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>>133647683
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
There is no winning without hard work.
>>133677558
Yes, just use Anki's save feature to do it.
Reminder not to fall for the debian forum trick where someone intentionally incites a flame war in order to drag people with real answers out of the woodwork. If someone is flaming, don't tell them what's right.
So jap penpal had this at the end of their message:
>また連絡して遅れ
The fuck is that 遅れ meant to mean there?
>>133678044
late
or
something like that
>tfw finally time to start reading today
I want Anki to hold my hand forever...
>>133678028
What's the point of these threads if people aren't supposed to share their knowledge?
>>133678092
Start mining and Anki will keep its finger in your arse a bit longer.
>>133678099
There's a difference between asking for help and ruining the thread for hours in order to get help.
>>133678028
Were you the guy yesterday arguing about some other guys' sentence not being complete? Because I wouldn't count that as what you said, since in that case, you'd actually be the instigator because the other guy was right.
Some background, for the past nine years I've studied Chinese nearly daily. I live in Taiwan and have learned the language successfully -- passed all the tests, read books, use it more than English. I am very happy with this.
For years, I have been wanting to learn Japanese for my next language. I'm having a hard time getting into it without the "immersion factor." With Chinese, I have always had either a teacher/ChinesePod or Taiwan. For Japanese, I have the Genki textbook (got lucky finding that here) and some audio material. I really want to find a good learning podcast, like ChinesePod. (Japanese101, or whatever it is called, is really bad, imo.)
I am a bit desperate. I really want to learn this language, but I'm having a hard time getting started on my own. I'm seriously thinking about moving to Japan, but I'm not super excited about teaching English there. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>>133678088
Yeah I know the meaning of 遅れる just not seeing how it makes any sense at the end of a message like that in that context.
>>133678178
I know you're upset about some kind of argument that happened but I ensure you that I have had nothing to do with arguments here for months. Go away.
>>133678044
また連絡しておくれ
Please contact me again
But then there is a typing error at the end, and おくれ became 遅れ from the verb 遅れる that means 'to be late'.
Typing errors occur sometimes because of the automatic change of hiragana to kanji.
I suppose your friend didn't realize he has made a mistake.
>>133678178
And even if the guy yesterday was right, saying stuff like "too late to change your question posting, not gonna help" is just asking for a flamy response in general. People shouldn't do that I think
>>133678204
>Go away.
Why?
>>133678099
Ignore this guy, he has been stalking every person asking for help here for quite a long time now.
>>133678120
People wouldn't resort to that tactic if they were able to get help normally.
>>133678241
They would be able to get help normally if people were able to give help without getting involved in flame wars.
>>133678236
Who?
>>133678211
So it was just meant to be 送れる I guess then?
ITT: people defend intentionally giving their own questions wrong responses to incite arguments on the topic
>>133678120
They''re not ruining the thread, you are when you derail every conversation about japanese grammar/vocabulary these questions are about.
If you don't want to see people ask for help in a thread where people try to learn japanese, just don't come here.
>>133678294
No he meant to put おくれ which would mean closest to please but not really.
お・御
くれ・下さる
>>133678310
I want to see people getting help, not shitposting. There is a very, very big difference between the two. If you honestly think that starting arguments is the right way for someone go get help, you need mental help.
What's with this font rendering? I don't have this problem on my Linux laptop or phone. Anyone know the cause of this problem?
>>133678307
Isn't showing what you've done so far a good thing when asking questions? Then people can correct misconceptions.
>>133678336
That's something completely different.
>>133678335
Windows doesn't vertically anti-alias text that's not huge. It only does it horizontally.
>>133678323
But what verb is おくれ based on if not 送る? Or are you saying it's お (honorific) + rude くれ? That'd be a bit weird.
>>133678373
I don't get it. How would you fix it then?
>>133678382
Fuck it i'm not going to bother explaining if you can't even understand verb formation.
