If Akira Toriyama was willing to hear one advice from you how Dragon Ball should be changed, what would you tell him?
I's say: "Bring back Piccolo in action, bitch"
Just interested in your ideas..
>Bring back Piccolo in action, bitch
Faced hit and almost beat him a couple of episodes ago.
>>142541122
Use the fucking catalog
>>142522378
>>142542084
This thread can be good once the other reach bump limit tho
Retire Goku and Vegeta.
Let Gohan and the other younger ones be the focus. Have story arcs that just aren't power wanking.
>>142541122
Kill off goku and have a new mc.
Dragon Ball ended 20 years ago, I couldn't change anything even if I wanted to
>>142541122
increase the budget even more for higher animation quality.
The in between scenes are still poorly drawn, hopefully the Trunks arc puts to use the new increased budget they got recently.
>>142542679
Dragon Ball now is killing anime.
>>142541122
Change TOEI to BONES
Alternate universe Gokus working together to find a way.
Make Dragonball great again
>>142543039
ALWAYS
>>142543039
>>142542814
The only decent idea here, too bad it will never happen
>>142541122
"Xenoverse arc"
>>142541122
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Golden Oozaru Cell who knows the Kaio-kenDid I forget anything?
>>142541122
"stop being such a damn scatterbrain"
Seriously, we never had launch in Z because he literally forgot she existed.
>>142545968
in the very first episode before Raditz shows up Krillin explains to Bulma she peaced out.
That's plenty of explanation for a side character.
She even donated her energy for the Spirit Bomb against Buu so people like you will shut up.
>>142541122
Make Vegeta beat the main villain instead of Goku.
Tell him to end it asap
>>142546582
If this arc is supposed to mirror the original Future Trunks arc then it'll be Gohan breaking through and defeating the main villain.
Reveal that Master Roshi was behind it all, and is actually the strongest being in the multiverse. He explains to Goku that he planned it all from the beginning, and created this universe because he was bored.
Instead of fighting, Goku enters a state of catatonic confusion and his soul floats through the multiverse as he contemplates what could've been.
This is interspersed with scenes of Roshi beating the shit out of anyone who dares to battle him. We see him defeat Platinum Diamond Frieza and Omega Cell.
When Goku returns after his soul journey, he realizes that he is trapped in a manga and anime, after the terrifying realization that the anomalies he has witnessed throughout his life, as well as the lapses in logic and the violations of basic cause and effect (or at least, correlations of such) do not seem consistent with a functioning reality, and thus, there must be a more substantial and "real" reality that their universe is nothing but a simulation within and thereof.
>>142543039
FINDS
>>142543039Threadly reminder that you should stop posting that because it triggers mods and it's a thing.https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/
>>142546759
He becomes the anime deadpool
>>142545968
You are right
>>142546582
That would finally bring some deepness in the story. He simply is the deepest character
>>142545872
Still needs to be powered by Towa's Dark Magic, has the Majin seal imposed, uses the Potara earring to fuse with his other multiverse (at least Universe 6) counterpart.
>>142541122
"Stop"
ARE THERE GOING TO BE MORE MAI DOUJINS NOW?
>>142548427
i hope so
>>142541122
Have Gohan's training actually lead somewhere. Not have him be Goku 2.0. But have him just be the same good guy, lovable family man who can turn on the boosters and fuck niggas up when he needs to.
Toriyama can write him to be as strong as he wants him to be. He doesn't need to train 24/7 and ignore his family to be strong.
>>142546706
Only if he's been in the room of space and time training in between meetings and family time.
honestly i wouldn't tell him to change anything because he is already doing the multiverse tournament that i always wanted to see
i don't know, write Vados and champa as a married couple so i can ship them
give Piccolo something that puts him on the same level as goku and vegeta
maybe, just maybe make gt another universe so we can see >>142543039 but honestly gt is almost dead to me so i don't care if it doesn't happen
mmm.. could you add another freezie pop from another universe but make this one actually a good guy and a hero of justice, also make him do poses like the ginyu force
>>142548503
>mai will never look like that because she has been modernized with new anime style
Why even live
Let Goku travel to the future so he can hang out with future Bulma.
https://youtu.be/pkPfJ1RFiuQ
>>142548990
That reminds isn't future chi-chi still alive right? just sewing things and looking at the picture of her dead son and husband.
>>142549061
Yeah
Fuck her though
>goku is almost dead after fighting vegeta
>gives no fucks while Bulma is there for goku
Yajirobe being the true bro, asked if he could punch Chichi after hearing Chichi treat Goku like that.
>>142549174
she learned her lessons hard in the future
studying can't save the world/
>>142548923
OP here.
The thing with Piccolo was exactly what I meant. I know Toriyama took the first step with putting him instead of Gohan in the tournament but it just doesn't feel like he is going to accomplish smth. with his for now limited potential. I don't know how I would write it but he needs a power up.
Let Evil Goku fight Vegeta then let vegeta win
>>142541122
>200 years later cast is all dead and gone
>peace in the universe
>saiyan blood has intermixed with a %of the human and animal people blood
>story turns into basically The Breaker season 1
>????
>Profit.
>>142541122
>If Akira Toriyama was willing to hear one advice from you how Dragon Ball should be changed, what would you tell him?
