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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true

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>>143269690
Aren't you going to get some new books?
You've been posting Joshiraku for at least a year
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>>143269867
I got a second book
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Somehow I finally found a thread that isn't 450 posts in. Too bad I'm not home and wont be able to do my reps until I get home.
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>>143269867
I will actually. Going to Japan next month and staying in a hostel that's right next to Akihabara.
I just hope that I'll be able to fit everything in my suitcase on the way back.
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>>143269690
また自殺しなかったか?
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厂下广卞廿士十一卉半与本二上旦上二本与半卉一十士廿卞广下厂下广卞廿士十一卉半与本二上旦上二本与半卉一十士廿卞广下
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>>143270197
そんなめんどいことするわけあるか
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NEW MEME! airs in 9 days

I wonder how will they translate THAT line
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How deep are you in anki /a/non?
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本を読むのやら掃除やらやることがある
お前らは道で本に拾ったら僕に返って

>>143270369
balls deep
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>>143270369
I'm post-anki
I made it to the other side. I wish you could see it, anon, it's so bright
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>>143270445

More like it is balls deep into me.
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how do you pronounce # in japanese?
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>>143270310
>watching subs
Do you want to learn Japanese or what?
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>>143270825
番号記号
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山の中に、一人の赤鬼が住んでいました。赤鬼は、人間たちとも仲良くしたいと考えて、自分の家の前に、 「心のやさしい鬼のうちです。どなたでもおいでください。おいしいお菓子がございます。お茶も沸かしてございます。」
と書いた、立て札を立てました。

けれども、人間は疑って、誰一人遊びにきませんでした。赤鬼は悲しみ、信用してもらえないことをくやしがり、おしまいには腹を立てて、立て札を引き抜いてしまいました。そこへ、友達の青鬼が訪ねて来ました。青鬼は、わけを聞いて、赤鬼のために次のようなことを考えてやりました。

青鬼が人間の村へ出かけて大暴れをする。そこへ赤鬼が出てきて、青鬼をこらしめる。そうすれば、人間たちにも、赤鬼がやさしい鬼だということがわかるだろう、と言うのでした。しかし、それでは青鬼にすまない、としぶる赤鬼を、青鬼は、無理やり引っ張って、村へ出かけて行きました。

計画は成功して、村の人たちは、安心して赤鬼のところへ遊びにくるようになりました。毎日、毎日、村から山へ、三人、五人と連れ立って、出かけて来ました。こうして、赤鬼には人間の友達ができました。赤鬼は、とても喜びました。しかし、日がたつにつれて、気になってくることがありました。それは、あの日から訪ねて来なくなった、青鬼のことでした。

ある日、赤鬼は、青鬼の家を訪ねてみました。青鬼の家は、戸が、かたく、しまっていました。ふと、気がつくと、戸のわきには、貼り紙がしてありました。そして、それに、何か、字が書かれていました。
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>>143270369
About a month in, ~130 mature cards in. I've been taking it slow to improve retention, I was at 5 new cards a day a few weeks ago, barely got up to 15 yesterday. Maybe in a couple of weeks I'll be back up to 20 again, but right now I want to get my retention to 80% (70% right now).
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>>143271106
「赤鬼くん、人間たちと仲良くして、楽しく暮らしてください。もし、ぼくが、このまま君と付き合っていると、君も悪い鬼だと思われるかもしれません。それで、ぼくは、旅に出るけれども、いつまでも君を忘れません。さようなら、体を大事にしてください。どこまでも君の友達、青鬼。」

赤鬼は、だまって、それを読みました。二度も三度も読みました。戸に手をかけて顔を押し付け、しくしくと、なみだを流して泣きました。
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>>143271106
>山の中に、一人の赤鬼が住んでいました。赤鬼

Yeah I watched re: zero too
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>>143271081
Is it just ナンバー?

