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since the other thread is an tripfag, jpg shitpost dump, let's have a thread actually about the new concept poster and new movie theories
#1 question
what the fuck is QB exactly if homu is the devil
Judas
>>139283710
but he's an ayyylmao
rebellion talked about the mayan calander stuff but never concluded all the bloodmoons iirc
>>139283649
>that image
>angry Madoka
>powerless Homura
Some of these MadoHomu artists act passive-aggressive as hell against Homura.
>>139284413
but she earned her dislike
we could be discussing how the ending was happy and perfect but now we have to wait for a series wrap up movie
>>139283649
Homu is Lucifer. A fallen angel not devil.
>>139284413
>Silver
>Passive-aggressive toward Homura
The picture is a reference to a mobile game that the artist was playing. Devil Homura was a rare special promitional catch or something.
>>139284708
She's still overwhelmingly the most popular meguca in Japan.
>>139284708
Not really, Homura has always been the biggest hero, Madoka doesn't do much in comparison. The level of dislike tells far more about the fan base than the character, in my opinion. Maybe that's why they're taking a million years to do anything new.
>>139285324
Yeah, Silver definitely is something like that, at least when it comes to his shipping.
>>139285519
Doesn't feel like it. I was under the impression Japan liked Madoka and Mami the most. Maybe the normal fans who buy stuff like Homura the most though.
>>139285002
idk senpai
she calls herself a demon
i think kyubei is lucifer and she's satan
>>139285953
>she's the biggest hero
I guess that's why she literally shitted up an implied countless timelines for her own greedy wish. Sayaka was on to something when she called out her time-shield-pocket-purse shinnanigans.
I don't dislike the wait though really, desu.
>>139285953
>I was under the impression Japan liked Madoka and Mami the most.
Homura > Mami > Madoka
That's the generally the break down I see.
>>139286251
Madoka could not become Madokami without Homura. Sayaka is the last one that needs to be calling out Homura considering how badly she tends to fuck everything up.
>>139286442
Implying Madokami is for the best. Sayaka did nothing wrong.
>>139286251
Not sure what you're implying, but Homura going on for Madoka's sake is praised heavily in canon. It generates the karma that allows Madoka to become a goddess, and Homura has angel wings in the anime ending. Sayaka on the other hand is portrayed entirely in the wrong. If I remember correctly, she ends up killing some innocent people on a train after her rant against Homura.
>>139286442
Where do you get that from though? From what I see in doujinsand threads, Madoka and Mami are always favored in some way.
>>139287170
Was it really for Madoka's sake though? It was all for her own desires, not the benefit of Madoka per se, that's why she is keeping her brainwashed. Homura has devil wings at the end of the anime. Sayaka got angry at those guys but there was no real indicator she killed them. She was the only magical girl that was fighting purely to keep people safe, disregarding her own need for grief seeds.
>>139283649
an ~amoral~ little and apathetic little shit
who /futa/ Kyouko here?
>>139287526
I was talking about the anime. Rebellion is different, it's a rebellion against Madoka for the greater good. Homura has some kind of special wings in the anime's post-epilogue, but they aren't the same as the devil wings of rebellion. Sayaka was strongly implied to have killed those people on the train, but even ignoring that she hurt everyone around her and became a witch in record time. She never saved anyone, she couldn't win a witch fight without breaking down. Her feelings were obviously in another place, no grief seed would have helped her much.
>>139287678
so he's actually an athiest
>>139288316
does QB browse reddit?
>>139283649
I've actually thought that Kyubey is Mephistophiles from the Faust legend.
>>139287997
They look like witches wings at the anime end, which would explain her being a witch in rebellion and would also explain her being in some random secluded area where Kyubei trapped her soul. If Sayaka killed them why didn't Sakura confront her about it since she was following behind her? She prevented witches being born by attacking familiars which is indirectly keeping people safe, "breaking down" really doesn't change that.
>>139288865
post more secret texts senpai
>>139288505
not enough preteen girls desu
>>139285953
In terms of popularity it's always been Homura > Kyouko > Mami > Sayaka > Madoka
>>139287170
>Where do you get that from though? From what I see in doujins and threads, Madoka and Mami are always favored in some way.
Searching 魔法少女まどかマギカ on Melonbooks brings me nothing but NSFW and SFW MadoHomu and KyouSaya. Mami's doujinshi are also overwhelming porn.
Fan fiction aside, Mami is inexplicably popular among the Japanese fan base, but Mami really only out does Homura in manga sales.
>>139288865
looks like you're on to sonething
>>139289506
No, it's true that Mami is pretty popular in Japan, as is Madoka. That's why some people are already throwing out the fan pandering accusations after it was announced Mami was going to be the central focus of the next project.
>>139289637
(cont) But Homu continues to be top even after Rebellion.
>>139289575
>>139289637
Mami is only popular because of those mammis.
>>139289772
why is she the mostsoft-heartedaccording to homu
>>139289995
You already know why.
>>139289022
They do look something like that, but this doesn't change her position or what she did for Madoka. They did use is as a sequel hook though. As for Sayaka, hunting familiars is foolish, going straight for the witch itself is the efficient way to save people. That's why we only see her going after witches later on. The train incident is something only we the audience see, Kyouko doesn't even know anything until Sayaka reveals her soul gem in the end.
>>139289575
I was partially judging things based on the reading of non-hetero doujins though, both SFW and NSFW. Madoka is almost always favored or in control, especially in MadoHomu. Mami always seems to just get her way with others, she's like the idolized girl for some reason, even though she's suppose to be the most mentally troubled.
>Mami is inexplicably popular among the Japanese fan base, but Mami really only out does Homura in manga sales.
Yeah, Mami definitely feels more popular in my experience. Homura would probably be more popular in sales for any normal fan. She is suppose to be the action hero and the real main character, she should be the most popular, right? When the side character with a side manga is somehow more popular, it says something. Or maybe it really does come down to Mami's mammies, I don't know anymore...
>>139291375
>Madoka is almost always favored or in control
This is a pretty popular /u/ meme, anon. Go back and watch the scene on the ship in Rebellon.
>Mami always seems to just get her way with others
That's pretty in character.
>When the side character with a side manga is somehow more popular, it says something. Or maybe it really does come down to Mami's mammies, I don't know anymore...
Her manga is almost nothing but her bending over in suggestive positions and bemoaning the fact she's single.
>>139289612
I know I heard it from somewhere else, but I can't recall where exactly. Even without that, the quotations on the walls are a pretty dead giveaway that PMMM is a Japanese take on Goethe's Faust.
>>139292067
Inu Curry did those and the other Faust references. Gen claims to have never read Faust, but Shinbo may have. There's nothing very Faustian in the series proper though. Kyubey is your typical monkey's paw present in many stories and it's a pretty generic "be careful what you wish for".
>>139292632
It's interesting to note, glossing over the synopses for Faust, that Mephistophiles originally came to Faust in the form of a poodle (then a kind of sheepdog). So Kyubey looking almost like a kind of weasel itself has antecedents in the myth.
It's not a straightforward adaptation for sure, but the fact that all the MGs are destined to become witches that live behind these barriers sounds similar to how all those who make a bargain with the Devil are ultimately doomed to die, and become one of the tortured souls in Hell.
>>139293036
>So Kyubey looking almost like a kind of weasel itself has antecedents in the myth.
Kyubey looked like a generic mahou shoujo mascot character.
>It's not a straightforward adaptation for sure
Because it's not an adaptation.
I can't get off unless I'm fantasizing about forcing Homura to watch Madoka and I fuck. Do I have a problem?
>>139289612
so, rebelion is still faust thing
>>139283649
he is the outsider
>>139289637
>it was announced Mami was going to be the central focus of the next project.
I really hope this doesn't actually happen. That pretty much ruins an important purpose that character had since the first quarter of the show.
>>139289637
Honestly, I don't think I will be able to stand the sudden focus on Mami. She literally has nothing going for her except boobs and overpowered in battle. Why not focus on more interesting characters like Kyouko?
Hey /a/, I was considering watching this anime, but first, I have a question. Are there any boring self-insert male characters in it? Or meaningless love plots? Interesting male characters/love plots are fine, if they enhance the story in someway, but I'm sure you get what I mean.
Thanks.
>>139294939
The specifically referenced her as a Guan Yu 3 Kingdoms figure. I think she'll just be doing the fighting against Homura (and possibly Sayaka if she went justicebitch again) in Madoka's place. Any sequel that does not focus on how Madoka feels about the whole situation they're in and how she feels about Homura at this point would be an insane move.
>>139294939
don't you wanna find out about bebe anon? if mami is the focus I'm guessing that would mean she just gets the backstory revealed....
>>139295151
>if mami is the focus I'm guessing that would mean she just gets the backstory revealed..
Think Rebellion. But with Mami.
>>139295045
the only male plot device is seemingly kyubei. sataka has a love interest but he isnt a general focus
>>139295045
>Are there any boring self-insert male characters in it
Just one, but he's pretty much irrelevant.
>Or meaningless love plots?
There's a love triangle that exists for the sole reason of developing Sayakaor more like for making her suffer.
Keep in mind that the Yuri in Madoka is just limited to undertones and heavy implications.
>>139295179
there's a few plotholes that need to be filled that revolve around her though. she was the first one that kyubei revealed himself to, bebe as mentioned above, and why was she able to resist homu's time freeze in rebellion outside of her ttansformed state
>>139295363
transformed* and who were her parents?
>>139295134
That's really out of character for Mami, since she's the weakest emotionally. Every time she's faced with the "truth" she either doesn't accept it, or breaks.
>>139295151
"Bebe" was a pointless addition in Rebellion.
>>139295363
>she was the first one that kyubei revealed himself
When?
>able to resist homu's time freeze in rebellion outside of her ttansformed state
She grabbed Homu with a ribbon when Homura asked for a refill on tea. This is very obvious.
>>139295363
What about Bebe? There's nothing that could be added to Bebe.
>>139295207
>>139295218
Alright, that sounds tolerable. I'll give it a go, then. I figured the yuri wasn't explicit, but I'm more interested in a intriguing story and dynamic characters anyway.And I love me some dark themes in anime.
Thanks again.
>>139295430
>Every time she's faced with the "truth" she either doesn't accept it, or breaks.
Except she isn't in Rebellion. Way to make a point that hasn't been relevant since 2013.
>"Bebe" was a pointless addition in Rebellion
Bebe cured her loneliness, thus making her a more formidable fighter.
>>139295397
>who were her parents?
>Implying this fucking matters
They're dead. Literally shown in episode 2.
>>139295430
hopefully not anymore in the new movie. it sort of has a point already though.
>madoka changes the universe to make magical girls/witches wishes come true
>witches are now saved by madoka before they become witches
>wraiths....?????
Since Mami has Bebe now, she won't break as easily as she did in previous timelines.
>>139295468
when she was seconds away from dying in that mystery car accident
>>139295582
they neber said if her parents were dead desu. all assumed headcanon
>>139295538
>Except she isn't in Rebellion. Way to make a point that hasn't been relevant since 2013.
She literally just tagged along after Bebe explained the situation. That's all she did. And even before that, she was fighting Homura tooth and nail despite anything Homura tried to explain to her. It makes no sense for Mami to be the focal point in anything. That's not her character.
>Bebe cured her loneliness, thus making her a more formidable fighter.
Nope. Having all of the MGs together is what cured her loneliness. Bebe did absolutely nothing, save being a plot device in a past that never existed. Way to not even watch the movie.
>>139295700
>when she was seconds away from dying in that mystery car accident
That's not a plot hole. That's what he does. Why did he approach Kyoko? Why did he approach Madoka?
>they neber said if her parents were dead desu. all assumed headcanon
Because not everyone is stupid enough to need every thing spoon fed to them.