I'd tell him to stop doing dragon ball and just fuck off already.
>>142549512
Neat
Easy:
Tournament where it's magically impossible to fly.
That means the fighters have to rely on martial arts and interesting techniques again.
Flying was what killed DB.
>>142542637
Gohan isn't a fighter.
I like that because it not that old boring "Like father like son" because Gohan is not like Goku at all. He may have the potential to be way stronger than both Goku and Vegeta but he chose not to because it doesn't interest him
>>142550322
Chichi did this
>Piccolo fuses with his counter part from lets say Universe 3
>U3 is already destroyed, no dragon balls, so U3 Piccolo decides that after the fusion they will stay in main Universe
>All Piccolos have the exact same character to begin with
>Status quo is in tact but Piccolo is now 100 times stronger
He could also have a god transformation where his antennas stand up and he gets some tribal marks all over his body
>>142541122
Super powered up Krillin vs. Evil Goku
>>142541122
My advice? Let it rest, it's long over.
>>142550529
Epic
>>142550322
I hate that he had the most potential to begin with. It just waters down everything we saw with Goku originally.
It would be like experiencing wayne gretzky, and then his nerd son all of a sudden has more potential with less practice.
>>142541167
No he didnt.
>>142541122
Lock goku and vegeta up in a time capsule, let weaker characters like krillin yamcha and tien power up a lot to the point where they can actually do something.
>>142541167
That was the not-frieza he almost defeated. Which is impressive for him too. If it weren't for that poison shit he would have won
>>142550816
I wasn't really impressive considering Picollos power level when he fought cell first form and 17, if anything he struggled against a 100% full power freeza when he should have just one shot him.
>>142550803
Krillin really needs some love again. Literally the brest bro and now it was shown how he wanted goku to punch him for fun, which almost killed him and how afraid he was against frieza's henchmen even though they weren't actually a problem for him, he's just so demoralized and even became a fucking cop. It's not right.
>>142541122
delete everything that came with and after dragon ball z
>>142550893
Yeah, I feel the same way, he's always been my favorite.
>>142550893
He needs some new attack that can kill enemies that are way above his actual level again, that was what I loved about him in Z, he made up for his human weakness with awesome techniques.
>>142549174
Yeah. She's a bit more preoccupied with her 5 year old son who was kidnapped by the demon king piccolo for an entire year who was just at ground zero of an alien attack than she was about her seasoned martial artist husband. I mean, fair enough, she could probably have been more sentimental, but at the time her priorities were different.
>>142549512
This would be nice, let Vegeta get his wish and at last kill Kakarotto, at least some version.
>>142548427
>>142548503
yeah. hopefully
Why do the STUPID FUCKING MODS limit the amount of Dragon Ball threads to 1 but don't delete the 100 MOESHIT threads that spam /a/ at all times?
Stupid moeshitters have the nerve to call Dragon Ball threads cancer.
I would say
"Every 5th episode should be devoted to a specific character's side arc"
>Yamcha side arc
>Piccolo side arc
>Freeza side arc
An episode where they are just doing their own thing. Their daily business even. Like what is Cell doing now?
Let Krillin become as strong as Goku, or at least formidable.
The human characters need some love, and I can't think of one more deserving then Krillin, after everything he's gone through. Dude deserves to be a fighting force.
>>142551141
I understand, but saying she didn't give a fuck about goku after gohan was fine? Fuck chichi. Ungrateful bitch.
>>142551629
Tien deserves it more than Krillin. Krillin never worked as hard.
>>142551585
>Like what is Cell doing now?
Rotting in hell.
Hmm...wasn't Bulma literally the greatest mind on the planet? What's stopping her from making an incredibly powerful android on par with SSB? If an old man can do it, why can't her?
>>142541122
Probably bring back more of the obscure forgotten characters.
maybe more fun adventure arcs. Change the dynamic up.
>>142541122
Make all characters the same race, so they don't lose at the starting line.
>>142551689
She's just mad at him for letting Gohan fight at all. She definitely cares about him but in the moment she's still holding a petty grudge. Also it doesn't seem to bother Goku much.
>>142541122
I say please don't ruin Future Trunks l
All i ask but i doubt it .
An arc where Goku, Vegeta, and anyone else with Saiyan blood is put out of commission, and it's up to the human fighters to save the day.
>>142551941
That wasn't goku's fault. Goku had died sacrificing his life to save kidnapped gohan and the earth. He comes back to save the earth with no idea that piccolo was training him.
She is just a horrible person in that moment.
>>142552295
Although she'd have no way to know it, Goku DID literally tell Gohan to fight Vegeta, 1 on 1 to distract him. He's not exactly blameless.
>>142550322
>Gohan isn't a fighter.
I can't accept this. Seriously.
>>142550291
If i knew how to draw i would make a doujinshi where Yamcha was the focus. Something along the lines of Dragon Ball GT.
Power level would be low, (We're talking about Yamcha after all), that way doesn't feel contrived to face stronger enemies.
>yamcha reminisces about his past
>he feels that he must prove something for himself
>let's face opponents from other planets
>adventure starts, take puar with him
>no saiyans, namekians and gods meddling in his jorney
>faces some leftover freeza army
>faces some other threats
>hilarity ensues
>action ensues
>he cames back to earth stronger than ever(not much)
>challenges Goku to a classic tenkaichi budokai match
>if you touch the floor you lose rule
>no flying
>goku isn't allowed to tap on that saiyan gene to gain upperhand, only base form
>final destination
>>142541122
Just cancel the show bro.
