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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I've always had a 'Work hard, play hard' attitude to life - I still do - but sometimes you get involved in something that needs a calm, methodical approach.
今日も適当に頑張るかな
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0
I couldn't find a working download of Evolimit awhile ago (and now I cant torrent because NSA is handing over internet logs to local police) so I'm shit out of luck.
>>138622578
>NSA is handing over internet logs to local police
They aren't. Be brave.
>>138622578http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4249614
Just do it, faggot.
Du gib up!
諦めんなDJT、僕だってにぽんご習ったぞ。
一番最強のアドバイスは、先ず、相手の目を見たら、スマイルをして、舌を出して、そして、早く走れ。そのようないつも勝ったぞ、おにいちゃん。
>>138622595
https://privacysos.org/blog/fbi-will-now-be-able-to-search-through-nsa-intercept-data/
さあさ
ゆめよ
さめぬ
ゆめよ
さらば
ともよ
>>138622649
If you're so paranoid, just get a VPN. Liquid VPN is like 5 bucks.
>>138622671
>paranoid
You what? Internet logs are being searching and handed over, and torrenting is an actual illegal act, 2 + 2 = ...
>>138622702
>torrenting is an actual illegal act
Torrenting itself isn't illegal. And again, just use a VPN.
>>138622743
Obviously, I mean torrenting copyrighted material.
>>138622578
>Getting arrested for downloading a Chinese dating-sim
Do you really think this is going to happen?
>>138622484
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>>138622760
Uhh yeah, I live in a country where smoking/owning weed puts you behind bars for years. The severity or relevance of a crime doesn't matter, its how much money they can earn by putting people into private prisons and how quickly can they fulfill arrest quotas.
>>138622763
what
>>138622783
>being this paranoid
No one really gives a fuck about the people who download things "illegally." Uploaders are the ones who get in trouble, if anyone.
>>138622763
わからない
>>138622870
With torrents, you upload as you download, hence why it's illegal. In other countries, downloaders (and thus uploaders) are persecuted. With these changes in laws, I would not be surprised if that became common here too. Thus, not torrenting. It's not paranoid to avoid commiting illegal crimes over the internet when internet behaviour is being monitored.
>>138622828
>>138622880
Look at the image you dumb fucks.
>>138622927
Oh, I get it now.
>>138622936
Yeah, I know. I was responding to the claim of paranoia.
おそっ
>>138622936
A VPN with two servers in the US and one in a country with a history of bending over of demands of international security alphabet agencies?
Good one.
>>138622656
what is さあさ meaning for?
>>138622763
>ビルゲイツみたい
笑
>>138622907
This is a fantasy scenario. There are literally billions of people torrenting worldwide. Only in extreme cases have people been persecuted, and those have been the major uploaders who shared hundreds of movies, thousands of songs and so on. It is paranoia. I'm going to assume you're either an old man or underage, because this is an unreasonable fear.
>>138622640
All bokus need to kill themselves.
>>138623103
Stop trying to force this meme.
It's fucking pathetic.
>>138623065
I see plenty of people in the news being persecuted.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/02/20-1/30-year-old-unemployed-man-arrested-for-uploading-kingdom-manga
>>138623103
This >>138623123.
We bokus have as much rights as anyone else. We are free to use whatever pronoun we like.
>>138623123
It's not. Want to hear what is truly pathetic? Men taking dicks in their asses without protest and enjoying it.
>>138623160
Nah, bokus are scum.
>>138623146
Those are always uploaders. Not people uploading while downloading (which can be disabled), but the people who initially shared the content. No one gives a flying fuck if you download something.
Go download your powerpoint porn.
>>138623184I'm gonna start using 僕 exclusively just to piss off people like you
>>138623216
I know that's how its been up until *now*, but laws have changed that make it easier to prosecute, like I said.
Can I survive visiting Japan with hiragana and katakana knowledge alone?
>>138623269
>Can I survive visiting Finland because I can read Latin script?
>>138623184
I'm bi and I use 僕. Fight me.
>>138623226
I'll use run my posts through Google translate several times from now on to piss people like you off.
I, not only the time, began to publish my message several times to people like you to the outside through the Google search results in a variety of languages. FACE
>>138623226
I will use my seats run by Google in stages from now to rely on people like you burn .
I not only the time , and began to publish my message in several awards at you like the outside , the Google search results in a variety of languages . FACE
>>138623344
>>138623384
What the fuck are you doing with your one and only chance at being alive to piss it away by acting like a complete fucking moron on an anonymous image board on the Internet? If you don't give a shit about your life let us and know and I will gladly come and take it from you.
>>138623384
>>138623344
This is just like the VN fan translations I used to read.
Just learned my 1000th word today.
How long have some of you guys been studying for and how good are you?
>>138623269
Well you won't die, at least.
>>138622656
Oh our dreams.
We could we have dreams.
We have lost our good friends.
>>138623418
Is this a new edgy pasta?
