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The ride oges on and on.
Sylwia was really cute when she was younger.
>>140928321
Dear lord
>>140927278
Finally, it was the morning of the big day. Walther was driving you to the farm where the ceremony was going to be held. you had a pounding hangover. You had a stag party the night before, that thankfully mostly involved drinking. Somebody did hire a stripper, but you eventually steered her towards one of your own single friends who had come into town for the ceremony. The cold warriors from the interdimensional mattress had become surprisingly adept at convincing normal people that they were also normal people, who had spent their entire lives in the time, place and culture in which they were currently living. Theo, of course, was completely useless, but according to Pham, he hardly ever left Irisdina's room anyway, so it wasn't an issue. He spent his entire days lying on her bed, his phone plugged into the wall, staring at the tiny screen in his hands, surfing the internet. Sometimes, he went out onto the balcony so he could stare at his tiny screen while smoking the cigarettes he swore up and down to Iris that he never touched. Sometimes, he'd lock himself in the bathroom, soaking in the tub, staring at the tiny screen in his hands. Practically the only time he wasn't surfing the internet on his phone was when he went on the mandatory (for him) group runs through the neighborhood, which at least kept him human-shaped despite his total lack of other activity.
You sip on the Gatorade in your lap. You don't know why you were thinking about Theo right now, anyway. Today isn't about him, it's about his sister. You like his sister more, though, come to think of it, that's exactly how she reacted when she first arrived, minus the cigarettes. In a lot of ways, they are a lot alike. You pull into the driveway of the bed and breakfast, and head to Your tiny room, to get changed. For some reason, in the name of convention, You've been staying separately from Lise since you arrived at the Bed and Breakfast, part of the whole wedding thing.
>>140928424
So, is that her best friend who had her raped, who Sylwia later killed in retaliation?
>>140928535
This is the same feeling I get when I'm getting closer and closer to the end of a book.I don't like it
Steam BETA keys when??
New VN fucking when?
>>140928535
You change into your Tuxedo, put on the shoes, and head over towards the chapel. You've been alone since you got into the bed and breakfast room. Showering alone, in particular, was a lonely and depressing experience. You vow to yourself never to shower without a pair of knockers again, because the experience is just too horrible to think about. As you walk to the chapel, you suddenly feel very alone. Everyone else is doing their own thing to get ready for the ceremony, and despite the fact that it is your big day, nobody is really paying any attention to you right now. You slip into the chapel, and take a look around. It seems like it must be some sort of Calvinist or Puritan affair, with nothing but brightly polished church pews, whitewashed walls, and a simple cross on the altar. You cross the center aisle, not sure what to do. Are you supposed to bow now? No, that's a Catholic thing, and you aren't bowing to the crucifix, you're bowing to the consecrated Eucharist that is kept in the sanctuary. You opt instead to just sit down. You try to move quietly, but the leather soles of your shoes and the hardwood floor of the church conspiring against you to mark every step you take with a purposeful tap. You eventually make it to the second row of pews, and sit down.
It's a little bit scary. After this, things will be different. Or will they? You've attended three weddings since you arrived, but each of those seemed to have been just fulfilling an action that was already decided on, but had been deferred. Beatrix and Jurgen had gone ahead and tied the knot purely to avoid the judgmental gaze of the almighty sister. Walther and Sylwia had essentially been married since they first arrived here, but hadn't thought to formalize it until witnessing Jurgen and Beatrix. Inghild and Marco had been torn apart as young lovers, and sought a way to tell each other and themselves that they would never be parted again for as long as they lived, and forever after.
>>140929126
March2017
>>140927278
>Pham showing she has hidden lewd side
>still maintaining Pham's spoiling loving self
This heals the Phamfag
;_;
>>140929172
Your own love had been different. There was nothing inevitable about it. Taking Lise in, and helping her become a semi-normal, mostly functional human being again, had been the most difficult and frightening ordeal you had ever gone through. It had also been the most rewarding. It seems fitting that a love had blossomed from that struggle. Teaching her how to love again, and how to be loved, and how to love herself, was possibly your greatest triumph. You lean forward, with your elbows on the pew in front of you, and contemplate the two years previous to today.
"Wake up, it's time for your wedding!"
You feel an elbow jamming itself violently into your ribs, and after a moment of quiet contemplation, decide to sit up and take stock of the situation. Your best man, a childhood friend from back home, is gently trying to wake you, at least in his own way, by his own standard of gentleness. You look around, and people are filing into the chapel. You take your place on the altar, and wait. Just before the ceremony starts, You see Mrs. Hohenstein, Beatrix, and Farka file into the building and take their seats, with Farka acting as chief bridesmaid, since unlike Beatrix, she had not already been spoken for. Finally, the host of the bed and breakfast, who is actually a fairly talented pianist, starts the entrance theme, and Lise steps into the hall, holding her father's hand.
Lise is beautiful. She's wearing a blue wedding down, that sunny teal that matches her eyes perfectly. She said she didn't want to wear white, that she didn't want to pretend to be someone she's not. She said that since you loved her for the real Lise Hohenstein, the real Lise Hohenstein should be the person you marry. You don't buy the metaphorical significance of a white wedding dress yourself, but it doesn't matter. Lise Hohenstein is absolutely gorgeous today.
>>140928379
Comrade, use gud quality next time, okay?
>>140928053
Is this the LN version of the execution threat on the rooftop?
>>140929928
Oh shit its happening.
>>140929938
Yes it is. Shame Lise and Sylwia never got a chance to really know each other's pasts. They could bond over shared unpleasant sexual experiences. Though Lise had it worse 100 times over, its nice having someone to talk to who understands.
>>140930108
Lise wasn't betrayed though, she was just victimized. Sylwia got sold for thirty pieces of silver. even if the actual rape wasn't as bad, the things leading up to it were arguably worse.
>>140929928
As she walked down the aisle, the world melted away, and it seemed that the only things left in the universe were yourself and the radiant girl in the blue dress, standing across from you. The preacher read the vows, but you didn't hear hardly any of it. Finally;
"...and do you take this woman as your lawfully wedded wife?"
"I do."
He says some more things, but you don't remember any of it. All you are aware of is the girl standing beside you.
"You may now kiss the bride."
You lean forward, and so does she. As your lips touch, it seems as though you and her also melt away, leaving nothing in the universe but the love you share. For a moment, that love is the total sum of all existence. Everything that has been, is now, and will ever be.
You finally break away, and the hostess plays a recessional hymn, and you carry your bride out of the chapel and towards the red barn on the other side of the lawn, which has been set up as a venue for this kind of thing. Maybe carrying her isn't the 'correct' thing to do, but she's tiny and light, and you're strong. You feel especially strong now. As you step into the fresh air, the universe comes coursing back to you, and you're suddenly aware of the girl cradled in your arms, smiling up at you. You let her down, and you walk the rest of the way to the barn, being followed by your friends and family. As you step into the barn, Lise turns to you and grins.
"It's happening."
>>140930496
Yes its worse to be betrayed than just victimized. Its also worse to get raped repeatedly and forced to prostitute for your rapists for years then having it happen just once. Comparing how both ended up in their respective situations pales in comparison to the experiences themselves.
>>140930911
well, yeah. I guess the point is, in its own way, Sylwia's experience was equally bad. Fortunately for her, she found a person that loved her as she was, even if that love was tragically cut short.
>>140930568
You get to the barn, and Lise has you help her out of the wedding dress' skirt, leaving her wearing a rather glorious looking cocktail dress. It's a common feature on wedding dresses these days, but a clever one. the full length skirt is eschewed as soon as the ceremony is over, and Lise can move through the crowd of people she knows and loves with relative ease. Calling it a crowd might be a bit optimistic. There are perhaps fifty people there, of whom 30 or so are on your side. You feel giddy. Whatever speed bumps and minor crises Lise had faced in the week leading up to the wedding had been dealt with by her mother and best friends. You never had time to deal with all the sources of your personal anxieties leading up to the ceremony, but now that it is over, they feel as if they have magically dissapeared. You grab a bottle of Prosecco out of a tub of Ice, and send the cork into the rafters. You want to drink it out of the bottle, that seems to fit the mood, but you tried that once, and it;s a much better idea in theory than in practice. Instead, you pour the contents of the bottle into a beer stein, and move through the crowd.
