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Oh fuck off Okada, fuck off.
>>139290188
lol
>>139290188
Not her fault Sunrise cucked her.
>>139290188
This show was my biggest disappointment last year.
>>139290235
Would you be suprised if you found out its getting a second season?
>people watch subs this unreadable
>>139290674
It's: FROM NOW ON
Even I, as a non-native, can fucking tell you this.
>yfw G-Reco killcount is higher than IBO's
Worst Gundam since AGE, and only barely.
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>>139290188
>that speech
>no one died
This makes AZ look well written. Oh look Mika's eye got fucked too.
>>139290930
as expected from Kill-em-all Tomino
>>139290930
>Megafauna guys killed in Reco: zero
>Isaribi guys killed in IBO: two
IBO wins.
>>139290223
>lol
Kill yourself.
>>139291683
lots of mobile worker mooks got killed.
>>139293226
>>Megafauna guys killed in Reco: zero
Cahil.
Also lots of dead on the Amerian side and Towasanga. Barara's killcount alone is higher than IBO's.
>being that one plebeian who sincerely enjoyed IBO
>constantly reading hate threads
>what is my life coming to
>>139294311
>Cahil
That's cheating, that's before Bellri joined the ship. The point was 'deaths from the main character's group'.
>>139294918
>The point was 'deaths from the main character's group'.
It never was >>139290930
>>139294893
I liked it a lot too, people screeching about how bad it is and how I have shit taste for liking it only reaffirmed my opinions.
>azee-nee taking a blow to the head didn't turn her stupid in the head
>Guts won't once again step up and be the man who takes care of the waifu until she recovers
ONE JOB
>>139294954
Mine (>>139293226) was. What I was trying to say is that killing bad guys and destroying fleets isn't impressive. Bad guys die all the time, is a given. Now the main character losing their comrades, that's more impressive.
By the time G-Reco ended there was no sense of danger because Bellri and his friends always got away scott free. Not that IBO is much better here, but at least killed two characters.
>>139295416
>What I was trying to say is that killing bad guys and destroying fleets isn't impressive
Aside Cumpa, most of the dead characters weren't bad.
>By the time G-Reco ended there was no sense of danger because Bellri and his friends always got away scott free.
It is not like IBO has ever had any tension. The only dead characters were the ones with "dead man walking" written on their heads. And people called their deaths from the very beginning.
At least G-Reco had impressive parts like the episode with Yggdrasil or the reentry, where a ship blows up just like it was nothing. Most of the dead characters during those parts might be nameless, but at least people died. And a lot of them.
I can't say the same for IBO, which used fake deaths to hype an useless rival who accomplished nothing and where apparently being soaked in blood just means less than a bit of a headache.
>but at least killed two characters.
Let's not forget the ones that did NOT kill for reasons. Like the blonde guy smashed by the hammer.
>>139294893
Then maybe you should take a look outside 4chan.
Plenty of love in other places.
MIKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>139295717
>used fake deaths
What's really appalling about all this is that those characters were perfectly irrelevant. Two whore and one dumbass.
>>139296867
The appalling part is how they got off with no serious injuries whatsoever. Some bandages and a few days rest and they're walking around good as new.
Ein managed to cause less damage to Tekkadan than the Brewers. Which is a joke considering how hard he was built up.
>>139297505
>Ein managed to cause less damage to Tekkadan than the Brewers
>>139296867
Two of the three Turbines pilots and the guy who is qualified enough to fill in as boss are "perfectly irrelevant?"
>>139297505
Ein couldn't get shit done by design, why can't people see that?
He spent the entire series on a mad quest to kill a bunch of children to take revenge for his mentor's death, eventually going insane because of it, and the irony is that the reality of Crank's actions and his death made literally everything Ein did not only meaningless, but explicitly opposed to the lessons Crank tried to teach him.
>>139297584
Did those characters ever bring anything to the plot that a device couldn't? They're probably less than devices actually, just background noise.
>>139297726
Ein was just a shitty device.
>>139290188
Slowpoke much?
>>139295717
>fake deaths
There were no fake deaths in IBO, those who died are still dead.
Your fault for thinking the 3 curbstomps of ep24 were death scenes.
> ITT: people who spent a week arguing about how those ambiguous scenes were totes 100% kills being buttmad about being proven wrong
> MUH MECHA NECK PARALLELISM
> MUH FLESH AND BONES BEING SHREDDED NOISES
please come back after you've seen at least 2 shows in your life ok
>>139297726
>Ein couldn't get shit done by design, why can't people see that?
>HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SHIT!
>>139297505
Ein caused more damage by losing to Mika than when he actually did some of the stomping.
>>139298028
What is really sad about Ein is that Okada can't write shit, Ein learns nothing, he's just that static angry fuck that keeps ranting about killing children, accomplishes nothing and is taken out like some random grunts only to be forgotten the next second. Japan can't write actual characters anymore, they simply delude themselves into believing that combining a design, name and seiyuu together is enough for that.
>>139294893
I enjoyed it too, opinions presented on 4chan tend to be pretty extreme, especially when it comes to expressing one's dislike for something.
>>139298028
He is though.
He didn't learn anything, he didn't listen to anyone, he was just self destructive in his single minded quest for revenge. The kids turning into Ein is what Merribit was so afraid of.
Who the fuck cares when literal perfection starts this Sunday?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VsItczD6qI
>inb4 dubbed
Can't find new trailer subbed.
