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>>139158905
まずは調子はどうだい
お前はまだ日本語分かってないですかい
ok ill say it in english. whats up dude
何年くらいここに居座ったんですかね
フラッシュカード勉強はどうだ？ 何か出来ますか？
いや答えるな
もう決まってるから
djtの勉強方法（皮肉と言えるだろ）なんて不完全なんだよ
証拠は？ このカキコ見ろ
結局何が分かるんですか？
何か勉強になりましたか？
多分無いね
そのなんでも無い生活に生きてる限り
今日も助けは来ない
ankiの書き込みに戻れ
そして踊れ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xEihW4oxuM
>今回の１０vs１０マッチは最もプレイヤー数を絞らなきゃならない
Bit confused by the meaning of 最も here, what's it implying, that reducing enemy players is the most important thing?
>>139193323
I'd prefer it if you died instead.
>>139193410
Nobody gives a fuck.
>>139193572
Your posts are utterly useless and don't contribute anything to the thread. If anything, you make it an angry and hostile environment for everyone just to fuel your ego.
>>139193657
Shall we set up a safe space for you?
>壁ドン（ただしイケメンに限る）
wft
>>139193887
you dont wanna kabedon a nasty fucker
>>139193657
>disliking a post
>giving it more exposure by replying to it and getting into an argument with the original poster
every timesame goes for that one retard that replied to the makami post last thread
>>139193765
Hostility and elitism is perfectly fine but only when it's directed at the right things.
Your pathetic whining couldn't get imouto banned by the mods, so you resorted to making it awkward for him by spamming all of his posts with autistic arguments and derailing threads. You got what you wanted, he stopped "avatarfagging", probably because he didn't want to be a catalyst for your autistic outbursts, so you can stop now. The only reason I can think of for you continuing is if it wasn't about "avatarfagging" from the start, but an intense jealousy of someone being better at you at Japanese.
Your behaviour is both childish and pathetic. I suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror and reflect on your actions.
>>139193970
I'll stop pretty soon if he doesn't start doing it again.
>intense jealousy
Yeah, that's the deal. You got me there.
>>139194091
He hasn't done it in two threads.
>>139193970
I usually read imouto's posts because I usually learned something useful from it (unless it was an offtopic shitpost), so him not avatarfagging makes his posts a bit harder to find. Would be nice if he'd at least put a trip on so people who don't like him can filter him and people who do like him can find his posts a lot easier.
>away from DJT for a few weeks
>come back
>some autist constantly hating on glorious imouto
Whoever you are just wanted to tell you you're a faggot.
>>139194128
And I hope it stays that way.
>>139194146
If you really want to find his posts you still can do that. There's no need for trips, he will just continue his roleplaying.
So can we move on now?
>>139194279
He's a native of the language we're learning and answers questions constantly. That's probably the only case in this thread where a trip is useful or even warranted so long as he's only using it for useful posts. It leaves pretty much no room for doubt when reading an answer.
Finding his posts manually is a lot more tedious because people shitpost in Japanese fairly often. It's not something I can see just quickly scrolling through the posts I missed and I don't want to read every single Japanese post on the off-chance it could be one of his.
>>139194146
The rules are a guideline. They aren't absolute. Everyone on this site would be banned for flaming and trolling if the mods really had to follow the rules exactly.
The point of avatarfagging being a bannable offence is to prevent retarded blogging. Does imouto use avatar status to blog? Not more than any anonymous poster. And he's not banned yet, despite the fact that this idiot has probably spammed hundreds of reports on him.
The worst and most childish part about this guy is that he's decided to take matters into his own hands and actively try to make imouto feel unwelcome by spamming the thread and derailing it. And if that isn't rule breaking behaviour I don't know what is.
Now he's trying to play it down, just look
>>139194279
This guy is such a manchild it's funny.
>>139194091
4chan is an 18+ site
lmaoもし日本語のことは気になるわけ
Asked this on the last thread, wanting to see if I can get more answer now.
Anybody here regularly visit 2ch and 2chan? Can I ask how to be able to make a post there from non-japan IP? I want to start practicing my production skill through conversations.
Also, where can I download VN games if it's not available on nyaa?
Esp. Vita games
Also, can anybody open this link about J-J dictionary? I can't seem to open it.
https://a.pomf.cat/ujfidq.torrent
I got the link from this guide, if anybody wondering
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15uvv72eVFBtcOlfHaHUfT_HhZsgWxd7VjT9u-zVSwdw/edit?pref=2&pli=1
So, whatcha listening to, DJT? I think I've posted this before but it deserves to be posted again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MpEVALDyGk
>>139194501
please dude just give it up they are not your people if you want to produce go anywhere else, like your bathroom
As someone who barely spends any time on DJT, coming back briefly to see arguments like this going on, and having no investment in them, really helps to see how flippin' ridiculous they are. It seems the problem with generals is that people make them their home, and want to direct the atmospher and kind of posts that aught to be posted in their home, when in truth the best course of action is to ignore people you don't like and close threads you don't like. Food for thought: If DJT drama ever gets thick, and perhaps you're in the midst of it, try leaving DJT. It's not your home. If you spend every waking hour on here, perhaps with auto refresh, try closing the tab for a couple days. It'll whip you out of this sick controlling mindset, I guarantee it.
>>139194503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtnLDMuy2lc
>>139194503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnLGWph0VZ0
>>139194657
Is this meant for me or the other guy?
>>139194657
Yea. It's funny, in a way all these arguments have really helped my Japanese studies. In that I've stopped coming here as often as I used to.
>>139194657
what if you just want to hang out and post and watch the fools march onward on the road to nowhere and just chill out generally
>>139193335
誰か...?Or is this just shitpost central now?
>>139194501
>I want to start practicing my production skill through conversations.
Just sign up for HelloTalk. It's free and you can talk to as many asshole native speakers on there as you would in 2ch
>>139194614
It's fine anon. Even though what you say is true, I can still learn something from them, the same way I learnt something from you even if you are also not my people.
>>139194875
I'm not sure either, sorry.
Off to a great start
>>139194763
>being this retarded
How should we know which of the two you are?
Although I actually do know which one you are since only one of you is this much of a newfag. Stop posting if you can't contain your autism, if you had ignored him no one would've even paid attention to him.
>>139194875
in this 10v10 match you gotta fuck up the most important player
>>139195033
But that doesn't work with 数 there right?
>>139195033
I'm sure it's not this, though.
>>139195033
i missed the s key sorry players plural
>>139194898
It's just easier to talk about a common interest. Not that I won't use HelloTalk, I will. I'm just eager to know, out of the 200 or so regular in djt, I'm sure a percentage of us knows a reliable way to post on 2chan and 2ch.
I'm one of the most argumentative people in this thread and these arguments have made /me/ come here less. Good job, guys.
>>139195152
my posts are folded tempered and they do their job
>>139195096
That still doesn't work with 数 I'm bretty sure.
I'm rarely argumentative on djt, but I'm taking this anon's approach nowadays. >>139194850
>just generally chill out
I try to come here after I'm done with my study. Thanks for showing me the Force, brother. I appreciate it.
>>139195136
You just have to search for people to talk to about a common interest. Or when you write up your profile, put in some of your interests.
But I understand you might not want to have to download it and register an account and would rather just completely stay anon
Don't you guys have a Discord or something?
If only there was someone helpful and knowledgeable enough to help with this guy's question
Preferably a native
Oh wait we scared him off
>>139195247
how about in this 10v10 match the goal is to fuck up the most players you can
>>139194501
>Can I ask how to be able to make a post there from non-japan IP?
You dish out money for 壺 or a VPN
>>139195350
That's the best guess I had and pretty much what I posted with the question yeah, but 最も in that structure with that meaning still seems odd...
>>139195300
I probably sign up to HelloTalk one day.
>>139195386
Any good VPN service that you've tried?
>>139195343
Because you faggots wouldn't help him understand how things are done here and instead let arguments run rampant because you wanted to let him have special treatment
>>139195343
If he's native it's 3 AM in Japan so I dunno.
>>139195350
That's not what しぼる means. It just means cutting down the number of players to 10
>>139195486
>how things are done here
How things done gradually change with time anon.
>>139195474
>Any good VPN service that you've tried?
No I don't care enough. Just go to nyuusokur or something. It's probably no worse than kenmou except for the fact that you get occasional gaijins posting shitty Japanese, but hey that's what you're there to do too.
>>139195498
yeah i guess it only means one thing
>>139195486
>how things are done
You're the only faggot being autist about someone posting cute anime girls on a cute anime girls imageboard with their replies, pls kill urself.
>>139195687
Nice strawman dude!
>>139195498
But they start at 10 each. しぼる seems to mean whittling down the numbers, was fairly certain I got that part right at least.
>>139195613
I'm here posting in shitty English so there's that. I mentioned in the last thread that reddit is blocked where I live. So... I still need VPN for that. I tried to go to some free tunnelling service like vtunnel in the past, but that was blocked too.
hahaha.
>>139195707
>describing literally what you're faggoty ass has been doing
>strawman
Nice fallacy fallacy you autistic faggot.
Hope imouto realizes there's only one real turbobutthurt fag here though.
>>139195736
>But they start at 10 each
I don't know the context of course. But yes, they obviously start at 10 when the game starts. But they have to choose those 10 players. If you have a club with 50 people and can only send 10 to the championships you gotta restrict down to 10 people.