You eschew your tuxdeo jacket, as well as the noose constricting your neck, and unbutton the top three buttons of your shirt. Somewhere, somebody turns on the music, and the party starts. You'll eventually get to the toasts, and the dances, but now it's just a moment to relax and enjoy the occasion. The Prosecco lends you it's spirit, giving you a warm, bubbly, enthusiastic buzz that helps you float through the crowd, your wife on your arm, thanking everybody for being there, and in turn be congratulated for finally tying the knot. The rest of the day is a blur, until finally, you find yourself alone in the cottage across the lake with Lise. You take your customary shower together, and then spend the entire night relearning in minute detail everything you had ever learned about her body, and her soul.
I want to get Lise and Katia drugged enough to convince them to kiss each other.
>>140931314
Oh no
Is this the end
>>140931189
>in its own way, Sylwia's experience was equally bad
No. I'm sorry I love Sylwia too and I don't wanna argue since they're both tragic but objectively they're not equal. And you're right she did find a person who loved her as she was. Lise didn't. In fact she was executed by the person she went through all of that for in the first place.
>>140931334
You wouldn't need to convince Lise very much.
>>140931314
Good job Healinganon
>>140931338
I still have at least one more side story up my sleeve that necessarily has to occur after the wedding.
>>140931876
Katia didn't show up in the end after all huh
>>140927908
I don't know who she is, but I'm devoting my life to her.
Lise is for headpats!
>>140931949
http://www.age-soft.co.jp/Product/sm/wac/index.htm?process=2&escurl=../character04_esc.html
have fun
Strike Frontier soon?
>>140932015
>when her eyes go dead if you click on her crotch or tits to much
>>140932015
Is it possible to make Sylwia say something nice?
>>140932168
Tickling her knees is the best option and gets the best reaction out of her.
>>140929172
Anon sure is thinking deep before the act.
>>140932199
I want to bully Gretel so much.
>>140932565
Its the glasses, isn't it?
>>140932242
Nope. Mabye Walther could get it out of her.
>>140932168
I can't do it. It makes me feel like a monster. I just do this repeatedly >>140932299
>>140931900
Too busy pissing herself to die.
There's a quest board now, so why isn't this shit there?
>>140932658
Glasses and her voice.
>>140932735
>Tfw someone ran a Muv luv quest on /tg/ yesterday
That fucker has balls of steel considering the current shitstorm over quests there. Hopefully he runs again, the A-12 is a neat concept.
>>140931314
>>140930568
>>140929928
>>140929172
Made my day.
Things like this are what make ME want to get married one day.
Slowpoke here, so like I just finished Schwarzesmarken. What is the deal with him turning into an antagonist at TE by being the master? Dude seems like a pretty chill dude protecting Katia.
>>140933171
There is a reason we all say its a shit adaptation.
>>140932887
>Fucking VLS missile spam against BETA
THE MISSILE KNOWS ANON
>>140933036
I know its foolish to hope but I wish she would get a good end in at least one route in the second VN.
>>140927908
Posting best girls.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music
Official Schwarzesmarken soundtrack by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is THE soundtrack, comrades.
He`s now working on his next album about interdimensional matress travel - when he`s not busy calling out the jew.
Also, commissar Gretel and Martin were lucky to attend to the last concert of the Puhdys https://youtu.be/7FCWNS02jP4
But you can't forget the classics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g
>>140930108
>>140930496
At least Lise could have a taste of what revenge feels like.And why in the end it leaves you wondering why you still feel empty when it's done.
>>140927908
Godamn, look at those melons.
>>140934589
*Sylwia
The absolute madman
Perky twins
>>140934783
What
WHAT
>>140934783
At least he got to tap that magnificent thing before she died.
I see so-called healing devolving even further.
But at least Terrordore is back.
>>140934860
they added that scene in the bd
>>140934800
Even in death they stand at attention.
>>140934972
Is that volume out already? Rips where?
>>140933689
There better damn well be.
>>140934783
There, this is for you, anon.
http://exhentai.org/g/910848/f66e7636a5/
>>140934783
She looks so happy to be with him
>>140935019
Go away Iris.
Best plan ever.
Does anyone have links to the raws of Schwarzesmarken's volumes 6 and 7?
>>140935076
>>140935091
Nothing on nyaa, wait a bit.
>>140934783
>those joyous eyes that say "This is everything I've ever wanted"
>suddenly remember that Theo is going to mess this up and shatter that happiness
I'm impressed they can find ways to make me even more upset at him.
>>140934783
Lucky him.
Now if he only wasn't a complete fucking idiot after the fact.
>>140932199
Gretel a fucking cute.
When they were in Berlin, I literally thought she was Kazusa.
>>140935183
Yeah, real great
>>140935227
Compare that to the dead eyes when she has to sell her body. I'm glad she got her moment but this almost makes it worse.
>>140934783
Link to raws or it didn't happen.
![[HorribleSubs] Schwarzesmarken - 09 [720p].mkv_snapshot_19.05_[2016.05.01_19.23.05].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/n6d5Hre.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Schwarzesmarken - 09 [720p].mkv snapshot 19.05 [2016.05.01 19.23.05]")
>>140935227
She did nothing wrong.
She did what every other good family member would do, stopping him from being with a slut.
>>140935422
Fuck you.
Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI
>>140934512
My watersbrother
>>140935422
That's wrong though
>>140935532
A little Imouto white lie never hurt anyone
>>140935611
But it hurt herself lmao
>>140935627
That's because she never expected Onii-chan to be such a dumbass.
>>140935652
Butyeah you're right
>>140934173
Posting
>>140935185
It will literally never get there, as well as anywhere else. Japs only scan fresh shit, and scan horribly.But maybe I will.
>>140935350
Raws won`t come until months later. It must be vol 5 or 6.
>>140935764
Didn't that shit happened in ep 6? must be volume 3 than. The next one that's is coming out.
PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
>>140935530
This song is actually good, i´d dance for that.
>>140935920
Is that perfect mix of German and Soviet military music styles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L740ESYghT0
Eastern Bloc represent.
>>140936080
>Tito
muh nigga
>>140936080
Look at this handsome fucker.
>>140936139
>mfw easy scholarship and work with Tito
Please kill me
>>140936262
>tfw no Yugoslavia
>>140936139
Yugoslavia front VN when?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh1C_AbFoNc
Literally storyanon theme.Would have made a much better opening act for the movie too.
>>140936317
JNA STRONK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQToo bad that Tito died in 1980 and everything went to shit because Serbs
>>140936317
Does it involve bullying Stalin?
>>140936379
>Tomorrow Never Dies
BestBrosnanfilm
>>140936080
>Eastern bloc
Literally second rate countries.
>>140936437
>bullying a corpse
>>140936493
Definitely. But Sophie Marceau for the best Bond girl.
>>140936498
t. welfare recipient
>>140936535
>Electra
Literally god-tier taste
>>140936535
Doesn't make any less truth.
>>140936599
Not for long.
>>140934783
Damnit Theo why are you so retarded and did not the the extend of your imouto love?
>>140936615
Don't worry for the west mate we they have still decades of tranquility.
>>140936680
>tranquility
As if, nigga, as if.
Happy International Workers Day comrades!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7kgbT4Wfug
>>140936531
Tito had to deal with Stallin's horseshit for 15 years, both were in office for 30 and 40 years respectively.
>>140936775
Yeah but uncle Joe died in 1953 and since the VN needs to deal with the BETA it must be set on 1973 and onwards
>>140936713
Still better than least side.
>>140936827
Oh yeah, the BETA, forgot about those.
>>140936659
Can't be a tragedy without a little dumbassery.
>>140936853
You sure? We don't have to deal with immigrants, jews, niggers, mexicans, spics or SJW/libtard nonsense and the like.
If you find a decent job, life is quite good.
>>140936853
Keep telling that to yourself, nigga.
>>140936895
Kikes are everpresent though.Until the day of the rope, that is.
>>140936929
They're present but they're not omnipresent here, it makes more sense to siphon money elsewhere for them.
>>140936895
Fascist.
>>140937044
I'd rather be called totalitarian scum than deal with all that shit.
>>140937044
>implying it`s bad by definition
>>140937080
>t. Hitler.
>>140937095
t.Mussolini.
>>140937080
Don`t worry, kikes will call you totalitarian scum anyway at some point.
>>140937141
Oh, I wish.
>>140937149
You wish to die like him? Weird fetish...
