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>>139499342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I do love the films I've done in the past. I work hard in my movies and my friends work hard and we're trying to make people laugh and I'm very proud of that.
>>139535753
お兄ちゃん。。。やっ…やめてぇぇぇ！
sinitai
>>139536123
まぁ やっだにゃぁ
>tfw just the reps in anki take me an hour
>still need to do 60 new cards
でー出来るよね？
itanomakasegi
rongoyominorongosirazu
basuenosakaba
What do you talk about with your Japanese language exchange partner?
>>139536430
kizyoui
>>139536430
How to pee pee
bangouwohuru
inoitibannikaketukeru
mugakumonmou
zyuunanasaikyou
>>139536430
I mostly jusk ask if her マンコ is already ぐしょぐしょ, the talk develops from there.
But honestly, mainly lots of 'general' cultural stuff at first. Today I ate this, look at this drink that's not available in Japan, here's an easter egg... Once you get to know their character it's just like talking to any other person, of course.
otakakutomaru
We're off to a great start, guys. This thread has the potential to become the shittiest in history.
>>139536646
Not if you ignore the trolls like adults would.
>>139536430
Where did you get japanese language exchange partner? HelloTalk? Can I steal them?
katappasikara
syozizyouniyori
Is it finally time?
ouounisite
>>139536811
I hope so.
mukapparagatatu
hibusoutyuuritu
>>139536752
Are you talking about japanese?
>>139536752
No pls I only have 1.
tyokuritunisokuhokou
orehaitibantuyokunaru
>>139537014
Don't help him.
>>139537014
that's not a collocation
>>139536602
What if I don't care about my own culture
syokuryouzikyuuritu
>>139536816
ただの変体仮名じゃない
なにもむずかしいことないよ
>>139537046
You don't have to care, just say something to get the conversation going. They are looking for topics to talk about just as desperately as you are.
oginatteamariaru
>>139537041
知らないよそれ
ただローマ字で書くのを見てそれにしようかなーと思ったのだ
許してください
Is this sakura autist's next strategy? Maybe he should just buy a bitlaser it'd probably calm him down and maybe then he'd actually succeed at learning Japanese.
>>139535805
Reminds me of the Filipino script, Baybayin.
>>139536430
I sent him a message on LINE and never heard back. It's been 3 days.
>>139537132
kawaiikaratokubetuniyurusu... dehatsugihe
yorunotobari
>>139536811
Release me from my suffering
>>139537154
Sakura can't spam shit if you break his arms.
going to go buy a bitlaser to help me trace this autist's IP
>>139537154
>implying everyone who threw a tantrum over an image aren't the real autists
syurabawokugurinukeru
>>139536811
>learned about anki decks
>learned about the guides and their reputations
>saved a couple beginner vn charts
/djt/ has fulfilled its purpose for me
>>139537350
Here we go again.
>>139537108
>They are looking for topics to talk about just as desperately as you are.
Nice, I'm already feeling more comfortable.
>>139537350
I mean it was kind of autistic but that image was ugly as fuck and everything he's done since then is incomparably more autistic.
>>139537350
Throwing a tantrum over other people calling you out is much more autistic
nukunukutosodatu
>>139537293
アタシ全然可愛くない…
可愛くないってば!!
>>139537407
>but that image was ugly as fuck
That's just like your opinion
and it's an irrelevant point. If someone posted an OP that I thought was ugly as fuck I honestly wouldn't care.
>>139537425
kawaiiyokawaisugiruaasonokawaisataruyameniiretemoitakunaikuraida
dehatsugiikou...
nittimosattimoikanai!
>>139537528
Cool, you're opinion is in the minority and also isn't relevant to how autistic he's being though.
>>139537528
Another anon here, that image was objectively fugly
I don't want that to represent a thread I frequent even if that makes me more autistic than him
What image are you cucks talking about?
post collocations you cunts
>>139537588
>>139537611
Have you faggots ever stopped to consider that maybe the DJT OP is just too sexy and it's drawing in the wrong kind of people?
We could use a few ugly OP images if you ask me.
Weed out all the people who care more about petty shit like not having ugly OP images rather than learning Japanese.
>>139537632
>being this new
>cucks
You will never learn Japanese.
>>139537650
>collocations
>>139537689
I already know Japanese that's why I barely come to this thread.
>>139537659
Considering the one pushing the ugly image is the massive autist ruining DJT, no.
If anything at least DJT is more tolerant now though, because as long as it's not sakura autist DJT doesn't really seem to care anymore because nothing is that bad compared to how insufferable he is.
The OP image doesn't matter. Let the person who gets the chance to post the thread decide. As long as it says Daily Japanese Thread on it and the first post has the required information in it, it doesn't matter.
>>139537730
>nothing is that bad compared to how insufferable he is.
This desu
>>139537699
korokeesyon
>>139537767
>Let the person who gets the chance to post the thread decide.
Only one person ever posts the thread.
>>139537767
Stop trying to butt in with your retarded opinion
You had your chance when we were actually arguing about it
We've already come to a conclusion that we'll use the default one so you can fuck off
>>139537797
I hope you don't actually think this.
>inb4 that's how it's supposed to be and has always been
>>139537797
Can you post this one then
Is niconico actually down or did they start blocking gaijin IPs?
I can't get my compelling content like this
>>139537862
its temporary, they have a partial english localization so it's not a permanent block
>>139537767
Great idea, batman.
>>139537835
Uhhh I mean.
1) Filename is always the same
2) >>139535609 gets posted less than a minute afterwards all the time
3) Notice the GIF posted last time, the "proud" imagine wasn't posted immediately showing that he was away at the time
4) He himself said he does it
5) When a regular isn't posting the thread, either 2-3 threads pop up at once or it takes like 5-20 minutes for a new thread to pop up as opposed to immediately (like now)
6) I myself posted hundreds of threads in a row (somewhere around 700-800) so I know it's something someone can easily do.
>>139537935
What?
You just said that only one person ever posts the thread.
>1490 threads already
>still not native level
What's your excuse?
>>139537977
Yeah. "Proud" guys been doing it for several hundred threads in a row.
>>139537977
Hey anon, extremely strong statements are not always literally correct.
>>139537988
I was only here from thread 800 something onward.
>>139538001
Ohhh, I see what he meant.
Yeah, even if someone posts the thread every time (he's here) there will be times when he's not here, creating small gaps. I thought that was obvious. If the poster is asleep its not like DJT waits 8 hours for him to wake up.
>>139538001
I don't know what you're trying to accomplish here with your misleading posts.
>>139538106
>you
>>139537999
I was doing it up until about a couple months ago. I still do it pretty often.
What do I do when Tae Kim introduces vocab that hasn't popped up in core anki yet?
>>139538432
Look it up in a dictionary?
>>139538432
Give up and accept that learning Japanese is literally impossible. Or just look at the vocab list at the top of the section / mouse over it / look it up with Rikai / look it up in a dictionary.
>>139538432
Mine it first and come back.
>>139538432
The vocab isn't important. Use Rikaisama to ignore it while focusing on grammar.
>>139538460
I mean should I learn them, or wait until they pop up and stick to my anki regimen? I've no problem doing the Tae Kim exercises.
>>139538618
Ah this is good to hear, thanks
>>139537611
>I don't want that to represent a thread I frequent
Retards like you need to fuck off back to shitdit.
>>139537659
ソウダネ
>>139538972
People keep thinking djt is their home.
>>139538994
>cant view something as a community without thinking of it as your home
Stop projecting.
>>139539053
Why else would he care about the OP image?
>>139539099
Probably some dumb shitkid who only goes to the evil 4chanz for djt and is scared of people seeing anime on the page.
>>139539099
Because it's that ugly? What kind of retarded question is that, it's totally normal not to want a general to have a shit OP image
>>139539159
>is scared of people seeing anime on the page.
Sakura dear, your image was shit and so are you.
>>139539099
>let's make the /djt/ image a picture of literal shit to prove we dont care!
Go for it anon
>>139539229
You have to be delusional. Might as well filter Anonymous. Then you wouldn't see any post and you could fuck off.
>>139539159
This >>139539245
I'm an /a/non and I think that image was fucking garbage. If you're going to put anime in the OP image at least make it look good enough that I won't want to throw up upon seeing it.
>>139539305
If you don't like a thread for any reason, you are free not to visit or post in it. No one gives a shit if you are gone. The world doesn't revolve around you.
>>139539357
Found the Sakura autist.
>>139539282
Just go make another /qa/ thread where you can cry about "anime haters" and stay there.
>>139539410
You don't have to reply with your boogeyman autism when you have nothing to say.
>>139539357
>If you don't like a thread for any reason, you are free not to visit or post in it.
Only the general fag should be this delusional. It's mind blowing that you can tell others the world doesn't revolve around them in the same post you tell them to stop visiting a thread when the OP image annoys them.