>>139195707
Oh shit, are you the sakuraposter / questionspammer from a few threads back? I think I'm going to do more reading now until you're gone for the day.
>>139195785
How can you be this stupid?
>>139195741
>plebbit blocked
You should probably focus on moving to a non-shithole state before anything else m8.
>>139195807
why dont we ask him the context
hey dude what game are you playing is it league of legends 10v10
>>139195785
I don't think you even know what strawman means.
>there's only one real turbobutthurt fag here though
Nope, I don't even really care.
But it's not like they don't do the same shit to us when we go to their English learning boards on 2channel. They basically have a "chat in english" containment thread.
I'd like to have natives using this thread but that doesn't mean they get special treatment and can _violate global rule #2 by avatarfagging_ with every post and being a namefag on top of it.
>>139195807
No, there's 10 on the field, and the announcer says the original line I posted right before the game starts, it's one where they have to disable the other team's players. I still don't know what 最も is meant to imply with certainty but I can at least say しぼる is not meaning that there.
>>139195837
I will man, within the next 5 years. Nothing I can do at the moment though, other than venting about internet censorship and deal with it.
>>139195823
No idea what you're talking about. But if you can't realize what a strawman that other post is then you probably don't know what a strawman is either.
>>139195924
>I don't think you even know what strawman means.
Protip: If it's describing exactly what your faggot ass has been doing it's not a strawman, merely a description of your pathetic actions,
>avatarfagging
You're an idiot, posting random anime girl pics is not avatarfagging you fucking newfag. I bet you go into a frothing rage every time someone uses a trip too god damn.
a straw man is what i call my dick
>>139195741
You could also try asking the Japanese language learning thread on /int/
I swear to god you people.
These threads can go from super good to complete fucking shitslinging crap in a single iteration.
I'm just gonna finish my reps and masturbate to my trap porn.
see ya in the next one
>>139195998
>If it's describing exactly what your faggot ass has been doing it's not a strawman, merely a description of your pathetic actions
Descriptions? Have you even read the post?
He implied that literally the only thing anyone has gainst imouto is that he's posting cute anime pictures.
If that's what you think then you need to keep your nose out of it because you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>139196033
i swear to god you people
>>139195998
>posting random anime girl pics is not avatarfagging
>random
Do you even know who imouto is? His images are literally the definition of avatarfagging on 4chan.
Did you think avatarfagging meant they post the exact same image over and over?
and I'm the newfag? Fuck off retard.
>>139196081
>the only thing anyone has gainst imouto is that he's posting cute anime pictures.
>'anyone'
>implying you aren't the only faggot constantly hating on imouto
There's literally no other reason to be butthurt about imouto, all they do is help and post interesting things, unless you're a bigger autist than I imagined.
>>139196159
Right, so you obviously don't know shit about 4chan.
>>139196136
>Did you think avatarfagging meant they post the exact same image over and over?
It's not posting random cute girls that's for sure, that's /a/ raison d'etre faggot. At worst they were semi-namefagging by naming each file imoto.jpg
Stay fresh newfaggot.
>>139196159
dont get me wrong when that poster has something good to say they deliver but most of the time its lets get in the bath おにいちゃん so i dont agree with saying theyre all interesting
>>139195936
Maybe you should actually post what you're reading
>>139193408
> ぞい - indicates mild emphasis
What the fuck is mild emphasis? Does this mean that she's not 100% dedicated to doing her best? Fucking pathetic.
I am quite glad to announce that, as of now, the new guide has been implemented.
It is currently still open to comments, I'll keep it like that for another week or two before closing it finally. Of course I'll always be glad to receive your feedback via the feedback form or via email. Or in the thread if I'm around.
The older versions of the guide are still available, you can find them linked at the bottom of the document.
For those to whom this whole business is total news, here's a quick rundown of the changes:
-less wordy, more compact and straightforward
-resources section has been moved to a separate document
-Section on learning Kanji is more extensive and (hopefully) less biased towards mnemonic methods
-some minor additions to the FAQ and the Misc. section
Happy learning
>>139196198
>and by 4chan I mean my idealized imageboard full of autists like me that get butthurt at someone posting cute anime pics with their posts
There has to be a better place to be such a massive autistic faggot that gets triggered by one user simply posting anime girl pics, krautchan? I don't know but has to be somewhere you can call home, just piss off from here.
>>139196033
People who think with emotions and people who think with logic always clash.
I have nothing against imouto and personally hope he still comes here.
But that doesn't change the _fact_ that he avatarfags. But people who think emotionally will go all up in arms and deny literally anything just because they want him around.
It's pure mental immaturity.
>>139196283
feminine language softening
good for girls (and boys) who wear skirts irl
>>139196243
But it's physical and then I need to take photos and shit. That's pretty much all the context tho.
>>139196299
Keep up the good work!
>>139196136
Does 4chan /a/nons 10 years ago cares if other people avatarfagging? Maybe not.
>>139194716
>OMG I love animes!!
>>139196314
>using "cute anime pics" in general to describe an avatarfags posting
>not a starwman
>>139196299
> (hopefully) less biased towards mnemonic methods
Still pretty biased against learning through vocab though
>and the benefits that learning kanji would bring in vocabulary retention will take longer to achieve, if gotten..
At least remove the
>if gotten
and get rid of the extra period while you're at it.
>>139196353
now that the discussion went crazy because no one answered you straight and with certainty and everyone is blind and begging for the imouto to show them the light, ill tell you that 最も can go onto basically any noun to indicate "most" or "the most"
>>139196531
That "if gotten" is saying that learning kanji in isolation does not necessarily help with learning vocabulary, not the other way around.
>>139196571
So I guessed right, neat.
>>139194763
I made that post after seeing >>139194427
Like c'mon. OK a dude is shitting on another dude. Who cares. Were this a normal thread, that behaviour would be ignored and then the thread would die. Instead, it seems that guy is spending a huge chunk of his time on this particular thread, and trying to make it his home, and trying to control how people act or at least ranting about how people. Thats not a good idea in my opinion. It's best not to make DJT your home and take it so seriously. It's not a good idea to spend so much time here and make it a huge part of your life. It's really best to close the thread a lot and not make the place your home. It's not healthy nor is it a good use of time. This is a thread on 4chan and its best not to let it exceed that in yourself or to let it dominate a huge chunk of your time.
I guess I'm being hypocritical here, trying to dictate how people act, but really I'm just trying to give some advice. If he disagrees and wants to make DJT his home thats okay, I won't be pissed and rant about it, especially since I wont be here to see him ranting because I only come here so infrequently. In fact I just came back to see if anyone made a crying reaction image to "DJT is not your home". I know that hit me hard when I typed it because I spent over a year reading every post on the thread and contributing. But thats in the past. DJT wasn't my home but I thought it was. I don't want other people making the same mistake. But it's ok if they do.
>>139196530
>there's a limit to how many cute anime girls you can post, otherwise you're a strawman
超うけるぞ~That's moon for AYYYY LMAO~
>>139196746
>*otherwise you're an avatarfag
Too many fallacies, too little sleep.
tl;dr you're a faggot.
>>139196746
Jesus christ. You faggots do realize it's all the same girls from the same Anime right?
I didn't think I had to spell it out for you, but I seriously don't understand how you can be this stupid unless you actually thought he was posting a variety of pictures from different anime series and different girls.
>>139196688
What did you guess?
>>139196831
Go to bed, phone.
>>139196651
That may be what its meant to say but it definitely doesn't sound like that.
>>139196869
In the post with the question >>139193335
It's just saying the goal of each side is to take out the most players then right?
>>139196910
Try learning english
>>139196904
Did you pull that out of your bag of random insults?
Pull out another one for me, maybe you'll get something implying I'm from reddit next.
>>139196976
Good attitude you have there.
>>139196966
I'm pretty sure you're not gonna get a good answer so I suggest just skipping the line (rather than taking in partially wrong information here)
>>139196831
There's only so many anime with little girls out there, his collection/rotation was big enough, cry moar bitch nigga.
>>139197054
Stop talking, phone. You're not welcome here.
>>139197065
>Good attitude you have there.
When you take a pretty normal piece of english literally backwards I think it's your own fault.
Not opposed to guide-kun changing it but you had the wrong idea and shouldn't be talking shit.
>>139197081
It's all literally from 1 show. I don't know what to tell you.
>>139196966
If it were 何より or something instead of 最も I would I've said yes, but now I'm not sure. I would guess that 最も just means "a lot" here.
>>139197160
>and the benefits that learning kanji would bring in vocabulary retention will take longer to achieve, if gotten.
Let me modify this just a tiny bit to make it clear how it comes across
>and the benefits that learning kanji would bring in vocabulary retention will take longer to achieve, if gotten at all
In other words
>Learning kanji individually brings benefits in terms of learning vocabulary. If you learn kanji through vocabulary, it may take a while to get enough of a knowledge of kanji that you can make use of those same benefits. Or worse, you may never achieve that level.
Does that make it clearer?
>shouldn't be talking shit.
I'm pretty sure you're the only one talking shit here.
>>139196404
Will do. Thanks for having me.
>>139196531
You mean against learning kanji through vocab? I agree that it may appear biased, but it is indeed the case that learning Kanji individually will oftentimes give a huge boost to your vocabulary retention (in my case it went from 60-70% to a solid 95%). I hope that it's clear that this takes lots of time, and that it may not be worth it for everyone. If you have a better formulation to express this I'd be glad to implement it. Let me know or best leave a comment in the guide.