I get the feeling it's just ナンバー.
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>>143271204
Nah, most people call it シャープ.
Official name is 井桁
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>>143271143
I had the same problem when I started. You will realize after some time that your progress is super slow. I tried after some time to increase my new cards and you get used to it pretty fast. Retention will go down but on the long run you will get a higher retention. Try 40 new cards and increase the intervalls. Otherwise you will learn forever
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>>143271297
well, in the context of something like #0624

i'm thinking you would read it ナンバー ゼロ ろく に よん
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>>143270825
シャープ or 井桁
>switch IME to japanese
>shift 3
>press space to get to kanji henkan menu
>IME tells you pronunciations

>type きごう
>look through the massive list for the symbol you are interested in
>ime tells you how it is pronounced

although it may give slightly less common names for some things, like アステリスク for * when people might just call it こめ

You can also literally just type # 井桁
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>>143271321
I just feel that would lead to burnout. I don't mind learning forever, I'm still learning new English even if I've known it since I was a toddler.
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>>143271106
面白い..finally something interesting to practice with, thanks
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>>143271415
what about the one on a phone

what's that one called
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>>143271106
>>143271147
Not really the most original story
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>>143271379
Why would it be ナンバー anyway I would read that as "pound" in english
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>>143271321
>increase the intervalls
SERIOUSLY DON'T DO THIS SHIT
I increased my intervals back when I started out and it fucked me over in a long run. Don't fucking rush cards to maturity.


>>143271379
In that context Japanese would read it as シャープ or シャープボタン when speaking about phone number.
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>>143271437
Do you actually think Japanese people give a shit about the difference between ## and bother to distinguish them?
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>>143271379
Yes it'd probably be number.

>>143271457
So if you get first place in a race, i.e. #1, you're "pound one"? No wonder you ended up leaving the EU.
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>>143271416
You will probably be frustrated that you can't read nor speak after 3 months of learning and then stop like most beginners. Even if you would burn out you could still decrease your new cards. You should just try more at the beginning to see how it works out. At the beginning everything about the language is new but if you just jump in then you can probably draw some connections
>>143271479
>Don't fucking rush cards to maturity.
Oh sorry I meant steps not intervalls
Thanks for pointing it out
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>>143271435
>boring ass 昔話 anybody who watched more than 3 anime shows knows already
>interesting practice
The hell do you usually practice with?
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>>143271435
This story was bland as fuck. Read momotarou instead, at least that story has some monkey rape in it
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>>143271484
those are literally the same and that's not what I'm asking

in english the phone button is always called pound but can be read as "number" in a context like lucky dragon #5

anyway i saw it in the context of some phone buttons so it's probably シャープ
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>>143271565
>The hell do you usually practice with?
boring daily life passages. never practiced reading anything mystical in japanese yet
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>>143271536
On the other hand, I've been picking out words already. I'm actually a month in a half, and I'm not really in it to stop now. Especially when this is something I've been putting off for 4 years now. I'll take it slow, it's really not that bad.
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>>143271638
>those are literally the same and that's not what I'm asking
There were supposed to be 3 symbols there but 4chan ate one of them
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>>143271629
>monkey rape
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>>143271734
monkey rape isn't edgy. it's a fact of life that monkeys rape
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>rikai doesn't recognize 比ゆ
what an epic program
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>>143272200

RATIO BOW
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>>143272200
Maybe you should learn to retype into all kanji or all kana it's really not that hard. It's not rikai's fault that occasionally japanese writers go full retard
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大丈夫だよ。だから僕がその事情を扱った。
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>>143272358
>僕
逝ってよし
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/a/ I'm going to Kyoto University this summer for exchange but I don't know Japanese fuck all

What do you suggest I do

If I live there, do you think I will pick up the language pretty quickly? or should I try learning it right now
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>>143272401
僕って何も悪くねえよ、うるさい。
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>できない
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>>143272491
去るがいい
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>>143272463
no one expects a gaijin to know their language anyways

just speak english and fix any problems by just getting mad if they don't understand you
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>>143272505
できる
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>>143272463
>If I live there, do you think I will pick up the language pretty quickly?

