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>>143146872
がんばろう～
>that chair when all out of motivation
>haven't read anything in 2 days
Anyone here tried bacopa? I heard it has pretty much no side effects and helps with memorization/focus.
ファッゴトたち、質問がある。 手伝ってください！
夜中と真夜中は、同じ意味を持っているようと思う。
本当にそうなの？
>>143181303
I'd imagine 真 there does the same thing it does to everything you can add it to, it just means like really or truly X
Midnight
REALLY midnight
>>143181279
>Bacopa monnieri, syn. Herpestis monniera, is important in Ayurvedic medicine and has been used, particularly in India, for several thousand years in the belief that it helps mental functioning, including comprehension (Dhi), memory (Dhriti), and recollection (Smriti).[2]
>the belief
Sounds like bollocks to trick dumb hippies into wasting their money.
>>143181303
That was some of the lewdest things ever
>>143181434
It has a lot of studies. It just has been used in India before those studies.
>Kenkyusha
>Tfw takes me an hour to read 2 pages of an LN
>>143176850
I am aiming for Todai, Kyodai, Handai, etc. Not pleb-tier, just kidding I love you.
>>143174444
It's a full ride scholarship.
>>143163524
Math was the hardest exam I have ever seen, and I've even been in olympiads.
My scores were:
Math: 90
Physics: 80
Chem: 50 (yeah, I know I didn't study chem)
English: 90
Jap: 140
I am from 南米 by the way.
Sorry for posting now that nobody gives a shit.
>>143181409
What is "really midnight" supposed to mean then? Midnight is just a time of the day, how am I supposed to intensify a word that only means 00:00?
>>143181604
I'd imagine it just has the nuance of being like right on the dot of midnight, or right smack bang in the middle of the night, if there even is any difference, I'm just guessing based on what 真 does in everything else
>>143180816
Nice simplified kanji there, but I raise a
見ヶ〆料
>>143181568
but the next two pages take 59 minutes and 59 seconds
>>143181599
>南米
Where are you from, exactly? I'msadlya ブラジル人 so it's nice to see other people from myshittycontinent here.
>>143181599
what made the math exam so difficult?
>>143181796
I'm your neighbor, パラグアイ人.
>>143181804
It's just not your usual exam, first part is really weird. The second part is REALLY hard, the first problem (two are worth 25 points each) involves calculus. Easy calculus though, the second one involves calculus at the university level. Third year engineering students here do those type of problems.
>>143181665
You're probably right, thanks.
>>143181599
Where'd you apply for it?
>>143182024
Go consult your japanese embassy.
>>143182134
I'm guessing you're another anon? I thought I read something about having to pass the exam in order to take part in some program that organizes that sorta stuff back then.
>>143182326
I'm the same anon, I literally went to my japanese embassy's website and looked for it there. The application is also in the embassy and they are in charge of the testing.
>>143181599
>Physics and Chem
The nips are really on that STEM.
>トムは二十年来日本語の勉強を続けている。
Jesus Christ Tom get it together.
How are you supposed to learn these nonsensical pleasantries? Is there some list of them somewhere? Because dictionaries are useless for deciphering them.
>>143182380
Shit dude I just checked my Japanese embassy's website and there's a shitload of information and guides on studying in Japan or working there as some sort of scholastic mediator
I'm probably just retarded but I had no clue embassies were this useful, thanks for leading me there anon I would've never thought about it
>>143183491
by watching anime
yotsuba says them wrong anyway because she's 5
>>143183305
>>143182658
どれだけ勉強しても絶対に習得出来ない
恐るべき言葉、その名は日本語
>>143183491
You fell for the meme, son.
Yotsuba is completely useless as beginner material because of the high amount of slang and deliberately misspelled shit.
>>143183491
>Because dictionaries are useless for deciphering them.
That would be because Yotsuba constantly fucks them up. If you followed the guide and picked up the reading pack it'd tell you what she most likely tried to say.
just finished the first volume of yotsubato
>>143183711
i wouldn't call it useless if you have the googling ability of at least a twelve year old
you'll find the same slang anywhere else, though maybe not the deliberately misspelled shit
>>143183711
>this again
Yotsubato is a great manga for beginners. Even if it has a lot of slang and deliberate misspellings, the regular conversations of the other characters are still grammatically correct and for the most part easy to follow.
Hell even without the reading pack half the slang that occurs is either slurring of ない to ねぇ and すごい to すげぇ, doesn't take long to figure out.
ケサランパサラン
>>143183711
I've been having that feeling since I picked it up, honestly. The dialogue itself is usually very simple, but the slang and deliberately incorrect phrases and so on can make it challenging sometimes.
>>143183739
>If you followed the guide and picked up the reading pack it'd tell you what she most likely tried to say.
I downloaded the reading pack but it seems next to useless. The "sentence list" doesn't actually cover most of the sentences and the vocab deck seems to be missing a lot of the vocab too.
I've just been using the Yen Press scans when I get stuck, but they don't really help in a lot of the above cases because things like Yotsuba mispronouncing words can't be translated literally. At best it lets me see that the sentence seems like nonsense because it actually is nonsense, but it doesn't give me any idea as to what the correct sentence was supposed to be.
>>143183740
Good job. How'd you find it, dumb spongeposter?
>>143183740
Now do the 2nd volume
>>143183809
>i wouldn't call it useless if you have the googling ability of at least a twelve year old
I've ( >>143183491 ) been googling stuff I don't understand but I can't always make sense of the explanations because usually the only resources available are in Japanese and typically use language which is a lot more complex than what's in Yotsuba.
>>143182658
>he thinks you can finish studying japanese
>he thinks it's actually possible to be "done"
Bad news for you buddy. You're never done. You just stop caring at some point.
>>143184147
it was boring as fuck at first, but i like it now.
>>143184151
will do, sir.
>A third of the way through RTK
>"NOW I'M GOING TO STOP CREATING STORIES. WRITE THIS BOOK YOURSELF, FUCKERS! LOL!"
D-did I fall for the RTK meme?
Does it get better?
>>143184244
see: koohii
>Does it get better?
as long as you didn't waste ten years on RTK you're doing OK
>>143184244
>Stops doing what makes it worthwhile a third of the way in
hahaha what
>>143184244
Real men do rote.
>>143184299
His "mnemonics" (if you can even call them mnemonics) are shit anyway.
>>143184244
The community stories are way better anyway, it's a shame there aren't community keywords too to replace the awful ones he assigned
>>143184215
well the page you posted is extremely straightforward
the only thing she messes up is おもてなし which is a pretty simple word, and the rest you can google easy
i don't remember whether it was before or after, but at some point she fucks something up like おまかいですが, maybe you'd have to look that up, but you should pretty easily be able to scroll through the japanese explanations and find the part where they explain what she meant
How many kanji does the RTK deck teach you? I can't find a simple answer by googling it and that's the limit of my independence
>>143184587
just fucking download it and check how many cards there are
>>143184555
I know I'm pushing it pretty hard by now, but the reading pack has both of these. Seriously guys, use it
>>143184587
About 2000 in the first book and another 1000 in the third.
You could have found out by looking at the last page of the book.
>>143184555
Or you could read something else where you don't have to do any of that.
>>143181604
http://thejapanesepage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=36970
>>143184856
honestly if he can't read gaijin-tailored explanations on yahoo japan or wherever yet then there's probably not much out there he will comprehend
it might be best to just watch subbed cartoons until he knows grammar
is it possible to set up rikaisama to import words with an example sentence as well? how would i set that up?
>>143185057
Maybe change the dictionary it pulls from? The default dictionary doesn't seem to have sentences.
>>143185057
Yes but I forgot since I use LWT now instead of Anki
>>143184970
At that point you're not reading compelling content though.
You shouldn't need to google japanese explanations for the very first thing you read.
ぞい子のアニメ楽しみにしています、あなたもですか？
>>143185694
ばばあに興味はない
>>143185454
why the hell not
I google japanese explanations all the time, better to start early than to put it off
ＤＪＴたちは人間として失格だよな (笑）
>>143185694
ぞい子のアニメを楽しみにしています私も、何ですか？
>>143185694
第一話ぐらいは見てみるとおもうけどそれほど期待してはいない
What manga is this?
How do you translate this? I just can't [八尺八話快楽巡り～異形怪奇譚～]
>>143186004
it says right on the cover you blockhead
![gintama73.mkv_snapshot_04.17_[2016.06.22_15.50.14].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eD7w37v.jpg "gintama73.mkv snapshot 04.17 [2016.06.22 15.50.14]")
>The fuck is the kanji/kana after な?
>stare for like a minute
>finally realize it's the hardest kanji of all?
>>143186221
Looking at this image makes me angry.
Feels good having reading material that's under your level, exactly on your level and slightly over your level all at the same time, you know exactly where to go depending on your mood and how much time you have
welp now that I've left my homeboard it's time to get back in /a/, which means DJT
who here /hasn't actually studied in a couple years but still has a pretty good understanding of simple japanese/?
