First two parts of Chapter 4 are up https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Toaru_Majutsu_no_Index:NT_Volume14_Chapter_4
>“Hey, human. Don’t forget about Nephthys’s problem. Despite her unnecessarily large body, she can’t move. Someone will have to carry her, which will slow us down. I can’t exactly do it with this body, you’re in charge of fighting, and the cabal girl is out too. I guess that leaves the Index Librorum Prohibitorum.”
No wonder she died
>>133625690
I find it amusing that Othinus thinks she's at a good size right now.
>Kamisato is Shikamaru
Didn't see that one coming but it works well
The shadow thing Kamisato does is cool. I dunno, Kamisato seems far more organized and put together than Touma ever was and ever will be. This is, of course, a huge negative to people who like Touma's disorganized style
It's no wonder Kamisato's harem is much more devoted to him than Touma's now, it's become obvious he "saves" them by learning what their goals are and helping see them through, while Touma's version of saving often has him rejecting other people's methods and telling them that other ones would be better.
>>133626021
I'm thinking perhaps Kamisato's well put together style may be a part of why he hates his powers and magic gods. I can easily imagine him being a well put together person and feeling as though this neatly put together fighting style is a mockery of him and the way he once did normal things
>“Then what are you going to do? Save both sisters or refuse to give up on either one? You’re the kind of fool that never manages to make a decision and loses both of them. You’re a nothing with a different obsession than mine. You’re just a hypocrite who protects your own humanity by sobbing that there was no other option after you lose everything. Don’t make me laugh, Kamijou Touma. You choose nothing, abandon nothing, and take on none of the burden. I don’t want to hear someone like that lecture me on salvation. As long as you continue to support Leivina’s plan, you stand on the side of taking a life to give this a nice clean ending.”
>“Even if…”
>Kamijou Touma clenched his teeth, stared at his enemy, and shouted back from the bottom of his gut.
>“Even if that’s true, I still have to say it!! If a girl is standing before me asking for help, I have to give her that ideal answer or it’s all over!! I have to tell her that I won’t let anyone be lost, that I won’t leave anyone in a world of fear and suffering, and that I’ll make sure everyone can smile together in the end!!”
>Kicking Kamisato downstars
>Piercing Touma's foot with a pen
Quite normal fight. I like it.
>>133626146
Yes. Touma basically says "my way is right, and if you don't think so, I'll beat you over the head with my methods" while Kamisato seems to have a far gentler approach that appears to be nearly as effective
>Touma calls Kamisato a rookie as he details how to save both Birdway Sisters with methods Kamisato had all along
BASED
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>>133625610
Damn, this fight is intense, even for normal highschool boys.
>>133626410
Damn Touma's mind works fast at times like these.
>>133626374
Keep reading, Kamisato's way is not really depicted as being effective, he's the "make the hard choice guy" who in the railroad track problem would switch the track to kill one person and save 3. Touma is running onto the tracks and trying to grab everyone off of it instead.
>>133626546
So Touma is Shirou and Kamisato is Kerry
>No Birdway being badass fighting
Damn it, Kamachi.
>>133626591
birdway a shit
>>133626374
In this case, it's basically optimism versus pessimism. Touma's willing to take a chance if it means potentially saving everyone without sacrifices, which is certainly admirable and idealistic, but probably not practical or realistic. Kamisato's approach is more cynical, preferring a guaranteed method that will definitely save everyone, but with a cost attached.
Instead of risking failure for a greater result, he's just going to take an option with a 100% chance of success even if it isn't optimal. If you think about it, it's similar to how Kamisato would "rip up the love letter" because of how he's afraid to learn if it's real or not.
>They are trying to out moralfag each other
>>133625710
>Six inches is more than enough -Othinus
I WANT TO FUCK KAMISATO
>>133626586
Basically, Kamisato's harem is probably all over him because he listened to their ideas and supported them as much as he can, but might not be the best outcome even if it's the most realistic.
>>133626613
Which is why it's a good thing it's been shown Kamijou is a natural phenomenon and saves anyone if he is in the vicinity
Kamisatofags BTFO
>Why don't you just use the plant girl's fat?
Oh god, he weaponized Frodo.
>>133626666
>Basically, Kamisato's harem is probably all over him because he listened to their ideas and supported them as much as he can, but might not be the best outcome even if it's the most realistic.
Sometimes the best solution isn't the solution you want, though. Especially when a time limit is involved, sometimes you don't have the time to find the best solution. But hey, good going of Touma for finding a better solution. Something tells me it isn't going to be that easy, though.
>>133626682
>trying to start a flame war
>It’s important. Checking back over the initial conditions is important, rookie.
Oh damn, in the back of my mind I wanted this to happen but didn't think it actually would.
>This is what it means to be a normal high school boy!
Based
>>133626742
Everyone wants the best solution. You might not think you can pull it off, but as Touma said, everyone would want the "everyone lived happily ever after" ending if they thought it was realistic.
It's the last chapter, I wouldn't be surprised if it worked, not to mention like Kihara Kagun said if you're within Touma's sights you can be saved.
>>133626610
>Shitposting with shit taste
Insane Magic Gods > Kamisato
Selfish Touma > Bullshit Touma
So far reading this volume has only made me appreciate magic gods even more.
>>133626364
It is a really fun fight
You can see Touma is far more experienced and agressive but Kamisato is not lacking behind
>>133626817
Touma has always been selfish, since volume one. Do you not realize he did not save Index because it was right but because he wanted to? He doesn't save people because he thinks it's right. He does it for no other reason than he wants to
>>133625891
Is that how Kamisato uses his power? I still couldn't understand how he uses the shadows. Does he extend his own shadow from his person to use WR? Or is it more of a area where there are shadows of things he can use WR on?
>>133626799
>Everyone wants the best solution.
Yeah, but when a time limit is involved the time required to find the best solution might make it undesirable.
That's what I meant.
>You might not think you can pull it off, but as Touma said, everyone would want the "everyone lived happily ever after" ending if they thought it was realistic.
Yeah, but what would Touma do if he couldn't think of the best solution? He might be a quick thinker, but more complex problems would require more time to find the best solution and it would make it no longer be the best because of time spent trying to find it.
>“I will save them, Kamisato.”
>“?”
>“I will save both Leivinia and Patricia. They may both want to sacrifice themselves for the other! They may be willing to accept the pain and fear of being skin and bones hooked up to a machine! But I’ll destroy all of that and ruin all of that to save everyone and everything!! No matter what happens, I will not cut off the Birdway sisters as a lost cause!!”
>“What…are you talking about?”
>“This is what it means to be a hero. This is what it means to be a normal high school boy! This is what we say at times like this. An actual method or real odds of success don’t matter. Even if we have no idea what we can do and we’ve reached a dead-end, we still have to make sure everything works out in the end!! Isn’t that perfectly normal? Why should I have to explain why I would want to save everyone, keep everyone from dying, and not leave anyone behind in a world of fear and suffering!!!?”
>“Again, how will you do it?” Kamisato gave his mocking reply catching his breath. “The growth of Leivinia’s fruit will cause her to burst from within and forcibly removing Sample Shoggoth from Patricia will kill her. You can only save one or the other. You can’t save both. The only way to save both is to find an external way to supply Patricia with nutrients instead of relying on her body’s fat, no matter what changes the process will make to her body. Or are you saying you know someone with an even more useful supernatural power?”
>“Didn’t I tell you? I don’t care if you call it pathetic, unsightly, or backwards.” Kamijou answered with a relaxed smile. “According to Birdway, the parasite dissolved Patricia’s fat and slipped into that empty space. Since it’s handling the storage and distribution of nutrients, she’ll die from lack of nutrients if it’s forcibly removed. And that fruit is needed to safely drive it out without killing her.”
>>133626873
As soon as Kamisato stabbed Touma with the pen my first thought jumped to "cutting people off"
>>133626928
>“So what? Why would you repeat the hopeless situation?”
>“It’s important. Checking back over the initial conditions is important, rookie. And if those are our conditions, then this is simple. We just have to fill Patricia’s body with fat to take the place of that thing. And I’m not talking about an IV or dialysis. I’m simply talking about returning her to normal by giving her the fat she’s lost. If we use the fat to drive out the parasite like a game of musical chairs, Patricia won’t be left as skin and bones after the monster’s gone! If the new fat supplies her with the nutrients she needs, she won’t die!! We might be able to save her without the fruit!! And without her turning into a bedridden chrysalis!!”
>“Thanks for the speech, but do you see a convenient tool like that lying around? Don’t tell me actually think you can suck out your fat like a liposuction diet and pump it into Patricia to solve this.”
>“You already know the solution.”
>This time, Kamisato Kakeru came to a complete stop.
>For a brief moment, he completely forgot to fight his enemy.
>“What?”
>“You know someone who’s more like a plant than an animal, right? You know someone can use bonds and whatever else to absorb the traits of any kind of matter, right?”
>And…
>And…
>And…
>“Did you forget that fat doesn’t necessarily come from animals!? There are plenty of plant fats like canola oil or margarine!!”
>Kamisato Kakeru’s assumptions, perceptions, and thoughts vanished.
>His problems and hardships vanished.
>He even forgot to breathe.
>Meanwhile, Kamijou continued speaking.
>“Of course, just stuffing margarine inside someone’s body won’t supply them with nutrients. Things aren’t that convenient.”
>The fruit growing in Birdway’s chest was apparently made of corn starch.
>>133626899
What is NT9?
>>133626923
You're using the terms desire and "best solution" wrong. It takes no time to think "Man, it would be great if none of my friends died and we could go back to having happy days again". That's what everyone desires and is the best solution, it's just not always realistic or attainable.
>>133626969
Are you trying to prove me wrong by posting a volume that proves my point right
>>133626966
>The substance had originally been used in threads or sheets to sew up or cover wounds. Once affixed to the patient, they would naturally break down and fuse with the surrounding tissue to smoothly close the wound without needing to be removed later. In other words, the body would not reject it under the right circumstances.
>“But your comrade is different, isn’t she? You said that gardening club member named Claire is a Gemstone and her body is almost entirely like a plant. That means we only need her help. She can use her own body as an example to make some plant fat that the human body will accept. Then she only has to pump it into Patricia! That will solve everything without having to sacrifice anyone!!”