>今後もお客様との対話の窓口として、より充実していくべく 努力してまいります。
We are working from here in an effort to provide an enriched window for customer interaction.
I still don't get how として works here. I think I get it to some extent, i.e., it modifies お客様との対話の窓口. I can't seem to grasp a big change in meaning with removing として from this sentence.
The examples on the DoJG pdf (として entry) were easy enough but I couldn't get how として was used in this next sentence as well.
戦争は大きな犠牲を伴うわけで、我々は何としてもこれを避けなければならない。
War is accompanied by great sacrifice, as you know, and we have to avoid it at any cost.
Any help?
>>138623427
1.85 years
10,000~ words
O.K.
>>138623017
Last I checked, they had servers in more than 10 different countries. Unless you consider Europe to be a single country. Wouldn't surprise me, honestly.
躰
身本(体)
>>138623552
>体躯
うふふ。にほんごはやさしいけど、きびしいよ
詠みましょう
刀かな
難しいです
好きじゃない
ロマン字が好き
猫も好き
>>138623418
holy shit
>>138623427
A year, and I only know 2.5k words.
>>138623418
You're here too bud
>>138623427
>4 months
>1000 words
>Have read through 5 chapters of よつばと！
Please, hold your applause.
>>138623604
>ロマン字が好き
Die.
>>138623639
I did 2000 words in 3 months.
>>138623418
Do you, by acting like a complete Kusobaka anonymous image bulletin board on the Internet, that is alive to piss it away, you're doing it together at your only chance? I come willingly; if you do not give a shit about your life know let us, will you take from it.
how the fuck do I remember readings
I always know what an expression means, but I keep messing up the kana reading
How hard is the KonoSuba LN?
I feel like it'd be rather easy and enjoyable to read as a first LN. Having all the volumes as .epub would be nice though.
>>138623680
Yeah, I was slacking off really hard on my reps in Jan/Feb.
Only recently started doing them again.
>>138623680
And I did 3000 words in 3 months, you fucking idiot. Stop trying to lord it over other people you're only slightly better than.
>>138623653
I second this.
>>138623427
10 years, closing in on the halfway point of RTK.
>>138623747
>Stop trying to lord it over other people
Stop assuming
>>138623503
>>138623618
>>138623639
You guys have gone pretty far, would you mind telling me when I should start reading Yotsuba?
I would be very appreciative.
>>138623797
Right after completing Tae Kim.
>>138623797
Literally any time you want.
I started reading it halfway through TK and at ~700 words vocab.
>>138623797
the very moment you read through tae kim once, so about 5 days in
get the reading pack
>>138623714
HELP
>>138623816
>>138623821
>>138623832
Thanks guys.
>>138623861
Just grind the readings. Make sure you have audio if you're doing the core deck because it helps a lot.
Listening to japanese audio helps too
>>138623797
日本の語
勉強は無駄
出来ないよ
諦めること
それしか無い
>>138623874
It's funny because it's true, there are over 40.000 Kanji
>>138623427
I don't know how many words I know, as I don't use Anki. I learn vocab exclusively through reading VNs with a text-hooker. After a year, only chuuni titles have me using Rikaisama in general. I don't need text-hooking for most moege/plotge.
My process was basically:
>tae kim
>radical deck in anki
>basic VNs (everything by union soft essentially)
>refer to DoJG when necessary
From when I first started learning Kana and reading Tae Kim, it took me exactly 2 weeks to start reading.
>>138623797
What I think you should do is regardless of what ability you're at right now, try to read it anyway.
The first time I tried to read it, it was so difficulty.
It took me a very long time to even have any idea of what was being said.
I felt pretty dissuaded and gave up for a while.
A few weeks later I tried again from the start and it was still difficult but slightly easier then last time.
After a few chapters I started having a much easier time and was really enjoying myself.
Just try to read it now (as long as you at least know the basics of grammar), even if you think you might not be ready. If it seems hard, keep at it. It will get better.
>>138623497
Cmon guys I need help....
Btw, I also don't remember any discussion in Tae Kim about 努力してまいります. (specifically まいります)
Does anyone know of a deconjugator program or site?
>>138623917
Obviously you know how many stars the universe has right? Stupidest thing I heard today.
>>138623958
In your experience, would you say that learning radicals is a good idea?
What kind of benefit could I expect from it?
>>138624017
まいります is a conjugation of 参る. It's formal language. Here it's basically a more formal way of saying 努力していく
I'll leave it to someone else to do として, sorry
>>138623497
>I still don't get how として works here.
It indicates role. "as".
>>138624017
>>138624142
Oh, and as for parsing things, you can try ichi.moe but take it with a grain of salt as it sometimes parses things strangely.
>>138624077
Not him but learning from simple to complex is always a good idea. Build on the basics as much as possible.
>>138623497
>>138624017
>今後もお客様との対話の窓口として、より充実していくべく 努力してまいります
>So sorry. however we have no responsibility.
>戦争は大きな犠牲を伴うわけで、我々は何としてもこれを避けなければならない
>We should face our arms buildup.