>>143186221
何のためそんな風で書くこと？
それを書いていた人を殺したいマジで
>>143186143
hachishaku eight-chapter pleasure circulation
grotesque mysterious tale
why are you even trying to translate an eromanga title
>>143186342
>welp now that I've left my homeboard it's time to get back in /a/, which means DJT
邪魔!! あっちへ行け!!
Just starting out on the 2k anki vocab deck but nothing fucking sticks. Should I read rtk first or am I just retarded?
>>143186556
I was fapping to that and just got curious. Thanks mate by the way.
Are the TK exercises worth doing, or should I just read through as I do Anki then start reading?
>>143186342
The extent of my studies is doing my reps (a single deck with vocabulary lifted from a single VN that I stopped adding words to months ago) every two weeks or so.
I'm at the point where I can read most VNs without too much trouble, and I expect to stay there for a long time.
>>143185753
ひっ酷いわ、ぞい子はかわいいのよ。
I want to use the yotsuba reading pack but I don't have money, what do?
>>143186697
>I just started doing this activity and I'm bad at it
Holy shit who would have thought
>>143186697
>read RTK
here's what you use RTK for: Writing.
and that's in. if you use RTK as a way of trying to study kanji you're going to learn nothing.
>>143186718
や、やらしい～よ～
ヘソを隠してください～
>>143186765
That's pretty retarded, writing shit down naturally also helps retention, if it's good for writing kanji as you claim then it's also good for remembering kanji
>>143186846
well yeah, but that's what writing is? as in, you use it to learn the writing, which will passively help with your kanji, but you gotta write to do it.
>>143186925
So how is it not good for studying kanji then? Kanji study is just remembering kanji
>>143186718
可愛く描くても老人病がいっぱいあるばばあの事実は覆られないんだ
まんこも醜くて臭くてどうしよもない老人のまんこだろう
>>143186459
>>143186284
Every episode
t is like
i t
t h
l a
e t
>tfw Japan's econemy is becoming terrible.
Why are you studying Japanese?
What is your goal in studying?
What is your current level with regard to jlpt or other measurements?
Whats your goal for proficiency? (N2, N1, only basics, etc)
What are your studying methods?
How often do you study?
>>143187359
>The real world
Who gives a fuck
>>143186180
I can't read it :'(
>>143187463
fuck off
>>143187463
I want to visit japan.
I want to act as a guide for my family.
I'm only ~1000 words into Core6k
Haven't thought that far.
Anki (Currently using RTK and Core 6k)
~2 hours every day.
This is some quality news on NHK Web Easy.
>>143187463
－ 字幕なしでアニメを見たい
－ 字幕なしでアニメを見たい
－ まるでN3と思います
－ N1
－ 何もしない、ただスマホとパソコンの言語設定を日本語にするだけ
－ 多分、毎日かな…
どう？
>>143187463
w-why are you asking me all this? i don't knowI DON'T KNOW
>>143187463
>Why are you studying Japanese?
to read VNs
>What is your goal in studying?
to read VNs
>What is your current level with regard to jlpt or other measurements?
somewhere among the bottom three levels in all aspects
>Whats your goal for proficiency? (N2, N1, only basics, etc)
fluidly reading VNs
>What are your studying methods?
anime and porn
>How often do you study?
every day ;)
>>143181303
Source?
>>143187463
Anime, manga, eroge, maybe LNs
Perfectly understanding written and spoken Jap
I dunno
Comprehension, I don't care about production
Eroge, manga, LNs
Does that even count as studying?
Hey guys, where can I find Japanese subtitles for anime? I think it'll help me a lot.
>>143187774
http://kitsunekko.net/
>>143187774
「ガイドを読んで」と言ったのに…
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles/japanese/&sort=date&order=desc
>>143187774
try typing
>Japanese subtitles for anime
into google first
>>143187847
Google filters copyrighted content, and tracks those who search for it.
>>143187915
>search for Japanese subtitles for anime
>several minutes later a SWAT van arrives outside your house
>spend the next few years in an American prison
Has anyone around here actually done Genki and got something out of it if your interests are more weeb based?
>>143186715
No help here?
>>143188184
Don't bother with exercises.
>>143188216
Fat fuck
For people using U (sticky mode) to mine secondary readings with Rikaisama: What actually happens when you hover over the kana reading is that the top entry for that kana is mined. For example, if you hover over 巾 with sticky mode and push R on the きん reading, it will actually mine 斤. So make sure to double check.
ＤＯ ＹＯＵＲ ＲＥＰＳ
>>143188611
うるさい!! してるよ
>>143181599
Hope you're still around anon
I've been studying Japanese for abouta monthnow. I picked up jap so that I could study there as well. Since I started education 1 year late and since our education system has 5 years of education, I have a solid 2 years to go.
How hard is it get into a top tier university over there? Less competition than the universities in US and UK?
>>143188611
>暗記を使ている奴
僕は2ヶ月日本語を勉強してる
>>143186721
install a brain
![[ETB] Aria the Origination 11 [13677CA8][00:21:23.982].png](https://i.imgur.com/Yji3nwx.png "[ETB] Aria the Origination 11 [13677CA8][00:21:23.982]")
>>143187463
>Why are you studying Japanese?
I wanted to learn Japanese ever since I first played Tekken 4, solely on the basis that my 10 year old self thought it sounded really cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nruEPZqFpjY
A few years later I discovered anime via Rurouni Kenshin, and my desire to learn the language grew from there.
>What is your goal in studying?
To enjoy Japanese media.
>What is your current level with regard to jlpt or other measurements?
I only just started reading recently, so beginner level.
>Whats your goal for proficiency? (N2, N1, only basics, etc)
I'm not worried about speaking, but I want to be able to understand pretty much anything I read or hear without needing a dictionary or grammar reference on hand.
>What are your studying methods?
Learned kana through writing and Real Kana. Read through Tae Kim but often struggled to understand his explanations, so I looked up whatever grammar he was talking about in the DOJG and 9 times out of 10 that cleared it up for me straight away. Did Core2K/6K for a bit but kept mixing words up because of not knowing kanji so I dropped it. Tried learning kanji through RTK but didn't like the method so now I'm just doing them the good old-fashioned way. As I make my way through the kanji, I'm also reading Yotsuba.
>How often do you study?
It was every day until recently, but my enjoyment of the learning process has severely diminished lately and I'm finding it hard to motivate myself. I'm getting increasingly frustrated and angry over making mistakes, which is only making things worse.
>>143187842
Why should he read the guide if you'll just answer him when he asks his specific question?
>>143187463
>Why are you studying Japanese?
I don't even know
>What is your goal in studying?
Fluency I guess?
>What is your current level with regard to jlpt or other measurements?
Somewhere between N2 and N1
>Whats your goal for proficiency? (N2, N1, only basics, etc)
Native level
>What are your studying methods?
Anime and reading something every now and then
>How often do you study?
If anime counts, every day. Otherwise once a week at most
>>143190047
>but my enjoyment of the learning process has severely diminished lately and I'm finding it hard to motivate myself.
that's because your methods aren't helping
you either learn kanji by context (core decks), or you use RTK or an RTK related method (Kodansha, KanjiDamage, et cetera)
if you are trying to learn kanji 1 by 1 with no mnemonics things won't go well and you will eventually get bored and quit
>>143188540
Is there a way to mine if the meaning you want is not at the top?
What is the normal review count at 20 new cards a day for Anki?
Is 250-300 unusually high?
So why should we be skipping the Tae Kim exercises? Just unnecessary or what, because it seems like any practice is good.....
>>143190875
You can use them if you want, but they're not necessary, and most anime watchers already have a subconscious understanding of the sections with exercises before they start reading TK.
>>143190765
>Is 250-300 unusually high?
yup
at 20 anything over 200 means you have shit retention, do custom reviews
>>143190765
Just do whatever you're comfortable with. If you mean the amount of cards you forget and get auto-scheduled every day (not the maximum reviews you allow), that depends on the size of your overall deck and retention. Depending on how you stack it you could easily have one day where there's 100 cards and the next only 50.
If you think your retention is low you might want to reduce the amount of reviews you allow per day. For me, I think 250 max is just about perfect since I can do most of the cards in 15-20 minutes on the commute to work.
Like >>143190998 said if you think your retention is low you might just want to use custom reviews a bit more to practice stuff you're struggling with. Personally I do about 30-40 vocab a day and I don't normally have much trouble remembering them the next day unless they have very odd readings.
>>143190875
You get plenty of practice when you start reading and with sentences that actually sound native unlike half of the stuff in tae kim or anything you would write
>>143190401
>The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course - A book that uses a similar mnemonic approach to RTK, but also includes vocabulary and readings. Not currently available online or with an Anki deck.
>Not currently available online or with an Anki deck.