>“…”
>“So I’ll say it. I’ll shamelessly take what belonged to someone else and show it off like it’s mine. If you had just spoken to her yourself, you could have saved both the Birdway sisters!! And without the fear and suffering of becoming a bedridden chrysalis! But you tried to act cool, acted like tragedy was a virtue, and readily gave up on them without bothering to worry over it to a pathetic extent! How are you a hero? What salvation is there in anything you’ve done here!? You idiot!!!!!”
>Kamisato was caught off guard.
>The righteousness he had believed in had been rejected and his very existence was being mocked.
>“I have no proof this will work.”
>Kamijou spat out those words.
>He did not avoid looking at his own flaws.
>“Neither of us has any proof that our plan will save them. We’re both awful people for resting the lives of those sisters on our amateur opinions! But if I have a choice, I’ll go with my plan. Even if yours worked, there would be no smiles. If the odds are even, of course I’ll choose the one that lets us smile afterwards!!”
>>133627022
I think he's pointing out that NT9 is a turning point for Touma and he's more selfish now than he was before that.
>>133626921
If Touma is correct WR works by touching the victim with its shadow
He turned off the lights to have full control over the light sources and therefore shadows in the place
>>133627035
>Kamisato could not argue back. He could not move his right hand. He had realized that, in this situation, he could not provide an answer better than the one Kamijou Touma had.
>At that moment, a sticky noise reached them.
>They looked over and saw red and black amorphous creatures clinging to the wall of the neighboring building. One was an animal skin that looked like a rotting carpet and the other was an Antarctic parasite that dissolved a human’s fat and slipped into the empty space. Now that they had an answer, those beloved sisters no longer needed to fight to the death.
>“Those morons have been swept away by the atmosphere here!!”
>Kamijou moved his aching body to slowly stand back up.
>Kamisato looked up at him from the floor.
>“What are you going to do? They’re clinging to the wall pretty high up. That’s not in range of your right hand.”
>“Let me ask you something instead. What do you want to do?” spat back Kamijou. “You said before that you didn’t gain that power because you wanted to and that you aren’t doing this because you want to. If you can stand here, look at those sisters, and still say that, then you can sit there on your pathetic little ass. I’ll go take care of everything.”
>“…”
>“But if…”
>He paused for a beat and made a reversal.
>“If you look at those two! If you look at those girls crawling down the path of ridiculous tragedy and needless sacrifice!! And you feel anything at all, then come with me. Listen, rookie. The kind of normal high school boy you can find anywhere is someone who can become a hero at any time if they happen to see someone in need!!!!!”
>That was completely normal.
>Everyone felt the desire to save someone.
>But if they did not even try because they had decided they could not, then they were even lower than average.
>That was what a loser did.
>It was the thought process of someone without any balls.
>>133627051
It also explains why all his haremettes were armed with flashlights of all things, they weren't just pointing out Touma to Kamisato.
>>133627057
>So if they did not want to be called those names, they had to stand up.
>It did not matter if they were afraid, if their legs were shaking, if their teeth were chattering, or their mind had gone blank.
>Being normal or being average was not a simple thing. It was not easy. Doing nothing was not “normal”. A lot of effort went into keeping that title, even if it went unnoticed. Slacking off even a little bit in that effort would cause one to stray from the path of being “normal”.
>So…
>“Show me what being ‘normal’ is to you.”
>Kamijou Touma, the kind of normal high school boy one could find anywhere, spoke.
>“Show me just how beautiful the ‘normal’ world you want is!!”
>>133627070
Oh shit I didn't realize that until just now.
>>133627096
Was there really a need to dump half the chapter
So his plan is just to pump her full of fat?
Why couldn't normal surgery just work then?
>>133627142
anon that dump had him throwing retarded shit in, read that again then go read the chapter.
>>133627156
toumas trying to do it in a fashion that actively doesn't piss off the shuggoth.
>>133626742
Of course, it's a tradeoff. At the end of the day, everyone wants to save as many people as possible, but it comes down to how you go about it.
Are you willing to take a risk if it means you might achieve that golden ending? That's humane and hopeful, but looking at it another way, you could think of it as reckless and foolish. You might save everyone, but you might also save less than if you'd gone with a guaranteed route. You might even lose all of them.
Or are you not going to compromise and instead go with a surefire method to save people, even if it won't be the happiest ending for everyone? That's definitely logical and pragmatic, but on the other hand, you could say it's cowardly or even coldly utilitarian. In the end, you're immediately writing people off for the sake of results, whose smiles could have been protected if you'd just taken a chance.
>>133627015
>You're using the terms desire and "best solution" wrong.
You got my meaning, arguing about words is just pettiness from your part.
>That's what everyone desires and is the best solution, it's just not always realistic or attainable.
No, what everyone desires is a certain goal or target. The best solution is the way to reach that goal.
Again, what would Touma do if he couldn't think of the best solution in time to reach the best ending? He might be a quick thinker, but more complex problems would require more time to find the best solution and it would make it no longer be the best because of time spent trying to find it.
>>133627156
Sample Shoggoth would see that as resistance and it would go ballistic.
When the fuck is Othinus going to die?
>>133626935
I was still recovering from the fact that Touma throw Kamisato off the floor twice but you may have a point
>>133627192
Kamachi is tackling quite the complex issue in this LN.
I like it.
>>133627157
I only read a couple lines before figuring it was the exact same since those lines were. Sue me.
>>133627220
NT10
>>133627220
Speaking of which, isn't she riding on Touma's shoulder this whole fight?
>>133627057
nah Touma's just wrong here.
There is nothing wrong with not trying, and nobody is ever obligated to save someone else otherwise sacrifice would be meaningless.
>The only way to save both is to find an external way to supply Patricia with nutrients instead of relying on her body’s fat, no matter what changes the process will make to her body. Or are you saying you know someone with an even more useful supernatural power?
This is actually the point where I would chime in, "It's Beetle time."
>“Let me ask you something instead. What do you want to do?” spat back Kamijou. “You said before that you didn’t gain that power because you wanted to and that you aren’t doing this because you want to. If you can stand here, look at those sisters, and still say that, then you can sit there on your pathetic little ass. I’ll go take care of everything.”
Kamisato got completely annihilated there
>>133627201
I'm not being petty, Touma's "best solution" to every problem is quite literally just to make everyone happy. Saying that it might take time to think of a way to make everyone happy doesn't magically change the fact that everyone being happy would be the most preferred solution.
Kamisato seems like a better hero or person to turn to than Touma because he seems easier to talk to. Either Touma's racing off to save someone else or if you can manage to speak to him about a problem you'll just get "My thoughts and opinions are correct, I'll just punch it" there's no established connection there.
Holy shit, I've just figured out why I can't like any ship evolving Touma. He can't have a meaningful connection to anyone.
>>133627128
It was hinted in his first illustration too. The sun is shining behind him.
>>133627325
>I've just figured out why I can't like any ship evolving Touma. He can't have a meaningful connection to anyone.
Care to explain? I'm a bit interested in this claim of yours.
>>133627220
>implying
othinus at this point is full blown immortal, she has so many damn deathflags that she revolved back to full blown immortality and even more plot armor then touma.
Honestly it was too bullshitty that Touma suddenly got an answer that could solve their problem. Also, can't he see how Kamisato's way was something to give them more TIME? Fucking hell Touma. Birdway could just make another fruit after that as they didn't had a fucking time limit. But noooo, Touma needs to always be right.
>>133627301
I didn't think of Kakine but since he can replace entire bodies it would definitely work.
Best Doge when?
>>133627325
Holy shit you're dumb.
>>133625891
Dammit Kamachi
>>133627301
Or frog doctor or Pendex or Komoe
In all honesty there are a couple of capable healers on his side but I guess he choose someone on Kamisato's harem on pourpose
>>133627405
>Make a second fruit
>After the first one explodes and kills her
Good luck with that one
>>133627405
reminder kamisato is still gonna explode best doge and probably touma as well.
>>133627385
Any relationship with Touma would be nothing but hearing Touma say "my feelings and thoughts are always correct and I'll beat it into you if you disagree" in various ways. That's not a relationship.
>>133627449
I think he chose her because of Levinia's fruit being based on corn, it's the same way he decodes how magic works usually by thinking of tangentially related things.
>>133627473
He only does that to people who are wrong, though
>>133627473
Too obvious.
>>133627405
If Touma was the type of person to accept that sort of temporary solution he wouldn't have gotten involved with Index back in vol 1. Plus, at no point in his explanation did Kamisato actually say he was going to keep attempting to come up with a proper solution. He only intended to learn how to partially control the parasite but it would still be eating away at Patricia.
>Being normal or being average was not a simple thing. It was not easy. Doing nothing was not “normal”. A lot of effort went into keeping that title, even if it went unnoticed. Slacking off even a little bit in that effort would cause one to stray from the path of being “normal”.
Sure is hard being normal these days
>>133627473
The perfect housbando
>>133627289
Seriously this.
Sometimes I feel Touma is getting more retarded a la we Shirou now way.
>>133627405
>Touma needs to always be right
I don't think Touma is right rather Kamisato is too inexperienced to argue with Touma.
>>133627520
It is painfully obvious, but there it is
>>133627473
He gives in to Index about things literally every day, he sleeps in the fucking bathtub, he obviously knows how to compromise.
>>133627325
Even if Touma's unwilling to accept an answer that isn't his in regards to saving people, Kamisato's guilty of that too. It's like Touma said, he decided that destroying the fruit and hooking Patricia up to a machine was the only solution. What she thought or wanted is secondary.
>>133627564
Touma's been a Shirou since day 1 anon
>>133627220
Kind girls never die.
>>133627580
He doesn't want Index to starve. He sleeps in the bathtub because of his own feelings, not Index's. Those aren't examples of Touma compromising
>Everyone felt the desire to save someone.
>But if they did not even try because they had decided they could not, then they were even lower than average.
Touma and Deku (especially Chapter 1 Deku) would get along really well.
>>133627473
He only does that to people who choose to hurt or sacrifice innocents though. You're taking what he does superficially without analyzing it. It doesn't matter if you're a siscon, incestfag, shotacon, lesbian, lolicon or if you tried to kill him, as long as you don't hurt innocents then you're perfectly okay in his book. You can bite him or electrocute him and he'll be fine with it.
>>133627489
Yes but even for his standards he was being a little harsh, pointing out a solution that was right in front of Kamisato's nose
I think he was being mean on pourpose to slap some sense into his kouhai
PART 3 WHEN?