>>133678386
Install mactype, or don't.
It starts rendering properly at either 64 or 128 px large (don't remember which). If you just want things to look better, keep to the <=32px and >=128px font sizes.
>>133678307
>giving their own questions wrong responses to incite arguments on the topic
What do you mean by this exactly?
>>133678396
Ok senpai...
>>133678403
When they samefag with an incorrect response to make people want to argue to prove their samefag post wrong.
>>133678400
Thanks.
Why would you learn japanese? Japanese doesn't even have a real passive case. It's a subhuman language.
>>133678111
I'm gonna, but now my learning process is going to be much more antonymous which is kinda scary. It was nice and comfy when Anki just fed me a pre-made list of words to learn every day.
>>133678421
>>133678434
Ah, the two worst methods of making angry nerds teach you by proving you wrong.
>>133678396
It's just fucking お + くれ from くれる, they were right as that's what they seem to be saying at >>133678382 you fucking retard. It's just a polite set-phrase for a request. Don't try and teach others if you know shit all yourself.
>>133678434
>>133678294
No, it's the polite form you put at the end of a verb when you ask for a favor : ~くれ／～おくれ
There is no kanji for it, it's a coincidencde if he mistakenly chose the first kanji for the retranscription of the hiragana. I suppose he tried to do the automatic kanji re-transcription for the whole sentence after he wrote it only with hiragana, but didn't realize the end of the sentence had been partially re-transcripted too.
I often do that error too.
また来て遅れよ
And it does it for me too, by the way....
>>133678434
But then what's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_verb_conjugation#Passive
I thought Japanese was subhuman because they have a pathetic amount of sounds which means a stupid amount of homophones.
>>133678467
You people are so incredibly retarded and pretend to know what you're talking about, it would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
>>133678482
It has pitch like Finnish you subhuman retard.
I warned you guys. I warned you guys about people intentionally being wrong.
>>133678481
That's not a real passive case. Prove me wrong.
>>133678497
>dat damage control
go back to the eikaiwa.
>>133678434
Still better than shitty Mandarin. Japanese have made something decent from a big pile of chinese shit again.
>>133678536
Not him, but it is a a non-peraphrastic verb form that results in the subject being the one to receive the action and the object being the agent of the action. Seems like a real passive to me.
>>133678566
What's wrong with Mandarin?
>>133678434
Oh, the guy doesn't even know japanese's basics. That explains the insults. Always when the person feels inferior.
>>133678536
お前の馬鹿さで苦しまれる。
There, suffering passive too.
>>133678578
>What's wrong with Mandarin?
It's almost as bad as English.
SVO languages are the cancer of language.
>>133678578
It sounds stupid, has retarded grammar and just looks like a long trail of liquefied shit when written.
>>133678612
*slow clap*
where do i sign up to join the shitposting
>>133678662
I come back from my holiday during which all the threads were fun and helpful to this shit
Fuck you niggers
>>133678662
I warned you guys. I warned you guys about it.
>>133678684
You're the one who started it.
>>133678680
*samefagging intensifies*
>>133678662
>>133678680
>>133678684
>>133678705
>>133678719
Nice samefagging
Which does DJT prefer for Kanji, Hesisig or KD?
>>133678739
KD because it's obvious in its retardation
>>133678739
they're both shit
you should use my site www.learnjapaneseforfivethousanddollarrsflat.com it's WAY better
>>133678479
I have the same problem with my IME, especially when I try to write my address. I wish I could input some words.
>>133678739
KD
it is the best way I learned 7,000 kanji in 3 months using it
>>133678767
It does it for me too especially when I end with よ
また来て遅れよ
Does this means that IME doesn't recognize that form?
>>133678850
IME can be just horrible sometimes
機能も着たけど誰もいなかった
wtf.
>>133678767
http://windows.microsoft.com/ja-jp/windows-8/ime-register-tool
>>133678975
>windows 8
what a good goy
I can't stop reading the novels on Pixiv. I didn't know there were so many ways to write porn.