Started reading Ayakashibito. Disappointingly easy. Well, it's actually making me feel good because I didn't get blown the fuck out like Bradyon Veda. The reason for this is because so far Ayakashibito hasn't had any long spiels of 専門語 like BV did with its unending physics stuff.
>>138624017
dojg
>>138624169
I get that it works that way however I couldn't get how it works specifically for that sentence. I mean DoJG lists として as (in capacity as; as, in the role of) (or something like that).
i.e, if I were to translate it literally, it would mean 'In the capacity of customer interaction' which doesn't make sense to me. Am I missing something?
>>138624142
Thanks.
Friendly reminder that JLPT registration opens today
>>138624227
>imouto speaks both japanese, english, and corporate-ese
impressive
>>138624248
That's why I always recommend Propeller titles as an entry into the chuuni subgenre. The only real difficulty in Ayakashibito is your knowledge about Japanese folklore. There's a lot of infodumping in that regard that gets confusing as fuck. Nothing a Google search can't solve.
>>138624324
窓口 means 'point of contact' according to rikai so it would mean "We will work harder to be a better point of contact for customer interaction"
>>138623913
>日本の語
ワロター
>>138624324
It's being used as in "To improve oneself as a parent" for example. To improve that aspect of oneself so to speak.
>>138624362
I'm looking up about as many words as I do in a moege, even. Not a bad thing just not something I was expecting.
My goal for studying is to read adult Sci-Fi novels, because right now they're the hardest things I know, so it's reasonable to make them into a goal. So in terms of studying reading VNs like this doesn't seem to be a very efficient process which makes me hesitate to do so. I'm stuck in that uncomfortable mid point being intermediacy (sic) and fluency where to bridge the gap I just need to read a lot of easy material (which is just about everything) however reading that easy material feels like a waste due to all the time spent pushing myself. How troubling.
The mini 多読 is coming up for March (15th~31st)! Anons who are interested in pushing themselves to read more should join, no matter what level you're at.
Picture books, graded readers, children's books, news articles for kids, manga, games, VNs, light novels, adult novels all of it is fine! Just read at your own level + try to reach your goal # of pages. If you're motivated by dick waving contests (a lot of people here seem to be) there is a leaderboard, too.
What is 多読? (tldr: read, read, read!) https://readmod.wordpress.com/category/how-to/
Sign up:
-you will need a twitter acct (make a throwaway one for this if you don't already have one)
-you need to follow the @TadokuBot account, this is how your # of pages is tracked
http://readmod.com/ranking
頑張ってね
>>138624383
>>138624430
Thanks, I think I understand now.
>>138624452
Does Japan even have a SF scene now?
>>138624468
I'll pass on this one. I tried doing the 52 book challenge a few years ago and found that it killed all enjoyment of reading for me -- I was reading just to fill my 1 book a week requirement.
>>138624478
I don't know but I'm interested in a lot of older titles like Legend of Galactic Heroes, 9S and 宇宙海兵隊 ギガース. But really, I just really don't like being of the level where I can't just read anything in Japanese without caring that it's in Japanese. For example if I see a nukige or moege or something I'm interested in I'll DL and read it no problem without breaking a sweat. But if I see a cool untranslated SCI-FI novel/manga/etc then I'm just fucked to either not read it or otherwise struggle through it with a dictionary which I don't want to do. I really don't like that.
>>138624678
>I'm just fucked to either not read it or otherwise struggle through it with a dictionary
You can use one of them word mining programs then
>>138624688
You mean texthookers? I have been reading LOGH in firefox via rikai but it's obnoxiously slow going. And every scene without Yan and Reinhardt battling or being cool is hard to sit through.
>>138624506
Did your Japanese improve any?
>>138624506
You know, this post may have just opened my eyes. I've been stressing a lot about reading a proper amount of Japanese, reading 5 hours a day, studying hard... but maybe that's not necessary. Maybe I should just be reading what interests me, when I find it, and being satisfied with that. Don't let Japanese dominate my life. Sure, it'll slow progress, but what do I care? In truth the only reason I stress so much about progress is the fact that I want to be able to converse easily with natives and not embarass myself in front of friends and family who know I've been studying Japanese for a long time (advice: if people know you know Japanese, they will want to go to Japan and take you along to do the speaking). Perhaps it's best to let that anxiety slide off, keep up with reps, and just have a good time with life.
The only problem with this though is that I'd of course want to keep up anki and I don't have enough unseen cards to keep up my pace of new words without substantial reading. So I guess I'm compelled to either way.
>>138624746
No, I mean the one that pre-mines words for you. It's in the guide I think.
>>138624765
That was in English, sorry if you misunderstood.
>>138624359
Fuck off samefag.
Avatarfagging is against the rules and your presence here is cancer.
>>138625185
>i'm gay
Good to know, mate!
I keep having really bad experiences with Japanese people, so I'm not sure if I want to keep learning this language anymore. Dekinai is really close to winning and I don't want to give up but damn
>>138625305
>caring about the language-speakers
kill yourself baka desu senpai
>>138625305What kind of "really bad experiences"?
