Lets look back at previous stations on our endless ride.
Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI
>>140812968
>>140813003
t. Murifat
>>140813065
I suppose they aren't useless - watching them die in huge numbers to make up for their lack of equipment and technology can be quite entertaining.
PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE
HATO shits get out
>>140813237
ENJOY THE LINES!
>>140813201
t. someone who flames the people who protect the rest of a continent while you fail to give any appreciable support
Still mourning;_;
>>140813295
Objectively incorrect.
>>140812849
Can't wait for that fanfic shitposting in this thread too.
>>140813304
She's with Marco again
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpp208_pink-floyd-the-final-cut-film-complete-1983_music
Official Schwarzesmarken soundtrack by Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is THE soundtrack, comrades.
He`s now working on his next album about interdimensional matress travel - when he`s not busy calling out the jew.
Also, commissar Gretel and Martin were lucky to attend to the last concert of the Puhdys https://youtu.be/7FCWNS02jP4
But you can't forget the classics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxITXgetyQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6ZtGpSH4g
>>140813321
>that name
Why?
>objectively incorrect
Appreciable, I did say - you didn't really hold the line now did you, and you didn't build a second defense at the Rhine.
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/IhtKMGd.png "latest[1].png")
>>140813449
>build a second defense at the Rhine.
It still took years for the BETA to overrun all of Europe after the DDR collapsed. They didn't reach the Pyrenees until 1987.
>>140813576
But I'd expect that with all of Murica's support they could hold the Rhine and Alps nigh indefinitely unless a new BETA type showed up, those are major natural obstacles that have been great defensive positions for all of human history. The Odel whatever line didn't follow any natural defense as far as I can tell and still held for that long.
>tfw you'll never play the main trilogy for the first time again.
>>140813652
Good, I don't want to cry like a bitch again.
>>140813639
I'm wondering how the BETA reached Italy via the Alps first rather than France
And the Oder defensive line followed the Oder river and the Seelow Heights
>>140813975
If they're miners, they're probably attracted by the stuff under the alps. Probably the same reason they advanced first into Afghanistan of all places.
Also, posting best scan of best girl.
>>140813639
The Alps, probably. I'm not sure why the Rhine is significant here - it would have the same level of natural defense as the ON Line, which follows the Neisse river in the south and the Oder from where they join to the Baltic.
That said, you might be able to hold the Alps/Pyrenees, but what would be the benefit? Rome is gone isn't coming back, and Spain hasn't been cool for years. Neither region has massive reserves of natural resources or enormous industrial output, and holding the line would still not be cheep, in blood or iron.
Conversely, the English Channel and the Mediterranean do provide effective barriers by sheer size - the BETA were able to invade Kent across the Strait of Dover, but were repelled after six months and never made another successful assault, and they never got a solid foothold in North Africa and nothing there that might have been destroyed in a failed assault. The fact that you can use naval forces, impose attrition as they're crossing under the ocean, and can't use their lasers until they get to shore. Both provide massive force multiplies, and offensive culling raids give you the tactical initiative, preventing the BETA from massing as effectively.
>>140813975
Both of those are minor compared to the Rhine and the Alps.
>when Sardinia / Corcisa remained free to the end
Can the BETA not swim or something?
>>140813652
Good, I don't want to rage again at how bad the climax was.
>>140814072
Where did you get that scan?
>>140814128
They can walk on the seabed in (relatively) shallow water, but they're at a number of obvious disadvantages when doing so.
>>140814128
Not even the BETA want those islands
>>140814119
I dunno, mostly because it don't actually seem the land is all that drained by war and you can afford losses at the Rhine / Alps / Pyrenees, shit people were being fed in the DDR so obviously it hadn't gone to complete shit yet.
>Rome is gone isn't coming back
>spain hasn't been cool for years
This doesn't have to do with anything though, just the thought of trying to re-conquer a continent without any foothold on it makes me cringe it's incredibly difficult.
>>140814167
Anon bought the actual wall scroll at auction, scanned it himself, and posted it to the last thread. We should thank him for his kindness and generosity.
Here's a picture another anon (presumably) drew and posted to the thread. We should also thank him for his time and effort.
>>140814298
Noice
>>140814298
Lisefags and Beatrixfags are crazy.
>>140814368
The good kind of crazy.
>>140813652
I know the feel anon.
>>140798735
>If the Theodor-kun, how not bad?
I-I think I get the context, but can someone do an accurate translation?
This is very important.Not that Pham-nee never said she wanted to be JUST a onee-san
>>140814298
By presumably I mean I assume the first anon is a different person than the second one. It's pretty well established that the second anon is the person who made these pictures.
This is his WIP and I'm really excited about it
>>140812849
Yuimouto is love
Yuimouto is life
>>140813652
>play
>>140812849
Reminder to report and ignore these offtopic generals.
>>140813652
>tfw will never feel that ''awwwwwwwww thats sweet '' feeling after finishing extra
>tfw will never feel that horrible feeling of you have done nothing after and that ''see you later'' Unlimited
>tfw wont feel that PTSD ride again
>tfw wont get to read and be physically angry at the noble confidant zone
>tfw wont ever feel that gouging feeling of everyone dying in front of you and you have no choices to save them all
>tfw never gonna that betraying feeling at the climax
i rather not please
>no Muv Luv Kaiserreich
>no Mitteleuropan remnants holding the damn line at the Rhine
>no Iris, Beato, Gretel, or Theo in German Empire fortified suits
>they will not play Die Wacht Am Rhien when the BETA try to cross
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL2sViclu4A
Feels.
>>140814561
My jap skills are still shit but it's something along the lines of:"I guess it won't be bad at all, if it's with Theodor-kun"
>>140814256
>shit people were being fed in the DDR so obviously it hadn't gone to complete shit yet
The DDR wasn't at all in good shape, materially speaking.
Note that in the 3-4 month run of SM, the 666th TSF squadron, ostensibly their best unit, was never once at full strength. In January of '83 they stated the first battle in ep. 1 with nine pilots (75% of nominal), lost one and gained one, but received no reinforcements in the months leading up to Operation Neptune in March.
Then, there are a bunch of little things; the fact that they're deploying Infantry, the equipment of that infantry, the fact that they can't mass enough tubes to simply blow the lasers away, and so forth.
It's an attrition war, and the way those tend to look is pretty evenly matched until one side runs out of ammo or implodes. I wouldn't expect that nutrition would be a rampant problem; it's not directly competing with military heavy industry. It's also not unreasonable that various NGOs would provide food aid even if the Western Governments weren't giving official support.
>without any foothold
Don't forget that TSFs can fly. The fact that you can deploy combat power by moving one of those transport ships near the coast changes quite a bit. The EU routinely makes culling incursions into Europe out of England/Corsica/Wherever.