IT'S BEEN A HOUR ALREADY.
>Instead of glaring or yelling at her, he crouched down to her level and silently stared her right in the eye. After a while, she looked away awkwardly.
>The cabal boss pouted her lips and answered with a look on her face she could never let her cabal or sister see.
>>133627622
>What is every scene Index tells Touma she doesn't want the normal crap he's making
>What is not going off on Index about how he's treated unfairly
>What is not forcing her to do anything to help him out around the house, like read a damn cookbook
Like another anon said, he's only adamant about how to save people, and considering Kihara Kagun labelled him a natural phenomenon that doesn't allow anyone in his sight to die it's obviously working.
>>133627669
Little bit of Column A, little bit of Column B
>>133627669
It wouldn't hold the weight needed to make Kamisato realize he wasn't thinking things through all the way if the solution didn't come from his own support.
>>133627669
It's like pointing out your opponent's optimal set of moves against you in a chess game. Kamisato wasn't thinking hard enough.
>>133627697
Are you forgetting that 99% of his life is saving people? Yeah, I'd say that thought pattern wouldn't affect him when not saving peopl but his life is literally saving people. Anyone in his life would be constantly exposed to his "I am never wrong and will beat my opinions into you if you dare disagree"
>>133627610
Their ideas of saving everybody are different
So are their methods
>>133627655
Touma's just being wrong here.
There's no shame in not doing anything. We aren't obligated to help each other if we were our helping would lose meaning.
>>133627803
In what way are their ideas of saving people different? All I can think of is that Shirou ends up getting rid of people who are trying to kill everybody while Touma wants to save villains too, which to be fair is exactly what Touma did with HP.
>Index actually do something
>>133627853
But as long as a girl cries, he'll do something about it. He wants everyone to be happy, after all.
>>133627878
The Touma, Index and Othinus team is quite good.
>>133627875
You lost me. Touma never saved HP.
>>133627801
Touma is only "never wrong beat my ideals into you" so far as saving everyone is concerned, if you tell him there's a different way to do it he'll listen, if you tell him he doesn't have all the info he'll listen, the only time he doesn't is if you say "no you can't save everyone" and to be fair he's right to tell you no there, since that's his whole shtick.
>>133627853
Saving someone,
saving yourself for your own sake,
and saving yourself for someone else's sake are three different, yet reasonable things.
It's wanting to save someone, only to think you can't pull it off that becomes a problem.
>>133627911
That's my point, I was saying the only difference I could think of was Shirou killing the servants to end the grail war to save innocents, but Touma has on occasion tried to off people (HP specifically) to save others they're putting in danger.
(He doesn’t actually touch whatever it is like I do. That wouldn’t allow him to attack long range. Then is it anything he sees? Anything he points at? No, it isn’t those either. If so, he wouldn’t have caused a blackout before the attack. He would have wanted to increase his field of vision.)
So…
“The shadow.”
>>133627853
Touma is basically saying the only sin is giving up, which he's only half wrong about.
>>133627875
Not him, but one distinction you can make is that Shirou takes all the burden on himself. He doesn't have value in his own eyes, so he has difficulty accepting others getting hurt for his sake, and his desire to save and protect people is often coupled with nigh-suicidal and irrational actions because of self-preservation being put below everything else.
Touma doesn't really have issues with getting assistance from others and he doesn't necessarily throw himself onto problems like they're grenades.
>>133627875
>Touma wants to save villains too, which to be fair is exactly what Touma did with HP
Touma doubled down on wanting to save "villains" because he regretted disposing of High Priest. HP's rep preceded HP himself.
>>133628012
Before NT9 though I'd say he still has pretty low self worth, the fact he was willing to kill himself to keep everyone else smiling was the whole point of the novel. So before that "day 1" he was more like him. He's willing to rely on others a bit more than Shirou but it isn't unheard of for Shirou to rely on others, he just doesn't fall in as many situations where he's very obviously in need of non lethal help from someone else.
>>133627220
She probably can't die to WR
>>133627911
Oh shit now I see why you're confused, I meant to say "but to be fair Touma stopped trying to save HP like Shirou would"
>>133627449
Frog could surely save her easily, but Touma doesn't know the extend of his science powers
>This is what it means to be a hero. This is what it means to be a normal high school boy!
Based Touman
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>>133628288
>>133627534
It's hard when you have to deal with saints, super powerful magicians, level 5 espers and magic gods on a daily basis, or even twice a day. Because the normal thing to do is to show them they are wrong on their ways and punch their faces through multiple worlds.
>>133628051
Touma's wanted to save villains for a long time anon. Look at Vento, Othinus, whatever that black chick's name was, Tsuchimikado in NT7. If he thinks you're just going about it the wrong way he wants to save them too. Even the guys like Terra or Fiamma he was just trying to stop from fucking over everyone else.
>“Listen, rookie. The kind of normal high school boy you can find anywhere is someone who can become a hero at any time if they happen to see someone in need!!!!!”
Touma-Senpai pls notice me
>>133627853
You are not a normal high school student anon. You don't understand how normal high school students keep their normalcy
Threadly reminder Mikoto a Best
>You choose nothing, abandon nothing, and take on none of the burden
But Touma's first option is that if someone needs to be sacrificed, then he'll sacrifice himself. That's what he literally got into a fight over Birdway with. Surprised Touma let that comment slide.
>>133628436
>tfw you will never be a normal high school boy
Why is normal people so overpowered?
>Touma actually dominated the fight
>>133628503
>filename
I immediately read it with the same noise as Accel making that plasma ball
>This is what it means to be a normal high school boy!
ABSOLUTE MADMAN
>>133628503
Mikoto a shit.
>>133628546
He's a real pro at being a normal high school boy
>self-absorbed asshole who acts cool by calmly giving up too easily and then tries to show off how he made the painful decision no one else could
My sides.
>>133628388
I'm agreeing with you. I'm just pointing out that his fights against Othinus and St. Germain, combined with High Priest's appearance and demeanor, brought Touma's instinct to dispose of a Magic God to the forefront.
Once the task was done, of course the lull in his core would ring hollow.
It sure is convenient that a plant girl just happened to be around.
>>133628611
When you said he regretted getting rid of HP you made it sound as though that was the point when he started wanting to save villains.
>>133627405
>Gemstone that can control plants
>fruit growing out of their body
Gee, that is not hard
>>133628546
He can fight with several normal gang members by himself with his normal abilities
>>133628652
Kakine would have worked just fine.
>>133628671
Honestly, his old claim of being able to barely win against two Skill-Outs at once kinda became obsolete, once Touma could take on and knock out heroes left and right during the free-for-all in NT7.
>But you tried to act cool, acted like tragedy was a virtue, and readily gave up on them without bothering to worry over it to a pathetic extent! How are you a hero? What salvation is there in anything you’ve done here!? You idiot!!!!!”
damn his a pro at being a normal highschool boy
>>133628709
Wasn't that because they were distracted by the thing controlling the hero archetype.
>>133628709
The heroes were not normal, they easily lost because of that. Remember that he can only lose against normal espers, normal American soldiers and normal magicians
Kamisato got BTFO so hard by Touma. Literally broke his illusions without even needing to punch him.
>>133628535
>You choose nothing
Touma choose to protect Othinus and save her despite the villain she was.
>abandon nothing
Turned his back on those he once called comrades because they don't share the same time as Touma and fought them with everything he had.
>and take on none of the burden
Took on Othinus's burden and walked alongside her in doing so became a target of the world.
Othinus a Best
>>133628728
>That was completely normal.
>Everyone felt the desire to save someone.
>But if they did not even try because they had decided they could not, then they were even lower than average.
>That was what a loser did.
>It was the thought process of someone without any balls.
>So if they did not want to be called those names, they had to stand up.
>It did not matter if they were afraid, if their legs were shaking, if their teeth were chattering, or their mind had gone blank.
>Being normal or being average was not a simple thing. It was not easy. Doing nothing was not “normal”. A lot of effort went into keeping that title, even if it went unnoticed. Slacking off even a little bit in that effort would cause one to stray from the path of being “normal”.
Being normal is fucking hard man. Now it becomes clear what Touma's normal means. What other people call ideally selfless, he calls normal. Something lower than that is below average.
so im guessing touma will lose this fight considering how his grooming kamisato as normal highschool boy
>>133628785
Anon it's clearly not about that. Kamisato is talking about Kamijou being a fence sitter when it comes to moral paradoxes not about choosing girls. Ignoring that your claims he turned back on his comrades etc are straight up wrong.
>>133628091
NT9 is a good example, not only Shirou would have killed himself to protect the perfect world without a doubt, if he knew Touma rejected it he would probably label Touma as evil and try to kill him out of sheer rage
>>133628824
As long as everyone goes home smiling without losing anything, he considers it a win anyway.
raildex a shit
sage
>>133628838
That's why I clearly said Touma before NT9 was like him anon.
>>133628503
Perfect body. Haimura getting his shit together and drawing her the way she should be.
>>133628790
That's not it.
Touma actually believes that his way of thought is normal. He truly, genuinely believes that if anyone were in his position, they'd do the same thing. To him, "heroes" don't exist because everyone has the capacity to be a hero.
He doesn't place "normalcy" on some sort of pedestal. He puts the entire human race on a pedestal.
>Toumafags defending Touma for forcing his childish ideal bullshit
>>133628824
But the fight already ended, now they are into the saving people part.
>>133628838
>implying touma wouldn't slap shirous shit in if he tried.
>>133628830
My point is he's full of shit and understands nothing.
>Ignoring that your claims he turned back on his comrades etc are straight up wrong.
If I'm recalling correctly its because of what Ollerus said during the fight with two saints is why I said that.
>>133627157
Having gone back and read the dump, what am I missing? It looks the same.
>>133628790
It kinda goes back to the speech about the world not ending
"Normal" is not the natural state of things, it is something special
>>133628918
>not choosing the ideal route
kamisato please
>>133628957
Kamisato was saying that if Touma had the classic railroad track situation, where you have to either switch the tracks to save 3 people and doom one, Touma would sit there and not pull it. Which he's actually completely right about, when you stick Touma in between a rock and a hard place and force him to make a decision between saving two people he doesn't make a choice, Touma says "fuck you I'm saving both of them" which isn't making a choice, he's not deciding to save one or the other, he's taking both options.
