Agrias >Erza> Saber
>>134078995
nothing to discuss here tbfh famfam
>>134078995
What about Claire?
>>134078995
Ravness >>> Agrias >Erza> Saber
>>134079050
If going by her final form, she stomps every earth-bound character within the Nasu-verse.
>>134079220
damn, i gotta finish that game it's one of the best i ever played
Who is anime Meliadoul?
>>134078995
We need a FFT anime someday.
>>134079220
That pic sums up why I did the Law route the first time through. I'm a horrible person.
>>134080563
>not equipping Maintenance on everyone prior to that battle, thus making Meliadoul useless
>>134080784
Never forget that one chart that a WOTL anime was on.
It wasn't even a troll chart.
I believed dammit.
>>134080932
I understand that feeling, FFT is probably the best FF that you could use to make an anime about, and it really would be amazing if Square just tried to make one.
>>134080872
i don't have a strategy.
just brute force everything.
>>134079220
Raveness was added to Tactics Ogre because of Agrias popularity.
>>134080985
>just brute force everything
To brute force everything you have to grind like a mother fucker.
That is literally the dumbest way to play FFT.
>>134080985
You can brute force FFT, is it possible to brute force Stella Glow?
>>134081132
You can really only brute force things in FFT during endgame.
>>134080563
By the time that fight happened, I already had math-based magic available. It was just a matter of disabling the enemy and then stealing their shit.
>>134080784
Seven Deadly Sins is probably closest we'll get to a FFT anime
Delita literally did nothing wrong
>>134081318
Or if you spend like 100 hours grinding in Chapter 1.
>>134081193
Yeah, but you might not get all the objectives and grinding is really pointless.
>>134081456
Yes he did, he betrayed so much people he lost sight of himself and became everything he hated and killed the only woman he loved and lost his best friend.
>>134080563
I wasted so many hours to get the full genji gear baka
>>134080563
>Making poor Agrias pay rent
Meliadoul is a bastard!
>>134079553
>Implying she can touch ARC
Arienai. Not that ARC is Earthbound mind you, but you secondary likely don't know that.
>>134081614
Except Delita's rule was apparently long and peaceful. He just dicked over scheming nobles and churchmen using the same methods they used. Ramza taking his own path isn't really anyone's fault, since Ramza is Ramza.
Who knows with Ovelia though. He didn't expect her to go batshit.
>>134080563
Meliadoul is so fucking cool except Square thought it was smart to have her join your party AFTER YOU GET CID WHO IS LITERALLY BETTER THAN EVERYONE IN EVERY SINGLE WAY
>>134082098
The idea was that Delita was successful, but he wasn't happy since he betrayed himself to become the Hero King, the thing with Ovelia is the result of all his manipulations making her not trust him.
>>134082194
Well, you do need more party members beside Cid and Ramza.
>>134082194
>>134082244
>Well, you do need more party members beside Cid and Ramza.
But Cid leaves her with no role to fill, so there's no point in having her.
>>134082262
Still hurts. I wish they hacked the game like FFVII so you could have her back as a generic character with custom look.
>>134082269
Well, then the only option is to have her fill the same role Agrias does post-Cid, she is there to be a waifu.
>>134078995
Ramza>*
>>134082333
Agrias post recruitment is a mute doll with no story role or personality it makes me sad.
She's a beast in combat though.
>Ramza in act 3
>Dat shit tier armor
>Can't wear the superb Act 2 armor
Fuck everything.
>>134082368
She does get some events, but they're fairly obscurely hidden.
>>134082194
The one thing she has over him is that she can equip women's only equipment like the Chantage.
>>134082368
>trained her max in every combat role
>use as a dancer with thief secondary because mathmagic is so overpowered who gives a fuck
>>134082368
That always made me mad, since the game gives her a big arc to recruit her, and then just does nothing with her, even though she should be the second main character right after Ramza in this.
>>134082398
Act 2 amor is the black one? That one is just so great, it makes me mad that in Dissidia they made his Act 1 costume his default mode.
>>134078995
Melodiana > *
>>134078995
Argas >Nuwangi> Shinji
>>134082244
Yeah, Delita didn't get the happiest end. And to be fair, I don't remember Goltana being an asshole like Larg or Dycedarg or the Church.
>tfw I lost my favorite screenshot of the time I wanted to slaughter pigs for items so I went into battle and found myself surrounded by something like forty monks
Fucking PETA.
>>134082834
Goltana was a decent guy, but sadly he was involved with not so good guys and he was pat of the politics of Ivalice.
Also the best part of WotL is the fact that you can kill Argas again, that is always so good.
PSX or PSP version?
>>134078995
I want all three of them licking my dick spotlessly clean while wearing their armor and serious expressions.
>>134082269
you can smash equipment twice as quickly with 2 people!
>>134082580
well, it's more brown than black in the art work, and sort of purple in the game.
I agree about Dissidia though, I think Ramza's chapter 2/3 gear is his definitive look.
>>134083150
I think it's because it resonates more with Ramza's character, his Act 1 look is him before he lost his innocence/naivety and his Act 2 fits more Ramza who know understands how the world really works but even so tries to do the right thing.