>>140937141
>>140937149
At least Mussolini made trains run on time
>>140937195
Everybody dies, but not everybody lives.
>>140937200
Proof?
>>140934783
She blush less than when she licks Axmann's boots.
>>140937247
PROOFS
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/it-trains-ran-on-time.htm
also, It's a joke
>>140929172
>Beatrix and Jurgen had gone ahead and tied the knot purely to avoid the judgmental gaze of the almighty sister
Ah ah ah, we're lying to ourselves if we think that.
Remember how even in her ramshackle bum wedding at the courthouse and cheap clothes, it was still the happiest day of her entire life?
It's not good to lie to ourselves.
>>140931314
Epilogue set18 years from now with all their kidsgetting transported to 83 muv luv germany to fill in for the gap their missing parents as the 666th
>>140937450
pls no
>>140937450
The characters cross over when they die, there are no missing spots.
>>140937392
Phamfag your waifu a best
>>140933171
Well for one, it's not a settled thing if that guy even IS the Master. Yes, there's lots of coincidences and similarities, but also other factors saying not. And no material saying he's Theo.
>>140932887
I've been away from /tg/ too long, what's going on with quest boards now?
Also, link?
>>140934783
So...is this a preview of Martyrs?
It looks kind of like the anime's art style. What is going on?
>>140937699
>It looks kind of like the anime's art style. What is going on?
It's the BD apparently
>>140936080
You are communist Slav (or near enough to Slav). You have neat federation, Balkans bretty stronk and beautiful if still poor and shit because you is communist. It is 90s, and overlord bully/supporter USSR be gone.
NOW YOU MUST CHOOSE Stephan Stuborobovickusckanseminovkarosoc
A - relatively easy decommunization, simple transition to democracies, stronkest in the Balkans, with good industry and tourismbux galore in your future, Slavs prove they can be good and do good.
B - blow up said federation because everyone is a fucking Slav and therefore inhuman monkey incapable of rational thought, and therefore you decide to destroy your entire country - and then your opposing leaders meet in a cafe to plan how to destroy another fellow leader.
?
>>140937922
C - Use necromancy on Tito
I watched the anime and beforehand you had hyped Beatrix to no extent. Sure, her designs were great, but I did feel she hadn't that much screen time and wasn't sufficiently built as a character. Is this only a thing in the adaption or have I just missed something?
>>140935172
Jesus Christ, I want to make all of the babies with her.
Would the anime be a lot better if it was 20+ plus more episodes?
>>140938084
Yes
>>140938084
Unquestionable.
>>140938042
She''s a cardboard cutout in the adaption and one of the prime reasons it's considered a shit adaption.
>>140937567
Lillies are an interesting flower, no? Delicate and fragrant, and yet with underlying, unyielding strength.
The heart, the soul is the true measure of mankind!
>>140938084
Even one more would have helped. 24 episodes, even still not enough to cover everything, would have done a very good job. But then you also need a competent director.
>>140937741
>I don`t understand shit.jpeg
Sasuga, anon-kun, keep doing this.
>>140938481
A fitting description of her
Phamfag you are the best husbando a waifu could ask for
>>140937922
>democracy
Ahahaha no.
>slavs having to prove anything
>to western faggots especially
We`ll squat on your mass graves.
>>140938581
Pham deserved to die.
>>140938759
Keep going, you`re almost there.
>>140938759
no, fuck you
>>140938777
>>140938789
Lise did nothing wrong with shooting a enemy combatant.
And Pham wanted to die. If she wanted to live then she would request help from the rebels to form several RPG teams and go hunting.
>>140938759
Why would you say such a horrible thing?
>>140938603Thank you, but there is still much to do. I must give out more love. It only makes one stronger, one happier, one freer.
>>140938882
Lad you kinda missed the point of shooting her with an RPG. She didn't want to die, she wanted to sacrifice herself so Lise had a shot at being saved. Theo messed that up though.
>>140938759
Stop giving lisefags a bad name
>>140939167
Yes, he should have given in to the rage then and there. Lise is forfeit anyway, but more death could have been avoided.
>>140939104
Give with everything you have
>>140939234
Did Lise even manage to kill anyone else of note after Pham
>>140939323
Probably some moderate rebels.
Is it bad that i am actually glad that these mechs meant for fighting aliens aren't really that great can be even beaten down by an RPG or tanks?
>>140939468
Mecha is retarded anyway. And any relatively RPG is an incredibly dangerous thing, so there is no "even".Cue kike wailing about sandniggers owning them with stale Kornets.
>>140939167
>she wanted to sacrifice herself so Lise had a shot at being saved
Saved from what? The stasi? From Theo?
That sure did not work. Delusional if you ask me.
>>140939548
>everything one does must always work, absolutely
Is this you, Theo-kun?
>>140939546
Depends on the powerlevels involved.
>>140939548
That's my guess is all, she was neither suicidal nor had a good chance of actually hitting Lise with a non-homing RPG shot so I doubt she'd kill herself for that. I can only suppose she did it in the hopes that a temporary reprive from the high end of combat would make Theo calm down or something.
>>140936437
Nope, it is going to be about foibe massacres.
>>140938882
What RPG teams? There was no rebels left on the base.
Wanting to die and accepting your death are two very different concepts anon. In fact, the former is tied almost to a lack of the latter. She knew what she had to do. She could have backed out, gone away, but she would never do that - to be there for her beloved younger brother when he would most need it.
That is Pham, the very essence of her - self sacrifical, conditionless love. Recognizing what is the path that leads to the better day, or greater hope, even if it's filled with suffering - the path of love and kind hearts, that is the path Pham will always take.
And if somehow given the chance to try again, knowing that that is her fate if she walks that path, then still never hesitating to choose the same way again, THAT is what it means to be Pham, and walk with her as a Phamfag.
The last lights must never die.
>>140939638
Still, she hit it where she wanted to.
>>140935737
>But maybe I will.
Please, anon ;_;
>>140939675
Right in the feels
>>140939701
Depends on russian postal service now.
>>140939675
>What RPG teams? There was no rebels left on the base.
There is a rebel commander to her right.
>>140939730
Suzy is a bitch though.
It runs in the family.
>>140939722
rip
>>140939730
>Suzy
>helping
>>140939722
I got Volume 1 to 5 from Nyaa, but now I have a doubt: are the illustrations supposed to be in black & white? I always saw pic related posted in colors.
>>140939832
No, illustrations inside the volume will be b/w. They usually have an insert in color right under the cover though.
>>140939786
Fucking jinx, don`t you dare.
They didn`t fuck up before.
>>140939730
Suzy took off in the Hips anon. They all thought Pham was on board too.
Only Pham was with Theo
>>140934800
This is definitely Mimizuki's art style. I wonder if this is a bad end, or showing an alternate route.
Was there any more images from the VN? Anything for Lise and Beatrix?
>>140940064
Nee-san ;_;
>>140935091
Here's volume 7 raws:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/abrgda1s62nqxbz/%E7%89%B9%E8%A3%85%E7%89%88%E3%80%80%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%83%B4%E3%82%A1%E3%83%AB%E3%83%84%E3%82%A7%E3%82%B9%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B1%E3%83%B3%E3%80%80%EF%BC%97%E3%80%80%E5%85%8B%E8%82%96%E5%B0%8E%E3%81%8F%E7%86%BE%E5%A4%A9%E3%81%AE%E5%A4%A7%E5%9C%B0%E3%81%B8.epub
You'll have to dig around for 6.
>>140940064
Pham is standing right next to her.
>They all thought Pham was on board too.
You are aware that the hip is small enough that you can see everyone onboard? And that in most cases you have someone to go around and check if everyone in onboard. It is not a Mi-26
They also had the 666th on the same helicopter so they would put her on it if they cared about Pham unless she got permission to walk away with a RPG in hand or she just ran away.
>>140940248
>raws
Recognized symbols you mean.
What I`d like to know is why Bookwalker deems it appropriate to put in such awful illustrations. Do they literally have some intern to run this shit through some cis scanner at 150 dpi?
>>140937450
I think Beatrix and Lise would have the worst reactions to their alternative universe children.
>>140939832
Only TechGian gets the good, colored illustrations. The LN compilations usually stick to black and white. What's really maddening is that this extends even to the electronic LN volumes where there is no penny pinching to be had from forgoing colored illustrations. We might get lucky and get another artbook, but Age hasn't printed one of those in a long time, and Carnelian's art books focus solely on Irisdina whenever they feature Schwarzesmarken content.