>>139295700
>they neber said if her parents were dead desu. all assumed headcanon
Are you an idiot? She made a wish to save only herself. Why do you think she lives alone? Why else do you think she feels lonely?
>>139295468
>she grabbed homu at tea
what? she never got ribboned until she was choking bebe.
>>139295724
>It makes no sense for Mami to be the focal point in anything.
Homura said she felt bad because she would decimate Mami because Mami had the weakest heart. 5 minutes before being defeated by Mami. It was a pretty big deal.
Actually it does make sense for Mami to be the main character. She has the least development and thus they can write almost anything they want about her.
>>139295831
Rewatch it retard.
>>139295831
She has Homura ribboned throughout the entire tea party scene. Chances are she noticed that she was acting weird so just out of precaution she attached a ribbon to her.
>>139295795
it's a plothole because what made her so special to be the first one? nothing kyubei does isnt calculated. this is heavily supported by homu's many attempts to figure him out. why does he approach madoka? because he could sense her latent but huge magical power.
>spoonfed
i guess kyouko's parents story was "spoonfed" as well. psh. who really cared about her backstory either..amirite?
>>139295983
And if you pay close attention, she even looks down into Homura's tea cup, notices it's full, and gives a look before proceeding to ribbon her. It's very blatant.
>>139295923
>5 minutes before being defeated by Mami. It was a pretty big deal.
I think this is the issue a lot of people seem to be having. It should never have been a "big deal" to be beaten my Mami. That's literally the point. Mami died in the original show, despite being the most talented or most powerful. That was the point of her character, to illustrate to the viewers that power or talent has no relation to a character's importance in the show.
They started erring away from that a little bit in Rebellion. Not as much as I think you think, but they did. If she becomes the main deal in the new content, they're practically throwing characters out the window for the sake of pandering.
>>139296048
>i guess kyouko's parents story was "spoonfed" as well
Are you incapable of telling the difference between a significant plot point and a foot note?
Go read this if you want Mami backstory.
>>139296133
>If she becomes the main deal in the new content, they're practically throwing characters out the window for the sake of pandering.
I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying this is the reality we have to accept.
>>139296133
To make you even more peeved, Hitomi will have a role.
>>139295497
Different anon but the characters are what sell the series. As someone who sat through it three times to show friends it can be a bit slow and dialogue-heavy, but the characters are all pretty likeable.
>>139296173
Though it isn't a backstory that's relevant to the story's canon it is a nice read for in depth Mami.
>>139296297
The problem is Mami is barely relevant to the story's canon.
>>139296133
Mami died, not because she lacked strength. She was simply too full of herself and too endorsed in the idea that her cute kouhais were looking up to her. She let her guard down and died because of that.
>>139296270
The only role I can imagine Hitomi playing is if it were to focus again on her relationship with Sayaka regarding the matter of Kyousuke. Perhaps they will finally have the much needed heart-felt talk.
>>139296331
Suppose that's why she may have a main role in the upcoming new project.
>>139295957
take your own advice shithead
>>139295983
wrong desu. homura said herself she wouldn't do anything out of the ordinary to bring attention to herself.
>>139296076
wrong again. much headcanon itt. none of the magical girls use their powers outside of their transformed state
posting screencaps
>>139296403
I hope to god not. They already concluded that plot line in E12 and Rebellion.
>>139296214
>this is the reality we have to accept.
Yeah you're probably right.
I know I'm probably just hoping for the best here, but wasn't the show original marketed as a typical mahou shoujo before it aired? Not only that, but for the majority of the show it played as if Madoka was the main character. And, even in Rebellion, the first thirty or so minutes of the movie went on as if it was a typical mahou shoujo again. Maybe they're running the same trick now with Mami, before the new stuff is released? I doubt it, but here's to hoping.
>>139296270
>To make you even more peeved, Hitomi will have a role.
Fuck me I wouldn't even be surprised, actually.
>>139296359
I don't think you're wrong, but I think there was definitely more to it than that. The whole scene before the witch fight where Mami was confessing her insecurities to Madoka pretty much tells us that she wasn't solid on an emotional level. I don't think it's coincidence that that's what preceded thebeheading
>>139296437
Oh Jesus fucking Christ anon. It's when she gets up and walks behind Homura.
>>139296475
They didn't. Sayaka and Hitomi didn't talk once after Hitomi supposedly hooked up with Kyousuke.
>>139296483
>Yeah you're probably right.
>I know I'm probably just hoping for the best here, but wasn't the show original marketed as a typical mahou shoujo before it aired? Not only that, but for the majority of the show it played as if Madoka was the main character. And, even in Rebellion, the first thirty or so minutes of the movie went on as if it was a typical mahou shoujo again. Maybe they're running the same trick now with Mami, before the new stuff is released? I doubt it, but here's to hoping.
The problem is we all expect it at this point. Rebellion did the mahou shojo thing to inform us we were supposed to feel uncomfortable.
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>>139296437
>>139296522
Fucking idiot. Pay attention to the damn ribbon to Homura's left.
>>139296578
It's implied they chatted at least a few times in Rebellion. Sayaka even talks about being happy for Hitomi and that she's over "captain oblivious". There's a whole month we don't see inbetween Homura showing up at Mitakihara Middle School and Madoka and Homura's first talk in the park.
>>139296666
FUCK YOU ANON IT'S RIGHT THERE
Would you let Homura peg you /a/?
>>139296665
>It's implied they chatted at least a few times in Rebellion
[citation needed] Not saying that it couldn't have happened, but I didn't see it implied anywhere that they talked. They're not even shown to be that close in Rebellion.
All I'm saying is that Hitomi was a fucking bitch and that she at least needs to talk to Sayaka once.
>>139296173
no point in reading that since we're getting a movie
>>139296815
>All I'm saying is that Hitomi was a fucking bitch and that she at least needs to talk to Sayaka once.
I guess it comes down to how important Urobuchi feels it is. There's way more important things going on at the end of Rebellion that need to be addressed.
>>139296694
not gonna lie a missed it, rekt my shit
admit to this though. mami's backstory has potential
>>139296881
And Urobuchi said that Hitomi was getting a bmore prominent role. And I say that it could possibly be because of her business with Sayaka.
Though it could possibly be that she becomes aware of the magical girls' existence judging by some of the dialogue in the concept trailer.
>>139296416
Yeah, I think she's a blank slate. She been shown that she can identify with Madoka's sense of righteousness, but she can also sympathize with Homura's loneliness and self-doubt if they decide to incorporate elements of her TDS characterization. Gives them pretty free reign.
>>139296817
Just fuck off retard.
>>139296896
>>139296967
There's no potential for a backstory there because Bebe existing in the Labyrinth and having a history with Mami was literally a creation from Homulily's mind. None of it actually happened. There is absolutely nothing that could possibly still be exploited from Mami's past. We already know that she made the selfish wish of saving just herself instead of herself AND her parents.
>>139297010
kek. why are you so mad though? mami is important
>>139297030
Anon, he thinks Mami's parents dying is head canon.
>what if
>>139297064
>sample
She's irrelevant.
>>139297030
bebe was riding that elephant with sayaka at the end of rebellion. how was she not real?
>>139297064
>mami is important
In regards to the overall plot she isn't that important. She's just there to show that not even the strongest and most confident magical girls survive. She's also there to kill Kyouko during one of the timelines.
>>139297113
Fucking idiot. I'm talking about Nagisa and Mami's relationship as it was played up inside the Labyrinth. There is no Mami taking care of a tiny witch for who knows how many years.
>>139296982
>And Urobuchi said that Hitomi was getting a bmore prominent role.
I'm both curious and terrified as to how that'll play out. Hitomi is such a non-character, but then again that's also a good thing. They can't do too much to fuck it up. They can only create.
>>139296595
>The problem is we all expect it at this point. Rebellion did the mahou shojo thing to inform us we were supposed to feel uncomfortable.
That's true. But it's also a trend that somewhat defined the series. If not Mami, then it's going to be something.
>>139297084
>scythe
Dark.
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>>139297196
Expect more Kyousuke-Hitomi-Sayaka drama.
>>139297192
according to what?
>>139283649
>new concept poster
What did I miss?
>>139297107
she literally has next up
>>139297322
According to what? According to what? Do you even hear yourself? Literally the point of the Labyrinth was that it was a world manipulated by Homura which made certain things possible which otherwise wouldn't have happened in the real world.
Then this Labyrinth broke. It nullified the false memories that were implanted in Mami's mind about Bebe.
They don't even know each other in Homucifer's world until that last scene.
>>139297301
Fuck no
>>139297363
MAMI ON THE FRONT PAGE
>>139297490
>It nullified the false memories that were implanted in Mami's mind about Bebe.
nah, she still knew about Madoka after they got out, so she presumably still had the memories she got in the Labyrinth until Homu brainwashed her again
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Those wide faces make Sayaka look like a fat SJW sometimes.
>>139297610
>tears up when seeing her crush with someone else
>expects nothing to happen
>>139297703
Are you retarded? The point is that those memories she had of Bebe. The whole backstory of the two of them meeting years ago, were completely false. There is no backstory there, just Bebe trying to take advantage of Mami's cooking skills and Mami being content with whatever attention she gets.
>>139297719
The impression I got from that scene was more about Sayaka accepting that she'll never be with Kyousuke.
>>139297301
Yeah probably. But I think it'll actually go the other way. Hitomi can't keep Kyousuke's attention either, so what if all of a sudden he starts noticing Sayaka since she's stopped trying herself. It would actually make sense.
>Swan Lake motif
MadoHomu confirmed sacrifice their physical existence and reign together in the afterlife as waifu and waifu after some heart felt tragedy.
>Three Kingdoms theme
Three way smack down between heaven, hell, and earth.
>Mami central focus
Mami will be a protagonist become the champion of megucas in the new world created after Homura decides to join Madoka (as if reconciliation wasnt fucking guaranteed) as an equal in the Law of Cycles.
>>139297810
Maybe that, too. But she's also still hurt to see them together.
>>139297719
You're misinterpreting, She was glad to greet her friends once more.
Sayaka shouldn't even be raw about that anymore when she accepted their relationship during her final moments and build a stronger bond with Kyouko inside Homura's barrier.
>>139297490
from what i seen and heard only certain aspects of the labyrinth were manipulated and bebe and mamis relationship didn't neccesarily seem to be one of them. she transformed and explained something to mami off screen but besides that she still existed outside of the labyrinth which would mean she was originally created in madoka's new universe.
it was also specified that certain people were led into homura's labyrinth but couldn't escape. i dont remember there being a part were mami realizes she never had a previous connection to bebe though.
>>139297905
Unless it's Sayaka who makes a move, I don't think Kyousuke would ever notice Sayaka. He's simply that oblivious.
>>139297719
>crush
Former crush*
>>139297930
>>139297981
Here we go again
>K: Hey Sayaka! Good morning.
>H: Good morning, Sayaka-san.
>S: (Seeing them) Oh... (looks away, with a small smile, eyebrows lifting to indicate that the smile isn't genuine) yeah.
>S (Smile drops, eyes begin to quiver and she tears up more)
>S: (looking away and wiping her eyes) Um.. Good morning.
>S: Yep. Good morning! To you both.
Please note this Yep. It is extremely important, and is there because it implies that thought was put into the following words, that it's being gauged as the "right" thing to say.
>K: Is something the matter, Sayaka?
>S: (moving around in an exaggerated manner) No, it's just...
>S: (turning away from them again) I didn't realize how happy it would make me to be able to say "good morning" to you again.
Everything about Sayaka's body language and tone in that scene heavily indicates that she is not being genuine.