>>134082913
I almost wish Argas stayed in the party longer. Then he could take the blame for Miluda's death too.
His Dissidia look is disappointing but at least it's not his Act 3 gear which looks like shit. Nice color, but looks like shit.
>>134083329
Nah, Ramza screwing up like that is a good thing for the game, if Ramza is too clean then his fall in Chap 1 won't work properly.
>>134082834
That Monk girl doesn't really look into it.
Goltana wasn't a schemer like the others, but he did wage a war that brought a lot of suffering to a lot of people for little better reason than his desire to be king.
He also was a bit too quick to distrust Orlandu, who was genuinely loyal to him.
>>134083456
I don't get it.
>>134083477
Ramza is breaking the game by shooting while jumping which means people can't attack him.
>>134083329
is that left Priest trying to breast-feed from her?
I suppose commoners weren't well-educated in those days.
>>134083338
I actually quite like Ramza's chapter 4 gear, though I preferred his chapter 2+3 gear
>>134083553
Jumping as in a Dragoon's jump? You can shoot while jumping? I haven't played in a LONG time but how the hell does that work?
>>134083625
>I actually quite like Ramza's chapter 4 gear, though I preferred his chapter 2+3 gear
It doesn't look bad in the artwork, I hate how it looks ingame though.
>>134083633
Yeah, if I remember right if you Jump with a gun you bug the game and you get stuck in the sky, so you end up just staying there shooting at people.
>>134083456
>Dat female knight punching the shit out of that chocobo
Females have such cool looks in the game. Is there even any reason to recruit any males that aren't named characters?
>>134083338
Is Agrias checking out Ramza's ass? What's she saying?
>>134083477
It's a reference to a Glitch. You equip a character with a Gun then make them use Jump on a character with Blade Grasp, your character's sprite ends up stuck in the air.
They can still move around and attack though.
>>134083723
No. Not really.
Every single tactics game, my entire army has been mostly females. In the GBA games you can hardly tell the difference anyway.
>>134083625
Having your ass cheeks spread constantly looks uncomfortable.
>>134082932
I only played the psp version. What's different on the psx?
>>134084132
PSP has some additions and a better translation, but it makes some of the game's most iconic and memorable lines way shittier.
>>134084220
Is there a list of the differences in dialog?
>>134083723
>Is there even any reason to recruit any males that aren't named characters?
Male thieves get cool hats, but the girls don't!
>>134083723
FFT has my favourite H-art ever.
Based Branch.
>>134084508
The girls get headbands with status debuff immunities instead.
>>134082194
Meh, I benched the thunder god after I got him because holy shit, I don't need to make a easy game even easier. So I wasted hours making Ramza/Agrias/Meliadoul tier 8 Onion Knights on the PSP version.
>>134084353
it's like a totally different script, not just a few different lines.
I mean, the story's the same, and what they say usually has the same meaning, but it's all been retranslated, and whatnot.
The original Playstation version didn't have that dodgy shakespeare stuff.
The PSP version also added a bunch of bonus fights and scenes, like the one where Meliadoul's a guest after she joined you, and helps you fight Kletian, some fight where Agrias is a guest again, that scene where Agrias meets Ovelia again, etc.
I heard the PSP has some dodgy loading times too, and that there's something off with the sound.
>>134082269
Loading your party down with as many swordskillers as you can is a valid tactic. And then you give everyone dual wield and go play catch with ninjas in the Deep dungeon for a couple of hours so everyone has haste and shell/protect/regen on.
>>134084220
I can never forgive the PSP version for losing lines like "blame yourself or god".
>>134084714
they don't look cool, though
>>134082368
Fucking hated what happens to people once you recruit them.
>>134084913
Girls have boobs, they don't need to look cool.
>>134084881
Loading times were nonissue for me since I played it from the memory stick. If I used the UMD version, I can see there being annoying load times.
>>134083338
Ramza does have one fine ass.
>>134084887
Personally, I'll never forgive them for changing Rad's name to Ladd.
Philistines!
>>134084913
Following on from this, while I like the male Thieves' sprites, I think they look like fannies in their official art.
>>134084887
And I can't forgive them for that completely out of place confession scene from Mustadio. Seriously, what the hell was that scene for?
>>134084939
>boobs
those are barely visible on Tactics sprites, though.
>>134084887
They removed age old meme lines which I'm thankful for.
>>134078995
>Women
>>134078995
Various girls from Suikoden > Various girls from Dragon Quest > Various girls from Slayers > Various girls from Utawarerumono > Celes > Agrais
>Only relevant for 1 chapter then get killed off the plot
>can't even use squire skills
Why is Agrias popular again
>>134085554
But Chris was basically a brick.
>>134085350
Translate pls.
>>134085568
Because waifu that is also a top tier character.
>>134078995
Obviously, Final Fantasy > Fate shit
>>134085554
Christ entire fucking chapter was being shown around various places until she stumbled back into the plot and became a tertiary character, unless you murdered the very concept of plausibility by making her the Fire Champion. I especially liked how they brushed the whole massacre thing under the rug. Hugo gets one scene where he decides murdering her wasn't the top priority at that moment, and the next scene they get together is at the very end and they are somehow BFFs then.
