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>>134150507
JAPANESE LANGUAGE DIFFICULTY POWER RANKINGS
EASY-BUT-TAKES-AWHILE:
JOUYOU KANJI
CORE10K VOCABULARY
BASIC GRAMMAR
KINDA-HARD:
SENMON VOCAB
LISTENING
OW FUCK MY EYES:
MANHYOUGANA
PRE-WAR KANJI AND KANA ORTHOGRAPHY
GOD, WHY! WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE:
RENDAKU
NAMES
うるさい TURNING INTO っせぇ
ENGRISH WRITTEN IN HIRAGANA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
The devil finds work for idle hands.
>>134184374
Rendaku becomes rather intuitive after enough exposure.
>>134184405
And then it uppercuts you when you least expect it.
My best friend died of cancer today and I still finished my reps, I guess that's what a habit does to you.
>>134185172
Work is a great cure for worrying and sorrow. You should triple your reps.
>>134185172
Good, never skip your reps.
Anyone know of a tool like Translation Aggregator but for linux?
>>134185172Nice blog.:^)
>google something unfamiliar
>first result is explanation for exactly what I didn't understand
>http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/21834/unfamiliar-phrase-ありきたりっちゃありきたり
Noice
>>134185352
Tryinstalling Windows
>>134185228
Good idea.
>>134184374
rendaku and うるさい TURNING INTO っせぇ are way easier than vocab
>>134185664
It is my opinion that vocab is not hard, but is rather tedious to accumulate; senmon vocabulary was put under kinda-hard because certain words have difficult to understand, abstract definitions.
>>134184374
>うるさい TURNING INTO っせぇ
i laughed but now im not sure if you meant this as a joke
Have you guys ever felt that Japanese isn't the final destination?
I mean, I used to think I would only ever need Japanese and English, but the more I study, the more I get this urge to learn another language after Japanese, like Mandarin or Cantonese.
>>134186037
Yes
>>134186087
I wipe those thoughts away by thinking of the thousands of hours I would inevitably spend grinding vocabulary. Huge opportunity cost
>>134186087
I'd rather master Japanese than learn a bunch of different languages and half ass Japanese
>Due to his awareness of human limitations, Shinran advocates reliance on tariki, or other power (他力)—the power of Amitābha (Japanese Amida) made manifest in his Primal Vow
>tfw theism infected buddhism
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
>>134186087
I've been thinking maybe Korean, but that's 5+ years off. I want to have a really solid grasp on Japanese first.
>>134186841
I don't see any need to learn Korean. I already know enough words just from Japanese to be pretty much fluent in Korean without even trying.
>>134188067
What? Do they share vocabulary or something?
>>134188219
Pretty much. See: わんわん！わんわん！
I'm just starting the deck but I can already think of an easy-to-do improvement for the DOJG deck. Add to the example sentences the entry numbering like KS(A), KS(B), etc. and Ex. (a), Ex. (b), etc.
Deleted all my decks
Feels good to finally be free. Won't be long until I forget everything I've learned.
Shit language and culture tbfh. Wasted over a year and a half on it thinking it'd get better when I understood more and more. Quite the opposite in fact.
>>134184393
What's the source of that image anyway?
>>134188564
Look at this faggot and laugh.
>>134188564
さようなら
>>134188219
No, they don't. He's a retard
>>134188564
M-maki navy anon?
Anyway I don't follow you. After 2-3 VNs I didn't struggle with grammar much. After 20 VNs I realized I knew pretty much every word I saw. I didn't stress over it or anything. I just read VNs and had a good time (and did some anki). No idea why you went on a downward spiral. Oh well.
>>134188676
He is asserting that, the more he understood the language, the more he started to hate the "culture", even though he was expecting the opposite to be the case, which left him in a somewhat dejected state of mind.
Recently took the JCAT
damn I'm in bad shape for the N2 on sunday
>>134184374
>RENDAKU
>NAMES
>うるさい TURNING INTO っせぇ
>ENGRISH WRITTEN IN HIRAGANA
None of these are a really big deal. They should all fall into easiest, except for names which should go into easy-but-takes-a-longer-while.
>>134188564
Are you proud of yourself?
>>134186087
Going to do Latin and quit Japanese when I get bored of cartoons and comic books. Can already feel myself engaging in them less and less as the months go on. Don't have the willpower or the time to maintain both of them. Have too many other hobbies.
>>134188767
Oh. My mistake.