>>139197329
>If you learn kanji through vocabulary, it may take a while to get enough of a knowledge of kanji that you can make use of those same benefits. Or worse, you may never achieve that level.
You broke context. The section of text is about "learning kanji giving benefits to vocabulary retention", not "learning kanji through vocab giving benefits to vocabulary retention". "If gotten at all" applies to "benefits to vocabulary retention in general", not "benefits to vocabulary retention from learning kanji through vocab". It's a non-sequitur for it to apply solely to via-vocab because there is no logic or tone present for such a connection.
>I'm pretty sure you're the only one talking shit here.
Take: >it definitely doesn't sound like that.
>>139197377
>I agree that it may appear biased, because I am biased
I see. Anyway, my main beef was with your implication that you may not ever achieve those benefits if you learn kanji through vocab, which is just false. People who learn kanji through vocab still learn kanji nonetheless. They can see a kanji and name off words that contain that kanji. At that point the only real difference they have with people who learn kanji individually is writing. I would also personally suggest mentioning that doing a little bit of radical study and/or individual kanji study (without necessarily learning all ~2500 Jouyou) may allow people to get a decent amount of the retention benefits from being comfortable with kanji while enabling a more vocab-centric method of study.
>>139196299
- Somewhere in your guide, you should add the wiki link to kanji. Section 4 and section 6 of the wiki link for kanji is especially useful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji
- Tl;dr of my 2nd feedback to you is this, I think it would be beneficial for newcomers if you write somewhere on the guide about Tae Kim that Tae Kim himself said that his guide are meant as a supplement.
Or at very least, write that if learners found Tae Kim's Basic Grammar Section to be confusing, read other books instead, before coming back to Tae Kim's Essential, Special, and Advanced section.
--
The long story is this, I've bought Tae Kim's book and read it while idling on DJT even though I've completely learned fundamentals previously. Initially I did it without ever looking at his homepage. I did read some of his entries, but never his hompage.
Personally, I think his Chapter 3: Basic Grammar section was way too simplified, and some entries on that chapter, like the の particle table, he doesn't explain anywhere near enough.
He just made that table about 飲まないんだ・飲むんじゃない・飲むんじゃなかった and was done with it. That was jarring and nowhere near enough explanation.
I then look at his website and found this written there
>If you are taking Japanese classes and you want to get a better understanding of how things work, the Guide to Japanese Grammar is designed to supplement your studies
>supplement
I didn't learn fundamentals through genki either, but I've check out a couple pages of genki. Also check out a couple pages of minna no nihongo.
- My opinion is that I think you should put an asterisk that Tae kim himself said that the guide was meant as a supplement. Or at least write somewhere that if Tae Kim's Basic Grammar Section is confusing to you, then read some other books before going back to Tae Kim. His Essential, Special, and Advanced section is pretty concise and adequate. So there's that.
>>139196966
Go to the Japanese thread on /int/ and ask a native instead. You can ask in English. I don't know if there are anyrealnatives there at this hour, though, or ever.
>>139197564
>The section of text is about "learning kanji giving benefits to vocabulary retention", not "learning kanji through vocab giving benefits to vocabulary retention".
I am fully aware, and did not imply otherwise
>Take: >it definitely doesn't sound like that.
A simple statement of disagreement.
Now a little bit of shit talking: Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension? You seem to have misunderstood several things over the course of this relatively short conversation.
>>139187416
I also have the game in the original resolution but it looks like eye cancer. I can still read it fine but still.
I'm hoping I'm just retarded and all I have to do is change one of the settings to fix it. Has anyone had this problem? It's a psp game.
>>139197844
>You seem to have misunderstood several things over the course of this relatively short conversation.
If you point each instance out I would be glad to take it if it's true.
>>139196831
Dude, nobody cared about blog, avatarfagging, kek, lol, all that shit 10 years ago. What you call 4chan is just today's 4chan. Yesterday's 4chan and tomorrow's 4chan will not be the same.
People grow up, it's phases of life and shit.
>>139197904
I pointed out 3 already.
-The original sentence in the guide
-My statement of disagreement which you took as shit-talking
-Somehow thinking that I thought the passage was about "learning kanji through vocab giving benefits to vocabulary retention" when my "translation" clearly said
>Learning kanji individually brings benefits in terms of learning vocabulary.
So there's reasonable way to think that I confused that. Your same misunderstanding is the basis of
>"If gotten at all" applies to "benefits to vocabulary retention in general", not "benefits to vocabulary retention from learning kanji through vocab"
>>139198052
there's no reasonable way to think that I confused that*
>>139198052
>-The original sentence in the guide
You're the one that's wrong on that, again.
>-My statement of disagreement which you took as shit-talking
Seriously?
>-Somehow thinking that I thought the passage was about "learning kanji through vocab giving benefits to vocabulary retention"
I never said you thought that.
>>139198100
im reasonably confused how you can actually care about this shit
>>139198182
>I never said you thought that.
>You broke context. The section of text is about "learning kanji giving benefits to vocabulary retention", not "learning kanji through vocab giving benefits to vocabulary retention".
I think you have some serious problems dude.
>>139197634
>I agree that it may appear biased, because I am biased
I can't really deny that given my personal experience with the matter.
How does this sound?
>By learning Kanji through vocabulary, you will not learn individual kanji in isolation, and will instead learn entire words -- which are to a large extent composed of kanji. The drawback to this method is that you will very likely not gain the ability to write words or kanji from memory, unless you actively practice this alongside your vocabulary study.
You will still become familiar with individual kanji since they often recur in various words and hence you will most likely also be able to recognize kanji that you have encountered before in new words and even guess their readings correctly (sometimes, readings of individual kanji and kanji in words are highly variable). Studying radicals of kanji (as mentioned above) may also be beneficial to vocab retention. While not as strong as when learning kanji individually, studying radicals may still help you with kanji recognition and retention and thus also grant some benefits to vocabulary retention.
Since many learners have no interest in being able to write Japanese by hand, and just wish to read. Since it is entirely possible to read Japanese without having studied individual kanji, and just learning words instead, there exists a trade-off in terms of spending more time on kanji and less time on vocabulary early on in return for better retention later.
>>139197722
Gotcha, thanks for the extensive feedback.
>>139198243
Pointing something out doesn't mean I think you don't know it, anon. Work on your reading comprehension.
>>139198291
Sounds fine. My biggest beef is just that the sentence
>You will still become familiar with individual kanji since they often recur in various words and hence you will most likely also be able to recognize kanji that you have encountered before in new words and even guess their readings correctly (sometimes, readings of individual kanji and kanji in words are highly variable)
just kinda sounds awkward. I would just take out the part about readings. Guessing readings as a skill is something you have to pick up with experience no matter how you learn kanji since readings are so unreliable. So there's no real reason to specifically mention it in the learning through vocab section.
In 暑さで脳をやられた輩の犯罪は枚挙に暇がない, is 輩 pronounced やから or はい?
>>139198446
It sounds awkward because it's a runon with no punctuation.
>>139198446
>You will still become familiar with individual kanji since you will often see them again in different words and thus you will also be able to recognize kanji that you know from words that you have already learned when encountering new words.
Yeah, I noticed too upon reading it a few more times. Is the above any better?
>>139198495
Well yeah, I didn't feel the need to elaborate.
>>139198316
Ok whatever dude. It's changed now anyway.
>>139198487
やから
Google/J-J dictionaries tend to answer this kind of thing fairly easily
>>139198487
Both seem valid readings in context with the same meaning, but one's probably more popular, fuck if I know which.
Gurugamesh!
>>139198627
>english google
>>139198619
I would just keep it simple stupid
>You will still become familiar with individual kanji through seeing them repeatedly in different words.
>>139198291
One last thing, the Dictionaries section of the Lookup Resources is a bit lacking on J-J dictionary entries.
You might want to see if you want to add that or not. I know some people here use kotobank for online J-J dict. I often use sanseido.
J-J dictionary in order of authoritativeness is Koujien, then everything else. Daijirin is popular, so does Daijisen.
You might need to find a better article than my bullshit about the "authoritativeness" though.
I only knew about this article below a couple hours ago from some guide on the lat djt thread, http://www.gally.net/translation/kokugo.htm
>>139198802
Thanks, I'll go with that.
>>139198870
Cheers. I'll add some J-J dictionaries to the resource section.
>baseball vocab used outside of baseball contexts
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>139197892
Don't all PSP's look like this?
>>139197892
PSP? Yeah, that's not the original res, that's 2x.
>>139199454
it looks better on the real hardware
>>139199149
First off, I'm technologically challenged, if not an idiot. I have an embarassing question for you about the guide.
I'm using my personal google account when viewing the new guide and I accidentally pressed spacebar and made an edit to the guide.
Which I then backspaced. When I edited it by accident I could see "edited: add space" by myname lastname.
Did you (and everybody) managed to see that or was it just written as "edited by anonymous" at your end? I just prefer to be anonymous is all. Was that too late because I stupidly pressed spacebar?
>>139199602
whoops youre fucked i guess dude
>>139199602
The party van will be at your front door shortly. Please stay seated.
>>139199443
Should have listened to Steve
>>139199602
rip
>>139199602
It's not right in the document, but it's visible in the comment history (I'm not sure if anyone else than me can see that). If you reject your suggestion it'll disappear from the front page of the document, though it seems to still be logged in the comments log.