III's writing was all over the fucking place in general though, so it's not like it's only Chris. Remember that genocided clan nobody ever mentions again once they become buddies with Sasarai?
>>134085606
>a brick
Yes, she did hit like a brick. You could even say she's a brickhouse.
>>134085616
on Gelbooru, it seemed like most of the text was just the names of their abilities
>>134085554
Speaking of which, I never did finish Suikoden5 and I no longer have a PS2. Should borrow my friend's thats been rotting in the basement and finish the game.
My major gripe is that the "intro" part of the story for the game takes for fucking ever though.
>>134085842
Yeah but I didn't get the last one. Got it now, thanks.
>>134085775
Chris (like the three other main characters) had three chapters devoted to her. A lot of her development comes from interacting with other characters (the other Zexen Knights, Nash, Yun, etc). She's also one of the rare examples of a main character who questions her role in life, but still stays strong and follows through with it. Unlike Agrias and most FF characters.
I won't claim Suikoden III is the best written game ever. Mostly because it was rushed and unfinished. If the creator had been given the time and budget he asked for, it could have been one of the best games ever made. Instead, we got a game with a smaller budget than a Tales spin off.
Fun fact: It doesn't matter who you pick as the fire bringer since Thomas is still the Tenkai Star. Making him the true main character.
>>134082194
>using Cid
Why the hell do people use Orlandu? He completely breaks the game. I always tell that OP fucker to get lost.
Besides female ninja equipped with chantage is literally immortal.
Frimelda>Ravness>Agrias
>>134085806
She's weakest mc, even Thomas can become stronger.
>>134085846
The Godwins become the most harmless villains since forever the moment you get female Zhuge Liang.
>tfw you'll never get to impregnate Miakis
>>134085846
I don't think Suikoden V is as good as Suikoden I-III. Mostly because the story is self contained and has almost nothing to do with the original trilogy. Even after you get through the 10 hour prologue and get to move around freely, you are still just limited to going to set areas and triggering hours of dialogue.
Every game after Suikoden III is basically like the Star Wars prequels. Self contained stories which ultimately lead nowhere.
>>134085963
Thomas gets silly once endgame hits. Beating up people with him felt fantastic.
Felt like I was using Frodo to kill people.
>>134085963
Not when you exploit the bug to make her level 99 in the first hour of the game.
>>134085846
It kinda has to, since this is the one game where they make sure you properly give a shit about the whole country you're ostensibly saving. Every other game is "Welp, your countrymen are cunts. Go get a strategist and fuck them all up for the sake of these other foreigners/rebels you just met."
As a bonus it does wonders to flesh out a hell of a lot of characters before you meet them. There's no Pallet-Swap Kage in that game.
>>134082194
>Not exclusively using generics
It's like you don't want to focus spam.
>>134082772
de masu
>>134086023
Suikoden 3 had me in tears at the end.
In Suikoden 1 and 2 I always used Luc cause he was best mage and then in 3he's the final boss and he dies ;_;
>>134085973
Lucretia was so damn awful.
Tactician with the answer to anything that know everything.
>>134086046
I genuinely enjoyed the Thomas chapters. I love the idea of having a no name guy become head of a castle and then take his own initiative to go find people to defend it. From his own idiot dad no less. Plus his assistant was so cute.
God Suikoden III needs a remake so badly.
>>134080784
That'd never happen unless it's something like an OVA, it's not moe enough and the story is way too complex and interesting. We can barely get video games with stories and characters like that one anymore let alone games.
>>134082772
Elizasleyn > Melouseless
>>134086193
Suikoden 3 doesn't need a remake. It still holds up fine.
Tbh I'd like a Suikoden game that centers around the bullshit happening in Harmonia with Hikkusaak missing and all the political weight being thrown around.
>>134085846
If you're playing Suikoden V for the story or characters, its pretty much a let down. You just always follow what the story says, or you are punished for it.
The gameplay is really the best part of the game. Which isn't saying much since its still just a slower, weaker version of Suikoden II.
Lyon is also one of the most annoying characters in the series. She is literally a clone of Eruuruu from Utawarerumono. Gets mad anytime someone gets close to the prince, but then never acts herself.
>>134086193
Cecile becoming unkillable by endgame was fun.
>>134085947
to be fair, by the time Orlandu turns up, the game's already a cakewalk.
Even if you're playing for the first time, or aren't going out of your way to make your characters broken, very little in Chapter 4 can stand up to your squad.
>>134086287
I killed the Sun rune with two elves, a random fisherwoman and a insane girl with a 9-shooter crossbow, Suiko V was fine.
>>134078995
Agrias thread? Holy shit!
>>134085935
>Chris (like the three other main characters) had three chapters devoted to her.
Yes, I played the game. The only one of the three that gets something of a developing story is Geddoe, and even that one ends farting out once he gets to the Fire Rune. Everything involving Hugo and Chris is vague meandering about the countryside, until Harmonia invades and they also get to the rune. The bulk of Suikoden III is spent wandering about, building up to a war that never fucking happens because the whole thing gets sidetracked by an evil wizard about to blow up the continent and all personal and political plotlines grind to a halt and get forgotten. It's all slow buildup to fuck-all.