>>139539555
>It's mind blowing that you can tell others the world doesn't revolve around them in the same post you tell them to stop visiting a thread when the OP image annoys them.
What? I'm not the one complaining about what OP image is used.
>>139539357
I don't give a fuck what's in the OP dude, calm down. I'm just saying the image itself was garbage even in /a/ context and that's why almost everyone hated it so much. Your opinion is literally in the minority if you genuinely think that was a good, well made image.
wow you people are garbage, I'm going back to /int/
>>139539585
Yeah, you're the retard telling people either not to care or to leave when a single poster bothers them, great fucking mentality
>>139539624
This is what happens when Sakura poster starts throwing a fit and people actually indulge him and reply to him. Should go back to normal once either side fucks off and stops posting when they realize neither side will change their views regardless of how much arguing happens.
>>139539647
That's right, it's not your thread. Again, no one gives a shit about you and you are free to fuck off if you don't like it.
>>139537797
>Only one person ever posts the thread
False
I've actually posted the thread at least once .. but that was back before it became this cancerous (it hadn't been made even after ~6-7 hours, so I went ahead and posted it).
>>139537767
>The OP image doesn't matter. Let the person who gets the chance to post the thread decide. As long as it says Daily Japanese Thread on it and the first post has the required information in it, it doesn't matter.
True.
>>139539624
Next time just leave and don't post about it please.
The worst thing about reading a lot every day is the insane number of Anki reps that build up from acquiring a lot of vocabulary in a short time.
>tfw reading a book
>several chapters in, decide to look up an English translation
>turns out that I understood 95% of it
Feels good man.
>>139539879
Just build up a huge backlog of new words so you feel less terrible about yourself if you stop reading for a bit
>>139539624
じゃ..さよなら、アノンくん
>>139539879
They say the best thing is to not mine so many words. Hard to decide which ones not to mine though.
>>139539683
Same dude, I agree.
If you don't like one of the several hundred posters in the thread's active poster base you should just permanently leave the thread because it means the rest of the thread is immediately not worth visiting. (´・ω・`)
>>139540099
Luckily, unlike some, I'm not so petty that I have to cry when the OP image isn't "just right" for my little ledditurd heart, so I can overlook such a thing.
>>139540170
I didn't say anything about the OP image, you should probably calm down since you seem to care about the OP image way more than anyone else does.
>>139539683
You're so disconnected from the point it's hilarious. Do you want him to leave because of the sakura image when it's not even posted?
And where does your "stop talking and leave if you don't like it" attitude even come from? What the fuck do you mean with "it"? Your own tantrum?
People are saying there's a difference between not wanting /djt/ to have a bad OP image and viewing /djt/ as their home and they're right. stop telling people to either put up with your shit or leave, it doesn't get much more autistic.
>>139540302
why are you still replying?
too much anger in these threads
is there anki r34?
Has anyone found any decent Japanese streamers outside of Nico? I'm looking for the kinds of guys who stream 5+ hours a day, most days, and aren't playing moba trash.
Nico is just too shitty, and my only other alternative is watching TV which is pretty hit and miss.
>>139541129
>watching garbage
How about you open a book you uncultured swine?
>>139541178
>wahh why do people want to do listening practice
Fuck off, m8.
>>139541210
Just open an anime
>>139541210
>anime
>jdrama
>game shows
???
>>139541210
Watch anime
>>139541230
>>139541244
>>139541427
>>anime
The couple of shows worth watching each season don't really cover it.
>>jdrama
I've enjoyed 2 of the dozen or so I've tried watching, they're mostly painful.
>>game shows
Again, this is only a few hours a week.
I'd rather have something for background noise that will help with Japanese netspeak and vidya games.
>open up anime after doing nothing but reading for a long time, small amount of youtube videos as well
>understand the majority of what's being said
It may just be Pokemon but hell yes. Even just reading is really good for listening practice.
>>139541129
Nico isn't so bad. I don't try to find one person to watch I just type a game name into the bar. Well, I don't do it much but when I do thats what I do.
>>139541568
Just fuck off back to /v/.
>まさか先生に無理矢理着ぐるみおしつけて！！
>Hmm おしつけて ey I wonder what that is
>押し付けて
USE THE FUCKING KANJI YOU FUCKS
THEY'RE THERE FOR A REASON
I'M SICK OF NOT RECOGNISING N5 LEVEL VOCAB BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO WRITE IT IN KANA
>>139541129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBEsjNXDHNY
Here's a quality stream.
>>139541652
If you can't read a word in all kana, you don't know the word. Do more listening practice.
>>139541625
30 minute limits and 360p video quality are a joke.
>>139541656
I have infiltrated their ranks
>>139541694
でもぉぉ聞き取り練習するのがすごく面倒ぅ
>>139541656
>people actually watch this shit
>>139541652
You're an idiot, and ositukeru isn't N5-tier probably.
>>139541781
>ositukeru
>>139541772
>not wanting to enjoy a good long flight with your autistic jap bros
It's like you're a lame prick.
>>139541811
I type tsu as tu pretty often. IME shortctus.
>>139541843
It's all well and good for typing kana, should use the correct form in romaji though, not that it matters in any way other than me being pedantic
>>139541652
I never imagined it would be like this before I started learning Japanese, but kanji is a crutch for many common words, and knowing how to read and understand them without kanji spelling out their meaning for you is a skill.
>>139541769
Subscriptions: Bernie Sanders
>>139541879
>should use the correct form in romaji though
>implying Hepburn is "correct"
Kill yourself, faggot.
>>139541995
Dude makes good videos.
>>139541893
Yeah I really just need to do more listening practice, but my reading level is so much higher than my listening level that whenever I go to listen to something I just can't understand any of it and get discouraged because I feel like I've gone back to level 1
>>139541879
shi as si and tsu as tu is correct, but it's a different system of transliteration mainly used inside Japan (because it makes sense if you think in the 五十音 system)
>>139542008
Well it is the most sensical and widely used form
>>139541568
http://wilsonjj.me/jptv/#
>>139542090
Check out the production values on this stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0wp0kbBeJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5tAT6ciJ4s
Pretty good entertainment I'd say.
>>139542060
I use dostedt romanization exclusively.
>>139542162
What production values? It's just an old dude talking shit to an empty room.
>>139542371
Scenario, of course.
That's a nice thread you have here.
>>139542371
>>139542162
Still the best candidate America has, inb4 Trumpcucks
Red or blue?
Also, is learning more advanced grammar a bigger priority over learning more words when starting to read LNs? I feel like it is. You can just look up words you don't know but that's a little more difficult with grammar
>>139542748
Red
>>139542461
That's great, but check out my handwriting.
>>139542027
same here, cant bring myself to listening practice
>>139542748
red dude wtf
>>139542835
Are you trying to summon Satan?
>>139542835
Nice, I didn't think anyone would actually save that.
>>139542461
>>139542835
>>139542922
Fucking hell resize your photos before posting
>>139541656
>take a peek at his channel
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4HB_wX0eE8
>>139542976
Or better yet stop fucking posting them
>>139542835
It takes a special kind of weeb to forge poor writing.
>>139542976
Resizing's a pin though
>>139543031
>>139542922
I'd love to smash that keyboard, you know.
>>139543110
Is this the buyfag thread?
These are like the only things I've ever bought to help me learn Japanese thanks to the CoR
>>139543321
Kawaii ne
I use this to learn anime
If someone was traveling to Japan in 4 months with no prior knowledge in speaking / reading Japanese, what would be the most important to have them prioritize learning in the time before they go?
Personally I would say:
1) Numbers (for understanding the cash amount something costs when someone verbally says it to you)
2) Transit information (Words for bus, train, monorail, airport etc.)
3)Emergency info (hospital, police, pharmacy, hostel, phone)
4) Basic greetings / phrases
Im interesting in what other people think, so if you have an idea feel free to reply.
>>139543321
Japanese is great.
>>139542983
>花の野に咲くうたかたの
Did you read this? What'd you think of it? Anything particularly troublesome language-wise? What'd you like and dislike about it without spoilers?
>>139536671
Adults don't spend hours of their day loitering under bridges for the hopes of bumping into that one decent person passing through on a rare occasion.
>>139543581
Depends on if it's a short or long term stay.
>>139543581
Google Translate will be far better at Japanese than you. So just learn romaji for signs, then get used to typing things into google translate.
>>139537730
>the massive autist ruining DJT
Protip: you are part of the group of anons who flock to threads, turn them into generals and hence ruin them for good.
>>139543321
Is that the rapid-i? I don't recall the Quickfire TK having a case like that.
Also, how's the NNB manga? I'm running out of good shit with cute girls.
>>139543817
>I'm running out of good shit with cute girls.
You just aren't looking hard enough then. That's 90% of everything Japanese.
>>139543785
Fuck off Sakura, we've stopped talking about this already.