Surprising fact: Volume 1 of LOGH has only 2028 kanji
I tried parsing all 10 volumes at once but the program crashed
>>138625532
Well, it began when I went down on this Japanese guy in a bathroom stall. I literally had to scrape smegma off my tongue afterwards.
Total kanji in all of logh: 2713
Data can be found here: http://pastebin.com/hX9Y18zA
the number represents how many volumes the kanji appeared in. For example, 10 is all 10 volumes, 5 is just 5 volumes, etc etc.
I'll try and get similar data for vocab count but the program may crash due to size, plus vocab parsing is way less reliable than kanji parsing.
>>138626038
I'd be interested to know how many times each Kanji was used yeah.
>>138626093
http://pastebin.com/GJxEZUwf
Huh. Seems like a single kanji went missing. How mysterious.
Here are the VOCAB stats. http://pastebin.com/Q32uRvGs
Appears to be 23,755 words. Pretty low, or perhaps pretty high. This was generated with MeCab. Will do another run through with JParser too see variance. Will take awhile to process so will post again.
>>138623103
>not liking ボクっ娘
What's fucking wrong with you.
And finally, Jparser vocab count.
http://pastebin.com/NK4ppay0
25,192. Higher, and seems to have more accurate results. Good stuff. Hope this is useful to someone.
>>138626395
>ボクっ娘
It's a word? Dammit. Boku girls are my fetish and I didn't even know this.
>>138626449
>Boku girls are my fetish
FYI the pink haired girl in 恋騎士_PurelyKiss is a 僕っ娘
神の言
お前が知らぬ
馬鹿な人
糞外人よ
早く死ね
>>138626482
>Sword Wielding Heroine
Holy shit double fetish. Added, thanks.
>>138626038
>2713
holy shit, there goes my dreams of reading LoGH
>>138624983
>pre-mines
How does one do this? I couldn't find anything from the guide regarding this.
>>138626537
Its lower than Muramasa by 300 which is good
>>138626292
>>138626448
That's great anon. Would you let those pastebins available to everyone? I feel like it could be interesting to mine from it.
>>138626574
They're public, what do you mean make them available to everyone?
>>138626609
I was asking if you'd let them so or if you plan on deleting or make them private somehow, because if you do I'd like to copy paste them before you do so.
>>138626770
All of this data is less than a meg so you should probably DL it anyway, but either way, I pasted it as a guest user so I can't delete it.
>>138624478
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seiun_Award
Starting to wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to learn readings by Kanji. I know how to write already as well as all the meanings so I'm fine in that regard but grinding vocab is just too annoying.
I know you guys are going to call me a retard but let's put that aside for a second and go with what I said : how would one go about learning all the readings individually? Although I'm an RTK fag RTK2 is just too bad. KD would also be bad since I believe the goal of KD is to learn Kanji and a few of their readings by making stories based on it? Since I already did RTK it'll overlap and just confuse me, on top of making me waste a lot of time. Wanikani perhaps? I don't know much about this.
Thoughts?
>>138628566
Why not learn readings as you encounter them in vocabulary?
That way as you go each reading will also be attached to various vocabulary words that it belongs to in your mind.
As far as I know this is pretty much the one thing that DJT can almost unanimously agree on, that learning a list of readings for each individual kanji is a waste of time.
>>138628566
>I already know this is retarded, but just HOW do I do this retarded thing?
>These two tools that actually help people going down this "retard path" are bad. Memory tricks are going to hurt me, since I've done half the work already.
>Should I go through this method that is behind a paywall and intentionally made to be really slow perhaps?
Take a step back anon, it's time to stop posting.
>>138628823
This is what I've been doing and this is most certainly what I'm going to keep doing but I was just wondering about other viable methods.
>>138628839
There is a Wanikani deck in the guide anon. Well meme'd also, 10/10.
>>138628566
Yeah, WK is perfect for you.
>>138628962
When the Portuguese were in Japan then they didn't know Japanese and no one was there to help them learn, but they knew that if they kept trying then one day they would understand Japanese. If the Portuguese just said, "This language is too hard. We're going back home. We're giving up." then our chance to learn Japanese would have died in 16th century. But the Portuguese said, "I don't care what we have to go through! We're going to learn this language!"
Decades of working every day to learn a language that no other westerner had ever even encountered, and now we have people in 2016 who can't get through a couple hundred reps or a few hours of reading? We have access to resource after resource designed to teach us this language and people are still quitting and saying that it's too hard?
The problem is that most of us have never felt any pain. This is a soft generation filled with people that quit on everything. The Portuguese did not quit! They not only learned Japanese, but they wrote entire dictionaries! They said, "Sure, I did it. I can understand Japanese, but that's not enough for me. Now I'm going to go all the way back to the beginning and write a dictionary!" and we've got people quitting on anki reps?