>>133679025
I only copy-pasted the first link on Google.
>>133679034
>I didn't know there were so many ways to write porn.
There are tens of thousands of doujin ero manga and hundreds of thousands of doujin ero novels.
There are infinite ways to write porn.
>>133679034
Any recommendations?
>mfw chatted with a jap chick
>>133679034
http://noc.syosetu.com/top/top/ has good stuff too.
>>133679120
Thanks!
It's called a carriageway
gott strafe burgerland
>>133679159
>core6k calls a fireman's truck a fire engine
>>133679084
It's not always porn, but the tag 腹筋崩壊 is my favorite. Especially when it's parodies of threads on 2chan.
>>133679063
Unlimited porn works
>>133679159
carpath m8
>>133678481
>>133678566
>>133678608
For shame.
>>133679184
>時計
>clock
>not wimbly-wombly bonger
>>133679208
>>133679225
Funny because I still have that in my favorites:
Fate/money Zero
http://www.pixiv.net/novel/show.php?id=1756766
>>133678479
そうですけどね、
”おくれ”はあまり使わないですよね
>>133679354
そうですね、たしかアニメでしか聞いたことがなかったような～
>>133678479
それでも、
”おくれ”のことはちょっと強いから、ちょっと無礼ですよね
>>133679354
おっさんっぽいだね
>>133679354
びみょうなにほんご
>チクる
Submitted this paragraph this morning in my jap101 course. I don't care what my sensei thinks, i care about what you think about my shitty handwriting and grammar /djt/
>>133679432
そうでしたか？なんか、高齢で尊敬にあたるようなキャラが使ってるとけっこう優しく聞こえるけど。。。
>>133679427
”たしかに、アニメでしょうか聞いたことない”ですね
>>133679482
hi evan
>>133679482
First, be careful with the spell of skateboard
「スケートボード」
Maybe you should avoir to repeat so many times skateboard and longboard.
I don't understand what hiragana you wrote after tokidoki.
There are little errors here and there and I think you should try to join a few of these short sentences.
>>133679482
Since when do we have an 18th month
>>133679446
何を書いたか分かりません。
>>133679475
そうの言うことではないですけど。日本で住んでますのにアメリカ人ですよ。
What the fuck does そう mean?
Jisho and my core2k deck give two different definitions and I don't understand either.
>>133679482
>といます
といいます
>ときどきあがないです
What does this even mean?
>>133679636
Is that そう
>おくれ
どんな文脈でつかわれたかで、印象はかなり変わると思うよ。
>>133679586
チクるとは密告するの口語表現だよ
>>133679482
うまいとおもうよ。がんばったね。おにいちゃん
こまかいけど、日本語では、「スケボ」を使ってね。
Are you gaijin-kun /djt/?
>>133679579
It's in DD/MM/YYYY format
>>133679482
By the way, I tried to correct a little and change the way you express a few things: (but I still don't know what you were trying to write after tokidoki)
毎日スケートボードを使います。たとえば学校や仕事にはスケートボードで行きます。とても楽しいです。
私が使ってるスケートボードは長い物で「ロングボード」といいます。私のは早いです。ときどき<？>がないけれど、私は元気で足も強いのはスケートボードのおかげです。
>>133679560
Nope
>>133679570
How can i refer to what I'm talking about with having to repeat it? そのこは？
>>133679667
this gave me cancer
>>>/tumblr/
>>133679667
I chortled
>>133679690
I just gave you a few hints here
>>133679677
With japanese you don't need to repeat the subject each time if you're speaking about the same thing.
>>133679667
>not "Guns, Burgers, USA!"
>he's not wearing a flag shirt and Make America Great Again hat
>he isn't free
not accurate at all
>>133679667
>>133679768
It's in moments like that I'm glad I'm not American.
>>133679768
But Japan is literally an American proxy state desu.