>>139298442
>literal perfection
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>>139298442
>Brave Beats got canceled for Unicorn reruns
I'm mad.
>>139290188
To top it off now there are people going HURRR It was so obvious! you're just a retard for falling for it! only after the fact that it was revealed they were alive, I mean there was a lot of debate about one or two maybe surviving but no one actually expected anything this stupid to happen
can you imagine if gaelio doesnt live after the bullshit they pulled
>>139298442
>Those shit character designs
>Those shit mech
>that shit music
>Gay ass beam light show
>CG
>UC
>Reheated UC rehash that was shit to begin with to be exact
nah i'll stick to IBO thanks
>>139299537
>no one actually expected anything this stupid to happen
People did actually. i remember one guy in particular saying that IBO didn't do subtle deaths or something.
Also the poll that was posted 2-3 days before ep 25 had eveyone living in first place (tied with 2 other options iirc, nobody fucking voted on that poll)
Having doubts about those 3's well being (especially Azee since she redecorated her cockpit's interiors with liters of head blood) was reasonable, being absolutely certain they were dead was retarded, calling for bullshit that they survived is even worse.
>>139299669
>>139299194
I knew that /a/ had shit taste, but you guys take it to a whole new level.
>>139299829
>Unicorn
>literal perfection
Even Kyoanifags are not as bad as you.
>>139294310
Lots of grunts died in AZ
>>139294310
One is not "lots"
>>139298009
I wanted to believe the death scenes were legit because I had too high expectations of this show and didn't think they'd stoop down to AZ levels.
>>139300388
>death scenes
Except they were not.
>>139300580
Yeah, just like the death scenes at the end of season one of AZ weren't death scenes, right?
>>139300388
>AZ was my first anime
>>139300580
so ein and gaelio are alive right because they were just as vague
>>139300682
I still cannot understand how people fell for those.
Them killing off autist-kun and going for a different MC on s2 would've been the unexpected thing, not him surviving.
>>139300831
Would you have preferred if I compared it to SEED or Cross Ange instead?
>>139300893
Yes, they are alive, confirmed by the official chart.
>>139298410
>>139298191
And people for some reason think that killing a bunch of named characters would improve him? No scratch that, these morons are actively asking to be fed with shock value. Killing people off just because they "can", whilst not even giving any plot contribution, or justice to everyone else's character development is just a wasted death IMO. Especially a death of a character who is much more valuable than Ein.
But let's suppose the characters really died, what then? How will this push Mika or Organs characters in any meaningful way? What about the rift between the Turbines and Tekkadan this would cause? How to deal with any of this in the span of a single episode? It's like despite of all the carnage in ep 24 people still treat death lightly and would gladly accept more of it even if it at this point in the story it would have contributed literally nothing.
Finally, I think it thematically fits a lot better that, in the end, Ein and Gali accomplished nothing, as both of them were corruptible and driven by revenge.
>>139300893
>implying they aren't alive
Oh, boy, I want to see your face when Gaelio comes back with a Mr. Bushido mask.
>>139300954
I'd prefer you would apply for a permaban, tripshit.
>>139300979
>as both of them were corruptible and driven by revenge.
As opposed to Tekkadan which is fighting under the false pretense to avenge Biscuit? So much for narrative coherency.
>>139297731
>just background noise
To you, because apparently not giving a fuck is your only argument.
>>139300958
>biscuit is alive again
Yus fatties can survive anything
>>139298009
Lafter is the worst one because there actually were flesh and bones being shredded noises and no amount of greentexting will make it acceptable. She should at least be missing a limb or something.
>>139300979
People aren't annoyed because he didn't kill anyone. People are annoyed because they've shown him killing a bunch of people, and then in the next episode pussied out and showed all those characters miraculously surviving. If you're going to show a character dying, don't be a bitch and actually kill that character. Otherwise, what was the fucking point?
>>139301119
>Tekkadan which is fighting under the false pretense to avenge Biscuit
that was just against Carta, and even then mr perfect took his time to assert that it wasn't really for revenge.
>>139301205
>what was the fucking point?
BUY THE FUCKING TOY BEFORE FINDING OUT HE IS JUST A JOBBER!
>>139301161
>>139300388
At least in SEED/AZ it was main characters.
>>139301180
>there actually were flesh and bones being shredded noises
Sounded to me like the sound of blood hitting the monitors, honestly.
>>139301205
>they've shown him killing a bunch of people
oh look, a tripfag being retarded
>>139300958
>crank is alive again
Hallelujah
>>139301119
No, there is a world of difference between Ein's revenge and Tekkadan's "revenge." In Tekkadan's case it was less about being vengeful and more about being absolutely committed to their mission if they are to have a place they can return to, it was a mean to an end. For Ein it was the entire purpose, he just wanted to spill some blood to satisfy his thrist for revenge under the pretence of "honour."
And in case you missed it, Tekkadan got their shit pushed in quite hard so they got to know the full extent of that committment.
I think the "revenge is bad" message got conveyed sufficiently. Although in Tekkadan's case the moral dilemma was more about if kids should sacrifice themselves like this for the sake of the mission, not if the mission itself is morally just.
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>>139290188
>Your face when Carta legitimately killed more IBO's than Ein, the suped up mega death cyborg weapon ever did
>>139301531
Seriously, Ein had monologues about the moral loopholes in the murder of children.