>It doesn't matter who you pick as the fire bringer since Thomas is still the Tenkai Star. Making him the true main character.
This sounds like an attempt to salvage how bad the game is about getting any of the character plotlines to conclusion. Thomas has a side-plot that gets resolved by a Home Alone-tier "battle" and then he even gets booted off his room by whoever gets the rune. That's it. He's another character who vanishes from relevance once the Flame Champion is found. Which is not to say that whoever gets the rune actually does much better.
>>134086310
Well that's just because FFT isn't a hard game as it is unless you restrict yourself in some way. Like a Solo Character Class Challenge.
>>134086263
>Suikoden 3 doesn't need a remake. It still holds up fine.
Not at all. It was slow and clunky even when it came out. I actually like the combat in Suikoden III (because of the skill point system). But even I have to admit that pairing characters while having almost zero combo attacks was a bad design choice. A remake could fix that by either not forcing characters to be paired up or having tons more combos tied to runes.
The story is also very unfinished. Chris and Geddoe's stories end in a weak way. Hugo's story is weak overall. And Luc's story was weak all around.
Suikoden III, like Chrono Cross, was an unfinished, underfunded game. Both need remakes, but will probably never get them.
>>134086431
You almost had me until you dissed Chrono Cross.
>>134086502
I didn't 'diss' Chrono Cross. I said it was rushed and unfinished. Which is so well known, even Matoko Kato said it.
>>134081132
>Grind
Isn't that part of the point with these games. Mainly to get the Ability Points necessary for certain abilities?
>>134086287
>You just always follow what the story says, or you are punished for it.
That's the most idiotic possible complaint you could have for a Suikoden game. There is exactly one goddamn time in the entire rest of the franchise when you're given a choice: flee from Tinto or stay, and picking one just leads to punishment.
>Lyon is also one of the most annoying characters in the series. She is literally a clone of Eruuruu from Utawarerumono. Gets mad anytime someone gets close to the prince, but then never acts herself.
Oh, it's YOU! The crazy fucker with the hateboner for Lyon. I remember you, you're literally the only guy I've ever heard describe Lyon like that. Really, mention one scene when that happens. Just one. Go on. I'll wait.
>>134078995
Agrias is awful though. Was really disappointed with her when I played Tactics. Her character just drops out of the story.
>>134086287>That part Lyon get stabbed and Miakis replace her
>>134086642
Everyone drops out of the story the moment they join you.
>>134086642
Every character drops out of the story when they graduate from Guest to Party Member.
>>134086611
In Suikoden II, you are given choices to take Shu's advice or take someone elses. In one case, Shu's advice is not the best advice to follow, proving even the perfect strategist can mess things up.
In Suikoden V, Lucretia is never wrong. Yet the game still gives you the option to go against her advice. And if you do, you are punished for it by not recruiting a character or losing a battle. So its pointless to even give the player an option.
So no, there are other times when choices matter besides the one you're remembering selectively.
>Really, mention one scene when that happens. Just one. Go on. I'll wait.
Go reply the game. She interrupts people all the time. Which is necessary since the prince is a silent MC. But her being such a Tsundere prick is not necessary. Nanami fulfilled the same role without being so flustered and bitchy about it.
I'm not going to go watch hours of lets plays just to provide an example to you.
Are y'all even trying? Best girl right here.
>>134086611
>Oh, it's YOU! The crazy fucker with the hateboner for Lyon.
Oh look, its you. The guy who blindly defends Suikoden V to the death. And last time went as far to claim he hated Suikoden II just to make Suikoden V that much better.
>>134078995
>Final Fantasy Tactics Thread
>Agrias and miscellaneous Thread
Well, isn't this interesting.
>>134087100
You can't hate Suikoden 2.
Like I don't think its physically possible to hate Suikoden 2.
>>134086769
Which is why I've never understood why people think FF Tactics is the best story ever written. Not just in gaming, but people claim its the best story EVER written in any medium.
When in reality, its like every FF cliche crammed into one sloppy story. The church is evil, nobility is bad, everyone hates you because you're special but nobility hates you for not being special enough, your best friend betrays you but not really...my god. The only story more poorly written is FFIV and X.
>>134087013
>In Suikoden II, you are given choices to take Shu's advice or take someone elses. In one case, Shu's advice is not the best advice to follow, proving even the perfect strategist can mess things up.
This is a lie. A flat-out fucking lie. There are no branching sections in II other than Tinto. There are no branching sections in THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE. You ALWAYS follow Shu's advice, because the game never gives any choice in the matter, ever.
>So no, there are other times when choices matter besides the one you're remembering selectively.
Then mention ONE.
>Go reply the game.
I finished a replay the other week actually.
I told YOU to mention one scene. No, I don't care about your claims. You just claimed there are branching sections in fucking Suikoden II of all things, it's clear your memory isn't worth shit.
I want an actual example of
>Gets mad anytime someone gets close to the prince
WHEN does that happen? because all you do is claim it totally does, but can never recall a single instance of it.
>>134087313
I dropped Suiko II because I was bored by the half point.