So is Evil Goku just technically a Vegito that fused with his counterparts using the potara rings?
>>142552576
Gohan had already been fighting. Gohan already had his training. Gohan returned to fight Vegeta on his own. Goku was literally a heap on the ground and Vegeta was gonna fucking kill him and destroy the earth.
Of course he told Gohan to fight him 1v1 you tard. Spirit Bomb was their last hope and now they had a way to use it with Gohan and Krillin there.
Only reason Goku couldn't use it before is because he didn't have time to prep. Gohan provided that time and now it was actually a viable tactic.
Goku literally did nothing wrong in the saiyan arc.
I want tohold hands withMai.
>>142554001
You're misunderstanding me. I understand why all of it happened.I also think having your 5 year old fight a seasoned warrior in his mid 20s is still negligible. It had to be done, of course, but from a new mother's POV, she might be pretty miffed about that.
AYYYYY
>SKKRRRR
>>142554443
we dem boizz
Better fight choreography/cinematography. As bad as the art is sometimes, and the overall lazy animation, having both of those things top notch wouldn't help the ass tier fight scenes.
If not that, I'd like him to put danger back in the series at some point.
>>142541122
Dump Toei and keep up the good work.
Also thanks for the childhood memories.
Make Super Cyan White. His originally reasoning for making it blue was because a future character would show up and it'd be too confusing. Well Future Trunks is here and he has blue hair like the original manga version instead of white?
It's just confusing. Other than that, just better fights/animation.
>>142554443
>>142554463
>>142554494
ABP
Always
Be
Posing
>>142554629
why couldn't toriyama give rights to a different studio? is it because of legal matters?
I actually enjoy most of super's story, imagine if the rights were given over to ufotable or madhouse.... what a cruel fucking world.
>>142541122
Goku should fight Superman.
>>142555289
Draw. Plot armor too strong on both sides.
>>142554443
Nice try, Burter
>>142541122
Just make a series of adventures with the cast, building off their characters and having some fun with them rather than anything super serious. I'd love a story with the turtle hermit students doing something together, Or Bulma and Chi-chi, or Pan and bra, or a Son family adventure. Something that focuses on the mystical, adventurous and unknown rather than just, who's the next strong guy to punch.
>>142555482
Goku has been losing a lot in Super.
>>142556470
Goku lost a lot in Z too.
>>142550291
Ten Shinhan arc was the best Dragonball arc though and he could fly.
>>142548503
>>142548936
>>142556826
Agree. He seemed so skilled and the fighting scenes were so creative back then. Also the "winning move" being based on coincidence was unpredictable. Ten-Shinhan even had this crazy good character development.
>>142557603
So how will exactly help?
She appears in every episode in the trunks arc right?
>>142558328
>Mai’s voice actress, Eiko Yamada, recently commented on Twitter that she would be on the show “every week” beginning with episode 47:
yup
>>142548923
>mfw Piccolo fuses with a Namekian from another universe.
>>142541122
Kill off goku and actually keep him dead. Everyone else has become useless because goku continues his Deus ex machina power ups... everyone else, who has experienced some level of character development, has been, effectively, killed off.
>>142555511
>Bulma and Chi-chi
This so much
I want to see the Dragonmilfs in action, these two especially. Or at least of slice of life episode focusing on them. Or even a fan service episode where the girls have to wear that battle bikini she Chi Chi wore as a kid for some reason. Throw 18 and Videl into the mix and I don't think my dick could handle that
>>142558868
Well goku will not be able to play the hero now, unless evil goku is a separate goku
>>142559325
Toei wants more Goku, Evil Goku and Goku are separated beings.
>>142558868
This so much.
GT universe Saiyans come and save everything.
TIME PATROL
I want to fuck Mai
>>142559591
Fanfics dont count anon.
>>142558724
>>142558328
>>142558724
>So how will exactly help?
How will Mai help? no clue. Maybe her weapon shoots needles to freak Goku out.
She apparently has a pretty big role but who knows what it will be?
>>142559903
can't blame you
>>142560189
>a pretty big role
If I remember well, what was said was "she has a mayor role". So, as long we don't genuinely think she's the one giving the final blow to the antagonist, it's safe to assume that she's some sort of co-protagonist to Trunks in this.
>>142560411
you're right. a surprisingly mayor role
>>142560610
>mayor
major
>>142541122
One punch crossover
Would be goat esp for tje upcoming tourny.
Goku should invent some new moves, every special move goku knows he learnt from someone else. Has he ever came up with a move by himself?
>>142560610
Also. black goku doesn't seem fond of saiyans.
Mai can hope Future Trunks didn't get her pregnant or else he might go after her too
I want something surprising to happen this arc, but knowing Super, it's probably just Cyborg Goku or some lazy shit.
>>142550881
Vegeta, who in base form should be somewhere among Buu's level, had to turn into SSJ to make it a quick victory against Frost. That means that Frost is quite more powerful that Freezer in the Namek arc, although not nearly as powerful as Freezer in RoF. So for Piccoro to be able to fight against him is pretty impressive, actually.