>>139297910
>Mami will be a protagonist become the champion of megucas
Wasn't it actually implied at the very end of the show that everyone was dead and Homura was the last one beforeshe became a witch?
Champion or not, all of them die in the end regardless. Right?
>>139297948
Well isn't there a thing about people only start yearning for something/someone when they no longer have it? She was hawking around him constantly while he was in the hospital and likely prior to that. What if that's the actual thing that kicks his interest in?
>>139297719
>>139297301
How do people still not understand that scene?
>>139297942
She stayed around Mami because Bebe had the knowledge from outside the labyrinth. She and Sayaka were the only people who knew what was going on, so they had to prepare for when Homura figured it out and started tearing everything down.
>>139298092
In Kyousuke's case not even that helps. Remember how he didn't even bother greeting her after he was released from the hospital.
>>139298075
Why are you so obsessed with this?
You're looking to much into this when not necessary.
You're also bringing this pasta back from the current /u/ Madoka thread where there you were dubunked.
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>>139298145
Alright anon. Have you ever stopped to think, for just one minute, that it's entirely possible that while Sayaka may have given up on Kyousuke, that she still has faint feelings for him? After all, er love for Kyousuke wasn't just a mere crush, she was crazy in love. It's not crazy to think that she still feels a little bit hurt when she sees the guy she used to obsess over together with her best friend.
>>139298092
>all of them died in th end
and like the psh *teleports behind you* fashion she's known for, she probably went back in time again.
idk though...it was for sure that sayaka had died off screen since she was with madoka agai but she also came bacn with madoka right as homu became a witch so i'd say they didnt actually die, she was just being edgy in a deserted area fighting alone
>>139298228
I'm simply looking at a scene which obviously is supposed to be read as Sayaka still having some feelings for Kyousuke, whereas everyone just assumes that she was being genuine when she said she was happy to see them again.
>>139298188
>Remember how he didn't even bother greeting her after he was released from the hospital.
Yeah, you're right. What a fucking faggot. But I'm pretty sure they'll still make his character relevant, yet I'm pretty sure Sayaka's over him. Homura could technically make that change, though. For what purpose I have no idea.
>>139298269
Well that was my take away for the scene after the credits. I don't think Homura would move too far away from their city, but she was seen in what I'd describe as an absolute wasteland. And I could be a massive moron here, but I don't think there's any deserts in Japan.
>>139298356
That's because she was happy to see them.
Before the new universe was created Sayaka helped soothe Hitmoi's nightmare by playing Kyousuke's music.
Cleary she's accepted their relationship and as I said she did so in her final moments on episode 12.
>>139298337
See>>139298075
>initial reaction is shock "Oh"
>looks away and fakes a smile
>tears up and turns away completely
>O-oh Good morning!
>Yep! Good morning!
>body language implies that she's been caught in an uncomfortable situation
>starts making dramatic bodily movements to hide the fact that she's nervous
>>139298476
She'd been dead and has started adjusting to Homura's universe so of course she'd feel uncomfortable at the moment.
>>139298463
She's accepted their relationship in a world where she still retained her memories. The Sayaka in the last 20 minutes of Rebellion has none of those memories, and it can even be assumed that even in this world she made her wish to heal Kyousuke's hand, which means that her "moving on" hasn't happened in this universe.
>>139298578
Yet, despite her mind being erased she still was seen playing with Kyouko in the final shot indicating that they're still very much close and Sayaka obviously has memory of getting along well with Kyouko.
>>139283649International financial capitalists
>>139298453
>Homura could technically make that change
I'm samefagging here, but it just hit me. Homura could very likely make Kyousuke take notice of Sayaka anyways, and that would actually be within her current character paradigm. While she only really ever focused on Madoka, Homura still regarded the other megucas as friends. I really think this is what's going to happen, actually.
>>139298561
>>139298576
I'm not entirely sure whether you're genuinely retarded or just pretending to be retarded. The Sayaka that greets Hitomi and Kyousuke is the same Sayaka that ended up getting herself killed over Kyousuke. Expect something about Sayaka spiraling downwards again.
>>139298632
She does imediately lose her memories of the LoC. The only thing she remembers is that she used to be a part of a higher being and that Homura is evil.
>>139298653
True, I'm not saying that Sayaka getting over Kyousuke won't happen eventually, but she still very clearly has feelings for him.
For you
>>139298675
I don't think Homura wants Kyousuke and Sayaka to be close seeing as Kyousuke and Hitomi are still dating in her universe. Instead of that, she made it possible for Sayaka to become friends with Kyouko.
>>139298738
The only shred of evidence on Sayaka still having feelings for Kamijou you have is one moment where you believe she's bitter seeing Both him and Hitomi.
That's not very strong and that scene can be interpreted various ways.
Face it, your argument is a stretch.
Funny thing is, you'll keep bringing back this argument whenever you have a chance and people will always debunk you.
>>139298811
>I don't think Homura wants Kyousuke and Sayaka to be close seeing as Kyousuke and Hitomi are still dating in her universe. Instead of that, she made it possible for Sayaka to become friends with Kyouko.
I don't think it's any stretch of the imagination to say that Homura sympathizes more with other megucas as opposed to someone like Hitomi- who we also never see her interact with in the show or in Rebellion.
The more I think about it the more it makes sense, and it wouldn't stop there. Homura's taking everything in to her own hands. She'll fix the Kyousuke-Sayaka situation and she'll coddle Madoka and keep her safe. Like you said, she'll fan Sayaka and Kyouko's friendship.
And then she'll alter Mami's issues with her loneliness and emotional frailty. And that is what her big mistake will be. This could retroactively fix the issues I was complaining about with Mami being the focal character in the new movie, if only temporarily.
Fuck I'm writing the new content right now.
>>139298453
maybe she went tokyouko's cityto fight wraiths
they never really went into the wraith thing but here's my thoughts.
>madoka changes reality
>witches are no longer the evil ones as they are all saved now
>homura knows this of course but she's still fighting the wraiths as they are known which in actuality are a part of the secret kyubei stuff that also hasn't been divulged(demons from hell that prey on human souls)
>sayaka dies trying to be tough idk y
>homu still is searching for madoka but end up surronded by wraiths(madoka tells her goodluck in the end credits)
>she wins but goes into rage because she still hasn't heard anything but that from madoka
>fringe witches but passes out before full conversion and madoka saves her; this is where kyubei and his weird floaty eye demon technology cut in and trap her soul for "research"(really just a ploy to "incubate" her devil seed/grief seed/soul to counterbalance madokami
>her labryinth is born and madoka wonders why she can't automatically save(she can't because she wished to defeat/save any witch, wraiths arent witches and neither is kyubei), comes to earth herself from her seperate universe, brings sayaka back and bebe after they make their plan
>rebellion
>>139297942
Alright, I will regard your post >>139298145 here, which in my opinion seems to be reaching in certain aspects. I agree that she's already over Kyousuke "before" Homura created her new universe. However. right now. at this moment. Sayaka is gradually losing her memories as pointed out by >>139298914 so she will end up with no recollection of what she did in previous timelines, nor of what she did in the Labyrinth. None of those experiences will remain in her mind.
>>139298883
>is one moment where you believe she's bitter seeing Both him and Hitomi.
Bitter? No. She's not bitter, she is hurt alright, but she's not bitter. She has accepted that Kyousuke and Hitomi are dating and she is trying to be fine with it, but she still can't help herself from tearing up. See it as some sort of character growth, whatever.
>>139299076
I don't think Homura would actually mess around that much. Her goal when she rewrote the world was mainly make Madoka live a life that makes her happy. I think she understands that messing around too much with other people's emotions won't end well.
>>139299161
??>>139297942
here
this>>139298145
isnt me
>>139299266
Oops, my bad. I meant to reply to >>139298837
>>139299207
Well she's definitely one of the more rational characters, but she did take control from Madoka for Madoka's sake. And, as of the end of Rebellion, everything's going pretty well for Homura. Who's to say this success won't encourage more meddling?
>>139297196
Whose death do you think Magical Girl Hitomi wished for?
>>139299161
Sayaka losing memory would also imply she will have no memory of her healing Kamijou's arm.
You really can't claim she was "hurt" when all you have as a shred of evidence is Sayaka tearing up and body language.
You're really just repeating after yourself at this point.
You can't say anything until you have more evidence to back up your argument.
>>139298092
>Wasn't it actually implied at the very end of the show that everyone was dead and Homura was the last one before she became a witch?
No. You aren't the first to say this though. Urobuchi's actually commented on this and doesn't understand why people thought everyone was dead. People need to not read into implications that aren't there. Rebellion even confirmed they were alive Lyoko and Mami.
Is the "Sayaka is jealous of Hitomi" guy aware that, despite the pandering nature, Sayaka is lesbo/bi now? I know /a/ doesn't like giving /u/ anything, but don't waste so much time on Kyousuke when Rebellion went out of its way to show Sayaka was trying to build something with Kyoko. Fuck, they live together now.
>>139299459
>I wish... I just wish Kyousuke would fucking die
>>139299476
Did Urobuchi actually confirm they weren't dead? I don't know how he'd be confused by this. Just about every scene in the show takes place somewhere in the city. The scene right before the credits shows Homura and Kyubey at night. In the middle of the city.
And yet at the end she's in some unknown wasteland at some unknown time specifically by herself.
>>139299459
>not wishing for bountiful harvests
>>139299459
idk maybe none. she's a rich kid so i doubt she had anything she really really wanted.
>>139299758
She's rocking a scythe in that image, anon. I think that's indicative of something unwell.
>depressed Kyousuke won't pay her attention and is obviously dodging her.
>"I wish Junko never told Madoka about ammonia and bleach."
She's a walking paradox. With a scythe.And Madoka's dead.
>>139299463
>Sayaka losing memory would also imply she will have no memory of her healing Kamijou's arm
Assuming that Sayaka is still a magical girl, it is also save to assume that she made her wish for Kyousuke's arm to heal, so yes, inside this universe, Sayaka still has her memories of healing Kyousuke's arm.
>You really can't claim she was "hurt" when all you have as a shred of evidence is Sayaka tearing up and body language
Judging from her body language, the way she talks (such as stuttering), implies that she isn't happy at all. She's feeling hurt and nervous, and she's trying to hide it.
I admit that I don't have 100% evidence, but to me, this seems more believable than Sayaka suddenly being over Kyousuke in a world where she's still supposed to have feelings for him.
>>139299470
>Thank goodness your opinion is literally worthless. As all opinions are.
Ah goodness, must I feel threatened now?
>It's not reaching just because you say so.
It's reaching because it's overanalyzing things.
> Which also means she still has most of her memories during that scene with Hitomi and Kyousuke
And you have no evidence of what memories she has retained during that moment. There is no way to prove that she still has her memories of her having gotten over him. And even if she did, fact remains that she will forget all about it.
>She didn't cry the first time she saw Kyousuke and Hitomi together
And I think you didn't watch the last episode, because she was tearing up there.
>>139299594
I think it's possible that she's bi. However, that's besides the point. The point is that she still has feelings for Kyousuke when she sees him again. And by the way, all of those things that she did together with Kyouko have been forgotten about/will be forgotten about.
>>139299877
maybe she wished to end all things forbidden
she has a scythe because she's a wicked bitch. remem er she was perfectly fine easing in on sayaka's crush even though sayaka was with him everyday after school comforting him and his arm while she just went off doing whatever. she's the worst character morally now that i think about it, even going as far as giving sayaka a time limit..baka
>>139294939
>>139295041
All of the characters other than Homura have overstayed their welcome to be honest. And even she is being stretched thin at this point.
Maybe they could eke some more out of Madoka by tearing down her martyr complex.