You'll pick it up relatively quickly but 3 months of learning relatively quickly is still only 3 months
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>>143272491
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>>143272505
できたい
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>>143272629
damn I would live in that
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>>143272200
>交ぜ書き
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>>143272463
Are they going to give baka gaijins lectures in broken Engrish or how the hell does that exchange shit work? I thought you have to know the language to study there.
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>>143270310
>tfw this airs on my brithday
運命を感じるぞい
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>>143272609
The problem is I'm a gook so I look like them

>>143272615
I'm mostly scared about Kanji, I heard that's a real pain to learn, is that a hassle fuck

>>143272940
English, first year in their program i think
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>>143273598
yeah kanji is a pain

do you know gook? if you do then you at least might have an easier time with grammar, or so i hear
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>>143273729
it's a similar system with putting wa/ga/de/mo/etc in the middle, etc

however the Korean ~ga is ~de in Japanese so it's confusing as fuck when you use it
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>>143273817
i heard that about the letters too

in korean apparently the little components determine all of the sounds but in japanese haha no one gives a fuck に and こ are completely different

at least kanji have predictable pronunciations somewhat often though
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Ever have those days where you feel like you can't learn Japanese
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>>143274695
Every day that I try to actually talk to japanese people
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>>143270235
すげえぇぇぇ!
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>>143271106
I was expecting Keit-愛 For some reason
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>>143271321
40新しいカードです?何か?
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>>143272463
私の国は1200漢字を覚えますよ。
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>>143275328
ごめなさい。
私の国は1200漢字を覚えるいますよ。
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>>143275403
要ますよ*
Fuck
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>>143270056
昼飯はサンボにしよう
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>>143275452
whatever you're trying to say i think you fucked it up even more
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Are there any LNs for adults? Like, not teenie bopper drama... but actual storytelling?

Or do you just have to go straight up novels for good reading?
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When ever I try translating, I usually end up trying to use direct translations which is a problem.

Maybe I need to study grammar more, but how do you usually do it?
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>>143275705
>not liking teenie bopper drama
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>>143275705
Read Monogatari
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>>143275721
why are you translating in the first place?

you usually do it by determining the best way to carry over the meaning and nuance of a sentence in english and then writing that down

requires more english skill than japanese really
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>>143275705
>LN for adults
>LN literally means targeted towards teenagers

That's the same as asking for shonen targeted towards adults.

Try Hakomari though, it's genuinely well-written if my opinions are worth a damn.
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>>143275957

This is what I figured, honestly.

And I will try it, thanks anon.
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>>143276074
Oh and also, if you want to read Hakomari, the first volume might bore you a bit. It really reads like your typical generic fiction at first, but I feel it picks up later on. The first volume still manages to keep you interested in the end though, so I don't think you'll hate it.
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show me your RARE words
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>>143276398
珍宝
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>>143276398
秘宝館
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So what's the difference between ように and just に

例えば、

>宇宙でパーティをするには、まずどうする
>宇宙でパーティをするようにまずどうする

Is the second one even right? I'm confused on this nuance.
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Do people actually buy this stuff?
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>>143277056
Of course, I chose the " Nekopara2"
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>>143275705
You realize that LN is just a novel aimed at teens, right? What you're looking for is a good book.
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>>143269690
Where can I buy a Japanese keyboard?
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>>143275705
Read a translation of thus spake zarathustra my man, and then make a vn out of it.
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>>143277056
This should be included in the guide.
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Bought the Learn Japanese to Survive game off the steam sale for 2 bucks, is it a good way to actually learn moon?
If no one else has tried it, I'd be glad to tell you folks how good it is after I've spent at least a month on it
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>>143277400
Yup it's very good. Basically the Wanikani of Japanese learning.
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>>143277400
If it takes you a month to learn Hiragana then you are going down the wrong path. Or you are just a slow learner perhaps.
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>>143277514
>the "I learned romanji in one sitting" meme guy
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>>143276875
>宇宙でパーティをするようにまずどうする
宇宙でパーティを出来るように、まずどうする
宇宙でパーティ出来る←Possible form
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I've come across some manga during my trips to Japan and I'm wondering what would be the easiest and hardest reads. I've got the following:
Dragon Ball
Yotsubato
Jojo's Bizare adventures
Tokyo Ghoul
Berserk
Monster
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>>143278638
Yotsubato < Dragon Ball < Berserk < Tokyo Ghoul < JoJo < Monster