Pick your suffering for Trunks
1. Mai dies in the end.
2. Mai is an android.
3. Mai is a spy for antagonists.
4. All of the above.
>>142562252
Is Future Bulma dying not enough? You monsters really enjoy to watch him suffer.
>>142562252
I choose HOPE
>>142541122
Bring back Ginyu for body change shenanigans.
how old is trunks right now
at some point he is supposed to look like this like that point between kid trunks and future trunks
is he going to grow up un super?
>>142541122
Just end the fucking series already. It was never good and it keeps getting worse with each saga.
Everyone seems to be shitting on Super. I picked it up again a few days ago. Currently working through the Frieza Arc and I'm actually enjoying it.
Love that they brought back Ginyu, one of my all-time favourite DBZ characters. Was he in the Fukatsu no F film, or did they just put him in the Super version? Never watched that film.
Anyway yes, animation ranges from terrible to almost acceptable and it's a shame. But it's still entertaining for the most part.
>>142544122
I keep seeing pics like these in DB threads lately. Am I missing something?
>>142563321
>Mai x Trunks in our world
>A young girl with the mind of an experienced adult showing Trunks the sex
>>142564112
>Mai
>experienced adult
>>142564234
>Implying MaixShuxPilaf isn't a nightly thing
>>142562252
I'll go with these:
>>142563125
>>142563321
>>142564112
Dude, Mai is pretty muck almost in the same level as kid Trunks in that regard.
>>142564304
Fuck, I don't have those manga pages anymore, but the Pilaf gang are pure as snow. Pilaf himself thinks blowing a kiss is pretty much rape.
>>142564421
And Mai thinks holding hands is sex
>>142564638
Yeah, that's why it doesn't make sense to see her as an old woman in the body of a kid. She literally has the mental maturity of a little girl.
Here in a a couple dozen episodes make Goku and Vegeta realize they've ascended so far into god hood that they themselves are inevitably going to trap themselves into a higher dimension in order to control their power and avoid collapsing their dimension, leave them as gods of combat and protectors of the universe who can only respond to threats from the multiverse or rogue gods of destruction, and push them into a new caste of gods that overlooks the entirety of existence after.
After that's happened fast forward a bit to a new threat, after the saiyans have mixed in enough with the humans that they are far more human than saiyan and won't be able to "lol six year old super saiyan" all over any threat.
Open with a tournament arc with Gohans great great grandchildren or something fighting in it, repping their hercule lineage, which will proceed as normal until the very end where it reveals master roshi in the stands with android 18, observing the next generation of fighters, and pans up to the new guardian of the earth, a young Namekian hatchling that's only now reaching maturity.
After revealing our next generation of fighters we see Goku and Vegeta fighting in the highest level of the multiverse, because they're saiyans, and suddenly they feel a blip of energy. Childs play to them but a serious threat to their descendants, as they watch it from on high they both say some kind of catch phrase, Goku saying "this could be bad" or something like it and Vegeta responding with "non sense kakarot, it looks like a worthy challenge for (insert great great grandchilds name here) the prince of all saiyans!"
And then our new threat is revealed, androids? Aliens? Demons?
Find out, on the next episode, of DRAGON BALL Z!
>>142564822
Exactly, and that's why Toriyama thought it seemed it was fitting if she was de-aged to be paired with kid Trunks. That would put them almost on the same level despite Mai's chronological age.
Hilariously, the detractors to this ship seem to forget the fact that she has the maturity of a little girl. They seem to focus on the fact that she's some few years older than Bulma.
That was the running gag with her and the other two, though. Out of the three, she was the one that looked the more serious as an adult, yet that element served as a contrast. That's why it was funny.
Granted, that element seems to be sort of lost now that they were de-aged, but Toriyama wanted them to bring those three back in the story, and having them interact with the young characters was the way to go.
>>142565319
that's just the ending of the dragon ball gt ova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOYHO4mqWC8
>>142541122
Actually make space fucking interesting instead of le quirky alien holy fuck nips have shit sense of humor.
>>142550357
No Gohan is 50% human so he doesnt have Goku''s HURR HURR MUST FIGHT NIGG- I MEAN SAIYAN GENES.
>>142564304
>>142564421
>I don't have those manga pages anymore, but the Pilaf gang are pure as snow.
here they are anon
>>142541122
I would siggest to knock it out with all the transformations, current one is fine. leave it is it is.
>>142565611
>>142565645
I forgot Yamcha was a virgin too.
>>142548711
this, he doesn't have to overshadow everyone but I'm pretty tired of him not doing much
it would be interesting if this time trunks just brings everyone to the future with him to fight black goku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhFzYLXbpE
>>142560295
considering Mai seems to be alone with Trunks in the preview and other info given.
Pilaf and Shu might not have survived..
If anything, they need to properly go with a tone.
In the beginning Akira really went for a light-hearted adventure story with it's occasional serious and/or high stakes moments. Around the time the Saiyans were introduced, the mood seemed to change to a more dense one; everything was at stake. Especially the Namek saga did this really well.
That kind of got lost in the Android/Cell saga where the villains could not be overcome, but posed no immediate threat either. Toriyama tried to do both during the Buu Saga but failed, even if it was amusing.