Also consider that in 1985 they really weren't in any condition to retake Europe, and if they did they'd be no better off when it came to holding it, so trying to maintain a toehold for something that's at least ten years out would be questionable at best.
>>140814772
>German Empire fortified suits
What, exactly, would this look like? I'm trying to picture it, and I'm failing.
>>140814774
Based Pham
>>140814561
If it's Theodore-kun, I guess it's not that bad?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFdUjI07rEw
Strike frontier finally updated, it seems that in this friday stream we are getting some news
>>140814799
Yeah, that's why Katia's plan was the only one which made sense. In the end, they managed to evacuate the majority of Europe. Had they held the line, 20 million more people would've died for no discernible benefit.
Yui, Cryska and Inia are my waifus.
>>140814930
>multiple waifus
>>140814836
Black, White, and Red.
![pe02[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lnWj53a.jpg "pe02[1].jpg")
>>140814954
But does it have the hat?
is Schwarzesmarken good?
>>140815064
Yes
>>140814908
>20 million more people would've died for no discernible benefit.
That's the big problem with the other plan, yes. More specifically, the DDR was facing a serious problem, and it would have done nothing to address it.
>>140814836
SM era or present day? Probably wouldn't change too much from FRG's present day one. Well, maybe even more "aristocratic" elements, more intimidating perhaps. The SM era stuff probably wouldn't be colored dark blue with green highlights. Maybe Iron Cross symbols on their sort of crotch area like other suits seemingly have symbols there?
The real question is, what would Germany's client states wear it like? Especially as they are on the Kingdom of France's land, but there's old Commune of France leanings here and there.
Sylwia would probably be majestic this time around.
>>140814774
>>140814866
So Pham-nee is also in the Theobowl then
>>140815126
>The real question is, what would Germany's client states wear it like? Especially as they are on the Kingdom of France's land, but there's old Commune of France leanings here and there.
Which countries are client states in this scenario?
>>140815042
It's gotta have the hat.
Also I'd assume the basic tsf design has design elements from the Panavia Tornado and maybe the Saab Viggen
Also, Prussian Blue paint with Red, white and black symbols.
>>140815042
No, but the TSFs do.
>>140815250
The Duchies of Baravia, Switzerland, and Austria.
>>140815115
Pretty much.
Beatrix's plan is one of the worst plans ever devise in ML and is something only a diseased, monstrous mind could come up with.
Axmann was pretty greedy. We don't know what he would've done had he attained power. He probably would've lived it up like a hedonistic bastard as he whored himself to the West. The DDR would still be better off than under Beatrix.
Iris was a nationalist, so she would've done everything possible to preserve the DDR. Her plan for gradual withdrawal was pretty good except that it denied help from the West.
Katia's plan was the best, and it's shown that under her Europe and the DDR achieved the best possible outcome given their shit situation.
>>140815042
The Pickelhaube was already being slated for retirement before WWI broke out. The Stalhelm of WWII iconic imagery was actually latter day WWI, both for Germany and Austria-Hungary.
It's good perhaps the Stalhelm ended when it did. You know those ugly ass helmets that the East German army wore? Those were designed in WWII, and the commies simply repurposed. It actually formed quite a bit of the GDR's mythos building and attempts at claiming legitimacy. Basically, they claimed they were the "true" Germany, successor of the old era - when of course they weren't vociferously accusing Bonn of being the Nazi remnant.
>>140813975
Why are there so few guns that can actually fire down on the BETA?
Who the hell thought this was a good design?
>>140815346
Ah, fair enough.
I guess since all of them except maybe Switzerland would be in about the same situation in terms of territory, then probably. Obviously with different symbols and maybe with some color changes.
>>140815416
I'm confident that the thing about Katia's plan was that Katia alone could make it work, she had incredible charisma from the '''feats''' implied in-story.
>>140815416
>was pretty good except that it denied help from the West.
It did? I thought here plan involved opening negotiations for war support from the West (which by itself would have done more good than any amount of manpower Beatrix could have raised) but Katia was the only one who was open to reunification.
But then, I could be wrong.
>>140815538
I think it was more that she was in a unique position to sell it. Other people might have had a higher diplomacy skill modifier, but she was rolling against a much lower DC as a result of her lineage, position, and ideals.
>>140815662
She was the only person with the option to sell it because of how insane it sounded.
>>140815416
>Götterdämmerung did just this – Hitler ordered the total destruction of Berlin to punish those who had failed him –this was never carried out. However, the city itself was destroyed and many thousands were killed. To Hitler this would have been Götterdämmerung.
Beatrix is SM's Hitler. She sought to destroy East Germany, just as Hitler would rather see Germany destroyed than the Soviets take it. How anyone could feel sympathy for her is ridiculous.
>>140815733
>How anyone could feel sympathy for her is ridiculous.
How could anyone sympathize with her.
>>140815250
Well, considering how the Second Weltkrieg usually goes in Kaiserreich, the core enemies of Germany are always the Commune of France, southern Italy, and (nearly always) the Union of Britain, so France would definitely either be under the client kingdom, or split up into core France and Normany and Brittany. Very rarely do they balkanize France completely, or invite Napoleon over from National France. Ukraine has a decently high chance of syndie revolution, and Dutch CAN have it.
Mitteleuropa at start usually has Germany as it's core, the Baltics, Denmark (because UoB often declares war on them), Ukraine, Belarus and Belgium. They often get Poland (or rather Poland-Lithuania forms and chooses Mindagaaus as king) into their camp, so there's Sylwia.
Austria isn't in Mitteleuropa, and depending on how the Augsliech of 1937 goes, the civil war (that usually happens) eithers wrecks their shit in for good and the empire completely collapses, they are able to salvage some remnants, or somewhat rarely, they completely unite after and recreate the Danubian Federation.
Ottoman Empire usually collapses because they're beyond the sick man of Europe now, more like the terminally ill man of Europe.
Other variables are too freeform from one game to the next though. So that's the core bloc of Mitteleuropa vs the Internationale, but obviously it can change highly.
>>140815695
It may have been that, because of her youthful nativity, she approached the situation without the biases that everyone else took as a given and thus was able to concoct a plan that was actually more rational that the others.
If someone had commented or mused something to that effect in the story, it might have made it easier for a lot of people to reconcile the plan with the character.
>>140815416
I think Lise's plan was the best. Grab onii-chan and get the hell out.
>Beatrix is literally Hitler and the worst ever faggots are out again
MAKE IT STOP
GOD WHY
SAME TIME, EVERYTIME
>>140814952
>>140815733
That's bullshit though, Hitler did this to spite everyone from beyond the grave. Beatrix didn't do it primarily for revenge, revenge was a nice bonus.
