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Super fags will defend this over GT.
>>142435579
>hurr you're not supposed to take it seriously!
>>142435610
If there was ever a show you weren't meant to take seriously after the age of 13, it's Dragon Ball
>>142435531
I knew about Baby Vegeta but this is too much!
>>142435579
GT will always be worse because non-canon in addition to being shit.
>>142435579
>Implying this was better
>>142435531
that looked like a condom at first glance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJXAYshrlI
>>142438150
is this an alternative trunks since his hair is blue like bulmas and not light purple?
>>142438474
Probably a stylistic choice to differentiate Adult and Kid Trunks?
>>142435579
Calm down Pedro. Super might be shit but that doest make GT any better.
>>142435531
This shit is a disgrace
I was actually watching the Shadow Dragons saga today, first time ive seen it in a long time, and holy shit. It looks so bad. Like Super's had some horrid animation and this wasn't episode 5 bad, but goddamn it just consistently looked like ass. Not to mentions all the villains were ridiculous as fuck. And people PRAISE the Shadow Dragons? Fucking Mole Shenron? SSJ4 Goku lifting the ground up from Mole Shenron?
I thought maybe Super really was that bad, it's gotten all the GTfags to come out at least but goddamn. I can say with certainty it's not GT bad.
>>142435531
they have to make fun of him since he won more matches than goku in the U6 tournament
>>142438676
Except it does, CHAD.
>"He's Super Saiyan God, too!"
>"Super is Vegeta's time to shine!"
>"No more Prince of jobbers!"
>"Finally the Prince is getting the respect and attention he deserves"
Why does hair colour matter so much to people? I swear you are all FUCKING retarded.
>>142435697
When I was nine and watching Dragon Ball I cried when Freeza got cut in half. I thought it was really sad for some reason.
>>142439262
And none of those guys mattered compared to Hit.
Does the hyperbolic time chamber and Mr. Popo still exist in the Future Trunks timeline?
>>142439481
Wouldn't be surprised if the Androids or Cell decided to pay Kami a visit and blow up the Lookout for fun.
>>142439472
>the guy who got btfo by monaka
sure
>>142439552
I don't know how much more obvious it has to be that he faked that.
>>142439667
>that damage control
>>142439700
Dude, I get you like the joke with Monaka, but that's all it is.
Vegeta is hilariously outclassed by Hit and Goku.
>Trunks go back to the past
>Vegeta enters proud dad mode and invites him to the training.
>meanwhile Kid Trunks asks Bulma to make him a sword like Future Trunks.
Make it happen Toei.
>>142435579
>>142435531
baby vegeta
>>142439785
>Keep Kid Trunks around
Please no. We have the good one back now.
Purple Vegeta has the potential to become more powerful than Beerus. it can absorb other people's powers and no one can escape it's grasp once it has them.
The only problem is Purple Vegeta wants to fight Goku "fair" so he fucked himself over.
Remember that Purple Vegeta > Goku
>>142439845
Kid trunks made Mai important. He is now better than Future trunks.
>>142439992
Who gives a flying fuck about purple vegeta? Trunks is where its at now.
>>142439992
Every villain has the potential to be stronger than Beerus
>Freiza could have just trained a few more months
>Cell can abuse his power set
>Buu can keep absorbing people
>>142439845
But then how will he get NTR'd
REMINDER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hHM-8QtmUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hHM-8QtmUE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hHM-8QtmUE
Super is literally a shameless, rushed cash-in.
>>142440057
Now that you really think about it. Beerus is pretty pathetic.
>>142440163
Beerus falling to his hands and knees to zenno was the final nail in the coffin for him.
>>142439469
>MFW I cried when Vegeta died.
>>142435531
Jaco is the best.
Shame his battery ran out.
>>142440209
He was finished long before that.
>>142440163
I really wish they'd knock it off with trying to keep him on top of the hierarchy.
He's lame compared to most of the other characters introduced in Super. The only reason he sticks around is because nobody will bother remembering him once he's gone.
Piccolo fell far behind with the power gap but people still like him because he's a good character. Toriyama refuses to have Beerus fall behind like that since he's not a good character like that.
>>142440366
>He's lame compared to most of the other characters introduced in Super.
What? Beerus may not be that great, but Super has not introduced a single goddamn thing that wasn't lame as shit.
>>142435531
I just lost whatever respect I had for Vegeta and I haven't seen any of Super at all. What the hell is this crap?
>>142440159
Thanks for shilling your shit tier YouTube channel
>>142440413
Hit was way fucking better than him.
>>142440467
Hahaha, fuck no.
>featureless Dickhead
>Ugly as shit trenchcoat
>nothing personnel *teleports behind you*
>Time stopper, like that's original.
The only acceptable thing about him is his personality.
>>142440423
I never bother watching the subs for Super, but I think as long as Vegeta keeps sucking on a pacifier, he won't fade into nothingness.
The most recent three episodes SUCK. Watch the last 45 seconds of this one to see the good version of Trunks again.
hnnnnnnnnnnnng why is she so cute?
i hope she travels to the past with him and not pull some ill hold him off you head to the past scenario it would be a waste
Why did they turn Trunks into a twig too
Gohan was bad enough
>>142440366
Seriously. When it gets to the point that Hit and Purple Vegeta become bigger potential threats than him it just makes the idea stupid
The only reason why those two characters have not already killed off the whole DBZ verse is because of their stupid "sense of honor" plot device that Toriyama keeps using.
>>142440540
I dont know why but every episode that centers on Goten and Trunks sucks.
>>142440533
Hit looked like he'd be Coldsteel, but ended up being a total bro with a similar mindset to Goku.