I can see that I guess. If I didn't like cute girls a lot I could see myself getting disappointed while reading VNs.
>>134188818
That was just joking, of course, except for names, which are undeniably a big "fucking why Japan" phenomenon.
>>134188564
Goodbye failure. Hope your next efforts won't be such tremendous failures.
I'm trying to into Japanese with Anki, but I keep getting a 'please install mplayer' error. How DO I install mplayer? I can't find the option in Anki or on their webpage.
>>134188564
You can't DO ANYTHING
>>134188845
Yep
>>134188921
Except I didn't fail?
If you play a video game, and after 10 hours you decide you don't like it so you uninstall it, that doesn't mean you fail at playing it.
Wanting to finish it but being unable to is failure. Japanese is literally a case of: Do your reps
Anyone can learn it if they spend enough time
>>134188781
It's okay, Chris. Let's do our best together.
>134189168
Holy shit what an attentionwhore.
How long does it take to get your JLPT test results?
>>134189168
>Wasted over a year and a half working on a skill which didn't amount to nothing and will eventually be completely lost
Sure you didn't. What counts is the journey.
>Japanese is literally a case of: Do your reps
No wonder you failed.
>>134189168
Is this what you always tell yourself after you fail at something?
>>134189168
>Anyone can learn
Except you that is
>>134189245
They should be out February, March at the latest.
The site says results will be mailed out late January, so I'm expecting them to arrive somewhere middle of February.
I didn't get my site info and voucher till last week and they promised it early November, so expect some extra lead time on this stuff.
Maybe they post it online and we can access it in January.
>>134188781
When I scored this on October 14th, I knew it was a good choice to leave the N2 for next year. I took N3 last year and passed it with 134 and this year I didn't put much effort into learning Japanese. I've been taking measures to fix my weaknesses since taking the JCAT (mostly reading practice and grammar).
>>134189249
>Wasted over a year and a half working on a skill which didn't amount to nothing
I read stuff I wanted to read. Played stuff I wanted to play. Watched stuff I wanted to watch
Then came the part where the novelty of "I can read/listen to Japanese!" wore off and I came to realize just how trashy Japanese culture is
Maybe when you get beyond 1000 vocab and also experience native content, you'll understand
>>134189270
Except I did? Unless you're going to arbitrarily define "learned" in which case, I'll do the same and no one ever learns any language. Ever.
>>134189245
The online result announcement is at the beginning of february, getting the actual paper certificate can take another month
>>134189249
>No wonder you failed.
Not that guy, but I by and large agree with him... of course, reading and listening practice is VERY essential, man can't live on reps alone, but in my opinion, those are fairly passive activities; there's the initial bump of learning a language where you have to really study grammar and every other word is unknown, but that only lasts a couple months, after that it's literally years upon years of casual reading for vocabulary acquisition; the bulk of learning Japanese really is just "do your reps" in the sense that all you need to do is steadily increase your vocabulary.
If someone passes the initial grammar bump, and never gives up anki (see: always adds new words, doesn't have review cap), then I definitely think they will learn Japanese no matter what.
>>134189479
You are genuinely pathetic. It's too late to quit gracefully now.
Right, so went through the big Google document and I just gotta ask, but even with the START HERE prompt, I admit it seems like it looks like there's a shit ton to keep organized. Or at the very least it seems very overwhelming.
Has anyone here flunked a JLPT test? What level?
>>134189479
How do you only manage to realize your opinion of a culture 1.5 years after committing yourself to study and participate in it?
It sounds a little bit like you're trying to justify giving up.
>>134189751
t. Japanese cultural expert who has seen lots of anime
>>134189606
How autistic can you possibly manage to be?
Are you projecting his failure onto yourself, because you know that most likely you haven't tried near as hard as him, so him quitting means to you that soon you will to?
Stop being such a fucking kek.
>>134189796
>>134189848
>>134189949
all the same person
>>134190141
wew...
How important is sleep really?
Is six hours enough?
>>134190830
Isn't there a theory that memory consolidation is done during sleep? 6 hours is 2 cycles, sounds fine, if you're actually getting 6 hours and not going to bed and falling asleep an hour later.
>>134190830
Nobody knows
>>134190830
It's not insufficient in a way, then depending on various factors it may not be sufficient either, depending. What I'm trying to say is it depends on various factors. Please cherish your well being as much as possible.
How can I use my kindle to get shit from amazon.jp and still be hooked to my regular amazon account?