>>140815855
But it only manages to do that by limiting consideration to avoid the the burdens on the larger plan.
But in doing so, it also forfeits the moral license provided by Preventing The Extinction Of The Species. Beatrix's insurrection and the Counterrevolutionaries can claim to be killing for the sake of some worthwhile good, but at that point, Lise is only killing for personal benefit.
>>140815920
>Beatrix didn't do it primarily for revenge, revenge was a nice bonus.
But then how did she convince herself it was at all a good idea?
>>140816022
Because without the benefit of hindsight and without the complete freedom from assumptions brought on by Katia's naivity it actually isn't a bad idea, the cost in lives is staggering but then again so was the cost in lives at Stalingrad and the Eastern Front in general. Would it work? Who knows.
>A cry like roaring thunder
>As rattling of swords, as surging billow
>To the Rhine, To the Rhine, to the German Rhine
>Who wants to be the guardian of the stream?
>And even if my heart breaks in death
>You will never become French
>Rich, as your flood is with water
>Germany is in heroes blood!
How uncomfortable would the French troops be?
>>140815920
>Beatrix didn't do it primarily for revenge, revenge was a nice bonus.
But her plan/motivations don't add up. Even an idiot could tell that it wouldn't help anyone and would actually hurt humanity. I think that, much like other authoritarian mass murderers, that her purported rationale was added on after the fact to justify herself. She wanted to kill millions. The whole saving the world crap was just there to make her feel good about her sadistic tendencies.
>>140815868
I'm just tired of people trying to say she could've been an alright girl when she really isn't. Her plan was either stupid, or malicious, and she's way worst than Axmann because she combines evil with fanaticism.
>>140816142
Listen motherfucker, you ruin these threads, at the same goddamn time, every single fucking day.
People have already told you how you're retarded, but you keep on persisting, every, single, fucking, day.
We know you have a hateboner for Beatrix. Fine, whatever. But stop shoving your same old tired bullshit in the thread, when the flaws and stupdity in your asinine arguments has been demonstrated many threads before.
God, why can't you be like the militant edgy faction of Gretelfags? Even if they hate other waifus, they keep to themselves mostly, and more importantly, don't shit up the thread at the same time everyday.
>>140816112
as uncomfortable as dealing with americans
>>140815988
Lise owes nothing to the DDR and it is absurd to pretend that she somehow has any sort of obligation towards it's preservation. They probably would have continued to fight on behalf of humanity generally because they're a couple of high school dropouts with nobody else in the world and exactly one marketable job skill between them, assuming Lise is unwilling to become a prostitute again.
>>140816142
>sadistic tendencies.
Are you going by episode 1? You fucking anime only
I hope saddam gas you.
>>140816105
But you're looking at the spreadsheet, and the problem isn't bodies, it's bullets.
I'm also not really sure what productive measures toward Total Mobilization would have been available to enact. Every person you employ as a SATASI is one not working in a factory or fighting the BETA.
>>140816142
Axmann is way mor evil, but he's also more harmless. Axmann might mindbreak and torture a few girls, Beatrix would condemn an entire country. That's how I see it.
>>140816242
>militant edgy faction of Gretelfags
what
Besides I don't hate other waifus
>>140816242
Beatrix's political philosophy is so bad that teenage mobile suit pilots manage to debate against her in the middle of battle. Her ideas are harmful to East German society and therefore put humanity at risk.
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>>140816242
>>140816247
>Not realizing that the French are pretensions douchebags to everyone
>>140816142
>purported rationale was added on after the fact
There are very few indeed mass murderers who 'added on the rationale after the fact'. Killing people is always a means to an end - Hitler started the Holocaust because he needed a convenient scapegoat, Stalin did it to root out dissent and what he saw as a fermenting rebellion, and Mao started the Cultural Revolution trying to root out 'degeneracy'. Nobody kills people because they feel like it at first because that's not even idiotic for a leader, it's insane, and genuinely insane people don't get any support.
>Even an idiot could tell that it wouldn't help anyone
No you couldn't. Her entire plan amounted to sacrificing one country to buy time. She was blinded by her hatred for, well, everything, but it was actually highly rational if you ignored the glaring hole which is the fact that Katia somehow got a lot of people out of the way in a much shorter time.
>sadistic
Blatantly incorrect.
>actually hurt humanity
This is only true if you take the fact that Katia succeeded somehow as a given. It obviously isn't since nobody did it before her if it was so obvious and easy. It's the classic 'sacrifice a hundred to save a thousand', except this is 'sacrifice an entire country to save the rest of the continent'.
Goddamnit man, I'm not even a Beatofag I'm your rare Katiafag but this is beyond idiotic. Did you only watch the anime?
>>140816395
What's your point, teenage mobile suit pilots can debate anyone, it doesn't automatically mean they're wrong especially when that teenage pilot can't even win.
>>140816480
hon hon hon
>>140816367
Then stop trying to push the 'Beatrix is literally Hitler' meme, every day you start the same goddamn shitstorm. Why?
>>140816575
Negro I'm a Gretelfag and I don't do that
Besides I think it's completely wrong and misses the point of the characterization of Beatrix
>>140816523
No it wasn't.
>Hamburg to England is about 350 miles. If we assume a large cargo vessel can maintain a speed of 22 knots more or less forever (they can, and fuel is loaded while people are boarding), then the Large Cargo Vessel needs just under sixteen hours to move a load of people to England.
>Now, a small-to-medium-sized cargo vessel can carry 5,000 containers. Human smugglers have fit 35 in one. This is an abstraction; we'll round down to 25 for margin.
>5000*25 = 125000 people per boat-trip = 496 boat-trips to evac 62 million people, 500 bt for margin, assuming no Post-panamax ships.
>The Port Of Hamburg maintains about 38 dedicated heavy cargo berths, along with 300-odd smaller and other-focused berths. We'll assume Total Mobilization and round up to 50 equivalents.
>Loading and unloading time for large cargo ships is apparently a MUCH more complicated topic, but based on some numbers for a ship of slightly more than twice our reference size at a number of ports with literately anything you might imagine as cargo, 12.5 hours seems about 'typical' for a ship of that size. Our reference vessel is much smaller and people are lighter than iron ore, though, so we'll say 8 hours on either end for loading and unloading.
>This means one boat can complete one trip in 32 hours, or 1.5 days, and Hamburg can launch up to 150 Boat-trips a day. Referencing Bake the Ememies, the Based Pit Masters were in Hamburg for one week before the BETA showed up. Assuming at least one week was therefor available for evacuation, Hamburg could launch more than 700 boat-trips in that time, and only 100 ships would be needed to move everyone in that time frame.