>>140939915
I can't find that illustration in the raws I have.
>>140940248
Thanks. Do you remember if the other volumes were ever posted on Muv-Luv threads?
>>140940500
>The LN compilations usually stick to black and white.
What a shame.
The releases for this series so takes ages ...
>>140940790
Nice!
>>140940754
Damn she looks like Lise.
Celebrating international workers day with Gretel!
>>140940972
>>140940943
Why are these two always being pushed by Age?
>>140936418
This is strangest reenaction of classical music since ELP
>>140941043
Because they are the two main heroines
>>140941059
Nice isn't it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EttZiVC7CZA
>>140941043
So Beatrix gets a red lily as her flower of choice. I always imagined her being more of a red rose, alluring, beautiful, lovely, but at the same time, dangerous if not handled properly. Red lily works too.
What's up with teasing onee-sans and head flowers though?
>>140941043
>Good´s Menu
I want those melons, please.
Guys, I`ve found Katja!
She`s in Croatia.
>>140941461
Post what happens next!
>>140941532
Go play the VN.
>>140941532
Can't do, christian board.
>>140941461
sauce ?
>>140939832
So, is Beatrix a good person in the end?
>>140941570
It`s canon, you`re safe.
>>140941655
http://exhentai.org/s/4a94ada1f8/33866-202
![[HorribleSubs] Schwarzesmarken - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_14.41_[2016.03.27_14.27.02].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FssGD83.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Schwarzesmarken - 12 [720p].mkv snapshot 14.41 [2016.03.27 14.27.02]")
>>140941182
And yet Theo barely thinks anything of brutally killing one of them.
>>140941747
Tch
Ahahaha, holy shit, BJ meets designated Wise Jew™ and he immidiately wants a geschafft.
Literally.
>>140941461
good ol carefree days
that ending will always be hurtful
>>140941747
I want to cover her mouth with mine, stick my tongue down her throat, and taste her as her life leaves her.
>>140943378
lewd
![[HorribleSubs] Schwarzesmarken - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_14.57_[2016.03.27_19.52.04].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/McR5VoJ.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Schwarzesmarken - 12 [720p].mkv snapshot 14.57 [2016.03.27 19.52.04]")
>>140943378
>>140941747
Doujin featuring mortally wounded Beatrix when?
>>140943475
No sure if want
>>140934783
What other scenes will the BDs add?Here's hoping to some BiS flashbacks.
Is there a group doing BDs though?
Not even commies have anounced it.
>>140934783
I need Lise's route.
She deserves to have her wish fullfiled.
>>140943920
Not if it comes at the expense of Katia's and everyone else's dreams.
>>140944185
Dreams that will burn to ashes anyway.
>>140944386
>Lise's route
>runaway with me to the west
>OK
>The End
>>140944649
Best Plan Ever.
>>140943475
Anime Beatrix looks so much better without the prominent lip line.
>>140944728
Most boring route, you mean.
>>140944864
>>140943475
So is that thing lying next to her head supposed to be the knife? I hope the BD fixes her death. It was confusing and full of contradictions. Since the BDs seem to be adding sex and gore back into the mix, maybe we can get a proper pan to see where exactly the knife stabbed her.
>>140944185
That is what's going to happen in every route
>>140945336
Sad truth...
>>140945378
Did he shots her in the head?
>>140945336
>>140945523
The majority of Europe and the DDR make it out though, and except for a few holdouts, Germany is one country again. How is Katia's dreams not realized?
>>140944902
Not when it requires them to tag-team a bunch of werevolves, 666 and Stasi on the way to freedom.
>>140945523
Are you man enough to stand by the ideals of your waifu, and help her achieve them?
>>140945617
Lise wouldn't fight Beatrix though.
>>140945612
The DDR sill exist in 2001, makes you wonder how much the moderate rebels fuck it up
>>140935312
What's their problem?
>>140945612
>few holdouts
I keep reading this claim, and no proof is ever provided.
>>140941747
Why should he have? She certainly wouldn't, had their positions been reversed.
>>140946243
I just find it funny that people claim she's main heroine when the hero and even the overall narrative view her with revulsion and contempt.
>>140944386
Still better than whore of Berlin by immesurable margin.
>>140945698
It doesn't take much to form a Government-in-exile, and more than enough of the DDR upper leadership wouldn't have really been able to do otherwise, because Crimes Against Humanity.
>>140946342
I'm not disagreeing.
>>140943920
Too true. She goes through the most bullshit and gets the least. It would be nice see how the different endings change everyone's fate.
>>140945809
>no proof is ever provided
Pic Related.
>>140946440
>>140946342
Why does Age keep pushing her with Iris in all their Comiket material then?
>>140939468
It sorta reminds me of how the M1-series MBTs are incessantly getting BTFO by sandmonkeys with monkey model ordnance.
>>140946440
The coup removed (and killed probably) Honecker and the rest of the National Defence Council
So it's up toGreteland the surviving nomenklatura to lead up the DDR goverment-in-exile
>>140946616
Because she sells.
>>140935737
>Japs only scan fresh shit, and scan horribly
It's their fault we don't have scans of the art from the original publications.
>>140946547
A Zerberus Typhoon is not proof of a few holdouts Anon. Quite on the contrary, the fact that they don't view the NVA as bunch of loony die hard communists and that they still get Migs from the Soviets means that the DDRs government in exile still communist and represents enough people to be considered relevant.
>>140946633
>incessantly
That's a pretty strong term for single-digit casualties.
Also, the Israelis may have found a decent solution to the RPG problem.
>>140946517
Her route will be like Vanishing Point, but with TSF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX26vUoVpaU
>>140946651
I guess Japan just has shit taste then.
>>140946757
GeneralsekretärGretellead us
>>140946826
Why hate so much on someone else's waifu?
>>140931314
>blue wedding dress
I'm tempted, but I'm not even finished with this one yet
>>140946757
No. That's proof the the EU still exists enough to independently design a modern TSF and field it in large numbers. Only the U.S. and (sort of) Japan have done likewise.
The Typhoon, by the way, is West German.
As to the topic of TSFiA 60... It's odd, but the fact that the East Germans are still using imported Soviet equipment indicates that there isn't much left. Maybe they had enough true believers to maintain something resembling a population, but it's hard to believe the majority of the populace would willingly chose to remain under Communist rule regardless of the situation.
It's not as if the DDR is their only alternative to the FRG.
>>140946826
Does that REALLY surprise you?
>>140946979
You're a good man drawanon.
>>140946979
Looks finished enough for me.
And it's fantastic.
>>140947019
No, it indicates that like the real life DDR, they did't any airplane or in this case TSF production facilities
>but it's hard to believe the majority of the populace would willingly chose to remain under Communist rule regardless of the situation.
Nice opinion
They probably went full ostalgie and remembered when they had a nation and they didn't starved to death on refugee camps
>>140946937
Because the people waifuing her are deluding themselves into believing she is something she isn't.
Because she shouldn't be a waifu to began with.
Because her whole character is based around the contrast of how she's superficially the most beautiful character on the cast but is the most ugliest on the inside.
Because she's edgy and pointlessly evil.
Because she's a terrible waifu.
>>140947303
well meme'd
![The_British_Empire_Anachronous[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/cLEhd5n.png "The British Empire Anachronous[1]")
>>140947255
>didn't starved to death on refugee camps
I'm sure the Crown found room for it's new subjects.
>>140947019
Anon, if I am capable of knowing which unit that Typhoon is from don't you think I would know all the facts that you stated already?
Also, have the Refugees any choice on where they go? Because its possible they are forced to keep living under the DDRs government in Exile given that few countries would welcome a few Million mouths to feed, with all that food scarcity in ML.
>>140947255
Weren't Axmann and Beatrix running concentration camps and murdering all the undesirables?
>>140947091
>>140947094
Much thanks, anything for fellow Lisefags. Just need to think up of a a background and effects and it will be better
>>140947362
Thats Theos fantasy, he projects all the evil the Stasi does into the few agents he knows personally.
We will rule the planet one day, and you'll be begging for the jews to come back.
t.Slavs
>>140947346
>bongs
>carting about krauts
>>140947362
I don't think they put 17 millions of citizens on the stasi camps
>>140947439
Which slavs? There's more than two of ya.