If above is not possible, where do you guys get your jap ebooks?
>>134190830
5 hours works fine.
>>134190830
２４時間働けますか？
>>134188676
Anon, just wondering: how much anki did you do over the course of your 20 VNs? Did you put most of the words you didn't know into the deck to grind? Or just the really pesky ones you had problems remembering?
>>134191406
I mined 5,100 words. For the first 1,000 or so words, I only added words with kanji I didn't know; this was a hard time because it was a new kanji every single new card (I had just finished core2k, and so had 1,000 kanji known). For words 1,000-3,500 I added any word with unknown kanji... OR with kanji I failed to read (i.e. I know both 感 and 染 in 感染 but I didn't know 染's on reading so I added the word). This worked much better. For words 3,500-5,100 I added any word which I couldn't guess from context (at this point, I saw very few new kanji). That's pretty much what I'm still doing.
I think it's probably better to add every single word you don't know. Reason being: if it's an easy word like 水 or something, you'll absolutely smash it with 100% retention and it won't be a lot of work. So there won't be a lot of time wasted on "easy" cards even if you add a lot of "easy" cards. The only problem with adding every word is that it will take longer to learn kanji if you don't balance it.
>>134190830
The SuperMemo guy has an overdetailed article here: http://www.super-memory.com/articles/sleep.htm
The key point:
> Go to sleep only when you are very tired. Not earlier. Not later. Wake up naturally without an alarm clock.
>>134191686
If I did that my sleep schedule would continually shift hours into the future and my day schedule would crumble.
>>134191686
Holy shit that is a fuckhuge article
How did you guys learn grammar? Did you actually make notes and do exercises, or did you just read resources like Genki and focus on being able to read the example sentences?
>>134191686
It's easy to keep your mind awake if you're doing something compelling. Shit advise.
>>134191865
Read Tae Kim
Do DOJG Deck in Anki
Read Native Material
Reference Back to Tae Kim when You Don't Understand Something But Remember Seeing It In Tae Kim
>>134191865
Read tae kim and take notes.
>>134191994
You underestimate the importance of a good night's sleep, not eating junk food and exercise. I once did too.
Is using that dojg deck a good idea?
>>134191686
The problem I have is my curtains are shit and so once the sun's risen my room is bright as fuck and I have to wake up. Is this bad?
>>134192301
615 cards in exchange for knowing most grammar patterns you'll see while reading. Sounds worthwhile, doesn't it?
>>134192004
>>134192158
Are the issues with Tae Kim's guide overblown? Read a few rants on it and got the impression that it overgeneralizes.
>>134192548
It's ULTIMATELY good, and definitely worth reading; no grammar guide is perfect (except DOJG) so you may as well read Tae Kim which is both brief and understandable.
>>134191865
Watched anime
>>134192617
>no grammar guide is perfect (except DOJG)
Careful there, DOJG has flaws of omission.
>毎日お暑ですね。
Typo in the DOJG deck, it's missing an い.
>>134192937
The content in DOJG is perfect and accurate. You can point at Imabi and laugh at 人を先に使う, for example, but you can't really point at any bit of DOJG and have it actually be wrong.
>>134193001
Yes, I know what you're saying. I'm just spitting the shit.
Noob going through tae kim's section on explanatory の:
what's the difference between 学生じゃないんだ and 学生なんじゃない?
>>134192617
Good to know, thanks.
>いい、まだです
Another typo. Should be いえ.
>>134193309
I dunno why you're posting here, those errors have been there literally for 9 months
>>134193171
"The thing is, (he) isn't a student."
vs.
"It's not necessarily the thing that (he) is a student."
Use the first one.
>>134193171
> 学生じゃないんだ
It's [like, I'm] not a student
>学生なんじゃない
It's not [like, I'm] a student
The "like" is just there in my translation to keep the "not" clause from being parsed as a relative clause. [It's not "I'm a student"] would work differently.
The first one is a statement that, fact is, you're not a student.
The second one is a statement that, fact isn't, you're a student.
It's like a partial negative. Let's imagine a situation like this:
- Are you a student?
- I'm not a student.
That kind of exchange might use the first kind.
- Are you studying?
- It's not [like] I'm a student.
(again, the "like" is only there to keep the "not" clause from being interpreted as a quote.)
That kind of exchange might use the second kind.
Essentially, just like english, the "not" is in a different place, which means that they can be used for certain levels of logical inversion.