Beerus is a mass murdering asshole who kills people over petty reasons like pillows and ice cream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdFAm8ZwMlA
>>142440594
>>142440533
>>142440366
God DBS threads draws out so many retards
>>142440594
Hit is an assassin. I don't think he should be throwing stones in his glass house.
And yeah, he's kind of a bro, but he still looks like coldsteel the edgehog.
Plus, Beerus himself has a pretty fun personality save for the random acts of completely unjustifiable genocide.
>>142440594
>Mass murder
He is a force of nature. But he is kind of an asshole just like most of the gods in ancient mythology.
>>142440654
People who like Hit's design have no business calling anyone else retarded.
Well, Super fags in general really.
>>142440573
My waifu was always cute.
>>142440690
Beerus looks like an anorexic cat. His design isn't much better.
Plus, while we'll never know what he had planned, he looked like he was ready to take on Champa to save the rest of his team at the end of the U6 arc. That takes some serious balls, especially after fighting Goku like that.
>>142440779
>His design isn't much better.
It is absolutely better. An anorexic, vaguely egyptian cat god is several tiers better than Coldsteel the time stopping assassin.
>>142440721
No kidding. Hit was pretty much Cell with a penis head.
>>142440573
didnt her VA say she has voice role in every episode of the arc?
>>142440779
>he looked like he was ready to take on Champa
All of them were. Cornered animals have to fight.
You what I am tired of? That shitty "sense of honor" plot device that Toriyama always pulls out of his ass.
Hit could beat the shit out of Goku? Nope, muh honor
Purple Vegeta could just absorb Goku and become God? Nope, muh honor.
How many times does this cliche need to be used?
>>142440860
Yes.
From now on every Dragon Ball Super episode will be my weekly Mai dose.
>>142440912
Hit, an assassin, having any honor was absurd. At least Vegeta has a track record of stupidity.
>>142440827
Never said I liked Hit's design. I just like his character a lot more than Beerus's.
>>142440870
The rest of those guys looked like they were shitting their pants. Hit was ready to put that fat ass down.
>>142439462
Consistency. Present Trunks has purple hair so there's no reason for his future counterpart's to be different
>>142440912
>Toriyama
>Purple Vegeta
That was Toei retard
>>142440948
Hit was the worst. He could have beaten the tournament but then did the "muh honor" asspull.
Purple Vegeta is not excused either. It specifically states that the purple goo absorbs the worst of everyone. Evil Vegeta never had a good sense of honor. The Saiyan saga proves this.
>>142440972
>I just like his character a lot more than Beerus's.
Fair enough, but both have decent personality if you ignore the murderer bit.
Beerus is great if you forget he keeps destroying planets and peoples for arbitrary reasons.
Hit is great if you forget he's a *teleports behind you* assassin. Also, if you're blind since you don't deal with his ugly-ass character design.
>>142440923
Better hope Toriyama isn't reading this.
>>142441009
You keep trying to separate the two, but toriyama's stuff is honestly not good either.
>>142440996
but thats not his future counterpart
its an alternate future
while i do agree that changing his hair was stupid
we probably get an explanation for that
like trunks asking
why is your hair blue?
>>142441154
>Moving the goal post
I accept your concession.
>>142441185
>"Because my character designer has gone senile."
>>142441009
>Muh Toriyama is not Toei
He is the faggot who overlooks the whole project. I am not giving him a pass for allowing this shit.
>>142441111
Beerus is just furbait. I never denied Hit's lazy design
Still, at least as far as DB goes, time stopping is somewhat unique. Beerus is just one of many, many people who can blow up planets.
After Goku's fight with Hit, Beerus should have been left in the dust, but Toriyama refuses to have him fade into irrelevancy like so many other characters.
>>142440289
>Supreme Kai still has those earrings
I thought he gave them to Goku to use for the fusion. Where/when did he get more?
Jesus fucking christ why can't toriyama just be consistent for once.
>>142441221
i wish they just went meta about everything
>>142441250
>He is the faggot who overlooks the whole project.
He's the tangentially involved faggot that Toei is paying to be able to ride his name power.
But I agree, he doesn't get a pass fuck toriyama.
>>142441250
>He is the faggot who overlooks the whole project
No he doesn't retard he just writes the base outline for the canon arcs the U6 and now the Future Trunks.
>>142441273
He's a kai, he can probably just magic them up in the same way Supreme Kai magic up'ed the block that broke the Z-Sword.
>>142441335
Read the post above.
>>142441319
>>142441273
Kaioshin can just magically create shit whenever they want. Kibito made Gohan a whole outfit including Potara with magic.
>>142441284
Trunks' hair has never been consistent.
It's Green-ish blue like Bulma's sometimes and Purple-ish other times.
>>142441273
Kibito gave Gohan a set of Supreme Kai clothes back when they brought him to the Z-Sword planet, which included the earrings. I always thought they could just make more
>>142435531
super is a joke. ill never watch this shit
>>142441273
kaioshins are severly underpowered gods of creation
they can create stuff like planets and shit
>>142436108
>Damn Dragon Ball fans really know what filler is.
Apparently not see these retards >>142440912
>>142441250
>>142441319
This has literally gotten to the point where I wish GT was cannon instead of this.
>>142440048
I bet if Mai wasn't on the Trunks arc, it would be a dissapointment the same or bigger than Purple Vegeta.
>>142441516
Unironically agree.
>>142441531
But she is. So I can be smug all I want.
>>142441516
Future Trunks is back next week, and I'm probably setting myself up for disappointment, but I feel like it'll be almost as good as History of Trunks.