>>139543759
Four months are plenty of time to reach a level where you don't need to rely on google translate if you're just vacationing
>>139543581
I'm bad with remembering numbers in languages, it's a chunk of vocabulary that tends to be a lot more awkward to try to remember compared to more natural language, it does make you seem pretty dumb though when you don't know how to say a number, though Japanese is a little easier
I feel like my Anki workload has gotten to be too much for the time I have. Would it be a better idea to lower the amount of new card or set a limit for reviews each day?
>>139543785
Yeah and /a/ is ruined for good because a bunch of people who are interested in anime flock to it. Fucking boards, why do people go to certain places to discuss relevant topics?
>>139543965
Lower new cards
>>139543886
Potentially, but not realistically (as in what will probably happen). He'll sound like a retard, barely understand what people are saying, and end up referencing a phrase dictionary anyway.
>>139543817
It's the Quickfire TK.
I feel like the jokes are funnier in manga form. Also, the way atto draws hair is beautiful.
Time really flies. I was still a struggling beginner when I took that picture.
>>139543995
>He'll sound like a retard, barely understand what people are saying, and end up referencing a phrase dictionary anyway.
Still better than only using google translate though desu baka senpai
>>139543886
Unless you plan on continuing your studies after your vacation, I don't see the point in studying for 4 months to make your vacation slightly more comfortable just to drop the language after
Hey /djt/, I want to start learning Japanese. My Japanese girlfriend said that I should learn the Romanjis first. Is this the best way? My plan is to buy a few books and apps that help me learn them. How long should it take me? I learned 'A' last week, so with one Romanji a week it should take me about a year. Is that fast?
>>139543321
Fucking normie leave.
>>139537767
>As long as it says Daily Japanese Thread on it and the first post has the required information in it, it doesn't matter.
Why is it that every other general on the board aside from the scanlation one and the exhentai porn dump one doesn't need a set image or op text in order to attract the regular posters? Is this thread part of an elite group of retards who can't use the search function or something? Does learning Japanese come at the cost of other mental faculties?
>>139544054
yeah don't forget to buy a bitlaser
>>139544054
quality post, senpai
>>139543951
- How to order food in a restaurant / in a McD
- How adresses work in Japan
>>139544076
Stop trying to drag the topic back onto that. Nothing it going to come out of it and if you've been here for longer than a week you'd know that.
I've started doing Sou-Matome N3 this week, and on the second grammar lesson I get this.
I know that V+ておく means doing an action in preparation for something else. But the examples given do not (at least to me) convey that message. Is there another use to V+ておく that I do not know of, or (most likely), am I just being retarded?
>>139544076
>the first post has the required information in it
This way less new people ask retarded question and they have an easier time getting started
>As long as it says Daily Japanese Thread on it
More convenient and the scanlation and exhentai thread does it to. Literally no reason not to.
What are you getting so irritated by?
>>139539305
>I'm an /a/non
You're an /a/utist, not an /a/non.
>>139544009
Did you mail order that stuff or did you got to Akihabara?
If so, do you have any recommendations? I'll be going to Japan this summer.
Pic related seems to be the oldest I have.
Also, don't expect to ever find aftermarket keycaps for the TK. The TK/arrow key cluster is quite clever, but fuck that bottom row is beyond retarded. Even though the PCB would allow for a standard one.
>>139544188
Go away Sakurashit, you're not fooling anyone.
>>139544043
Hardly, a rough experience I had as a beginner is I'd try to write sentences, get corrected, and then see Google Translate was closer than I was.
>>139544179
If retards were led >>>/out/ instead of spoonfed constantly they wouldn't ask stupid questions so often.
If autists didn't cry when the op image changed it wouldn't attract so many general retards in the first place, since these people are too stupid to search the catalog.
>>139544384
>If retards were led >>>/out/ instead of spoonfed constantly they wouldn't ask stupid questions so often.
/djt/ has extremely few genuine retarded beginner questions compared to other generals, so clearly it's working.
And what's to say we can't avoid spoonfeeding while also having an informative OP for double the effect?
>since these people are too stupid to search the catalog.
Not having to search the catalog is just more convenient. If you prefer having to search for "/djt/" over just scrolling through the page please tell me why that is.
>>139544520
>If you prefer having to search for "/djt/" over just scrolling through the page please tell me why that is.
1. It's faster
2. I'm not a crying general autist who gets upset that muh general doesn't follow muh general template
>>139544602
Go away, stop trying to get DJT to be how you want it to be, the world doesn't revolve around you and kicking and screaming won't change that.
Hell, if you were to just shut the fuck up when the Sakura stuff was initially happening and you didn't try to fight for it so hard, DJT probably would've just gone back to normal and not given a shit if a different image was used every once in a while, but instead it's the same static image every single thread to avoid arguing and duplicate threads. You basically achieved the exact opposite of what you wanted, congratulations.
>>139544702
Why are you copying my earlier argument, as if it applies to me?
Projecting?
>>139544766
You don't come up with any original arguments, why should I?
>>139544602
It's only faster when it's near the bottom and unlike just scrolling through you need to reach to your keyboard, do you seriously expect me to stop resting my chin on my left hand?
>people find out what works best for the majority and do it instead of inferior options
>"fucking sheeple"
Fuck off, do you just want them to be different for the sake of being different? Give me one fucking reason why /djt/ shouldn't be on the OP image in large letters. You could still search it anyway.
>>139543994
I currently have two decks (2k/6k Core and a deck of mined cards) set to 10 new cards each day. The Core deck usually has just over 250 reviews and takes me just under two hours. I haven't done the other deck nearly as long so the number of reviews is still going up. Would bringing the Core deck down to 5 per day be too little?
>>139543592
I read it, all of it. No trouble with it language wise. It's basically a mystery VN which felt kind of bland to me I guess? Basically it's the type of story where the protagonist has a mysterious power and one day a mysterious girl or in this case, a ghost appears before him and they solve mysteries together. I think what I didn't like about it was that I didn't care too much about the cases they were solving because of how trifling they felt to me. It just felt like filler to me. What really carried the game for me were the heroines and the relationships between the characters. I really really liked Reina and Ouka and don't regret playing the game mostly for them. Also Kusuhara Yui voicing senpai in her Towa voice also kept my attention.
>>139544897
Hmm, alright. Thank you for your thoughts on it. I'll put it on my backlog for a rainy day.
>>139543981
/a/ has nothing to do with learning Japanese so I don't really understand your comparison.
>>139544152
It's more like in general preparation for the future. As in, if you wash that dish you'll be better off, generally, because for the future you'll have one more clean dish.
>>139544896
Try increasing review interval then, less than 10 would be pretty hopeless.
>>139545015
It's a thread centered around learning and discussing the Japanese language and you're wondering why Japanese learners gather here and frequent the thread.
>>139544139
I'll talk about what I want, faggot.
>>139544977
Reina reminded me of my imouto ;_;
>>139544702
>stop trying to get DJT to be how you want it to be
As opposed to trying to get DJT to be how you want it to be?
>>139544843
>Give me one fucking reason why /djt/ shouldn't be on the OP image in large letters
Do the ゆゆbros or aikatsu fags struggle to find their generals?
>>139544843
>Give me one fucking reason why /djt/ shouldn't be on the OP image in large letters. You could still search it anyway.
Retards like (You) who can't search would post less or not at all. Catering to retards attracts retards, who knew?
>>139545096
>It's a thread centered around learning and discussing the Japanese language
Why is it on /a/?
>you're wondering why Japanese learners gather here and frequent the thread
I'm not, nice strawman though.
>>139545227
>Do the ゆゆbros or aikatsu fags struggle to find their generals?
Stop avoiding the point, anon.
There is no reason to speak against additional convenience, the same goes for discouraging spoonfeeding while also having the guide in the OP (the point you conveniently ignored).
You're the only one annoyed by your so called "general fags", stop telling us to sacrifice convenience to make /djt/ fit your own taste.
>>139545052
That will make cards take longer to show back up, right? That seems like a bad idea for retention.
>>139545021
I get it. Thanks.
>>139545227
Don't try to shift it onto me, I don't give a fuck about what's in the OP as long as the link to the guide is there and I can search "DJT" to find it (or if the thread is easily identifiable enough that people who are interested in it can instantly see it and people who aren't interested in it can easily subconsciously skip over it like they do now), I just want Sakurafag to go away or stop fucking whining about everything since he's the root of most of DJT's recent problems. Even this argument right here is just prolonging the amount of time it'll take before DJT won't throw a fit over having different OP images. It just needs to be dropped and left alone so people can cool off.
>>139545305
>only people that are able to search 3 letters on a website qualify for this general!
Oh gee
>>139545400
You won't be able to lower your workload without sacrificing something I'm afraid.
>>139545385
>Stop avoiding the point, anon.
That is the point, anon.
>stop telling us to sacrifice convenience to make /djt/ fit your own taste.