Though all I'm seeing is your first name and the first letter of your last name, though I doubt that anyone here cares enough to even look up someone's name on the internet just because they saw it in the comments section of some google doc. It doesn't look like there's any option for me to remove comments, so I'm sorry about that.
For that matter, you have quite a cute name.
>>139199443
>Falling for the context meme
Words have meanings.
>>139199602
PK are pretty cool initials though, are they your nickname too?
>http://www.asahi.com/paper/editorial.html
>首相は一昨年の解散時に、税率引き上げを再延期することはないと「みなさんにはっきりと断言します」と語った。それができない経済状況を招いたというなら、アベノミクスの失敗を自ら認め、潔く退陣するのが筋だろう
I'm unsure about the first sentence. Is it "When, at the time of the dissolution of the lower house last year, there was no need to re-postpone the tax hike, the Prime Minister said, I say [this] to you clearly."? "This" being the fact that there was no need.
>>139199920
He firmly said "we aint gonna postpone raising taxes any more yo"
>>139199866
I think he can delete them from the log because he's the one that made them.
>>139199602 click the comments button.
Oh and thanks for adding the introduction I wrote, sorry if I sent it twice. Had some trouble with my google account.
>>139200108
Thanks for providing me with such a concise introduction.
>>139200074
Alright. Yea, I see. He said all that but only the part within brackets is the exact part of quotation.
Does anyone else here collect physical manga? I'd love to see some collections.
What do I do if I don't want to Anki?
>>139200497
Do not Anki.
>>139200497
get a bunch of index cards and a sharpie
>>139200497
Depends why you don't want to. Is it the daily studying, the fact you're studying kanji outside of real texts, or just the look of the program?
>>139200553
I don't want to be lazy!But I also don't want to Anki
>>139200565
Yes, no and yes. It's the readings that fuck me sideways in every sense, I never manage to remember them for more than a few minutes.
>>139200340
Why do you insist on avatarfagging?
>>139200916
Nice meme.
>>139200916
Avatarfagging? In what regard?
>>139200340
My collection is puny, do you still want to see it?
>>139200340
i'd love to never see yours again
Thanks to the anon who posted this progress chart. I've been reading Flyable Heart slowly for a whole damn year now and I only just finished the water gun fight. Suddenly finding out that I'm not even halfway through the common route yet is an important realization and I'll be playing the VN much more now.
>>139201095
Yes please.
>荒神
>>139199524
Seriously? I guess I'm accustomed to how PC VNs look. I already think it's pretty small.
>>139201216
The PSP has about half the resolution of what you posted. Google "PSP resolution" for the exact number if you're curious.
Go through PPSSPP's options for resolution and scaling adjustment settings and mess with them until you figure everything out.
>>139200108
I just saw it, thanks for the info. Deleted my "suggestion". Though it probably doesn't matter anymore now.
I've read the comments button, how does people adding suggestions while still being "anonymous" though? Not logging in to gmail in the first place?
>>139201119
>or a whole damn year now
>I'm not even halfway through the common route yet
Jesus fuck
>Length Medium (10 - 30 hours)
I sure hope that's not for alll routes
>>139201308
Probably opening an incognito tab and copy pasting the link
>>139201286
Okay, thanks.
>>139201414
Oh well, lesson learned.
>>139201413
I'm just lazy as fuck, I've spent months without touching the VN at all. Finding out that at this pace I'll finish the VN in 9 years was a good hint to speed the fuck up.
>>139201151
Never mind, people are going to make fun of me.
>>139201546
I won't make fun of you.
>>139201546
Well in that case we can just skip the sharing part and go straight to ridiculing
Look at this faggot with a collection so shit he can't even share it on an anonymous image board
So that fag imouto was finally driven out of /djt/?
Good job to the person responsible. How did you pull it off?
>>139201717
Someone reported every post he made until he got warned or something.
>>139201717
its 5 am in jp
>>139200852
>I never manage to remember them for more than a few minutes.
After a few reps they will stick more, that's the point of Anki. I always get stuck on a handful of words and spend a lot of time on them, but then the next day those are the ones I remember the most.
Just stick with it for like a week, you'll feel the progress.
>>139201831
Where did the retarded idea that imouto was native come from? It was obvious that he wasn't.
>>139201899
how so
>>139201899
Isn't he a gook?
>>139201899
>It was obvious that he wasn't
why?
>>139201413
He's just being slow as fuck, it took me two months to read and that was as a total beginner right out of Hanahira/To Love-Ru.
>>139202043
All routes I assume?
>>139202089
Of course. That goes without saying.
I know that yoru means night from the sunset until the sunrise, while ban means night from the sunset until when you sleep, but what about yuugata?
Sorry for the romaji, I'm using a phone to post and haven't installed anything to type in Japanese here yet.
I've gotten to the point where I know hiragana and katakana well enough so I'm studying Genki 1 (with removed romaji). Should I load up the core anki deck and study that alongside it (I was thinking about 30 words a day)? I'm asking because Genki has vocabularies it wants you to learn after each exercise so maybe having too much vocabulary may be a bad thing.
>>139200852
You have impaired short term memory.
Set your new card graduation interval to two days. Set your new card steps to the default (1 10).
Set the lapse minimum interval to 1 days. Set the lapse new interval to 10%. (This way lapsing mature cards reverts them by 2~3 Goods, not resetting them to 1 day instantly) Set lapse steps to (10). Note the lack of 1. This makes it so that lapsing a new card and lapsing a rep after it, the new cards always come first, unless you go 10 minutes without finishing your new cards.
Go into preferences. Go to "Basic" tab. Select the second dropdown and set it to "Show new cards before reviews".
These settings will reduce the load that SRS has on your short term memory without affecting how SRS behaves in the long term.
>>139202205
>Should I load up the core anki deck and study that alongside it (I was thinking about 30 words a day)
Yes
> I'm asking because Genki has vocabularies it wants you to learn after each exercise so maybe having too much vocabulary may be a bad thing.
You don't have to bother with that. Stick with core instead. That's what I did.
t. nippongo master
>>139201899
thought he was jp because he understood dialects
>>139202234
(cont)
Even if you dislike the two day interval for graduated new cards, do it anyway. It cuts the number of reps you do for cards that you've never gotten right in half without affecting cards you've gotten right at least once. If you really dislike it, instead of ignoring it and using a one day interval for graduated new cards, study your new cards a day in advance instead. Note that if you study new cards a day ahead like this, it shouldn't be in the flash card format, so it might be a little inconvenient but you'll have to make a filtered custom study deck and study it via the card browser.
>>139202383
>It cuts the number of reps you do for cards that you've never gotten right in half without affecting cards you've gotten right at least once.
Sorry, I got this backwards. It cuts the number of reps you do for cards you've never gotten wrong in half without affecting cards that you've lapsed at least once. This way your short term memory problems do less to cards that you're doing fine on.
man I love using jisho now, it was so fucking ugly a year ago
>>139202205
I don't know whether Genki has more vocab, but I also used Anki alongside Tae Kim and did fine.
>>139202323
Alright, I'll do that. Thanks.
>forget a word in English and French but remember it in Japanese
M-Maybe I can learn Japanese after all.
>>139202483
I liked the old one better.
I always find that the things I think look good are almost unanimously considered ugly by most people, and vice versa. I wonder if it's an indication of some mental disorder.
Same goes for music.
>>139202656
For me こと is the most obvious since I literally can't express it in exactly one way in english, but I always know how it works when I see it in japanese, and it's a single feeling instead of the distinct ones that the english translations provide. Is that the kind of thing you mean, or do you mean like nouns?
>>139202656
Mon negro.
Does anyone else punch themselves when they keep getting things wrong in Anki?
It's becoming a problem. My legs are covered in bruises and it hurts to walk for like an hour after my reps.
>>139203633
Put a coat or something on your lap when you do your reps, it'll hurt less.
＞近所迷惑
Me when I was a kid
>>139203633
I like it when I don't get things right in Anki because it means it's still working and I need to improve. Otherwise if I knew everything then it'd just mean that I don't need it in the first place.
Stay positive, anon, ばんばって！
>>139203794
Fucking keyboard, I meant がんばって, no idea what went wrong there...
>>139202656
本当にそう思うんですか
>>139202908
「こと」のことは簡単なことだよ
難しいことじゃない限りわかりやすいことだね
>>139203633
punch your dick and balls instead
>>139203633
So you hate it when you're reminded of something you had forgotten but wanted to remember?
>>139203633
Why are you punching yourself?
>>139204005
Where I live, it's "Why are you hitting yourself?"
>>139203962
I hate that everyday there are some words that I just can't remember to save my life. I'd be done in 3/4 ofthe time I do my reps if it wasn't for a handful of words I have to do over and over and over hitting again again again again
>>139203659
That is great advise, thank you
>>139204420
have you ever considered the way your studying may not be teaching you very much
>>139204687
No, because the words that I get stuck on like this are usually the ones I remember the easiest later on. Still annoying in the moment though.
I do think I should try learning Kanji along with the Vocab though, that might make it easier.
>>139204757
whats some stuff you got stuck on, like the worst ones from your last session or whatever
>>139204757
>I do think I should try learning Kanji along with the Vocab though, that might make it easier.
what?
>>139204420
Next time make a mnemonic instead of hitting yourself. I barely ever fail new cards after the first time and it's not because I have a good memory.