>>142441505
Dragon Ball is entry level anime, of course there will be a crapload of retards among its fans... more so with a shonen which lost most of it's life after 600+ episodes.
God DBS threads are cancerous
So if we combined the edginess and colors of Purple Vegeta with the powers of Hit as well as a hedgehog: Would we get Coldsteel the Hegeheg?
>>142441516
>>142441552
GT is absolute trash take your second rate rehash elsewhere for once.
>>142435531
Well all is not lost. DBZ Abridged Ep 53 came out last night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIZGSXjco8g
>>142441185
And then he'll answer:
"Yo listen up here's a story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world
And all day and all night and everything he sees Is just blue
Like him inside and outside
Blue his house with a blue little window
And a blue Corvette
And everything is blue for him
And himself and everybody around
'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc
>>142441640
GT is trash, yes. But it's better than Super.
>>142441616
Kevin Robinson and Kaos_Kid should have been replaced with DBS names.
>>142441616
God, fuck off you're not funny and you'll never will be.
>>142441616
>not toei_super_boi84
>>142441745
I bet you're the same guy that thought Hatchiyack came after Baby and that GT was great because it turned Goku into a kid and gave him a clothes storage compartment when he transformed.
Look if you want to circlejerk your non canon shit go and make your own thread.
>>142440423
Who respects fucking Vegeta? He's a huge douche who did nothing but freeload and almost ended the Earth like 3 times.
Stop relying to retarded GTfags
>>142441822
>I bet you're the same guy that thought Hatchiyack came after Baby and that GT was great
>I bet you're the same guy that thought GT was great
I literally just said it was trash, sherlock. I guess being brain damaged is a requisite to liking Super enough to get mad at people saying GT is better.
>>142441892
>I literally just said it was trash, sherlock.
Oh please like your words mean shit when you're defending GT of all things.
>>142441867
I think people respected him for being a stubborn ass, and for nuking himself to try and take out Buu. People also felt bad for him because of what Frieza did, which is weird because Vegeta was just as bad as Frieza, going around blowing up planets and shit. So really his "Saiyan Pride" is just butthurt over his race getting mowed down by an alien stronger than them.
>>142441944
>which is weird because Vegeta was just as bad as Frieza, going around blowing up planets and shit
To be fair he did all of that while under the rule of Frieza and stopped when he died.
>>142441942
I'm not actually defending GT at all, anon. I am just saying Super is worse shit.
You seem very upset.
>>142440573
>why is she so cute?
Because Mai is best girl since DB.
>>142441780
>>142441760
>>142441749
Fixed
>>142442114
I feel like something could be done about Khaoskid663.
Maybe Kaiokid?
>>142435531
>Vegeta gets humiliated once again (already has happened multiple times)
>WAAA FUCK THIS SHIT WAAA GT WAS BETTER WAAA
>>142442114
>>142442232
Fuck off
Probably asking the obvious, but is the only thing you guys know how to do is bitch and moan about basically everything the show has done so far?
>>142442297
Nah, people have meaningful discussion about the series.
It's just the GT faggot that keeps on shitting on Super.
>>142439015
Fuck off, Super is just as devoid of originality as GT is.
There aren't "GTfags", there are people who wanted Super to be better than GT and aren't getting it.
You guys are getting desperate.
>>142442368
You're right.
There's a GTfag, singular.
As in it's just you.
>>142435899
Isn't this the sort of 'IT'S A GAG MANGA! FUCK OFF CELLFANBOYS" shit people were defending Super with?
What's the fucking score with Super? The excuse always changes depending on what's on screen.
>>142442261
>>142442114
>>142442232
Final Version
>>142442420
Thing is, in Super it makes a little more sense. The Para Brothers, while funky fresh, came out of bumfuck nowhere
>>142439015
We know, just ignore the GTfags they're retarded.
>>142441717
>>142440573
>eye color
i knew something was different about her
>>142439015
>And people PRAISE the Shadow Dragons?
I don't think anyone, even GTfag, really praises the shadow dragons, usually it's just the baby arc.
>>142442815
The only praise the shadow dragons got was Omega Shenron.
>>142439015
They praise the concept of the dragon balls having negative consequences after being used so much but they recognize the arc and the dragons themselves were shit.
>>142442767
>>142442999
That idea was retarded though.
I mean, why does it even collect negative energy when the dragonballs are inherently neutral?
The idea of collecting energy would have been fine if they didn't do it from a good/evil angle because Shenron can be used as a force of evil as is, If they made it something like residual wish energy is stored and that energy can be used to replicate whatever was created by that wish providing it was a physical object would that have been a little more interesting. Could have even given us a clone Goku arc.
>>142442419
Yeah. That's right.
There's no way it could be more than one person who is disappointed with Super right now. Everything falls down to how shit GT is, and how it's to blame for everything that's gone wrong with DB's medium.
Is discussing Super with Superfriends supposed to make me feel like I'm talking with religious fanatics? Has GT become the Great Satan of the franchise? Condemn and damn anyone saying anything about GT? For fuck's sake.
Super should be better than GT by a wide margin, but it isn't. it's doing a lot of the same things GT did wrong and retreading a lot of old ground. A lot of the "new" designs are rehashes or recolors. The tournament arc that was supposedly supposed to bring the series back to it's roots just became a Goku/Vegeta circlejerk. I thought Buu was showing up to job, but he didn't even fucking do anything! Just because Super is giving Vegeta a handjob in every other scene (except for never letting him actually surpass Goku!), doesn't really make it that much better.
The next act is pulling back Future Trunks to do the same goddamn arc with him, but this time with Goku Black as a villain. Fuck, not even GT was that devoid of creativity to pull out a BAD GOKU as the villain.