Do you actually scroll through the catalog looking for the OP image in order to find the thread?
>>139545442
>I just want Sakurafag to go away or stop fucking whining about everything since he's the root of most of DJT's recent problems.
You're delusional, anon.
>>139545192
Did you fugg her?
>meta posting
Stop engaging this idiot, he'll happily argue with you for hours and hours if you let him.
>boogeymen
>>139545305
>Catering to retards attracts retards, who knew?
I love how you add such a smart ass statement to an absolutely retarded opinion. If having /djt/ on the image makes autists like you avoid the thread then that's just another reason to keep it tbhfam
>>139545539
>You're delusional, anon.
I'm not though. You'd have to be delusional not to realize all of the shit and problems he has stirred up recently. Even if you're not him, the only reason it's a problem in the first place is him pushing it so hard to the point that he pissed off almost the entire thread.
>>139545556
Thanks for the reminder. Going to stop responding.
>>139545621
わんわん
>>139545625
http://desustorage.org/a/search/image/fzf400o-hjycTAOU47UQyg/
>>139545670
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat
>>139545539
>Do you actually scroll through the catalog looking for the OP image in order to find the thread?
When it's in like the top 4 rows it's convenient, if it's not I use the search function
>That is the point, anon.
You say that in the same post in which you avoid the point:
Why should we give up additional convenience, anon?
Is it not to "stop generalfags from finding the thread", as in "to make it fit my own taste"?
>>139544064
Ｉ ｔｈｉｎｋ ｙｏｕ ｑｕｏｔｅｄ ｔｈｅ ｗｒｏｎｇ ｐｏｓｔ
>>139544195
Nah, I was visiting relatives in Hong Kong and chanced upon a Animate subsidiary so I just did all my shopping there.
As for the keyboard, I'm not really into mechanical keyboards or anything but I just bought it when I was building my PC about two years ago because I read that it was good for typing. When I turn on the backlights I can see lots of hair and dandruff underneath though which is fucking disgusting but I'm way too lazy to look for one of those key removers (and I can't find the one that supposedly comes with the keyboard).
For learning kanji, how important is it to know the stoke order??
I learnt it for the kana and to be honest it seemed like a waste of time, it's time I could spend learning vocab or other useful stuff.
>>139545901
do you plan on writing letters
no?
then don't bother.
>>139545901
It helps when you need to look up a new kanji with handwriting recognition. For example translate.google.com is very reliable if you get the stroke order right.
>>139545944
Please don't spread misinformation. Google translate works perfect even without stroke order. Only Jisho and other kanji searches really need stroke order to get the result you want.
>>139545901
It's not particularly important.
>>139545944
Google doesn't really give a fuck about the order, desu. Any kind of a mess will do.
>>139545544
Of course.
>>139545901
>I learnt it for the kana and to be honest it seemed like a waste of time
Don`t bother with kanji stroke order then. Only those who want a deeper understanding of the language want to write those things down.
>>139546006
It's not misinformation.
'if A then B' does not imply 'if not A then not B'.
It is without a doubt true that google is reliable with good stroke order. It may also be reliable without good stroke order.
>>139545052
Why would that be hopeless? Overall it's still 15 new cards per day.
>>139545780
>Why should we give up additional convenience, anon?
What convenience?
>>139544195
Is there some particular reason we're capturing our keyboards in our pictures with books and LN?
>tfw tried to read the books on the right
>failed
>reading the book on the left now
I'll get back to them later.... one day....
>>139546121
I have no idea how stroke order works but google translate has never failed me.
>>139546196
>Is there some particular reason we're capturing our keyboards in our pictures with books and LN?
Yes, because you are attention whores. Get a trip.
>>139546196
what's your little laptop thing on the left, its cute
>>139545670
You are the problem, retard. How many posts do you have written in this thread alone? I wonder how many people you've accused of being your shitty boogeyman.
>>139546189
the convenience ofbeing a bother to you
>>139546316
>he thinks nobody can tell
You should continue making a fool of yourself. It's really obvious, you know?
We should use trips for the rest of the thread to make Sakurafag angry.
Can someone make a chart for beginner LN akin to the VN one? Preferably one that excludes hyper popular stuff like Spice & Wolf, Haruhi etc. Alternatively just give me a text post reply with some of your favorites!
>>139546313
You mean on the right, right? It's an electronic dictionary.
>>139546383
Yeah, let's not
>>139546383
I don't know how trips work and I've been browsing this site for years.
>>139546196
I dunno, I took mine for a different thread but it's just the most up to date picture I have.
And it's fun to post it.
Why'd you go for the type heaven rather than the realforce?
>>139546383
Ｔｙｐｉｃａｌ ｇｅｎｅｒａｌｆａｇｓ．．．
>>139546415
sure do, how much did it run you?
>>139546383
butt
>>139546400
They're all Japanese, just choose one from your favorite LN-anime-adaption.
>>139544896
>The Core deck usually has just over 250 reviews and takes me just under two hours
That's like half a minute per card. You need to work on your speed.
>Would bringing the Core deck down to 5 per day be too little?
Yeah, you don't want to spend three years on core.
DJT#fucksakurafag
>>139546525
Not your personal army, gb2reddit
>>139546400
I doubt anyone reads any of the listed beginner VNs besides hanahira and FH. Similarly a list of beginner LNs would probably just include キノの旅 which I hear is pretty easy.
>excludes hyper popular stuff
The reason why they're hyper popular is because they have good writing or an interesting premise. I don't get why you're trying to avoid these.
IMO you should just jump in and start reading whatever LN you want regardless of difficulty especially if the bottleneck is going to be vocabulary. Consistent mining will make reading progressively easier and the compelling content will keep you reading longer and more consistently.
>>139546472
Assuming that you are asking how much that thing costed, it's not mine, I'm not the anon from the pic. But those things are expensive. Search for 電気辞書 on amazon and see for yourself.
>>139546669
thanks famalama
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KnyyDt7jimEz-dgeMSKymRaT2r3QKBPm9AzqZ6oUWAs/pub
>>139546196
Please tell me.
>>139546651
What's the general consensus on web novels? Do they generally have worse grammar/harder vocab than LNs because they're more amateurish?
>>139546669
>not your picture
>still have that file name
Shame.
>>139546651
>IMO you should just jump in and start reading whatever LN you want regardless of difficulty
I must disagree. Taking it to an extreme, I would very much like to read Bakemonogatari, but I know that it would be too difficult for me to learn anything from it.
I think that reading stuff that is slightly above your level, enough to take you from your comfort zone and learn without being overwhelmed. At least IMO.
>>139546795
I meant to say that I wasn't the one who posted that.
>>139546793
>pirate everything I ever read
You guys are making me feel pathetic.
>>139546651
Aren't there any "kamige" LN equivalents that aren't anime or does that not happen? I'm mostly looking for the high quality equivalents, e.g. Romeo Tanaka (but his style is pretty hard I've heard).
Is there any way in advance to quickly estimate the level of japanese reading ability required to play a game? Ideally a list or something ranking them.
I'd be interested in trying a few games to help learn reading, mostly probably RPGs.
>>139546874
Japanese books are dirt cheap and therefore i buy what i read.
>>139546795
Do you have any more of my pictures?
>>139546743
While qualia certainly isn't that difficult in terms of grammar and dialogue, the narrative text is written in quite a formal style and it's full of sci-fi vocab, half of which doesn't even have a proper dictionary definition.
I had the pleasure of translating the last few chapters of it. I'd certainly not recommend it to a beginner.
>>139547052
Yes, just try to read it.
>>139546839
Last December, I went from reading Nichijou to Bakemonogatari on a whim just to see how hard it really was. The vocabulary was really a lot easier than I thought, but the grammar just whooped my ass especially with the long sentences. I used kanjitomo excessively and made it through the entire Hitagi Crab before dropping it because it was too tiring. But I came away with more knowledge of grammar than before and reading all the monogatari books now seemed way more doable than before when I just assumed that it was ultra hard shit because everyone parroted that. Yes, it's hard, but reading it yourself and comprehending the lines lets you know exactly what your weaknesses are.
Of course you should give up if you know you're really not going to make any progress on something way above your level, but if you have to make that jump to harder material one day, why not do it sooner rather than later?
>>139546793
It's a shimakaze light novel
>>139547052
Just ask?
>>139547052
Just boot up the game and play it genius
>>139547097
>>139547143
>>139547187
These are too efficient. I'd be there all day loading ROMs of games that seemed mildly interesting only to find that they were beyond me, or making up half of a thread with posts saying "how about this one?"
i should probably have been clearer and just asked if a list exists.
>>139547123
Nah just the same artist.
>>139547264
How many games are you playing at once..? Just put 5 titles you're thinking of playing into a post and done. You're making this overly complicated yourself.