Oh, and please don't take my examples as gospel, I'm not fluent.
>>134192270
That's why having a fixed schedule is important. You simply won't feel tired sometimes.
/djt/, what is your favorite picture from the anki core decks?
>>134193775
Elbow boob.
>>134193775
>actually having pictures in the deck
They are pointless so I didn't bother
>>134192301
>>134192395
Where can you get this deck?
>>134193445
頭とおしりが同時に決まってくると思うよ。おにーちゃん
片方しか使えない
>まだ、学生「 ＿ 」
両方使えるけど、どっちをいれるかで全然違う意味になる
>そっか、もう学生「 ＿ 」
>>134193885
>come back to check /djt/
>imouto using kanji
disgusting
>>134190830
I have several nip friends and all of them confess to sleeping 6 hours a day or less. Crazy motherfuckers.
>>134193835
http://www.mediafire.com/download/g0388ruwmhz6x0l/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E6%96%87%E6%B3%95%E8%BE%9E%E5%85%B8%E4%BE%8B%E6%96%87%E5%85%A8%E9%9B%86%28cloze%29%288%29.apkg
Holy fucking shit. I didn't expect this story to open up with a fucking horror prologue. I'm shaking in fear goddamn
>>134188564
kelk
>>134194421
That's an old version. Here's the newest one:
https://mega.nz/#F!HlFTiCxI!I3_D5C9_NyysiMHOfr0pkw
>>134194529
>Shaking in fear when you don't understand most of the words
Ok bud.
私を日本語で一番
>>134194621
You don't know me?
>>134188595
Shuudan rape mensetsu or something.
>>134194683
hate this meme
>japanese friend has the same birthday as me
>my name means a certain thing in my native language
>japanese name with the same meaning is homonym of his name
World is weird sometimes.
Today was my first day with mature cards.
I got 2 correct out of 3.
>>134195050
そりゃ傷つくわー
Can I do the DOJG deck if I have no prior exposure to grammar and aren't doing any reading?
That is, is it a good first exposure to grammar, and can it be followed if I'm still working on vocab?
>>134195690
No, read Tae Kim's guide first
>>134195415
Within the margin of error. You're still getting used to SRS, so don't worry about your stats yet.
>>134195415
You should probably give up
>>134195690
You pretty much have to do Tae Kim first. DOJG deck offers explanations, but it doesn't *teach* the fundamental grammar necessary to understand the explanations in the first place. To put it another way - you NEED to be able to read the example sentences and see how the grammar works, if you haven't done any grammar beforehand (tae kim) you'll just be lost. If you try it out you'll see what I mean. It explains how は～だ is used, but it doesn't explain particles. So you need to do Tae Kim to learn about particles.
Would anybody be against an IRC group or something of that nature for meta on things and general banter and how to improve stuff and...friendship comraderie?
ちなみに、油揚げを別に買ってきて、それを魚焼きグリルで焼き、酢飯を中に入れて、ポン酢を付けて食べるのも、これまた上級者！ さっぱり頂けてマジウマし！
>油揚げを別に買ってきて
Is this saying that if you buy the inarizushi seperately.. etc?
>>134195980
I would join it, but /a/nons are typically against IRCs.
IRC would be much better than skype, in any case. The social norms of IRC were established by the original basement dwellers.
>>134196063
>skype
>direct beaming autism to microsoft data centers
>>134196081
I know, right?
Can someone post the video where japs made a game show about trying to pronounce english words to Siri.
It was posted here a few days ago.
>>134195980
It'd turn into an autistic circle jerk very fast, like is always the case with these things, and reddit would flood in.
>>134196063
Naw skype is doxing heaven.
Irc you can at least mess with it.
I've never been in an irc room before what's the social standards? Dont be an obnoxious faggot?
>>134196202
You seem to have read the post wrong.
>>134196202
>I've never been in an irc room before what's the social standards? Dont be an obnoxious faggot?
Pretty much
there's a lot of similarity between the social standards of generals and IRCs
>>134196170
It's YamaP no kiss.
>>134196231
My hands are cold my bad.
>>134196266
I guess it's really not necessary because this general is fine because of a s moderation. Im glad it's on here instead of jp because than wed have more trips and names and avatarfags. The ones we have are pretty cordial. Honestly I just want some friends and feel like im making this place better.
突っ伏せる
RENDAKUUU
>>134196635
Got it right. やった！
>>134196635
It's after a っ, you know 100% that it has to be hard sound rendaku even without looking it up.