>>139204420
https://darkjapanese.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/new-and-failed-cards-in-anki/
>>139204687
you're right jamal, we should all give up trying to learning any vocab until we can pursue the objectively superior learning method of chatting with people on the streets of tokyo
>>139204921
Like going through a Kanji deck (KanjiDamage maybe) as well as my vocab deck.
>>139204899
汚い 冷たい 勝つ 負ける
There are many more that I can recognise but not pull out of thin air, but there isn't really a pattern for what words I find hard, it's seemingly random.
>>139205216
I try to but I'm really bad at it. It does help for some words though.
>>139205313
dont forget i asked this right after >>139204899 dude. also lmao at the rest of that
>>139205485
you could try looking some sentences containing those words online. they are really common so you should have them in no time. you can try physically writing them and you can try forming your own sentences using them
some combination of all of that focusing just on those four for a half hour or something and youll probably remember them
汚い just remember rin tohsakas anus
冷たい just remember all the mean posts in djt
勝つ just remember this as what you will have done when youve mastered these words
負ける just remember this as this guy >>139205313
Tell me about WaniKani, why does it かをいねこですね?
>>139205853
That's now how mnemonics work
>want to play a visual novel
>it has an english translation
>feel like I should play it in Japanese anyway even though I'll have to look up nearly every word
I just want to talk to cute 2d girls damn it
>>139201119
Damn dude I guess that guy who's reading Satsukoi right now and spent 11 months on Flyable Heart doesn't need to feel bad anymore. Hopefully you'll go at a much faster pace now.
If you're using http://pastebin.com/raw/yhDP2CwF you could also copy the log at the end of the day and save it into a text file each day and go by the size of the text file to see how much you read that day. That helps me make sure I'm reading enough every day.
>>139206317
you could always read them side by side
>>139205673
Come to think of it, I forgot to mention that one should DRINK BEER.
>>139206317
>playing English version of VN
>feel guilty the whole time because I could have been reading it in Japanese
A-at least I'm listening to the voices.
What does the "shi" mean that Koiwai uses?
>>139205942
not him, but they can work that way. i've had surprisingly arbitrary mnemonics work. as long as i just assign some personal meaning to the word they become easier to recall.
>>139206783
indicates a reason, aka go read tae kim.
>>139206783
It's a sentence ending particle.
>A conjunction to indicate ‘and’ in an emphatic way.
>And what’s more; not only~but also~; so
>>139207002
>It's a sentence ending particle.
>>A conjunction to indicate
kek
>>139207002
youre looking at the page and you still dont have it holy shit
>>139207087
>>139207138
So I used the wrong term for it. The meaning of it is unchanged, you know.
>>139207179
俺にもわかるし
>>139206387
>http://pastebin.com/raw/yhDP2CwF
Old link. Most recent one is http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk
I want to learn kanji but I still don't know how to approach it
for those who learnt using RTK and are say, advanced in their studies, when you read, how do you do it in your mind. is kanji so common now that your mind already knows the meaning of the word in the sentence or does your brain go
kanji---->story made for remembering the kanji--->word
sorry of it seems an stupid question
>>139206895
Ahh, I think I understand. I'm looking at DoJG, and it says "and, what's more, but also" and all the examples make it seem like it's used as "blahblah....and in addition...this."
(今日はテニスもしたし映画も見た)
I was wondering where the "this" was in Koiwai's sentence, or if he was just trailing off like, "Jimbo can you do the work of two people and....."
>>139207341
>I want to learn kanji
No you don't.
>>139207341
kanji->mnemonic->english translation->japanese meaning->word
Takes me about 5-10 second to process each kanji. Compound words are a bitch
>>139207341
The story is mostly just there as an initial anchor. It'll fade over time (don't force it to fade out though) but the general concept you have in your mind about it should stay enough that you still know what it means and have no issues distinguishing it from similar looking ones or knowing what it "means" (as long as you learn vocab containing those kanji).
It's kind of like translating to English in your head when you first start reading. Eventually it becomes easier and faster to just read it in Japanese and not really try to parse and translate it in English terms, especially for trickier grammar that's hard to translate literally. Sort of the same thing here.
>>139207341
Learn Chinese first, then Kanji will be easy.
>>139207262
I don't think you use に like that usually. It'd be 俺もわかるし
>>139206783
Does Jumbo speak Kansai-ben?
>>139207341
i dont know your situation but probably structured curriculum is probably the way to go. rtk by itself doesnt do anything but make you recognize kanji so if thats the primary thing you do and arent backing it up with practical application, youre ultimately not doing as much as you could be
>>139207478
most importantly its telling you theres other things or reasons not said which is what its saying in the yotsubato thing
>>139207809
>I don't think you use に like that usually
You do
>>139207854
Not really. Maybe he drops something Kansai-like from time to time, but real Kansai-ben is pretty different from regular Japanese.
>>139207087
Gobi can be analyzed as conjunction if you're using the english meaning of conjunction.
>>139194503
I'm listening to the radio show that comes with volume 8 of NnT. Fuck, my listening skills are horrible. I'm done with Core 6k, and my reading ability reflects that, but my listening skills are terrible.
I'm actually finding that the difference between listening while playing minesweeper and listening while playing Civ V isn't all that big in terms of how much of the audio I'm picking up on, so I think that I'm going to turn the sound off on Civ V and go back to playing that while listening.
Or maybe I should bite the bullet and just go watch raw anime episodes. It's going to be a bit of a pain, but that'll ensure that 100% of my attention is aimed at what's going on in the show.
I've never seen this mentioned around in the guide or in the threads (maybe I've missed it) but the best way I found to practice kana reading (after writing each of them 50 times obviously) was to play this shitty ass flash game http://learnjapanesepod.com/kana-invaders/
It's really easy and it's easy to "game" it (by just spamming combinations until it work) but it really helped me a lot in getting that instant-recognition feeling with the kana.
Anybody else has any opinion on it?
>>139208427
>Anybody else has any opinion on it?
There are literally hundreds of shitty flash games for kana and kana is at worst the first week or two of your Japanese learning so what you do to learn them is pretty irrelevant. .
>>139208427
i foolishly opened it and closed it after 5 seconds where it told me i wasnt allowed to type jo to get じょ
garbage game play http://www.shiritori.org/
>>139207940
>i dont know your situation
I'm currently learning grammar with "minna no nihongo". I don't know if it's too early to start with kanji (currently on chaper 11) but I want to start now, classes are somewhat boring
I was planning on learning kanji the same way I learnt hiragana and katakana, writing it thousands of times. it was quite effective for me and honestly i didn't find it tedious
has anyone here learnt them this way, by repetition?
>>139208427
>another kana-learning program in the mountain-sized heap of kana-learning programs available on the internet
>by far the easiest part of learning Japanese; this will be the first few days of a task that's going to take you years
>meanwhile
>kanji-learning programs just lazily regurgitate RTK endlessly
>J-E dictionaries still less than perfect
>J-E grammar guides also less than perfect
We don't need any more kana-learning programs. The fruit on the lowest part of the Japanese-learning tree was picked dry ages ago. If they want relevancy, they need to aim higher.
>>139208684
>using romaji
get out
>>139208684
writing is effective but the world is changing and everyone is stuck to their screens from a much earlier age
any book thats teaching you grammar probably changes up the vocab a bit with every unit. thats what i mean by structured. it forces you to use the vocab and grammar for the unit together
>>139208810
sinsoko nandemonai
>>139207341
General kanji shape -> instant recognition
Instant recognition doesn't occur -> look at the radicals
You'd be reading slow as fuck if you had to stop and look at the radicals of every single kanji that you encountered.
>>139207940
>i dont know your situation but probably structured curriculum is probably the way to go.
Language learning is one of those few cases where structured curriculum is NOT the way to go. What you need is massive exposure to the language as expressed by natives through reading and listening, and compelling content that will hold your interest and make your mind receptive. The structured elements are necessarily, but are in a supporting role rather than a leading one.
>>139208684
Read the guide.
I have an issue understanding a portion of text in よつばと, it's the top-left speech bubble from the dad.
It says:
とーちゃん手がはなせないからな俺の分もよつばがふってくれ
Something along the lines of "Dad's hand cannot separate because..." and then I have no idea.. "my portion..." of what? たすけてください
>>139209072
>because
Reread about how から works
>"my portion..." of what?
（手を）振ってくれ
>>139209072
He's telling her to wave on his part. The 分 in this case refers to his share of the waving which he can't do at the moment.
>>139209072
>Dad can't let go (of the wheel), so Yotsuba, wave my share too.
>>139209192
>>139209229
>>139209281
Thanks! I guess I got the gist of it but failed to understand the grammatical structure, you were very helpful.
>Reread about how から works
Will do, cheers.
>>139209024
of course you need to be around people and things in addition to the academic stuff
academic stuff isnt even necessary if youre exposed properly but it will teach you the whys and hows behind stuff
however the one thing you left out is two-way interaction which is why language exists in the first place
わっしは日本じゃ
What do you guys think about my collection?
>>139209766
Please stop.
>>139209766
Dust that shit you filthy 外人
>>139209766
fuck off retarded attention whore
I may as well repost my "collection" every minute if that's something to be proud of
>>139209796
I doubt that's him considering he already posted the exact same picture this thread >>139200340
Won't stop people from falling for it though
>>139209827
A layer of dust protects against sun damage
I hear
What keyboard do you guys use for Anki? Pic related is my bad boy.
>>139195343
You're all fucking stupid and have little to no experience if you honestly thought that cancerous roleplay avatarfag was a native.
>>139209850
I never assumed it was.