グレート
Also, I had a look at KanjiDamage and I hated that even more than RTK. Too low-brow and 'murika-centric.
Anyway, kanji is the thing I've actually been doing daily (even if it's just reviews most days). I find it harder to motivate myself to read because that frustrates me more. At least with kanji I can see I'm learning them, but with reading I don't feel like I'm actually improving at all and I just get mad at myself for not understanding things.
>>143191164
>Also, I had a look at KanjiDamage and I hated that even more than RTK. Too low-brow and 'murika-centric.
ive never even looked at kanjidamage, but ive seen it around so thought it was worthwhile enough to get a mention
ive been doing RTK myself, cureently 50 kanji a day.
if i continue with consistency it will be over by mid-august.
doing RTK is way too fucking easy once you get the hang of it, but whatever suits you i guess
>>143191164
just watch subbed anime until you understand everything you read
>>143181599
how did you learn japanese?
>>143191310
just like you did?
kek
Japanese is starting to feel like a image puzzle to me. It feels like it's becoming clearer and less alien the more vocabulary and reading I do. Like lots of pieces coming together and finally being able to guess at the image.
Is this what progress feels like?
>>143191388
Yes
>>143191280
>doing RTK is way too fucking easy once you get the hang of it, but whatever suits you i guess
I found it easy, but I just found making up mnemonics to be extremely tedious. Heisig's own are just stupid and the ones on koohii most of the time didn't appeal to me either so I had to think up my own and it just took way too much time. Even if rote is less efficient, at least it's quick to get out of the way each day.
>>143190998
false, you will always pass 200 reps per day at 20 new cards per day before finishing core unless you hit "easy" way more than you should
>>143191388
yeah i had the same feeling until i realized the finished puzzle is just a puzzle piece to an even bigger puzzle. the ride never ends
>>143191365
literally yes
i did nothing but a kanji deck and anime for half a year and now i have great grammar comprehension
it really works
>>143191456
At 30 cards per day, never hitting easy or suspending cards, I never went over 300 cards. So I don't believe you.
>>143191456
>false
nah, just because you're memory is shit doesn't make it false.
>>143187463
Why are you studying Japanese?
The current western video game industry is trash, even the last E3 couldn't get me hyped anymore. I had more fun with my Japanese niche Vita and 3DS games than with any AAA game these past years thanks to games like Story of Seasons/Rune Factory, the Atelier series, Vanillaware games, the Etrian Odyssey series and so on. Many good Japanese games aren't localized, though, and those who are often receive bad localizations filled with censorship. I don't want to rely on those localizations anymore.I'm also a huge yurifag and many series I like weren't translated fully (e.g. Comprehensive Tovarisch or whatever it's called in Japanese)
What is your goal in studying?
Even though English isn't my native language I like to think I speak it fairly well. My goal is to reach that same level with my Japanese.
What is your current level with regard to jlpt or other measurements?
I'm already past Core 2k but by just a little, far from finishing 6k. I've also learned Tae Kim's basic and essential grammar. Other than that standard stuff I've learned a bit of mahjong vocabulary.
What are your studying methods?
Anki and Tae Kim
How often do you study?
Every day
I haven't been able to make ITH work with three different games. I connect to the process but then there are no text threads. Anyone else with similar issues?
>>143191545
oops it was 100 reps per day that you're forced to pass, my bad
>>143191562
i haven't added a new card in years dekinai-kun
>>143191519
>just watch subbed anime until you understand everything you read
>i did nothing but a kanji deck and anime for half a year and now i have great grammar comprehension
love the smell of damage control in the morning
>>143191677
are you referring to the kanji deck as damage control
because it has nothing to do with grammar comprehension
Okay, I'm trying to read a page involving students pulling fortunes, and one pulls number 49 (the nine smeared to look like 40) and one girl yells 「また出ちゃった？！」. And I'm not really sure what this means. I'm reading up on how it could be a casual version of しまった, but it still isn't really making sense.
>>143187463
To read H Manga, VNs and to translate, I also want to visit Japan
To read H Manga, VNs and to translate
idk
being flawless
Anki, Grammar guide and reading easy material for now
Daily
>>143191784
49 is an evil number
四 九
死 苦
>>143191902
>being flawless
you've got a long lifetime ahead of you
>>143191950
Well I know that. But I don't what her response to it means. All I know is it's something unintended. But why また? Why are you still pulling? (out the fortune)
literally out of everything より is the only thing fucking me up right now. fuck より
>>143192079
That まだ dude, また means again.
>>143187463
>Why are you studying Japanese?
To have abilities like seen in anime
>What is your goal in studying?
Getting a brocon imouto
>What is your current level with regard ...
Loli
>Whats your goal for proficiency?
Fatal pulse
>What are your studying methods?
Hentai Manga
>How often do you study?
Alot
>>143192112
Well one of the definitions for また does say "still (doing something). But regardless, this is my greatest source of confusion at trying to understand it. If it's unintended why is she saying again?
>>143187463
>Why are you studying Japanese?
To consume japanese content, and eventually, japanese people themselves
いただきます
>What is your goal in studying?
hunger
>What is your current level with regard to jlpt or other measurements?
so hungry
>Whats your goal for proficiency? (N2, N1, only basics, etc)
BLOOD
>What are your studying methods?
GRIEVOUS BODILY HARM
>How often do you study?
study?
>>143192267
Maybe she already pulled a 49 once before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V1BRHBSGjI
>>143187463
>Why are you studying Japanese?
I don't even know anymore. I want to read hard LNs and novels.
>What is your goal in studying?
To get as close to fluent as possible before I graduate
>What is your current level with regard to jlpt or other measurements?
Pic related
>Whats your goal for proficiency? (N2, N1, only basics, etc)
Good enough to read what I want without dictionary crutch
>What are your studying methods?
Read and talk a lot + anki
>How often do you study?
I do anki almost every day (stop new words too often). I read often and watch lots of animu
>>143192267
出る is not transitive, she's talking about the fortune. 出る is being used in the "emerge" sense.
また implies it's happened before.
>>143192308
You know, come to think of it... I think she did.
Thank you anon.
彼は食べるなし学校に行った。なし. interesting
>>143187463
>Why are you studying Japanese?
Gives me a sense of progression in my NEET life
>What is your goal in studying?
Fluent
>What is your current level with regard to jlpt or other measurements?
No idea, but I'd say I'm upper beginner now for reading, lower beginner for composition
>Whats your goal for proficiency? (N2, N1, only basics, etc)
Whatever fluent is
>What are your studying methods?
Anki everyday. Read to mine more words
>How often do you study?
A couple times a week. Needing to mine new words for Anki has always kept me reading
>>143192100
I had the same thought earlier I don't know why it still gives me trouble
>>143193077
did you delete this because you realized it was april fools or did a mod do it
>>143187463
>Why are you studying Japanese?
Huge japanophile my entire life, primarily want to consume Japanese media, also to give my life some direction as otherwise I would just be spending all my free time on video games or some shit.
>What is your goal in studying?
Read lots of stuff
>What is your current level with regard to jlpt or other measurements?
High N3ish according to JCAT but I still consider myself an upper beginner
>Whats your goal for proficiency? (N2, N1, only basics, etc)
Native level reading comprehension, very high-level listening comprehension and production (eventually)
>What are your studying methods?
Far too much Anki and not enough reading. After I get through the jouyou kanji the scales will tip in the other direction.
>How often do you study?
several hours every day
>>143193077
>>143187463
because i might as well be
to be able to read shit in japanese and fully understand it
i don't know, somewhere between n4 and n3
anki, anime, and reading
6 hrs a day
>>143191634
What are the VNs? Have you tried googling to see if they work without a hook code? Have you tried ITHVNR?
あんたは日本語を書くことで上手いになるでしょうか。
>>143193628
上手いにならない
上手くは、なるけど
>>143193760
そうか、ありがとう
What should I blog post about on Lang-8 today?
>>143194334
automations effect on capitalism
>>143194334
what you are going to do after you complete your quest to become japanese and marry your waifu himawari-tan
>>143194334
10 reasons Korea is superior to Japan
At what point do I stop Core and start mining?
>>143194478
at the point you decide you actually want to learn japanese, and start reading もっと日本の本
>>143194478
Learn grammar as well, it helps alot.
Hey guys wanna see what it's like to have a short term memory so bad you're disabled partly because of it?
>ITH
>>143194907
it fixes itself if you play until it represses them then restart both programs
>>143194926
ah thanks
>>143191784
Could it be that the girl already pulled 40 and is confused that it was pulled again?
>it's fucking 7 in the morning
>don't want to go to sleep before i finish my reps
>hundreds to go
it will all get better r-right?
あんたは自殺する予定があるのか?
>>143195980
>reps before sleeping
>>143183491
Their nonsensical pleasantries are really cute, which really helps the learning process.