>>134196635
Why would you ever think that つっふ would be an acceptable sound to make?
>>134196685
>>134196729
>>134196759
野垂れ死に・・・・
>>134196785
なにが言いたいの？
>pick random short nukige
>blackmail femdom h scene
>scene has a lot of non-moaning dialogue as a result
>harder than diamonds and reading it is a productive use of my time
Don't forget to read compelling content, DJT.
>>134197152
>read compelling content
>neet talks about how he wasted his life and regrets spending all of his time in front of a PC doing nothing with all the free time available to him
>feel like absolute garbage
Be sure to read compelling, happy content
>>134189549
What do you mean review cap?
>>134197232
Anki by default limits your reviews to 100 (i.e. a review cap of 100). This means even if you have 200 reviews scheduled for a day, anki will only show you 100 of them. This is pretty much god-awful. Many unsuspecting people (they have posted here several times) end up with THOUSANDS of reviews built up, due to only doing 100 a day. It's awful and completely ruins your chances of success.
>>134197288
How do I undo this?
>>134195992
>>134197203
we're all gonna make it bros
>>134197328
Click on a deck, go to options on the botom, select the "reviews" tab, put in 9999 in the maximum reviews/day box.
>>134196460
What does your captain's dick taste like?
How far into studies were you when you started playing Japanese vidya and begin to understand it, and what game?
>>134197422
Thank you.
>>134197461
I have a pokemon emerald rom on my phone, I play it when I have downtime on my phone and don't know what else to do, over the course of a year i went from knowing jackshit to playing it like it was in English (minus knowing the pokemon names and moves).
>>134197461
1.5 years. Nayuta no Kiseki
>>134197335
何かがおかしいよ
探しても探してもワルドさんが見つからない
>>134198397
あ、今ググったらWaldoは日本ではウォーリーという名前らしい
ワルドだったらワールド（世界）と勘違いしやすいからかな
Is this grammatically correct?
ネコマスターにおれはなる！！
(I will become a cat master)
>>134198619
Cut out the おれは it's implied by context
Is there anything for studying Japanese that you'd consider worth buyfagging that you can't just download somewhere?
>>134198647
ネコマスターになる！
is a better way of saying it?
Is leaving it おれは kind of explicitly saying it and not typically done?
>>134198467
日本人に馴染みがないからじゃね？
ドナルドは本名ロナウドだしな
>>134198647
The おれは part is clearly intention.
>>134198666
Manga. Scans are usually so shit they're unreadable and scanlation groups will never ever share raws.
>>134198619
It would sound better with おれは at the beginning. Taking it out entirely is fine too, but leaving it in sounds more emphatic
>>134198666
In terms of things that you can't pirate
1) Anki for iPhone for those unfortunate enough to not have an Android
In terms of things you can pirate
1) Dictionary of Japanese Grammar Series
... Honestly I expected a bit more. Tae Kim's guide being legally free, Anki being free, and Jisho being free really means most good tools are free. I would pay a lot of money for Chiitrans Lite, I think, knowing just how fucking essential it was, but that too is free (and now I don't *really* need it).
Anon has a point about manga, the scans for older manga (Card Captor Sakura last I checked) are often just plain unpleasant to read.
>>134198666
I bought a kobun textbook, and several novels.
>>134186604
>not first
What
>>134198647
>>134198793
>>134198895
What's your point?
>>134198916
pic is the point.
>>134198944
I don't get it. Explain.
>>134198949
You have no enough Japanese skill for correcting others' grammatical error.
>>134198771
>>134198795
How's the quality of used manga? I noticed buying new is several times more expensive for a lot of the series I want.
>>134198984
I disagree.
>>134199009
go pound sand, kek
>>134199003
They probably read it while on the shitter than clean their asses with the pages once they're done
>>134199067
Jokes on you, I don't even know what that means and I'm not gonna look it up.
>>134199003
I have never bought any, but I've read that used stuff from Japanese is generally in good condition.
I'm hate buying used books in the US. Sometimes you get really lucky, like the German read I bought that looked brand new. Other times you get unlucky, like the textbook I bought where literally 90% of the book was highlighted. I'm not exaggerating. I wish I kept it just so I could show people how ridiculous it was.