>The fact that they didn't can be chalked up to panic-induced inefficiency, but we know the Pit Masters held at least until every Refugee Ship had launched, so it would be conceivable that the U.S. Army 54th Attack Squadron covered for the ENTIRE German population during the Defense Of Hamburg.
>>140816142
>either stupid
It was retarded.
>malicious
No.
>worse than Axmann
Axmann is 'evil' because he does evil shit for no reason other than laughs. Beatrix is not because she views it as necessary evil for an objectively noble end, simple as that. Misguided, maybe, evil, no.
>sadistic
Where?
>wanted to kill millions
She didn't 'want' to kill them, she thought it would save many more.
>feel good
You're telling me she made up Jurgen's ideals to justify her 'sadistic' tendencies which is outright lying.
>>140816555
Frogs to STRONK!
>>140816711
>The idea is to condense a complex problem down into one that can be very roughly calculated from a few known or easily-obtained data points. If you look at my estimation, the only 'knowledge' going into it is:
England to Hamburg distance
Cargo ship speed
Capacity of a cargo ship
People per TEU
Port of Hamburg capacity
Ship loading time
>None of that was very difficult to find, really.
>It's canon that the evacuation went fairly well; because they were, you know, planning for it, and it wasn't an overnight thing.
>My calculation is intended to illustrate that their is no physical limit on them evacuating 62 million people; which there isn't, even with the 'friction' factors involved.
>Beatrix's plan would only have been throwing away human capital for no real strategic gain.
>Exactly. Just like every other successful mass evacuation in history.
>If you actually expect that something like that would go smoothly, you're an idiot. The point was that it was better than every other BETA evacuation, and managed to by and large work out.
>Think of it this way; they were evacuating from Hamburg, NOT Le Havre or Brest. The fact that they were able to continuously conduct evacuations over a period of weeks means that while it was not a neat process, it was still strategic withdrawal in good order, as opposed to a rout. If the BETA were advancing uncontrolled, the people would have either died or kept running west, which didn't happen.
>If the evacuation had actually been going poorly, the whole country would have turned into Somalia (ref. Syliva's Backstory Events) rather than having isolated outbreaks of social disorder.
>General order was maintained, and there was more than sufficient time and infrastructure to move everyone. Further, the EU actually exists as a supranational entity. If the withdrawal had gone as poorly as you'd have liked, it would be The British Empire.
So yeah, where's the proof that Katia wasn't best for the EU?
>>140816746
The power ofthe metric system
Why doesn't Alternative have a CG gallery? It's kind of strange. Is there any chance they'll add one in the Steam release?
>>140816711
>>140816766
>this shit again
I'm telling you that it obviously wasn't that easy for the simple reason that nobody thought of it before. Either Katia's idea was truly fucking groundbreaking or the idea of stand and fight was so deeply ingrained in everyone's head that nobody even conceived of it.
Basically either literally everyone is retarded, or that didn't work for some reason and Katia found another way.
>So yeah, where's the proof that Katia wasn't best for the EU?
Nobody said this. Katia's plan, if it indeed worked out all right, is objectively a best-case scenario assuming you couldn't just wipe them out. I'm asking why Beatrix is Literally Hitler.
>>140816833
because muh saint ursula
>>140816884
But I'm a fucking Katiafag and I can see that Beatrix was misguided but not Satan in human form.
Beatrix looks around the living room. She knows Theo is behaving himself at this point partially out of the shock that comes from arriving on the mattress. He is still very weak, physically. Also, he's not going to embarass himself in front of the parents he has probably longed to see for years before arriving here this morning. Still, she is aware of the fact that Axmann poisoned his mind, and shifted the blame for what happened to Lise squarely on her own shoulders. That was a problem to broach on a different day, once everything managed to calm down a little bit.
"Well, it's been wonderful, but, we really must be going."
She says so with an edge to the otherwise sweet voice that says that this is a command that is not to be questioned, nor its execution to be delayed in any way. She, Jurgen, and the Baby abruptly disappear. You look at your phone. Iris is getting off work at noon, having been in the bowels of retail hell since 3:30 that morning, but she luckily only has to work eight hours today, since it is Christmas Eve after all. She suggests meeting in the town center, where a large non-denominational winter holiday tree has been placed in front of the library. That sounds like a pretty good plan to you. The sooner you can get out of this situation, the better. It's still on the group text line, and Walther, Sylvia, Inghild and Marco have all already agreed to be there. You brief Lise and Pham on the plan. You hand the keys to the Camry to Lise, and ride with Pham and Farka into town, to walk around enjoying the season until it is time to meet with the other alumni of the 666th Tactical Surface Fighter Squadron.
As you drive, you discuss the situation with Pham.
"So what do we do?"
She turns to you and smiles, "Operation Irisdina."
>>140816915
The healanon is here everyone calm down and stop shitstorming.
>shipping Iris with Theo to calm him down
Shit nigger he got what he wanted in the end
>>140816833
It didn't work because the stasi would literally do anything to hold onto power, even if that power was terminal in nature. They had their golden parachutes, and would lord over the peasantry for as long as possible. People had thought of evacuating beforehand, but it wasn't until Katia came along and the rebellion killed the stasi that it became feasible.
>>140816833
>mass sacrifice of the DDR's citizens
>more than 17 millions peoples condamned.
That's actually worse than Hitler.
>>140816915
Ooh, Iris is coming back into the picture.
>>140816766
>So yeah, where's the proof that Katia wasn't best for the EU?
Too low number of people left on planet earth in the year 2001 if evacuation(s) was a success?
Germany still divided?
Type-00 is the best TSF there is, no substitutions, arguments, or debates.
>>140816960
Jesus fucking Christ, what part of 'sacrifice the few to save the many do you not understand'? Ignore if it succeeded or not or if Katia was a better option, it's not relevant to judging intent since Katia wasn't an option. Either condemn 17 million or condemn Europe, which is the better choice? No don't tell me 'b-but it was retarded', yes it was but which is better because as far as Beatrix could see this was her choice.
>>140816959
And that's bullshit, because the West hadn't left either.
>>140816833
>I'm asking why Beatrix is Literally Hitler
Probably something to do with the 'deaths of millions' bit. Granted, there are better unflattering compasions, but there are enough little similarities to give it some sticking power.
>>140816833
> the idea of stand and fight was so deeply ingrained in everyone's head that nobody even conceived of it
This: >>140816959
>>140817006
>Too low number of people left on planet earth in the year 2001 if evacuation(s) was a success?
This meme needs to die, or they need to make the depopulation of Africa canon.
>>140817083
>what part of 'sacrifice the few to save the many do you not understand'
Because her plan was 'sacrifice the few for no benefit'.
>>140817083
>West hadn't left either.
They'd been making preparations since '81.