>>134087364
>look at me, mom, I'm being cotrarian on the internet
>>134087390
>>134087100
No, you insane motherfucker, you're just crazy. I made the point that the weakest section of all Suikoden II is the weakest section if Suikoden II, and you went berserk because you can't take any fucking criticism. Now answer the actual questions instead of constructing idiotic strawmans of things nobody said.
You made claims: provide examples.
>>134087313
That guy has said he didn't like Suikoden II in past threads because people pointed out how Suikoden V was trying to imitate Suikoden II. He basically fell into the most basic argument trap. People pointed out that the combat for Suikoden V was like Suikoden II with less features and slower animations. So he lashed out against Suikoden II.
His biggest defense for Suikoden V is also how 'every other Suikoden game does the same shit'. As you can see in his post up at >>134086611 where he tries to lessen the faults of Suikoden V by saying there are no other impacting choices in previous Suikoden games. Which is just wrong.
>>134087313
>Not always dropping after Luca dies.
>>134086385
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/1096571
She already did. Way back when the game was released.
>>134087499
>That guy has said he didn't like Suikoden II in past threads
See >>134087499
Everything you said is a lie. Now back up your claims already.
>People pointed out that the combat for Suikoden V was like Suikoden II with less features
You just made that up too. But yeah, that's wrong. How the hell does it have less features? It's literally the Suikoden II combat but the the addition of skills, Parry, Counter, SPD-based multiple strikes and support characters from Suikoden III, and V's original formation changes and formation skills.
So it's like Suikoden II's but with MORE features.
Like, this is what I mean. You either lie, or just say shit that is instantly and obviously proven wrong. Are you sure you're not just legit crazy?
>>134080563
Got that in gif format? Or is there a video you could link?
>>134081836
>Earthbound
I liked it better when it was called MOTHER 2.
>>134087499
>there are no other impacting choices in previous Suikoden games
I'm sure you'll be mentioning some any day now.
>>134087740
>>134087382
>back up your claims!
Months ago when we had one of these stuoid debates on /v/, I provided a like to a let's play. You ignored it and just went right on demanding I provide a better source.
In other words, its pointless arguing with someone who demands evidence, then ignores it. So now for the good of this thread, I'm going to ignore you. Have fun getting mad and I know I'll see you again in the future.
>>134087546
If they were going to make prequel/spin off Suikoden games, why didn't they just make one about Sierra and Neclord and the origin of the Blue Moon Rune? Or the origin of Viki and her adventures in time travel. Or the origin of Luc, Sasarai and the Harmonian Empire. Or about a dozen other prequels that actually had ties to the original games.
>>134086310
FFT has this weird inverse difficulty curve to it. By the end of the game that hardest fights were Wiegraf and that Balk one with the top level enemies that hit 3 times and can even kill Orlandu.
>>134087971
>I provided a like to a let's play
This may amaze you, you insane crazy fucker, but there's more than one person who thinks you're insane. People just recognize you because you have this avartfaggy obsession with posting images with every reply. I haven't spoken to anybody about Suikoden in 4chan for like a year and a half if not more and you have never provided any Let's Play.
But yeah, that let's play would be a good start. What are the odds you'll now find yourself completely incapable of finding it?
Also, again, what features are in Suikoden II's combat that are lacking in V's? Don't think I'm gonna let you skip that shit, that was real dumb.
Also, where are those branching paths you said
>>134087971
Because the creator fucked off and didn't leave notes about any of that.
>>134081132
>>134081318
I like to grind Ramza up to Lv.99 in the first chapter and have him learn other job skills through the inherent shared JP mechanic. What's more, I like to steal ALL unmaintained equipment in non-random battles and finish all encounters WITHOUT letting defeated enemies chest or crystalize.
>>134087364
It's actually a lot more complicated and involved than that but the internet loves it's reduction thing where it pars entire concepts down to something that sounds really stupid and simplistic.
>>134084132
Don't forget that slowdown during every special attack/magic animation. Ruined the game for me.
>>134082932
Neither; PSX got a half-assed translation and the PSP played too fast and loose with the localization.
>>134088286
I honestly never noticed it.
The fact that one of the most active threads on one of the busiest days for anime in what's usually it's busiest season is a thread about an almost 20 year old video game is pretty hilarious. It's also one of the better threads /a/s had in a while since it's not all just idiots shitposting/fakeposting and trolling about some shitty waifu series.
Anyway this really is it, the worst year for TV anime ever. 2016 will really have to pull out all the stops to go lower
>>134087971
I suppose you mean this:
https://desustorage.org/a/thread/131554142/#131559054
Yeah, that wasn't me. But you really need to learn what the fuck Tsundere means.
Also, where's that let's play?
>>134088286
I think you can find a patch for it now.
>>134087364
As far as JRPG's go it's pretty good and the War of the Lions script is fantastic.
>>134088369
Have you played the psx version?
>>134088177
The creator left a ton of material. He even said the story was leading up to a big war with Harmonia vs all the surrounding nations. So the next two games we get are...halfway around the world and nothing to do with Harmonia?
The teams that took over after the creator left just tried to change the series into something new. And it was a bad decision.