Super literally just had an filler portion that started off as a Goten/Trunks space adventure and within seconds turned it into Goku vs Vegeta. We even take the time to have Gotenks show up, just so we can establish that not even SSJ3 Gotenks is a match for Base Vegeta. That's the same sort of powerlevel wanking GT was known for doing. Why is it okay here?
GT is a bad series. I'm not going to deny that. Shit on GT all day, it's nothing knew.
But Super isn't much better, and arguably worse, and that's my fucking problem. It's GT in everything but name, but fanatics like yourself have convinced yourself otherwise.
If wanting Dragonball to be good again makes me a GTfag, then I guess Gradually You’re Charming My Heart
>>142443271
Boy, someone sure is mad.
>>142443271
GT is better because at least the Omega Shenron battle and the Baby saga where passable.
Super has no redeeming story arcs and no original characters.
Plus Dragon Ball GT does not mess with cannon as much as Super does. The final episode of DBZ is ruined.
>>142443345
The response of a man who can't defend super
>>142440533
>black trench coat
Come to think of it, what is it that GoKuro is wearing here?
>>142443469
Why would I need to defend it?
The proof is in the pudding that it's utter trash.
Why future Trunks has blue hair?
>>142443553
Because they finally decided to correct it.
>>142443271
>We even take the time to have Gotenks show up, just so we can establish that not even SSJ3 Gotenks is a match for Base Vegeta
Not even watching Super, did they really do this? Why even bother having the other characters around if they're just going to shit on them so hard?
>>142443725
For Gotenks it was just pointless attempts at bad comedy.
>>142443553
Because Toriyama wants Trunks to have his mother's hair color.
He colored it purple for the manga because that is Bulma's hair color in it, he colors it blue for the Super stuff for both kid Trunks and future Trunks because that is her hair color in the anime but Toei kept drawing kid Trunks with purple hair
>>142442468
>Thing is, in Super it makes a little more sense. The Para Brothers, while funky fresh, came out of bumfuck nowhere
I was going to patronize you, but I'm honestly curious. How does Super's ridiculousness make sense, but GT's is awful and terrible? Now, I'm not talking about the quality of the jokes, just the concept of them, and them being there in the first place.
GT making silly villains and silly scenes is an awful idea, but Super having silly scenes and silly characters is great? I need to hear the reasoning behind this;.
>>142443725
GT did do something similar though. Goten & Trunks thought of fusing before deciding that Gotenks wasn't strong enough to defeat the threat. At minimum, they thought that Gotenks was going to be shat on anyways & decided not to bring him out. Helps preserve whatever dignity they had.
>>142443473
A business suit. Goku Black is an evil tax collector from the future, and Trunks forgot to do his taxes one too many times.
>>142443271
Man GTfags are really grasping for straws. Now think that anyone that disagrees with them loves Super?
Well maybe they calm down since the next ark is going to have enough edge to keep them happy.
Tried doing some work on an edit.
>>142443271
Super at least has the multiverse which is one of the good parts of the show. It probably won't be explored to full potential though, sadly.
>Be Mai
>Follow your leader for years to collect the dragonballs
>A kid and blue hair bitch ruined it for you
>Years later meet them again and meet bitch's son
>Meet his future self
>Realize you can get revenge by taking her son know he will look good in the future.
>>142443907
pairs are even numbers so this makes no sense
>>142443779
>How does Super's ridiculousness make sense
Because they do a bit more set up Vegeta throwing away his pride, Whis' love for earth food put them together and you have Vegeta throwing away his pride and dignity and making food for Whis for training. It's not much but it's certainly more than than GT where the Brothers just kind of show up and start acting wacky.
Then there was Monaka and from the start who was kind of odd, then they kind of eased the comic relief part on you.
Basically GT is more sporadic and random while Super feels more natural.
>>142442420
Anon you are going to end up in the hospital try to remain calm. Even if you love GT that much is not worth risking your life for it.
DBS (so far):
- Gods of Destructions as the destroyer counterpart of the Kai. Each with their own attendant.
- 12 universes. Paired off into "twin" universes.
- King of all, and the universal god heirarchy.
- Planet Salad, the original Saiyan home.
- Pre-Freeza Saiyan armor design
- the god of Dragons, Zarama
- the origin of the Namekian dragon balls
- An omnipotent being (Zuno) at the center of the universe.
- The galactic patrol's anime introduction.
- Galactic King introduction
- Tights Brief introduction.
- time-travelling against "galactic law"
- Freeza as Beerus' underling.
- Freeza's race able to attain an "Ultimate Evolution"
- Freeza's 3rd form named "Assault form"
- Your "Hell" is tied to the planet you died on.
- Earth's hell is a personal hell.
- De-fusing Potara fusion is possible.
- The SSG ritual
- God Ki. Calm and undetectable.
- SSG & SSB
GT:
- Black-Star DBs
- Hell being dark/barren except with the occasional extreme temperature fluctuations.
- Wishing a lot makes the earth DBs evil.
- Blutz waves = Golden Oozaru
- SS4
Also Goku vs Hit is vastly superior to any fight in GT. Well most fights in DBS are but Goku vs Hit is undoubtedly so.
>>142443985
Look at the math on the top anon.
The twin universe is on the other side so
1+12 = 13
2+11 = 13
And so on.
>>142443985
you fuckin idiot he is talking about the universe number not the number of universes
1+12
2+11
3+10
4+9
5+8
6+7
7+6
8+5
9+4
10+3
11+2
12+1
champa and beerus are 6 and 7
all the universes that make the number 13 together are twin universes
>>142443907
>>142443985
Some context is missing from the pic. There are 12 universes, and they're all numbered, 1 to 12. 1 and 12 are nearly identical, as are 6 and 7. The paired universes can have their numbers added together to make 13. 1 and 12 are a pair, and their numbers add to 13. The same can be said for 6 and 7.