This generation might be soft, but the blood of those early pioneers who learned Japanese is still within us! Maybe you're only studying for a few hours and thinking that you've given it your all. Come on! Your all is a lot more than you know! You've got more inside of you to give! Don't sell yourself so short!
>>138629085
That pic basically sums up why Japanese is completely retarded.
I wish anime culture had been made by the French or something.
>>138629224
If you don't want to do it, then complaining about it here isn't going to help. Get out of here, you're done and wasting your own time.
If you do, then complaining here ALSO isn't going to help. You only get out what you put into it.
Reading this might help explain the "retarded" issue, as well.
http://www.zompist.com/yingzi/yingzi.htm
>>138629085
This is the best post that has ever come out of /djt/
>>138629224
Les mystérieuses cité d'or off the top of my head, google brings up others:
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=574431
Any other complaints?
Anyone have the Yotsubato Anki deck? It's not in the CoR.
I'm just getting started but I feel the need to say, the CoR really is a goddamn cornucopia. It's so dense, it's like pottery. Even if a lot of it has only been harvested from elsewhere online, it's still a great thing to have; a great resource.
Thanks to everyone for putting it together.
How does /djt/ add audio files to their deck? Is everybody just using the rikaisama feature? Or is there some larger database with pronunciations available somewhere?
>>138629715
It's in the pastebin
>>138629335
>>138629405
I wasn't anon who was asking for help, I was just baiting. Also I'm French actually so I already watched that one.
>>138629335
>>138629678
Thanks for taking the time to find those links though.
>>138622578
I have the image files of literally every VN I've ever read on external HDDs. If my upload speed wasn't shit, I'd upload them to Mega for CoR use. Go ahead and just torrent Evolimit, though. Chances of getting in trouble for torrenting a JP only VN are nonexistent.
I'm going through the WK anki deck and there are some cards like this. Does anyone know if the majority are like this or just a handful?
>>138629085
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(sailor)
I just want to note that a british sailor who shipwrecked and landed on Japanese shores, gaining fluency through sheer exposure, was instrumental in bridging the language gap between us
>>138630959
It's in the main "Guide" section under "Practice."
>>138630959
http://pastebin.com/w0gRFM0c
CTRL-F Reading Pack
Can any of you actually read numbers easily and do math in Japanese? I have a hard time reading even small numbers in Japanese. Even when I make an effort to try and read them in Japanese I still read 47 as "forty seven" and not 「よんじゅうなな」 at first glance.
>>138630426
Has anyone read Shogun? Any good?
Also:
>gaining fluency through sheer exposure
How does this even happen?
>>138631642
The same way babies learn how to talk. You start associating vocalizations with concepts, and then move up from there.
Any ideas of the words?
Thanks in advance.
>>138631898
Forgot to add 薄い
>>138631624
I'm a big autist in that regard and for the longest time I've had a really hard time with numbers in Japanese, as well as giving time and such. Even 2-3 years after I started that shit was just too hard.
But somehow after a while it got better and now I don't have any problem anymore. I remember bringing up this topic once and a DJT anon gave me a good reply about this issue of mine, basically saying that the reason we are good with numbers in our own language is because we've used them many many times, like at school and everything. Because you read some TaeKim chapter or whatever about numbers and learned how to count in a day or two doesn't mean you've mastered numbers.
So yeah, don't worry anon, it'll be fine in the long run, don't be too hard on yourself or anything, one day it'll just feel right. Just force yourself reading them in Japanese whenever they come but that's it, leave the rest to time.
How would you refer to flavour in the context of shit like different flavoured crisps? Like ready salted, cheese and onion etc
Is it just 味?
>>138632154
yea
>>138628566
Have you finished all of RTK1 anon?
>>138631930
>>138631968
Thanks
>>138632703
RTK1 + RTK3 yes. Currently half way through core2k6, I also cleared N5 N4 vocab decks at 100% (full blue/green).
I'm not planning on giving up on Japanese or wasn't even complaining about it as other anons suggested, I just wanted to talk about this topic in particular that's all.
Why are you asking?
>>138631642
Listen to this through to the second lesson
https://youtu.be/shgRN32ubag?t=21m12s
Since the real world isn't so kind, somewhere inbetween these two types of lessons.
>>138632901
What are you wearing?
>>138626537
>2713
>holy shit, there goes my dreams of reading LoGH
It's important to consider some factors. First, LoGH is 10 volumes long, so it's like 2,713 kanji over 10 different novels. Second, of those kanji, 251 only appear once, meaning only 2,462 appear multiple times. Furthermore, if you push it a little more, only 2084 appear 5 or more times. So realistically speaking, you can tackle LoGH with 2084-2462 kanji and theoretically handle it pretty easily (theoretically because of course there's no guarantee the kanji you know will be in LoGH)
>>138632935
I just have my pantsu and a light top at the moment anon.
>>138626537
>2713
Pshhh, that's nothing. Muramasa has like 3100 unique kanji and takes over a 100 hours to read at native pace.Unattainable.