>>133629056
i don't understand why that isn't acceptable when he has the ability to do so.
>>133628917
I don't deny that though? I was speaking of it in terms of what people normally say and the standards other people use since it's comparing it to his view. For him, other people's ideal is what he expects everyone is capable of. Not sure what we're disagreeing with actually since I think that too.
>>133629108
Just because it works for Touma doesn't mean it always will is the point. Touma's an exception and a force of nature, realistically things shouldn't always work out for him, which is why when Kamisato says he makes no hard choices and doesn't abandon anything he's not wrong. Touma does indeed save everyone in arms reach and doesn't choose between the people or the methods in which he saves them, he goes for the best method every time. The "take on none of the burden" line is a little more awkward since there hasn't really been many a situation where Touma's failed post memory loss but he does think it's his fault for HP to be fair.
Basically, Kamisato isn't wrong, he's being a utilitarian, but he's also not thinking positively enough, he's taking it as a foregone conclusion that you can't save everybody perfectly with everyone smiling so when someone gives him a half assed solution he goes "yeah that's probably as good as it gets" where Touma is more optimistic and says they can do better.
>>133629056
And I go right back to my point which is he understands nothing. He has so little experience and knows nothing of the world yet is speaking like he's Omniscient
>decision between saving two people he doesn't make a choice
prego nigga. .
>>133629220
It's true though, if I say "Do you want an orange flavored or grape flavored popsicle" knocking me out and taking both of them doesn't mean you've made a choice.
>>133629016
SHIROU WAS WRONG.
>>133629213
anon you never actually answered my question though, if he has the ability and knowhow to deal with the situation in the best manner thats normally not possible why not do it?
Anyone got the image with the raildex definition of normal high school boy?
I'm liking Kamisato more than Touma here. Touma's obnoxious with his approach.
>>133629244
>prego nigga
What do you think I meant by this?
>>133629315
Me too, but I've always found Touma cancerously obnoxious so there's that
>>133629267
I did anon you just didn't read it thoroughly. Kamisato is talking about situations where you wont always have the know how to make the best choice, because he's a rookie and he overlooks things. He thinks the best solution isn't attainable and that wildly stamping in the darkness and hoping you'll find that solution i wrong.
At no point has Kamisato said "Yeah well even if you can save both of them I'm going to do it in my half assed way" He just doesn't think that Touma can always have the best solution because it fees unrealistic.
>>133629331
That you're a meme spouter who doesn't like using normal sentences.
>>133629346
Kamisato pls.
>Index-Othinus bromance
>>133629346
I don't think Kamisato is wrong, but I don't think Touma is either. I believe Touma needs to lose both girls so he can learn to be disappointed and realized he can't always get his perfect ideal way.
This would be a good way to develop him. I think both should learn to compromise depending the scenario.
>>133629315
>>133629340
Same. Kamisato is a breathe of fresh air. Touma has become so tedious and wall-banging level of annoying for some time now.
>>133629315
>wanting to go with the "take care of a veggy route"
no thanks
>>133629346
>not being ok with it just works
kamisato plz.
>>133629267
Capability doesn't necessarily imply success.
>>133629377
I'm with Touma on this one though, like I said Kamisato is just fucking up because he's a rookie who isn't a force of saving like Touma who manages to always find a way. He needs to learn to look harder for the best solution, but if he can't find it I don't think making compromises is wrong.
>>133629346
Funny thing is that he overlooks things not because he's a rookie (he is) but because his personality flaw dictates that he overlooks things. He cuts off options prematurely because he's afraid of failure. Nigga didn't even try to see what it's like with Leivinia and he's already decided on what to do.
>>133629407
It's less about this and more about Touma learning to grow up and realize the world isn't that simple and sometimes he has to make hard choices.
I couldn't care about two side girls. They could both die and I won't miss them. They are generic harem filler member number 654641.
>>133629405
Agreed. I wouldn't call Kamisato "better" but he pairs well with Touma and gives some airing out of Touma's bullshit
>>133629450
Kamisato isn't Kiritsugu. He's Rin. She had the same issues.
>>133629399
Funny thing is Pre amnesia Touma did have that experience he just forgot it.
>>133629399
Touma would never compromise. Don't you remember what he told Hamazura? No matter how many times he hits game over and has to restart, he'll still keep going forward no matter what. Even if he fails, he'll still keep trying over and over no matter what. Failing to save someone won't change his viewpoint.
His logic isn't that what he's trying to do isn't possible. His logic is that even if you fail, even if the chances are small, he still has to try. Even if everyone else around him has already given up, he'll still try. He won't always succeed, but that doesn't mean he should stop trying just because he fails a couple times.
>>133629498
>Kamisato fucks up at the most important times
>So he has to compromise
I can see it
>>133629560
It's more like Rin doesn't want to try to do the impossible but the most realistic good outcome. All their chat remind me to Rin vs Shirou in HF honestly (about Sakura).
>>133629409
>it just works
fuck off Todd
>>133629538
That's why I think he needs character development.
>>133628655
I said he doubled down; he was already saving them before HP, but seeing HP die made his conviction twice as strong.
>>133629599
Ah that's what you meant
>>133629599
Everything since NT9 has reminded me of HF and I'm nit fan of HF
>>133629641
Yes, although the perfectionist facade and insecurities could also play. Rin also keeps a "mask."
>>133629630
And he just told you why that wouldn't work. If Touma was somehow knew that his method of trying to get the best outcome wouldn't work he'd compromise, but he wouldn't fail, and then decide next time "just in case I fail, I should compromise now"
>>133629657
Also the HF vibe has made me feel like this series is going to have the edgiest ending ever
>>133629687
I think watching both of them die for his indecision would shake him.
>>133629696
In what way is "everything works out because of magic except the loli" the edgiest ending, this isn't mind of steel.
>>133629599
>Kamisato is best girl
>>133629630
He's had character development. It's only reinforced his ideals. Touma doesn't want to give up on anyone. He doesn't want to "cut anyone off". No matter how many times he fails, he will never learn the lesson that you want him to learn. He will always strive for an ending where everyone is smiling.
>>133629056
>Kamisato was saying that if Touma had the classic railroad track situation, where you have to either switch the tracks to save 3 people and doom one, Touma would sit there and not pull it.
Nobody said it by now?Touma would punch the train, that crazy bastard.
>>133629716
Touma doesn't have indecision though, he's not going to lose anyone because he's waffling, he runs right into stuff and starts working on solving them right away. Even in OT1, his first reaction was to pick up the phone and start calling anyone and everyone who might be able to help him find another way.
>>133629733
There's also a "Shirou dies, Sakura plants flowers as an I'm sorry for murdering everyone" ending and a "Shirou becomes empty shell of himself" ending. And Mind of Steel was a good end
>>133629785
Which come to think adds credence to the whole "if Touma knows nothing else will work he'll compromise" thing, he was just about ready to let Stiyl erase Index's memory to save her that way and not in the best way when he had run out of time.
Kamisato should have been an "ordinary high school girl" surrounded by a harem of hot guys.
>>133629814
And there were lots of bad endings too, what's your point? The main ending, the one you were supposed to get wasn't edgy and that's the sort of ending Touma would work for anyways.
>>133629814
>Mind of Steel was a good end
>>133629840
We can't all have nice things
>>133629814
Shirou is an empty shell of himself in mind of steel, idiot.
>>133629325
Excellent. Thanks anon.
>>133629840
Kamisato and Touma have more chemistry together than them with their own "harem". They would have had hatesex and then ditch their harems to have weirdly arm powered ordinary children.
>>133629056
You wouldn't know what decision Touma would make because he's never been in that situation and probably never will.
>>133629840
Kamisato should have been a little girl.
>>133629862
We've already essentially got "hero says fuck everyone, muh evil girl is more important than anything, everyone is sorta okay in the end" so an edgy end being up next makes sense
>>133629901
I'm taking about Sparks Liner High
>>133629948
If you're talking about Othinus, she was literally dying and had lost her powers. Wanting to save her from execution was in no way comparable to leaving Sakura around.
>>133629926
>More chemistry together than with their harem
I dont want to be that guy but did you read the first half of the volume? They were pushing the "understanding" thing between Othinus and him pretty hard, talking by just giving each other looks, discussing what's evil and knowing each other's answers and shit.
>>133629939
Actually scratch that, he has been in that situation in the omegaworld and he made his decision.And then changed his mind.
>self-absorbed asshole who acts cool by calmly giving up too easily and then tries to show off how he made the painful decision no one else could
Kamachi keeps poking fun at certain types of readers in this volume.
>>133629985
It's literally the exact same thing though.
>>133630014
It's not though, Touma made his decision to save Othinus after she was no longer a threat and Shirou made his while Sakura was still killing people. HF wasn't about "Hey we got Shadow out of Sakura, but you know she did some evil stuff she deserves to die for it" like Othinus was
>>133629987
Othinus and Touma seems forced as fuck, while with Kamisato there's a clear common ground and role experience.
They really should have killed Othinus off and make Kamisato a girl.
>>133630056
Othinus chose to be an evil bitch.
Sakura was asleep and had no fucking clue and when she realized what happened, she stopped sleeping.
>>133630089
It's one of the least "forced" character relations in the series, besides literally.
>>133630056
You'd be right if everyone knew Othinus was no longer a threat and just wanted her to die for her crimes. But they didn't. They are both still about a hero saying "fuck everyone my evil girl is more important"
>>133630136
A lot of people were told by Touma "she's not a threat" and gave the reply "I don't care" though
>>133628750
What even IS a normal Magician or Esper?
Also, who is Kamachi trying to fool with this 'normal' thing anyway?
>>133629996
>kamachi writing style is now cancer
>sakura is evil
Missing the point of HF and I don't even like Sakura.
>>133630132
It felt pretty forced in chapter 1 actually. It was a lot better written in NT10. The problem is Kamachi is beating us over the head too much with the 'understanding' stuff.
>>133630187
Well I can't really tell you you didnt think it felt forced, but it's subjective, I thought it worked really well.
>>133630187
>Kamachi is repetitive.
Nothing new here.