>>140947439
th-thanks liberators
>>140947362
That's a throwaway line brought up by an anti-stasi rebel. I think what they actually do to undesirables is stick them on the front lines or give them suicide missions.
>>140947439
First you gotta overcome the drinking problem though. And the declining demographics.
>>140947416
t.apologist.
>>140947516
Thats assuming that there are 17 million Ossies in 1983.
>>140947536
Must be the Serbs again!
>>140947255
>starved to death on refugee camps
> 1981: Operation Dunkirk begins in Europe. With the BETA advance into Europe, the Western European nations evacuate their civilians and civilization to Africa, South America, and South-east Asia. This would continue until 1984.
See, this is why it pays to think ahead. Preparation pays dividends, and a three to four year resettlement and infrastructure development program gives you a system to overload when the hammer falls, so you have crowded colonies rather than tent rape cities.
>>140947361
>Also, have the Refugees any choice on where they go?
If they stayed in East Germany long enough to be their when it fell, they might not.
I just don't see a lot of people doing that. Maybe the soldiers who didn't have a choice?
>>140946979
Looks great
>>140947562
Hannibal said that his wife was deported to a concentration camp because her cousin was in an anti-gov mouvement.
>>140947595
Rakia give much power,it holy water
>>140947619
Why not?
and if so, by how much the population goes down?
>>140947666
Trips confirm.
Beatrix and Axmann are literally SS-Totenkopfverbände.
>>140947340
>lisefag tears the post
I see he got you good.
>>140947619
>>140947687
They probably lost a couple million to CHOMP. Maybe a total population of somewhere between ten and fifteen million?
>>140947416
But they're all FAR from innocent, and are guilty of supporting and furthering the institution that does those things.
>>140947562
>goula
>Stalin's lovers: muh western propaganda.
We all know the truth though.
>>140940287
And are you aware that not everything goes according to plan?
Hell, Pham staying could've been a simple "Wasn't *Insert name here* in your bird when we took off?" "No, I thought she was in YOUR bird!"
You're also dismissing the fact that Suzy is a sadistic bitch (She does tell Theo that he needs to kill his sister or he will be killed cause "lol that means you're a SPY!") they might have noticed and tried to get Pham back in only to be overruled by her, cause hey! we got most of the squad out already and we're not waiting for the reinforcements to show up.
Why do all Slavs sing and dance a lot?
>>140947595
>drinking problem
Superficial bullshit, potatoheads have it much worse, for example.
>declining demographics
Problem is, nobody knows the real numbers. Census in Russia was a piece of shit methodologically, and Eastern Europe in general is not much better.
>>140947753
Communism is nothing since he denies morality.
>>140947819
Why not?
>>140947819
Hey, I don`t. And nobody I know does.
>>140947753
>But they're all FAR from innocent, and are guilty of supporting and furthering the institution that does those things.
They seem to be the ones pushing a lot of it. Beatrix even took control of the stasi, and even Axmann had secretly been taking orders from her for who knows how long. Lise's rape and mindbreak may have even been carried out under Beatrix's command.
>>140947819
Literally medicine for the soul.
>>140947654
>ossies
>western europeans
>>140947856
Well put. That's one of like three fundamental flaws it has.
>>140947741
Considering he was talking about Beatrix and not Lise, that is quite impressive.
>>140947654
I can see some EU governments in Exile "deporting" them if they had enough difficulty feeding their own and trying to push the responsibility of feeding them onto someone else. The reunification might have been frozen that way as well. The west may have decided that keeping their own alive is easier when you don't have a couple million extra mouths to feed.
>>140947753
They've been at war for a decade, the Draft applies for both genders and its at 16 I think, judging by the fact that Vivi is serving. I'd guess around 10 million is a nice estimate.
>>140947741
>implying i'm a lisefag
>>140947874
>Mindbreak and rapes underraged girls.
>Refuse to evacuate their population
>denies people freedom and offer in place fanatic commisars
>don't even want to cooperate with the west despite the situation becoming dire and dire
>people be likes: DDR BEST COUNTRY EVAR.
>>140947905
>Forgetting Katia
>>140947989
>I can see some EU governments in Exile "deporting" them if they had enough difficulty feeding their own and trying to push the responsibility of feeding them onto someone else.
This is ML; that's entirely plausible.
> I'd guess around 10 million is a nice estimate.
Ouch.
![1280px-England_Expects_Signal.svg[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/seJxNCi.png "1280px-England Expects Signal.svg[1]"){kind=small}
>>140947346
>>140947654
>Rue Britannia Intensifies
>>140947856
The ultimate crime in this world is theft, specifically that of property. What is murder but theft of something that intimately belongs to you, your life? Therefor, socialism is the most evil system imaginable for finds its basis upon this one cardinal sin.
>>140947944
It*
Most important flow of all: it goes againts human nature and thzt is the reason that Marx wanted to use a totalitarian type of government to impose comminism.
As for me: Better Dead Than Red!
>>140948097
Katia was a ossie in name only, she was raised in West Germany and knows nothing about the DDR save for some naive ideals
>>140948042
Almost all of that is the stasi's fault. They've done more to sabotage Europe's chances than anyone else, even the French.
>>140948237
t.wall street banker
>>140948285
Beatrix is kind of based on Yuuko, who almost destroyed mankind with her sadistic plans.
>>140948248
Katia: if Germany becomes unitef once again the BETA will have no chance to win!
Me: What country was the major contributor during the war against the 3rd Reich?
Katia: A-ano...USSR?
Me: Yes! And how do they fare against the BETA even with the mightiest weapons and largest armies of mankind?
Katia: T-t-they keep losing and losing...b-but...
Me: Stop dreaming little girl!
>>140948361
>Yuuko
>Sadistic
Choose one.
>>140948246
>it goes againts human nature
Well, that's why it's never been effectively compatible with a democratic government, and thus why most Communist countries have some combination of the worlds 'Democratic', 'People's', and 'Republic' in their names.
>>140948503
Both?
>>140948516
Which is very ironic don't you think?
>>140948557
This is the future she chose.
>>140948610
>Takeru thinking he can call anyone stupid.
Never forget. Never forgive.
>>140947678
If I drink something made with honey and when it goes down my throat it feels like they didn't remove the stingers, that says something.
>>140948516
People's Democratic Republic...still laugthing at that one.
>>140947362
>>140947666
So was she grinning when she was chucking babies into furnaces?
>>140948646
That's the product of Yuuko having her head up her own ass, not Sadism.
>>140948646
> Was it worth it? Was hiding your failure really worth all this?
>>140948697
Probably, but she seems way too eager to solve all her problems with 'Muh Sacrifice'.
And Extra Yuuko certainly took pleasure in the suffering of others...
>>140948690
She was touching herself.
>>140948779
That's still not sadism, just a lack of empathy.
>>140948779
Well you know how Beato and Yuuko feel about people they don't care about. They are little more than tools to be used.
>>140948697
She deserved to die, maybe not as much as Master or Beatrix, but she definitely deserved to get CHMOPED. I hope TDA delivers on her comeuppance.
>>140948886
Yeah, and they don't really care about anyone except themselves.
>>140948903
She was evacuated Anon. While the world dies, she is on her way to Barnard's Star.
>>140943486
ALWAYS BET ON CERBERUS
>>140948600
>'People' 'Republic' of China
>'Democratic' 'People's' 'Republic' of Korea
>'Democratic' 'Republic' of Vietnam
>'Democratic' 'Republic' of Germany
I think it comes from the fact that if you really are something, you don't feel the need to advertise it.
>United States of America
>United Kingdom
>>140948987
Yuuko cared about Marimo and maybe about her sisters. Beatrix cared about Jurgen and in the LNs at least, about the Werewolves.
>>140949040
That's not hard to solve.
>>140949163
>Yuuko cared about Marimo
And didn't think twice about killing her.
>>140949217
Go replay the VNs Anon, Marimos' death is the only one that hurt her.
>>140948170
Does Britain ever decolonise in Muvluv verse? If we'd discovered the Baters in the 60s we'd be mongs not to stick our fingers up at the UN and keep our African colonies in case we get forced out of Britain, or at least so that we could smile smugly when the rest of Europe gets fucked. Same goes for Portugal and France
>>140948903
>. I hope TDA delivers on her comeuppance.
well there might a chance that ikaruga is slaving her way to make shit for him so that might be cool
>>140949298
...Hurt is a strong word.