>>142444111
>- Blutz waves = Golden Oozaru
Blutz waves made no sense at all. They shouldn't work at all if a Saiyan has no tail otherwise looking at the moon would just suffice anyway.
Also what happened to Vegeta's tail when the went SSJ4 anyway? Did it just go back inside of his body like a dick on a cold day?
>>142443978
kep going
Trunks hair colors it's because hes in super cyan
The copy vegeta cannot absorb things as he's a copy, the blob can, not him.
Power levels went to shit, i did rather GT grand daddy goku and his little cyan spawns while gotens fuck girls
>>142444111
>time-travelling against "galactic law"
>this is anything
>Freeza as Beerus' underling
>hey guys my new villain was actually the boss of an older one!
>the origin of the Namekian dragon balls
>i-it wasn't Namek guys it was my new characters!
>Freeza's 3rd form named "Assault form"
>i-it's not Super Saiyan 2, it's Mega Saiyan!
GT is shit & so is this chart.
>>142444222
Nice dub-trips, but that's all I've got going so far.
What comes next is NSFW and isn't really dialogue-heavy, so if I do feel the need, I'll continue and perhaps link it some thread.
>>142443978
Is this the conception of goten?
also nice tits, better deliver so i can masturbate
>>142444302
>nsfw
`POST IT
>>142444302
post it on /b/ or /h/ link it here
>>142444302
c'mon fag, don't be an attentionwhore
>>142444280
Way to nitpick
And even then the list outweighs GT by a large margin.
i have absolutely no idea of how super is going to end
but im happy that this guy is no longer the last hope of the main dragon ball future
>>142444280
>>time-travelling against "galactic law"
Dude, we have a time traveller coming next week and Jaco visits regularly now. How is it not something?
>>142444302
>>142444327
>>142444336
>>142444390
"Dragonball H"
I'd rather spoonfeed than have an unnecessary amount of sauce posts.
>>142444390
I'm not, that's literally all I got done so far. I saw it on the last thread, got curious, looked it up, thought the dialogue and stuff was ECH and decided to redo some of it.
Check back and the thread is archived, so I came on here and posted progress.
>>142444396
>nitpick
>mentions extremely minor & even previous canon defying shit like defusing potara
>nitpicking
Should we count each individual enemy appearing in early GT here? Should we count Pan or Uub? This list is desperate, naming tiny minute shit.
>>142444302
>no link to sad panda.
>>142444457
its not a sauce newfag we never asked it, we know what it is, is the every person first h manga, i just wanted seeing it here
>>142443473
goku got swag now, he dropped that whack trainin outfit an got da all black polo sweater wit the bling bling, i bet ya he gonna be saggin in dem jeans n have some J's on too
>>142444453
>How is it not something?
Hey guys, Black Goku is arriving. Why is Goku's hair color not relevant?
>>142440603
Why does future trunks have the best bulma mom?
His mom compared to the current bulma is garbage
>>142443966
Mai is too pure for that
>>142440912
Remember when there was a character who didn't have the shitty honor and just go on for the kill without hesitation?
>>142444302
give us the sauce fag
>>142444508
Why?
>>142443345
Yeah, I guess I am mad.
The one thing I wanted was for this series to be better than GT, and I'm getting something that's just as bad or probably worse. Super is making me realize that GT had it's heart in the right place, even if it failed on most aspects completely. GT could actually bother to age up the characters appropriately. Super can't be assed to care about that shit, and if you point it out, Superfriends will beat you down and call you a fuck for thinking about it.
And to me, that's a problem, I shouldn't be thinking about the GOOD of GT in the first place, I should be watching Super be awesome and the new adventures of the gang and forget that GT ever happened. But I'm not getting that. The DB fandom has been shitting on GT for so many years (more than a decade?), and rightfully so. But I think most of you don't even remember WHY GT was bad in the first place, but go strictly off heresy. GT is the bad thing, so Super HAS to be the good thing, no arguments about it it.
I guess I'm mad because I'll see the series pull the same shit as GT, and then I'll watch people leap out of the woodwork to make excuses for the series or tell me about Toriyama's true vision that I never understood. Christ forbid if you're a fan of a character getting shat on, because fuck them and fuck you, that's what. That character was always a lame piece of shit.
I guess I'm mad because this is basically GT v2, but as long as Vegeta gets his due (but always ending up second to Goku anyway!) it doesn't really matter. Wasn't Super 17 one of the worst arcs ever? But we're getting excited for Future Trunks and EVIL GOKU as the new arc? Are these (in concept, we haven't seen the execution yet) not cut from the same cloth? Does anyone expect anything thta made that arc to be good to be here?
Not to mention, we were just shitting on that arc for being too serious a few months ago to defend the new tournament arc and characters!
>>142444484
>>mentions extremely minor & even previous canon defying shit like defusing potara
Sorry but how does that defy the canon?
No one said they couldn't be wished apart and in Z they were separated by whatever magic and power was in Buu.
Also there's clearly some business with the potara earrings with the whole black Goku thing seeing as this image is made to draw your eye to it >>142443473
>Should we count each individual enemy appearing in early GT here?
Only if you want negative points seeing as they're all just rehashed from previous characters in DB/Z. Not even Super did shit like that even when it came to Frost because while he had the same motivations of universal domination his methods clearly differed setting the two characters apart.
>Should we count Pan or Uub?