>>143196175
what order are those panels supposed to be read in
マペットども調子はどうだい
今日も一日背伸びするぞい
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgPOZijy1Q8
Any of you feel like helping me translate a game as a side project?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XsBcE9V0XA
>>143196268
Do I have to translate it into English?
>>143196338
That's what i'm trying to do. I have the text dump but between translating everything and recompiling it i'm having a bad time
>>143196268
Where do you even start with something like that? I mean, how do you manage to replace the text in an online game- wouldn't that have to be something done with server side access? Sounds like a pretty neat thing, all in all.
>>143196459
im reading the words you wrote with 'server side access' right now
what you gonna do about it
>>143196516
>what you gonna do about it
Come again?
>>143196459
The files are stored locally on your computer in .arc files. I can retrieve the data from them, translate it, recompile it, and then tell the game to display something else in their place which then changes the japanese text into english. The problem is making it so that it aligns properly and actually translating it all. There was a team who attempted it before me but they all gave up so all thats doing it now are Russians who literally run the thing through google translate and do it that way
>http://www.mediafire.com/download/zcotasqca3odgff/DDON+Text+Dump+%28game+version+01000006%29.7z
>>143196268
その話はいくらだ
>>143196566
djt cant even translate yotsuba how are they going to hold up to the majestic dragon dogma online
>>143196566
Oh, so it's like a client side mod?
The text file is pretty small, thanks for the link.
>all thats doing it now are Russians who literally run the thing through google translate
Oh jesus, hilarious.
I'm basically of no use here but I'll repost this along with the link in a later thread if I am around, see if someone else might want to join.
Having the lines arranged into a Google spreadsheet or something also might make it easier for a group of people to work on it together.
>>143187463
>Why are you studying Japanese?
Anime, VNs, LNs, games
>What is your goal in studying?
To be able to read without having to constantly use a dictionary
>What is your current level with regard to jlpt or other measurements?
I'm probably around N2, maybe a little lower. I'm too scared to take JCAT
>Whats your goal for proficiency? (N2, N1, only basics, etc)
>What are your studying methods?
Anki: 10 new words, 3 new grammar concepts per day and then reading VN/LN for 5+ minutes per day
>How often do you study?
Every single day, 18 month streak.
Honestly, I'd like to become a translator someday. I'm a lazy useless NEET, but I wouldn't mind working a little if I could do it from home.
>>143196742
What do you use for new grammar concepts?
>>143196742
why dont you just work from home doing something else theres tons of money out there you just gotta find your way to it brah
I've been doing the kanji damage set on Anki for a few months now. I try to memorize everything, including the jukugo. I've always been shit at learning language so it ends up taking me about 2 hours. I've limited my new cards to 20 and reviews to 75.
I've only missed a few days so far, but I'm about to be non stop busy for about two weeks. How much will this fuck up things for me. It feels like even missing one day screws up the process, so what will two weeks do?
Who will /djt/ never forgive?
How many words/kanji do you guys learn per day? I'm currently doing 20 words and 3 kanji a day which I'm pretty happy with
>>143196742
Hey anon, I'm almost through maturing the DoJG deck and that is around three months of study; do you mind if I ask where you are finding these new grammar concepts after 18 months of study?
>>143192542
Anon that's 美味しい
>>143191634
Are you advancing the text after you hook it? ITH won't see the text threads until you've gone through a few lines.
>>143196790
DOJG deck. I'm using it in a really stupid way. I do 3 new cards per day, and for reviews I never hit again, just hard if I don't remember it. Just trying to get some exposure to them.
>>143196793
I think most of those are scams. I have an accounting degree, but from what I've seen, I need experience before I can do any accounting work remotely.
>>143196852
I added the grammar fairly recently, I'm only halfway through the intermediate book.
>>143196813
20-50 words
1-20 kanji
>>143197002
>20-50
Damn son. If you're using Anki, do you learn them throughout the day, or all in one review session?
>>143196962
Ah, well that explains a lot. Cheers.
>>143196809
Shitty colour choice
Today's lesson looks a bit easy than yesterday.
>>143196813
25 words
50 kanji
>>143197026
maybe I'm retarded and don't understand how Anki works but when I learn them throughout the day, Anki keeps putting lapsed cards on the top, so I try to do it in a single sitting to get an actual random spread
it's either a design flaw or a really simple setting I'm missing
does J-CAT factor in the time you take to answer a question?
>>143197026
I'm a little confused. 60 words, recognition and 20 kanji, production, takes me a little over an hour. My short term memory shit pretty fucking average.
Anons, help me here a bit.
I also started learning Japanese, I'm currently at grade 5 of the jouyou (memorized ~800 kanji) and plan to master all 6 grades until the end of July.
So where do I go from here? Do I:
1. Start learning jukugo and study sentences with vocabulary involving the kanjis of these grades, or
2. Keep studying the jouyou until I memorize all the 2136 and THEN I start practising jukugo and grammar?
I don't want to spend the rest of the year mastering the jouyou just to discover later I should've been studying grammar already.
>>143197122
今日は間違いがないね
>>143197122
Did you just ignore the advice about か and シ?
Do you even bother to figure out what you're doing wrong? There's no point in writing if you don't.
>>143197122
まるで日本人のように
えらいなぁ
>>143197409
Start learning vocabulary and grammar alongside what you are doing and you would have to think about it too much.
>>143197451
Fuck off sperg.
>>143197451
theres no point in your life but yet you live なぜだろうか
良かった...やっと持ってる...日本語を読むの腕前。
>>143197451
Your advice is meaningless.
>>143197174
How is that a design flaw? What else could you possibly do with cards you've forgotten? Ignore them?
>>143197415
まだ手書きが弱ですが。
>>143197537
嘘つけるな
How would you translate ビリビリする when it is describing a physical sensation you are experiencing? Specifically the feeling is being felt on the finger.
>>143197724
"Tingling"?
>>143197724
very fuck
>燕 - bird swallow
>嚥 - verb swallow
Yo how the fuck
>>143197739
Oh, that could work. Thanks.
If anyone has any other suggestions, let me know please (although "tingling" is a good one already)
>>143197724
I would like a non-1984isc expression.
>>143197819
"A prickling sensation" is probably more on point.
Protip: if you need some inspiration with translating or understanding sound effects or onomatopoeic words, try searching here first: http://thejadednetwork.com/sfx/search
>>143197687
弱いままでいいよ
かわいいじゃん
>>143197939
protip if you need help with 人生のいろんなこと then 君には幸いボクがいる
>>143197330
I doubt it it barely gives you enough time to answer the questions as is
I'd be more interested in knowing if it counts it if you have the option (a b c or d) selected but run out of time before confirming it
>>143197409
You should absolutely be studying grammar already. You can leave vocab until after you're done with kanji if you want, since it should be really easy to go through core at that point. You'll of course have to at least shove some vocab into your short term memory to study grammar thorugh
夜勤明けや休日出勤の平日代休の楽しみ
how does this parse? "The enjoyment of after nightshifts or vacation days which are weekdays"?
>>143197334
i might not bave been clear. By learn I meant acquiring new vocab and kanji, not revision
>>143197409
get posted up in tokyo asap and ball with the local choppers
>>143198095
You work on a holiday or do a nightshift and then you get not to work on a weekday. It's good.
>>143197812
I like it.
I want to open a clothing store in Beijing and call it "very fuck".
>>143197645
L = lapsed
R = review
N = new
let's say I've done 70 reviews and lapsed on 9 cards
These are the next 10 cards I see if I continue:
RRRNLRRNRL
This is what I see if I put down the deck for 10 minutes:
LLLLLLLLLR
The latter makes lapsed cards easy to recall, whereas the former treats them equally. I get lapsed cards 100% if they're clustered together instead of my usual 85% retention.
I don't see a reason why I get something like a free pass on my forgotten cards just because I had to answer a phone
>>143198109
>By learn I meant acquiring new vocab and kanji, not revision
By having a deck with many unknown words and kanji?
>>143198258
The "free pass" you get is basically a red herring as Anki is designed for long term retention and within a few weeks those words will have started to naturally filter into strengths and weaknesses of your recall, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
You can also set to show new cards before reviews, after reviews and mixed during reviews. Look up how in the Anki manual.
>>143198095
its sort of like 中出しの喜び if that helps
>>143197512
It can't be helped, I think
>>143198077
Thanks anon. I'll start cramming the Cores after finishing the 6 grades and let the secondary kanjis for later
>>143198128
Uh... thanks
>>143198258
To add to >>143198330, you can also configure the lapse re-learn time (10 mins by default) in the deck options. If re-learning cards is so easy for you then maybe you are better off removing the steps entirely (so failing a card immediately goes into tomorrow's pile without relearning it again on the current day).
Or maybe what you want to do is hide the review counts so that it doesn't "give away" which type of card you are currently on.
Quick, dumb question:
Can i make anki decks on my pc and then import them into the mobile ankidroid on my phone?
>>143198459
You're right, that is a dumb question!
Yes, you can, but you should sync because it's better.