Super so far has been bad at both; if the Buu saga was tense with mediocre fun stuff, this has been mediocre fun stuff with mediocre tension. It just doesn't feel like there's anything at stake for the characters at any time. Nor is it as fun as pre-DBZ.
>inb4 'nice blog post'
>>142565600
Yes. She did.
so when is Bra going to appear? do you think Bulma and Vegeta already made her and she is on her way or something?
>>142564112
>A young girl with the mind of an experienced adult
>Mai
>experienced adult
My god, I wish I wasn't sick so I could laugh louder.
Mai is anything but an experienced adult. Don't be fooled by appearances, she is just as retarded as Shu and Pilaf. Trunks having sex with her actually qualifies as raping a mentally ill individual.
>yfw Super will make a time jump after black goku, show us the last episode of Z again and then go on from there
>>142566670
>after black Goku
There will be the multiverse tournament after this arc, at least.
Also, somehow I doubt Toriyama gives a fuck about the way DBZ ended.
>>142566670
What could goku even hope to achieve by training someone with Buu's power, it's nothing to him at this point
>>142550428
I thought the universes making up the number 13 were nearly identical twins. If he had a counterpart at all wouldn't it be from universe 6?
Why the hell is Toriyama focusing on an irrelevant universe like Trunk's own its the same HURR THE APOCALYPSE CAUSED BY INSERT VILLAIN HERE GOKU AND DAD FROM ANOTHER TIME PLZ HALP seriously fuck Trunks.
>>142566939
Wasn't it said that this thing can kind of control time? Maybe it shows up in goku's world before trunks does
>>142566670
well if gohan stops training again, or if future trunks is not interested in the tournament the new multiverse tournament could be a good training for uub
>>142567004
But if it controls time why is it a planetary problem and not a universal one and where the fuck is Beerus and Whis in Trunk's reality?
>>142567038
>the series will spend an entire acr setting up Uub
>Nah let's have him job and then Goku tag in
>>142567084
well they already talked about uub a few times in super if we get a timeskip we will probably get a remake of the end of z but with a few changes like goku wearing his orange gi instead of the blue one and and goku talking about training for the tournament instead of just training
>>142565376
it will interesting to see if Mai's personality in trunks's future has changed somewhat
>>142567446
Why is this pairing so fucking fun?
Also i'd imagine she'd still be a bit innocent and goofy but probably more serious since she's from Terminator future.
>>142567446
Losing Pilaf + Shu must've changed her personality a bit, at least.
Have an alternate universe where the humans get all the good Sayan perks.
Goku and Vegeta will face god Krillin, Tien, Satan and since it is weird alternative universe even Yamcha is powerful.Goku is this universes Yamcha
>>142566891
well is not that goku wants to fight ubb is just that uub is the youngest guy that actually wants to be strong and likes fighting
so that makes him the last hope of earth
goku needs to train him so he can be a good hero
>>142541122
Super Saiyan God = Saiyan God
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan = Super Saiyan God
This naming scheme makes a lot more sense. Saiyan God doesn't even have the spiky hair.
Already found a fan manga page of Black Goku killing Pilaf and Shu
Japan does not waste time.
>>142567678
>>142567778
>Why is this pairing so fucking fun?
it just works.. somehow
>she'd still be a bit innocent and goofy but probably more serious since she's from Terminator future.
>Losing Pilaf + Shu must've changed her personality a bit, at least.
Yeah. The first impression from the smiling Mai from the preview seemed like a calmer , more mature Mai
Anyone else here thinks that Raditz deserves a second chance
He dindu nuffin, he was just following orders from Frieza, im sure that he wouls have turned into a good guy just like vegeta
if tori revives him we could at least get some good slice of life moments of uncle raditz taking care of Goten
>>142568315
I love it when villains become heroes, especially through the power of love and friendship.
I wish Radditz and Nappa were still around.
>>142568315
Earth is perfect for mellowing out Saiyans. Give em a while on Earth and they're right as rain.
>>142568408
It's the only planet they can find with women that look enough like their species to fuck.
>>142568147
>it just works
>was just listening King Crimson while reading this thread
Coincidence, but funny.
>Yeah. The first impression from the smiling Mai from the preview seemed like a calmer , more mature Mai
Got the same impression too.
>>142566891
Uub is much stronger then Goku was as a child, so in turn he could potentially be retard strong. Just he wouldn't have any super transformation.
Honestly, I want a slightly darker tone, which I hope the upcoming arc will provide. Even the Buu Saga, which was relatively lighthearted, especially with Gotenks, had moments like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzF6GEEva-s
Also, Beerus needs to fuck off.
Find a way to make transformations and power-ups meaningful again, because they kinda just feel boring and uninteresting to me right now.
>>142568546
He could learn Kaio-Ken and become the strongest human ever.
Humans need more love in Dragon Ball. We're also the only species that can make half Saiyan babies.
>>142568607
>beerus needs to fuck off
>the best new character
You what now?
>>142568627
What about krillin, isn't he experienced enough to pull off the kaio-ken? He'd still be weaker than saiyans but why not give him that ability
>>142568617
I love all of the transformations but i'm super bummed SSJ4 doesn't get any love.
GT was bad but SSJ4 was rad.