>>139301180
>being this delusional
Have you even watched the whole series? Have you seen pilots die while being crushed in their cockpits before? It looks like you wanted to see blood and carnage so much you projected your own image over a VERY vague scene in the show itself. God I'm so glad gore mongers like you got BTFO.
>>139301240
Does that even matter? Carta was a joke beforehand when her suit sold out.
>>139301240
Pretty sure grazein went on sale after ep25, but im not sure.
>>139302219
It goes on sale in April.
Who the hell buy gunpla because they like the character that operated the mobile suit? You buy a gunpla because you think it looks cool as heck.
Why are people obsessed over Okada when it was clearly stated that those taking all the decisions were Nagai and Bandai ?
>>139302465
Hating Okada is the cool thing to do so people will blame her for everything even if its something she has no control over. Same thing that happens with Urobuchi.
>>139302465
I love how everytime she's involved with a trash show it's never her fault.
>>139302667
Some retards even blamed her for the character designs.
>>139302465
We bully her becausewe want to fuck her but we are tsunderes.
>>139302713
Just like Urobuchi you mean
>>139290188
I'm not even mad, my boys survived.
MARS PRIDE
SYSTEM WIDE
GAS GJALLARHORN NOW
>>139290930
needs "IT'S HAPPENING" caption
So many retards want Shino dead. A guy who's responsible for pushing character development of literally everyone around him. It's like you want this show to be shit. Bitching about uninvolved cast while demanding decent characters who feel integral and involved to be removed, the apex form of retardation.
>>139303204
>IBO
>character development
And the show was already shit so this changes nothing.
>>139290930
Chica captain was so hot, yet her death was so stupid
Sasuga baldman
>>139302465
Maybe because she's related to Toshio Okada, the man who bashed G-reco for being an incomprehensible mess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU0FFHRF1mytLDhs6nxqGIQg&v=pUfoABgld2g
>>139303447
Hi, /m/!
>>139303989
>the man who bashed G-reco for being an incomprehensible mess
Pretty sure most people did that.
>>139303447
I don't know what to reply to you, it's like I'm talking with a frothing hater. If you can't commit a tiniest bit of attention toward character interaction in the show then maybe you should move on. Some of us are still planning to watch S2, and the cast becoming even more hollow is not in our interest.
>>139304273
Hi, /a/!
>>139304297
Japan is also /a/?
>>139303447
go back to your own board /m/ and let your butthurt spew free
>>139290188
Stay mad, faggot.
For ultimate justice Shino better paint Ein's graze pink.
>>139298164
This is kind of fun, Mika ended up suffering more damage after his win against Ein than the Guys Ein defeated, heck maybe they should have suffer a little more dame it was not necessary to kill them, almost anything could be healed with the magical bath anyway
>>139305591
>get back at Ein
>have sex with Yamagi inside Ryusei Go
>have sex with Yamagi inside Graze Ein
>paint Graze Ein in rainbow
>>139306844
>inside Graze Ein
Ew, with Ein's mangled remains still inside? Do they both finish on him?
Orga I am already a demon
I actually liked this asspull since he lost his left arm and eye and needs the gundam to use them now.
>>139309219
He will end up just like Ein.
>>139309739
So he will be like Kamille unless he is in Barbatos? Or will they also cut his limbs and turn him in a dreadnought
>>139309219
Barbabatos was supposed to be a nice guy.
>>139304278
I doubt the cast could get more hollow than they already are with the loss of a few irrelevant characters who contribute absolutely nothing nor have any depth.
>>139309739
>>139309890
Guys Guys
He lost an arm and eye and is part of a PMC
>>139309951
Keep parroting that, retard.
>>139290188
The part that bothered me the most was McGillis going full Sasuke.
>hurr friendship, trust, love. Such weak emotions are no match for my anger
>>139303204
But the show is already shit. Bait and switch "deaths" get shat on all the time, why should IBO be exempt?
All that happened was some mooks dying in the final battles. It has zero impact and this is a full 25 episodes already. It's not even edgy to want people to die, because the show tries to make the audience care about a bunch of faceless characters dying all the while.
>>139299669
>>139299829
>>139299884
>Those shit mechs
You were right on everything else but nigga I will fight you
>>139310153
Go back to Gaia.
>>139310153
All he's done was say exposition most of the time so they must have done a rush job on characterization.
So with all this hate on this show.
Is it bad I liked the Gunpla?
>>139310300
The single objectively good part of it was that delicious waistline on Barbatos. Mhmm.
It's because McGillis is the one who will destroy Britannia, and he won't let some childhood friend stand in his way. He's no homo.
>>139310246
>Go back to Gaia.
Did you just wake up from a coma? Haven't heard that in years.
>>139303204
So the reason why a person was sperging out in this thread and defending the godawful fake deaths is because she's a fujo happy they retconned her husbando's death?
>>139310265
It was cringe-worthy and I called it. "muh unwavering childhood resolve" seems to be the case
>>139310606
It seriously took you this long to realize only fujos like fujobait: the character?
>>139310606
This shit makes you wonder what would have happened if Wing aired when /m/ and the internet was around.
>>139310606
Fucking retard, Shino was confirmed alive in episode 24. The sluts' fate was ambiguous, but not Shino.
>>139310606
>retconned
>shown alive in ep 24
>>139310687
Not unlike waifufags sperging out about Carta.
>>139303204
>A guy who's responsible for pushing character development of literally everyone around him
Are you baiting or delusional?
>It's like you want this show to be shit.
Right because his 1 minute of screen time, total, every 3 episodes improved anything.