>>140949217
Exactly. Yuuko's and Beatrix's love is highly selfish and egotistic, not the true love you'd be getting from any of the other girls.
>>140948646
That was literally not his fault
besides if it werent for him and hayase going in there clearing the way then that base would be done
besides it was yuuko and sumika''s fault
>>140949381
How much better off would the world be if someone who wasn't Yuuko was managing Alt IV?
>>140949304
I think that's more or less what happened. EU is holding the line in North Africa (Suez and Gibraltar), and we know from IW that a lot of Europeans wound up in South America/Africa. I suspect that the French began an project to that effect (Op. Dunkirk) and the British conducted its own efforts to hedge their bets against a cross-Chanel landing (which happened, but was repelled at London).
If/When the British didn't need their enclaves as much, they could have used them to store extra Germans or whatever.
With three years of lead-up time, I can think of a couple of ways you could set up enclaves to be ready to accept a massive influx of evacuees and not have conditions degenerate into Somalia-tier shit.
>>140949535
it would be worse
TDA is an example of that
>>140949381
>besides it was yuuko and sumika''s fault
Right. It was the future Yuuko chose.
>>140949535
I don't think Alt IV looks anything like what it did - You probably have a plan that actually makes sense.
>>140949597
>Implying Yuuko didn't sabotage Alt V
>>140949597
I don't know. Killing Beatrix and replacing her with Katia resolved most of the DDR's problems and had no real downsides. What's to say removing Yuuko and getting someone less evil in wouldn't fix most of Alternate's problems.
>>140949741
>What's to say removing Yuuko and getting someone less evil in wouldn't fix most of Alternate's problems.
Alternative IV's Plot Armor.
>>140949651
>>Implying Yuuko didn't sabotage Alt V
nah, I think what all her doing in TDA is just basically her reports being so prophetic like accurate that its basically just lacks her smug face printed it and a qoutation ''I told yo so''
>>140949831
>All these people defending Yuuko
You guys are as bad as the stasi apologists. Villains don't have to have a point, in fact, if you're trying to send a message, sometimes it's better that the villains are wrong in every way possible.
>Yuuko and Beatrix haters are one and the same.
I learned something new today.
>>140949831
>her reports being so prophetic like accurate
That's sort of the suspicious part. The fact that her reports were so accurate, and yet she redacted the shit of them, and the fact on one else ever came close to similar conclusions in two decades of working on G-Bombs seems extremely implausible.
If the predictions were 'easy', extensions of understood principles, then someone else should have known about them. If they were 'hard', based on as-yet unknown interactions of the B-Bombs, then she should not have been able to make such accurate predictions without empirical information. Further, in the both scenarios, publishing her research would have been sufficient to make the necessary corrections to Alt V.
If she didn't sabotage it, she saw the end of the world as preferable to her being wrong.
>>140949982
but yuuko was right though
if she hadn't sacrifice any cost then there wouldn't be anything she would get by all being good two shoes and shit
besides, all she did was saving the world
she was even fine in letting takeru shoot her head since she knows what she did
>>140949990
Are you surprised that people with morals are consistent?
>>140950113
But Yuuko barely accomplished anything.The HI-MAREF Team were the ones who saved the world from alt-Yuuko's fuckup (with Extra-Yuuko's help, I guess).
>>140950113
>besides, all she did was saving the world
That's not a really good excuse considering most of the other villains are using it.
>>140950111
well considering that she really really hates to lose or being wrong, you might be right
reminds me of that scene where she got outwitted in altered fable and she was buttmad as hell when marimo's team won
>>140950263
The claim, I think, is that her plan worked. Except it really didn't.
>>140950172
Yes. They don't seem to be that consistent in RL.
My god, I`m on the moon and there are space nazis.
Why is there no more games like this one.
>>140950346
Spoken like someone who has no idea what they're talking about.
>>140950172
I'm not a very moral person, but I do believe that evil should be punished. Lise, Beatrix, and Yuuko should not be forgiven for their transgressions.
>>140950253
>The HI-MAREF Team
they didn't do shit
they abandon that project
yuuko found it useful so she fucking continued the project since she had a idea that might can be help
But, though i do admit that her building an autistic super computer that malfunctions when gets jealous was kinda retarded
>>140950526
>yuuko found it useful so she fucking continued the project since she had a idea that might can be help
What game did you play? She didn't do shit expect provide the 00 Unit. There was no 'Continuity of the project' on her part.
And she didn't even see it as anything other than a delivery system for the 00 Units, when it turned out that the only significant contribution of the 00 Unit was making the Valkyrie fully operational.
>>140950612
also isn't that 00 Units the product of her sister's research?
>>140950671
I think the physical system might have been. I'm not sure what the split was.
>>140950671
In part, yes.
>>140950468
We will see what type of person you will become after being violently tortured, raped and forced to work for the very people who have and keep disgracying yourself.
Yes I am a Lisefag.
The others were in position of power though and were moraly deficient from the start.
>>140950415
Same back at you.
>>140950468
Anime Lise deserves a place in a mental institute at most. LN Lise was not at all beyond saving. VN Lise we have yet to fully see.
>>140950857
>lisefag
>no concept of agency
What surprise.
>>140950857
>Yes I eat shit
>>140951140
Well, she got that, and even Theo to some extent.
And then there was THAT BUMP.
I don't think there's a point to discuss if Yuuko is evil, as the series itself presents her as sort of shitty utilitarian. She isn't really presented as a hero.
But I think she's well written character, definitely one of the more complex characters of the cast. It's surprising because in extra she was just a comedy character and in unlimited a walking plot device. Wouldn't have guessed I start liking her.
>>140951142
Concept of agency in muv luv DDR in the hand of the Stasi.
Obey and have a tiny hope or die a horrible death after seeing the person you love brutaly killed.
What do you choose? Suicide? As if...
>>140951142
If you wanna use agency as an argument, I know a man more suited for your attention.
>do what we say or we will torture and kill you and your loved ones.
Thats an impossible situation to get out of.
>>140950857
Yeah, I don't know why he put Lise on there, but Beatrix and Yuuko were chaoitic evil from the start.
>>140951949
Oh, I`m sure firing squad will take that into account.
>>140951850
Bullshit. Agency is not equal to power in any way.
SO if there is one thing I've learned, it's that people who say that they're sacrificing the most for humanity are really the ones who are hurting it the most. I wonder how much of a better place the world would be had Yuuko and Beatrix died young.
>>140952611
The difference between the two was that Yuko was a shitty utilitarian with sadistic qualities while Beatrice was a a sadist with shitty utilitarian qualities.
You have to hand it to beatofags, at the very least they don`t offer dumb excuses for their brand of monstrosity.
Beatofags, squat here, you`re allright.
>>140952384
Most Lisefags forget this. In a world in which there were not martyrs, they might even have a point.
>>140952611
>SO if there is one thing I've learned, it's that people who say that they're sacrificing the most for humanity are really the ones who are hurting it the most.
This is a solid observation in general. It's why you've got to be VERY careful about any sort of 'Greater Good' justification.
>>140952854
I think you are vastly overestimating the people with the mettle to die for their ideals, but you do have a point.
>>140952843
They're all superficial cucks anyways. If they looked deeper, they'd find someone who is one of the ugliest characters imaginable.
Katia or Iris are where it's at.
>>140953018
I don't really think they were fighting for the greater good, but just using it as an excuse to do shit.
>>140951815
>unlimited a walking plot device.
I think she says a plot device in Alternative. She might also have a developed character, but the fact that she seems to be able to accomplish anything necessary to advance the plot in a negligible span of time (but nothing else) never really stopped bothering me.
>>140952843
Wonder how they'll all feel when their waifu rips their balls off and force feeds it to them just because they looked at her.
>>140953071
>I don't really think they were fighting for the greater good, but just using it as an excuse to do shit.
That's the other really big concern. No shortage of historical examples of it, for sure.
>>140953071
>Katia or Iris are where it's at.
I feel like either of them could have been better stories; SUFFERING and GRIMDERP =/= good narrative. With Iris, you could have done a similar angle on sacrifice and compromise, but with someone who actually did despise it, and acted on that by actually trying to retain some ethics.