>>139300537
>Maybe they could eke some more out of Madoka
plz no, she was always one dimensional. Either naive to the point of annoyance or saccharine sweet Mahou Shoujo Jesus..
The only characters that ever had development were Sayaka, Kyoko and Homura, and all of Homu's development in the series was fucked up to make Rebellion watchable.
that leaves Sayaka, who is pretty much played the hell out, and Kyoko, whose only development went from "evil objectivist" to "generally good lesbian rogue" over the course of 2 episodes and a monologue
>>139299889
>The point is that she still has feelings for Kyousuke when she sees him again. And by the way, all of those things that she did together with Kyouko have been forgotten about/will be forgotten about.
Your head canon is wrong.
>>139300909
What's even the point of arguing anymore? Sayaka is already confirmed to be lesbo/bi anyway
>>139299877
wait a minute...replied to this already but, what if she has a scythe because she agrees with kyubei and wants to help him? she's been left out of the "in the know" crowd this whole time so she will struggle with who to trust
>>139300909
Sayaka's even cuter when she openly smiles.
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>>139301134
Kyouko's fang is cute
>>139299889
>Judging from her body language, the way she talks (such as stuttering), implies that she isn't happy at all. She's feeling hurt and nervous, and she's trying to hide it.
It could also be interpreted the exact opposite way. She could be choked up because she was suddenly hit by a slice of everyday happiness that she never expected to get back, and she's trying not to show just how much it affected her.
![[Meguca]_Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_-_04_[BD][h264-1080p_FLAC][9FB8D48E].mkv_002042.703.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RIBXqDR.jpg "[Meguca] Puella Magi Madoka Magica - 04 [BD][h264-1080p FLAC][9FB8D48E].mkv 002042.703")
>>139301134
Sayaka's smiles are made of justice miracles.
>>139300981
No, I agree. Some anons just want to do everything they can to deny the yuri. It's about as destructive as tripfags.
>>139301318
Madoka's face buried in Homura's pussy confirmed in concept movie.
>>139301318
inb4 600 posts of people unironically responding to homuhater
>>139300779
>plz no, she was always one dimensional. Either naive to the point of annoyance or saccharine sweet Mahou Shoujo Jesus..
That's why I specified something that would take her outside of those boxes.
>Homu's development
Pardon? Homu never developed in the series. She just got worse and worse, and Rebellion rode that train straight to hell. It was a good run, but the ride is over.
>Sayaka and Kyouko
Like I said, they've overstayed their welcome. They were acceptable for a 12-episode series, but not everything that came after.
My opinion is that they should have just ended Rebellion with Homu unambiguously killing herself or Madokami accepting her into eternal yuriheaven. Making another fucking movie is just ridiculous.
>>139301346
I'm not denying the yuri you retard. I literally just admitted that the yuri is there. It's just that that scene is a clear indication that Sayaka has feelings for Kyousuke.
>>139301318
You're dipshit who shitposts to no end and gets away with it.
>>139301318
>killing homu
things you want but don't really want
>killing QBAY
do want
>>139301344
Sayaka-chan is truly a miracle of the universe.
>>139301493
>wah! I wanna taste a dick!
>>139301525
>Sayaka would taste dick AND pussy
Sayaka truly has superior taste
>>139301441
>My opinion is that they should have just ended Rebellion with Homu unambiguously killing herself or Madokami accepting her into eternal yuriheaven
Boring, there would be no point to Rebellion existing in the first place then. Homura eventually dying and going to tea and keki valhalla was a forgone conclusion after episode 12, why make a movie just to belabor the point?
Rebellion subverted that expectation by introducing an interesting adversarial element in Madoka and Homura's relationship, but more importantly it left the conclusion of that conflict open. Of course they need another movie.
>>139301441
>Homu never developed in the series
Nah, she had a pretty good turn from edgy and mysterious outsider to a time traveler that would ride out multiple apocalypses for Madoka pussy.
>Making another fucking movie is just ridiculous.
nigga you know how much money it will make them?
We'll be lucky if they don't start spinning off alternate timeline/universe series and prequels. Lord knows there's enough manga to give them a start.
>>139301493
Yes
>>139301525
Sayakachan is a pure maiden in love
>>139301525
perfect, you win!
>>139301616
I will love you Sayaka-chan!
Sayaka-chan is very cute!
>>139301574
Homu offing herself wouldn't be boring. It would have been the perfect capstone to her character's story. She was the biggest threat of all to Madoka's happiness.
>more importantly it left the conclusion of that conflict open
And even more importantly, that shit is incredibly boring and stretching the story to the point of tearing. It has completely lost sight of the original series.
>>139301593
>Nah, she had a pretty good turn from edgy and mysterious outsider to a time traveler that would ride out multiple apocalypses for Madoka pussy.
And in that sense, her characterization in Rebellion continues right along those lines to their natural conclusion.
>We'll be lucky if they don't start spinning off alternate timeline/universe series and prequels.
pls no
>>139296666
>Homura
>Satanic trips
Nice sempai
>wants to discuss
>still devolves into /c/ and ERP posting
I wish this was a bannable offense.
>>139301896
>that shit is incredibly boring and stretching the story to the point of tearing
I think it's interesting so there
>>139301941
There is still some discussion.
>>139301946
>having an opinion I disagree with
>>139301896
>right along those lines to their natural conclusion.
nah, in ep 12 and early-mid Rebellion she's all about how Madoka's sacrifice is holy and just the greatest thing
at the end she does all she can to undo it just because the cheese has finally slid off her cracker, or whatever
>>139301974
plenty infact. just 1-2 sayaka shitposters now and a homu
Would you lick Sayaka's armpits because I would.
>>139302005
she did it for love not cheese. get that shit straight anon
>>139302005
>in ep 12 she's all about how Madoka's sacrifice is holy and just the greatest thing
bruh, Homu was NOT happy about Madoka's decision in ep12. She was pretty vocal about it being bullshit and unfair.
>>139302132
this
>>139302091
>no replies
Phew. Bunch of fags in here.
>>139302122
love is not an excuse to tear your loved ones down from the heavens and trap them in a weirdass puppet world after they save the physical representation of your soul from contamination at the hands of magical aliens
>>139302091
they look smooth.
I wonder what they would taste like
>>139301896
>Homu offing herself wouldn't be boring. It would have been the perfect capstone to her character's story. She was the biggest threat of all to Madoka's happiness.
What the hell are you talking about? Homura is the surviving hope that remembers Madoka and continues the fight, claiming she's a threat and should go die is the biggest BS insult. Are you an incubator?
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Has there ever been a girl in anime this handsome?
>>139302291
Yes it is
>>139302323
Like justice and salty water
>>139302414
Sayaka has nothing to do with justice. It would taste like NTR, whatever that tastes like.
Is it Sayaka-chan's turn?
>everything Homura has done was to protect Madoka physically and emotionally
>Rebellion ultimately leads to Madoka swearing to fight Homura
>Homura realizes that everything she's done up to this point has been completely in vain, and that she has actually become the biggest threat to Madoka's happiness
>her last shred of sanity summons the power to put her gun to her own head
>still smiling like a psycho as tears start to roll down her cheeks
>pulls the trigger
>cut to black with a gunshot and the sound of her soulgem shattering
>Komm Susser Todd starts playing as the credits begin to roll
Literally would have been a perfect ending.
>>139302500
Yes it is, Apple-chan.
>>139302132
Homura's reaction in Ep 12 was like Simon's at the end of TTGL. It completely crushed her inside. And then to be the only one able to remember her besides a little boy? And to have even Kyubey be mildly incredulous upon hearing the story? I think there are a lot of people who, in the same situation, would have preferred to just die right there.
I mean, as far as Homura is concerned, she's completely failed to do what she set out to accomplish, even after spending more than a decade rewriting the past, being driven slowly insane. Madoka's not only not here on her earthly realm, every last trace of her previous existence has been scrubbed away.
l think the grace we see of Homura in that episode is really her straining to hold herself together, because otherwise, she would have just completely fallen apart. And who of us would have blamed her?
>>139302518
would of been gay af
>>139302518
>Madoka goes crazy as she realizes what's happened
>stops doing her cycles thing
>witches start being a thing again
I hated how sweet the ending was to the series
an ending like that might make it a little better
Sayaka-chan is made for _______
>>139302560
Exactly. Her going completely off the deep end in Rebellion was a fine continuation and conclusion of her character.
You image dumpers hit limit in your previous thread and now you're invading this one.
>>139302605
inducing vomiting
>>139302605
justice!
>>139302605
Kyouko, Kyouko's baka
Remiinder that literally everyone hates Homura.
Madoka doesn't love her. It's literal canon.
![[gg]_Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_-_08_[C862183C].mkv_snapshot_21.52_[2011.02.26_12.23.44].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Id4iCKU.jpg "[gg] Puella Magi Madoka Magica - 08 [C862183C].mkv snapshot 21.52 [2011.02.26 12.23.44]")
>>139302501
I'm just saying the truth, Sayaka has very low justice content.
>>139302605
Kyouko-chan!
>>139302602
how can a god go insane?
>>139302662
She was made for Kyousuke, but you say she was made for Kyouko. That means she wasn't made for the Kyou's, but rather to fight against evil.
>>139302613
Yeah. The people who claim that Homura was out of character in Rebellion or that it was some big grim dark twist are dumb. They are just too emotionally involved in having a "good" ending. Equally dumb are the people who think Madoka was perfectly content with her end as well. Rebellion was all telegraphed in episode 12, I don't know why people have such difficulty with it.
>>139302746
idk, how do you pull one down and brainwash it?
rules seem pretty fast and loose
>>139302773
Just saying she belongs with Kyouko, the fuck are you on?
>>139302773
Apple-chan is a hontouni baka.
>>139302839
Sure is
>>139302518
>Implying Homura is not Madoka's happiness.
>>139302246
I'm sorry, I was busy typing that last response.
>>139302613
Homura's story kinda reminds me of Anakin's from the Star Wars prequel trilogy. She's gifted with immense power: The power to control time itself. No other Meguca has the ability to reverse death itself. What greater evil can humans triumph over than that of mortality?
Yet it a tenant of Buddhism that attachment leads to anger, hatred, despair, and most of all, suffering. Homura's attachment to Madoka, while seemingly sweet and pure, is actually the thing that sets Homura up for her descent into evil. She become so obsessed with protecting that which she holds dear, that she slowly becomes willing to do anything, even hurt Madoka herself, to protect her possession of her.
Well that was it for today. Thanks y'all for participating. And as always, keep up the Sayaka-chan love!
>>139302602
I wouldn't mind a super saccharine ending, because the girls went through so much suffering that they earned the right to live happily ever after.
I just dislike how the endings have been so half-assed because they insisted on having ambiguous sequel bait.
If nothing else, the original series was a huge spectacle. It was something that people didn't expect, and kept people talking. By all rights it should have gone out with a bang.
>>139302620
>posts on image board
>doesn't want images to be posted
>>139302620
The Madoka fandom on /a/ deserves its circlejerk with all its tripfags and ack and image dumpers.
>>139302910
She isn't. Homura is always detrimental to Madoka's happiness. Madoka never loved her.
>muh yuri fanfiction
>>139303124
tripfags deserve only death
>>139302807
it was a conflict that made sense though. homura wasn't a witch so madoka couldn't just automatically 1 shot her, and at thesame time, madokas wish was for all wwitches wishes to come true, since homura was previously a witch, her wish came true, protecting madoka by her own means..the only way for that to happen was for homu to become powerful somehow. so she became a demon. it's kind of like a paradox
>>139302835
JUSTICE!
>>139302839
>>139302871
Hai!
>>139303203
Just like Homura.