>>142568617
i like the new transformations way more than ssj4 from gt
they are not just multipliers anymore they are about a new form of ki (god ki) and a new way to control it
red ssjg seems to be the new max level with goku having full control of his god ki, it also gave goku a new base form
and ssjblue feels like the first stage to master in order to find a new transformation that could be on the same level as beerus
>>142568442
>tfw no more Saiyan women
>>142568709
I just wish it had yellow fur and less magic clothes.
>>142569197
Yeah, I heard the original was supposed to have yellow fur and hair like the golden Oozaru but they changed it because Gokus pants were yellow at the time.
Which brings up the fact that they should have just changed the dam pants.
>>142569164
this reminds me of FIintstones so much
where's Dino?
>>142568751
It has nothing to do with his strength. It has everything to do with his affinity for eating cocks.
>>142568147
>>142568453
>Got the same impression too.
lets just hope she doesn't lose all her goofiness though
>>142568315
>at the end of this arc, Vegeta gets to visit planet salad
>enjoying the saiyan culture so much, he decides to use the super dragon balls to bring back the saiyans
>everyone freaks out, until Vegeta points out that most saiyans have power levels of under 1,000.
>The saiyans that were killed ever since Frieza took over are revived.
>Radditz and Nappa get revived, along with Bardock and Gine, and King Vegeta.
>mini-arc about Goku and Vegeta trying to teach them "earthly ways"
>end of the arc has Bardock and King Vegeta deciding to go find a planet that was abandoned when frieza was finally killed and set up.
We get all the saiyans and none of the super saiyan everywhere business. Then they're gone.
Make it happen Toei.
>>142568627
>He could learn Kaio-Ken and become the strongest human ever.
He's already that.
He's the reincarnation of Buu, and learns mid-fight to adapt to his opponents.
He's basically kid Goku with a power level that rivals super saiyans. But it's all self contained.
>>142569483
Right there on the table.
What was up with anon in last thread thinking it would be terrible if 17 got a good end like his sister?
>>142570764
He seemed to think 17 was caught in an eternal immature kid time loop and could never develop as a character and change.
>>142570764
they thought Super 17 and GT is canon
and having a family and children basically screw that idea up
>>142541122
Make it happen /a/. That awkwardness between Gohan and Uncle Raditz.
>>142570764
>>142570973
>>142571210
>Q6: Where’d Artificial Human No. 17 go after the Cell arc, and what did he do?
>He works in the wildlife preserve area of a gigantic royal nature park, as an outstanding guard who doesn’t hold back against poachers.2
It’s an ideal job for No. 17, who loves to be on his own and isn’t big on cooperating with others; since he’s so good at his job, he takes in a high salary. He’s married to a zoologist; they have one child and two adopted children, and live happily in an isolated house inside the nature park.
>He went and met No. 18 and Kuririn one time, but didn’t talk about what he’d been up to, maybe because he considers such a wholesome lifestyle embarrassing.
Even Toriyama gave him at least a good ending.
Denying him that is all kinds of lame really.
>>142571411
I wanted this to happen anon
>>142541122
>get Yamomuro and Sumitomo fired
>>142570764
That reminds me of a question I have about the androids in the future timeline.
Is there a difference between the androids of the future timeline and the regular one? I mean in terms of personality and fighting skills. Would 17 and 18 still have gone in a genociding rampage like in the future timeline if they found and killed Goku?
>>142541122
More legit people stronger than Goku and Vegeta similar to Hit. These people never get surpassed.
>>142571411
16 would be proud.
>>142572030
>would they
As far as I know the key difference between future timeline and regular timeline is that the androids successfully killed Goku. Aside from that they're (the androids) are the same. But the events of regular timeline are what changed the outcome completely.
>>142541122
Make the Dragon Ball Super manga weekly
>"Bring back Piccolo in action, bitch"
Also this already happened
>Best mercenary in his universe
>Fights Goku as a job
>Becomes a bro with Goku and doesn't care for his job anymore
>Wants to fight Goku again
>>142572219
17 and 18 just needed a good dicking. They're fine now in the normal timeline.
>>142572258
Actually now that I think about it, the other key factor is Cell. Cell gave them a common enemy between them and the Z fighters.
I think everyone agrees that the series needs to stop being a total Goku and Vegeta circlejerk. I'm not saying Piccolo or Gohan or Krillin or 18 need to defeat the main villain, but jesus christ, let them win a few fights that feel significant. Piccolo beating Frost would have been a hell of a lot more enjoyable than Vegeta one-shotting him like it's nothing.
Dragon Ball has one of the richest supporting casts in all of anime/manga and it's all squandered just to jerk off the Saiyans over and over again.
>>142572240
i completely forgot about that guy from gt
hit has a way better design and im sure he will become a memorable character
>>142572472
I can't wait to see him inXenoverse 2
>>142569483
With Vegeta on a mission.
>>142572472
I was thinking about Hit, Caba and Frost (who cares about the shitty ones) and wondering if they will appear again since everyone is separated by dimensional barriers. It seems only gods can traverse dimensions.
Come to think of it, why did Hit want that trans-dimensional space cube anyway? who was he planning on hitting? For who?
>>142572393
Or you can stop watching it.