>>143198459
Yes.
RTFM
http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html
https://ankidroid.org/docs/manual.html
The above two links aren't in the Guide, but they should be.
>>143198456
>you can also configure the lapse re-learn time
in my experience, tampering with the Again time just makes it so I get due cards when my computer is already off and I'm asleep
>maybe you are better off removing the steps entirely
I didn't know you could do that. That's something to consider.
>maybe what you want to do is hide the review counts
already did, a long time ago. It's still too obvious whether or not you're seeing truly random cards or a parade of failure from 15 minutes ago
皆さん、
質問していい？
太いに眉毛にはどう思う？
>>143196809
>microsoft after xbox release, abandoning pc or actively making it worse
>Benedict XVI for saying condoms make aids worse
>Jesus christ for only feeding 2k people with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish, yet Hitler made 6 million jews toast
>people that hate computers for no good reason
If anyone has a Kindle or planned on getting one, I finally found a program that converts directories with image files into a nifty MOBI/AZW3 or EPUB file. Works great for all those manga in the CoR.
https://kcc.vulturis.eu/
>>143199265
doesnt Sumatra PDF or calibre do that
dont really know, dont own a kindle
>>143198991
とってもおいしいよ
>>143198991
まあまあです
>>143199265
Calibre already does that, anon, and likely a lot better. That aside, reading manga on a kindle is pretty terrible compared to a cheaper tablet. They are great for text but not for images you want to be able to quickly pinch zoom in and out, swipe back and forward through pages quickly and on top of that, the colour is better even for black and white pages.
Did anyone have a list of recommended niconico channels in the end?
>>143199909
Recommended for what in particular?
>>143199265
Yeah, I plan on getting one, but I'm waiting for sale. Sadly I missed the recent father's day one.
Absolute beginner here, just finished reading the guide. By you guys' experience, is the order of learning suggested by the guide the best approach? What I mean is, I understand that certain methods will click for some and won't for others, but is there a -wrong- way to go about this? For example, learning X before Y, or studing Z after W, etc. Mistakes that I may regret in the future or will add more time unnecessarily.
Any tips for a scrub, or mistakes/approaches you wish you made or didn't make?
I've been wanting to learn for a while but never set out to go ahead and try. I'm just tired of having to wait for either censored content, or dubbed content at the mercy of people who don't even really care. There's so many VN's I want to read, manga, anime, etc. And I realize I just have to stop being a lazy fuck and actually try to do it.
>>143198991
すげえゲイ
>>143200190
The wrong way to go about it is to spend more time fussing about how to learn than you spend actually learning.
Now download anki and fuck off
>>143200190
Just follow the guide, man. If you read the guide then you know it takes a really long time to learn and if you're balking now and trying to find a shortcut then maybe, just maybeyou can't learn Japanese
>>143200190
>but is there a -wrong- way to go about this?
Yes.
Inaction.
>>143200190
my tip for you is watch a shit load of anime and go to japan
>>143200249
I don't know why you're upset, but thanks anon.
>>143200260
>shortuct
I'm not trying to find a shortcut. I think there's a very real difference between wanting to find a shortcut and wanting to learn something the right way. If there is no right way, and no real way to make a mistake, then I'll just get started as per the guide. Thanks anon.
>>143200266
Good thing I plan on action I guess.
>>143198991
嫌らしい
>>143200350
I was told watching anime is a terrible way to learn japanese.
>>143200190
Whatever you do don't drop it. Once you have started core don't go full "I will just read more XDDD" mode after a thousand words. If you decide to read more instead of sperging in Anki then don't just read a chapter of Yotsuba a day, read at least a volume worth of content.
>>143200357
this post needs like 1 of those before and after pictures of the strong willed warrior girl who gets broken down and fucked by orc warlords in the ass mouth and vagina
>>143200427
I will screencap it for when he comes back later, his hopes crushed.
遠野物語 is pretty good light reading.
Consider this funny story. Do you think 孫左衛門 had the right idea?
右の孫左衛門は村には珍しき学者にて、常に京都より和漢の書を取り寄せて読み耽りたり。少し変人という方なりき。狐と親しくなりて家を富ます術を得んと思い立ち、まず庭の中に稲荷の祠を建て、自身京に上りて正一位の神階を請けて帰り、それよりは日々一枚の油揚を欠かすことなく、手ずから社頭に供えて拝をなせしに、のちには狐馴れて近づけども遁げず。手を延ばしてその首を抑えなどしたりという。村にありし薬師の堂守は、わが仏様は何ものをも供えざれども、孫左衛門の神様よりは御利益ありと、たびたび笑いごとにしたりとなり。
>>143200402
A little confused. So you're saying when I finish core2k in 2050, -don't- read more and that sperging in Anki is the way to go?
>>143200190
learn the kana
read tae kim
do a vocab deck, never delete it
read manga and VNs
watch anime
use rikai on the web
learn japanese
>tfw partied hard yesterday, barely slept
>only get 66% on reps
Holy shit, I will never leave my house again.
>>143200427
>>143200448
Don't worry, I plan on getting fucked in the mouth by it plenty of times, but I really do want to try.
>>143200478
Thanks anon. What about kanji? Guide says RTK.
>>143200528
wanting to try is not the same thing as trying good luck
>>143200394
It is. I've watched over 4,000 hours and I'm still shit. It is just a meme response.
>>143200476
I think he means that if you drop Anki, you need to read A LOT or you will stagnate and make no progress.
>>143200598
Yeah okay dad.
>>143200642
Ah got it.
>>143200476
Some people drop core halfway through because they think they will acquire vocab while reading. Don't do that. Some people don't use Anki at all, if you decide to do that then you have to consume shitloads of content daily in order to achieve anything.
>>143200005
Being compelling and good for listening practice I suppose
>>143200717
Anki it is!
>>143200717
This DOESN'T MEAN that you can use Anki instead of reading. You will still need to read lots if you want to get good regardless, Anki is not in any way a substitute for plenty of reading.
>>143200888
Reading is literally useless if you have too look up every second word.
>>143200970
No it isn't, it's still very much useful, just slow and frustrating
>>143200970
After looking up those words a lot you'll start to remember them and this is what we call learning.
Do you get more pumped up everytime you're able to read something? It feels good
>>143200357
>Good thing I plan on action I guess.
Planning isn't action. Here, everything you need. Common sense not included:
http://pastebin.com/AZehr46k
Now fuck off. It will be the best thing you can possible do for your Japanese and your sanity.
>>143200769
So meaninglessly subjective?
>>143197724
"It felt as if I was in the presence of Zappy Dan the Magnet Man himself."
>>143200970
>Reading is literally useless if you have too look up every second word.
>>143201276
do you not understand what the word "recommendation" means
>>143201276
Do you not understand the concept of recommendations?
>>143201115
>spent 2 hours reading a chapter of manga
>remembered 食べる
>>143201101
Why would you expose yourself to something slow and frustrating if you can do core for a couple of weeks and start reading with a much bigger vocabulary?
Anki is a lot more efficient as a learning tool, it takes 15 minutes to learn 20 new words daily and do the reviews daily, reading just can't compete with that. It's just that there aren't a lot of autists around who can do Anki 5 hours a day while reading is easy and enjoyable but it only works after you have some basics down.
>>143200464
Also check out this story. How do you interpret it?
Why would the hunter do anything like that to the monk? Just because he was scare and ate for the hunter's mochi?
始めて早池峯に山路をつけたるは、附馬牛村の何某という猟師にて、時は遠野の南部家入部の後のことなり。その頃までは土地の者一人としてこの山には入りたる者なかりしと。この猟師半分ばかり道を開きて、山の半腹に仮小屋を作りておりしころ、或る日炉の上に餅をならべ焼きながら食いおりしに、小屋の外を通る者ありて頻に中を窺うさまなり。よく見れば大なる坊主なり。やがて小屋の中に入り来たり、さも珍しげに餅の焼くるを見てありしが、ついにこらえ兼ねて手をさし延べて取りて食う。猟師も恐ろしければ自らもまた取りて与えしに、嬉しげになお食いたり。餅皆になりたれば帰りぬ。次の日もまた来るならんと思い、餅によく似たる白き石を二つ三つ、餅にまじえて炉の上に載せ置きしに、焼けて火のようになれり。案のごとくその坊主きょうもきて、餅を取りて食うこと昨日のごとし。餅尽きてのちその白石をも同じように口に入れたりしが、大いに驚きて小屋を飛び出し姿見えずなれり。のちに谷底にてこの坊主の死してあるを見たりといえり。
>>143201382
This would be true if Japanese was just vocab knowledge. But it's not. You need grammar, you need expressions, you need context, you need to see the words used in actual Japanese texts and not just single example sentences, to actually gain understanding. Reading gives all of these.
I agree it's more efficient to do a vocab deck alongside reading than purely read, but just doing Anki without reading will not achieve anything.