Katia, on the other hand, could have done an initially dark 'loss of innocence' setup, then shifted into a transformation of her from youthfully naive to idealistic nobility. The whole thing could be set up as a deconstruction of Beatrix's core theme that morality is incompatible with reality.
>Somebody has to start. Somebody has to step forward and do what is right, because it is right.
>>140953454
The ultimate test.
But the balls are not for forcefeeding, but for himbeertorte.
>>140953890
>remembering that old writefaggotry.
>>140954022
I`m working the paperwork in these threads.
>>140953878
I think the fact that 9/10ths of Europeans managed to survive offers enough of a refutation of Beatrix's "supposed" ideals, but it's arguable if she really believed those ideals to begin with. Really, just having people who can still love one another and trust each other despite her efforts to drag them down into the abyss with her is enough of an argument against Beatrix.
Anyone else think that the black and white nature of SM's conflicts/characters seriously hurts it?
>>140954709
Yes
th-thanks watanabe
>>140954709
You mean the Animes black and white nature. There is a reason for the existence of Beatofags.
>>140954747
>>140954771
It seems like all the evidence above points to the LN being as unambiguous as the anime.
>>140952325
>>140952384
We're just judging her as a teenaged girl who is acting under extreme duress, and for whom resisting would not only be fatal to herself and the one she loves, but futile, since there's a long line of other victims around who will ultimately do anything she refuses to.
>>140954884
>Ax will kill Theo
Getting real tired of this bullshit. There is literally nothing to point to that, moreover, he just as well may be Axmanns way closer to Iris. Anyone with two braincells will consider paranoid edgelord with a huge red mark on his resume getting into the premier squad highly suspicious.
hello boys!
Let us continue from where we left off.
>>140955089
What would stop Axmann from taking an ex run-away?
>>140955260
Nothing, if it serves his goals. Ax is a machiavellian realist, he doesn`t give a fuck.
>>140955089
They would have no leverage over Lise if they didn't hang that over her head.
>>140955089
She only has to believe it, it matters little if they kill him or not.
>>140954846
4 to 5 guys on a Western thread is evidence enough? Because if it was like that, only fetishists would like Beatrix. And do you truly believe that 50%+ of the Japanese fandom have a fetish for sadism?
>>140955255
Why does every class has to have a Rin.
>>140955339
Endlessly repeating I WILL KILL UR BROTHA is just discarding this leverage by different name. She`s a smart girl, should have figured things out.
>>140955089
Lise has no way of posting this and can't call his bluff either way.
Lises appeal isn't that she's good, or bad. But that she's a normal, relatable person who was thrust into an impossible situation and is trying to do the best she can.
>>140955255
Thanks anon! Okaeri nasai!
>>140955415
>anime/VN lise
>normal
Nice joke, yeah.
LN Lise is said to be different, but at this point it rings reeeeeally thin.
>>140955448
>>140955365
>And do you truly believe that 50%+ of the Japanese fandom have a fetish for sadism?
>What is Esdeath
And since when has Beatrixor Yuuko for that matterbeen popular with over 50% of the Jap fandom. Weren't they all Irisfags for the most part?
Also, as far as Lise, it's easy to believe Axmann's crap when he's had absolute control over her life for so long. It still raises questions why she didn't flee when finally united with her loved one.
>>140955408
>I figured it out! You can't do anything to my brother since he his protected in the NVA haha!
>Oh really?
Sometimes later:
>Here lies Theodore Eberbach, a great onii-chan (irony).
>>140955584
fuck off sumika
>>140955574
And what`s the point? Theo is no good to Ax dead, but very useful alive.
Show him Lise from a distance and he`ll dance.
It`s like you people are all drunk.
>>140955534
They are not 50%+ Beatofags, but at least that many believe she had a point and that her plan was viable. And Lise did try to get her Brother to flee, he didn't cooperate.
>>140955365
>And do you truly believe that 50%+ of the Japanese fandom have a fetish for sadism?
It wouldn't surprise me. Plus, she's hot, so as long as there's a token claim of purpose made, the moral considerations simply don't enter into play for most people.
>>140954709
No. I think this obsession with everything needed to be an even moral grey is the problem.
>>140955723
The way she does that will only fuel his paranoia, and rightly so.
His own rationalization to Iris how fucking Lise will somehow allow him and by extension 666 to control her is just as dumb.
I guess jap animoo screenwriters just can`t into humans.
>>140955743
>>140955797
Balme the kikery in books and movie theaters.
Shlomo can only survive in murky waters.
>>140955851
>>140955797
Game Of Thrones is the cancer that is killing literature.
>>140955797
Yeah, people don't understand that Schwarzesmarken is a story of good vs evil. If they want ambiguity. they can read the Trilogy.
>>140954709
It definitely makes it less interesting.
>>140955939
Have you read the LN?
>>140955939
>they can read the Trilogy
That was just a story of SUFFERING and despair; I don't feel like it actually raises its own moral questions.
There are some stories that manage to do the moral ambivalence thing well, like... I'll get back to you on that.
>>140930108
"Quick Lise, hide your purity from that lewd cow!"- Theo the Oblivious.
>>140956028
>Have you read the LN?
Yes, and it feels like a lot of people are claiming it supports them and then banking on on one disagreeing with them having also read it. It characterizes Beatrix more, but her actions are just evil and her plan is just as stupid.
>>140956131
BIS really fucked things up.
>>140941254
Good observations!
Well Beatrix teases, and I suppose she's oneesan to the Werewolves, but otherwise she isn't that much, is she?
Did anyone draw Stella with a hair flower? Yuuya did nickname her Venus, so there's that...
"Beatrix is literally Hitler" and "Beatrix and Yuuko should have died as children" need to be added, since they've become as standard as the rest.
>>140956131
Well, it seems that Watanabe's interpretation isn't that uncommon.
>>140955677
It's like people can be manipulated using these things called "emotions" and they tend to make very stupid choices based on these.
It's not about having Theo hanging over her head as a metaphorical sword of Damocles, it's about letting her come up with the assumption that is the case, and keeping her emotionally unbalanced just enough to be useful while negating her the advantage of critical thinking that comes in with approaching situations well after the fact.
>But nooo, it's obviously wrong cause I have access to all the information she doesn't as an outsider watching in thru the forth wall.
Keep it up if you want to get laughed at tho.
>>140956187
I'd agree with that.
>>140956328
>But nooo, it's obviously wrong cause I have access to all the information she doesn't as an outsider watching in thru the forth wall.
Excellently put, good sir. I take my hat of to you.
>>140956326
>>140956462
>>140956386
I second that point.
>>140956513
>>140956513
Indeed.
>What the HECK!???????
>>140955677
Lise means nothing to Ax though. As soon as she tries to call his bluff he'll toss her body in a ditch and find another girl to turn into a cocksleeve.
The leverage he has over her is based partly on the fact that she's totally expendable.
>>140956513
>>140956560
>>140956561
>red alert 2 intro,jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuwtNDkHch0
>>140956328
Emotional manipulation only workd short-term, and critical thinking doesn`t explicitly engage postfactum.
Maybe if you could get that simple fact of life through your skull, you wouldn`t have to wail about completely irrelevant storytelling concepts.
>>140956560
>>140956602
MUH!
>>140956584
Exactly. Everybody is a tool.
Lisefags in theory should be able to see this, but then they probably wouldn`t be lisefags.
>>140956651
>Westwood Proudly Presents
;_;
>>140956726
Someday, brother.
Someday.
>>140956041
Basically every event involving humans had moral questions.
>>140956715
>>140956726
Pls anon, don't remind me. I still remember playing it on PS1. That was my first RTS ever.
Fucking EA.....
>>140956705
Lise used to be a good person though, so I could see how people might like her.
>>140956726
Fucking EA
>>140956771
>>140956791
Have faith brothers
>>140956791
Meiya is strange o.O
>>140956792
We don`t see her much before the events SM to form an opinion, really.
>>140947874
Behold, children. The mind of a rabid Beatrix hater and an animeonly. If there is a crime in this world, to his mind, she is guilty of it.
Why can't they just go to MAL already?
>>140956791
>>140956802
>>140956771
You think you got it bad? Look at what Ubishit ia doing to my HoMM
>>140956857
I think you both need a helicopter ride.
How's this compared to muv-luv?
>>140956859
Ubisoft is just as guilty. Rainbow Six will never return to us now.
>>140956780
Right, but at least one side is usually good. The current trend tends to be towards everyone being equally shitty.