>>142572393
>stop being a total Goku and Vegeta circlejerk
Except its not faggot
>>142572393
>Dragon Ball has one of the richest supporting casts in all of anime/manga.
Lurk more crossboarder
>>142572648
>(who cares about the shitty ones)
Shit taste
>>142572721
What was that last tournament about, then?
>Buu doesn't even get to fight because lmao he's so stupid lol
>Piccolo, like a good cuck, gives up a fight he has legally won just so Vegeta can take a turn
>Goku gets to both start and finish the major fights of the tourney
>Champa lets Goku back into the tournament without a fight when in every other instance he fights tooth and nail to keep the rules in his favor
>Monaka amounts to nothing but a punchline (which is fine, but combined with the other fighters that aren't Goku/Vegeta doing nothing it's all the more aggravating)
and are we forgetting that SSJ3 Gotenks got one-shotted by base clone vegeta? Just because other characters show up in comedic slice of life segments (which is admittedly better than GT just forgetting about nearly everybody) doesn't mean they're really all that significant to the plot or the action.
>>142571411
Reading this makes me want to see him in Super even more, with his sister visiting him in his forest.
>>142572956
>which is admittedly better than GT just forgetting about nearly everybody
Whoa there memelord. GT has a fuckton of great SoL moments. You'd know if you watched it recently, or at all.
>>142572721
Prove it wrong, retard. Everything is focused on Goku and Vegeta. All the rest of the characters are useless and wasted. Krillin cries in front of Frieza's army, Gohan can't into SSJ, Roshi and Tien are only there for a couple of seconds to pander to the nostalgiafags. Even when the filler was supposed to be about Goten and Trunks' adventures in space everything focused AGAIN in Goku and Vegeta and their tsundere relationship, Gotenks was there to show how super incredibly strong purple Vegeta is and how hyped I am supposed to be for a filler episode.
>>142572956
>Buu doesn't even get to fight because lmao he's so stupid lol
No shit, it's true to his character
Earthling Z fighters get some screen time during a cool fight scene with Frieza's army
Piccolo has one of the better fights in this U7 vs U6 tournament (well in the anime version) using various cool abilities like his stretchy arms and the multi form, breaks Vados's barrier which tanked causal blasts from God of destruction Champa, even Frost himself says if Piccolo landed his Makankosappo he would have won
>are we forgetting that SSJ3 Gotenks got one-shotted by base clone vegeta?
Filler
>character is measured by number of fight he has
Fuck off and quit bitching.
>>142573175
See >>142573220
Retard
>>142573220
>No shit, it's true to his character
Having a written test before the tournament was just a hamfisted excuse so they didn't have to make Buu fight.
>Piccolo has one of the better fights in this U7 vs U6 tournament
Doesn't matter when the entire fight exists to tear him down and show how much better Goku and Vegeta are
>Earthling Z fighters get some screen time during a cool fight scene with Frieza's army
the fight is a total shitshow in Super. Piccolo gets killed and they all get fucked up by Captain Ginyu. Resurrection F did a good job with it, sure, but it says a lot when the fight with the henchmen was more memorable than the Goku/Freeza fight
>Filler
It's not based on a manga you dumb fuck. Super is Super, you can't use the "toriyama didn't write it!!!" deflection here
god forbid I want the cast of a martial arts anime (despite the shift in tone back to Dragon Ball humor it is still a show about fighting) to get fights that are entertaining once in awhile
>>142573220
>Filler
>Filler when the anime is actually the main shit, not the manga
There is no filler
>>142573220
>No shit, it's true to his character
Are you aware that isn't the fucking point? We are talking if Buu is retard or not, we are talking about how Toriyama only used him to fill a space in the torment, then he got rip of him.
>Earthling Z fighters get some screen time during a cool fight scene with Frieza's army
Yeah, Krillin pissing his pants was so incredible and cool, Gohan being too fucking weak even when his 16 years old self spend seven years being Goten's dad lost less power. So fucking cool, and the fucking point of that was to get him to train again, but surprise he got ignored for a whole saga.
>Piccolo has one of the better fights in this U7 vs U6 tournament
His sole propose in there was to fill an episode and in Goku's words: to tire Frost and nothing else. Then he got erased from the tournament because Goku had to return, he could go and change Pan's dipper for or something of the same nature.
>Filler
Of course, Super apologist.
>>142573259
Read, Super apologist >>142573495
>>142573220
>Filler
Even if it was not filler it makes sense. Vegeta and Goku absorbed the Super Saiyan God's power as their new base form. Hence why Super Saiyan Blue exists.
>>142573467
It's pretty obvious what is from Toriyama's draft, and what isn't.
Universe 6 Tournament and Black Goku were hyped up as being Toriyma stories. Copy Vegeta was not.
>>142572393
This is nothing new though.
>Vegeta sacrificed his life to defeat Buu
And it was for nothing.
>Piccolo as the responsibility to train Trunks and Goten because their fusion is the last defense against the enemy.
Nope he jobbed
>Elder Kaioshin was released from the legendary sword and expended hours increasing Gohan's power.
And then Gohan Jobbed.
Goku is the MC of a shonen anime/manga so even if he doest win every fight he is always going to steal the spotlight in the end. You should be used by now.