>>133679768
Hells yeah, motherfucker.
The whole world belongs to America.
>>133679642
>>133679677
looks like あぶない
>>133679636
Nobody?
Am I just too dumb to learn Japanese?
>>133679642
It's あぶな。
>>133679665
そうですか？ おもしろい！ありがとうございました。
>>133679768
it's funny because japs piss on the street more than murrikans
jap men hold their alcohol like a pregnant cambodian girl
>>133679745
ありがとう! わかりました！
>>133679845
It's such a common word that you'll pick it up from context eventually. Don't worry about it.
>>133679690
I just understood that you wanted to write ときどき「あぶない」です。Maybe you should be careful with the way you write ふ。
And in that case, you get:
ときどき危ないけど、私は元気で足も強いのはスケートボードのおかげです。
>>133679835
Yes, I just realized too:
>>133679897
>trying to study while hopped up on pain meds that don't work
Never squirt water in your ear in an attempt to remove ear wax, /djt/. I'd rather be deaf than have this fucking infection.
>>133679853
お前の顔こそが面白い
クソ野郎め
Do japanese really think that of americans? That 4-koma is kinda stupid.
>first lesson of Tae Kim
>34 fucking vocabulary words to learn
Fucking why
>>133679482
The size of your kanji is all over the place
>>133679904
I like this one
>>133679845
>>133679651 already answered you
>>133679665
「スケボ」ってスラングじゃなかったのか？先生の宿題だとちょっとまずいような気がする。。。
>>133679960
I doubt it was made by an actual jap, probably a tumblr weeaboo.
I wish core6k deck had 上手い near 上手, I never remember the reading when I see it with い.
>>133679939
I was considering doing that until you told me not to. Thanks. What's the proper way to remove earwax?
Other than visiting a doctor. That's expensive.
>>133679960
>why aren't you taking my bait, people?
>>133679998
>。。。
>>133680019
Jozui! Wait, that's stupid, it's Umai. Every single time.
>>133680030
Ask your Mom.
>>133680030
>That's expensive.
Dumb hobos like you don't deserve to be healthy,
>>133680053
ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ
>>133680019
Core has うまい in hiragana only
Where's a good place to find easy reading material?
>>133680087
that's pretty stupid considering all the weird shit it has instead
>>133679351
―――拝啓、バーサーカーが吠え、ライダーが走り回る今日この頃。第四時聖杯戦争に参加なさっておられる皆様方、如何お過ごしでしょうか？
わたくし、教会から派遣された見届け人、言峰 綺礼と申します。本日この手紙を認めさせていただいたのは、先日の倉庫街におきまして出た被害金額の請求の為であります。
つきましては、この手紙と共に同封されている請求書の金額分のお支払いをお願いします。敬具。
追伸。剣陣営、並びに槍陣営、弓陣営、そして狂陣営におきましては、被害額を折半させていただいておりますので、あしからず
My sides!
Thanks for the link.
do you write down whatever Anki you learn daily in your a notebook?
>>133680030
You go to the doctor if it gets impacted. But they'll just do the same shit you can do at home.
Honestly, I might have been alright if I stopped after getting a massive clump out. But my hearing was still lacking maybe 10%, so I used it again for another couple of days. If you only do it once every month or two when your ears get full of crap like mine, you might be safe. Just don't poke shit in your ears and get them impacted like me.
I'm super jealous of asians who have earwax that's all dry and crispy.
>>133680157
whatever vocab you learn in Anki*
>>133680120
What kind of texts would you like to read? Related to anime and manga, or japanese culture?
>>133680030
You can use hydrochloric acid or whatever
始めて
初めて
Why?
>>133680169
Caretaker working in Japan here. I wish it was 'all dry and crispy', it would be much easier to remove.
I don't see a lot of difference with ours.