>>140817005
Iris is love, Iris is life
>>140817084
>This meme needs to die
You cant fight the numbers mason. We will follow the things that is canon regardless of the logic it lacks.
![tumblr_lubd1lYrAn1qcr6iqo1_1280[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iGKWzQM.jpg "tumblr_lubd1lYrAn1qcr6iqo1_1280[1].jpg")
>>140817053
>>140817006
The DDR by 2001 is just a rump state. Most Ossies swapped over to the West when given the chance. As for population, either the numbers are wrong, or the majority of them died after being evacuated from starvation (many did become refugees, but at least they were given a chance of survival and there wasn't much Katia or anyone could have done to curtail it).
>>140817006
>1 billions people left in 2001
> america, africa and australia untouched
>EU still exist as a supranational entity dominated by the GDR, UK and France (meaning that the 2 most populous countries of the EU have evacuated most of theirs assets/populations at least).
>tens of millions refugees at least.
What the fuck did they smoke when they spooted this number???
>>140817171
I'm saying that the 1995 number that puts it at a bit more than two billion makes much more sense. IW was also published after Unlimited, so...
>>140817171
>>140817084
Food shortages would explain the number. We know that the ML world has difficulty feeding its people, so much so that they've swapped to synthetic food to offset things.
>>140817084
>This: >>140816959
But that's ridiculous. France and West Germany were still around at that time, they should've left already if they could. Are you telling me that those places wanted to keep power to the bitter end too?
>death of millions
Look mate, Hitler is despised not because of how many he killed but why he killed that many. Wilhelm also got a bunch of people killed.
>>140817130
>Because her plan was 'sacrifice the few for no benefit'.
Answer the question, is it better to save East Germany or to save Europe? She was fucking retarded but it doesn't make her le literally Hitler.
>preparations
Katia managed it fast as shit, why did they need 'preparations'? According to that anon it'd take a week.
Daily reminder that the moderate rebels fucked up so hard that people wanted the DDR backand Gretel is leading the DDR government-in-exile from Cuba
>>140817231
Again, looking at things like BiS, it was the food shortages from the nuclear winter that ended up killing a ton of people.
>>140817206
>What the fuck did they smoke when they spooted this number?
They same stuff they were smoking anytime nuclear weapons came up.
>>140814368
Love is crazy anon.
>>140814298
If anyone wants a higher res scan than 4 chan allows for40 mb
http://www.megafileupload.com/f0il/Lise_tapestry.png?pt=qeYIv3gZdRRlE%2BPqi8fN%2BvzKNH63HKKnjXJn%2B2WOgBU%3D
>Gretel lewd
Today was a good day
>>140817261
>Are you telling me that those places wanted to keep power to the bitter end too?
States will do ridiculous things to maintain their integrity. They weren't as bad as the stasi, and at least they had measures in place to get people out quickly.
>>140817275
>from the nuclear winter
you know that nuclear winter is a myth? and highly overblown?
>>140817331
Honestly Katia is too good for MLverse. A leader who legitimately CARES? W O A H.
>>140817231
If that was the case, they there would have been a die-off until the population reached sufficient levels.
Also, if the population really was 'less than one billion memers', then North America alone would have enough output to feed them. It's only the frontline nations that have switched to synthetic food.
>>140817261
>But that's ridiculous. France and West Germany were still around at that time, they should've left already if they could. Are you telling me that those places wanted to keep power to the bitter end too?
No, I'm saying they were setting up overseas exclaves so the people wouldn't wind up in camps for several decades, and so they'd have at least some semblance of an economy in exile.
>is it better to save East Germany or to save Europe?
That's a false choice. If we're going with the cold practicality evaluation, her intentions are irrelevant.
>>140817300
it's not letting me download the picture for whatever reason. Just keeps redirecting me back to the download page.
>>140817372
Katia is the best.
>>140817183
>most of the population starved to death
>h-hey they were given a chance of survival seriously
>posts a fucking katia picture.
My fucking disgust
>>140817346
It's technically not, but you'd need massive amounts of bombs to make it appreciable (by which I mean 535 tier at least).
>>140817430
>her intentions are irrelevant.
They are perfectly relevant to calling her evil, for which only intention matters.
She is retarded and misguided. She is not evil.
>>140817300
>>140817439
OK, got it. Adblock was fucking with it.
>>140817484
>Ossies cucked out of the DDR and left to die of starvation
th-thanks saint Ursula
>>140817262
200 old men in an office don't really prove much...
>>140817261
>Katia managed it fast as shit, why did they need 'preparations'
Because she tack onto the Western evac plan.
>>140817261
>According to that anon it'd take a week.
Because that's only an evaluation of getting people out. The Preparations were centered around ensuring they'd have somewhere to go that didn't look like a Syrian Refugee Camp.
>>140817275
>nuclear winter
Caused by what?
>>140817486
And hoping there are alot of flammable stuff and that the shockwave does not put it out
>>140817477
>w-why is this guy touching meKatia would be perfect if she hadn't fallen for worst boy, I refuse to self-insert into Theo
>>140817549
>flammable
You don't need flammable, you just need a lotta particles in the upper atmosphere.
>>140817549
And that the models that support it are correct. We don't have any empirical evidence.
>>140817300
I respect the upload, but you really could've downsized it with barely any lost in quality.
>>140817583
>You don't need flammable
You need those firestorms mang, just like in the nippon cities
>>140817587
Yepp
>>140816915
You're in the back seat of Pham's car, leaning between the two front seats to converse with the girl driving.
"So you're saying that we should try and hook Theo up with Iris to make sure he behaves himself? What will Iris say?"
Pham shrugs. "We're not just doing it for Theo. I know you don't really spend a whole lot of time with Iris, for obvious reasons, but she's basically been acting lonely and sexually frustrated the entire time we've been living together and it's maddening. It's gotten even worse since Oktoberfest. She's just been mopey. Thank goodness she's been pulling 80 hour workweeks since then, it means we don't have to be around for it. Did something happen while everyone was asleep?"
You open your mouth to reply, then catch yourself, clamping it shut before you can say anything you shouldn't. Pham sees you in the rear-view mirror.
"That's exactly what I thought." Pham laughs. "She probably kissed Beatrix or something."
You almost want to ask how she knows, but if you do that, it's the same as telling her it happened yourself. Pham continues, "Look, if we can make sure that Theo and Iris fall in love with each other, it kills two birds with one stone."
Farka laughs nervously, "I just don't want to get stabbed again. I think maybe you and Lise pushed him too hard. You two are kind of scary when you're focused on the same thing."
"Maybe you're right." You shrug. "I guess I got a little bit too caught up in everything."