>>138632980
what this really means is boxers and a white t shirt
and this person weighs no less than 300 pounds
>>138633157
Reminds me of that guy over vndb, I forgot the name and it seems I didn't save the picture with all of his quotes. Can someone post it?
>>138633325
>>138633325
What was the context? Was it the famed Clephas trying to convince someone he had attained fluency through machine translations and text hooking?
>>138633425
Yeah here >>138633413, thanks.
>>138633413
Couldn't force the meme on /jp/ so you resigned to spam it on DJT?
>>138633583
? He asked for the image
>>138633413
Clephas is a fucking retard, no doubt about that, but that method is ironically widely regarded as the best way of getting reading practice and acquiring vocab these days.
>>138631898
いい農薄
>>138633583
Are you retarded? Anon asked for it to be posted. I hadn't seen this posted on DJT in a very long time now.
You can do it, anon!
I know you can learn Japanese!
Don't give up!
>>138633637
The fact that he had the image on the computer means what I said still applies. He's come up recently in this thread a few other times too.
I *need* caffeine pills to study effectively these days. I pop like 200 - 400mg pills every day. Energy drinks are too expensive, and I can't focus worth shit without a caffeine rush.
>>138633709
Kill yourself really, you're either fucking stupid or Clephas himself getting butthurt over a meaningless picture.
>>138633709
Kill yourself you salty ass nigga
>>138633803
I haven't gotten to the point of using pills yet, but I think that would be more effective. I just use lots of tea/coffee.
>>138633709
Fucking retard.
>>138633803
And this is why you stay away from pills of any kind, kids
>>138633864
>I just use lots of tea/coffee.
Bad for your teeth to be honest. Not that it stops myself either.
>>138633824
>>138633862
>>138633870
Hit a nerve, did I?
>>138633641
The main reason Clephas' "method" gets shit is specifically the line
>Playing VNs without a text hooker isn't realistic even for most people that do know Japanese
On /jp/ using a texthooker is pretty taboo, because you know so many language learners go to post there and it's pretty annoying, so the people who know Japanese have developed condescension towards them and their activities. So clephas' quote here earns much ire.
Plus look at his line here
>I still hate to play moege-type without a hooker
Because he uses romaji so much on his texthooker he's bad at reading without it which is objectively bad. I know I haven't veen studying for 2 years yet but reading moege without a hooker is not a problem at all. So that part of his method absolutely deserves ire because it's fucking him up.
>>138633709
Sometimes you've got to admit that a meme is a meme and nobody's forcing it
>>138633967
>XD i was only pretending to be retarded!! trolled !!!!!!!!11
>>138633920
My teeth are fucked anyway.
>>138633803
You are addicted and can't focus due to withdrawal symptoms
>>138633973
>Sometimes you've got to admit that a meme is a meme and nobody's forcing it
It was pretty clearly just one person spamming about him in the VN thread.
>>138634060
No lots of people talk about him. Kind of like moogy, kirby/vvav, habluka, whoever, people talk about other people
>>138634011
No no don't worry. You actually are retarded.
>>138634011
Stop replying to him
>>138633413
>>138633641
>>138633973
Honestly I don't know the guy or anything that may have happened but just judging by this image, although he does sound a bit odd and says a bunch of stupid and inconsistent things, I wouldn't go as a far as saying as "his method" sucks or anything.
Isn't that's what everyone does anyway? Learning the basics and readings VNs with a parser whatever?
>>138634178
Yeah of course no one's shitting on that in particular. It's just the "always use a texthooker" and romaji thing. Not a big deal of course, just fun to meme about.
>>138633803
Cut down your caffeine, drink some herbal tea instead to help you relax. Get good sleep. The brain doesn't work well when you're constantly pushing it with caffeine, it needs a break just like your body does after exercising. On that note, go running to release endorphins to make you feel better and relieve more stress.
>>138634091
>kirby/vvav
Only on /vg/ and because he actually posts there.
>moogy
True
>habluka
Another forced meme.. At least for a while it was just one poster who kept bringing him up any time someone had different tastes. The people who have been reading VNs for a while don't go to vndb forums or TLwiki or anything so we don't even know who these people are except for the spamming by the new generation.
>>138633973
The more "recent" DJT certified text-hooking method with ITHVNR + Firefox/Rikaisama is far better. It's essentially just raw text with a mouseover dictionary. No parsing, furigana, romaji or any other bullshit third wheel.
>>138634330
>le 4chan meme detective
Is your existence so pathetic? Getting worked up over internet people?
I'm trying to be realistic about the idea of working in japan for a long period of time. I don't want to lose the flat that i have now for a short term goal.
Are there any other teaching program like JET that have contracts for less than a year?
>>138634298
That's not it. I have short bowel syndrome. Severe vitamin deficiencies regardless of liquid supplements and shots. Caffeine is the only way for me to focus.I'll probably be dead before I can actually utilize this language I'm learning.
>>138634413
I'm angry because the /jp/ thread used to be good and isn't anymore, yes.
I place half the blame on people like you and the other half on the fact that VNs just aren't as good these days.