>>133630132
I'd say there's worse forced relationships (Touma and Mikoto) but even those other forced relationships kinda sorta make sense if you view them as hat they are and don't force extra shippingshit or hate onto your point of view, even if said relationships are obnoxious. But Touma and Othinus does seem forced. It's like a giant club beating you over the head with "THEY UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER" "LOOK MORE UNDERSTANDING" "DO YOU BELIEVE THET UNDERSTAND WACH OTHER YET? LET ME TELL YOU ONE MORE TIME"
>>133630136
Sakura isn't evil though. Like this guy says >>133630175 Sakura was a convenient scapegoat. If you wanted to punish the real responsible force for HF... you need to wipe out humanity.
Angra Mainyu was a scapegoat too. Shirou simply chose to eliminate him knowing well that he was innocent too. That was the duel between Kotomine and him was about. Both were protecting scapegoats of humanity's sins.
That's why his ideal of "justice" crumbles. Because he realizes humanity is inherently evil. Saber's tainted too, because she too comes to this realization. It's fairly symbolic.
>>133630136
Except everyone was mistaken in this case.
It's not that she's more important than everyone else, it's that there's nothing to lose in trying to save her. This isn't some scenario where keeping Othinus alive endangers the people around her, she was powerless and was even letting herself be slowly killed until Touma convinced her otherwise.
>But I’m not going to become some self-absorbed asshole who acts cool by calmly giving up too easily and then tries to show off how he made the painful decision no one else could!! You don’t get to decide what salvation is, Kamisato!!
REKT
>>133630264
>Touma and Mikoto
There is nothing forced about their relationship. Mikoto wants to go on adventures with Touma so she runs after him and Touma doesn't want to get shocked by Mikoto so he runs away from her.
>>133630282
>nothing to lose
>not harming people
She's still harming Touma by existing.
>>133630264
>INDEX LOVES FOOD.
>INDEX LOVES FOOD.
>INDEX LOVES FOOD.
>INDEX LOVES FOOD.
Do you understand now?
>>133630342
In that sense it's not forced, meaning that doesn't seem illogical. But it IS forced considering she shows up when she shouldn't
>“It’s important. Checking back over the initial conditions is important, rookie.
>Listen, rookie. The kind of normal high school boy you can find anywhere is someone who can become a hero at any time if they happen to see someone in need!!!!!”
Touma laying the smack on Kamisato. Never thought I'd see the day Touma would be looking down on others and calling them rookie.After the novel, Kamisato ditches his harem to learn the way of the right hand under Touma
>>133630187
Not him but I didn't really see anything forced in their scenes. The only thing that I felt slightly forced was Kamachi using Othinus as a mouthpiece to explain why Touma doesn't get a power-up in the story and why the story will still continue like it always has. It was something about the way it was written that makes you think the author was writing to the readers instead of 2 characters in-universe having a conversation. Kamachi does a lot of meta stuff so I'm used to it but he seems to be doing a lot more in this volume.
>>133630353
When did I ever say that wasn't forced as well?
>>133630264
I don't see how just because Kamachi makes the same point a few times it's forced, it's called reinforcement. It's forced if he tells you something and you hear it and go "no that doesn't make sense" not because you've heard it before. They understand each other because they've gone through a shit ton together and their views on lot of matters have influenced each other. Touma and Othinus both talk about what is and isn't evil and they're basically just confirming things with each other, they both do the same sort of things like trying to put themselves in front of harm's way for the other because they know it's been tough for them and they don't want to see it happen. Since NT10 they've had lots of scenes with them confirming things with one another like in NT12 why he's going to get up and keep trying, or smaller things like the banter in the start of this volume, where Othinus knows he's going to take a crack at her for being a freeloader and preempts it.
It's repeated a lot but I don't think it's forced unless you mean forced into your face and unsubtle.
>>133630381
>she shows up when she shouldn't
>>she runs after him
Kind of explains it, doesnt it?
>"You said before that you didn’t gain that power because you wanted to and that you aren’t doing this because you want to. If you can stand here, look at those sisters, and still say that, then you can sit there on your pathetic little ass. I’ll go take care of everything."
Goddamn, this was delicious.
>>133630415
It is forced, in your face, unsubtle, and repetitive, it's like it's trying way too hard to make same sure you know it.
>>133630484
So you were using forced to mean "presented more than I like" then
>>133630484
>It is forced, in your face, unsubtle, and repetitive,
This sums up the whole volume.
>>133630515
Change "than I like" to "than was necessary to get the point across"
>>133630386
Well now Touma is spouting more bullcrap than ever since mist people do not become heroes.
>>133630555
That changes my understanding, I always see "forced" used to say that something is crammed into a story where it doesn't fit, like forcing a square peg into a round hole. If you're just saying it's repeated all the fucking time, then you're right.
>>133630595
Yeah, it's been repeated far more than necessary which kind of feels cheap and forced. I mean, why rely on repeating so much when showing it would be far more effective and feel far less cheap? here's several different meanings of the word.
>“Oh? You certainly have learned how to make things sound romantic since I last saw you.”
Birdway a cute. Seriously hope she'll be in nt15 but probably not.
>>133630682
Wait you lost me. What's the difference between repeating it and showing it? I don't recall the narration literally saying "they understood each other" too often. I'll admit I might have glossed that though if it is.
>>133630719
I never it was new and it being new or not doesn't negate its existence
>Touma suddenly knows shit about biology despite being a idiot at school and hardly ever turning up
>>133630766
Be honest, how many volumes did you skip?
>>133630769
He's spouted random science facts before, AC education is still pretty good.
>>133630751
It was said a lot, in several different ways.
>>133630769
He is not actually an idiot, most of his bad grades are because he misses school half of the time and AC education is pretty good
>>133630784
None
>>133630769
If I remember correctly he was only shit at language and the power curriculum, he did use some string and poles to calculate something involving the trajectory of one of AC's laser bombers during WW3.
>>133630796
My bad then, I don't usually recall how often a specific thing is said, I just remember new things.
>>133630708
>Instead of glaring or yelling at her, he crouched down to her level and silently stared her right in the eye. After a while, she looked away awkwardly.
>The cabal boss pouted her lips and answered with a look on her face she could never let her cabal or sister see.
Definitely a cute.
She still eats hot pot with them in the end right? If she doesn't have to take her sister back to England, maybe she could stick around a little bit longer. If the transition from NT13 to NT14 showed anything, maybe another event will happen immediately after NT14 and she'll still be around for that event.
>>133630769
>>Touma suddenly knows shit about biology
He doesn't? He just connected the dots with the information he was given by Kamisato and Birdway. He doesn't add anything to it.
>>133628652
Well duh, if Touma didn't have some sort of convenient solution it would have made him look hella retarded.
>>133630818
That's bullshit if you're asking why kamachi is repeating know facts over and over.
>>133630394
Othinus saying Touma shouldn't get a power up is bullshit, not in the sense that it didn't happen, but in the sense that it's stupid and, as you said, slightly forced.
Touma getting a 'power up' was basically hinted at in the Terra fight, Fiamma fight (and by extension Railgun Daihaseisai and Izzard fight), and Magic God incidents.
Touma apparently isn't using IB to its fullest potential and/or IB is 'incomplete'. A logical power up would be a complete IB and Touma using it to its fullest potential.
This seems more likely to be more likely than the second possible power up, which would be IT/Dragons
The IT/Dragons are sealed by IB. Normally in stories, things that are sealed inside people (or in general) get released, after which they're re-sealed or harnessed in more controlled and efficient ways. Touma harnessing IT/Dragons (either with or without having to remove IB) is another power up idea that seems to make sense.
>>133630682
>why rely on repeating so much when showing it would be far more effective
Not him but they did show it. The conversation between them was exactly what I wanted Index's conversation with Touma to be like since they supposedly have a close bond. Or is the complaint because Kamachi wrote "You really do understand me" and "As someone who understands you"? Because if you disregard those and just focus on the contents of the conversation, that was how they showed their understanding with one another.
I can agree putting in the narration of how they understood one another can be forced but if you only look at the contents of their conversations, then there's nothing forced about their interaction.
>>133630769
didnt kamisato introduce the plant girl to him and she is plant cells?
>>133630796
Quick reread and I'm seeing the understanding thing directly mentioned three times in chapter 1, and the first time portrays like it is more of a title given by others than actually saying Touma understands Othinus.
>>133630857
I'm not asking anything. I'm saying he's being repetitive to the point it hurts the writing. Whether or not this is new from him or not is irrelevant.
>>133630828
It'll depend on how this novel actually ends. If the Kamisato gives up on killing othinus then all the current urgent storylines are over. And I can see Kamachi giving Touma some rest for a week or 2.
The next novel is probably the christmas one.Birdway in a santa outfit to suprise Touma please.
>>133630860
Othinus was mostly talking about him getting a "new power" like martial arts or using weapons though. Using IB more, to take away the opponent's ability to kill him rather than just taking them out with kung fu before listening to them doesn't go against what Othinus was talking about.
>>133630910
It's only December 6th right
>>133630873
That seems to be what his and my problem was, he was talking about how the narration says it all the time and I had ignored the narration to just see it in their interactions.
>>133630910
You never know, shit pops up quickly in Touma's life.
Christmas with his imouto sounds fun though.
>>133630901
It has always been his writing style to exaggerate and repeat know facts over and over. Which is why Othinus being said to understand Touma or vise versa in nothing new. It's like repeating Index can become a magic god if she used her knowledge correctly or saints can move at the speed of light or even kamachi comedy. Don't take it seriously.
>>133630860
Like >>133630939 said Othinus specifically stated an "obvious offensive power", an advanced form of IB would still be a defensive ability.
Kamisato won't give up his goals on killing all the magic gods now r-right?
Can't be letting these filthy beings off the hook just yet.
>>133630943
Somewhere around there I think but it wouldn't be the first time there have been a few weeks in between stories.
>>133630828
Based touman know how to handle little girls
>>133630910
>Touma gets two weeks of break
Touma fucking wishes
>>133631009
That's what I'm anticipating, especially since Neph is alive right now and we have this illustration to explain. Kamisato will likely say something like "You might be right this time but I can't forgive the magic gods" or some shit, maybe Laura pops up, but something happens to Neph and Doge and soon.
>>133631010
We probably won't get Christmas until around Christmas next year.
>>133627473
There's a huge difference between a life and death situation and the usual everyday shenanigans anon.
>>133630386
Will it include afirm handshake, IB and WR?
>>133631111
>They shake hands
>Plant girl says she doesn't think the plan can work
>Touma briefly doubts himself
>WR
>Fukou Da
>>133627534
So hey, /a/, care to tell how was the last time you saved a girl and what you defeated?I'm never going to china again, fuck, too much trouble making a chinese vampire girl learn the correct way to live her life.