You arrive at the town center, or, as close as you're going to get to it and still find parking. You meet up with the others in the Camry. Theo is a little sullen, of course, but going off Lise's parents behavior, it seems as though the drive went smoothly. The sidewalks are clear, but there is snow on the ground, and even though it's noon, the sky is dark. Luckily, the town is lit up by red and green lights, and as you move into the crowd, the festive atmosphere manages to lift even Theo's spirits.
>>140816915
Okay so I'm trying to catch up with a few days worth of writing, and holy crap did this go flying off the rails, so fast.
To be honest, not sure how I'm gonna be able towrite Punished Theonow - unless this is like, Master Theo. Pham is super comfy, I love it!
How do I get into Muv Luv? wiki told me the first game is a faggot highschooler VN setting
then the other games show it was JUST a dream and real world is like hell with aliens invading and massacres
Watching Germany Muv Luv currently after getting familiar with the lore and seems pretty gud
I love how nobody cares about enlisted soldiers and only pilots are the master race despite being a bunch of kids I'm guessing it follows one of those ONLY PLOTARMOR can become pilots
>>14081762
I don't use 'nuclear winter' strictly to refer to the firestorm model, anything that launches tiny particles into the upper atmosphere is sufficient, and we do have many empirical examples of the cooling such an event would cause such as 535-539 and 1816.
>>140817583
>You don't need flammable, you just need a lotta particles in the upper atmosphere.
The only way you're getting anywhere near the levels you need is the simultaneous incineration of several major urban areas. The particles also need to reflect (but not absorb) visible light and not absorb much IR light.
>>140817644
>cum inside Pham
>it ain't me starts playing
>lick Gretel's armpits
>cum inside Gretel
>marry Gretel
>invite Beatrix and her husbando to the wedding
>>140817206
>>140817229
Using current world estimates, between Africa (1.1 billion) America (900+ Millions) and Australia (24 million) they would have around 2 billion people.
You can probably bullshit some numbers to explain losing a couple hundred million, bu half of that with refugees from europe and other places as well? Better be some major fucking up to explain it.
Only feasible explanation I can come up with is a low birth rate over the decades compared to our own world.
Think about it, do you really want to do the marry and have kids when the odds they can get conscripted to die a horrible death as the chew toy of some alien creature rises every day?
>>140817262
Gretel is the one that is leading the former warsaw pact north african expeditionary force agains the BETA.
And supporting cuban-african troop landing in BETA europe for the sake of retaking land killing as many BETA as possible before reaching England.
While Ursula does what?
>>140817686
I just don't see anything that happened that could be reasonably inferred to cause that effect.
There's no need to insist on the MLU figure when the IW makes so much more sense.
>>140816711
>>140816766
Is he just pulling these numbers and statistics out of his ass?
Nice dubs though.
>>140817695
That's bullshit though, large volcanic eruptions can do the same. That's why I said a ridiculous number of nukes.
Also it has nothing to do with nukes anyway, you can firebomb a city just fine.
>>140817262
Don't you mean Ian Smith and PW Botha/FW de Klerk?
>>140817760
High mortality rates encourage lots of children to offset things.
>>140817787
Why would Smith and de Klerk host a commie government?
also, never4get Rhodesia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBVDdr3wqm4
>>140817768
No, I wasn't. I believe the second quoted post stated the figures I used.
And they had a lot more than a week, so I could have been an order of magnitude off an the point would have remained the same.
>>140817783
>Also it has nothing to do with nukes anyway, you can firebomb a city just fine.
It would take a silly amount of firebombs at insane scale to even get close to nuclear level of possible vinter.
>>140817847
>forgetting the writeanon
MILF Gretel will defend the Zambezi!
>>140817762
Ursula probably died heroically saving some people or something.
>>140817819
You need to combine that with polices to encourage population growth. This will likely require the mass execution of feminists, but I can't really see that as a huge loss.
>>140817894
>She DIED HISTORIC on a FURY ROAD
>>140817885
What're you talking about? It'd take a silly number of nukes at an insane scale to do the same.
>>140817888
He is a fag
and both leaders rather french kiss a nigger than help commies
>>140817760
What other choice do you have? If you dont have kids then there will suddenly be a lack of young conscripts meaning there wont be any future replacement in the war against the BETA.
No kids means no humanity, no new soldiers, no new tankers, no new pilots, no new angry scientists and so on. Meaning GG no re
>>140817662If you take your time, you'll have plenty of material to work with until you can get to this pointI'm not going to ever touch on how Theo got here except that he was blind drunk in a TSF going "somewhere" and that's the last thing he remembers.
>>140817644
You deserve more responsesand dubs.
>>140817898
Feminism would tear itself apart if subjected to the level of stress in ML. On the flipside, the high number of females being drafted might keep it around, just in a different form.
>>140817937
Less then conventional firebombs or napalm.
>>140818007
But that's wrong unless you're counting them by numbers.
>>140817819
That was back in the day anon. we're talking modern times when people will gladly trow their lives away toiling for corporate shitbags in the hopes of becoming a shitbag themselves rather than having kids.
I can see the government offering some form of incentive to have children in the form of monetary compensation, or by being dicks about it (IE outlawing birth control)
That opens up another can of worms now that I think about it, abortion is probably illegal all over the world in Muv Luv, seeing as we still need canon fodder and "Teh survival of the human race" and all that jazz.
>>140817984
Delicious Iris' armpits
>>140818083
Considering that the majority of the young women and men get drafted, how does the ML world react to half their female soldiers getting knocked up due to a combination of societal pressures, fuck of fly response, hormonal men and women sharing living quarters (many are teenagers, after all), and so forth.
>>140818070
How could it be wrong anon? A single nuclear bomb could do the same job that several b-52 bomb loads of napalm could do.And yes im counting by the number but it would still demand a large number of nuclear bombs in maybe megaton level of destruction at the same area aiming for high population centers and hoping the fires dont get put out by the shockwave
>>140818209
I think Meiya covers the topic in Unlimited. They force soldiers to take birth control, so no babies for them.
>>140818216
That's what I'm saying, you can't just count them by number that's ridiculous.
Also, you can probably just drop some huge ones in an empty field and hope it kicks up enough dust. Even medium meteor impacts can cause nuclear winter on steroids after all.
>http://www.age-soft.co.jp/masf/
SOON LADS
it finally updated
>>140817644
Pham's Phams are made for healing! I like it.But she wanted Theo too...
>>140817976Thanks...
Incidentally, 'getting lost' for a bit was a theme for one of my next stories.instead of flutes, music in the woods comes from a guy on break holding a boombox coming back from a 90s themed party.
>>140818209
You usually dont give a fuck or have energy left to bang a girl after doing soldier things anon. You just want to get some sleep.And you might consider her to be your sister and so on
But to be honest here, woman are not that good soldiers due to how nature have made them. They may be great in support role (which they have) but in active frontline combat units? Not that much.