>demanding decent characters who feel integral and involved to be removed,
Shino, Azee, and Lafter don't fit this.
You could have just said "muh gay pairing" and you'd have come off more rational.
>>139310689
Shit was glorious. Whole BBS forums of Relena-bashing, "best terrorist teenager", everyone-loves-Tallgeese, why-does-Duo-sound-like-half-the-cast-of-ReBoot, mixed with actual shock that there was a Gundam series being dubbed into English to be aired on actual television despite Tomino having sworn he'd never allow it. It also spawned a legion of mainstreamed shippers that began the uncontrollable tsunami we have today.
>>139310936
Fujoshits on tumblr till this day still talk about Wing.
Hell toonami fags in general love Wing makes you wonder since apparently Adult Swim is making new FLCL and they might be crazy enough to make a Frozen Teardrop
>>139311061
No one wants Frozen Teardrop animated. As long as it remains in the realm of print, it's just some guy's fanfic. The 2x1 shippers would pull an Operation Meteor just to prevent Relena from winning as canon.
>>139303989
It's true though, G-Reco IS an incomprehensible mess. At least IBO makes sense about 85% of the time.
>>139311506
It's not good sense, but it's sense.
>>139311506
and has more gunpla G-Reco barely got kits
So Carta is the Gjallarhorn mvp
>>139290188
you mad bro?
For a Sunrise mid-season finale it was boring as shit and played far too safe. Tekkadan got their victory with no real losses. Not even so much as an ambiguous death. No cliffhanger. All existing plot threads tied up enough to leave no room for speculation. No teaser for what to expect in S2 either.
Basically the only thing up in the air to speculate is what the fat man faction is scheming. And they're irrelevant enough that it could be literally anything or absolutely nothing.
>>139311913
I hope they go back to Mars and find it embroiled in a vicious civil war, effectively making them homeless.
>>139311913
Some speculate to seasons 2s time skip going back in time to the Calamity War
>>139310801
Who the hell remembers the fate of every single irrelevant grunt character?
>>139311970
Why would they, there is another Calamity War on the horizon. According to the fat old men the economic bocs have decided to build up their own military forces since they no longer trust Gjallarhorn, Makanai hired Tekkadan as their military advisor, and Mars is about to turn into a corporation battleground over half metals..
>>139310898
>motivates Eugene and helps him gain confidence before the landing mission, constantly backing him up
>gets Akihiro to open up and softens him to a point where the latter starts to get attached and keeps following him around on the train ride
>humanizes Mika on several occasions when the latter tries to comfort him
>is one of a few characters with somewhat of a character arc with long lasting effects
Shino's presence makes other characters act more like people, and he feels like a more central friend and "clay" of the group than Orga. I'm not saying he's some great character, or that his character development wasn't squandered. But for IBO's standards he's one of the best Tekkadan has whether you give a shit about him or not. It'd be retarded to take him out for the sake of "muh drama."
The girls got to live by extention, which is perfectly fine by me. Using the girls to pad out Ein's kill count would piss me off even more.
>>139312188
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBN127GfwBg
He fucked bitches
ALL THAT MATTERS
>>139312129
Why are you complaining then, retard. Do the world a favor and kill yourself, tripcancer.
>>139312129
I remember Carta.
>>139312188
>motivates Eugene and helps him gain confidence before the landing mission, constantly backing him up
literally just the standard buddy character
>>gets Akihiro to open up and softens him
That was Orga
>humanizes Mika on several occasions when the latter tries to comfort him
Already done by Kudelia
>>is one of a few characters with somewhat of a character arc with long lasting effects
Yea that 1 minute of him depressed over the guys who died on his command, collecting deathflags, and later deciding he wanted a mobile suit to do more to protect Tekkadan wasn't filler tier.
>>139312321
As it's been stated before, it's bullshit when they show a character dying and then pussy out and make the character miraculously survive. It doesn't matter who the character in question is. People aren't actively hating on your husbando. If the character that died and was brought back to life was someone who is actually likable and/or relevant like e.g. Mika or Orga, the reactions would have been the same.
Christ It's like a /m/ thread over here
I wanted Shino alive but I hate Shino/Yamagi and think it's the most boring dynamic in the series. I feel conflicted since i think that's the only reason they kept him alive.
>>139312678
When you dedicate a board to one genre your bound to find flaws in it
>>139312678
What, because people don't love your garbage show?
>>139312410
>literally just the standard buddy character
Doesn't mean it's easy to replace one to the same effect when one character is already rooted in the cast and story.
>That was Orga
Orga and Shino, except Shino got the better results.
>Yea that 1 minute of him depressed over the guys who died on his command, collecting deathflags, and later deciding he wanted a mobile suit to do more to protect Tekkadan wasn't filler tier.
Kek, go ahead and trvalize everything. That's still better than what Eugene, Akihiro or even Biscuit have gotten.
>>139312188
Eh, no point in arguing with them. Everything you say they will be able to dumb down into the bare basics, put in green text, and just dismiss with "that was nothing," "that was barely anything," and so on. These threads are absolutely retarded, and they're already dumbing down Mcgillis' explanation throughout the entire series (and his constant, tiring exposition) of why he did what he did. They couldn't even read Merribit's character correctly, understand that Gjallarhorn and the politics the world built were believable, or understand why Tekkadan weren't "evil." They won't call something character development unless Shino was literally a main character focused on in tons of arcs, rather than being a steady supporting character which is what he's supposed to be.