>Touma is always right and always has a solution
>>133631009
Magic gods dindu nuffin. Othinus is a kind girl. She was gonna turn her life around and open a bakery.
>>133631009
It would be pretty pathetic if he just gave up after that dumb speech.
>>133631169
They told you to your face in NT4 that Touma is literally a force of nature that saves people. I'm not sure how you've missed that Touma will always have a solution through 30+ volumes
OFFICIAL UNDISPUTABLE OBJECTIVE LEVEL 5 ESPER POWER RANKINGS
DELTA FORCE TIER
Aihana Etsu
GOD TIER
Guts
Accelerator
TOP TIER
Mental Out
Dark Matter Beetle
MID TIER
Meltdowner
SHIT TIER
Railgun
Dark Matter
>>133631154
I saved a girlAbout a year agofrom a viciousdownpour of rainby getting help from my trustedumbrella by lending it to her
>>133631154
I just saved a random blonde girl on the street and got a new freeloader last week, starting to get some economical problems. Might have to turn down the food a bit.
>>133631211
>Dark Matter isn't stronger than "won't split myself in case I lose control" Beetle
>>133631211
>Shitty beetle over the original
Kill yourself. That faggot beetle couldn't even protect a loli in his first mission.
Beetle a shit.
>>133631154
I probably saved a girl many years ago over the phone. She had my landline number and I told she got the wrong number. I tried to put the phone down she insisted that we talk because she wanted someone to talk to. We talked for two hours talking about mundane things, only did later I realize she may have been depressed.
Look at that, I saved someone using my speech powers. Didn't even need to punch someone in the face or suffer unholy amounts of suffering.
>>133631277
>implying that power rankings are about power levels
>>133631154
I saved a girl's sweet tooth by defeating her feelings of embarrassment and poverty.She didn't have enough money for her candy, so I bought it for her.
>tfw not as much Leivinia in this volume as I expected
I need more. Hopefully it comes later.
>>133631211
>implyingBLAUisn't Etsu's esper power.
Kamisato is just trying to give Othinus her deserved punishment unlike the shit US government who let her go free.
He's not doing anything wrong.
>>133631154Had a thai 3 year old loli staying over at my place last april. She kept bugging me to make her thai food instead I kept feeding her frozen pizza. Suddenly her head grows 3 sizes and her mouth grows fangs, she screams at me that I've "unleashed the demon". Punched her so hard in the face the demon split in 2 as it left her body. My harem now contains a loli, trap and his tsundere twinsister.
>>133631355
>wanting more birdway
Fuck off, kamachi would do well to kill this bitch off. She's a garbage character.
>>133631347
Did you give her a free ride in your van too anon?
Forgetting the speech, that fight was fucking shit.
>>133631311
Beetle was only, what, a week old? Not even 5 days!
>>133631392
>She's a garbage character.
>>133631406
It's a normal fist fight after all.
>>133631397I don't drive even though I already have my license. My reflexes are failing me, so I'm scared of hitting someone.
>>133631385
Your harem seems more chill than mine.
Be careful with saving 3 hungry loli's and letting them become freeloader's anons. Money is but a fantasy for me now.
>>133631450
She needs to slap him again for completely forgetting her lesson.
>>133631406
We learned how the power worked with shadows and Kamisato tried to use flashlights to take advantage of it, Touma tackled him off a balcony, dodged by falling down another level, swept the legs, rolled around and kicked him down the stairs before Kamisato stabbed him with a pen and then they speeched each other. I'd say it was a pretty good normal fight.
>>133631211
I AM AIHANA ETSU
>>133631487
Hey same, nearly hit a tree going 70k and figured it wasn't worth it since my city has a good infrastructure for public transit anyways.
>>133631410
Doesn'tmatter.
>>133631543
Come on Carlos
>>133631154
I saveda few girls recently from some bullies. The jerks (who were guys) were throwing rocks at them so I stepped in and told them off.
>tfw no class tomorrow and I'm up at 3 am reading about an asian kid punching little girls
Fuck. I just finished NT 6, is NT 7 good enough to warrant reading now or should I give up?
>>133631618Were you saving the girls or the guys from the girls?
>>133631703The girls. A few of them were friends with my little sister so I had to step in.
>>133628503
a shit.
>>133631698
I'd personally finish 7 and 8 at my leisure but I'd always marathon 9-10 on my rereads.
>>133631698
NT7 isn't bad but it's not that great. It's sort of in between major arcs story. Things start getting real intresting at nt8. So I'd go to bed now and read nt7 tomorow and then prepare for a ride.
>>133631698
Weaker than the last three volumes. 7 is a complete mindfuck but Touma and Tsuchimkado's interactions were great.
>>133631698
>tfw you've been shitposting about Index for almost a week waiting for translations
NT7 was great in terms of sheer Kamachi bullshit, but as far as character interactions or fights it was just alright. I had fun with it.
>>133631698
I don't remember him punching any chicks in that volume, wasn't that the zombie one with accel,Mugino and kakine?
>>133631731
>my little sister
Do you have a good Imouto? I've recently realised I like anime imoutos so much is because I literally have the worst imouto imaginable.Fukou da
>>133631788
>That scene whereTouma cried for him.
>>133631849That was the one where they reverse engineered what it means to be a hero using Science
>>133631849
NT7 is the one with Fremea's power being to create heroes to protect her and a woman that wants to upload her consciousness into the fucking wind I don't even know.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated bottom of my class in the Academy City Curriculum, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on the Catholic Church, and I have over 300 confirmed punches. I am trained in philosophical warfare and I'm the top lecturer in the entire Science Side. You are nothing to me but just another nun. I will punch you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me just because you are the bride of God? Think again, harlot. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of espers across Japan and your life force is being traced right now so you better prepare for the preaching, whore. The preaching that completely destroys the pathetic little thing you call your ideals. You've been living your life incorrectly, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can donkey punch you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Kamijou Faction and I will use it to its full extent to psychologically slap your ass off the face of the continent, you little child error. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held on to your habit. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn tramp. I will shit morals all over you and you will drown in life lessons. You're illusion is about to be fucking broken, kiddo.
>>133631905
>Not wanting to become the wind itself
Besides the main antagonist I liked it
Why not just let Fraulein eat Shoggoth?
>>133631947
Because taking it out, no matter the means would kill Patricia without the plant girl or Kakine or something replacing her insides.
>>133631965
What about Cendrillon candy? We can make artificial human fat using Cendrillon's candy.
Why not let Heaven Canceller deal with it?
>>133631849
He punched birdway in nt6 senpai
>>133631982
Didn't they just make something that looked like a brain but looked like candy? Like Touma said you can't just shoot margarine or some shit into her and call it a day.
>>133632011
Touma doesn't know the extent of his abilities.
>>133632011
Because Touma doesn't understand just how amazing Heaven Canceller truly is. The most he's ever actually had to do for Touma was reattach his arm. Something that would have happened on its own regardless.
>>133632023
offscreen
Why not take some of Leivinia's fat and clone the shit out of it? They already use cloning for food, so you'd think growing organs for transplants would be the norm in AC.
>>133632160
Why not just ask Seria to use whazitcalled that gave her a new eye to make some new fat for Patricia?
>>133631154
I had to break it to a girl that her Mom committed suicide back in her younger years and she'd completely failed to notice and ended up throwing the remains away thinking it was trash.She took it surprisingly well, it's crazy how much less of a raging bitch tornado she is when it's just me and her talking. So, I guess I defeated her hatred of me a little.
>>133632183
Maybe when Patricia was saying science couldn't fix it she was talking about tech outside AC, we know they don't like to share and Seria is actually quite the VIP. She probably doesn't know how advanced AC stuff is.
Why does it seem kamachi makes everyone other than Touma retarded?
>>133632208
You see, we're all a little a bit heroes sometimes.
>>133632226
To be fair Levinia doesn't know a lot about AC tech so the Kakine/cloning options for her were out, the question is how Patricia didn't know, it seems less likely.
>>133632226
Touma's retarded too he's just got a legion of cocksuckers ready to praise him for every single thing he does
>>133632250
>the question is how Patricia didn't know, it seems less likely.
She is an outsider and only helps with some public researches. They wouldn't let her know anything about their secret super science
>>133632258
But most of them don't suck his dick as hard as Kamisato's harem to him. Touma's harem is mostly filled with tsunderes, kuuderes and people that stopped trying to go for his dick years ago.
>>133631917
>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated bottom of my class in the Academy City Curriculum, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on the Catholic Church, and I have over 300 confirmed punches. I am trained in philosophical warfare and I'm the top lecturer in the entire Science Side. You are nothing to me but just another nun. I will punch you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me just because you are the bride of God? Think again, harlot. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of espers across Japan and your life force is being traced right now so you better prepare for the preaching, whore. The preaching that completely destroys the pathetic little thing you call your ideals. You've been living your life incorrectly, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can donkey punch you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Kamijou Faction and I will use it to its full extent to psychologically slap your ass off the face of the continent, you little child error. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held on to your habit. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn tramp. I will shit morals all over you and you will drown in life lessons. You're illusion is about to be fucking broken, kiddo.
Beautiful, anon.
>>133632342
What is her PhD even in? Everyone knows AC is ahead of everything else by 10 years or so, so if we've got anything even sort of like cloning fat tissues (we do) she should be able to figure out they could probably fix her as well.
>>133632364
I think he's talking about anons.
>>133632386
>I think he's talking about anons.
Oh, it was too meta for me. Well done anon.
>>133632258
>praise him for every single thing he does
But he's constantly being insulted and criticized every single day. Kamisato's harem freely tries to bathe with and sleep in the same room as him. If any such development were to happen with Touma, he'd just get beaten up and kicked out.
The reason Kamisato reacted the way he did to his situation was because, unlike Touma, Kamisato doesn't have any of the negative aspects of being a harem protag. He doesn't get insulted, criticized, bitten, punched, electrified, or anything of the sort. He didn't get his brain cells fried by a magic feather. He probably didn't have to get blown with a hundred thousand volts of electricity by the very person he was trying to save. He didn't beaten up by his friend. There was no balancer for Kamisato, nothing to serve as a counterweight for his "fortune".