>>133680254
>始めて
For starts
>初めて
First time
>>133680221
Anything interesting really. Manga if it's simple enough. Maybe simple books? Fantasy/Sifi/Magic is definitely my favorite genres.
>>133680254
>start something
>the starting of
>>133680293
I meant starters
>>133679482
学校とか楽しいが旧字だけど、ほんのちょっとでもさんこうになったらうれしいな
丸
円
Why?
>>133680221
Trying to get by with something I can preferably download for free and don't have to buy.
>>133680339
These make sense when you use a dictionary that doesn't suck.
>>133679904
Alright, this one is legitimately funny.
>>133680297
Are you interested in old japanese stories? They are short and it's a part of japanese culture, so it might be interesting.
There is a big site where you can find the audio and text files for each of them:
http://hukumusume.com/douwa/index.html
For example:
http://hukumusume.com/douwa/pc/jap/02/01.htm
>>133680030
Use Q-Tips like any normal human being?
>>133680450
>http://hukumusume.com/douwa/index.html
I'll give it a try, thank you.
>>133680554
You're welcome.
>今日の空は灰色だ。
wow so poetic
Does 別にそこまで....好きじゃないし mean that they wouldn't go as far to say they like "..."?
>>133680655
>kyo no sora wa hairo da
holy shit /djt/ I just read my first sentence, the feeling of accomplishment
>>133680764
You can't even spell it right in romaji though.
>>133680786
That's like saying an architect can't draw a building correctly with crayons.
>>133681120
Sure why not, just because you're using crayons isn't an excuse to draw a door on the roof.
>>133681120
Japanese people use romaji to type.
>tfw you are in the top 1% of this thread
>>133681302
King of swine.
着る
被る
履く
for what reason?
>>133681302
>tfw you are in the bottom 1% of this thread
Probably a dumb question -> Does the させないとな in ハッキリさせないとな mean "you haven't let know clearly" or is it more "you need to let me know clearly" Or am I off on both?
助けてください :( >>133680747
>>652562273
Are there any computers on which it is impossible to type kanji?
>>133681716
>>/b/652562273
>>133681454
clothes, hats, footwear. What do you not understand?
>>133681786
Having different words for wearing clothing is dumb
I bet there's another one for jewelry
>>133681811
Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
>>133681780
I don't understand what I do with that.
>>133681811
>I bet there's another one for jewelry
There is, actually. Also a separate one for belts and gloves.
>>133681959
I though the saying was don't throw semen when you live in a vagina.
>先日、私は友達に迎えました。
How do you know if the person saying this means "I went out to meet a friend the other day" or "I invited a friend the other day"? Don't say "context", because realistically it could be either in a situation like this.
I wrote this sentence myself, so it doesn't come from anywhere. Would perhaps the particle attached to 友達 change depending on the intended meaning? に seems appropriate for the "went out to meet" meaning, but would が perhaps be preferred if the intended meaning was "invited"?
>>133682025
So what are they?
I feel like 掛ける would be a good fit for earrings.
>>133681716
I don't like it to that extent.
>>133682185
The usage of に or が doesn't mean what you think it means in that sentence.
>>133682185
>I met my friend today
How do you know if this sentence means if I was invited or I invited him?
Oh right, you don't, because a sentence doesn't miraculously contain all of the information you want to know.
>>133682194
I've seen する being used for earrings.
>>133682229
So it's not "I wouldn't say that I like it", it's "I don't like it that much", correct?
>>133682391
>How do you know if this sentence means if I was invited or I invited him?
You are comparing apples and oranges m8. "Met" can't also mean "invited". This is an entirely different issue.
In the case of 迎える, the meaning of the sentence changes entirely depending on what meaning is intended. "Met" in English just means you met someone.
>>133682185
Just think of 迎える as an intentional meeting.
>tfw DJT was number 3 on the top 10 countdown
Holy shit boys.
>>133682591
What?