>>134199003
You'll get hotglue on maybe 50% of used shit you buy from Japan, it's crazy
>>134198895
>>134198467
こんにゃのがあったよ。おにいちゃん
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2269121
>>134199153
>posting XK "I'm the creator and a gay faggot" CD crap
>>134199239
There is nothing wrong with that strip.
>>134199203
Where's Waldo?とよばれているのはアメリカとカナダだけだったか
全然知らなかった
>>134199153
Cutting out subject is grammatically incorrect in Japanese, it's just allowed.
>>134199153
I don't get it. Is it supposed to be funny because he's acting like a Muslim?
>>134199203
とりあえず気色悪い日本語話すのやめてくれ
どうせオッサンなんだから
>>134199282
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
But it's obvious that the person who posted the original question was just posting it as a ひっかけ問題. He wouldn't have thought to do so unless he too thought it was slightly unnatural (or at least, that other ways would be more natural if just assuming that it's a beginner trying to say a silly sentence without extra context). He then posted the context and acted smug about "hurr your suggestions are wrong"
So the xkcd comic is pretty accurate, I think.
>>134199377
Aw man, now that you mention it, you're probably right. I thought >>134198895 was a second party jumping in but no, it was a leading question, for sure. Feels bad man.
>>134199377
I'm native Japanese and I can say the original is grammatically correct. Of course the impression will differ from 俺はキャットマスターになる！ or キャットマスターになる！
But since キャットマスター itself is not even proper word, people would assume he is pretending to be Luffy, so the original one is only one correct answer.
>>134199458
It was ネコマスター you korean
>>134199487
キャットマスター is better then. ネコマスター is composition of Japanese word and English word so it sounds little bit strange.
>>134199458
I didn't say it wasn't grammatically incorrect, just that other ways would be more natural. Although if he is trying to imitate Luffy as you said, then clearly it was the right way.
>>134199590
>just that other ways would be more natural.
I got input from a native myself and he said 俺は in the front rather than the middle sounded better so I will agree with you.
It really does seem that a clear-cut correction was turned into a "BUT TECHNICALLY" situation rather than a productive one
Personally I think this
おれはキャットマスターになる
sounds the best. But original is also grammatically correct
The original post was this>>134198619
And only correct answer is he did not grammatical mistake and it completely depends on the situation if it is more natural or not compared to others.
>>134199653
>I got input from a native myself and he said 俺は in the front rather than the middle sounded better so I will agree with you.
He is right, but he is talking about natural sound so if you talk about the line ネコマスターに俺はなる！., only this original phrase sound natural and other sound strange at least without contexts.
>>134199818
>And only correct answer is he did not grammatical mistake and it completely depends on the situation if it is more natural or not compared to others.
If someone asks a question like that in a beginners thread and doesn't say anything about the context it's completely fair to assume they are just a beginner trying to make a silly sentence, and there is no deep situation. In that case, the most "standard" way of saying it is the best one.
The point is just that he was technically right but it was a faggy ass leading question and this conversation doesn't deserve to continue.
>>134199818
>And only correct answer is he did not grammatical mistake
He didn't make an objective grammatical mistake, of course, but if you think of the context (i.e. an apparent beginner trying to construct a sentence) then he clearly did not choose the most optional phrasing. Right?
I mean, I don't want to argue with a native on this, it's a losing battle, I just want the situation to be clear-cut and everyone on the same page.
>>134199003
Good luck buying Jap Manga in Burgerland, queer.
おれ、ツインテイルになるます
>>134199962
なりまする！
>>134199962
Forgive me for I have posted before reading my own post.
おれ、ツインテイルになります
>>134199905
>>134199911
His original phrase is ネコマスターに俺はなる！！
How beginner who is trying to construct a natural sentence use two exclamation mark at the end?
The exclamation mark is not proper mark in Japanese so it is technically grammatically incorrect.
Most of native Japanese would assume it was from manga line. That's why I said it is grammatically correct (when you ignore exclamation marks) but only sound natural in this word order.
わたしわ
飲みする
でんだい
頃背亜字
>>134199962
ツインテイルだと、たぶんこっちになっちゃうよ。おにいちゃん
Can we all just agree you'll never learn Japanese?
>>134200095
>>134200114
I CAN learn Japanese, because I have amphetamines.
>>134184374
Kyujitai isn't that hard c'mon
God damn the ordering of the core2k/6k deck is fucking stupid.
>>134200218
I agree
>>134200218
What's a better order and where can I get it before I ruin myself?
>>134200185
I hear that Japanese natives struggle to read pre-war books in kyujitai so unless that's a lie then I have to disagree.