>>143201382
>Why would you expose yourself to something slow and frustrating
Maybe because you want to learn Japanese?
>>143201349
>>143201361
Do you not understand what the concept of "compelling" entails?
Niconico videos aren't a fucking genre, you can't boil them down with generic recommendations.
>>143201464
>but just doing Anki without reading will not achieve anything
This strawman will never die, will it.
>>143200578
doesn't matter
just make sure you're doing a vocab deck
everything I listed is necessary, everything else is extra
>>143201543
I wasn't expecting anything specific when I asked, just what other people personally think is good or useful for learning
>>143201562
just accept different ways work for different people and get off it bitch
>>143201464
>Reading gives all of these.
You need to do loads of reading if you want to learn grammar and nuances. You won't be doing loads of reading if you don't know the fuck is a 捨てる.
>but just doing Anki without reading will not achieve anything
Nobody mentioned anything about not reading ever. I said "Reading is literally useless if you have too look up every second word".
>>143201495
Why don't you do 100 new card daily then? Proficient (at least vocab wise) in just a year!
The whole point of reading instead of actually studying is making the process of learning less painful.
>>143201674
>Why don't you do 100 new card daily then?
Because that's proven to be ineffective and leads to burn out, reading when you're lacking in vocab just takes more time than usual, but is still beneficial if you have the patience
>>143201772
>takes more time than usual, but is still beneficial if you have the patience
>ineffective and leads to burn out
>>143201674
Everyone knows that one has to find vocabulary IN THE WILD in order to learn their NUANCES. You don't want to become an ANKI DRONE that NEGLECTS READING, do you? After all you'll never learn REAL JAPANESE without reading NATIVE MATERIAL literally targeted at horny teenagers.
>>143201853
jesus how much of an ESL are you
those two clauses were referring to different subjects
>>143201853
Cramming 100 new vocab into your head over the course of a few hours and ending up not remembering any of them as a result is not comparable to having to spend a few seconds looking up words more frequently than you'd like while reading
Even if it does take you longer than you want, you're still getting valuable exposure to native material, learning grammar, learning vocabulary and getting good practice in using a dictionary which is something you'd have to get used to doing anyway
>catfight #1583 about anki vs reading
did you know: one method proven to teach you japanese quick is doing literally anything but shitposting in english on DJT
>>143201990
/thread
>>143201990
As the guy who was asking for advice as a complete beginner this confused me. Is it really a subject of heated debate whether to use anki vs. reading? I'm going to just assume doing both is the most beneficial.
Anyone see Steve's new video today?
He said spaced repetition systems are ineffective, and it warmed me up a little inside. I agree with Steve that reading lots of native material is the most efficient path to the mastery of a foreign language.
>>143202076
No, reading is a waste of time if you have no vocabulary since you're just looking up words all the time, you should just do Anki until you have a full vocabulary before you start reading.
>>143202076
You've been in this thread how long? Start your reps already.
>>143201902
That's exactly what I was addressing though. Saying that dry humping Anki is bad because it's inefficient and leads to burn out while early reading is good but requires additional time and patience is kind of ironic.
>>143201965
>ending up not remembering any of them
That's what SRS is for.
>spend a few seconds looking up words
Not everything has furigana in it.
>Even if it does take you longer than you want, you're still getting valuable exposure to native material, learning grammar, learning vocabulary and getting good practice in using a dictionary which is something you'd have to get used to doing anyway
Or I could just start doing the same thing a month later which is insignificant in the long run since you won't learn shit in that month.
>>143202076
Yes, that's the most effective strategy in my opinion. While I'm pretty much a newbie in Japanese as well (I know only like 400 kanji), I have experience with studying other languages. Reading is super-important, however you need to have some foundations to build on. In other words, do Anki + vocab first and then gradually move onto reading.
>>143202118
Already have. I finished downloading most of the stuff that you linked and started memorizing hiragana. Why do you want me to leave this thread so badly, anon?
>>143202076
You're right, and I don't know why people keep fighting over this. It's much easier to remember shit after you read it in a sentence than from flashcards, but you still need at least a good base
>>143202113
>>143202187
>yes
>no
Welp. Guess I'll just see what works out for me.
>>143202241
the more people argue a thing, the less it matters
>>143202076
it boils down to:
beginners who can't read due to insufficient knowledge of grammar and/or basic vocabulary, like >>143201674
and thus project their personal failures onto everyone else, which results in a pointless argument about whether spaced vocab repetition or reading will teach you the language faster
it's a really misguided debate in the first place because you learn significantly different things from reading than you do from staring at a bunch of separate words translated into english
this should be common sense, but you absolutely have to read if you want to improve reading comprehension and reinforce your knowledge of vocabulary
anki is not a bad tool but in the end most of the words you learn will come from native material and not SRS
anki is most useful for something like kanji study, for beginners who would have no real way to expose themselves to that type of content and would benefit from a collective resource like that
anki's impact is often highly exaggerated
i've used it for a while but it's not the reason i know how to read
>>143202187
>I'm a newbie, but let me give you my advice on how to learn Japanese
I fucking hate DJT.
(´・ω・｀)らんらん豚だから難しいことはわからないよ
>>143202294
>i've used it for a while but it's not the reason i know how to read
In your opinion what is the better approach then? I literally started right now and have began memorizing hiragana. The guide stresses the importance of Anki, but it seems everyone has different ways that they tackled it. What worked for you?
>>143202316
What part of "I have experience with studying other languages" was too complicated for you? It's pretty analogous.
If I want to ask "What's the difference between apples and strawberries" would it be right to say りんごといちごは何が違う？
>>143200464
>>143201463
Please respond.
>>143202410
He's lying. He can't read.
>>143202410
i can tell you what i did, but like you said everyone has different ways
i did tae kim and then several months of anki for kanji study, then started reading LNs
most of my vocab i picked up from seeing it a lot
most of my foundational grammar or sentence comprehension i picked up by watching a lot of cartoons, then i built on that by reading
i use a dictionary often to look up words
I've skimmed through just about every source and text in the pastebin and alot of it just goes over the same basic grammar and vocab, which i know pretty much all of. I know all thw grammar/particles available in those sources. I'm low on vocab and kanji but i still feel like there should be more grammar out there
>>143202657
1) read beginner's guides
2) read japanese media
3) read english-language japanese grammar extenses on the side until you exhaust them
4) read japanese-language japanese grammar extenses on the side until you exhaust them
5) finished? no you didn't, there's literally too much japanese-language japanese grammar extense out there for you to read in a lifetime
>>143202410
Fucking use both. Read a lot and put all unfamiliar words into anki. Worked like a charm for me.
>>143202294
Main benefit of anki is rapidly learning the damn readings of every word you come across.
>>143202316
plenty of self important retards on the internet
>>143202574
>several months of anki for kanji study
see this?
this is why you think anki isn't that useful
thing is, you will still learn much faster if you use anki, even now. you're just lazy
>>143202657
if you just want to know particles and verb conjugations and special grammatical structures then you can read all of DOJG or go through imabi
knowing all of those isn't extremely helpful though, what you want is probably reading comprehension and not grammar structures
>>143202697
Ive 'exhausted' up through 3.
Thats why i feel like there should be more but i dont know any such jap sources
>>143202698
yeah that is true
i think kanji SRS helps more than vocab SRS in that aspect, in the long run, though
because i went through a lot of kanji study on anki and now readings take little effort to remember
>>143202316
>only people who have achieved fluency know how to study
You are prettt dumb, full stoo
>>143202754
it's not easy to remember readings because you did kanji study, it's easy to remember readings because your brain works that way
people who depend on SRS during intermediate hell have trouble with all new words, even ones containing kanji they "know", even if they did kanji study
>>143202754
You think wrong.
>>143202724
i used it for vocab concurrently for some months but the thing is that was actually less helpful than the kanji bit
i dropped core because it was taking up a lot of time that i found did not actually amount to what i considered "learning"
while kanji was kind of tough for me so i kept going with it for maybe 7 months in total
after all that i concluded my reading ability was at the point where it was more helpful to just read and naturally encounter words+kanji that way rather than to grind anki
vocab is like 30% of reading comprehension and it fills up gradually anyway, maybe i'll start mining when i get to a higher level but for now that time can be spent more effectively
>>143201463
この文での大きな坊主は僧侶ではなく山男のこと。
山男は妖怪のようなもので人々から恐れられている
>>143181303
真夜中＝草木も眠る丑三つアワー
>>143202241
The first guy is false flagging. Do core and then a week in try reading Yotsubato or Hanahira and see if you can be arsed looking up all the words you won't know. If you can't, try again after another week and see if it's more bearable then. Different people have different tolerances to that shit.
>>143202821
十人十色
>>143202810
the kanji definitely did help with learning those readings even if what you say about my brain is true
after doing all that kanji-gazing it took me the same amount of time to do a hundred cards of vocab than it did to do twenty before
my biggest problem with vocab was recognizing the kanji and it really bothered me so i took a detour and learned them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V1BRHBSGjI
Steve is looking old.