>>133682591
wat
>>133682185
>How do you know if the person saying this means "I went out to meet a friend the other day" or "I invited a friend the other day"? Don't say "context", because realistically it could be either in a situation like this
How bout you start out by asking whether it's a correct sentence to begin with?
It isn't.
>>133682622
How would you say it then? What's incorrect about it?
>>133682761
俺は友達のケツにチンチンを入りました。
>>133682812
ランドム
ン
ド
ム
I CAN'T STOP PROCRASTINATING
SEND HELP
>>133682856
read VN
>>133682856
Help is procrastinating anon
懇意ああごぽちんっつ
こんいかうぇｗ
>>133682591
It wasn't.
>>133682761
Not him but the correct way to say what you want to say would be something like
>先日、私は友達に会いに行きました。
Now to
>先日、私は友達に迎えました。
The particle is wrong because 迎える is a transitive verb and it still is the wrong verb to use for what you want to say. If you want to write this sentence correctly, you can change it in two ways:
>先日、私は友達を迎えました。
>The other day, I received (welcomed) a friend.
or
>先日、私は友達に迎えられました。
>The other day, I was received (welcomed) by a friend.
>>133682895
Is there a list of easy ones anywhere?
I've never played any VNs before, so I know fuck all about them.
>>133683005
It was you stupid motherfucker. Don't come around here spouting bullshit telling me what was and what wasn't you pigshit little bitch.
>>133683042
download はなりらっ
>>133683042
俺たちに翼はない
>>133683054
Feel free to prove it then, you shit cunt.
>>133683054
Can you at least tell me what you're talking about? - someone else
>>133683099
>>133683118
I'll check them out, thank you.
>>133682591
What?
>>133682591
que
>>133683389
Stop blowing shit out of your arse.
男の娘
>>133683535
のほも
>>133683535
>microdick
No.
>>133683535
Holy fuck, those hands. Why も? There's no fucking way he can take the dick without splitting in half.
konichiwa
>>133683594
もしもし
チンポです
What is the absolute easiest thing on the reading list?
>>133683700
よつばと and はなひらっ！
記者会見
埋め立て承認
>>133683700
Find something you genuinely want to read. Seriously.
>>133683781
English please.
>>133683864
>>133683864
>>133683781
I'll take a gander, thanks.
>>133683785
Right now I just want to get an idea of where I'm at.
>Don't like fag anime and manga
>Just wanna play video games
>Video games suck for learning Jap
>>133679904
>>133679768
>>133679667
Why does he say god damnit so much?
Is that a stereotype?
>>133684352
Some regions of america say god damn it a *lot*. Source: american.
>>133684352
Hurt your feelings, little bitch? Fuck off.
>>133684398
I'm an American as well. Maybe the author is too, and is from a region like you describe.
>>133684468
What? No, I'm just curious.
>>133684234
That game looks like it simply sucks.
>>133683785
I'm debating over what to start with and I was wondering myself whether this was indeed the right way to go. Rather than picking something just because it's easy, I was thinking "wouldn't it be better to pick something because I'm interested in it?".
>>133684234
Anime is life friend
>>133684806
If you really haven't read anything at all yet I cannot recommend going for something because you're already interested in it. Normal material is just too hard. If you're just starting to read, do yotsuba or hanahira- or something else infamous for being very easy.
>>133684806
If you're putting in this much thought you're probably going to end up giving up after 10 minutes when things don't go according to plan.
独身
独得
>>133684883
It's not that hard to read a single page a day of something difficult, even if you've just started reading. I suppose it depends on how much you mind looking up every word and difficult expression.
>>133684234
why would anyone want to learn Japanese if not for anime/manga/VNs?
>>133684234
You just need the right games. Try the Kiseki games.
>>133684031
>>133683781
okay yeah shit, I am not ready to start reading, I do not understand any of this
>>133685037
A page a day is nowhere near enough, especially at high stress levels.
>>133685117
How much Japanese have you studied? Reading is supposed to be hard when you're starting out.