>>139302910
But it's not. Homura THINKS she is, but she has been blinded to the fact that, whatever Madoka's feelings for her are, she knows her obligation to all humanity is much greater. That's why Madoka says on several occasions near the end that she knows all the people who rely on her, who have a part of their lives wrapped up within her, but she *still* must fufill her destiny, not only for their sake, but for everyone's sake. That is the essence of sacrifice that defines a true Meguca.
Homura on the other hand has lost sight of that, to the point that she seeks to use her power purely for selfish reasons. That is truly the genesis of evil. The power of a Meguca, like all power, often corrupts its users. Homura has now reached the point of, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Pic quote related.
>>139283649
Why is Madokami somade of sex
>>139302999
>I wouldn't mind a super saccharine ending, because the girls went through so much suffering that they earned the right to live happily ever after.
I wouldn't want something ridiculous, but if there is going to be a conclusion, I'dvery much agree that they've earned themselves an ending that they can definitely be happy with. I feel like anyone wishing for a painful conclusion on a handful of gay middle schoolers is a little off in the head.
Can we get a fucking SOL anime already?
>>139303675
>even though Madoka sacrificed herself to keep Magical Girls from becoming witches, we get to watch Homura fall apart and become evil anyways
not awful I guess
>>139303860
The new project will start out that way, I guarantee it. And it will feature a lot of Akuma Homura bullying.
>>139303675
>Saving you was the most best thing I've ever done E10
>After all this time, you were my very best friend E12
>I know I probably can't help, but I wish you'd open up to me. Rebellion
>I'd never want to make someone as strong as you cry. Rebellion
>No matter what happens, Homura-chan is Homura-chan. And I'd never abandon you. Rebellion
>How could I forget Homura? From now on, we'll be together forever. Rebellion
Was it not clear to you, retard? The concept movie only seems to double down on that.
>best song in the OST is just the theme song, played for 2 minutes while a character dances on a DDR machine in an arcade
I don't understand
>>139303935
>bullying the nerd
l need this
>>139303832
The girls have definitely earned a happy ending, but it would also have been perfectly within the tone of the story to have a shocking, tragic end.
Eternal yuri heaven or Homu sudoku - either would have been great. Anything but these limp noodle sequel bait non-endings.
>>139304065
That's not Decretum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcgEHrwdSO4
>>139304083
cute butte
>>139303951
You're making the same mistake again. Homura is a major source of joy to Madoka, but not her only one, and she realizes that sometimes it is an obligation incumbent upon us that even our greatest temporal happiness we sometimes must forgo so that we may fulfill our duty to our fellowman. That more spiritual happiness of doing what is right is the very thing Homura has now deprived Madoka of. It's like if someone had forcibly kidnapped Jesus to prevent him from carrying out his martyrdom.
>>139303860
You got one already, for the first 30 minutes of the movie, and it looked beautiful.
Fuck this shit
>>139304121
>realize Decretum was the wrong song
>go look up Sis Puella Magica!
>see this
HOLY shit
fucking KILL ME
>>139304263
is megucuck the ultimate waifu bait?
why did the ending of rebellion make me cry?
>>139304389
>reading Youtube comments
>ever
you brought this upon yourself.
>>139303675
>>139304168
It's shown time and time again that there is no such thing as an unselfish wish, and that it's better to acknowledge your selfishness.
You seem to think that Madoka's sacrifice has no selfish component. And that Madoka's wish in that it doesn't in someway backfire on her as in every single other magical girl's wish.
Madoka makes it very clear that being separated forever from her family and friends is the worse thing she could imagine. The fact she still visits Tatsuya and gave the ribbon to Homura also shows that giving them up was too painful for her. Urobuchi also clearly stated in an interview that the whole concept of Rebellion starts from the very idea that Madoka, the 14-year old girl can't truly handle the burden of being a God.
Madoka is not happy as she was, she felt forced into it by her selfish conceit that she, herself, must solve the ills of the world. Just because you have the ability to help someone doesn't mean you should do so at the expense of those who loves you. I know this from personal experience.
>>139304121
Yeah, I agree. Ultimately I feel the sequel will either have Madoka stopping Homura from committing suicide once she is defeated and them finding a way to stop working against each other or Madoka, out of guilt, joining Homura in suicide because her adherence to duty lead to what Homura became. Even if it ends tragically, I feel the story can only end with them together.
>>139304466
>joining Homura in suicide
that'd prolly be a little too dark for this show 2bh
I could see Homura attempting to get herself killed, though
What are the megucas' favorite fast food joints?
>Nagi likes Pizza Hut because stuff crust cheese lover's pizza with extra cheese
>Kyouko likes Taco Bell because she can hate Doritos while she eats a taco and its food also has natural laxative qualities
>Madoka likes fancy burger joints like Red Robin or In-N-Out
>Sayaka likes some shitty hipster place that sells $50 burgers because she went there with Kiosk when she was younger
>Mami likes Dairy Queen because of their frozen treats
>Homura likes Subway because it was the only place her parents let her eat, because its food has relatively little fat and she has a bad heart
>>139304389
>FUCKING NORMIES GOING TO COLLEGE REEEEEEE
Stay mad, NEET
>>139304466
>>139304611
I don't think it will be suicide, suicide. In this case it will be shutting themselves away forever from the universe as the permanent law of cycles, incubator manager, or universe maintenance or whatever you want to call it.
>>139304434
>madoka says herself that it would be the worst to be seperated from her family
yea this stuck out for me as well as homu saying "maybe she'll hate you too" at the end of rebellion when talking to sayaka. ..it almost seems like the part of madoka that homura kept on earth was her emotions that blended into her own body even though there is still a physically copy walking around
>>139304678
>>FUCKING NORMIES GOING TO COLLEGE REEEEEEE
Are you literally autistic? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.
>>139304611
>too dark for a show written by Urobutcher
lol
>>139304748
>Are you literally autistic?
I'm not the one screencapping youtube comments, so no.
>>139304851
>damage control instead of admitting you made a mistake
Thank you for proving my point.
>>139304678
Homura probably had no fast food pre-magical girl. She would probably like the greasiest shit ever afterwards.
>>139304434
I never said her sacrifice had no selfish component. What I said was that she put the greater, higher joy of service to others over the lower, lesser happiness of personal hedonism.
That is, in a sense, self serving, but I decline to call it selfish, not only in the PMMM world, but also in my personal experiences. Selfless to me means not whether an act carries no benefit to oneself, but rather if that benefit comes directly from a benefit to others.
Humans are social beings, and as such we are hard-wired to have empathy and compassion. We are happy to donate money to charity, because we reflect within ourselves how much more joy will be gained by the recipient than that we lose directly by parting with it (in economics, marginal utility). The happiness of others becomes our own. That is real altruism.
>>139304945
>Humans are social beings, and as such we are hard-wired to have empathy and compassion. We are happy to donate money to charity, because we reflect within ourselves how much more joy will be gained by the recipient than that we lose directly by parting with it (in economics, marginal utility). The happiness of others becomes our own. That is real altruism.
I agree with you, but you should never give so much of yourself to strangers that you actively harm those who love you. In the end, you will cause suffering for all of your loved ones, and if you are willing to do that, did you really love them? It is because we are social beings, that we must support those in our social group first and foremost.
>>139304678
homura eats beans and rice
madoka eats eggs
kyubei eats ______
>>139305151
the virginities of cute girls
>>139304681
I mean ultimately Gen wouldn't let them have their cake and eat it too. Even though it's miserable, or at least a tremedous burden, and lonely being the LoC. Even if Madoka has to go back, I'd assume Homura would be more than happy being the one to keep her company for eternity. For as flexible as Madoka is, her wish is very specific and inflexible and for as inflexible as Homura is, the parameters of her wish are very flexible.
Homura deserves to die and not ever be with Madoka. I can't wait for the sequel so Madoka kills her.
>>139305433
edgey
>>139305501
It's not edgy to want justice.
>>139305106
I remember in Star Trek when Picard says that if people felt the loss of distant people as acutely as they did that of those close to them, that much of the tragedy in human history would have been avoided.
Is it not possible, anon, for me to say that I love my friends and family dearly, but my love for God and all of humanity is even greater? Can I not honestly say that if I felt my death would save a thousand, a hundred, or even merely ten, that I would lay it down in an instant? Is that really so incompatible, or so inconceivable that I can imagine no better way to die than in service to others?
>>139305580
but dont you want to protect her smile?
>>139305175
Kyubey is the enemy of women!
>>139305662
Yes, by killing Homura.
>>139305580
But anon, Homura is justice. She loves the goddess enough to bring her back, brought the girls back to life, provides them a chance at happiness, and punishes Kyubey for his crimes.
>>139305826
>homu-chan~ is for the people
>mfw
>>139305668
That's one way of putting it.
>>139305826
>tore the goddess, defiled her soul and brainwashed her to satisfy her obsession
>destroyed heaven and created hell on earth that she admitted to planning to destroy
>brainwashes them and torments them from the shadows
>punishes Kyubey for trying to save the universe
>>139305826
>brought the girls back to life
nah, she just wandered around watching them get wasted over and over, until she fucked up so much the universe was rewritten
>>139305986
>save the universe
>he fell for the dank maymays
>>139305620
>Is it not possible, anon, for me to say that I love my friends and family dearly, but my love for God and all of humanity is even greater?
It's possible, but it's a mental disorder. Like I said I know this from experience. I have to keep things vague because there were news articles, but I know a charity manager who helped thousands, but neglected her own children. Those children grew up mentally damaged and caused lots of harm to others because she neglected her duty to raise them. We have a duty to those we love first than to those who are distant next. If we love all equally then we are no different from the Incubators, who view the sacrifice of any human as worthwhile if it benefits others. Your belief is silly in the PMMM context, if you truly believed what you are saying you should side with Kyubey not Madoka.
>>139306059
I'm surprised it took almost 300 replies for that image to come out.
>>139306076
I don't side with Kyubey because a) I don't believe him, and b) he takes from others by deceit. Madoka's sacrifice was made meaningful by the fact that she, unlike many Magucas before her, was able to learn the truth. Even then, she willingly gave up all her worldly things, including her own body and the memory of her, out of her own free will. The Incubators took, but by nature they could not give, and what they took they took by deceit.
If loving others is a "rare mental disorder", as QB puts it, I say, then let me be crazy!
>>139302605Homura
>>139302605
suffering
>>139306379
yea well, up until now no one seemed to have been shilled. there's always one it seems
>>139306379
You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Loving others is not the issue. Loving others more than yourself is not the issue. Loving everyone equally is the issue, it simply can't be done if you are a healthy human being, if you love all equally then you love no one equally. Love only has value if other feelings to others can exist.
The Incubators have no problem giving their bodies to others of their own free will either, because they have no capability to love.
If you believe that Kyubey is a total liar in every way, that there aren't consequences to the universe and that the human/Incubator relationship provided no benefits to humanity, then Madoka's wish is a waste and did not really help much as it did not deal with him. Homura is therefore doing a better job both by establishing herself over the Incubators, and by making her goal to eliminate the wraiths. Madoka's universe is not optimal if Kyubey is a liar.
>>139306662
>if you love everyone equally then you love no one equally
>it can't be done
>>139306808
The cup is half full is the same as the cup is half-empty.
>>139306831you didn't previously tell me you could talk
>>139302613
>>139302790
It's not really a perfect good ending, but a bittersweet one. Homura still failed in the end, and Madoka and Sayaka are gone. But Madoka leaves behind hope in the end and keeps magical girls from despairing (though human nature itself is not changed hence why the wraiths exist).
The reason why people didn't like Rebellion is not because of Homura's character, but how it takes away what the message of the ending of the anime had as well (you're not alone and there is hope).