>>134088286
Everything in FFTactics is slow. I mean, the camera has so slowly pan and center on a character every time they talk. This takes a dialogue segment that should be 2 minutes long and makes to 15 minutes long. Especially that horrible fight at the guillotine.
And don't forget. If you die, the game resets back your previous save. So you are forced to watch that 15 minute dialogue sequence again. With no option to skip it.
>>134088604
Yes.
>>134088634
The teams didn't know what the fuck to do once the fucker left but were still told to milk the franchise.
>>134085069
>they look like fannies in their official art
I don't know what the sod that means.
>>134088486
Yeah there is. If you have a custom firmware psp you can just run the patch alongside the UMD.
>>134088478
Wish I knew who that artist was/where to find his artwork.
>>134088729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RQrgo1ytfA
psx emulated on the left. psp versions in the middle and right.
fucking stasis sword takes twice as long to land on psp version. This make calculator class a nightmare for me.
>>134088880
Is it really so fucking hard to use iqdb ot just googling the image?
>>134089112
it is
>>134088880
I wish I could find ALL of Akihiko Yoshida's artwork for FFT.
>>134089186
Same.
>>134084884
While we're on the topic, I'm rather irked that they didn't make the Two-Hands support skill inherent to the Soldier job class.
Best Generic. Best Girl.
>>134087364
More like it's the story of Europe around 600 years ago. Power games everywhere, Church included. Minus the Lucavi plot.
>>134087971
>If they were going to make prequel/spin off Suikoden games, why didn't they just make one about Sierra and Neclord and the origin of the Blue Moon Rune?
Because Sierra's story was finished in Suikogaiden, Neclord had already worn himself really thin as a character, downgraded from serious threat to recurring annoyance (seriously, the plot isn't even "How do we kill him?" but rather "How do we scrub him off our boots for good?" by the end), and the entire deal with Georg supposedly having killed the Queen of Falena was kins of a massive deal that was established as far back as II, and his character already existed in I. Zweig and Lorelai's incursion into the Twilight Ruins were even in Suikogaiden as well.
>>134089654
>just by talking turns you into a chicken
>>134090181
>Killey. Killey and Lorelai. My bag.
>>134088896
You can download a plugin to fix PSP lag.
>>134090721
I would've have cared closer to when the game came out years ago.
>>134090815
The plugins were released years ago.
>>134090181
But Georg Prime's backstory still didn't get much attention in Suikoden I-II. Then when it happened in Suikoden V, it still was overshadowed by all the events before and after it. It just feels like Georg Prime was never handled well. He was an afterthought, even in a game made specifically to connect his story to Suikoden II. It would be like if they made a game entirely around Futch's backstory in the Dragon Knights. But then the only part that focuses on him is getting his dragon and the rest of the game he's just a tag along character.
>>134090933
vs. when the game came out? I'm sure it was at least 2 years later when I stopped caring
>>134090933
>>134091148
game came out in 2007. patch dates back around the 2012 with quick googling. Yep, certainly lost interest entirely by then.
>>134088717
If you're clicking through the speech as quickly as you can, none of the in-battle dialogue lasts 5 minutes, much less 15.
Did you choose the faster message display speed in the options?
I don't think I've ever found the camera all that slow either. Are you talking about the PSP version or something?
>>134091413
Yes he is. He replied to my post about the psp slowdown.
>critical: quick
>mathmagic with every magic unlocked
>rest of the team just hits the mathmage and heals
>>134091503
Just stick Excalibur on the Math guy and spam Holy.
>>134088739
I guess I'm just trying to say they look like twats
>>134091556
Remind me, when do you get excalibur again?
>>134091826
When you get orlandu.
>>134091503
>"It calculates faster or it gets the stick!"
>>134090937
>He was an afterthought
So? The other guy suggested making a game about fucking Sierra, as if she were any different.
None of the Suikoden main plots have much to do with one another. The wars in Toran, Dunan and the Grasslands weren't cause and effect, they just happened on their own for different reasons. The games are only connected by the recurring characters and underlying plot threads running in parallel. You're never going to get "A Suikoden Game About character X", at best you get a Suikoden game where Character X's plot gets developed in the midst of all the others.
If III's attempt at recurring-character-driven plot is what a character-centric Suikoden looks like, I'd much rather they stick to the unconnected wars, thank you. Luc went from slightly-cunty taciturn brat to I MUST BLOW UP A QUARTER OF THE PLANET TO FREE IT FROM THE COSMIC FORCES TRENDING TOWARDS OPPRESSIVE ORDER MAYBE SORTA WE KINDA JUST PULLED THIS ONE OUTTA NOWHERE evil wizard in between fifteen years you never get to see, and all the game did was leave me wishing they stuck to the small-scale regional conflicts from there on out. Part of these games' appeal was how they DIDN'T try to escalate everything to a world-leveling event.
"Magical Nuke" mcguffin threats like the Souleater or the Sun Rune are okay, but the Luc plot just went way too far with a character that never gave any hint of heading in that direction.
>>134091826
Or a Chameleon robe, which you can get way before the Wiegraf fight.