>>142573439
>Having a written test before the tournament was just a hamfisted excuse
It was a fucking joke, you know what DB does all the time? Dumbass
>Doesn't matter when the entire fight exists to tear him down
How? Because he lost? Fuck off. Goku loses all the time and I don't see Gokufags bitching like you. Also nice moving the goal post faggot.
>but it says a lot when the fight with the henchmen was more memorable than the Goku/Freeza fight
There you go faggot, Z fighters getting some love.
>It's not based on a manga you dumb fuck
>>142573467
>>142573571
It's wasn't written Toriyama retard meaning it's not canon
>>142573495
See this faggot >>142573679
>>142573495
>Cool.
You need to be 18 years old to be allowed to post on 4chan.
Looking back at the wish to revive frieza in Super.
It seems both Sorbet and Pilaf knew nothing of the dragon being renewed and granting more wishes etc.
And this is after Pilaf and co are young again.
I wonder when Pilaf made his wish for youth then
>>142573579
>>142573679
It wasn't hyped because it wasn't good but it's still part of the anime and therefore it happened even when my mom wrote it, because this time the anime alone counts. When yamcha somehow manages to beat up 2 guys that should be way too strong for him again now, you can't say it was filler because it just fucking happened.
>>142572393
I would be happy if Toei and Toriyama let Goten and Trunks be more involved with their dads and their training, just a couple scene where it can be seen Vegeta training Trunks and Goku training Goten, but fuck that. We have to wait 3 years so Vegeta and Goku can complain about "those lazy kids".
>>142573799
>It wasn't hyped because it wasn't good
Neither was the rest of Super.
Toriyama's more closely involved with, and speaks more highly of, the manga.
Going forward, Toei's unique additions that weren't a part of his initial draft aren't very likely to be used by Toriyama when coming up with new story ideas.
>>142573799
Fuck off Toriyama didn't write it. It's not canon >>142573679
mentions the U6 arc and Future Trunks arc but not that filler shit.
>>142573634
>>142573634
Goku might have usually been the one to defeat the villain in the end, but he's out of commission for huge portions of EVERY prior saga.
>Dead during the first 3/4ths of the battle with the saiyans
>on the spaceship and then in the healing chamber in Freeza saga
>recovering from his heart virus/training in RoSAT during Android Saga which allows the rest of the cast to get moments to shine against Androids and Cell
>Dead for most of the Buu Saga and Gotenks and Gohan got their chances to beat on Buu and would have won were it not for Buu's OP healing ability
It isn't until Super or GT where we got to the sad state of affairs where if you're not Goku, you're literally worthless, where every other character just exists to serve up punchlines.
Piccolo losing to Frost was the most mean-spirited job in the history of the series
>>142573900
>Piccolo losing to Frost was the most mean-spirited job in the history of the series
Shut the fuck up Zombie
>>142541122
Stop making the power levels fluctuate so damn much. Makes it hard to debate when kid goku can live 100 ton boulders and yet ss adult goku has problems with 80 ton weights.
>>142568670
Funny way of spelling Whis anon
>>142541122
I want Krillin to not suck at least once in his lifetime. He deserves it.
>>142573960
Beerus and Whis are the best things to happen to Dragon Ball next to this weird Mai renaissance imo.
>>142573900
>Piccolo losing to Frost was the most mean-spirited job in the history of the series
>Retard doesn't know what Job means
If Frost HAD to cheat to win its not fucking Jobbing retard
>It isn't until Super or GT where we got to the sad state of affairs where if you're not Goku, you're literally worthless
Fuck off drama queen
Make other characters besides Goku relevant, Vegeta has the potential but he always jobs until goku pulls something out of his ass and saves the day.
I love Goku but it is old, the other cast could have some relevance, even if is mini arcs that are not focused on the sayians.
I don't see why Goten and Trunks can do shit or anyone else while Goku and Vegeta train/.
Also more Sol and gags.
>>142573728
>>142573728
>It was a fucking joke
And a way to fill a fucking space. I remamber how every anon was hyped to see Buu fight, but I guess we could saved a fight to see more of Goku and Vegeta. But that triggers you, if I say it that way.
>How? Because he lost?
Yes, it was because he lost, obviously, of course. And I also loved how he became a plot device in RoF for an useless reason.
>Z fighters getting some love.
Love =/= Being humiliated.
>It's wasn't written Toriyama retard meaning it's not canon
Toriyama and Toei acknowledged the anime as canon and the continuity of the manga. Suck it.
>>142573737
Tell that to yourself, you were the one using it.
Guys should I watch the anime or manga? I know the manga is super short but is there any difference between manga and anime?
>>142574103
The manga is less retarded.
>>142574103
The manga has no filler, gorgeous artwork and is true to the original.
>>142574039
>If Frost HAD to cheat to win its not fucking Jobbing retard
Who the fuck says that? Piccolo lost in order to make Vegeta look better, the DEFINITION of a jobber is someone who loses in wrestling to make the favored Faces look better for overcoming the heel. Just because Frost used unscrupulous methods (which there were absolutely no consequences for him doing so, mind you) doesn't mean that it wasn't a job.
I mean, fuck, Goku outright tells Piccolo "you can't win this fight, you suck" and even when Piccolo legally wins Vegeta says "ah you suck, let me take care of him you worthless piece of shit" and Piccolo agrees like a good cuck