With Rebellion towards the end, there's no hope nor despair, just...nothing. Nothing but wondering what happened with little explanation as to what it changes. It makes no sense. It makes as much sense as a bad fanfic, and that's all it is.
>>139306662
I can express my love towards others differently without loving them differently (though I never claimed to love everyone equally).
Also, one can love even a serial killer, but if you were to love everyone the same amount, you would have no hesitation slitting his neck, because you can not let one person endanger multiple others. It may pain you to do it, but you will do it swiftly, and without regret.
Good is not always nice, anon.
>>139307097
>but how it takes away what the message of the ending of the anime had as well (you're not alone and there is hope)
I think your problem is expecting a message. One never existed in the first place, you just imagined it.
I miss ED1.
>>139307301
>I think your problem is expecting a message. One never existed in the first place, you just imagined it.
There was that text overlay at the very end about how madoka is always with you, but I always wondered if that was just jammed into it in response to the whole earthquake/tsunami thing.
>>139307171
>though I never claimed to love everyone equally
You said
>I love my friends and family dearly, but my love for God and all of humanity is even greater?
Either that means you love everyone, all humanity, equally, or you love your friends and family even less than everyone else which sounds rather cruel.
>Also, one can love even a serial killer, but if you were to love everyone the same amount, you would have no hesitation slitting his neck, because you can not let one person endanger multiple others. It may pain you to do it, but you will do it swiftly, and without regret.
Exactly. That's Incubator logic where cause and effect, and total numbers is all that matters. All that matters is the potential number of other sentient beings they can effect, which as an advanced race means that Incubators are much more valuable than some 14-year old girls.
>>139307386
the first time I saw the EP9 credits was probably closest I've been to tears since I was 12 years old over a decade ago
something about the music, I was fine until pic related come up
>>139307481
I said "all humanity", that means in aggregate. I may love a family member more than a single stranger, but I would not just stand by and let one harm the other. The Unabomber was ultimately caught (and he could have easily been executed) with the assistance of his own brother. He admitted he was torn, but in the end he knew there was only one right answer.
>>139307686
>koko no iru yu
>koko no iru yo
>>139307301
So it's just pure entertainment then and put in randomly with no meaning
>>139307686
>caring about ep9 when the next episode is one of the greatest episodes of television ever aired
>>139308138
>the feels of Ep 9 don't count because the next episode was good
>>139308138
But lesbians!
>>139308243
Exactly.
>>139308493
Homu is a bigger homo than Sayaka and Kyouko combined.
>>139308138I like Episode 9 more than Episode 10.
>>139308578
Homu is a bigger homo than everyone combined.
>>139308138
>retconned in Rebellion that everything was always Homura's fault, her wish was selfish and loveless, and she was the villain all along
Since the entire franchise is built on the idea of setting up its viewers then crushing their hopes and dreams (and then possibly making them a little happy afterwards), there must be at least one soul-crushing swerve coming.
So what is it?
>>139309182
Madoka never loved Homura.
Oh wait, that's canon and a good thing we all want.
More likely Homura will murder one of Sayaka or Kyoko out of hate.
>>139309182
Mami is the first to discover the secret of Homura's Potempkin-universe.
She resolves to stop Homu, save Madoka, and restore the Law of Cycles, no matter what she has to do.
After a tearful farewell to Nagisa, Mami marches off to confront Homura.Homura kills her. For good.
>>139306448
>>139305623
Just a friendly reminder that you're cancer and everyone hates you because you have made everyone lose out on content for the fandom.
>>139309319
They've both already died once, it's nbd at this point
>>139309484
They won't come back, and Madoka will kill her for it. Homura has no hope to be redeemed since she's pure evil itself.
>>139309563
Don't link a source like always.
>>139309348I've suspected the same thing. Why else spam Mami in Newtype?
>>139309589
It's a prediction. That said, Madoka never loved Homura.
>>139309348
>>139309319
Those would be sad, but I don't know if they would be as gutting as what we've seen.
I was thinking more like Madoka transcends Homura, forgives her and there is a tearful reunion, they embrace and Madoka straight up murders her. Because >>139309563. I don't know how Mami fits in.
>>139309616
Sure, I believe you.
>>139309689
A good ending is everyone lives and Homura dies like she fucking deserves, slut. If they want suffering someone will die at her treacherous hands.
>>139309713
It's canon, rewatch it. Madoka hates Homura.
>>139308243
>Homura's long built up to fight against Walpurgisnacht in episode 11 is completely overshadowed by airing episode 12 immediately after
>>139309182
Homura goes more and more crazy, the girls see through her world, they+magical Hitomi end up fighting her, Homura might end up wounding or killing one, ascends to god-status as the evil/chaotic counterpoint to Madoka's magical girl jesus
>>139309779
No, it really isn't.
>>139309881
Prove otherwise. Madoka never once shows love for Homura that isn't fake pity or under brainwashing.
>>139309779
I guess Homura murdering one of the girls just seems kinda bland. Maybe if it's an innocent. Like Madoka's family.
We're going for fist-shaking NOOOOO kind of moments, after all.
>>139305433
>>139305723
>>139309319
>>139309348
Holy fuck shit. Do you get aroused when you imagine a little girl kills another little girl or something?
Why are you craving some sort of battle royal so bad? It literally hurts to see. What's wrong with you.
>>139309933
I don't need to, rewatch the show.
>>139309935
I can see Homura murdering Tatsuya because Madoka lives him and not her.
>>139309944
All I want is a bloody death and eternal damnation for Homura like she deserves.
>>139309944
>Do you get aroused when you imagine a little girl kills another little girl or something?
Knowing that this is 4chan, probably.
P.S.: Nice digits
>>139309944
I don't want to see Homura kill Mami, but if they're trying to pull their typical bait-and-switch with the new promotional material, that's certainly a viable option.
>>139309182Mami dies fifteen minutes in
Welp. Guess it wasn't about her at all again, was it.
>>139310038
Tatsuya sounds about right.
Whatever the horror, it doesn't have to be unthinkably irrational or unjustifiable after the fact, none of the swerves so far have been. It just has to be "unthinkable" in that moment, an "anything but that".
>>139310162
I might actually laugh if that happened.
>>139310082
Homura hates Mami and is mega jealous of her. It could happen, Homubitch is a murderous bitch who has killed before.
>>139310038
>>139309935
>homu murdering madoka's family
Too cartoonishly evil.
>I guess Homura murdering one of the girls just seems kinda bland.
I think they could sell it with the right direction, though killing Mami to convey the severity of the situation would be incredibly lazy since that's all Mami's ever done.
It's kind of bailing out a sinking ship, though. There shouldn't even be another movie.
>>139310210
nah, Homura will end up being redeemable at the end. Something that is awful, but in self defense while she's doing something shitty or something like that.
I can't imagine the kid trying anything.
>>139310283
Homura is cartoonishly evil. Jrobuchi considers her a joke villain in how awful and loveless she is. Japan hates her for her loveless soul.
>>139310039
A walking sayak is walking
>>139310346
It's also possible that they'll try to milk ANOTHER movie out of it, thus leaving us with two recap movies and a trilogy of new content.
>>139310346
Homura is pure selfish obsession and has never had any love in her heart. She can't be redeemed, she never had hope to begin with.
>>139310425
They'll be another TV series about different timelines or some BS before it's all said and done. Probably Oriko Magica. and some prequel movie about Kyoko and Mami and some witch.
Too much cash on the table.
>>139309689
Maybe the real tragedy is how Madoka breaks after having to kill Homura. Like she does it with full assurance that Homu is pure evil, only to have an unmistakable show of her humanity as she dies.
That's inelegant and unsurprising as ideas go, though.
>>139310346
>implying Homura needs redemption
Homura will become even more justified than she already is.
>>139310576
God, you know it's an interesting movie when everyone's spoilering it all over the place, yet you still can't figure out how it goes.
>>139310210
>I might actually laugh if that happened.
It honestly needs to happen. Everyone seems to be forgetting that that was her point as a character. I wouldn't be surprised if something like that happens in the new movie; we obviously need to be reminded.
>>139310728
Madoka a cute.
>mfw Homuhater gets BTFO because Shinbo will make the sequel literally a Hidamari Magica where everyone just lives happy
Homuhater should just pray the return of the edgemaster aka Gen.
>>139310728
No, I'd agree with you there. And it's sufficiently swervy.
After all, it's always been about messing with expectations, not just about straight tragedy or trying to be smarter the audience.
>>139310827
He is working on it and he said long ago Homura will continue doing evil until Madoka, full of HATE FOR HER, ends her miserable life of sin.
>>139310643
Watch it now, tripfag.
>>139310643
You haven't seen Rebellion yet?
>>139310643
He's right tripfag. The production notes are very forgiving of Homura.
>>139311125
Homura honestly had no choice. The only other option was to let the incubators keep doing experiments on other magical girls, until they finally find a way to use Madoka, and allow witches to form again.
>>139311125
You mean the ones that show she ruined everything for a selfish obsession and nobody was her friend ever?
>>139310871
Yeah, subverting expectations is kind of the series' mainstay. Still, as much as I want something like this to happen, they'll need to actually make it seem fresher than how it went down the first time. Maybe all of the stuff we've seen so far, with her face in the forefront, is part of it.The first time I saw Rebellion, I thought she'd lose her head again while watching the cake scene.
>>139310643
I lurked threads for a while before watching Rebellion and it still got me.I thought all of the Devilmura stuff was just fan art
>>139310890
I seriously hope you are not currently cosplaying as Homura and not self-harming your precious body with a box-cutter or an edged tool.
>>139311223
Completely agree.
>>139309478
It's not losing out if they're gaining something
>>139311255
>I thought all of the Devilmura stuff was just fan art
I was jerkin it to some doujinshi when the devil showed up. I thought it was something the author cooked up.
I also spoiled the twist in the series the same way...
>>139311286
I'm not ugly enough to cosplay Shitmura.
>>139311255
Before the movie came out I wondered that kind of direction they could take the story, and the idea of Homura working against Madokami occurred to me as a possible choice, though I didn't think Shaft would have the balls to make their most popular character evil. My very first Rebellion spoiler was a shot of production art of Devil Homu.
My first thought was: "Damn, they actually did it."
>>139311488
>I didn't think Shaft would have the balls to make their most popular character evil.
They didn't though. She's more pathetic than evil by the end.
>>139311540
but the devil is more pathetic than evil in that other book
>>139311540
She really is, isn't she. Like it doesn't feel like she's this bad-ass scoundrel who just "did what had to be done" so much as this insecure angry emo mess who's fronting pretty hard.
That is. If you don't believe her.
>>139311540
She's both. A failure who was never loved andnever loved anyone, who ruined everything to keep her obsession to herself. She deserves to die so Madoka can finally be happy.
>>139311540
Evil can be pathetic. In fact, it often is.
>>139311540
This:
>>139311596
Though in Milton, the Devil just comes off as this vain, petty little shit. Homura is just an awful tangle of self-loathing.
>>139311725
Homura hates everyone but herself. She blames them for her own shit. She blames Madoka for her not ever loving her.
>>139311767
>homura
>not hating herself
Did you watch the same movie I did?
Don't you guys think you're selling her off a little harsh? I mean yeah, there's that one guy that posts the same tired shit in every thread, but to you guys actually taking part in the current discussion- calling her "evil" and actually comparing her to the devil is a little much considering what actually happened.
>>139311897
She's pure hate and evil for those around her. She hates them for getting in her way and not doing what she wanted. She hates them and blames them for her troubles.
She never suffered, she made THEM suffer.
So I just finished watching the anime for the first time and absolutely loved it. The twists were kind of obvious and I saw them coming but I still loved it anyway.