>>134091956
>>134091556
Oh, you mean heal the guy with holys. The point is to stay at the edge of critical hp, dip below it with some light punches and other small damage hits, trip the critical:quick, cast mathmagic, heal up above crit hp, rinse and repeat.
>>134092089
Here's the kicker, though:
My mathmage guy was Ramza. I had a generic girl, Agrias and another girl or two just dedicated on punching Ramzas dick to trigger the crit:quick.
Ramza should've gotten his own unique class just like his spiritual predecessor Denim did instead of just having squire with a few extra support abilities
>>134092434
It wouldn't make sense in-story. He was a Squire which would have probably lead to becoming Arc Knight et al.
Since he sorta jumped ship pretty early on. He would have only stayed a Squire.He still should have had a unique class.
>>134088138
Not him, but in 2 there's a slightly branching path where you can get Ridley killed and his son takes over. You can run when Nanami suggests it during your story arc with neclord's zombie's. You get surrounded and Ridley comes to save your shit and dies in the process and Shu tells you never to be a bitch nigger ever again.
Don't mind me, just upgraded your Agrias.
>>134092982
Why does this guy never get translations for his stuff. For fuck's sake.
>>134092924
See the original >>134086287 and my reply >>134086611.
That's what this was about. Complaining about V being linear and having some choices that lead to bad results is spectacularly nonsensical, when the only other similar branching choice in the entire franchise is the one in Tinto, which similarly leads to a bad result.
Who quotes linearity as a negative for only one game when every single other one the franchise is just if not more linear? He also said the game allows you to reject Shu's advice and it leading to it being the good choice, when no such thing ever happens.
>>134091503
>>134091871
Maybe it's for the best that Ramza was forgotten by history.
>>134092982
More like a downgrade.
Furry shit please go.
>>134092691
The special skills he learns should have turned his class into Heretic or something. Maybe they couldn't think of a class name good enough. In story terms, he wins a ludicrous number of death matches.
>White Mage with Punch Art equipped
>>134085300
To remove the Agrias shippers.
>>134086232
I only liked her because raping her into joining you was wonderful.
>>134085300
To get your dick hard when Ramza steals her away in front of his eyes
>>134093892
Is that good?
>>134093980
Can be, since if I remember right Punch Art uses both physical and magic stats. And with Chakra you can heal your own MP.
>>134087364
It's more praised for the general plot rather than the chracters, people just loved how good the politics/backstabbing was in this game.
>>134084220
The translator seemed to be allergic to the letter "s" in names.
>>134084881
There's slowdown during graphically intense attacks like Agris and Gafgarion's, so the sound finishes out of sync with the attack. Apparently it's programmed this way.
>>134092924
Don't bother responding to him. He just keeps repeating the same garbage with no source, then demands other people provide a source to back their claims up.
Notice how he even ignored the examples you provided and just returned back to his 'no, there's only one example in the whole series!' argument.
>>134092205
Yes that's the spirit, Agrias carring her Ramza around and protecting her pure boy.
>>134094101
I've seen plenty of things with much better politics. From Suikoden to Utawarerumono.
I really think the majority of people obsess over FFTactics because it was one of the earliest games they played with a heavy political plot. or just a focus on plot at all.
>>134094308
Remember that FFT is more mainstream, so that's why it would be remembered more, and even so you have to admit that it feels unique compared to how most mainline FF games would handle these things.
>>134092205
>Implying Ramza 'I power up like a shounen hero by yelling a lot before punching several gods to death with my fists' Beoulve needs to be princess carried to safety.
>>134094389
Anon if your waifu wanted to protect you, wouldn't you let her?
>>134094499
Anon, when you can punch gods to death, your waifu wouldn't even be able to stand from her constant orgasms from just being next to you, much less princess carry you.
>>134094308
It is not that common to actually have a heavy political plot in a game without it being ruined by some cute shit inserted for god knows what reason.
>>134078995
Hi, can I join your club?
Where do you suppose Ramza, Alma and company went after the credits rolled?
>>134094255
Nigger, I pointed that one instance right there in my very first reply, because it was exactly the same thing you were complaining about when it happened in V. I said it was stupid to complain about in in regards to II when the only time anything like that ever happens, it's the exact same "Disobey and get a bad result" in II.
Just to tally it up, here's the list of things you've claimed are true but have yet to source in any way:
-Suikoden's II combat has features V's doesn't.
-There are instances in II where the game allows you to disobey Shu, and it ends up being the proper choice.
-Lyon acts tsundere and gets angry at anyone who gets close to Frey.
Do you actually have some kind of mental issue that makes it impossible for you to admit you're wrong?
I love II, but I can still point out it has issues in parts. Namely the Tinto subplot being kind of a bundle of convenient coincidences, the absolute batshit retiredness of the entire "You know what'll get you properly focused for the final battle? CRIPPLING EMOTIONAL TRAUMA" shitshow with Nanami and a war system that could have been pretty good but gets ruined by the idiotic chance-to-clash-two-armies-and-not-cause-any-damage dice rolling system.
I love V as well, and can also accept it has issues such as villains that never quite rise up to be the threat they pose right at the start and the whole matter with Sialeeds being presented somewhat unconvincingly. Plus the whole thing with having the final war battle so far apart from the proper finale kinda robbed the climax out of its punch. It felt like the Ashtwal Mountains was more of a cleanup than the real end up of the game.