I see it posted so much and I grow a little more jealous with each viewing.
I sure hope those nasty trolls stop posting it.
>>139209766
>dat retarded american flag
every time
>>139209909
why
>>139209909
>doubting it after his terrible attempts at English, a special kind of terrible that's hard to fake, even in posts where he's trying to help people
I bet you you're that person that thinks he's fin too.
>>139209871
>keyboard
>anki
>not using ankidroid
Why?
>>139202369
Not hard to google shit in Japanese, anon. There was nothing in his posts which couldn't have easily been produced by an N2 level normalfag.
>>139209909
found the manchild
I made the mistake of purchasing an iphone without realising that the anki iphone app costs about £100.
Is there any way to get it for free?
>>139210477
Nope, the cost is retard tax for having an iPhone.
Can anyone recomend me some yonkoma manga?
These will be the first things I'm attempting to read, so make them easy please
>parents find out for the first time that Ive been studying japanese after doing it for about 2 years
>passed multiple JPLT and other tests
>have in on resume now
>parents scold me for wasting my time and not learn spanish
I can't wait for Trump to deport all the mexicans so the spanish meme dies
>>139210574
can't wait for all americunts to die in a terrorist attack.
>>139207341
>download anki deck in sticky
>do it until every card is mature
this is literally the only real method. Stop looking for shortcuts
>>139210574
>having a resume
>having parents who haven't given up on you
leave
>>139210574
>frogposting
Yeah you should've learned Spanish instead so that you wouldn't have made this post here.
>>139210572
got the perfect one right there, m8erino
>>139210574
>multiple JPLT
>>139210574
jaja pobre diablo
si pudiste con japones y pasaste varios JLPTs en 2 años. deberias ser capaz de hablar leer y escribir español en nada.
>>139210049
>hard to fake
That cannot of be taken serious
>>139210574
I never really got the Spanish meme either, is is the American version of the Arabic meme?
>>139210634
holy shit what a burn
>>139210696
Is that supposed to be your attempt at imouto's shitty English or something?
>>139210704
Like half of blue collar jobs require Spanish fluency now which is fucking bullshit
>>139210885
>btw I waste my life and nobody even noticed
wow so sad
>>139210836
stop being mediocre and learn another language
spanish is not that hard
i just hit a 10 year interval on default settings. u mad?
>>139210885
trust me dude i see you
>>139210885
>I spend my time spamming threads and hating on perfectly fine posters
You need to get a life anon. You can't just shit up threads every time you need attention.
>>139210836
>be high school student
>can't get a job at mcdonalds because they only hire spic children who have either dropped out or will drop out, and will collect welfare anyway
>hurr just learn spanish
>>139210935
can you even read the other words in that sentence
>>139210935
>studying for at least like 2 years
>still reviewing katakana english loanwords
>>139210885
>I've made 79 posts
I'm starting to feel sorry for you dude.
>>139210990
No still haven't learned those ones yet :^)
>>139211011
The only ones I have are the ones that were in the core6k.
>>139210911
That's rich for someone that spends hours a day everyday in a single reoccuring thread on 4chan, talking about learning a language.
May as well be on a car forum without being able to drive. Sad cunts.
>>139210952
No you don't.
>>139210969
>perfectly fine posters
Every single generalfag in this thread can die overnight and if anything the rest of the board would be happy to see another general finally die.
>>139210885
Please submit a pastebin with every post you claim was yours. Thank you.
>>139211041
You spend all day in a language learning thread without learning anything.
>>139210975
>be x
back to /b/ with you
>>139211048
>That's rich for someone that spends hours a day everyday in a single reoccuring thread on 4chan, talking about learning a language.
>May as well be on a car forum without being able to drive. Sad cunts.
This comparison makes absolutely no sense and you fucking know it.
>>139211048
no i really do trust me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_4lsZe86N8
>>139211083
It's true. Actually, I've made 245 posts in this thread. I think we're the only two here. Can't believe we've spent all day posting here together haha. What's your number?
>>139211083
That was my 3rd post, I have been reading for 5 hours so far today and was just tabbing a bit to check the thread.
>>139210975
>be poor gay highschool dropout
>can't get a job at mcdonalds because I'm white
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>139211063
Nice goalpost shift there. You don't know and the brain dead manchildren to regular these threads have never noticed because all they do is come here to argue over the same shit day after day after day after day.
CoR is just manga?
>>139211202
it has tabs
>>139211158
No you have not.
>>139211048
Not them
but why are you choosing to pick a fight with what is probably the least harmful of all generals on 4chan.
Compared to most other generals this place is actually pretty nice, there's basically no tripfags in sight and hardly any namefags, and there's not really much circlejerking going on here compared to other generals.
Can't you take this battle to some other place that is more deserving of it? We're just trying to learn a language and help other anons learn.
>>139211202
It is full of keyloggers.
>>139211234
No because we personally offended him specifically
>>139211225
Yes, I have.
>>139210574
>be straight white male
>born into upper middle class
>drop out of middle school to become NEET
>10 years later I barely leave my house
>learning Japanese for 3.5 years
>can read and listen to fluently
>parents have no idea
>they just think I play WoW all day because that's what I did when I was 13
>>139211225
I'm enjoying this cute back and forth we're doing now too, but can you check out this post >>139211148? It sounds like we have similar interests, can we get coffee sometime? Or we could go hang out in the Tokyo Ghoul general and post together, it'd be fun.
>>139211182
>come to a thread everyday to complain about it
>thinks he's better than everyone he complains about
You do the exact same except worse. Complaining about complaining is the stupidest thing because all it does is breed more complaining.
>>139210885
I honestly don't know whether to laugh at you or just feel sad for you. It's pretty depressing that you don't just move on and do something else that makes you happy instead of being so angry over a thread no one is making you visit. DJT isn't your home and you're not going to be able to force it to be how you want it to.
im not a player i just post a lot
>>139211284
What have you read?
Which new words or interesting phrases did you come across?
Can you provide a summary of what you have read?
Can you post a version in English and Japanese?
>>139211466
Wow I never realized we had a teacher appointed to our thread. Better make sure to submit your homework properly or he'll decree that you don't know japanese :^)
>>139211048
>someone that spends hours a day everyday in a single reoccuring thread on 4chan
>I've made 79 posts in this thread
I wish I had your free time to be honest
>he's ACTUALLY demanding that someone prove that they're reading instead of spending all day being a sad fuck shitting up the thread like him
>>139211567
This thread is the least likely to be banned from this board.. The situation is simple and all the kicking and screaming won't change reality. These threads will remain present for the indefinite future.
>>139211466
You first.
Also, I haven't been able to get a single one of the "Click until there are none left" captchas. Am I the only one? They seem to just be broken.
>>139211567
>The situation is simple and all the kicking and screaming won't change reality.
Every time you say this it just gets funnier. The lack of self awareness is amazing.
>>139211335
>come to thread everday
No, I just receive reports and scan over the threads in the archive.
>>139211466
>What have you read?
Dracu-Riot!
>Which new words or interesting phrases did you come across?
Just came across 器の大きい.
>Can you provide a summary of what you have read?
I can, when I'm done with it.
>Can you post a version in English and Japanese?
Sounds like a fucking pain, I'll pass.
Have a pic of how much words I added today though.
>>139211466
your posts
自閉症, 精神病
today as usual i read autistic persons dumb ass shit
今日も自閉症者のちんぷんかんぷんを読んだ
>>139211567
I can just see you deleting "I will make this certain" and writing "we" instead thinking about how clever you are with your bluff
>>139211651
it's fucking hilarious how literally delusional he is
>it's literally the same from before still
>he's literally spent every day for weeks trying to bring down this thread
>he hates the thread because there are people who spend a lot of time in it
So finally we see the truth. Anon, you don't hate us. The one you hate is yourself.
>>139211686
Watch him ignore this guy now >>139211639
>>139211682
>literally only one person wants generals removed from /a/.
Generalfags are delusional. You won't learn Japanese here, not today, not tomorrow, not ever.
>>139211686
Not him but I could make up anything to answer all of those questions, you're hardly going to actually find out the exact progress we've all made today.
Why do you care so much anyway?
Do you guys know what these kanji are? I can't get shit when I draw them in Google Translate.
>>139211736
Oh wow, I looked up a title and threw in a generic word.
Well done anon, I'm sure /lit/ would be proud.
>>139211773
You're the only one being so noisy and obnoxious about DJT. /a/ is more concerned with shit like the Madoka tripfag circlejerks. Get a grip, dude.
>>139211736
what is there to exactly say about that though other than "cool dude"
the dudes series of questions dont really lead to anything meaningful. he might as well just ask everyone to post their anki stats like usual
>>139211773
>literally only one person wants generals removed from /a/.
frogposter didn't say anything even remotely close to that, what made you make that implication?your delusions?
>>139211810
Why do you care anyway?
>>139211812
That's because they're backwards
新刊
>>139211851
Oh, it was backwards. Well that makes sense. Thank you!
>>139211859
That is exactly what you insinuated, anon. Generalfags do this every time.
>>139211822
>prove you studied today
>okay
>n-no you lied!
damn you had us in checkmate from the start, well played man
what's the 2333333 spam on streams?
tried looking for jap slang but couldn't find any mention of it.
>>139211910
what post number was that one
>>139211629
Mods already warned they would ban /djt/ if it couldn't stay on-topic.
You're only hastening its demise by continuing to reply to shitposters. You have been warned.