>>133632236
I'm not a hero. Rather, I'm not somebody with heroic ideals of saving people for the greater good like a hero. I just try to help people save themselves, since they're the only ones who can do it. And, to be entirely truthful, I only do it because I want to.
>>133632436
Also, Kamijou's harem isn't anywhere near as blatant as Kamisato's. Not a single member of Touma's harem has admitted anything to him. More often than not, he's actually led to believe that he's not all that well-liked at all.
>mfw Touma-senpai lectures a filthy newfag on saving little grills
>>133632607
I wouldn't take it that far, I don't think Touma's so thick he doesn't know he's well liked, I just don't think he knows to what extent some of the girls like him. Take Mikoto, he's got no clue how much she likes him, but he's got a feeling they're friends.
>>133632607
>>133632436
I'm fairly sure the shitposter meant that anons were the cocksuckers. You should probably just ignore him.
>>133632631
>tfw Listen, rookie
>>133631154
I found a fifteen year old kid lost out in the storm today on my way back from class, somehow managed to get her inside my dorm so she's gonna just spend a couple nights here while she figures shit out.
Apparently, she decided to clean my half of the dorm while I was grabbing dinner, and coerced my roommate into letting her play Fallout 4 on his computer. He's a bit wigged out by all this, and I don't blame him, but he'll put up with it.
Haven't had to punch anybody yet, might have normbhfbgvfsdawrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
What kinds of interesting hells do you think Touma went through aside from the hell of panties?
>>133632920
Hummus world a best
>>133625610
>Saving girls on a daily basis is normal for Touma
>He doesn't consider himself heroic, cause dunno he'd need to save the whole city on a daily basis?
Dude protected AC against Vento, England against a rampaging princess and ended WW3. I'm seriously wondering what a hero is in his world.
Thinking about it, he's similiar to the level 5s in that regard. They never call esper abilities special either.
>>133633207
He said so to Accelerator. Heroes are unnecessary.
>>133633207
In Touma's eyes, the concept of "heroes" is superfluous and unnecessary. Anyone can be a hero if they just have the will to step up. That's why, to Touma, there is no difference between a "hero" and a "normal person". To him, everyone has the capacity to become a hero. That's why, from his viewpoint, nothing he does is anything special.
Why didn't she grow the cannibalism fruit in her uterus?
>>133633333
checked
>>133633333
She was hoping to have Touma take her virginity before she met her end.
>>133633377
fuck off
>>133633207
Things like heroes are unnecessary. Accelerator had this illusion that only those special entities called heroes can save people. Accelerator doesn't think of himself as worthy enough to save anyone after everything he's done. Touma thinks that's bullshit since for Touma, anyone can stand and protect someone else no matter your past or how weak you are. The special entity hero isn't needed because everyone can be one.
>>133633333
This shit again. checked
You people are being too hard on Kamisato. He probably didn't seriously expect Patricia to be left as an empty shell if Sample Shoggoth was left alone. The first thing he stated, with Patricia being able to eventually control it, was probably what he gave the highest probability of happening. After all, adding another super powered girl to his harem is business as usual for him.
So he wasn't giving up on saving Patricia, he was giving up and trying to prevent her from becoming part of his harem. For someone who gives up that easily, it's no wonder he has such a large harem.
blessing this thread
I wonder how or who's going to kill doge?
Is no one going to comment on the fact that Gemstones come from aliens?
>>133635437
We don't know if that's true
>>133631905
I thought she was trying to upload her consciousness into the Imaginary Numbers District or something
>>133635468
She wanted to go beyond that.
>>133633599
Nice.
>a normal highschool boy lecturing q new normal highschool boy on saving people the fucking normal way.
i cant take this
this is too much for me
>>133635437
Fucking martians
I told you they were up to something
>>133636225
touma fighting on mars when?
>>133636259
When it's revealed that the Windowless Building is just a big rocket.
>>133636259
I rather have Super Hamazura on a gundam or Accel on gatorade
I can't imagine Touma punching a nanobot colony
>>133629630
You are a bitter little adolescent that confuses realism with pessimism Kamisato. Becoming a little bitch like you is not development.
>>133630172
Aqua.
Saten is a normal lv 0 that just so happens to have an innate understanding of the difference between magical and esper based technologies while knowing the most of Crowley's keikaku of anyone else in the series other than Crowley.
>>133630557
Most people simply never got the chance.
>>133636681
>implying she doesn't have a deeper understanding of the keikaku than Aleister himself
>implying she and Blau are not the final bosses
>>133636856
>Aleister and Aiwass go down to Touma and Accel
>Aogami appears suddenly
>Since when were you under the impression that Aleister was the one who pulled the strings, kami-yan?
>>133636259
Soon:
>Volume 48: Kamijou Touma and the Terraforming of Mars, Chapter 4 (where the mobile card version of Innocentius supposedly comes from)
>>133637108
reminds me of that parody of touDaD and TouMan saving a girl then finds out it was aogami all along.
Lucky us there is still the Secret Magic god of Acadamy City:
>(It’s been a month since Izanami-chan left to go train to be a baker. The calm has >been nice, but that’s a long time to be alone…)
>>133637911
>touDaD
Hey why has Toudad the same woman power than Kamisato and kamijou?
>>133637959
Harem powers are a frightening thing. He almost accidentally and unknowingly keked Tabigake if not for Shiina's presence.
>>133638070
Does she have an anti-Kamijou factor like Fukiyose?
>>133631917
Still 10/10 copypasta
>>133638433
It really is, I always die at the
>You are nothing to me but just another nun.
>>133638265
Probably, which is why Touma will either end up dead or with Fukiyose.
Can someone do me a solid and link me to a rehost of the first set of light novels?
>>133638966
madokami
>>133638750
>Fukiyose
This will be Hell on Earth, especially if Index is still under his care.
>>133626708
Goddammit /a/
>#6 probably saved more people than Touma, Accel, Shiage, Guts and Kamisato combined. Without leaving his room.
Next vol all of Touma's harmette's will start to fall for Kamisato. When Index and Othinus decides to live with him, Touma breaks.
>>133639060
Cheers dude, didn't think of that
>>133630381
>But it IS forced considering she shows up when she shouldn't
This is just you not wanting her to appear in the story at all. She lives in AC, so she has every right to be involved in anything that happens there.
>I'll ask anyone to help me!
Fucking hypocrite, in NT13 nianng niang niang offered hlp to stop HP and declined
> He had unilaterally defined him as something to be defeated.
>unilaterally
Actually he was influenced by Mikoto during the whole chase.
>>133626742
Touma failed.
Nepthys had to wipe his ass sacrificing herself.
>>133639363
>niang niang offered hlp to stop HP
And that help would fuck up the world. She admitted that.
>>133639363
Didn't she say the fight would destroy all of japan?
>>133639363
>Ok Touma
>We could let you handle it
>Or you ask us for help and we have DBZ style fight that will fuck up half of the world
>Your choice
>>133639529
>the fight would destroy all of japan
Two birds with one stone.
>>133639102
Nah Index will fuck off
>>133630769
Academy City is still 20 years ahead of the rest of the world, after all. Shit must've been some elementary school level knowledge.
>>133639486
Help != solving the problem
nian niang solving it would fuck up the city or world.
Asking help/assistance didn't imply that.
So was Othinus on his should during the whole fight? Touma headbutting Kamisato must've been quite scary then.
>>133639038
othinus doujin when
>>133640353
shoulder
>>133628503
>badly drawn legs
>best
>>133640373
Right after Index 3.
>>133640353
She was probably inside his clothes
>>133628934
But that's only for the Birdway sisters problem. Touma still has to deal with this newfag normal highschool boy going after his pocket fairy and thick mummy.
Face it guys Touma is closing his eyes right now.
By choosing the third option of Both he is automatically opening the doors for a third tragedy.
And the way this chapter goes Touma winning one sided is an I'll omen.
>>133640874
Everything in Touma's life is an ill omen
Reminder that Touma is like Aleister or Laura:
>“…You need to be careful from now on. What you hold is not good or evil. You hold the >seeds to a great wave that cannot be described in those terms. Perhaps it is the same
>thing that was once brought to bloom by the man who built up a city of steel and
>electricity or the woman who smiles thinly in the depths of an old cathedral.
>>133630353
>relationship
>posts Index gag routine
>>133639264
She lives in School Hard.
She chooses to wander around 7th district looking for his dick.
>>133640646
Sure is convenient being a fairy
In which way is Kamisato solving anything.
The MG still exist therefore you simply have to be Magicily summoned.
>>133641332
Her dorm is in district 7
She doesn't live in the School Garden
>>133630386
It's hilarious because spoilers says Kamisato beaten Touma down.
Meaning Touma fucked up on his logic/method so Kamisato had to teach Touma how to live his life correctly.
Also the fist vs fist illustration page number indicates it has yet to happen.
>>133630415
Index's hunger and Mikoto's tsun is repetitive. Not reinforcement.
Why didn't Mikoto shoot a coin at Niang Niang? Niang couldn't have been that strong she was just a little girl.
>>133641408
The spoilers have said many different things. What we know for sure is Touma loses. I think he beats Kamisato down, only for Kamisato to say "fuck off" and beat him with a single hit, but I can't say for sure.
Just caught up. Jesus fucking Christ, Kamisato is such an insufferable whiny fucking faggot.
>>133641478
Mikoto doesn't go for the kill.
>>133641495
If Kamisato does get pummeled and then suddenly says "fuck off with your speeches" it will be so satisfying.
>>133641478
Bullshit Magic. Also she already saw HP deflecting her Railgun and possibly thought it wouldn't work on the no-pan vampire zombie.
>>133641533
Don't you mean Touma?
Let's be honest here that Touma got "lucky" that he had the sudden realization of how to save Patricia.
Kamisato was trying to get them more time, and more time is always good.
It's not like he'd instantly try to get the parasite out and hook her up to a machine.
>>133641664
Touma isn't bitching and complaining about people liking him and wanting to be around him
>>133641664
>that he had the sudden realization of how to save Patricia.
That was near Kamisato all this time. Maybe if he had studied biology instead of complaining.
>>133641664
>BAWWWWWWWWW WHY DO GIRLS LIKE ME THIS WORLD ISNT FAIR FUCK MAGIC GODS EVEN THOUGH I CAN HELP PEOPLE NOW BAWWWWWWWW
>>133641664
anon, Touna is always smart in these type of situations
>>133641724
Neither is Kamisato. He's saying he's not fine with it because he thinks it's all fake. Can you imagine the stress of believing that every nice thing that has happened to you is fake
>>133641664
>Let's be honest here that Touma got "lucky" that he had the sudden realization of how to save Patricia.