Anyway, I haven't watched Rebellion yet and I don't know if I should. Usually, the oavs and movies kind of ruin the anime especially if it had a good ending, like Magica Madoka, where I felt it didn't need more. For instance the oav and movie for Steins;Gate were pretty meh and didn't add anything, same for Kara no Kyoukai epilogue and Mirai Fuikin. So my question is, should I watch Rebellion? I don't care about cute girls doing cute things and the visuals or the music (they were great in the anime though), I just wanna know if it adds anything of value to the story or if it's just some cash grab fan service movie with stupid story just to please the fans?
>>139311725
Why is it that others call these threads cancer, when we're discussing parallels with Milton and Goethe, while they're discussing what their waifus' feet taste like?
>>139311944
nah
but she is at odds with the remaining characters, so she's becoming more of an antagonist than anything.
Even if she is a pretty nicely done and engaging antagonist due to how familiar the viewer is with how she thinks and what her motives are.
>>139312051
Dude, watch it. Opinions on it is pretty split, personally I think it's better than the series.
>>139311944
She destroyed heaven and murdered everyone in it to tear god apart and brainwash her to be her property forever out of loveless obsession. She's worse than the devil.
>>139312126
She is pure evil. Everyone wants her DEAD.
>>139312108
Most of the time we don't talk about Milton and Goethe. Tonight is a rare exception. Enjoy it while it lasts.
>>139312051
It definitely adds something to the story. Whether you'll like what it adds is a completely different question.
>>139295045
>>139295497
Finished the anime, and... what was that glorious clusterfuck I just witnessed.
Are the first two movies really just the anime pieced together differently, and not worth watching?
>>139311540
They did though, Homura pretty much pseudo-rapes the goddess, and her role is to dominate reality. How is that pathetic? She doesn't take shit from anyone.
>>139311656
>>139311663
>>139311725
The greatest failure seems to be the fan base. You guys just can't take it seriously. Homura is not pathetic, this is your projection.
>>139312210
>Everyone wants her DEAD
But I don't.
>>139312126
While she's definitely antagonistic, "evil" doesn't necessarily apply. And out of anyone else in the series, Madoka has, in a sense, seen everything Homura's been through.
>>139312141
>it's better than the series.
While I hardly so much as dislike the movie, that's kind of a stretch.
>>139312210
Can't you at least try harder?
>>139312254
yeah just skip to Rebellion
>>139311389
>>139312284
Oi, stop this as well as replying to yourself.
>>139312341
But I'm not replying to myself
>>139312304
Everything I say is true. Madoka never loved her and never will forgive her rotted soul.
>>139312254
Basically. You might give them a try if you want to rewatch the series.
>>139312141
>better than the series
Like that other anon, I liked the movie, but the series was better overall. I still have some issues with Rebellion's execution, namely that they could have done a better job explaining Homu's motivation in the script, rather than just the crazy InuCurry symbolism.
>>139312436
Just stop posting altogether or the least you could do is stop replying with any crack pair.
>>139312522
Alright, sure.
>>139312254
>Finished the anime 7.5 hours later
a-are you ok anon?
>>139312621
See how you're trying to spite me?
Why do you feel it's necessary to try and bait?
Are you really just this much of an asshole?
Feel free to answer this without an image, thank you.
Watch out, cracked pair of all incoming.
>>139312522
>there are dipshits who think Madoka actually loves Homura
>there are dipshits who think Homura isn't the most hated character
>there are dipshits who think Madoka Magica has yuri in it
>there are dipshits who think Homura ever did a single good thing and isn't a selfish bitch with a selfish wish and an obsession
>there are dipshits who think Homura is a hero and not a villain who consistently ruined everything
>there are dipshits who think Sayaka no longer loves Kyosuke when she cries seeing him with Hitomi
>there are dipshits who think the new movie won't be about the girls killing Homura and ending her reign of evil
>>139312738
>there are dipshits who spam madoka threads with this garbage
>>139312738
Homura, please fuck off.. Anons are trying to discuss the flavor of your feet.
>>139312738
>there are dispshits who keep this up for two years and counting
>>139312734
>>139312738
Full rapid shitposter is what you are, it's honestly sad that you behave like this.
>>139312866
>You reposting fan art is also not giving the fandom anything.
I'm enjoying it. My folder is thin.
>>139312801
>>139312828
>>139312830
>>139312834
>>139312866
But everything in there is true.
>>139312734
Is it weird that Kyouske gives off a "gay" vibe to me?
I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if he came out of the closet to Hitomi, and the conversation they had with Sayaka spying on them was just them agreeing to stay friends because of it.
He plays the violin for reasons other than impressing girls, for fuck sake. Men don't play a violin unless they want to fuck some girl, or they're gay.
Does this not look like the face of a boy praying for a good dicking?
>>139312904
Glad to know someone appreciates me.
And this isn't crack. This is a canon ship
>>139313019
No. Go back to >>>/y/ please, you goddamn fujo.
>>139311540
She's more sexy than anything by the end.
Madoka threads: threads that are constantly ruined and shit on by the same shipfags, an autistic bot people refer to as "homu hater", this insane dipshit >>139312866 and is also a place typically inundated by tripfags- the only one of which that actually adds to any discussion lately is fucking named "derp commander".
Jesus fuck.
>>139313090
It's canon crack.
>>139313158
Madoka never loved Homura.
>>139313158
No they're fucking ruined by you, you fucking piece of shit low-life NEET
>>139313158
That's how we like it here. Fuck away off to a Bleach thread if you want intelligent discussion.
>>139313083
>Anyone who disagrees with me is the same person.
>>139313090
>>139313197
Trying so hard to piss people off and yet failing in doing so.
You're such a waste of oxygen.
>>139313092
buty?
>>139313197
>canon crack
Isn't that an oxymoron?
Hello guys.
Since when does the term Kyousaya start to refer Kyouko Sayaka not Kyousuke Sayaka?
I don't think making Mami the protagonist of the new project is a wrong idea. The anime and sequel movie
had Homura as the protagonist of her own storyline, and now that she's this apparent evil entity that's possessing
Madoka, I see no reason to make her the protagonist again, more like the antagonist.
Also Rebellion did put Mami into this important position where she's the only one capable of opposing Homura
years of combat experience.
So it's either Mami or maybe, maybe Madoka as finally the protagonist of her own series.
>>139313019
You're not Asian, are you.
>>139313332
>maybe Madoka as finally the protagonist of her own series.
That would definitely make more sense than Mami as the main character. Mami Tomoe is more removed from the rest of the cast than any other meguca in the show.
>>139313399
I'd be suprised if a fifth of the people here are asian.
But no, to answer your question. I'm a fucking white male.
Where are my Apples?
>since the other thread is an tripfag, jpg shitpost dump
Madoka threads are shitposting threads at this point, might as well embrace it.
The worst threads on /a/ these days are madoka threads
>>139313332
Mami was able to fight on equal terms with Homu because Homu was depressed and half-assed the fight. She couldn't win a straight up fight with a motivated Homu, much less omnipotent sexually frustrated edgemaster Homu.
>>139313474
But Madoka is so damn one-dimensional it's not even funny.
A movie where you watch her try to solve problems would be infuriating
>>139313529
!Akemi, why do you take such pride in you below average photoshop skills?
>>139313529
Apples are sleeping. Please wait warmly.
>>139313551
Could you imagine how great it would be if the mods actually did their job and fixed this? And yes, that means banning the crack shitposters who are breaking the rules.
>>139313566
>But Madoka is so damn one-dimensional it's not even funny.
Less could be said about Mami, actually, and her relevance to the show. Where Madoka's an equation perpetuated by the actual main character, Mami serves as nothing more than an example in the show itself, super early on. The fact that she beat Homura in rebellion in that one fight means literally nothing in the scope of the story itself.
>>139313580
But I didn't make this
>>139313611
But I don't wanna wait!
>>139313551
Which is sad that they have stoop so low.
To think they wouldn't have this rep if certain people were to just give these threads a rest 'till there was something new to actually discuss.
>>139313566
She's not even a character. She's the suitcase in Pulp Fiction. Next movie should just be Wraith Arc.
>>139313761
Wraith Arc is pretty awful though. There's a reason it was an aborted arc.
>>139313750
I think they're pretty good, but yeah. If Homuhater and Anticrack left, these threads would be so much better
>>139313327
pls respond ;_;
>>139313870
>Black and blue
If you're going to post crack, can you atleast do red and yellow or black and yellow?
>>139313703
Mami at least has potential. There's the side she shows proteges and friends where she's really nice and polite, the parts where she's super lonely. Part where she thought about killing Homura.
And since there hasn't been 12 full episodes and a movie of her being a flat character, they could more naturally flesh her out.
>>139313327
KyouSaya = Kyouko + Sayaka
Sayauske = Kyousuke + Sayaka
>>139313870
I hate how you purposely reply to posts that are obviously directed towards you as a pathetic excuse to post more crack.
You're what's the problem because you're the one who forces a thread everyday to continue your shitfest.
>>139313922
But black and blue is the best!
>>139313842
They can always rewrite.
I just need more Homu tbqh
>>139313616
mods have already determined they are not breaking any rules.
>crack kun spending yet another weekday screaming about crack instead of going to work/school
Yawn.
>>139313998
But the person who IS breaking the rules is the jackass who keeps bitching all the time.
>>139313922
>>139313969
It's honestly sad how desperate you are, you don't even have to reply to yourself to post crack.
You're low enough to spam it without any concerns because you'll get away with your flooding.
>>139314030
Quit bringing up this meta shit too, it has no relation to Madoka not that these threads are already horribly off-topic.
>>139313925
The only character in the series that feels flat is Madoka. But I agree. If the new movie plot is the opposition of Homura, then there's no better person here than Mami.
>>139313925
>Mami
>flat
hue
>>139313982
>I just need more Homu tbqh
She's a, if not the, main character and the antagonist of the new project. You will see plenty of her.
>>139313347
It's because you're a paranoid fuck. More than one person can have the same opinion.
>>139313566
She hasn't been terribly exciting, no, but she's not featureless, she's just mundane in a special world. That's not really so bizarre in shoujo, though, because it's usually boys who feel a pressing need to have some sort of special skill or character trait that makes them a snowflake. Or who need their MCs to be that way, anyhow.
Usually what makes a protagonist like that "special" is that they're basically good, well-meaning and often clumsy, under-average and unremarkable people who haven't found their way yet, but then through their relationships to others find purpose and passion and fulfillment and eventually elevate to the special they found for themselves.
You learn who they are almost entirely through the way they interact with the people and forces around them, and not through their achievements, abilities and accomplishments.
>>139313998
They're blatantly baiting, spamming, flooding and even abusing the fact in doing so.
That's straight up shitposting.
>>139313347
Why would anyone argue with you? You obviously don't want to change your mind, so you're expecting us to waste our time even though you're not willing to admit that you might be wrong. Who would do that? Even if you thought about it for two seconds no one would waste their time trying to argue with you.
>>139314089
If we're just talking opposition here, Sayaka would make far more sense than Mami.
If the new movie just devolves into a fucking power battle fight I will be so pissed. And that's what will happen if they really go through with Mami being the main character. Because that's all she's there for in the story.
>>139313932
>sayausuke
Sounds a bit baka
The fact that no matter what happens Nadoka will never love Homura and will kill her fills me with hope.
>>139314085
Nobody brought this "meta shit" up in the first place. It didn't stop crack kun from screaming constantly about how the mods are conspiring to turn /a/ into a crack heaven or whatever paranoid delusion he has at that time.
>>139314337
I mean, you could just type out SayakaxKyousuke, but then again, where's the fun in that?
>>139314437
Well Nadoka isn't in this series. Sorry man.
Madoka, on the other hand, loves Homura very much and will pardon her "sins".