>>140956791
>>140956811
In what though? They are gone now.
On the other hand there is still hope for Empire Earth since Sierra are back.
>>140956930
Dunno, I haven't touched any VNs besides ML.
>>140956859
The age of RTS and TBS are over, enjoy your cawadoody 9
>>140956930
Well, no ridiculous aliens and robots, so probably better.
>>140956930
Its entertaining enough. Quite the ride too. Watanabe's Takayuki however pisses most people off, he certainly pissed me off.
>>140956857
>If there is a crime in this world, to his mind, she is guilty of it.
We have no reason to believe she's committed piracy, so you are factually incorrect.
>>140956968
More like enjoy your ASSFAGGOTS
>>140957047
>Watanabe
Well, of course.
>>140957111
Are you just trying to kill the thread?
>>140957159
We can always make a new one.
>>140957091
Are you trying to kill me
>>140957159
What are you talking about? I enjoy it!
>>140957111
>>140957159
>not even past 150 images
Sure
The cutest.
Schmidt did nothing wrong.
>>140957342
Grigory was a true patriot!
>>140956041
SSY does ambiguity very well. The key with that story though, is that it gives everyone fairly rational and understandable motives. The problem with a lot of stories that aim for 'ambiguity' (and what GoT has devolved into), is that everyone just sucks and is awful. That's not ambiguity, it's just a 180 role reversal and SUFFERING for suffering's sake. Well done ambiguous stories tend to be more melancholy than just grimdark in my experience.
>>140957342
>>140957310
>>140957244
fuck posted it twice
>>140957342
He just wanted another SA rating is all.
>>140957405
See, Schweppenstette did nothing wrong!
>>140957502
I wonder what will happen to Martin now.
And I hope 86 shows us!
>>140957497
What food would you anons request? I would go for Italian spaghetti with meat balls!
>>140957559
You better pick Meiya's lunch
Fuck off if you eat cockroach food
>>140957559
VG/mountain loli special, please.
>>140957502
>Withholding information that Able Archer 83 was an exercise and HATO never had plans of a first nuclear strike
>nothing wrong
>>140957553
>He is no longer HVA and has to do normal Stasi work
I wouldn't mind a second HGWXX/7.
>>140957631
There is nothing wrong with trying to bring about the Deluge of Fire.
>>140957641
There is a very ambitios officer rising through the ranks at Stasi, and he`s looking to expand staff.
>>140957696
>nuclear annihilation
>good
>>140957609
>>140957577
Anon, I don't think you realize who is in charge here.
>>140957386
>Well done ambiguous stories tend to be more melancholy than just grimdark in my experience.
This.
>>140957748
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
>Send in MiG for repair outside the country
>get back a the same model but with different serial code
If Tito was here Ukaine wouldn't dream of doing this nonsense.
>>140937699
Someone archived it at least. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/46990600/
Basically one of the mods was a fucking MORON and thought that quests should be Ruby Quest instead of what they've turned into now, and probably had genuinely good intentions, pity his ideas for 'helping' were utter trash. Most of the complaints early posters had were addressed though.
>>140957772
Yeah well, everybody loses
>>140957386
And other stories were never meant to be ambiguous to begin with, yet people try to rationalize are make things morally grey.
>>140957696
How do you figure?
>>140957832
Yeah I always roll my eyes when I see silly articles of this vein for the original Star Wars movies for example, just god dammit guy's it's supposed to be a fun good vs. evil space serial, if you want moral ambiguity watch something where that's actually the intent.
>>140957815
>According to Jutarnji list, however, the five jets were not formerly used by Jordan but were put together using old parts from Bulgaria, Algeria and the former USSR
>cucked by hohols
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/croatia-investigates-military-jets-deal-with-ukrainian-company-03-22-2016
consider suicide
>>140957857
WTF?!
That's not the image I posted, hell I don't even have that image. WTF?!
>>140957938
I view SM in the same vein to be honest. There are no downsides to taking the rebels over the stasi.
>>140957978
>>140957978
This is a level II Evacuation advisory. Please proceed to new thread in an orderly fashion...
>>140957978
>>140957978
Why do Katiafags seem to hate Beatrix and Lise so much?
>>140957961
Suits pocketed the money, welcome to slavland.
>>140958039
>PAGE 7
Oh shit nigger what are you doing?
>>140957987
>>140958039
Should I move to the new thread?
>>140958062
Katia is a character that doesn't belong in the setting.
>>140958062
Because they do awful things based on the premise that they don't have a choice.
>>140958117
Do it man, the new thread was premature, but its for the best.
>>140941570
New management, slapnut; he announced that it's perfectly fine.
>>140958137
Do they?
>>140958062
If Lisefags and Katiafags come together, we can defeat the BETA!
>>140958286
Whatever happened to the imouto alliance
>>140948440
Apples and oranges.
>>140958286
Fuck off katiafag
>>140957815
That`s why you deal with original manufacturer.
And never, NEVER with khohly.
>>140958405
Your waifu destroyed my waifu's dreamthe DDR has not yet fallen
>>140958476
Saint Ursula saved everyone though.
>>140958476
I'm a Lisefag and Katia did nothing wrong. I don't see why the waifuwars are necessary in the first place.
>>140958516
not really
>>140958330
But I'm a Lisefag.
No denyin' Katia's cute too though.
>>140958325
Katiafags left, and we were left to fend off gretel/irisfags alone.
>>140958594
irisfags
where?
>>140958639
In total silence. Those gorilla warfare using cowards
>>140958683
They are dead as fuck
>>140958594
I don't think Gretelfags antagonize anybody. Its mostly just the occasional edgelord.
>>140958736
They keep using mindtricks and hidden killer intent anon you Don't understand
>>140958594
>fend off
Typical insane lisefag, fighting imaginary foes in his delusional mind.
>>140958755
Are there more than one Gretelfag?
The last time we where just two
>>140958755
Gretelfags only attack Suzy, and occasionally the stasi.
>>140958781
>inb4 water fluoridation
>>140958806
The Stasi are about 90℅ of the characters discussed in the threads.
>>140958806
Remove Suzy
I think the Lisespy twist was actually done quite well. It seemed so obvious that the fact she was a spy after all kind of surprised me.
>>140958799
I can't tell, but I respect your commitment. I never payed much attention to her before but she's starting to grow on me.
>>140958865
But I never attacked Beato or Lise
>>140958933
I wish for a Gretel route in Martyrs, but that will never happen ;_;
>>140958799
I`m here.
>>140959060
Hi here I'm dad.
>>140958907
The show wasn't all bad.
>>140959013
At least we get to see more of everyone in the near future, and how they handle different situations.
>>140959323
but muh party route
Real talk for a second: the SED side of the story would be interesting to read
>>140959493
Man theres all kinds of potential there, but were not gonna get it. VN is already more streamlined than the LN, we'll be lucky if everyone in the main cast gets all they need to develop.
>>140959833
The VN got dinged heavily for not incorporating side material in many people's reviews.
>>140959833
Such ls life of a secondaryDon't worry Gretel, you will always be the main heroine of my heart
>>140959907
Well, at least the MC doesn't cut your waifu in half at the end of every route.
>>140959891
>No Requiem
I have fears.
>>140960018
Except on the Beato secret route
>>140960173You mean BiS
>>140960337
>implying there won't be one in Martyrs
>>140960173
I would love this. Just to see them fuck with people like that.
>>140960425
Yes, and Age said there'd be a Yui route back before TE was released.Besides, the sweetest fruit is that which you can see, but never taste.
>>140960426
The reactions would be amazing
>>140960489
I know that feel
>>140960173
What will Lise do if Bea and Theo hit on each other I wonder... But the most priceless would be Iris reaction :P.
>>140960595
They all became a happy werewolf squadron
>>140960426
>>140960173
Never ever happening because of Jurgen. It would be like Sumika deciding to move on from Takeru with Takayuki, it just isn't happening.
>>140956930
it's a series makes the heart rumble in anger
>>140960595
Lise would consider Beatrix a far more worthy love rival than Iris, but I doubt Beatrix would really be big into NTR Theo away.
>>140960595
She wouldn't care about as long as she gets in on the threesomes. She loves them both.
>>140960426
>I fucked youre waifu mug
>>140960748
This
This thread sure got comfy after the new one was made.
>>140960694
Anger at the source material, or Watanabe?
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