>>138634492
Eternal november dude
do you ever picture the voice actors going UGHHH WUEE AHHHHHHH SLURP SLURP in their booths during the anime food scenes
>>138634492
>VNs just aren't as good these days
Visual novels have always been terrible, nothing has changed.
>>138634540
Neah shit actually changed drastically since the creation of /vg/. For example, hadler (and other people I think, but it's all anon so who knowsd) used to actually post reviews in the VN thread and now it's just a couple people referencing his twitter.
>>138634487
>Severe vitamin deficiencies regardless of liquid supplements and shots
How? You're making me worry that me supplements might not work for me either here mate
>>138634688
You would know that was false if you actually read VNs. 2009-2012 were great in comparison to now.
>よくわからん
Where do you guys listen to Japanese podcasts? Radios?
>>138634958
http://www.tbsradio.jp/ss954/podcast/index.html
Is nice
>>138635044
Thanks anon.
>>138632901
Sorry I wasn't idling on djt that much the past months so I didn't see your reply even though you replied me 5 mins after.
I hope you see this even if my reply is an hour too late. I'm somewhat hesitant to give you this advice because from what you've been saying so far, I think number-wise you know more, far more kanji in quantity than I do.
However, are you familiar with the term 意符 音符 and 形声文字? All kanji books worth it's salt would teach you about those three terms. I actually have RTK1 but I never read the intros so I don't know if it's ever explained there or not.
If you know what the three terms means, it will helps you immensely with figuring out how to read words, and you may not even have to grind vocab that much.
How to read. Let me give an example, 義理 会議 礼儀 犠牲 all are using a variation of 義. Even if you don't know the meaning of all 4 words, you can "guess" that it’s possibly a ギ, if you are aware of what 形声文字 means and how prevalent it is in Japanese.
So in another example, a 交 can take 交通 学校 効力 郊外 and and you can guess that it's probably a コウ.
Now, you just have to remember that 較 is カク instead of コウ from knowing the word 比較.
That will cut your vocabs grinding by some degree I'd assume.
If you already know how to read, thankfully a lot of japanese words are not 当て字 so while I may never heard the word 校歌 before, I can guesswork that it has something to do with "school" and "song".
Now when it's 当て字, you can guesswork right away if it's 当て字 now that you've finished RTK1. In 寿司, 兎に角, or 目茶苦茶 the kanji is just used for it' sound.
A big percentage of words are 形声文字 so if you have 3,000 kanji in you or whatever is the amount of RTK3 is, just start reading more.
Of course you have to pay attention to irregular readings, and that's where Anki and exposure helps.
>>138634958
What's the point? Japanese people just aren't funny.
>>138635930
There are more to podcasts than just comedy though. I want some listening comprehension aside from anime/VNs and I don't like dramas so I guess podcasts are my best bet.
>>138634779
Alright I have something to ask.
Can you give top 5 VN recommendations for people that can read most manga without a problem? So maybe, not N1 level, but way above N2.
2) How about VN for beginners that just finished reading Tae Kim and Core 6k? What's your top 5?
3) Lastly, what's your personal top 5 regardless of people's 日本語能力?
>>138636111
you do realize both 1 and 2 are unreasonable requests
figure out how to entertain yourself instead of put it on someone else to steer you in a direction
>>138636216
The guy said he has been reading tons of VNs and that VNs these days are not as good as VNs from years back.
He portrayed himself as someone who have lots of hours playing VNs. I want to hear his opinion to my questions. I'm not asking him recommendations for myself per se.
Did you read the context of the chain replies before typing your reply?
Or are you just being argumentative towards me just for the sake of being argumentative?
>>138636381
youre asking people for top 5 lists. just shut up
also if you dont understand how unreasonable it is to ask for vn recommendations for various gaijin milestones of study, then youre actually retarded
>>138636535
I'm not going to engage with you anymore. You have a nice day and good luck with your Japanese study. I hope everything goes well for you.
>>138636111
> Lastly, what's your personal top 5 regardless of people's 日本語能力?
Just check the lies of 2ch votes for VNs by year and look at the years 2009-2012
My preferences are pretty similar to everyone elses except that I don't like super chuuni stuff.
>tfw planning two and a half weeks trip to Japan
hold me anons
>>138636686
勉強することなんてもう必要ない
日本になったから
俺は・・日本
君に幸あれ
>>138637003
Where exactly are you going?
>>138637049
I don't have an exact route planned yet, but I'll probably go all over the place. Tokyo, Kyoto, Osaka, stopping at an Onsen for two or three days on my way to Hokkaido, or at least that's how I'm imagining it. I just got started looking around for all the things to be done today and I'm already stoked as fuck.
>>138637207
dont do all the touristy shit. rent a motorcycle and just drive it up north, letting the wind be your guide
figure out where to eat and when to sleep when you get hungry and sleepy accordingly
also make sure you roll through tohoku and see how devastated it still is
>>138637207
Nice, good for you anon. I think what I'd like to see the most is 北海道. If I'm lucky enough, I might go this year or the next.
