how words change based on tense, etc.
I've spent roughly 4 hours on these grammar basics yet nothing is really sinking in.
Have I just not studied long enough or am I actually retarded??
>>144023168
>Why have I not learnt Japanese? I spent four whole hours on it!!!!!!!!
>>144023168
Grammar isn't something you memorize anon.
Don't worry if you can't remember it all at first. It'll hopefully begin to sink in while reading.
>>144023168
>This is how long a stereotypical neet's attention span last
>>144023168
Probably both
Dry grammar is quite hard to digest. You could look out for the grammar rules while you read/watch anime and manga maybe it will help you
>>144023168
If you didn't learn it within 4 hours, you will probably never learn it, better give up now.
>>144023221
Did you even read my post?
I only said I'm still not getting grammar basics after hours of study.
>>144023392
>Why have I not learnt grammar basics? I spent four whole hours on it!!!!!!!!!!!
>>144023392
>hours of study.
>>144023392
>This is what happens when people take the "I learnt kana in 5 seconds" people seriously
>>144023392
His post still stands. Sleep on it and come back to practice tomorrow. Then realize this is a daily thing you're going to have to do for a few months to years.
>>144023392
Come back after 4 years of study.
>>144023168
Jesus, at least learn 1 grammar construction per day.
>>144015641
>Fucking why would you accept loanwords for words that already exist in your language?
Language happens regardless of consent.
>Suddenly, 3 billion words that uses 上 and 下 with meaning completely unrelated to up or down
Why is this a thing ?
>>144024763
Yet another victim of core
>>144024763
>higher ups
>high grade
>above
wow, languages
>>144024763
You mean people using singular third person -s when it's not singular third person?
Maybe since people don't give a fuck about grammar as long as the other guy understands what they are saying.
>>144024763
>with meaning completely unrelated to up or down
Like what?
>>144024898
>>144025125
I'm at about the 200 word mark of Core and I'm getting words like 下さる or 上げる, which is insanely confusing. How do you guys deal with this ?
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