I haven't read any of them, but this is probably right.
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>>143278732
thank you!
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>>143270825
はっしゅたぐ
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What the hell is he saying?
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>>143279449
ナンパ=hit on
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>>143279449
>not using a dictionary
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>>143275211
どうゆー意味?なんで一日あたりの新規カード枚数の上限は40枚のカードってゆー意味?
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>>143279701

I always thought it was ranpa
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>>143277056
Today I led someone who was about to buy it into realkana, so yeah, they probably do. I guess it's not bad but well, it costs more money and time than realkana.
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>>143277514
I just learned 15 characters in one sitting, fuck me I shouldn't have done that
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ちょっとほっとけーきやいてみたんだけど

ここにおいておくからさめないうちにたべれば
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>>143280796
You should just go through them all a couple times a day for a few days and you will have 90% of them memorized. Then you just put a little bit more focus on the ones you haven't learnt by then
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>>143278732
Berserk is in the wrong place, probably as hard as Monster.
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>>143280803
(げっ、まずっ)
えっと、うまく出来たなー
(我慢我慢)
超美味しいよ
よく頑張ったね
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Jesus I fucked up 園 twice.

>>143269541
Hell if I can't learn Japanese at least I could learn how to write in Japanese.
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>>143271147
Oh my gawd this is the most touching story ever i cried T_T
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the vocab just never fucking ends
it NEVER FUCKING ENDS
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>>143281618
You should review your grammar. Especially the particles
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>>143281798
That's what I'm doing right now. I know which ones I fucked up.
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>>143281618
>迄
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>>143281618
don't you do this shit pretty often

how come you don't have the muscle memory to write 園 like an expert scribe yet

aside from that your grammar is stank bollocks がんばる more bouya
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>>143281446
ホットケーキを失敗できる才能のもちぬしって

すくないとおもうよ

よけいなものいれなければおいしくできるんじゃないかなあとおもうよ
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>>143269541
Did Dekinai-chan start using make up? She looks a bit different.
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>>143281618
1 is wrong but you obviously accidentally fucked that up.
Remove に自分 in 2.

Those are only the mistakes l saw.
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>>143275941
Oh, makes sense.

Also, I wanted to get into translating manga and h manga.
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Retard here.



So that shit means before, and after? I'm going full atsugiri jason at this.
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>>143282495
give examples
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>>143282495
Temporally it means before. Spatially it means ahead.
Kind of like how you would say "ahead of time" in English.

Also means tip or point.
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>>143282678
Ah that makes sense. So if I'm guessing my way through (I'm still a beginner), try and figure out if they're talking about time or place. Thanks senpai.
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>>143282678
Before is used as "in front of" spatially in english too.
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>>143282495
お先にどうぞ
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>>143282495
I only know お先にください which means go ahead.
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>>143282772
先に下さいに

「お」はつけたらだめだよ
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>>143282751
Places where "ahead" and "before" basically the same:
Just ahead of the deadline.
Just before the deadline.
Just ahead of the next corner.
Just before the next corner.
He's ahead of me.
He's before me.
Don't run up there ahead of me.
Don't run up there before me.
I got there ahead of the needed time.
I got there before the needed time.
I got there ahead of the deadline.
I got there before the deadline.

Places where one can be used but the other can't:
I got there ahead of time.
I got there before time. ?????
I got there just ahead of noon ?????
I got there just before noon.
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What's your favourite LN?
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>>143282310
そんなことないよ
アニメならそのダメっ子は少なくない
いつも簡単な料理を焦げっちゃうとか
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>>143282965
Kokoro Connect
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>>143282965
我が闘争
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>>143282965
人類は衰退しました
I haven't actually read it though
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>>143282811
ダメなの?
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>>143283023
Haven't read it, but I've seen the show, it was good since my favorite girl won.
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Bare with me, this is basically gonna be my first post.