>>139547264
>I'd be there all day loading ROMs of games that seemed mildly interesting only to find that they were beyond me,
How bout being less of a pussy and just reading them anyway
>>139547264
yeah, take the name of the game, count the kanjitachis and the hiroganatachi and katanakanatachis into two groups. Then divide kanjitachi with horigana+kanatakana and multiple number with 1000 and you have approximate number of kanjitachi in the game. then multiply by 950 for estimate number of nippongo kotobas in the game. Don't forget to boot up wanikani and practice your かわいねこですね as a warmup before you go back to /v/.
>>139547417
What the fuck is kawaiinekodesune and why am i seeing it here so much
yeah fuck this i made a mistake asking questions. won't do it again.
sorry for shitting up your thread.
>>139546874
I don't. Embrace the poverty.
>>139547059
Dirt cheap? Where? It also depends on what you consider cheap.
>>139547107
Interesting point of view. I might give it a try, maybe with a Murakami novel.
>>139547599
At least your question got replies;_;
>>139547599
The content and quality of the question is the part that matters, not the act of asking the question in the first place. Giving a list of some examples or even just taking a screenshot of a list of stuff you're interested in would be a good start, because I don't think there's an actively managed resource for something like that unless it happens to be in the reading list with commentary. Just have to ask about the thing(s) in particular that you're interested in reading.
>>139547641
>Dirt cheap? Where?
honto.jp with SAL shipping, second hand from amazon.
And yes, it depends on what you consider cheap. It's still quite damn cheap though since all you really pay for is the shipping, the price of the manga is almost the same had you bought it in a store in Japan.
Supposedly, the answer is 起きないとと思ったのにまた寝ちゃった。
But why, though? I'm afraid I'm not understanding the sentence.
>>139548167
Not that guy but it seems like a nice opportunity to ask. Do any of you know the difficulty of the Legend of Heroes games? I was thinking of playing the main series in release order from LoH1 and 2 to the Gagharv Trilogy and then the Kiseki games. Still unsure whether I'll skip FC and SC since I already played them in English.
As a reference for where I'm at, I'm currently playing Nayuta no Kiseki (the action game spinoff set in an entirely different world) at a very slow pace cause I'm not all that fast with reading. I have to look up a lot of words and it's certainly a step up from Zwei!! which I played through previously. Still I'm able to mostly understand it which is good.
>>139549202
起きないと（いけない）と思ったのにまた寝ちゃった
>>139549202
I thought I had to wake up, but fell asleep again.
First you have 起きないと meaning "must", then a quotation と
Which light novel is worth importing from Nipponland?Is OREGAIRU a good choice?
>>139549404
Yep, no chance of you getting arrested with that one.
>>139549280
>>139549357
Oh, I get it. Thank you. The second と was throwing me off.
>>139549404
Don't they sell that shit in the US Amazon?
whats the best comedy oriented vn since daitoshokan
If I'm on the top floor of an eight story building but I can feel the floor shaking, am I going to die? Please respond.
>>139549824
Daijobu, everything is gonna be fire!
>>139549270
Going by >>139546743 it seems to be fairly challenging, but going by a post I found in the archive it doesn't seem too bad. If he's here he can probably comment on it, but I can't really help you beyond that.
>Legend of Heroes is a long ass series. The very first one is babby easy tier language wise and difficulty slowly goes up as you play through them in release order, the first 4 you can texthook to make it even easier.
>When Kiseki starts it becomes a bit more complex, but only in terms of vocabulary, nothing too fancy in terms of grammar, if you have a dictionary at your side you'll be fine.
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/136514869/#136536080
>>139549824
多分死ぬ
>>139549920
Glad to hear that the earlier ones are easier. Should give me a nice difficulty curve. By the time I finish the fifth one I'll no doubt be burnt out assuming I don't burn out before then so at that point I'll probably branch out into other genres.
>Recommended as first experience: Not really, unless you have a will of cold steel.
If that was written before Sen no Kisekei got localized then it's even more hilarious.
Dammit. I'm struggling with normal Nippon too, now I have come across some kansai-ben too.
Anybody know what ほうかほうか means?
>>139551280
>no context
great question bro
そうかそうか?
I haven't replied to my penpal in 3 weeks.
>>139551478
He'snot your pal any more.
>>139551280
放火放火
But really I don't know, sorry.
>>139551478
He's my penpal now.
>>139551759
Oi, I saw him first.
>>139551409
>>139551748
Character getting up. From 'tomorrow' on is clear.
ほうかほうか
明日もきっと忙しゆうなる思うし
睡眠時間は多いえ方かえぇよ？
>>139551793
Yeah, and I'll see him last.
>>139551838
pretty sure that ain't kansai but I hope you realize that the sentence BEFORE that is what is important to confirm that it is indeed そうかそうか
Not that you need to post it since you're the one who needs to confirm it not me
Why are you still learning Japanese when you could be playing your chuuni VNs on steam and talking about your progress with your friends?
>>139552013
>but I hope you realize that the sentence BEFORE that is what is important to confirm that it is indeed そうかそうか
>大丈夫もう寝るわ？
Oh fuck me.
>>139552167
Go back to /vn/ we don't need your kind here
A lot of it's still white but this is a dick I can be proud of. Finally part of the Elite 3,000k club
>>139551647
Oh well, easy come easy go I suppose.
>>139552167
>steam
>reading translations
My anki deck is telling me that "お酒は大人になってから"
Translates to "You can drink alcohol when you're an adult."
Can someone give a more literal translation?
I understand the words/components of the original sentence but I dont see how they fit together to give that meaning
>>139552508
"Because the sake has become an adult"
>>139552508
"As for alcohol, after becoming an adult" would probably be the literal meaning.
>>139552479
おぉ見事だね
おめでとう
有りがとうございます
>>139548167
>The content and quality of the question is the part that matters, not the act of asking the question in the first place. Giving a list of some examples or even just taking a screenshot of a list of stuff you're interested in would be a good start
That would imply some "work" on his part. Completely unacceptable.
>>139552479
Congrats you're one step away from the highest power level where youstop giving a shit
>>139552862
I'll never stop giving a shit about numbers and stats.
お礼わ２本ん
>>139552862
can confirm, i stopped giving a fuck about anki after i got to about 3400 kanji
I feel like I learn more from just reading alone than from keeping track of flashcards. Am I doing something wrong?
>>139552889
It's a lot easier to care about them when they are still going up regularly.
>>139552935
Prove it
Is Japanese the worst language in existence?
>>139552943
No, anki is highly overrated for early learners. It's much more important for rarer vocabulary/kanji and for stuff that you keep forgetting.
>>139553020
I hit 2800 many many months ago, its hardly been going up at a notable speed.
Even if I hit 3500 kanji and never see another one, my attention would shift from kanji and attach onto other stats.
>>139553045
unfortunately this was like 2 years ago and i've long since deleted my anki decks so i have no proof
>>139553123
Liar jamal is a liar
>>139553115
>adding more than 10 anki cards a month
>not a notable speed
>see people with RTK blasting through Core with 95%+ retention rate
>I usually only mine words I think I'll have issues with remembering (new kanji, fucky/new readings, meaning or reading being something completely different from what I thought it was going to be, etc.), so my young cards never go above an 85-87% average even with RTK
>thought doing so would result in adding new words less often, but still have no issue finding 40 new words a day
How many VNs before this settles down? Or will it not as long as I keep stepping into new settings/difficulty levels?
>>139549488
Sou matome is a pretty good series. They filled the exercises with nuances just like that specifically designed to trip baka gaijin up.
>>139553462
It doesn't. I'm like you pal I only mined words that trip me up. Therefore, no matter how many I read to completion I alway struggle with anki.
im sorry i wasnt able to be here to provide assistance to this thread when it needed it the most
fill in blank correctly
自閉症 、 djtにカキコします
１ は持っていることではなく
２ がありますので
３ をぶっ飛ばすために
４ になりたいから
５ と同じくらい
自分の作った答えは認めません
きっとダサいんだろうなあ
>>139553169
thats not me ive never used a flash card since multiplication tables when i was a baby
>>139552676
Fuck off.
>>139552709
This.
>>139553462
Never trust /djt/'s cherrypicked and exaggerated statistics, just focus on yourself and keep at it.
I love you /djt/.
I want to suck your dick while you do your reps.
>>139553617
>game so good
>ami is too terrifying to read it
>>139553699
But "Because the sake has become an adult" is right
>>139553719
Please be in london
>>139553617
>>139553840
>interesting in reading it
>hear it's hard overall (long sentences, wide range of subjects, obscure/high vocab, etc.) and I'm still a moege babby
>havent finish my deck in 1 month
>600
just kill me senpai
>>139554087
looks like a pretty average game to me bro
>>139553840
I admit I had my guard up against her at first but I just couldn't say no to this smile.
>>139554087
I may have painted a more extreme image than I intended, it's not so hard as to be intimidating I think.