Sure, strike two points for Z for creating them and giving us potential. And remove 2 more from GT for making them the worst characters in the series thus far with the personality of cardboard.
Holy shit GTfags fuck off
>>142444650
you just dont ask why post a H manga on /a/ you just do it
I really hope Evil Goku doesn't have God Ki. As lazy as the concept is, I'd really like to see some of Goku's old forms.
>>142444650
Because he didn't have sauce and wanted to make himself look big by saying he didn't ask for it.
Remember, only newfags use "newfag" as an insult because they're the only ones it makes feel insecure.
>>142435531
How do I watch Dragonball Super?
Do I watch Battle of Gods -> Ressurection F -> Dragonball Super Epoisodes?
>>142444802
Super retells the movies so you might want to watch the movies and skip Super's episodes covering those.
>>142443777
Is it just too much to just call a retcon a retcon?
For fuck's sake.
>>142444802
Watch the movies. Then just know that Gohan starts training again and that that may lead to something (I can see the Gohan-hate replies now) and then just start at the Tournament.
>>142435531
>We want another DB series, they said
>>142441259
Not that guy, but growing the cast of recurring characters makes things more entertaining IMO.
Take last episode for example.
They wouldn't have won against Copy Vegeta if Monaka hadn't accidentally stepped on the crystal while walking backwards.
This leads Goku to further believe in Monaka's complete dominance, feeding further to the running gag that he's a weakling by nature.
>>142444640
I like how everyone in the future is just smarter when it comes to fighting.
>Future Trunks kill Frieza without any hesitation, is all business 24/7, was the one who suggested to gang up on Cell to help Goku only to get shut down because of "muh honor"
>1st Form Cell was a tricky son of a bitch who hid and gained power until he knew it was enough to face Piccolo head on. Got progressively stupider as he absorbed the present androids
>Black seem to be even more ruthless and destroyed humanity without any additional fluff, outright tries to stop Trunks from getting help if we go by the text preview
No idea if that dissonance is intentional or not, but I enjoy it a lot.
you don't
>>142444802
Start with Episode 30 after watching the two movies.
>>142444784
>only newfags use "newfag" as an insult because they're the only ones it makes feel insecure.
>>142444724
>No one said they couldn't be wished apart and in Z they were separated by whatever magic and power was in Buu
It was a permanent thing. Old Kai knew of the Dragon Balls yet still said they were permanent.
>Only if you want negative points
>they're all just rehashed from previous characters in DB/Z
>Not even Super did shit like that
>Not even Super did shit like that
>Frost is differently defined
Sonichu isn't a rip off of Sonic & Pikachu! He's gold!
>Sure
>remove 2 more from GT for making them the worst characters in the series
>implying Super didn't fuck up Gohan & Piccolo harder
>>142444861
Too bad Vegeta's stupidity infects Trunks in the time chamber.
>>142444052
None of the jokes you just mentioned have any set up or go anywhere, they're just jokes.
The Para Brothers is no different (in concept) of the Ginyu Force poses outside of the execution, which the Ginyu Force does better, because it's not their entire character.
You're literally just telling me that the silliness in Super is better just because it's not GT.
>>142444861
No anon it's just that you're retarded and don't get the characters
>>142444837
NO YOU FAGGOT LISTEN TO ME.
Trunks having blue hair changes everything. The whole timelines have to be switched around and remade just to make up for this travesty. The androids the Cell arc, none of it is true now that Trunks has blue hair. Everything we know is a lie! Santa Claus isn't real, and I can never love again!
>>142444830
Fantastic.
>>142440912
Wasn't it that he wanted to keep developing his powers with Hit?
It seemed like he was very much evolving as the fight went on.
I'm sure he wanted to see how far he could go to keep gaining his power ups.
For Clone Vegeta, he had the same personality as regular Vegeta, and thus wanted a clear fight of power between his rival and himself.
Never mind the previous fights he was in where he willing let his opponents gain new power ups so he could challenge himself more.
Also, there's a difference between honor and pride.
>>142444111
>- Gods of Destructions as the destroyer counterpart of the Kai. Each with their own attendant. - These characters end up being shit.
>- 12 universes. Paired off into "twin" universes. -Okay
>- King of all, and the universal god heirarchy.-A shitty inconsistent heirarchy
>- Planet Salad, the original Saiyan home. -That was done before DBS. That was done during The Episode of Bardock.
>- Pre-Freeza Saiyan armor design-Who cares
>- the god of Dragons, Zarama-Shit
>- the origin of the Namekian dragon balls-Pointless retcon. We already had a origin. The Namekians made it.
>- An omnipotent being (Zuno) at the center of the universe.- Pointless addition to the already shitty hierarchy.
>- The galactic patrol's anime introduction.- Stolen from another spinoff
>- Galactic King introduction- Total shit
>- Tights Brief introduction.- Okay
>- time-travelling against "galactic law"- Shit
>- Freeza as Beerus' underling.- Shit
>- Freeza's race able to attain an "Ultimate Evolution"- Shit
>- Freeza's 3rd form named "Assault form"- Shit
>- Your "Hell" is tied to the planet you died on.-Shitty retcon
>- Earth's hell is a personal hell.-Shitty retcon
>- De-fusing Potara fusion is possible.-Shitty retcon
>- The SSG ritual- Shit
>- God Ki. Calm and undetectable.- Okay
>- SSG & SSB- Shit
>GT:
>- Black-Star DBs Okay
>- Hell being dark/barren except with the occasional extreme temperature fluctuations. Okay, consistent with DBZ
>- Wishing a lot makes the earth DBs evil. Cool
>-Omega Shenron. Okay
>- Blutz waves = Golden Oozaru Okay
>- SS4 Okay
>- More consistent with final episode of DBZ. Okay
>- Baby Saga. The last good part of the Dragon Ball franchise.