>>139211923
Can't you go parasite another general?
>>139211960
Stop posting this. It's off-topic.
My favorite part is how he ignores every post that shuts him down or proves him wrong.
>>139211960
Not quite.
go back to your schizo-house, anon
you will never learn japanese like this
>>139211960
>Mods already warned they would ban /djt/ if it couldn't stay on-topic.
Mods confirmed /djt/ is not going to get banned.
>>139212064
>spammerfag is trying to save /djt/
godspeed
>>139212087
What have you done today aside from posting in this thread, anon?
Earlier you called everyone that spends hours a day in here sad cunts, what do you do to be an exception to your own rule?
Please don't ignore me again
>>139212124
You first.
>>139212124
It's okay anon, maternal instincts are not necessarily unhealthy.
>>139212087
>what have you read
>I've read x
>why didn't you say more about x, you are obviously lying
fucking hell be careful will you, you'll knock someones head off with those flying goalposts
>>139212087
＊ちんぽ与えてる＊
>>139212159
He's the martyr hero hypocrite among liars, of course. What else?
>>139212253
>This is a board for discussing anime and manga,
Good thing this is a manga thread
lets play shiritori ill start
精神科病院
>>139212165
If you can't talk about in your own words something you have spent hours doing, you haven't done it.
It's that fucking simple.
>>139212253
>Earlier you called everyone that spends hours a day in here sad cunts, what do you do to be an exception to your own rule?
>Please don't ignore me again
Are you blind son?
Answer the question.
>>139212316
No this is not a manga thread you fucking delusional generalfag.
>>139212253
I'm not the guy that replied to your request, I'm referring to these posts instead >>139210885
>>139211048
There's nothing for me to prove because I made no claim. Now, how are you less of a sad cunt than everyone else that spends multiple hours a day in here? Please, elaborate on your statement
>>139212344
He did though?
You realize you're just being stupid, right?
>I demand you tell me about your private learning!!
>He does
>Why won't you tell me!?!?
>>139212388
Yes it is.
>>139212388
Pretty sure this is a manga thread
Look at all the manga posts
>>139212124
You're going about this all wrong. Even people who might be sympathetic to your cause are going to think you're a total ass for spamming fake "on-topic" posts, and are actually more likely to report you than anyone else.
It doesn't even make sense either. You simulate on-topic posts to help show how off-topic djt is? You could do 10x the damage by just posting an alternative version of the OP image.
So your reasoning actually sounds more like an excuse and you're just being a douchebag because you're butthurt about something that happened.
I'm also curious if you even browse /a/. Do you even watch anime?
You want me to believe that you care about /a/ and like anime and yet have no respect at all for the /a/nons that want to learn Japanese? I don't buy it.
>>139212445
This thread has nothing to do with /a/ and we don't want you here.
>>139212445
>You could do 10x the damage by just posting an alternative version of the OP image.
He can't do that. You see, that attracts the moderators' attention.
>>139212445
is that dude really worth writing that much in one post
>>139212447
I'm just one of the many people to reply to you but alright, let's say I didn't do enough to talk about it today. Cool.
Now I ask you, what did you do today aside from wasting multiple hours in this thread?
You're better than these generalfags, right? What'd you do other than post in this general?
>>139212488
>we
>>139212065
You weren't kidding, he's including his imaginary friends in his posts.
>tfw learning japanese for the sole purpose of writing my own light novel
Here's what you need to figure out: DJT is a containment thread for all the questions about translating manga or anime that would otherwise be posted elsewhere on the board.
>>139212566
You're fucked.
>>139212514
Yes because as far as I'm concerned he's actually winning. I don't think I'm going to be responding to any questions in here anymore because I don't want to waste my time responding to a copy-paste.
>>139212521
to be totally honest the only thing that should matter is your own situation. if you spent time studying and then find you have no words (笑) to show for it thats all on you and you should just work on that
wasting your time on that dude isnt worth it though
>>139212447
You still haven't answered:
>Earlier you called everyone that spends hours a day in here sad cunts, what do you do to be an exception to your own rule?
>Please don't ignore me again
This guy is just trolling. He's not really trying to argue anything.
>>139212596
i mean thats totally reasonable. maybe something like lang-8 or whatever is more suitable for what you want to do
however taking up a whole bunch of space kicking and screaming isnt really winning. its like when youre in public and someones baby is going nuts
its annoying as hell but you tolerate it and keep going. consider this like trying to use words versus an infant
>>139212658
あらら
>>139212735
Except that infant can dress up in a big boy suit and make you waste time talking to him before you realize who it is.
Fucking mongs, stop arguing with idiots.
>>139212658
Did you see the >50 fake questions he posted like two days ago? I totally get why he'd seem like a troll to most people, but even if he thinks of himself as one I don't think a troll is supposed to be this obsessed with it.
The best solution is to just stop answering questions/helping people if you don't want your time wasted and answer questions if you feel like taking the very high risk that the question you're answering was made by an autist who doesn't actually want the answer and is just trying to get the thread banned by flooding it with fake on-topic posts (not sure how that's supposed to make any sense but whatever).
>tfw still remember 遠い as gay sex because of that one anons mnemonic
cant be the only one
>>139212784
yeah but the clothes are too big
however when its more discreet maybe people become inspired to look up a particular thing that gets posted, even if its pasted from somewhere else
in that way its not so bad but when spam happens the threads mood is destroyed and theres no reason to do anything but let natural urges to post some shit take over
>>139212872
>>139212939
You guys are right. It's not even worth talking about, and if I do accidentally answer one of his question no big deal. He wastes far more of his own time than anyone elses.
Anyone else here do wanikani? What do you think would be appropriate reading material for level 10?
>>139213217
Tae Kim
>>139213217
I don't use wanikani so I don't know what level 10 translates to but Yotsubato is what most people choose as their first actual reading material if that's what you're looking for.
So I was reading yotsuba and the 10th page of volume 2, the 4th bubble, I don't understand what is being said, can someoen translate please? THanks you.
P.S. わねえかねえわかこいねこですね！
Why do japs continue using Kanji? Wouldn't it be easier to just use hiragana?
>>139213601
kanji improves readability and saves space
>>139213550
the pleasure of being cummed inside
>>139213601
sure
>>139213550
>>139213601
俺は高みの見物ですわ
おっと カキコしちゃった
>>139213654
How does it improve readability?
>>139213694
Japanese writing as it is blocky and doesn't use spaces to separate words. With kanji, it's much easier to tell the words in a sentence apart.
>Still responding
>>139213724
Thanks, but wouldn't it be easier for them either way if they use spaces?
>>139213550
>>139213601
>>139213846
This is the guy
>>139213846
dont think FEEEEEL
>>139213945
This is the guy
>>139213987
>>139213945
These guys
>>139213846
Adding spaces makes written japanese take up way too much space than it would if you just removed kanji. Efficiency is one of written japanese's strong points.
>>139214007
im guy
Any linux users here? What japanese IME do you prefer and why?
>>139213945
But I'm a girl.
>>139214047
woops i mean gay im gay
>>139214055
i dunno the default one
Would you rather have a small vocabulary or a small dick?
>>139214130
>the default one
Bro...
>>139214031
Arejapanesewordsjustshorteringeneralorwhatdoyoumean?
>>139214153
Well I already have both of those so fuck you
>花より団子。
Is this something that horrible tomboys say?
>>139214171
It's the characters. Take a look at our letters. Now look at this:
くそビッチ
While the characters represent more than a roman character, they take up more type space. Also, verbs take up a lot of space.
I mean. Japanese words take up less space in japanese writing than english words in english writing, but japanese characters are bigger; they follow a blocky paradigm. Roman letters are thinner, much simpler, and much closer together.
>>139214368
Seems something that hard working, down-to-earth people would say.
>>139214568
lol
seriously...
>>139214633
lol agreed lol
>>139214527
>The proverb is saying that people prefer this treat to watching the flowers, referring to the 「花見」 event where people go out to see the cherry blossoms (and get smashed).
Wouldn't your average hick prefer this flower booze party shit, though?
lolling over here
>>139214568
Reminds me of that one video where she says she doesn't use deodorant
This fucking thread man.
>>139214764
tell me more about these videos
>>139214802
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWeLFU8Rxaw
>>139214055
I'm using "mozc". That's the name of google's IME on Linux.
>>139214858
i just wanted you to tell me i dont want to watch it
>>139214958
She doesn't wear deodorant because she doesn't understand how genetics works and doesn't have self awareness.
>>139214858
airgoto gaijin tips, no more showers/deodorant for me.
>>139214858
Her accent is so weird.
>>139214858
God the internet is such a godsend for ugly girls. No matter how fucking hideous, they just have to find their niche and they will have people drooling over their feet.
>>139214858
[heavy breathing]
日本語やれ
>>139214858
Is she the girl who got married to some Japanese porn guy and then dumped?
Well fuck, today my head just wasn't working and I couldn't remember simple words on my reps.
I fucking hate days like this one, kill me please.
>>139215453
what are some words you couldnt remember
>>139214858
kek
>Mira made plans to do a social experiment where she dressed up in blackface so she could prove there was no such thing as racism against black people in Japan. She supposedly walked around town, confusing and scaring the Japanese populace. But because no one tried to hang her she called the experiment a success and bragged about it in her comments.
>After people were shocked in horror at her blackface photo instead of praising her genius, she backtracked and lied, calling it photoshopped.