>>139554290
Is it something I could probably read now if I'm reading moege without much issue? Or should I wait until after I've read a lot plot-based VN like the Leyline (which supposedly gets gradually more difficult as the series goes on since the first is mostly setup from what I've heard) or Eustia?
>mine over 100 words from playing a game 10 minutes and reading two web pages
やっぱ無理
>>139553077
The first and last one don't make sense. They'd both need 赤くて, not 赤い.
>>139554489
Stop being a fucking pussy dude just read what you want it's not like it's Muramasa
>>139554675
You're straight wrong sorry
>>139554489
Give it a try and see. Its a step up form average moege in difficulty for sure but it's not a big deal probably.
>開けゴマ
>>139554183
She doesn't look like she would take an no as an answer.
>>139554925
She would convince you to agree, before you even realized she had asked a yes or no question.
藉
First kanji I found that doesn't have any stories on koohii.
>>139554675
What, why?
>>139554183
牛女もう会ったよ
ちちのうちに吐き出してやるぞ
The only VNs that get posted here are ones that are so boring the person reading them would rather tab out to post on DJT than just read the VN. Hence you should only read VNs that are never posted here.
>>139554965
I'm certainly fine with that.Time to download that.
>>139555418
More like everyone reads random less popular shit because they've convinced themselves they shouldn't touch anything that's actually good until they've read 500 VNs
>>139555751
Semirasu no Tenbin is pretty popular what are you talking about?
>>139555795
>Semirasu no Tenbin is pretty popular
What makes you think that besides that a couple people in DJT played it?
>40 votes total,
>>139555899
EGS score
>>139555899
It's a caramel box game. By default that makes it popular, since Caramel Box is a popular developer. It's certainly not obscure by any measure, except the measure of an EOP with no knowledge of the industry (which is understandable).
I wish mods would do their fucking jobs and moderate. VNs fucking well belong on /jp/. Just how much do you people want to see how far you can push this thread off the relevance of /a/? There is an entire fucking board you can use for discussing visual novels, fuck off there.
>>139556039
Go away crossboarder. VNs got discussed on /a/ all the time.
>>139556039
How can someone learning Jap unironically hate VNs? It's like the #1 reason to start learning. This is pretty hilarious.
>>139556039
But /jp/ belongs on the trash.
>>139556039
Yeah and discussions about sports anime should fuck off to /sp/ once they start talking about the sport the anime is based on, right?
VNs aren't the only thing discussed in /djt/, fuck off.
>>139555972
Popularity != Quality
>>139556004
>By default that makes it popular, since Caramel Box is a popular developer.
I think you have a very strange idea of what "popular" means.
Compare to actual popular developers like August, Nitro+, Leaf, Hibiki Works, Akabei-soft+derivatives
>>139535670
俺のチンコでぞい子のマンコをいじめたい
>>139556039
Fuck off
>>139556211
Did you not witness the storm Last Cavalier brought?
Obviously August and co are MORE popular but that doesn't mean Caramel Box isn't popular. As an analogy, that'd be like saying Platinum Games isn't popular because Nintendo, Microsoft Studios, exist exist.
>>139556211
>EGS score
>popularity
Try again.
>>139556039
Oh look who's back.
>>139556328
You might have brain problems anon. That's precisely the opposite of what I was saying. EGS score is not a measure of popularity, it is a measure of how much people liked it.
>>139556310
>Did you not witness the storm Last Cavalier brought?
No, but obviously I don't pay too much attention to them. My main reason for thinking they aren't that popular is because they don't have a single game that gets recommended or talked about a lot. Maybe they just have a smaller but more consistent fanbase like Liarsoft
>>139556140
>It's like the #1 reason to start learning.
Really, faggot?
People who learn Japanese for VNs, LNs and/or doujinshi is equivalent to someone wanting to learn English to read shitty fanfic.
It's hilarious how people try to convince themselves that they're reading something worthwhile when they post babby's first kanji "joke" screenshots and act as if it's the pinnacle of entertainment.
If you have no interest in actual literature or culture then I feel sad for you, wasting years of your life on chuuni shit.
At least there are some anime and manga that aren't translated worth reading and watching.
>>139556572
嫌よ嫌よも好きのうち
>>139556641
Kill yourself weeb nigger.
I can't believe this has swerved into an argument about whether or not the game is popular.
>>139556641
Kill yourself weeb.
>>139556727
u showd him
>>139556641
>anime that aren't translated
These..exist?
>>139556727
>>139556767
>on /a/
>in DJT
>calling anyone weeb
>>>/jp/
>>>/r/anime
Pick one.
Do any of you translate Japanese works as a hobby? Which boards have frequent translation requests aside from the occasional request on /r/?
>>139556641
>interest in actual literature or culture
>>139556824
/vn/ on /vg/
But I doubt you're good enough.
>>139556824
exhentai
>>139556807
actual underage spotted
>>139556807
Yeah, someone once asked me to subtitle this because it hasnt been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK8cFjWd58g
Also plenty of anime subs are so inaccurate it's not even worth considering as being subbed
Why would you want to read anything on a computer screen though?
>>139556980
I don't follow.
>>139556980
i literally cant read things that arent on a computer screen
physical media is fucking gay
>>139556980
>I read books
I was under the impression that most people here were learning for VNs and LNs. Is that not true?
http://strawpoll.me/7271852
Strawpoll, so it doesn't mean shit since some people likely won't answer honestly, but just curious.
>>139557198
theres no option for not learning - just pulling weebs and chilling
>>139556727
>/a/
>/djt/
>calling others weeb
>>139557345
>he doesn't know what weeb means
>>139557198
I think I speak for everyone here when I say that we are learning Japanese for their literature and culture, I do not engage in the low-brow entertainment enjoyed by plebeians such as animu/mango/ln/vn/vidya, and hopefully nobody else here does.
>>139557198
>/a/non
>crossboarder
fucking shit poll, didn't even vote tbqbhwy
>>139557377
Hang yourself you mega weeb.
>>139537767
Why does everyone always whore for being op. Someone will post it stop spamming.
http://loopthetube.com/#oLKjfeCZKN4&start=71.893&end=73.568
at this entire thread
Someone have that German ball learning Japanese pic with MonoBeno?
Just a reminder that the new guide will be closed for editing in a week or two, so please take a look and leave a comment if you think there's anything really important to be changed ((apart from the section on learning vocab/kanji, I've marked that for further editing since it's still somewhat biased) though I'm also glad if you have some suggestion regarding that).
Of course the feedback forms and emails will still be looked at and responded to.
Happy learning.
>>139557198
>mfw I'm the only crossboarder
>>139557198
Where's the "all of the above" option?
>>139557642
What is your own MonoBeno /djt/? The thing that keeps you going every day?
>>139557694
>primary motivation
>pick the one you lean towards the most
i dont understand anki
>>139557642
If I was German this would be me. I will not rest until I can comfortably read and enjoy ものべの
>>139557756
to be the very best that noone ever was
Is there anything more comfy than doing your reps on your bed with your phone?
>>139557756
Monobeno is my Monobeno.
>>139557756
I read my primary motivation awhile ago.
Now I just focus on trying to get to Muramasa level.
>>139557841
Yes. Being fluent.
>>139557756
I don't even know anymore. I think I hit a slump where watching Japanese tv, reading LNs and Anki isn't interesting anymore. but I don't want to take a break because I know I won't get back to it.
I guess for now, I tell myself this is all good to know for when I visit Japan, if I even want to go anymore.
>>139557756
Nothing anymore. I can read everything I want to read, I can watch all the anime I want to watch, I can speak Japanese. All that's left if going to Japan.
My only issue that I still have is vocab. Explaining the political system of my country to a Japanese guy in Japanese is a fucking pain.
Guess I'll learn Hebrew once I've been to Japan.
>>139557841
slappin djt bitches in the face with my 出来dick
>>139557616
It's still missing the WK tutorial that we told you to add weeks ago.
Guys what's a 突撃レポーター
>>139557198
My main motivation is Manga + LNs, where is my choice?
>>139557756
My backlog in general. Plus the fact that I can go "hey, that looks interesting, I'll put it on my backlog / start reading it right now" instead of "I hope this gets a half-decent translation however many years down the line".
I'm interested in a lot of the memehard ones like Dies irae, KKK, Muramasa etc, but there's a lot of others I'm interested in enough to keep me motivated.
A lot of the ones I'm interested in outside of those are probably in reach now, like Angel Beats, White Album 2, Leyline trilogy, Eustia, etc, but I'm a bit worried about screwing some of them up and Angel Beats is mostly just intimidating because of the number of choices and endings since I usually prefer 100%-ing stuff to get the full experience and not sure what order would be the best since sometimes side endings / bad endings increase your appreciation of the good ends.
There's also stuff I'm interested in re-reading in Japanese like Grisaia, MLA, Saya no Uta, etc and stuff that isn't out yet like the Tsukihime remake.