>>140818382
You're tired as hell, but you also get horny as fuck. There's a reason why combat jacking is a thing, and why war rape is still around.
>>140817617
I'm not a clever man. Thanks for making it easier for others though.
>>140817644
This is really starting to tie up all the loose ends isn't it. I'm not sure where else you could take this.
>>140818382
>And you might consider her to be your sister and so on
People in the military fuck each other all the time.
>>140818239
I think Japan is somewhat unique in its situation with demographics - remember, the game is set three years after the disastrous initial invasion and the country hasn't had much chance to recover. The high number of cute girls we see in combat outfits in other locations/times would suggest otherwise, but I highly doubt that any country that could avoid it would have a universal age-16 draft for multiple decades.
Also, where the hell would they get enough robots?
>>140814902
Don't understand why people are hyped about this, looks like hot garbage.
>>140818509
It could be like SM where all the chicks are frontline fighters while the men take support roles.
>>140818382
I don't quite see a difference seeing as they're all in TSFs now.
>>140818540
cash cow
>>140818576
That's stupid though. You only need one dude, but one girl is likely not enough.
>>140818576
That's just the anime being retarded again.
>>140818576
>It could be like SM where all the chick
But that's a terrible setup for a generation war.
>>140818509
I think they mentioned the USSR is at a draft age of 12, for both boys and girls.
>>140818239
Probably only for Japan, seeing as how they still have a good population base.
Countries that are gone or it's people near extinction probably don't follow that. Scandinavia has had historically low population anyways, so with the loss, probably they aren't in the wars that much anyways, recovering.
![46e6ca292e64e815942bda464f3e7727[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GOsdjVQ.jpg "46e6ca292e64e815942bda464f3e7727[1].jpg")
>>140818611
Ve shall see about zhat...
>>140818540
TSF, collecting, waifu collecting and etc...but mostly because its something to dig on anything that is muv luv because of how long age release things, though the nips seems to have been blueballed to death due to the waiting..
>>140817675
First off take your goddamn trip off.
Second the games don't say that they are JUST a dream.
Third the first game (Muv-Luv) is a two part game, the first part being a cliched highschool harem parody. The second part is the transition into the military sci-fi setting and the last game is ML: Alternative which is the best part.I have a feeling this is bait but you're still a faggot/
>>140818581
Not everyone is a TSF pilot.
Only special snowflakes.And you still need to do soldier things and basic training, in reality most woman would get outperformed by their fellow male soldiers and considering how the TSF pilots dont wear exoskeletons 24/7 then it is a big thing when outside the TSF
And then again, commanders would prefer to deploy more male soldiers then female soldiers due to females being more important male ones.
>>140818734
I see, shame that Forefront is dead and this is the only game to be excited about.
>>140818736
more important then*
>>140818734
My waifu isn't in it so I don't really care for that portion of the game. I can get behind the TSF tho.
>>140818581
Same reason half of fighter pilots aren't female.
>>140818817
they are probably adding more characters as time goes on. It seems that so far they are just introducing the trilogy's girls first
>>140818931
But when will they add best girl?
>"Beatrix is hitler" is a gretel fag
>>140818961
Nice conspiracy Ivan
got proofs?
>>140818958
When will we get Lise-23 and Beatrix-27?
>>140818961
>>140818961
Wasn't it self obvious? Gretelfags mostly tend to be like their waifu - utterly obnoxious, and more often than not, completely wrong.
>>140819014
fuck off katiafag
>>140818988
>>140819013
see>>140816689
>inb4 katiafag false flag.
Yeesss, I like that.
>>140818958
>mfw I will never blow apart Takashitazuchis as an angry wall of guns
>>140819058
Can't you read Ivan?
>I don't do that
>Besides I think it's completely wrong and misses the point of the characterization of Beatrix
>>140819014
>and more often than not, completely wrong
I liked the part where her mind was broken by Superior Firepower.
>>140816915
>Operation Irsidina
Why must Theo be allowed to live?
>>140819014
>>140818961
I thought he was a Kataifag like the Brazilian spammer.
>>140819112
Well, he DID kill Beatrix, so he deserves some slack.
>>140817644
>"She probably kissed Beatrix or something."
So she knows. Is she going to tease Iris, Beatrix, and Theo over it.
Theo has to find out though, just to see his reaction. Better yet, have him catch them doing it again while drunk.
>>140819101
Hans check the replies before.
Why would someone that was not related talk with a anon that calls out the "beatrix is hitler" shitposter?
>>140819174
>First Lise, now you, with her ?!
So Theo has transitioned from a grimdark eroge into a NTR eroge?
>>140819134
But I'm probably the only Katiafag left and I'm also the one who autistically took the bait.
>>140817644
You make it to the non-denominational winter holiday tree in the center of town, where Iris is waiting along with the others. Walther comes up to Theo and claps him on the back
"Well I'll Be! it looks like you're older than me now."
Theo shrugs, still being mopey, still being exhausted. As he looks up, however, his eyes catch Irisdina's eyes, at least eventually, and it seems as though a cloud has been liften off his shoulders.
"Iris! Thank goodness! You're alive!"
Lise pushes him in the square of the back, causing him to step forward toward Iris. He just manages to stop before bumping into Iris.
"Hug her, you fool!"
Lise is calling out orders to her brother. Theo and Iris eventually become aware of the fact that they are at the center of a ring, like a fight is about to break out, and everyone is staring at them with a look of expectation. Eventually, the give in to the pressure of the crowd, awkwardly wrapping their arms around one another and then melting into each other as they start to become more aware of what they are doing.
"Can you believe this jerk? He wakes up next to his precious younger sister, who he hasn't seen in years, and immeiately asks to see Irisdina Bernhard."
"Yeah, but I mean, aren't you getting married to someone else?" Walther replies.
"That's not the point, I wanted to be the one to reject him, not the other way around."
"Um, I think you did that." Farka chimes in.
It's only been a few hours, but it already seems the trauma of the morning has grown into something of a joke. Thankfully, Theo and Irisdina aren't aware of that right now. In this moment, all they see is each other. You suspect that Lise feels a little bit bad about what happened earlier, despite her disappointment. To be perfectly honest, you owe Theo a big one for not wanting to encroach on your own relationship. You turn to Pham, who is smiling happily.
"I guess Operation Irisdina was a success."
"So far, it looks that way, doesn't it?"
>>140817644
>"Did something happen while everyone was asleep?"
>You open your mouth to reply, then catch yourself, clamping it shut before you can say anything you shouldn't. Pham sees you in the rear-view mirror.
>"That's exactly what I thought." Pham laughs. "She probably kissed Beatrix or something."
Onee-san, please don't bully anyone over this...