>>143203064
yes but enough vocab would have the same effect as kanji for you
>>143203064
just out of curiosity, did you study radicals before learning kanji?
>>143203110
He started learning Japanese when he was 14 at 20 new words per day, and now he's finally able to read yotsuba without a dictionary
>>143203177
Not him, but it depends on the person.
In my case (gone through Core 6k), as someone who honestly doesn't have the best memory or focus, I regret not doing handwriting practice earlier. I don't feel like I'd ever be able to reach the level of consistent sureness that I want without it.
So a few months ago I had gotten about halfway through (1200 kanji) a RTK kanji deck on anki. I think it was working pretty well for me, and I learned a ton of new kanji from it. Unfortunately, once my schoolwork for last semester started piling up, I got out of the habit of doing it and now its been 3 months and I have 1000 reviews. What's the best way to deal with this situation? I've tried to catch up, but I do like 250 reviews and then the next day it will be back up to 900 or something. Is the best thing to do to just start the deck over? It would take a month to get back to where I was at the pace I was doing (40/day), but it would probably be a lot easier for me this time around as I still recognize a good portion of them. Or is the optimal thing to do to just try and power through the reviews? Sorry for the wall of text, I guess I just assume a lot of anons here have been in a similar situation at some point.
>>143203236
im talking specifically to him yes
>>143203281
paragraphs
>>143203177
it would have been harder to learn that much vocab for me
>>143203196
yeah i did a radical deck first
>>143203281
load balancer
min interval for relearned lapses of 2 days or more
have fun
>>143203281
Don't start over, power through. You'll save yourself hours.
>>143203281
>but I do like 250 reviews and then the next day it will be back up to 900 or something
do as many reviews as you need to get each day lower than the previous and you'll eventually catch up
also no shit, but don't add any new cards
>>143203342
>>143203348
Alright thanks for the advice anons.
>>143203360
Yeah I'm not very Anki savvy, but even I knew the very first step was to put new cards to 0. Can't have 40 new cards on top of 1000 reviews.
>>143203338
youd do better than youd think in the long run
the first 1k in anon core 5k teach you the most nasty kanji of common words
at life support rate of 5 new cards per day that's 6.5 months
>>143203393
oh im assuming throwing out the particles and kana words here btw
>core deck suddenly has no pictures and a different voice at about 1800 words in
n-no
muh comfort zone
>>143203393
well at this point i can rocket through the first thousand words in anon core 5k with ease and have done so already
in the long run i don't think it'll make much of a difference, as long as i keep reading new words that is
>>143203505
pretty much
just remember your brain is special if you're pre-hell and dont need to SRS new wordd
>>143203490
Several months ago, I made the same post that you just made. New cards in core is done for me now, you'll get used to the change quickly
ha ha ha ha FUCK
>Context: Guy reluctantly agrees to help someone they wanted to kill after being forced to
>Thinking to himself: まあ、すぐに殺すこともないか...
How exactly does "こともないか" work here?
Does it mean he's thinking "well, guess I can't kill them right away" or "well, I can just kill them right after, right?"? Not sure how to interpret it.
>>143203707
Well, I don't have to kill him immediately.
What did she mean by this?
>>143203739
How do you get that, is it a certain idiom or something? Thought you'd need something like 必要もない to get that.
>>143203707
sugunikorosukoto
killing immediately
kotomonaika
no need, huh
>>143203782
>>143203739
>こともない = no need
How?
>>143203781
ことがある can mean something has or needs to be done
ことはない would be the opposite
>>143203809
dependent distance alignment rejection preservation injection
uh
>>143203809
I don't know the answer to the question but your pic is not a valid way to check it
>>143203490
このアルバイトは「学生可」ですね
>>143203899
thank you
>>143203832
>ことがある can mean something has or needs to be done
I've only ever seen that in the context of something has occured and all my dics say the same, what magical dictionary you guys using?
>>143203953
Not that guy, and I'm not that sure about ことがある specifically, but I do know that ことはない is in the dojg anki deck.
>>143203953
>>143203953
they say the same because they are all just edict
>>143204002
>ことはない
Ah there it is, thanks, so it is a set phrase.
>>143203953
actually never mind that i don't think ことがある is used that way
but yeah ことはない def is
>>143203781
>>143203809
>>143203953
>すぐに殺すこともない
>こと of すぐに殺すing is も ない.
こと can mean something like a situation/circumstances in which something applies/is the case. Here it's negated, meaning it's not a case where he has to すぐに殺す, you dig?
>>143180906
First time entering these threads
Ganbaruu?
>>143203764
who knows
おはようおにいちゃん
きょうは九州と伊豆が大雨だったみたいだよ
ひどいとこだと６００ミリくらい降ったんだって
こわいね
>>143204173
Yeah, I just was reading it as a normal nominalization of the phrase, didn't know about that hitsuyou-ike usage. Thx fampai.
>>143181568
>tfw takes me about 10 seconds to read more than a word
>and that's if there's no kanji
>>143204257
いや、「がんばろう」
>>143204257
>Ganbarou
fixed
its the volitional form of 頑張る (がんばる) meaning "let's 頑張る" or "i'll 頑張る"
>>143204293
>>143204323
しまった.. thanks.
I need to practice hira much more.
>>143204262
Thanks. I didn't have to look up words until now so I kind of disregarded the reading pack. Please don't bully.
にほんだけなのかもしれないけど
雨量は「ミリ」でかぞえるよ
Ｎ３～Ｎ２のあのんくんは読めるとおもうよ
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20160622/k10010565351000.html
Why do I not get grammar :(
Yo I need some help with this
「死刑は当然の悪党に同情するほどおいらだっておひとよしじゃねえ。」
Does this mean "I'm not so softhearted that I would sympathise with a villain with a death sentence"?
>>143204265
>６００ミリ
うそ、半メートル以上でしょう
>>143204425
SI基本単位とかISOとかじゃねか
>>143204428
What exactly are you having issues with?
>>143204467
Everything I guess, making sense of what should be very basic stuff. I finished TK and got about 100 cards down in DOJG and still have problems fully comprehending sentences, especially when they're long. Short sentences are ok for the most part. I'm only 3 months in, but I haven't skipped a single day of study and have been reading content daily, so it's a little discouraging.. I don't mind having to look up kanji or advanced concepts, but seemingly basic conversations stumping me gets me.
>>143204431
御助けを頂きたい
>>143204567
Reading this is like looking into a mirror at myself just a few months back
Grammar has always been a problem for me, and I've always felt like I must be doing something wrong, but honestly I think the solution is just read read read, and also get in plenty of listening practice if you're not already since that helps immensely
Getting demotivated is your worst enemy though, feeling like you're doing it all wrong is completely natural, try not to worry about it, and just focus on reading and studying as much as you can, even when it all feels pointless, and before you know it you will have improved
>>143204696
キュン
Too adorable
>>143204567
Read more
そうそう包丁は指から
離さないように
Hold the knife with your fingers like this to seperate it.
>>143204463
こわいよ
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20160623/k10010568751000.html?utm_int=news-saigai_contents_list-items_003
でも、にほんならだいたいどこでもこのくらいの水害はたまにあるよ
>>143204466
けっしてミリメートルとはいわないし、書かないから
おかしいんだよ
>>143204757
or and seperate it*
soething along those lines?
>>143204720
>Reading this is like looking into a mirror at myself just a few months back
you were wearing a different shirt, and your hair was different
what are the IMPLICATIONSi get it, i just thought it was funny
>>143204796
近くの女性「部屋の畳が浮いた」
looks fun
>>143204796
まさかその子は煙草吸ってる？
ダメだね日本は
Why do people pretend you can read after 2000 words? I'm at 5k and I can't read for more than 10 minutes without running into enough new words to fill my mining deck for a week.
Maybe when I'm done with 10k, I'll start.
>>143204757
Yes, yes, hold the knife like that, with your fingers together.
>>143204928
You can read with 0 words, mate. Having to look up stuff is part of the process.
>>143204720
>feeling like you're doing it all wrong is completely natural
Well good to hear at least, thank you. I'm not gonna quit or anything, I'm just kind of desperate for the day when it finally just kind of clicks.
>>143204928
Everyone has to look up words every now and then
>>143204980
>>143205109
It's impossible to do any reading with SRS though, the reviews would go through the roof in a matter of days.
>>143204955
I appreciate it, I guess my main problem is trying to translate it with direct translations
>>143204431
いもうと氏はいらっしゃるございませんか
天啓を与えてくれ
>>143205139
The fuck are you talking about? Reading is not connected to anki in any way.
>>143205148
前後の文脈がないとどういう意味でつかわれたかはわかんないよ。印象だけだと
>I cannot help you on a free of charge.
遠まわしに、助ける代わりにお金払えみたいな感じなんじゃないかなあとおもうよ
>>143202958
True. I realized that afterwards.