>>139314287
The idea of Sayaka fighting Homura was a joke then and its a joke now. At least Mami has a track record of subduing Homura.
>>139314058
who, you mean the guy who keeps screaming about "muh crack posters"?
>>139314161
You are blatantly baiting, spamming, flooding and even abusing the fact in doing so.
That's straight up shitposting.
See? Two can play the same game. Not hard. All you have to do is point at someone, accuse them of being a shitposter, and then complain that the mods are conspiring against you because they won't ban the shitposter for you.
>>139314472
Personally, I'm convinced that crack-kun has been *smoking* crack.
>>139314550
Yes, precisely.
>>139314593
>Personally, I'm convinced that crack-kun has been *smoking* crack.who says I'm not?
>>139314287
>If the new movie just devolves into a fucking power battle fight I will be so pissed.
I doubt it will. At the end of the day, PMMM is very dialogue driven and neither endings were acheives through fighting. There will probably be a flashy fight with Mami, but there's no way it will end or be decided by said fight.
Why dont the incubators throw magical girls into tentacle pits to generate energy?
>>139314664
I didn't mean you, obviously.
>>139314058
But the people who are at fault are the assholes who spam and flood the thread with crack out of spite.
I'm done, I can't speak anymore.
It just makes matters worse anyway; fuck these threads.
>>139314538
That's missing the point entirely, though. This isn't a battle shonen. Madoka isn't about who the most badass character is.
>>139314676
I hope you're right, anon. I'm probably being very cynical.
>>139314287
I was also hugely considering Sayaka. As I see it, if either yellow, blue or red become protagonists, the remaining two are bound to become relevant.
>If the new movie just devolves into a fucking power battle fight I will be so pissed. And that's what will happen if they really go through with Mami being the main character
That's a very shallow way of seeing things. Writers could easily take this new movie as a chance to fully develop Mami in new ways, after all she's no longer a lonely person, so new aspects of her personality can be explored now.
>>139314721
Is this it? Did we finally get rid of him?
>>139314677
Because you can't induce emotional despair in a teenage girl by giving her a good hard dicking.
>>139314145
great post desu
>>139314703
You mean Anti-Crack-kun, then?
>>139314759
Pray to the goddess that it is soI'm not sure if this is "too lewd", but I'm going to assume it isn't because nothing is showing
>>139314811
I FORGOT TO SPOIL IT FUCK
>>139314743
You're right in the fact that if they go this route, they will most likely take the opportunity to build on her character more, which will be great.
>after all she's no longer a lonely person
I think that remains to be seen in the current world state. A lot of what happened in Rebellion has either been reset or forgotten by most the cast.
>>139314742
>That's missing the point entirely, though. This isn't a battle shonen. Madoka isn't about who the most badass character is.
But Sayaka is always shown to be an all around bad hero.
>>139314759
ahahahahahaahah no
>>139314811
I just call him crack-kun, because that's all he ever spouts.
>>139314843
Then calm down, delete the file, and repost it spoilered.
>>139314878
>A lot of what happened in Rebellion has either been reset or forgotten by most the cast.
Not really. Everyone is set and paired off at the end of the film except Madoka and Homura.
>>139314786
but endless rape can induce emotional despair
>>139314887
>But Sayaka is always shown to be an all around bad hero.
That's true, but Sayaka's kind of a strange situation when I try to compare it to the other characters in the show. At this point in the story she's technically dead, or is existing in some kind of post-mortem state where she's been reincarnated (?) through Madoka. Homura hasn't appeared to have retroactively changed that fact, since we could see Sayaka's witch even in the last scenes.
>>139314960
Fair enough. That does change it up a bit now that I think of it.
>>139313332
Nope. Homura will be protagonist again
The posters are bait, just like the posters for Rebellion were
>>139315043
>At this point in the story she's technically dead, or is existing in some kind of post-mortem state where she's been reincarnated (?)
She was brought back to life due to her being in range to Homura's spell which indirectly brought her and Nagisa back to life.
>>139315036
or worse
>>139315167
>homu
>male
>ever
Change that to Sayaka, canon dick eater
>>139315127
>She was brought back to life due to her being in range to Homura's spell which indirectly brought her and Nagisa back to life.
You mean that thing that appeared to have covered the entire universe? Yeah, I think a lot of people happened to be in range of that. I'm not really sure that has anything to do with Sayaka's current state, though. She clearly even remembered Madoka and what Homura had done, before Homura seemingly erased that part of her memory directly.
>>139315233
>you mean the one that covered the whole universe
kek
but madoka is homu's universe. why didn't she just ejaculate her darkness onto her
>>139314878
Call me crazy, but I honestly don't want a major fight scene between anyone in the next film. I hope things can, at least mostly, be resolved without anyone dying or trying to kill each other.
>The cast, beginning with Sayakafor obvious reasonsbegin to realize things are wrong with the universe
>eventually discover what Homura did to the universe
>realize that she did it because x number of time loops plus witching out in her own soul gem drove her mad with self loathing
>realize LoC is still a thing so she didn't really harm anyoneexcept Kyubey
>everyoneyes, even Sayakaforgives Homura as a result
>try and convince her that she isn't the epitome of evil and desirelet's face it, she's the only one that really believes that
>Homura goes in attack mode, hoping it'll make them hate her again (considering the entire universe was designed to be her punishment, a la 100% SUFFERING)
>dodge but don't engage
>Madoka remember's she's god
>regains powers and memory
>remembers what Homura went through
>convinces her that she isn't evil and that she saved everyoneshe did
>Homu and the cast ascend to heaven as angels
>Kyubey still btfo
>end credits
Why can't we have this?
>>139315233
>I'm not really sure that has anything to do with Sayaka's current state, though.
Sayaka's current state is that her memory is fading and that she's only vaguely aware tha she was once part of a higher entity.
She also antagonizes Homura 'cause she's a devil.
>>139315212
Fuck off
>>139315426
i wont be properly satisfied unless QB gets an appropriate death. no half assed "le erased from the universe indirectly" shit. he must be punished
>>139315568
but he didn't do anything wrong
>>139315426
>>139315568
>Madoka Magica
>no soul wrenching suffering
I'm looking forward to pic related in the next filmYOU CAN'T GET OFF THE RIDE
>>139315603
Logic tells us that you are correct.
Emotion tells us that you are wrong.
>>139315426
Too happy. I love Homura but a completely happy ending doesn't suit her or the tone of this series. A bittersweet ending would be more fitting.
>>139315603
He was eventually going to let our planet in ruin due to Gretchen's impact.
>>139315715
>a single planet is more important than the fate of the universe
Please try and be considerate of anything that lives outside your little speck.
>>139315929
Our lives matter.
>>139312254
The movies are pretty amazing to watch. Visuals are nice and music. Nothing new though.
>>139315956
>Nothing new
A few scenes added.
>>139316000
I think there was two that were added in movie 2. No new scenes were added in movie 1. Scenes were only taken away.
>>139315942
More than the lives of others?
Your planet currently has a population of approximately seven billion human individuals. There are over a hundred billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy alone.
Each of those stars could harbor planets capable of life. Life capable of building kingdoms and civilizations with their own history and culture, which could very well have lasted longer or be greater than anyone on Earth has achieved.
Each of these civilizations harbor their own mothers, fathers, children. Families. Innocents.
Tell me, are their souls worth any less than yours? Should they all perish simply because you want to survive just a little while longer?
>>139315603
you must of forgot about this
he's a smug little shit andhomura-samais going to strike him down when it's all said and done
>>139316174
Please understand that I am incapable of being "smug". That would imply that your suffering amuses me, which it does not. Emotion is something we simply cannot experience.
>>139316163
You're implying that our lives are worthless, which is sinply not true. Sadly, that's something you're unable to comprehend,xeno.
>>139316255
>claims to be incapable of being smug
>posts Kyubey smug.jpg
I'm getting mixed messages here
>>139316255
>implying you aren't a smug bastard seed
>>139316351
How am I implying that? Surely your lives have meaning and purpose; a mere glance at your species would prove this.
However, there are other species, other civilizations throughout the universe that very much wish to continue living as well. Without using Earth to gather energy, the universe, along with every kingdom and empire to have ever risen, will crumble and cease to exist for eternity. This includes yours.
Once again, there are seven billion human individuals on Earth. But do you truly believe seven billion is a high number? There are planets with civilizations whose populations dwarf your own in comparison. These individuals are just as intelligent and capable of emotion as you are. In some cases, even more so. But, I don't expect that to matter much to you. Your comment shows your ignorance to other species blatantly.
Lastly, humans (adolescent girls to be precise) are the most efficient subjects for gathering energy for the universe. Do you understand what that means? It means we get the most energy for the least amount of casualties. By choosing humanity to collect energy from, we are keeping the number of individuals we must contract with at a minimum, sparing a maximum number of lives.
What you would have me do is deliberately bring suffering to an unneeded number of individuals simply so your singular civilization can prosper, while the others suffer around you. Does that not seem selfish? Does it not sound evil?
Do you even know what that word means? Truly?
>>139316509
That expression was granted to me to maximize effectiveness. It is merely a tool to collect energy efficiently, as with all of my other functions.
>>139316681
Shit, I'm starting to sympathize with this guy
>>139316681
>your species has value
Then explain this >>139316174 . You dumped us when we stopped being useful to you.
>>139316681
muh feelings>logic
Die qb.
>>139316930
There was nothing that could be done at that point. While my magic is strong, it cannot revive an entire species. In addition, every second we spend not gathering energy is another second closer to the annihilation of all. Why do you think we try and contract as quickly as we do? We're on a tight schedule.
Besides, Akemi Homura is the true one to blame here. Had she not abused her time manipulation abilities as easily as she did, Madoka would never have transmogrified into a witch, and your world would still be intact.
>>139317134
Such is the way of humans. A pity. Perhaps more lives could have been saved if it had not been for emotion consuming you.
Coobie's like my neighbor's cat. He's cute and it's hard to say him evil but he's an extreme kind of lad. 10/10 m8-tier creature that trolls me hard always.
>>139317265
Or maybe you could have not made a contract with somebody that could end a species and destroy a planet, you braindead utilitarian.
>>139317328
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>139291898
>This is a pretty popular /u/ meme, anon
I don't know about that, but that might be why there was always a disinterest towards MadoHomu.
>Go back and watch the scene on the ship in Rebellon.
Madoka doesn't even touch Homura, it doesn't prove anything except that Madoka in the barrier is super friendly. Regardless, Madoka controlling anyone, especially someone like Homura, is impossibly out of character for both. Homura is not someone that can be controlled, and Madoka is like an incarnation of kindness and consideration.
>That's pretty in character.
No it isn't. Mami is the most mentally troubled, the softest, the most fragile. She just wouldn't be so confident when it comes to intimacy and closeness with others.
>>139317717
>Homura is not someone that can be controlled
Which is why she must be eliminated. Homura is a danger to the stability of the universe and the greater good.
>>139317834
Poor homu.
Bye thread.
>>139317966
>I don't get the last laugh
god damnit.
>>139317834
Are you an incubator? Who cares about the stability of the universe if no life can exist. The stability of the universe may as well be inherently evil, and Homura is right to fight it.
>>139317966
Once again, Homura is treated like a pitiful child beholden to Madoka. Silver is garbage.
>>139317996
But it's Madoka's stability she's a threat to.
Best girl.
>>139318023
Good, Madoka needs some disruption. It's nice to see Homura turn against Madoka, it's too bad the fan base had such a bad reaction.
>>139318050
bestflat
>>139318100
>He's chaos>order
pitiful.
>>139318135
I wouldn't call it that. But if you want, Homura may bring a far superior order than Madoka's.