>>134200262
Maybe if they've never read such a book before.
I mean, yeah you have to learn them, so you aren't just gonna be able to skim through a book that's full of them. But you only have to learn each one once, you already know the words, and many of them look similar to the shinjitai.
Basically, "Japanese can't automatically do it" doesn't mean it's hard, it just means that it isn't something Japanese specifically study.
>>134200322
>Basically, "Japanese can't automatically do it" doesn't mean it's hard
Well, keep in mind it was put under "WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE" not "HARD". Names aren't really "hard" but at the same time they're real bullshit, just like having to learn kyuujitai
>>134200386
Fair enough.
>tfw you don't know how to read Tae Kim
>>134200458
>tfw you don't know how to read Genki
>>134200464
>tfw when you don't know how to read English
>>134200458
>>134200464
>tfw you didn't read either and learnt Japanese anyways
>>134200218
Are you using the optimised i+1 deck? pic related
>>134200531
Where is this and why is the bullshit order one in the pastebin?
>>134200218
While this is true and the ordering is pretty bad, I think I would still recommend any beginners do it, simply because it's so convenient, much easier to set up and use than a mining deck, and all the words except 日ソ are essential and you'll end up learning them anyway. I think the downside of learning a few words a bit early and a few words you'll already know from reading by the time they come up in Core, while non-ideal, doesn't counter out these advantages.
Is there a way to generate a kanji grid for all of my cards and not just one deck?
>>134200872
Drag decks over each other and use kanjigrid on the temporarily joined decks
I think there comes a point where one's worries changes from "Will I be able to learn Japanese" into "Will I ever be good at Japanese", and I can't tell which is worse. It feels good, now, to know Japanese, to read and listen and have a swell time of it, but it feels BAD, wondering if I'll ever SOUND Japanese and not so gaijin-esque, if I'll ever be able to write essays that don't read like garbage, if i'll ever be able to... be GOOD at Japanese...
>>134200960
>Wanting to do anything besides read/listen
Fag.
Is つ used as a counter for your own age often? I just heard it in anime.
>>134200606
This one is in the optimised i+1 order
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/953269262
That said, I took a quick glance at the deck in the Anki Startup pastebin without the media files (http://www.mediafire.com/download/2hzy5cz5urb8da6/core2k+6k+backup.apkg) and I don't really see anything bad about the ordering.
>>134199930
You can buy full sets of used manga from Japanese Amazon.
>>134200960
I've been able to fool japs into thinking I am a native after only two years of light conversation practice with japanese friends.
>>134201065
Nah
>>134201084
finland?
>>134201202
No, russian anon.
>>134201227
Doesn't count. Russian is just another form of mong speak, so you pretty much already knew Jap to begin with.
>>134201001
How do the fuck do I train my listening? I want to understand my seiyuufus.
>>134201275
>How do I get better at X?
Do more X.
>>134201275
watch with japanese subtitles
>>134201254
>tfw know russian
i can learn japanese
>>134201254
>>134201254
Russian is way more closer to Japanese in pronunciation than English is so I guess you're right.
>>134201604Have you watched those movies I recommended to you?
Anyone use A Frequency Dictionary of Japanese? It seems quite useful, it's got the 5000 most common vocabulary and I wonder if that's applicable to be learned. Apparently those 5000 make up like 95% or something of all conversations.
>>134201778
>do core2k/6k
>never care about "a frequency dictionary" ever again
>>134201710
not yet, I still have some more things on my backlog.
I'll get around to it though. Saved your list of recommendations and downloaded a couple of them too.
今日は頑張りたくない、実は。
>>134184374
ほり ふぁっく にっがちゃん えいよおおおおお
Where can I find grammar lessons that make sense?
>>134202191
Learning Japanese the Manga Way
Tae Kim is mostly a troll for new people, ignore that
>25 dollars for anki on iphone, while the android version is free.
>Got an iPhone as a gift, my old fucked up android phone where I used to study anki is dying
Fuck.
>>134202203
>Tae Kim is mostly a troll for new people
>>134202221
Tae Kim is garbage, God save you if you intend to learn anything with that gook paper.
>>134202231
0/10
>>134202191
それは簡単です、もっと読んでください。
>>134202282
>>134202257
>uh oh someone said something I don't like about a thing I don't like
>better use le rating meme, that will imply the post I am replying to is a bad troll
go back to /r/learnjapanese