>>138635753
Thanks for your comment. Funny enough
>義理 会議 礼儀 犠牲
>義理 会議 礼儀 犠牲
I've started seeing those in core and wondered the same thing, "they all got the same main radical and are all pronounced the same way... it's gonna make things easier". Your explanation confirms all the things my brain seems to have guessed on its own.
>That will cut your vocabs grinding by some degree I'd assume.
The order cards are in core is rather nice in that aspect, pretty sure it was built that way actually.
Once again although my original comment was worded perhaps a bit too strongly I wasn't really complaining. It's true I can write 3k Kanji and so I can tell Kanji apart very easily but I'm still kinda just barely started when it comes to vocab, I'm just 3000 cards in core after all (doing 50 a day). These past days I've actually found things getting a bit better, so if I just keep at this pace it'll be fine I'm sure. My brain just needs time to adjust and gets used to it.
I'm tired so I'll sleep now.
>>138630230
Install wakafont
>>138637472
>http://ysjapanese.wp-x.jp/2016/01/phonetic-components-of-kanji/
Here's a good list of examples of these kind components
>>138634487
I always need coffee and a smoke before starting to learn.
I'm going to die sooner than you.
>>138637912
Interesting, thanks.
got a couple quick questions.
is there a difference between the "topic" that the -はparticle indicates and the subject of a sentence? I know you can switch topics using はbut I'm having ahard time seeing why i see people making the distinction.
second. I heard a phrase in a song i ended up trying to break down to understand the particles it uses
>音楽が好きな気持ち 誰にも止められない
which the subs translated as
>The feeling you like music can't be stopped by anyone
What's killing me is that が。 like, I get that 好き is describing きもち and not 音楽, but what is the が indicating it as an object to? the 好きな気持ち (as the object of desirable feelings) or the 止められない (the object of not being stopped)?
based on the translation, i could guess it's the former, but the structure kinda looks like it's both at once? the subject of the translation is the "feeling" while "music" is some kind of weird adjective (my grammar is rusty but it's certainly not the subject), but the whole phrase ("feeling" described by "liking music") is the object of "not being stopped"
>>138638357
>is there a difference between the "topic" that the -はparticle indicates and the subject of a sentence? I know you can switch topics using はbut I'm having ahard time seeing why i see people making the distinction.
Yes. Here is an example:
俺「おれ」は魚「さかな」が好「す」きだ。
About me, I love fish. (Or less literal, I like fish.)
Here, は marks what it is you're talking about (in this case, me). It marks the topic of the sentence. The rest is just a comment on the topic (魚が好きだ).
が here is used to mark the subject to which the property 好き is applied to. Can you see the difference?
>>138637912
It struck me that this list would be nice as small anki deck. With the provision that there are exceptions.
>>138637912
If anyone's interested, here is the thesis on which the Tofugu article that the guy used was based : https://sdsu-dspace.calstate.edu/bitstream/handle/10211.10/1203/Townsend_Hiroko.pdf?sequence=1
>>138626292
What program did you use?
>>138638357
just read ty kim dude
if you do that youll learn those and many other things
Do you think Snake's "Kept you waiting" is just a literal translation of おまたせ?
>>138638986
FEEL
>>138638576
yes, 魚 is the subject of an adjective but it's not being talked about, 俺 is
>>138638726
forgot about that. looking right now
>>138638357
1. Stop relying completely on fan translations other than to help you understand the gist of the sentence.
Example, Mangastream translates a line なんて不運だ into "what a shitty luck". That's a translation choice made by the translator. I would choose to translate 不運 into "misfortune" instead of "shitty luck", and Viz official translation chose "misfortune" also.
2. Due to language difference, it's hard to equate what the English language called a "subject" and equates it 1:1 to Japanese は and が。
Don't take my word 100% on this because I learned japanese fundamentals before I ever was on djt but from what I was taught about は and が, the gist of it is this,
は is "pointing attention to a topic on which comments are made"
が is "marker of introductory statements" and also "light contrast"
3. Read the theoretical difference between は and が in published books specifically catered to grammars, like DoJG or particles books.
4. Read more.
>>138639104
Exactly, because Japanese is a so called topic–comment language. The best explanation of the difference between は and が is in the DOBJG. Also, you might want to check out the book A handbook of particles which has a lot of information on it.
>>138636111
Just read whatever you're interested in.
>>138637472
>>138638196
Kanji books worth it's salt will teach you that. There is a plus and minus to RTK series but RTK2 simplified the process and you can see the 形声文字 in action.
>>138624468
>tfw can't think of a username because everything's taken
助けて
>>138640025
How about chamcham?
>>138640142
Taken
I look at the books around me for inspiration but everything is taken. I wouldn't mind if the name was djt inspired but I can't think of anything.
>>138640437
JLPTN1INSEVENYEARS ?
>>138640497
Too long. It cuts it off.
>>138638724
JapaneseTextAnalysisTool from the OP