The difference is that I can actually acknowledged these things. You're a deranged fanboy who reacts like threatened mama bear any time anybody suggests anything negative about the thing you're fanboying over, and your arguments are based around provable nonsense and claims concocted out of thin air.
I wish this game were more consistently challenging. The first few battles are a pain, but soon they just become a waste of a few minutes.
Then there are a few annoying bosses and challenges.
I want to lose frequently, and have to find the perfect strategy for each battle. By the end I had to restrain myself in order to steal what I wanted.
I remember buying all these when I didn't even need them. It felt comfortable just reading them.
Fuck the Final Fantasy 9 one though with its PlayOnline.
>>134094633
Incest. Lots and lots of forbidden and kinky incestual sex. Oh, and Agrias and the other females comes by and joins them in it once in a while. The others died while travelling back to their planet or something.
>>134094308
>Suikoden
I've always heard good thing about that game, but never played it.
Should I play them all in a sequence or go right to 2?
>>134094705
>Just to tally it up, here's the list of things you've claimed are true but have yet to source in any way:
So every person who points out your broken argument is the same person?
I'm not the one who was saying the things you claim I was saying. At least three people have contradicted you. But if you think we're all the same person, then no wonder people stop replying to you. Ironic given your statements above.
>>134094718
Roof of Riovanes Castle was the only really challenging battle because you could accidentally lock yourself into it and Rafa is suicidally stupid.
>>134094633
They went to the other countries and had new adventures with Ramza being a hero.
>those Agrias doujins done in the same artstyle as the game
>>134094780
Suikoden I-III are an ongoing trilogy and should be played in order. The rest are prequels or spin offs and can be played whenever. I would even say they're not necessarily worth playing, but of course that one Suikoden V fag is gonna jump on me for making an opinion.
>>134094780
Play them all, in sequence, the first three at least.
>>134094847
Well, Rafa was trying to kill herself after her brother was killed. Was probably trying to go for a suicide attack.
>>134094308
If by better politics you mean less treachery and backstabbing, sure.
>>134085541
hoy shit did the jojo anime always look this bad?
>>134094751
That guide was actually pretty useful just for the lists of commands.
>>134094874
Meh, it's likely that one who likes suikoden enough to be playing the first three will even play suikoden tactics.
>>134094931
By better politics I mean the politics are more of a factor to the overall story and better written. For example, the events in Highland causing Jowy to want to rebel against his homeland is already a better political motivation than in FFTactics. Where everyone hates you simply for being a nobleman. Then you add Jowy infiltrating the Highland army, marrying into power and taking over the army from within...that's really well written politics with multiple layers.
And I'd say Suikoden as a series has even more backstabbing actually.
>>134094810
>So every person who points out your broken argument is the same person?
Yes.
Dude, this is pathetic. I can tell it's you. It's your same singularly strawman-attacking nonsense every time. I know >>134092924 is not you, but I'm not replying to him here. He simply didn't read the original post where I had already mentioned Tinto. Considering the first person who brought up the Tinto example was me, I'm not sure why you believe I'm ignoring it.
Here's a simple one: can you actually bring up one of these "broken arguments" you say I'm making and refute it with an actual example from the game? Not a vague allusion to someone doing some manner of action. I mean an actual mention of an actual scene in the actual game.
Just one. Go on, prove me wrong. If you think I'll just ignore it, then at least you'll make me look like a moron before others. Just one. One real example.
Also, what do you want me to source that I haven't already? I'm perfectly willing to do it. Just ask.
>>134094308
FFT wasn't exactly unique on release, Squaresoft basically acquired Quest and told the team to remake Tactics Ogre with FF mythos slapped on it. Even back then people argued that TO had a better plot considering it had 3 routes that drastically changed a lot of outcomes and still managed to make a coherent story
That said, FFT has the nostalgia goggles, gameplay that hasn't stagnated, and a fanbase that felt it to be the underdog compared to FF7
>>134094847
True, but even then brute force, good mobility, and someone who can heal/raise is enough.
I OHKO'd Belias with this ethos. 2H Ultima.
>>134094870
>>those Agrias doujins done in the same artstyle as the game
You have good taste man, good taste.
>>134095145
>So every person who points out your broken argument is the same person?
>Dude, this is pathetic. I can tell it's you.
Add a tripcode so I can ignore you please.
>>134095031
>For example, the events in Highland causing Jowy to want to rebel against his homeland is already a better political motivation than in FFTactics
Jowy and Riou jump ship because Luca slaughtered their junior brigade to have an excuse to go to war with the City States. That was pretty much it. It's hardly different from the stuff you see in FFT like Vormav playing both Lars and Goltana against each other, Dycedarg playing Lars to take his place or Delita playing just about everyone.
I think you're suffering from sever tunnel vision if you think that one sequence was that special.
Daily reminder that Delita did nothing wrong.
>>134094718
Just play the hard mode patch, it'll make you its bitch no problem.
>>134095285
I'm not hearing those arguments being refuted, OR any of the things you're saying I didn't source.