>>139558055
some fuck head paparazzi tryin to get up in your shit while youre takin a shit at dairy queen
>>139558048
I made my position clear on that.
I'll gladly repost it if you missed it or want to read it again.
>>139558048
>Step 1: Don't use WK.
>>139558082
>>139557917
What LNs? I've got a solid VN backlog but nothing for LNs, what are some good ones?
さくらのくにからおはようおにいちゃん
>>139558107
Ah ty
>>139558082
Whichever one you learn towards more, even if it's only barely. If most of the LNs you're interested in are ones that have anime adaptations then I guess go for the anime/manga option.
The point of the poll was more to show that being an /a/non doesn't necessarily mean your motivation will be strictly /a/ related.
>>139558177
いもうとなんかくそくらえ
>>139558175
I've only been readingKamen RiderLNs because I don't have a strong interest in cute little girls doing cute little girl things
How do I get a Japanese girlfriend?
>>139558048
>we
>>139558345
The hell? You're weird. Don't respond to me again.
>>139558177
前はそっけない態度でひどいこと言ったけど
素直に俺の依頼に応えたのか
感動したぞ
>>139558096
>I'm a bit worried about screwing some of them up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meM4JXePP8A
>>139557756
Baldr Sky and some dayMuramasa
>>139558411
関心しねーよお前のこともいもうとのことも
>>139558175
I mainly read gay stuff so it's probably not your speed, sorry.
>>139558113
I'm your boss, you'll do as I say.
>>139558389
We the People.
>>139558586
>Baldr Sky
Read it for around 5 hours and got bored with it. Not sure why people like it so much
>>139558360
Same procedure as getting a non-japanese one.
>>139558730
I just know that nips consider Baldr Sky, Muv Luv, and Muramasa as the 3 kamige mecha VN so I want to read all of them.
>>139558678
I'm sorry to tell you anon, but my boss is my ideals.
>>139558811
How do I get a non-Japanese girlfriend, then?
Anyone read Re:Zero? How is it? Airing this season
>>139557756
I've always been a fan of LN adaptations, so I'd like to be able to read them. Originally stuff like Shakugan no Shana and Zero no Tsukaima, but recently I added Rakudai Kishi and Grimgar. I'm worried that once I get to the level where I can read them that I will be disappointed. I rarely read anything in English so I think enjoying the anime has probably raised my expectations too high. People always complain that anime adaptations are worse than the manga/LN, but I think I am the kind of person who will always prefer anime more than a book.
>>139557198
Forgot the option for Ledditurd who only visits the 4chins for the friendly WaniKani thread.
>>139558730
>Not sure why people like it so much
Maybe you should try reading for more than 5 hours
how do i write a small つ or ツ
>>139558848
walk up to women and shove your balls in there face
>>139559001
L before them
>>139559001
ltu
>>139558900
You might get disappointed because your choices are just plain bad. Look for something with a good writer, e.g. SaeKano.
>>139558900
>Zero no Tsukaima
you got issues
>>139559001
I'm sure there is a legit way to do it, but I usually just do a "tt backspace".
>>139559093
>Jyumonji a bad writer
やった
>>139559087
>>139559090
thank you
>>139558844
Don't become a Shirou. He doesn't even get laid in the newer releases.
>青
>blue
>青
>green
J U S T
>>139559093
Even the anime adaptation of that was boring. I'm more interested in fantasy than a bunch of high school geniuses writing an erogame.
>>139559095
How can anyone not love Louise?
>>139559001
>>139559163
yatta
>>139559111
のいうとーり、ちいさい「つ」は後に続く子音を二回だよちいさい「や・ゆ・よ」は前の子音
にyがつけたりするよ
>しゃっくり
>syakkuri
>>139559357
>limiting yourself to brainmasturbatory genre fiction instead of seeking out good prose
You're doomed to fail.
>>139558973
Why do VNtards always argue that you have to spend hours being bored to get to the "good part" of a poorly written piece of trash? They all follow the same pattern of a ridiculously long introduction full of bad exposition, before the part that people praise, which is usually shitty tweests and "emotional" scenes. How about you try reading a book instead? Maybe you'll realize that you don't have to force yourself then.
>>139559310
Wait how does this read in Japanese?
蓝
>>139559181
I still didn't watch anything from the Fate series, but I don't think I'll be turning into a 2D character anytime soon, aside from which, the human body is easy enough to satisfy. It's your mind that you should be worried about nourishing, bodily pleasure will come to you when the time is right.
Also
>getting laid
You have funny ideas about the people here.
>>139559460
>he's here again
>>139559465
インジゴ
>>139559428
You do know that people can read both?
>>139559460
99.99% of vns are only interesting to those who cant read them
>>139559590
True that, the magic disappears swiftly
>reading when you're a beginner
hahahaahhahaha
Which kanji did you learn today? I learned: 痼 綽 鑽 兇
>>139559508
>I still didn't watch anything from the Fate series
You're missing out big time, dude.
>>139559843
you say you learned them but all you did is list them
can you use all of them all in one sentence?
>>139559889
Yeah man, a porn game turned into an anime for its story. Hold up.
>頤
http://jisho.org/search/%E5%85%89%20%23kanji
>N3
Isn't this taught, like, in N5? N4, at most.
>>139559996
You're stupid senpai, porn is just a bonus in the game.
>>139559996
It'd be right up his alley.
>>139559310
They're clearly different
>>139559892
余裕綽々と研鑽したかったのに兇悪な痼疾が妨げられた。
>>139559889
Yeah, I've been recommended fate already by my casual friend as well as not-so-casual friend, I've just not gotten around to watching it, and now I've reached the point at which I can comfortably understand anime, but unknown/uncommon vocab (that any plot-based anime is full of) trips me up and I don't want to rewind everything multiple times.
I also don't want to watch things with subtitles even though I could pick up on the nuances since I find the whole ordeal that is translating Japanese into English a disgrace to the language that I would rather stay away from as much as possible.
And I also see myself drifting away from Japanese as of late. I probably won't be here in another half a year.
>>139560099
N4 only requires ~300 kanji. 光 is the 527th most common, according to that.
>>139560170
Nice blog dude! Too bad this isn't your blog!
>>139559460
The only reason you have to read hours to get to the good part of Baldr Sky is because your Japanese isn't good enough to read at a normal pace
>>139560189
So, in JLPT levels, kanji levels are usually by the order of the most common? I've been learning by the school levels, mind you.
>>139560304
My apologies for engaging in a conversation.
>>139560336
Thank you for apologizing. :)
>>139560332
Oh I don't know exactly how the JLPT assorts the kanji, sorry. But given the N4 only includes 300 of them there are plenty of basic kanji that won't have made it in yet.
>>139560170
>I find the whole ordeal that is translating Japanese into English a disgrace to the language
You see, this kind of thinking is what drags men down. Where would we be now if the Jesuits had just said 'fuck it' and sailed home centuries ago?
That said, the VN is better anyway.
>>139559889
if youre gonna watch fate anything just watch f/z because all the adapts suck ass
>>139560144
good shit dude thats the shit i do like 付き合ってくれてありがと
>>139560530
sorry dude but the people doing translations arent exactly a+ writers so thats what drags the whole thing down
>>139560408
Thanks for the answer.
>>139560170
>And I also see myself drifting away from Japanese as of late. I probably won't be here in another half a year.
Been there, done that. I'm back. I felt an urge to learn Japanese again when I noticed how much I'd forgotten. I knew 1000 kanji, could more or less read manga, but now I'm struggling. I feel stupid, but that gives me motivation.
I'm currently watching the raw ofBoku no Hero Academia, with JP subtitles, and 3 minutes in I've been scribbling my notebook with vocabulary that I had never known or that I forgot how to write.
When I do the 2k/6k deck in the anki pastebin ,should I be memorizing the reading of the kanji as well as the meaning, or just the meaning?
For example for 月, should I know that it means moon, or that it means moon and is がつ before I press good?
>>139560530
>even
I'd like to see some statistics on the prevalance of this word in J-E translations versus native text.
>>139560170
don't fucking watch the anime, play the VN
>>139560713
learning just vocab is fine
Can I get some meme VNs from here?
>>139560713
If you try to remember both the first time you will be overwhelmed, just go through it once with meaning and then again for pronunciation. If that is still too hard you can do one pass with just recognizing the character, if you remember seeing it just press good or hard.
>>139560809
Boku no Hanahira.
>>139560713
You should know the reading of the words, each specific Kanji isn't necessary.
But seeing 自転車 and knowing it means bike but not how it's pronounced is bad. If that makes sense.
>>139560809
陵辱相姦図
>>139560713
Both. Do RTK if you want to learn only the meaning of kanji first. Ignore this troll >>139560883
>>139560530
>>139560744
I'm not opposed to the craft of translating, nor am I opposed to translated media.