>>139312598
Mika or Orga as likable? My sides.
>>139312776
Found the retard.
>>139312785
Akihiro has gotten way more screentime and development than your fujobait.
>>139312789
Oh hey it's the fedora guy with his fanfics again who can't explain why we're "wrong" but we're wrong nonetheless because he said so.
Can we just agree that Kudelia's development was the best and most important?
>>139312881
Bro, I love Akihiro more than Shino and Akihiro's development was pulled out of nowhere at breakneck speed, then shoved away and barely mentioned again. He was pushed aside after and his motivations didn't even really change or get affected the way they would if finding his brother was literally his life goal.
Akihiro, Shino, Biscuit, and Eugene (but less him) all got some development. It wasn't a lot, and with some it was sloppy or for cheap reasons such as in Biscuit's case, but it was all there. People can argue it was well-written or not enough or whatever, but it was there. Still, aside from Biscuit, the other three were constantly shoved into a non-presence in many scenes that they should not have been in, so their development was not done justice thanks to Kudelia screentime.
>>139312947
>That's my secret, Gaelio. I'm always angry
>>139312881
Why do you have to be so biased against Shino just because he has some irrelevant homo side plot which he isn't even aware of?
>We didnt see this fight
>>139300958
>Carta back in action
As expected of the true protagonist.
>>139312947
Dude, I hated the show. But the threads consistently missed shit that was laid out very clearly for the viewer, to the point where yeah, I am certain you guys are retarded.
The poor dialogue screencap you just posted doesn't make that his entire motivation, moron. It is his emotional defense to wavering from a goal that he believes in. This is a basic human emotion that entwines with ideals, with the state of observing shitty things around you, that can strengthen your resolve. This is literally a real thing that people have, but I guess if you put "MUH" before something, of course you can make it look however you want. The guy lays out boring, tired exposition constantly about how Gjallarhorn is corrupt, what he thinks is wrong with it, and why he doesn't believe in sitting around for it to make gradual reforms from the inside. So he's also bitter deep down and angry, and that prevents him from being swayed by one of his best friends being on the side that he has to take down. The end. This literally is simple, has parallels in real life, and you're retarded.
>>139313132
Why do you have to be so biased towards Shino just because he has some irrelevant homo side plot which he isn't even aware of?
>>139312947
Do you seriously believe that they wrote and animated ep 24 with all three of them dead, and then changed their minds and "revived" them for ep 25? Because it just shows you might be a bit slow.
>>139313239
I'd like Shino more if I understood his dull interactions with Yamagi. I figured they were going to build to a boring death scene where Yamagi, who none of us care about outside of shippers, would get sad, and that would make us sad, so I never got attached. Would have had more impact if he died and it didn't affect a character that has no defining relationships outside of him or motivations outside of him, and it affected all of Tekkadan instead.
But then he didn't even die, and now I'm going to be stuck with more scenes of "Shino smiles friendly at Yamagi and thanks him, Yamagi looks shocked like a retard and in love, then quietly watches him, it is a deep love."
I think that's the issue with this whole series, I'm supposed to care about a bunch of really poorly written bonds like this or Mika and Kudelia, or supposed to think Orga and Mika are bro tier rather than really unhealthy for each other and in dire need of a breakup.
>>139301161
>not the graze with ein hair, crying from its lense
One task.
![[HorribleSubs] Mobile Suit Gundam - Iron-Blooded Orphans - 25 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.07_[2016.03.30_00.06.06].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sJdhMt0.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Mobile Suit Gundam - Iron-Blooded Orphans - 25 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.07_[2016.03.30_00.06.06].jpg")
>>139313222
literally fanfic tier.
He's a horribly written muh childhood revenge plot character. But I'm glad I was right about you, be sure to tip on your way out.
>>139313153
>implying they could've animated it
>>139313363
You talk like an embarrassing sperg. "MUH," "fanfic tier" "FEDORA" we get it, you can throw around buzzwords and fun 4chan memes that we all know and it can make you look right in your eyes, for some unfathomable reason.
>>139313406
What do I have to explain to you about this, slow-kun?
>>139312947
>>139313363
Watch out you are letting your hypocrisy show
>>139313356
>a character that has no defining relationships outside of him or motivations outside of him
The fuck I'm reading. Yamagi is a glorified background character, but he has an established friendship with Takaki and Ride and then you have his relationship with the black mechanic guy.Also he's a hardworking guy who cares a lot about his job, most of his scenes are related to his job or his friends, not Shino. Pretending that he's just "muh Shino" is stupid.
>>139313486
>Oh fuck somebody is not agreeing with my headcanon bordering on a rewrite. Better divert the conversation to save face while claiming the intellectual upper ground.
>>139313356
As a fujo I couldn't agree with this more. Shino and Yamagi are a snooze fest and I'd rather see more interactions between characters that actually have dynamic interactions. Even Atra and Kudelia are more fun to watch than Shino and Yamagi.
I'm glad they're throwing rotten girls a bone, but why does it have to be so dry?
>>139302442
You shut your whore mouth. All can be achieved if you put your mind to it.
Behold.
>>139313589
That is what he is. Just because he's interacted with Ride and Takaki and Nadi doesn't really mean much. Those interactions are surface ones that fill in his role as a mechanic and that's about it. He doesn't have any meaningful interaction with any of them. It is all revolved around Shino. And hey, that's fine, he's given a role that shittily-written women are usually given, so I guess it's equal opportunity.