先月の始まりから昨日前、僕は日本に訪ねた。

Just trying to throw in that 先 in a sentence.
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>>143283107
she was everyone and their imouto's favorite girl and it would have been much better if she hadn't "won" desu

the actual MC was one of the worst characters I've ever seen anywhere, gee what a fucker
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>>143283079
お先にどうぞ

はつかってもいいよ
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>>143283151
>desu
fuck, eight months going and it slips the mind
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>>143283137
should be "bear with me"
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>>143283170
わかった
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>>143283266
oh the ironing
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Can someone help me, I am having trouble with the last panel. My translation doesn't match the scanlation.
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>>143283620
Japanese is a powerful language, sometimes just a few simple dots can speak many words.
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>>143283684
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>>143283684
Japanese language is the most powerful language in the world. ;)
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>>143283137
>昨日前
昨日まで?
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>>143283151
What is wrong with you? Taichi is great. Such a shame he ended up with Inaba and best girl had to settle for that other really boring guy.
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>>143283620
When will you stupid Yotsuba readers learn how to use a dictionary?
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>>143281618
4.中山さんは私に着物を着させた。
5.indecipherable
6.雨が降りそうだから、傘をもっていかせてください
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>>143283780
That's it. Thanks.
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>>143281618
Maybe you would be able to learn japanese if you stopped wasting time on handwriting and focused on reading until you were able to write sensical sentences
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>裏腹fall in love
what does it mean, weebs?
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>>143284139
it is a slang term for bottoms in the gay bdsm scene
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>>143282812
That brings me back.
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>>143282965
I've only read like 3 of them so I don't really have much stuff to choose from, but 化物語 was by far the best.
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>>143281618
Fuck ups happen anytime but at least you're going there. Keep it up.
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How do I use が properly? I always mix it with は and it is really driving me mad.
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>>143286405
read more or just give up
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>>143286405
read less and ask djt every day
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>>143286405
They're pretty much the same thing.
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???
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>>143286752
んち

の家
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>>143286798
But what is Miura-chan's power???
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>>143286752
>>143286798
I'm not sure what is going on anymore.
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>>143286855
silly joke
guy misses it
guy exploits the miss
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>>143286826
ひとにちからがつくと

ぢからになるからわかるよ
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Word for bathroom in Japanese that starts with a K.
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>>143286990
連れしょん
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>>143287016
>連れしょん
>K

Come on guys, I thought you were hot shit.
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>>143287055
厠の神
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>>143286990

No one's gonna get it. In this thread lol.
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>>143287055
>you were hot shit.
after only months of this shit im still cold diarrhea
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So, who speaks the best Japanese in this thread. Do they have a trip?
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>>143287146
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>>143287146
French slut or the jap neet pretending to be a little girl
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>>143287207
>pretending
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>>143287207
>>143287229
The imouto avatarfag is a finfag who was been shitposting in these threads long before he took up the cancerous roleplaying.
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>>143287714
Sure
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>>143287714
that's why they have different sleep schedules and IPs?
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>手塩に掛ける
Nice expression
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>Weekend anki

自殺します
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>>143287714
imouto posts so much pointless shit that it's hard to believe he could be a fake at this point

especially considering how much work it would take for someone not from japan to come up with all his spontaneous 発音 tips, irrelevant culture tidbits and bad english out of the blue
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still chasin those booger mans i see
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>>143287992
just an unfunny meme forcer
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男冥利
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>>143288093
女冥利
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>>143288136
ふたなり冥利
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>>143288203
ゲイ冥利
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とっとと海にゆけ

君の夏の思い出は待ってるからな

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKYIegMSL2M
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>>143288316
He looks like a smelly pinoy monkey
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>>143288412
im actually in that video youll know who i am 見ればわかる
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>im going to learn japanese!!!
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>>143288615
Now you know how rest of the world feels when Americans talk about length in feet and inches.
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>>143288716
god im so sick of hearing freedom units, their own scientists dont even use them, hell CRACK dealers dont even use them
since its all grams and 9mm
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>>143289020
And did you know they don't take off their shoes indoors?
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>>143289358
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>>143289358
I don't even know how that works. When do they take off thier shoes before going to bed? What about bath?
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>>143289533
Wait, you mean you don't sleep with your shoes on?
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>>143289533
How would you wash the fungus out of your shoes if you don't wear them into the bath?
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so no more reading pack