>>140819190
Wrong
>why can't you be like the militant edgy faction of Gretelfags? Even if they hate other waifus,
Been the only Gretelfag here I replied that I don't hate other waifus
and I think that "beatrix is literally hilter" is retarded and misses completely the point of the character
>>140818958
they seems to be planning to all the TSF's
but at most the ones they will add first are the shiranui, the gekishit, the raptor the takemikazuchis and strike eagles
>>140819241
I'm more of a Katiafag than a Beatofag or a Lisefag.
I shall stand with you!
>>140819134
>Brazilian spammer.
What ever happened to that retarded AZ spammer. Last I saw of him he was posting Ken and Barby edits over on /m/.
>>140819241
I don't think it's all bait. The guy going on about Europe/Hamburg being able to evacuate in a week is probably genuineif wrong.
>>140819259
Nice, an update. You're keeping me on the edge of my seat.
>>140819286
>Strike Eagel
>Raptor
I wonder how they'll gimp them?
>>140819259
>Theo shrugs, still being mopey, still being exhausted. As he looks up, however, his eyes catch Irisdina's eyes, at least eventually, and it seems as though a cloud has been liften off his shoulders.
>"Iris! Thank goodness! You're alive!"
Goddamn it onii-chan.
>>140819279
Dammit.
Another day and another failure to turn the world agianst gretel.
Where's the suffering anon lads, he needs to come by
>>140819259
Wait
I just realized
What color are Lise's ribbons?
>>140819277
Pham should definitively bully. It'll be teasing onee-san vs trolling onee-san.
>>140819391
He's hopeless. But then again Lise was hopeless for him too.
>>140819259
That's it for now, I'll add a little more when I get home.
incidentally that makes 200 pages of writefaggotry in my document.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-uMN28GtT68ZPP2gS2Tq5Ipm4yw_odDBLpS3qM_camg/edit?usp=sharing
>I accidentally wrote an erotic/romantic fan fiction novel entirely via <2000 character posts to 4chan.org
>>140819279
What really is the point of Beatrix's character then?
>>140819286
>the raptor
>mfw i can fianlly fuck up some shitty takemishitzuchi
cant wait for this game now
>>140819419
Can't stop the commissar
>>140819484muh jurgen
And to hold the line to save Europe while offering the DDR as sacrifice
>>140819612
The message gets kinda muddled a lot by how cruel she is. I think the anime should've left it out as it introduces all sorts of holes and unanswered questions into the plot.
>>140819772
You can thank Watanabe for that
>>140819454
But if Beatrix finds out that Pham found out...
>>140819459
>Lise wants to see onii-chan again
>sets up an entire Schwarzesmarken cosplay channel, ropes people into it, carefully studies the target audience and puts out videos/photos for maximum impact
>all of this just to influence the series creators so Theo can cross over
>when he does cross over, what he mostly cares about is seeing Iris
It's like a softer repetition of the old world: Lise worked hard for his benefit, yet he doesn't seem to realize nor appreciate it. Genuinely starting to wonder what she ever saw in him.
>>140819463
>I accidentally wrote an erotic/romantic fan fiction novel entirely via <2000 character posts to 4chan.org
That in itself sounds like a potential light novel title, healanon. Maybe you should pursue that avenue.
>>140819787
If you are going to change things, at least keep it consistent. The portrayal and tone the anime took towards Beatrix and Lise changed so much between episodes that it seemed almost schizophrenic. One episode tries to make them sympathetic or look like they have depth, the next shows them to be flat psychos who are doing shit for their own enjoyment. Watanabe's such a fucking hack.
>>140819859
>Genuinely starting to wonder what she ever saw in him.
She likely projected an extremely idealized version of him in her head.
>>140819942
I think the Cross Ange scriptwriter played a huge role in that too considering how much whiplash CA suffered from.
>>140819859
>But if Beatrix finds out that Pham found out...
Yes, but then Jurgen just says something along the lines of "that's hot" and everything is golden. Theo would freak out of course.
>>140820096
Jurgen would probably dream of the day he can have a threesome with them
>>140819259
It's cute ;_;
Though I'm worried about Pham. But it's good that it seems Irisdina may find what she wanted after all. I miss these smile protection implications Iris was supposed to have that were glossed over in the anime. Maybe she can have a chance to be happy now. Just kinda wondering some things over all.
Though Theo would love to see Walther too you know...Walther was like his brother and dad in one.
>>140819454
Phambully would be too much!
>>140819463
Congrats brother. You have done well. May power be yours eternally.
>>140819859
basically what >>140819982 said.
What she loves is her mental image of him, not the actual person that Theo is, it's perfectly exemplified by the TSF hug scene.
>>140820096
>>140820143
Well.... there already was that ONE night...Page 97 of healanon's document, lower half
>>140820096
>Despair but also an erection
Seems to sum up Theo pretty well when it comes to anything Beatrix related.
>>140819942
Theres really nothing we can do about it now. At least we have Martyrs to look forward too. Plus the first VN will be getting a whole new audience soon, can't wait to see how that turns out.
>>140820240
That's a bad example. You're only looking at it from Lise's angle, where she went completely mental.
Theo also has his complications with her. She literally JUST murdered Pham, and Theo was trying to kill her, when he suddenly realized he couldn't do it. He loved her too much.
It's not that either projected some exemplarary version of them onto their present selves, it's that they have this mad desperation not to lose each other one more time, and try to get the other in their incompatible dreams.
>>140820386
>Oniichan I did all sorts of horrid shit I literally saved your ass from Stasi I did everything for you gave up everything but I don't need that from you, let's just go to West Germany, leave all the bs behind us, we're changed but we can still try to live a normal lif -
>LISE
>o-oniichan?
>WHERE
>IS
>IRIS
No lad, Theo was doing ok until this shit. Nothing can excuse this shit.
>>140820386
>and try to get the other in their incompatible dreams
Precisely the point why I used that scene as an example, I never said Theo didn't have a few screws lose himself, just that this particular scene doesn't even bother to beat around the bush that Lise had an idealized version of her brother she's obviously having big trouble reconciling with the real Theo.
>>140820464
You missed the entire point of what I just said.
But besides that, yes it was utterly tactless of Theo to say that, but then Lise ups and strikes down the emissary of God. That is unforgiveable. And mean.
>>140820536
Never forget ;_;
>>140820464
Honest question where the hell did this train of thought go. What did he think happened, he doesn't even ask her for an explanation afterwards. Why do I care so much about a show that only had one job and completely dropped the ball
>>140820559
>where the hell did this train of thought go
Evaporated.
Pretty sure Theo was in denial about Lise being a spy, everyone else knew.
>>140820559
The show did many things bad anon. It's best to just move on with the hurt, and look forward to the VN.