>>142445027
keep going
>>142444905
>dat pic
Fuck off
Earthling Z fighters get some screen time during a cool fight scene with Frieza's army
Piccolo has one of the better fights in this U7 vs U6 tournament (well in the anime version) using various cool abilities like his stretchy arms and the multi form, breaks Vados's barrier which tanked causal blasts from God of destruction Champa, even Frost himself says if Piccolo landed his Makankosappo he would have won
Which is way more than GT gave Piccolo so fuck off GTfaggot.
>>142444905
>Old Kai knew of the Dragon Balls yet still said they were permanent.
The same Old Kai that hates using the Dragon Balls. That Old Kai. The one who says they disrupt the natural order. That Old Kai. Your logic is flawed jose.
>Sonichu
jose come on, you can do better
>>142445064
>This faggot thinks his opinion means shit
Top kek
>>142445142
>This faggot still thinks Super is good.
Kek.
>>142444905
With Gohan, it was hilarious how he got wrecked, but maybe this new arc will give him a chance to shine.
I don't see anything wrong with how Piccolo has been treated in Super. He was cheated out of his fight sure, but he's still got a very active role in Gohan's life as a surrogate father to Pan and continues to join the main stage when there is fighting required.
>>142445064
Is that even supposed to be readable?
Can't wait for Beerus & Whis to rob the next arc of all tension by showing up to interrupt the climatic fight with some comedic meal sequences.
>>142445073
>cool fight scene with Frieza's army
>cool
They did the equivalent of clean up trash Goku or Vegeta's too good to do themselves. Not only did Frieza singlehandedly destroy his own army after but they contributed next to nothing against Frieza himself. We might as well say that Super 17 had the Z Fighters fight shit offscreen or Fusion Reborn for Gotenks killing not-Hitler.
>>142445180
Ignore the retard
>>142445180
If you have basic knowledge in English yes. Sorry you did not graduate high school.
>>142445178
>but maybe this new arc will give him a chance to shine.
No.
>>142444932
>The Para Brothers is no different (in concept) of the Ginyu Force poses outside of the execution, which the Ginyu Force does better, because it's not their entire character.
Holy shit did you just compare the fucking GINYUS to those shits?
How the everloving fuck do you see that?
They have poses?
The entire FUCKING gimmick to them was their dumb dance routine. The Ginyus at least had Guldo's time stop, Jeice and Burter's team attacks, and Ginyu's fucking body change. They pose because they're a FUCKING SENTAI PARODY.
The para para brothers have nothing but the dumb hypno dance.
>>142444671
>GT could actually bother to age up the characters appropriately
Are you really going there anon?
You know for a fact that Saiyans just shoot up after a few years.
Goku did it, Gohan did it and if the ending of Z is anything to go on Goten will do it too.
>GT is the bad thing, so Super HAS to be the good thing, no arguments about it it.
The problem with that logic is that Super so far has been doing things right from foreshadowing to inserting comedy naturally where it would just seem forced in GT. You also seem to be missing the arguments as to why it's better, skipping straight to the
>HURR IT'S GUD ONE BECAUSE DIS BAD ONE
Do you not even comprehend how retarded that logic is?
>I guess I'm mad because I'll see the series pull the same shit as GT
Sorry what?
GT was a poor conglomeration of different concepts across the franchise from the series to movies to games and repeatedly shat on the canon and even went so far as to disregard the rules of the tournament with Papayaman wearing a helmet, keeping in mind that was the entire reason why Gohan had his Saiyaman outfit changed for the tournament in the Buu saga. So far Super hasn't done any outrageous canon breaking things like that.
>I guess I'm mad because this is basically GT v2
You keep on saying this like it means something, the only way you can consider it to be GT v2 is if you include the movie adaptations into Super when we know already that it originated as a Z plot.
>Wasn't Super 17 one of the worst arcs ever? But we're getting excited for Future Trunks and EVIL GOKU as the new arc? Are these (in concept, we haven't seen the execution yet) not cut from the same cloth?
Not in the slightest
For one Super 17 was born from a hell created version of 17, which was created seemingly out of nowhere and nothing due to the lack of available technology in hell, somehow mind controlling the 17 on earth from hell and fusing with it because 17 could have been that powerful if he wasn't awakened early.
>>142445219
>Fusion Reborn for Gotenks killing not-Hitler.
That was one of the best scenes in the movie you shit. Fuck you.
>>142444958
Why are DB threads always filled with people who just throw around the word "retard" and have no actual argument?
>>142445219
>cool
Yes cool as in good fight choreography something a GTfag would know nothing about.
>>142445064
>Baby Saga. The last good part of the Dragon Ball franchise.
The fuck? Baby was an uninspired "enemy from the past" cliche with a power that 40% of oter villains had. "Uhhhh, we control your friends and you can't fight them"
Fuck off, Baby saga was shit. The concept of SSJ4 is shit (same as SSG/SSB, just cheap cash-ins for new toys and cards) and I wish it never existed.
>>142445268
And as for Evil Goku and Trunks you're just making pure baseless assumptions as to what it's going to be which is no different than what you were saying people were doing with Super and liking it without an argument except you're just hating it without an argument.
It's a bit hypocritical no? Needless to say one reason to get hyped is that they're bringing back a fan favourite character and are seemingly leaving his character alone.
>we were just shitting on that arc for being too serious a few months ago to defend the new tournament arc and characters!
You seriously just come here to shitpost don't you.
>>142445268
Hell Fighter 17 is probably the most fanfic idea out there. GT will forever remain shit for that alone.