>>143204928
Because they want to act hardcore for having "read" things. When in reality they maybe understood the gist of things.
>>143205414
>Taking the necessary steps to learn the language is "acting hardcore"
>>143204425
意外に読むのができていい勉強になった
ありがとう、いもうとちゃんさん
>>143204928
I read 300ish lines of FH a day and add like 10 to 20 new cards to my mining deck that way. Overall I know like 3.5k ish words. What are you reading that you keep finding new vocab?
>>143204431
context anon, you know the rules by now
>>143204796
記録的な業績おめでとうございます、大雨さん！
>>143204431
I'm not the type that feel sympathy for a condemned criminal.
英語って難しい
translate literally
Why aren't you using the four corner method combined with a hanzi telegraphic code dictionary to memorize kanji, /djt/?
>>143184465
But there are, they just aren't listed properly, usually hidden in butthurt stories.
おにいちゃんおなかすいた
焼きナスたべたい
>>143193628
Source?
So the subject, everything before は will be in the beginning of a translated sentence?
>>143207660
食べるのをやめろう、太いロリ野郎。
>>143207660
>nasu
Learned this in core today. Eggplant. This little semen demon wants cooked eggplant. Hehe.
>>143204370
Shikitsuta?
>>143208384
yes, you'll soon learn most of the vast catalogue of foodstuffs imouto wishes to consume
i read those in a childish voice, but the corrections in a morgan freeman kind of way to halt any kind of PTSD gnomesayin
Why is my rikai popup appearing in the lower left for certain sites?
For some reason, it works normally on this thread.
>>143208563
Try pressing A when you're hovering over something, should change it's position
>>143208563
Probably conflict between the CSS used on the site and rikai
>>143208599
It doesn't do anything for me.
Could it be browser related? I am using Firefox developer.
>>143208648
It is not just that site. The same thing happens for yahoo.jp and NHK news.
Can I learn kanji by reading VNs? Like, can I just study the kanji I encounter?
>>143208794
You can do whatever you want anon-kun
>>143205717
That is more than enough context you will ever need.
Don't bother trying to answer if you clearly don't know remotely enough Japanese. A pity anons will never get this.
>>143207988
no because clauses are a thing
>>143205625
Really? After reading a few manga series with less than ten volumes each, I had around 4,000 words that weren't in Core10k. The words never seem to stop coming.
>>143208902
What if I know what it says but also know that I'm a beginner so instead of answering right away and later finding out I missed some proverbial meaning or some shit I ask for context to make sure my translation is on point?
>>143208794
Just by reading VNs? Unlikely. It will wear you down.
>>143209088
What if I use Anki and create a new deck for every VN?
>>143209005
Bad luck, you're not allowed to provide assistance with Japanese until you've finished reading Muramasa.
>>143209147
That's what we call a mining deck.
>>143208794
>>143209147
What do you think mining means?
>>143209168
So there's basically no point reading VN if you don't make a mining deck too?
>>143209263
Well you can retain vocab and kanji just from reading, it's just much more efficient to mine as well
>>143209263
Of course there is, you don't read just so you can find more rare kanji. But if you want to learn kanji then you might as well mine while reading.
>>143209263
Nah, I read while only doing core.
>>143209168
>you're not allowed to provide assistance with Japanese until you've finished reading Muramasa
I help people with grammar related problems all the time despite never reading a grammar guide
>Not wasting 3h on Anki
;_;
>>143209440
Get on muh level
>>143209489
How's /a/nons Kanjigrid?
浮く
浮かぶ
浮かべる
What's the fucking point
i wonder if i can get some native to talk down through greek mythos, i missed that class a lot and the internet tl;dr 'zeus is a dick, the end'
>>143200190
>Any tips
Enjoy the process and you'll learn the language.
t. Steve Kaufmann
>>143209613
Pls no bully
>>143200190
>is there a -wrong- way to go about this?
Doing something you hate just because everyone else insists it's the "best" method.
>>143209764
Why are some of your Kanji already light green while your total number is pretty low? I restarted mine this year and not even one of my cards is light green. Did you change your interval or do you just rarely often do new Kanji? If so you should do more, otherwise you will never be able to read
>>143209828
I didn't open anki for a couple months right after I started learning, I just picked it back up a few weeks ago and I set a lower number of new cards so I could review the ones I had forgotten.
>>143200190
>king me
everytime
i refuse to believe 4kids 'localize' native names though
Can someone please transcribe this for me? Would be appreciated.
>>143210035
This is not your transcription service, this is a place of learning.
Google translate has handwriting recognition, set it to JP>english and click on the little pencil, then roughly draw in the kanji until you see something that matches.
決まった相手がいたほうがおじさんももっと子作り励めるしねぇ
I'm kind of confused by the いたほうがおじさんも construction here, is that おじさんも a contradiction of おじさんよりも? So it says something like
"if you had a partner you could make more of an effort towards having a baby compared to doing it with おじさん"?
>>143210112 is right but this is also piss easy and it's the end of the thread so I'll help
>>143210035
松尾涼平 -> matsuo ryouhei (probably)
translate his name as Coolpeace Pinetail
>>143210354
>涼
strike
>松
probably not
>>143210354
りょうへいじゃなくてじゅんぺいだとおもうよ
>淳平
>>143210403
>涼
oops, 享 and the water radical then, cba to draw that out
that is definitely 松 though
>>143208794
Yes i did that, just get a texthooker so you can copy/paste the kanji in your dictionary and don't have to manually look them up.
>>143209147
>a new deck for every VN
Don't, Anki isn't optimized for a large number of decks. Tag your notes if you want to organize them.
>>143210452
nevermind im autistic, yeah its 松
>>143209613
My dick is exactly 1000 kanji longer than yours.
>>143210563
This I made many decks and now I'm fucked up.
>>143210606
Well, we were both wrong about one, so we're even
>>143210449
ありがとう、ミスだった
>>143210305
If you had a partner dad wouldn't have to keep worrying about getting more kids so stop being a neet, get a girlfriend and continue our family's legacy, anon.
>>143208934
You must be adding duplicate or obvious words.
>>143210779
Oh yeah thanks a lot anon
ってなんでやねん！
>>143210305
If there was a partner ojisan too could make more of an effort to make children. (I'm assuming ojisan refers to the speaker himself.)
>>143200464
>遁げず
What kind of inflection is that?
And did the 狐 strangle him or he the 狐? And I don't get the whole "孫左衛門の神様よりは御利益ありと" phrase (among others). Is it one of those "The god answered his prayers, but ironically that's what got him killed?"
>>143211117
I thought that but I figured it would make more sense as よりも, I just don't know anymore
>>143211117
where does しねぇ come into play here
How much time do you guys put in per day or week?
>>143211514
6-10 hours, sometimes more, but a lot of it is pretty casual
>>143211457
post the fucking context
>>143211514
Like 1 hour of anki, 2 hours of reading per day
>>143211464
死ねぇ
>>143211514
Most of my free time spent with Japanese shit, so if you count that as learning then probably around ~20 if I procrastinate hardcore and 35 if I don't.
自分が自分を否定せず、自分を他人が否定しない世界。
Does that mean the guy was rejected by the others despite not rejecting the world himself?
Is that sentence confusing or do I just suck at grammar?
>>143205357
ありがとうございましゅた
>>143209613
I was surprised when I saw the count.
>>143209613
Is there a way to make it combine decks or does it only ever work for one at a time?
>>143212417
No. It means "a world where you're denied neither by yourself nor other people". Except the Japanese sentence doesn't use the passive form, of course.
>>143209005
Hi you're not supposed to answer questions when you're a beginner :)
>>143212595
Thanks anon.
>>143212574
You can make the grid for all subdecks in a deck as long as all the fields with kanji match the pattern specified in the settings. You can make subdecks by dragging a deck onto another deck. I modified the addon a bit to be able to specify multiple field names for >>143212549, not sure if I didn't break anything, but I can post it here if anyone wants it.
>>143212549
>mine is a few millimeters bigger
That feels somewhat nice
>>143212771
No offence meant! :) Just want to let you know that as a beginner, you're likely to have lots of misconceptions due to your inexperience with the language, so you should try not to spread these to others :D If you're unlucky, you'll draw a lot of flak from the meanies here too... :(
>>143212734
Ah nice, thanks
>>143212842
Just because I'm curious, who'd you mean to quote?
>>143213011
I don't know what you're trying to say.......
>>143187463
- Porn.
- To be able to read all that glorious untranslated h-manga and h-games.
- 0
- whatever allows me to read porn and make out what's happening
- anki and reading shit with kanjitomo, then looking up a translated version and see how I did
- daily
post japanese kanji that describe you
玄同
Reminder that if you reply to "survey" posts you are doing nothing but shit up the thread. Nobody gives a shit about your answer. Not even the person who posts the original survey
>>143214383
back to /v/ you go, friend!