It's just that I, as someone who has done translation work from Japanese to English and has written a paper on the topic, have come to the conclusion that any kind of translation is ultimately a failure, not because there's something wrong with translation, but simply because it is technically impossible for a translation to properly convey the same information that is contained in one language to another. As such, even though I myself fail at comprehending large amounts of the information that I am given, I'd rather wallow in my own failure than that of someone else.
And I'm not much of a VN person. I'd rather sit on a bench or lay in my bed in order to read something.
>>139560690
Thanks for the motivating words. My journey that is Japanese is not over yet as I've still got a trip to the promised land ahead of me, but as I know myself my fascinations and hobbies tend to come in periods of a few years and then get replaced by something else, which is what I'm currently observing already. Hopefully I'll feel stupid too again.
>>139560973
then don't bother with Fate at all, the anime butchered it. but I recommend sitting down and reading the VN sometime
>>139560973
all i got for you is this honestly >>139557567
>>139561028
Upset that your epic tricks got exposed? Nobody trolls on my watch and gets away with it, kid.
>>139561059
That's fine, while my opinions on my ideals are certainly biased, I'll take being obsessed with them as a compliment.
>>139561094
Thank you my friend, I am glad to see we can live in a friendly and troll-free environment here at 4chan.org. Let us adopt tripcodes in order to converse more conveniently!
>>139560973
>I've still got a trip to the promised land ahead of me
I'm actually going there this year. It's another one of my motivations. To push myself in order to be at least minimally fluent at the language, especially if I'm not going alone and have to guide my friends.
>>139560713
I'm getting deja vu.
>>139561248
>>139560915
>>139560883
okay so whats the actual fucking answer senpaitachi? Should I click again if I can't speak the word?
>>139560713
>5 replies
>no one addresses がつ = moon
sasuga
>>139561225
more like embarrass yourself in front of your friends being a huge weeb
i bet youd call out お前 to some dude on the street and get dumpstered while your friends watch on in horror
>>139561381
Yes.
>>139561225
Make sure you don't lose your cool and start stuttering tadaima or some shit when the friendly policeman walks up to you for some small talk.
>>139561381
If you remember the pronunciation when you turn the card (like, remember learning it) then you can press good, I use this method and eventually I can remember it on my own with no extra effort.
>>139561170
I've said it before but you are the cutest chuuni on /a/
>>139561406
さすがつ
>>139561406
Of course you should know what the word actually is, rather than just memorising what some wonky symbol "means" in English.
>>139557756
I needed a hobby, learning Japanese makes me seem productive while being fun and not wasting time on vidya, and there is a very slight chance it might lead to some sort of career path, at the end of the day knowing three languages looks good on a resume
and of course being able to read jap media is pretty nice too
>>139561452
>if you can remember it after reading it you're good
>>139561225
When are you going?
Send me an email (at the bottom of the guide) if you're going in July and have any interest in meeting another person from DJT.
I don't think I could take going with friends who don't know Japanese, or at least not on my first time. I'm not good at babysitting grown ups.
Enjoy your trip, I'm already excited as fuck for mine.
>>139561462
Thanks senpai, y- you too.
>>139561523
Hah, someone actually saved that image.
>>139561523
People think you're learning japanese for cute Russian girls?
>>139561518
but theres so many things it could be its probably better if i just ignore any readings and just remember it in english that way i can at least know what things probably are later
>>139561523
>what people think I'm learning Japanese for
>posts russian girl
>>139561593
>>139561574
9gag still thinks shes a hafu, stay triggered
>>139561523
Why would you need to know japanese to stick your dick in an onahole?
>>139561593
I'm learning Japanese for a Russian girl.
>>139561585
>its probably better if i just ignore any readings
Sure, go for it, my lad.
>tfw NEET with no money
>will never visit the promised land
>>139561422
That's the plan.
>>139561445
That would be funny.
>>139561573
I'm going in August. I actually scheduled the trip this week on a whim. I remembered that I wanted to go to Japan, and at 1am I booked the flight. Only on the next day it really sunk.
I'm trying to gather friends because I think it can be more fun (and safe) to have company.
Okay I have a problem
I had my computer on japan time when I started studying for a game that required it, and my phone on correct time. I fixed my time on my computer and now it won't let me sync down to my PC beacuse it says the time is wrong. Is there anything I can do or do I have to have my PC on japan time to use anki anytime I sync? I'm pretty sure it was causing me problems because it thought I was a day ahead when I went to my PC.
>>139561825
>tfw enough money but no one to go with
I'm too socially inept to go to another foreign country without somebody there with me.
>>139561836
I wish I had friends...
>>139561836
>That would be funny.
Not when he drags you back to the special jail for foreigners that's full of angry Russian drug dealers.
>>139561523
Oh god that fucking futa doll. I must have it.
>>139561806
There is a Russian girl I have pictures of saved on my PC. I would learn Japanese for her, she's a weeb too.
Too bad that she's 7-8 years older now than when the pictures were taken, and 25+ is too old for my taste.
It's a difficult thing to have a crush on someone's past self. It's like loving the shadow of a person.
>>139561894
There are plenty of people already there though?
>>139561894
What about excursions? They're not your friends, but they're company. Much like prostitutes, you're paying for the company.
>>139561894
>>139561899
>>139561974
Jesus Christ /a/
>>139561884
nvm fixed it ;)
>>139561836
Guess you'll be missing me by just a few days then, I fly back on the 30th of July.
I've considered taking a friend or two along, but I don't think I'd want to travel there with them for the first time. I plan to spend unpredictable amounts of time in bookstores looking at manga and doing all kinds of things that are only half as, if even remotely interesting, for someone who doesn't know any Japanese.
I feel like I'd have to accommodate for others, which I don't really want to do on my first time there, and secondly I won't have any idea what I'm doing two thirds of the time and having someone with me who has even less of an idea what they're doing wouldn't help.
I wonder if I'll ever make a friend who'd be willing to travel to Japan with me, maybe I could hit up one of my gook or chink friends who moved back to their countries
>>139562053
leave
>>139561438
Alright, Ill do this then. How long does it take you guys to learn a card if you force yourself to remember pronunciation as well?
helped me so i thought i post it
http://nihonshock.com/2010/04/12-japanese-ime-tips/
>>139562098
are you going alone and dont know anyone in japan?
thats fucking weird
>>139560915
ji ten shi
>>139561894
>socially inept
I know this feel. Pay for my trip and we can go together andsit in a hotel room shitposting on the Japanese thread on /int/ with Japanese flags;_;
>>139562146
nice dude thanks for sharing
>>139562175
maybe if you're autistic, travelling by yourself is some of the richest experience you'll be able to find in life
>>139561981
What is this from
>>139562175
Traveling on your own is pretty common nowadays
What's the point of these threads? Do you nancies need to literally be babysat through learning a language? fucking Christ.
>>139562098
Still haven't thought of that. But I'm not planning to make it too much otaku-centered, more of a cultural trip. But of course I'm planning to hit the bookstores and no friend in the world can stop me.
>>139562130
It depends on the card? Some seem easy but I end up forgetting them, others seem complex, but because they are complex, you immediately memorize them.
>>139562175
So?
>>139562098
>and secondly I won't have any idea what I'm doing two thirds of the time
Just go hang around in one of these cafes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGfFv1GwOCc
>>139562175
I actually know two people in Japan, one guy via email and the other one is currently doing an exchange year in my country, though he'll be back before I come there.
Though I plan to stay at youth hostels and guest houses, so I'm fairly sure I'll at least meet some people. I don't have much trouble with talking to strangers, it's just that I don't want someone attached to me at almost all times.
>>139562257
https://vndb.org/v15658
>>139562294
Don't forget to insult /ic/'s beginner thread while you're at it
>>139562076
I have doubts that you're the same poster, but if you are, how did you fix it?
I'm mainly learning Japanese so I can talk to my Tulpa in her native language. It's working nice, but I got worried a bit. Since I have no outside feedback and I spend a few hours every day talking to her, what if I cement in some bad grammar mistakes? With that much output I'm doing, it would be easy to keep doing a mistake so much that it will be hard to undo. The effect is even amplified since my Tulpa uses my subconscious to talk to me, which is of course dependent in my Japanese knowledge. But every mistake I would do she would also repeat, and my brain would perceive it as actual input, which would weigh even more in solidifying my mistakes. How do people normally solve this problem?
>>139562382
If you need people holding your hand at all times to advance then you're never gonna make it.
>>139562146
It's missing the most important thing: press F7 after typing to switch the previous input to katakana without the bullshit of switching modes.
>>139562359
Thanks
>>139562460
What part of /djt/ gave you the impression people are getting their hand held all the way? Genuinely wondering
>>139562461
thank you, f6 and f8 also seem to do some stuff
so much to learn
>>139562441
>How do people normally solve this problem?
Usually jumping off a tall building solves this problem