>>139215537
粘膜
皺
>>139215537
暖かい
青春
もらう
>>139215616
>pulling stupid as fuck "social experiments"
>in glorious nippon
when will she be deported?
>>139215661
>暖かい
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCJZ_LkjS0I
春は暖かい
>>139215619
is there any reason an average bonjin needs to say 粘膜 in their life
皺 isnt so bad if you just think about my balls
you can just write it in hiragana
>>139215661
温っ
>>139214449
Thank you. One last question, will Romanization of Japanese never take off?
>>139216191
i wish youd take off dude
only a little bit though not that serious
>>139216246
I'd like him to take it all off.
>>139216246
I thought we were pals
On topic though, they've tried to replace it with Latin like three times so I think it'd be more and more likely since people in Japan are learning more and more english
>>139209367
>implying that there's some correct set of goals for learning language
Your use of the language is whatever you want it to be. If your interest is purely in Japanese media, you don't need to focus on being a good talker.
Or maybe you're a checkmark polyglot who learns 2000 words and some basic grammar for fun before claiming to know the language and moving on. That's valid, too. Why? Because you got what you wanted out of the language, which was to have fun learning it.
There's one class of reasons that are invalid, and that's vague shit like "it might be useful someday" or "it might help me along in my career". If you don't have a specific purpose in mind for the language, it probably won't be useful to you, ever. Find some goals regarding the language first. If you can't find anything concrete that you consider meaningful, don't waste your time.
>>139216376
>Latin
Why?
It's a dead language.
>>139216191
Nips are too proud and attached to their written language to let it go.
bring back ゐ and friends
>>139216441
The latin script
So imouto doesn't post here anymore? Thank God the mods finally did something about that.
>>139216376
Japanese looks like shit in romaji. Their current writing system allows them to read faster than us, why would they throw that down the drain?
Seriously start learning the writing system and in a few months you'll be laughing at how you could have ever thought romaji was a reasonable alternative.
>>139216440
but there is a correct set of goals and youve done a good job to highlight them in your post: the ones you set yourself
also youre right you dont have to focus on two-way interaction at all
see >>139193335 and the posts that follow for what lies down that road
I'm considering learning a little Japanese, how many hours would it take to learn the basics?
>>139216542
>trying this hard to start another argument
good bait though
>>139216464
>mfw ゐ and み have the same top part
helped me learn how to write it properly
>>139216605
http://www.languagetesting.com/how-long-does-it-take
You can get a reasonable basic grasp in about 500 hours.
>>139215862
>literally the 1st word she says
ごめんなさい、先輩
>>139216587
romanji wa hiraganaya katakana yori kawaii to omou yo
I can't do my reps with this raging hard-on now.
>>139216587
I agree that Japanese looks worse in romaji, but they don't read faster than us, we read at basically the same speeds. There aren't much difference in speeds across any writing systems
>>139216605
If by the basics you mean hiragana and katakana, it should take a week or less.
>>139216708
Thank you
>>139216778
It's like dragging my eyes across a strip of sandpaper.
>>139201119
I'm glad it helped. I was in a similar situation, thinking I was making good progress when I wasn't, until a kind anon told me it would take like 6 more years for me to finish at that pace. That is why I made the chart to help others.
>VNs you wanted to play are only avaible in Japanese
>VNs you want now are all only avaible in dirty 英語
This happen to anyone else?
>>139217047
I don't think that there's anyone who's been learning Japanese for a while who hasn't had this happen to them.
>>139217211
We need something like /a/'s manga repo but for untranslated VNs.
>>139217322
I've never had problems finding VNs I wanted to play in Japanese. Ya'll must be reading some hipster shit.
>>139217322
Oh, only available in English.
I don't think I've seen that happen.
>>139217211
What about everyone who doesn't play shitty videogames created for manchildren?
>>139217322
Don't they have that at /jp/ ?
>>139217459
/vn/ had an ftp a few years back
/jp/ never did, unless it was maintained by a thread other than the main VN thread in which case it probably focuses on English VNs anyway
>>139217455
Maybe you should find a Japanese learning community on Reddit or Facebook. You might fit in better there.
>>139217498
Their main VN thread is for untranslated VNs now.
>>139217448
Please share your ways.
>>139217527
Why do you know so much about reddit and facebook? Do you visit those places?
>>139208595
Screw this game
>>139216681
That wasn't me.
It the paranoid generalfags like you who are ruining these threads.
>>139217546
>Their main VN thread is for untranslated VNs now.
I think you must have misread my post
>>139217322
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KnyyDt7jimEz-dgeMSKymRaT2r3QKBPm9AzqZ6oUWAs/pub
>>139216440
>If you don't have a specific purpose in mind for the language, it probably won't be useful to you, ever.
The very act of learning a language is positive for your health and wellbeing. Whether or not you have a use for it that you find valid, is entirely irrelevant. Follow your own reasoning because you pulled out a double standard for that line.
What's a vn? Am i retarded?
>>139217701
Yes.
>>139215762
Modern Japan is a social experience run by the families who own the American Federal Reserve Bank.
>>139217623
That's a repo?
Also all shit.
>>139212557
>implying this thread isn't being taken over by /nrl/, you literally RUN 4chan.
>>139193162
>leddit has a better learner page than 4chan
leddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/wiki/
>>139217751
Repo doesn't only mean "vcs repository"
>>139218192
there's only so much you can do to simplify saying "go drill kana and then read tae kim / japanese the manga way while doing vocab, also if vocab is too hard try kanji study"
>>139217677
Don't just accuse people of having a double standard. You need to explain where it lies.
Learning a language isn't just some light weekend activity. If you fight through hours and hours of learning and have nothing to show for it, you just wasted your time. In the end, you'll just forget everything that you've learned due to neglect. A language that you get nothing out of and forget due to disuse is good for your well-being... how? It's honestly pretty stupid. You could have done literally anything else with that time. That's why you need to find some use for the language before you start, even if it's simply that you want to learn more about their culture.
The worst are the ones who blindly believe that learning a language will increase their earning potential. Not every career path benefits from bilingualism, not every language offers a lot of lucrative opportunities, and it usually involves spending large amounts of time in the country where the language is spoken. Learning a language for money is great, but if that's your purpose, you need to understand what that entails, and have a solid plan.
For the linux fags out there, have you had problems with Anki? Is it working fine if I directly install it from the website? The packages for Anki from my software manager seem to be very outdated.
>>139218192
Some of the basic introduction is interesting, but when their recommend course is essentially to either take a college or pay for WaniKani, it's easy to see why so many people in that subreddit fail to make progress. They also overemphasize the JLPT and make no mention of consuming native material.
If you followed their guide, you'd learn kana and then spend years grinding your wheels re-reading Genki 1 and 2 while doing WK, and consuming nothing else. It doesn't actually guide you to fluency, or even competency.
>>139218639
It also doesn't have the detailed guide to resources and commentary on how useful they are.
>>139218639
It also doesn't bother mentioning TK (with whom they had some sort of argument) nor JtMW but still recommends Imabi (the imabi guy is well-known in the subreddit IIRC). But yeah, the worst is the fact that Japanese media seemed to have been ruled out as a proper learning method. You either grind grammar through textbooks or you prepare for the JLPT, which is rather stupid in my opinion.
why isnt getting a japanese girlfriend listed as a useful study method in the op
>>139218962
>3D
>>139216191
>Romanization
why do people want this to happen? it's not the first time I see this retarded question pop up
>>139219295
Useless fucks who are intimidated by kanji.
>>139219295
Beginners that don't see the benefits of kanji.
>>139219295
They don't know that japanese has a ton of homophones that make kanji essential to have.
>>139219295
people who just wanna be able to read and not memorize a bunch of stupid house shaped symbols from china
>>139218962
Because it isn't one. They'll dump you and you'll get depressed and quit.
>>139218774
They think watching shows and reading is too much "fun" to be educational. Everyone knows learning has to be painful, slow, and hard.
>>139218962
But my japanese girlfriend just told me that i need to drill vocabulary and kanji until I remember it. She also thinks anki is a really great program.
Where is your god now?
I've noticed that certain sounds or expressions end in 「っ」, does this change anything phonetically, or does it just indicate an onomatopoeia?
Go to bed, phone.
>>139219605
It means in abrupt stop.
>>139219605
ちょっｗおまっｗ
>>139219605
it's a glottal stop in that case
in other words it just means it's supposed to be like a sudden or "hard" stop
>>139218962
>doesn't need to use flash cards or pass the jlpt or whatever because he has great social skills, knows how to impress people, and pick up girls easily
>posts 85 times a day in DJT
would someone like to post how they read a little of japanese.? I think that helps a lot but I've never seen this stuff here
>>139219726
I understand completely from that simple explanation, thanks.
The guy writing stopped giving a fuck.
>>139219807
参考になれてｗｗｗｗｗうれしゅうｗｗｗｗございますｗｗｗｗ
>>139219833
same happens to me when I write ふ
>>139219833
that's how it looks if you try to write it fast though
I just met someone who recently took 2 years of Japanese in college and knew less than I did within a month or two of Anki and Tae Kim. What the fuck were they doing within those two years?
>>139220060
whoa so u mean that college isn't the best way to learn? what a surprise
>>139220001
Easier just to draw an asterisk
>>139220060
being a normie
>>139219766
my posts are folded tempered and they do their job *sheathes daikatana*
>>139220125
Why do you keep bringing your kusoge to DJT
>>139220190
救うのためだ
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