>>142443452
Dragonball never had original characters
Or good ones
>>142435579
Vegita looked worse in GT
>>142445339
>Baby Saga. The last good part of the Dragon Ball franchise.
Your right. Let me rephrase that: The last PASSABLE part of the Dragon Ball franchise.
It was mediocre at best but not near as bad as Super is now.
>>142445401
Except that's wrong.
>>142445384
>Dragonball never had original characters
It literally didn't. The main character is fucking called "Son Goku."
>>142445087
>Old Kai that hates using the Dragon Balls
>still willing to let them use against Kid Buu
>still allows Dragon Balls to be used in Super
>implying Frost isn't the equivalent of Sonichu
He's not Frieza, Frieza is an evil overlord who's got purple orbs, Frost is an evil overlord who's more blue.
>>142440573
Generic as fuck. Same for the loli version. These sluts don't even look like Mai.
>>142445307
>Why are DB threads always filled with people who just throw around the word "retard"
Because people like you infest the threads.
>>142445407
>Your right.
Case and point this fool
>>142445287
True, it was hilarious but do we say his contribution to defeat Janemba was anything important?
>>142435531
I found this entire scene absolutely hilarious. I'm sorry, but I enjoy that Toriyama has placed humor into Dragonball. People need to remember, this is Dragonball Super, not Dragonball Z. I'm happy to see that it's a mixture of Toriyama's taste of comedy and fighting. And no, Toei's GT couldn't get it right in the mid 90's. I'm glad Toriyama has direction and a role making this series.
GT just felt depressing, the colors, the fact that Goku turned into a Indian boy, OLD PEOPLE. I'm sorry, but christ if you honestly think Dragonball is some super serious hardcore mature series then you're a fucking manchild in hard denial.
>>142444932
>None of the jokes you just mentioned have any set up or go anywhere, they're just jokes.
Thanks for ignoring my post in its entirety you idiot.
Especially the part as to why Vegeta cooking food for Whis isn't just a "HEY WE'RE WACKY" joke like the Para brothers.
>The Para Brothers is no different (in concept) of the Ginyu Force poses outside of the execution
Except the Para Brothers still come out of nowhere while the Ginyu Force are still hinted at as being Frieza's elite attack team several times putting a more serious kind of image in your head as opposed to a sentai parody (with kick ass music mind you).
Also what does the ginyu force even have to do with a GT/Super comparison?
Are you that desperate to defend GT that you would go off on an unrelated tangent?
>>142445429
Thanks to her he looked a little less dumbass
>>142445064
>- Baby Saga. The last good part of the Dragon Ball franchise.
If this is accurate DB is well and good fucked in all ways. I say this as someone who watched Z air as a hormonal mixture of kid and teen and gave up on Buu and then looked up Baby years later and was appaled at how everything was mishandled as fuck (despite not having Z's episode count the fights seemed to be structured the same way with copious amount of filler where there should be none and managing to drag things and ruining pacing even without episodes numbering into 2 digits for a single fight) and left it at that.
"YOU'RE DEFENDING SUPER" someone might say, but I just come to check on these threads now and then out of morbid curiosity. I don't follow DB anymore, but they're cranking shit even after it was already on 500 episodes.
It's like watching a trainwreck made entirely of walking corpses.
>>142445457
>Cut out half of the context.
Shows how deep into shit Super fans can go to defend their shit show.
>>142444111
>- Gods of Destructions as the destroyer counterpart of the Kai. Each with their own attendant.
>- 12 universes. Paired off into "twin" universes.
>- King of all, and the universal god heirarchy.
And none of these concepts will be explored It was wasted on that shit tournament. You'll get this recycled android saga and you'll like it.
>>142435531
Is he going to one of those shitty raves?
>>142445522
>the fact that Goku turned into a Indian boy
He shit on the streets?
>>142445407
Holy shit what
No it wasn't
It was an even worse rehash of the Hatchiyak OVA with the evil Truffle scientist. It wasn't passable at all. The last few episode of the Shadow Dragons was passable. Baby was AWFUL. Worse than any of the major antagonists that've appeared in Super, FRIEZA INCLUDED. You are full of shit if you think Baby was at all passable.
Baby was a fucking moron.
Baby was an annoying cunt.
Baby was a schizophrenic asshole.
Baby lived up to his fucking namesake in the worst ways possible.
And I bet you forgot about the green space lemurs haven't you?
>>142445559
They've already been explored.
Hell, it might even have something to do with the next arc.
>>142442420
Manga autists just changed the criteria they had for 30 years regarding canon and quality, don't even try to reason with them.
GT fights had a lot more weight to them, mainly because of the better animation.
GT had it's bright sides, the concepts except for Super 17 and Hell fighter 17 but it was a disappointment because of the aforementioned characters and the utterly boring first episodes before Baby.
>>142445473
If they could get there they'd probably have been able to. They couldn't. So they fought Hitler. Meanwhile Gohan killed Frieza in one punch.
>>142445614
>FRIEZA INCLUDED
>>142445614
>The last few episode of the Shadow Dragons was passable
Dude naw.
The only passable part of GT was the tournament episode and they still fucked it up by making Uub break the rules.
>>142445551
>Retard can't see his own grammar error even after I pointed it out for him.
Jesus end yourself.
>>142445614
Baby was much better than Hatchiyak, Haitchiyak whole thing was that he was a killing machine.
Baby was a pretty great villain and had a damned god reason to be upset at the Saiyans seeing as they killed his people and destroyed his planet.
>>142445326
>good fight choreography
>that
>good
I've seen the RoF action scenes & none of it is remotely close to good.