これはとーちゃんにあげようとおもって
thought i'd give this to you
もってかえったんだった
by my return home?

i get that shes giving it regardless and its not that important, the long sentence is making me hesitate
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>>143289633
>by my return home

Perhaps consider writing in English.
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>>143289633
It's easy if you just think of it as a chain of verbs, vaguely indicating the chain of events in order

思う
持つ
帰る
おもってもってかえった
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>>143289683
I'm guessing he didn't consider もって being 持って
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>>143289683
ah, that helps a lot, cheers bigears
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>>143289727
Did you see もって as 以て?
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>>143289752
no but i didnt think of 持つ in kana
didnt even know about 以て, not yet
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>>143289805
Yeah, it would be weird if you knew 以て, but weren't able to understand that basic sentence. Yet randomly you used the word "by" which is a possible translation for 以て, so I was interested.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ldam0HtMyQ

Friendly reminder that games is a good way to practice Japanese.
can't wait for Youkai Watch 3
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>>143289930
Cool idea, maybe you'll finally reach kindergarden level Japanese after reading it.
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>>143280494
Shame that realkana is now filled with ads because the dev is a faggot.
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>>143289956
That would be a massive improvement for the majority of this thread's regulars.
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おはようおにいちゃん

おふろはいろ
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Can anyone recognize the scribbled out kanji?
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>>143290182
死?
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>>143289358
>>143289451
>>143289533
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>>143289683
still doesn't make sense to me desu
what is being held here?
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>>143290218
now post detroit
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>>143290182
誓 maybe
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>>143290239
She picked up the rock and took it home
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>>143290218
>implying dry dirt won't stick to your shoes
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>>143290268
"I thought i'd give this to you, pick it up and take it home" ?
I don't get it..
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>>143290286
It's just a chain of events

あげようとおもって
I thought about giving it to you
もって
So I picked it up
かえった
And came home (with the rock)
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>>143290249
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>>143290277
>implying the little that does wont stick to the doormat as well
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>>143290120
はいはい
原発おふろ廃炉
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>>143290286
持ってくる
Use your magical rikai wand and hover over it
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ITHVNR started getting repetitive like this randomly. I tried different selecting different stuff in the drop down but no success

what do
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>>143290367
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>>143290475
I've heard that restarting it twice can fix that problem, but to be honest I don't understand why it would. People have attested to it working though, so give it a try.
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>>143290475
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>>143290488
諸行無常〜
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>>143277400
Came here to ask this. Guess I'll give it a try.
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>>143271106
なんだっけこれ
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Is there an anki addon that disables stats?
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>>143283877
>5.indecipherable
I think he means that he let otaku-sama wait for an hour or near to that.
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>>143290488
Cool, free mattress.
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>>143290475
Stop being an EOP that uses ITHVNR.
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>tfw taking over 100 hours for a game nips finish in 20

i-it's all worth it, r-right guys
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>>143291611
>they open a western made game in english untranslated
>just kidding theres no reason to play them
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>>143290324
I see. thanks a lot.

One thing i find confusing / tend to forget is that only the final verb determines the tense.
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>>143291611
That just means you're having five times the fun
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>>143291611
You're acquiring a somewhat useful skill. They just fap to shitty eroge like the degenerates they are.
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>>143283985
he's not practicing handwriting, he's the kind of retard who needs to show off everything or will feel bad. just attention whoring.
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>>143277279
Ebay or amazon.

Or in Japan
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>>143276875
>>143278495
Can't you say
字宙でパーティするように、まずどうしますか
In order to party in space, what should I do first?
while
宇宙でパーティを出来るように、まずどうする
In order to be able to party in space, what should I do first?
arent both sentences valid
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>>143292310
Both sentences are wrong. Either

宇宙でパーティーするためには、
or
宇宙でパーティーができるように
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でぃすいず こんとろーる とう

めじゃー とむ 
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