>hes a hardworking guy who cares a lot about his job
Wait, who in Tekkadan isn't and doesn't absolutely bust their ass? The "younger generation" of named, more important mechanics are literally never shown to be doing anything but taking orders, working on shit, delivering shit, looking after the smallest children, and so on.
Still don't care about him or Shino.
>>139313363
This is some low quality bait.
>>139313638
>while claiming the intellectual upper ground.
He's doing that pretty successfully.
>>139313638
The conversation isn't being diverted. The subject is that you're retarded, so we're pretty on topic.
>>139313714
This is bullshit man. His interactions with Shino aren't deeper than his friendship with the kids, you're just reducing him to "muh Shino" when he is not. All his interactions and relationships are simple and surface because that's what he is, a background character..
>samefagging this hard
sad
>>139313907
Bro I'm not even fujo and can prove to you that his interactions with Shino eclipse others. Yamagi's interactions with Ride and Takaki consist of him telling them to stop fighting at dinner, and to push Ride to try and try the fish with a little banter at lunch on Earth. Nadi and him fill in some idle conversation, and you can tell he's a surrogate Father to him and the other boys, so that could be foundation for something ...but nothing else is explored.
Now, most of his interactions with Shino have meaning because they are, in the end, what his character is about. Shino's acknowledgment of him in that hand holding scene and the open way he's affectionate, Shino thanking him after the funeral, Yamagi getting jealous at his mentions of women, Yamagi wishing him good luck, Shino looking out for him on Port 2, and then episode 25. How the fuck can you sincerely argue that those interactions aren't deeper than his friendships with the kids?
>>139313907
And because of that Shino's character has to suffer because the show is trying to push the one-sided romance and make it somehow relevant. The fact is most of the viewers don't care about this relationship because we haven't seen them interact in a way that proves they're close.
In a show with a large cast, you have to be precise with what you dedicate your screen time to. Shino may be a main character, but he has limited screen time as it is, so dividing it amongst his actual close friends and some kid who has a crush on him serves to disengage the audience.
Yamagi finding him post-almost-death had no impact because we don't care about them. It would have been a better scene if one of his friends had been there, like Akihiro or Eugene.
>>139300893
Ein being alive is a possibility.
Gaelio on the other is 100% dead and gone.
>>139314021
You're making a good point and I'm not even sure what's being argued about here. Shouldn't we all agree that Yamagi is a background character whose only motivations consist of lusting after Shino's big dick?
>>139314108
You're being so sure about stuff again, only to decry another ruse.
>>139310606
No shit. The twitter images should have been a clue.
These characters have nothing going for them but doujin bait. Biscuit probably wasn't cutting it so he had to go.
>>139314049
>Shino may be a main character
>>139314049
I don't think these people understand that though. Like, Yamagi's crush can be cute on Shino, and can obviously stay because it serves whatever same thing Feldt had for Lockon, it's just a shy person admiring and liking someone who is a big brother to everyone. Sure. But don't make so many of Shino's scenes be about this as it disengages the viewer. What was the point of him getting injured like that...? To worry Yamagi? And yet we get only a still shot of Akihiro's battle with tons of mooks, where he had to hold off multiple guys without backup in order to back up his friends.
Sure, I can think that's sweet on a shallow level, but it's not enough to grab anything more than a niche audience, which is why so many people cared more about Lafter and Azee than Shino, or just as equally, when they've barely gotten screentime or development compared to him. Yamagi doesn't really have much going for him outside of that Shino crush, which like I said, is how girls are often written in Gundam. That doesn't mean that Yamagi can't be something more, but for now, that's all he is. And it's already repetitive in s1.
>>139299669
>shit mech
Faggot detected
>>139312947
This line is Divine Gate tier.
>>139314134
We can agree on that. Just agree that that's a legitimate reason for a lot of people to be disengaged with him, and as a result, disengaged from Shino a bit when that's focused on. I'm not saying you shouldn't like it, different strokes.
>only characters that should have actually survived IBO
>Merribit
>Atra
>Biscuit
>The entirety of the Turbines
prove me wrong; you can't
>>139314356
Orga should have been the only survivor so he could live the rest of his life in shame for not thinking of the children.
>>139313012
Every single thing about it felt forced and badly paced. If you like Kudelia for anything but her body I can't understand it. Her voice is a bit grating.
>>139314356
What about Cookie and Cracker?
>>139313012
No, we cannot.
>>139314570
They were never in danger so I didn't include them.
Orga really pissed me off towards the end. He doesn't seem fit to be a leader.
You should have stopped expecting good charaterization from IBO when Fedora McHarem decided to make Orga his little brother just cause.
>>139314356
Biscuit shouldn't have gone with them to begin with, his circumstances weren't like theirs. Atra signed up for the ride and bought the ticket, she should have died screaming in fire. Merribit should have died by circumstance as a sacrificial lamb given over by Turbines to Tekkandan's doomed cause. The Turbines themselves should have had to sit out and watch Gjallarhorn's awesome might snuff Tekkadan out mercilessly while Kudelia filmed the whole thing and kicked off a civil war when the video of faceless armed men gunning down children and crushing their malnourished bodies under the heels of their pretty baby-blue mobile suits hit the open airwaves, thoughtfully transmitted by McGillis in order to isolate Gjallarhorn entirely. S2 would be the ride of the new Tekkadan, backed by Arbrau, escalating the war against Gjallarhorn in both space and on Earth while every power in existence with a stake in who comes out on top scrambles to get their hands on as many Gundam frames as they can before their rivals and enemies do, while more and more science is devoted to increasing A-V tech and keeping the edge in battlefield lethality, Ein having been only the first of his kind.
>>139314765
McGillis wants revenge for his mom, calling it now.
>>139314049
>the show is trying to push the one-sided romance and make it somehow relevant.
You're making it sound way more relevant than it actually is.
>>139314267
>>139314310
>Yamagi's crush on Shino somehow disengages the viewer
What? What kind of logic is that? Just because of some background crush we're not supposed to care about him? Is this some kind of latent fear of the fujo cooties? Shino is just a more prominent character than Akihiro, he has more lines, more screentime and more relationships. The very deathflaggy Shino preview pic was a rt record breaking tweet they had, people did give a damn if he was going to die.
>>139314448
>>139314764
Go away, Merribit.
RIP Dios
>>139314778
McGillis doesn't want to destroy Gjallarhorn. He wants to make it stronger like it was 300 years ago when their word was law and economic blocs and fat old men couldn't subvert them like they do in the present.
>>139314861
The people retweeting that are fujos. Which is fine. He's popular with fujoshi and that's not a crime. I can't speak for others but no, the disengagement isn't a fujo cooties thing. At the beginning of the series I actually had a faggy ship for him. It's just that I felt like they were building these death flags on something obvious and my only two choices were
1. they go through with it, he dies, and I'm supposed to care about how it affects Yamagi.
2. they don't go through with it, he lives, and I'm supposed to care about how it affects Yamagi.
I'm glad his final scene was just palling around with Tekkadan friends and the kids. Anyway you should calm down a bit and let people just not be interested in a character.
>>139314778
>Tekkandan's doomed cause
There's nothing doomed about their cause with Macky on their side.
>>139314927
Fuck, I laughed.
>>139314942
The weakness can only be purged through the crucible of fire. As long as he survives, Gjallarhorn can be remade as something more pure than it had become. If Gjallarhorn wins, the survivors have proven they have the strength and he can step in as the prodigal son returned to lead them. Win or lose, he still wins as long as his involvement in playing all the sides remains secret and no one takes him out.
>>139314861
>You're making it sound way more relevant than it actually is.
You're just proving my point here. They try to make it relevant by giving those two scenes in the first place, but most people don't care. Their relationship has no impact. That's why it's not relevant and I don't get why they specifically gave them screentime when their relationship doesn't introduce anything new to the story. They're not comrades on the battlefield and they don't have meaningful conversations.
The only scene I actually thought had a point was when Yamagi went out of his way to make those space fireworks and Shino thanked him.
>>139315140
This is how I feel. The fireworks had meaning because it had a greater impact on Tekkadan in the end. Then you have Eugene asking about the fireworks, Nadi mentioning it was Yamagi's idea, and Shino taking note of that and going to thank him. It meant something to him because it helped him get closure for deaths he felt responsible by. That entire scene was a great close to a shitty arc, since Eugene's comforting of Akihiro in it was really meaningful as well. Everyone, including Yamagi, came off as good friends.
Other than that, every scene is just pointlessly reiterating that he has a crush.
Hey, isn't the manga for this show out? Why can't I find it anywhere?
>>139315294
No gaijin demand, it's not popular here and nips don't put their shit online easily these days. The manga is basically a rehash, nothing interesting or important.
>>139290188
Yet you fake fucks will be all over her once it's Kiznaiver and not Gundam
>>139315294
Isn't the manga just one volume of the entire first 3 episodes of the series? I don't see why anyone would care.
>>139315023
looks like a Bionicle rather than gunpla
![[HorribleSubs] Mobile Suit Gundam - Iron-Blooded Orphans - 24 [720p].mkv_snapshot_17.12_[2016.03.29_17.00.02].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2iujkWf.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Mobile Suit Gundam - Iron-Blooded Orphans - 24 [720p].mkv_snapshot_17.12_[2016.03.29_17.00.02].jpg")
>>139294310
Which means nothing to us as the audience, because we haven't lost anything we were actually attached to. We're supposed to sympathize with these characters who've just won a costly victory, but we've been given no basis on which to do so, because the cost to us was zero.
Showing something like this and then letting the character live is pretty close to the bottom of the barrel in terms of cheap drama.
I'm disappointed with the fact that the show wasted so much time. I wanted to know way more about the individual characters of Tekkadan, but I got 25 episodes of fucking nothing. Even the two main best friends got barely anything on their backstory. I had no understanding of why their friendship was so retarded.
>>139315371
I care, dude. I want to see more on the orphans and Mars.
>>139315002
>1. they go through with it, he dies, and I'm supposed to care about how it affects Yamagi.
This wasn't so hard to figure out. At least to me it was always obvious Yamagi isn't relevant enough for his grief to matter and they're not going to follow through with it. I don't see much point to it myself, but luckily Shino is not just about Yamagi.
>let people just not be interested in a character.
That's perfectly fine, but you were attributing your reasoning to the general public, and this isn't what I have personally experienced. As for the attention given to the Turbines, no duh, this is /a/. Look no further than Carta's example.
>>139315434
I don't know how or why anybody could argue that it isn't, even for people who were generally satisfied with the show. That was bullshit.
>>139299669
I understand some of the complaints against the writing, but fucking hell, you didn't bring up a single good point.
>>139315434
I wonder if they chickened out after the nerdrage of Unicorn slaughtering female characters.
>>139315434
>because we haven't lost anything we were actually attached to.
Are you saying you were attached to Shino, Lafter or Azee? Because I seriously doubt it.
>>139302465
>If the show is good it's because of Okada
>If the show sucks it's because of the director and publisher
>>139315495
Carta had great potential and was awesome, if annoying, so I understand attachment to her more than Lafter and Azee. And yeah, Shino definitely isn't all about that, it just felt like that's what the majority of his meaningful scenes were since the Brewers arc and the funeral. Maybe it was the fujos flooding boards and twitter everywhere, but it made me disengaged since they seemed to act like that's all he was about, and it made me in return not really care if that was the case. Didn't mean to act like everyone feels the same as me, but I have seen a lot of people react similarly, not counting other guys that are just stupidly afraid of the gay. For now, I'd like to see him interacting with everyone else again, back in a pink fighter, and being his loud self without a bunch of false death flags.
>>139315569
Who is arguing that all of the good stuff was Okada? We just know that a lot of retarded decisions, including how S1 ended on a "happier" note (meaning useless, stupid fake out deaths), was Nagai's decision, and I think most of us raged over that.
>>139315434
This type of shit is so manipulative and cheap.
Does anyone have the picture with Azee having a bonk on her head and Lafters can cut open?
>>139315616
>it just felt like that's what the majority of his meaningful scenes were since the Brewers arc and the funeral
It actually felt the other way around to me. The Shino x Yamagi thing was teased the strongest around the Dort colony arc. Then somewhere around ep 17 it's been nearly completely dropped in favor of others. Shino doesn't even interact with him since, beside two or three times, until the very end. He does spend most of his time with Eugene and later Akihiro though. I think I wouldn't have an issue with his and Yamagi's relationship if I had received a sense of commitment to it. Although in such case like you say, fear of the gay would without a doubt turn most people away.
>>139316044
Thanks for being a reasonable person in this thread. I disagree about where they got the most focus or meaningful development, but that's probably subjective. As a background thing I am fine with it. It's good fleshing out to show some background dude having a crush on Shino, because gay people exist and Shino is deserving of cocklust, but the thought of it being a central point to his character doesn't engage me. I think that's kind of normal though if you don't care about one half of a relationship, I felt this way about a few things in pretty much every Gundam show.
>episode 23
>Mika goes completely nuts
>kids are all crazy with bloodlust and won't go inside
>"maybe Carta will fire a volley into the train and sadness will happen"
>nope, she just gets owned
>Orga realizes McGillis has them walking into a setup
>they keep going anyway because "KEEP MOVING FORWARD"
>next episode begins with them getting massacred
>"maybe Orga's crazy ambition will actually backfire for once"
>nope, just a pile of dead nobodies and some offscreen recovery for the main characters
>Ein goes from reasonably-managed righteous anger to fully insane
>McGillis goes full edgelord
>all potentially sympathetic villains are dead (unless revived by way of plot armor)
>>139290930
But I don't give a shit about any character in Reco so it's all moot.
>>139318902
>implying it is about giving a shit and not about pretending to be a gritty and realistic war story
>>139302465
Because of her track record of sucking donkey dick.
>>139311913
VVV first climax was much more satisfying than that.
>>139312698
No, they obvioulsy kept him alive so he could kill the audience that made it this far by giving them ear cancer.
>>139293226
Did you forget all the Grimoire pilot who died and replaced all the time?
>>139313356
Underrated post.
>>139314108
Gaelio will be merged with robo Ein in a 2 headed Graze next season.
>>139319208
>Gaelio will be merged with robo Ein in a 2 headed Graze next season.
>not a 2-seater cockpit
>yfw they will use the G-Lucifer
I can't really see any way Gaelio can be alive.
Shino / Lafter / Azee at least have the excuse of Ein being a lunatic on a rampage and they managed to get lucky. In comparison its much harder to believe a man as thorough and ruthless as McGillis would be careless enough to not confirm his kill.
>>139319574
>I can't really see any way Gaelio can be alive.
>>139319509
You mean combining Graze with their own Tsukame Prido as their super robot theme.
>>139319574
>implying McGillis didn't unconsiously hold back
>implying deep down in his heart of hearts McGillis doesn't want Gaelio to rise up and kill him
>implying S2 won't end with a mecha-Gaelio vs McGillis fist fight on top of a mountain of dead orphans
>>139311216
They'd probably start the whole story from scratch if Frozen Teardrop got animated.
>>139313356
>Would have had more impact if he died and it didn't affect a character that has no defining relationships outside of him or motivations outside of him, and it affected all of Tekkadan instead.
>implying it wouldn't
Shino/Eugene and Shino/Akihiro are almost as big as Shino/Yamagi. There's even some Shino/Orga out there. Of course it would affect all of Tekkadan, all of Tekkadan wants to fuck Shino.
>>139319574
See you're using logic. But this is IBO and anyone can come back from the dead.
>>139319877
Fumitan and Biscuit disagree with you.RIP Danji
>>139290188
Sunrise's Fault, see the sales and the popularity polls and you will understand you fucking redditshit.
i know you are from there because you don't even use the fucking logic reasoning
>>139319900
The number of fake deaths largely outweigh the number of real deaths
>RIP Danji
literally who?
>>139319877
>But this is IBO and anyone can come back from the dead.
Especially those who were never dead to begin with.