Not really, same realization happened when Touma fought Fiamma. Once he suppressed IT he suddenly figured out how to counter Fiamma. Its nothing new.
>>133641764
That's a very shitty and misleading way to sum up his problems
>>133641764
>>133641724
>What? That guy is ANGRY that some unrelated, selfish fucks are doing a form of MIND FUCKING CONTROL on a fuckload of girls to "repay" me for the power they gave me? HOW DARE THIS GUY GET ANGRY? ALSO, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT THOSE -HUNDRED CUTE GIRLS- DIDN'T ALREADY LIKE THIS AVERAGE HIGHSCHOOL BOY? HE'S ALSO WRONG TO BE MAD AT THE FACT THAT THEY WERE NORMAL PEOPLE THAT GOT POWERS AND SHIT AND FORCEFULLY PUSHED INTO A DANGEROUS SITUATION. I'M GONNA PUNCH HIM
>>133641850
It not being a new thing doesn't disprove it was Touma getting lucky
>>133641807
>>133641764
It's more than 100 girls.
Touma saying that
>M-maybe they already liked you and were only given a push!
Was a really, really shitty excuse that wouldn't fly if someone else said the same to him.
>>133641664
Anon, you don't get "lucky" thinking of something
>>133641957
He got lucky that the -TWO- girls that he knew their powers about were suddenly the two girls, out of 100, with the powers that could solve the situation.
So yes, that was being lucky.
>>133641910
The point is when he's cornered he shows his true strength. It has happened time and time again.
>>133641944
Touma was obvioulsy talking about the ones who already knew Kamisato, not all of them.
>>133641999
He could solve with Kakine beetle too if those girls weren't around.
>>133641944
This. Everyone is slobbering all over Touma's cock and saying 'based TouMAN" and "wow BTFO what a beat down" when Touma's arguments are weak and he hasn't beat down anyone at all. Neither guy has really BTFO anyone
>>133642009
It still wouldn't change the fact that the Magic Gods brainwashed 98 girls.
>>133642042
Girls that Kamisato had never even met before? Calling them brainwashed just on that is a pretty weak argument.
>>133639102
>>133639833
>forgetting OT4 and Daihasesai made a parallel between Shiina and Index.
>>133638070
There is a doujin where Shiina arrived late and TouDaD effectively keks Tabigake.
And another one during Angel Fall where Touma arrived late to stop TouDaD who keks Index from him.
When do we find out that laura brainwashed the girls?
>>133642034
Exactly.
Look, I really really enjoy Touma.
But he was really "weak" in his arguments this volume, Kamisato wasn't really in the wrong except that he should have thought a little more before settling for the answer he got.
Aside that Touma was 90% wrong about the shit he tried to punch into Kamisato.
>>133642042
>that the Magic Gods brainwashed 98 girls.
Doesn´t work that way if they are basically destiny.
Or the gears of the world
>>133642075
They are literally OBSESSED with Kamisato, truly in love with him.
And that happened in a matter of days.
DAYS.
He isn't a super-beautiful model.
He's a normal highschool boy, so come the fuck on m8.
>>133642142
When they can change destiny itself, and humans have to follow that destiny, that's basically brainwashing people.
That's like the magic gods making Hitler suddenly jews.
>>133642042
Weird, I thought the magic gods wasn't aware of Kamisato existence until he started wiping them out.
>>133642153
>He's a normal highschool boy
That's what he's telling himself because he has no confidence.
>>133642184
They weren't. They probably had no idea what the fuck Kamisato was talking about.
>>133642105
>Aside that Touma was 90% wrong about the shit he tried to punch into Kamisato.
So it´s right to ignore the feelings of your friends just because?
>>133642153
He's clearly not unless you're using Touma's definition, which is guaranteed to come with a harem.
>>133642184
>>133642219
Npehtthys admitted that they were the reason for WR to appear unknowingly to them.
Them trying to "compensate" Kamisato with a harem also came without them knowing.
>>133642184
They weren't, but magic god's do shit unconsciously as stated by PH. I think back when they tried to nerf themselves, they specifically turned off their reality warping so it wouldn't be having every time they had a thought. WR was created just because they lost faith in IB for a moment.
>>133641999
He used the information he had at hand, like always
He used them because he knew them if he had knew the powers of all of them he would have come with a different, maybe even better, plan
Touma is pretty good at keikakus. This is nothing new
>>133642181
>When they can change destiny itself, and humans have to follow that destiny,
Not if they are the gears of the world what they explicitly are.
Because that´s what gods do.
If it's true that Touma starts giving a bullshit speech and begins the fight by beating the shit out of him only for Kamisato to suddenly say "Fuck your, your speech is bullshit and I'm not buying it" and win with one hit it will be extremely satisfying and be the best "Touma is bullshit" scene to date.
>>133642226
Of course not.
But it's obvious at least a BUNCH of his harem got into it because of the Magic Gods intervention.
Just imagine him reciprocating his harem's feelings, just for some reason the Magic Gods influence to stop working?
Dozens of girls getting horrified at him that he "took advantage" of them
>How come you didn't notice anything strange? We met only a few days ago, and there were 100 girls after you! You really thought that was because of your charm? What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>133642329
It already ended m8. Touma got his Deus Ex Machina answer.
Index is shit and worst girl but she was kinda cool this time.
>>133642353
How is that the full fight?
>>133642042
Or MAYBE the girls were attracted to him because he fucking helped them and was capable of doing shit thanks to WR. His ACTIONS made grills fall for him, not some fucking mindcontroling boogyman shit that's purely conjecture on Kamisato's part with absolutely no basis.
Magic Gods are responsible for WR, and thats it. Nowhere does it say it mindfucks people innately. You are mixing correlation with causation. Hell, Touma doesn't have every single grill drooling over his cock automatically. You dont see Maika or Saten slobbering over him by him just being their presence. It's his actions that eventually makes them fall for him.
>>133642386
Because what's left now is doge interrupting in the whole mess
>502
>68
kek
>>133641495
How do you beat touma in single hit? He was beaten into bloody pulp by that saint in NT10 and still managed to beat thor afterwards
>>133642383
Not for Touma.
>>133642042
>>133642476
Or, we can't tell either way, because we only have the speculation of two characters with limited knowledge to go off of.
Unless we get a flashback, it's not as if we can say for certain who's right.
>>133642527
WR'ed
>>133642484
The fight is not over though.
And Doge getting rekt was off screen.
>>133642334
>at least a BUNCH of his harem got into it because of Destiny.
Sounds kinder.Don´t forget that Kamisato had something which draw WR into him.
He is a hero.Girls like heros.
>>133642552
Yeah I thought it was obvious the fight wasn't over. Fuck I'm not even sure it completely sure it's begun. That guy is just bullshitting
>>133641664
>more time
Are you serious or did you just not get what they were arguing about? Work smarter, not harder. He cut off certain possibilities without even making the best use of the time because of his personality. No matter how much time he gets, his personality defect is still there so the choices that he makes will always be tainted by it even in the future. He will foreclose certain options because his personality makes him blind to them. Unless his own personal feelings have been sorted out, he will continue being like that.
He didn't even consult with Leivinia and already thought he knew what's best so he brought in Patricia near Leivinia for them to fight. It's his personality defect that led to choosing that method out of all possible methods that was wrong. This is what Touma's calling him out for. They both have equally uncertain methods but Kamisato made his without considering other options and it wasn't because of "lack of time."
If Kamisato somehow finds a better method after considering all the options and the feelings of both sisters, then Touma would go along with it. But he didn't, he made his decision being limited by his bias.
>>133642153
How do you even save 100 girls in one month?
>>133642660
More than one at once. Touma himself has had to endure Kamisato spewing shit the entire evening of the day he fought High Priest.
>>133642538
But it didnt work on him when they first met.
>>133642527
Hell, even Double Saint Aqcua had to hit him more than once, unless I'm remembering wrong.
>>133642511
Good discussion.
>>133642691
He just needs a bit of doubt.
If Touma has disappeared due to WR or some other weird thing, what's to stop him from killing Othinus? Or is Othinus gone too because she was with him? If she's not, either she's 100% going to die or Kamisato has to be distracted by someone else. Who?
This is of course assuming that happens.
>>133642656
Nice try Toumafag.
>>133643005
But he's right
>>133643005
You're not really that stupid, are you?
>>133642660
I bet he got like half of them from a circus or something.
>>133643005
Here I was waiting for the counter argument. I tried to come to an understanding but I know when to quit. I'm out.
>>133643005
Try harder, Rookie.
>>133638750
He'll end up upside down in a tube keikakuing. Kamisato will be his Laura.
>>133643475
>Touma gets his own tube next to Aleister
Fukou da
Protagonist Ranking: Accelerator > Kamisato > Touma > Shiage
>>133626410
It feels like Aureolus case all over again, except Touma has accumulated experience and didn't UNLEASH THE KRAK- KRAK-KON.
>>133626415
It was enjoyable, reminds of Touma tablehopping Othinus attacks except normal af
>>133626630
Except Kamisato is a stubborn idiot, I would know because I'm similar to him and at end of the day I wish for abnormal world in some way, though being overwhelmed by it would be shocking at first, he'll get used to it or flat out lose the poweror die somehow, in worst case
>>133626708
>he weaponized Frodo
Nigga...
>>133626969
Elaborate, the scenes with Will were indulging his selfishness to the max, up to the point of almost successfully reaching out to Othinus the first time.
>>133627070
Doesn't take a genius to figure out, Kamachi.exe is improving as a writer I'd say. Gives me good old Hoshi no Samidare tier of consequential style, this thing for instance and the whole High Priest race and the victims side-story.
>>133627220
He probably has to lay his shadow on the target's shadow to have an effect. She's rather small so the odds of success seem low.
>>133627325
It's like comparing Shirou and Shiki, one's wild and idealistic and the other's reserved and content, though yeah, Touma's exceedingly wild, but it's exactly because of that fact that people like him, he's like a priest that can do amazing lip service, but it doesn't end at that, he can act as well.
He seems to have pretty good connections with Misaka and Othinus thus far, though Misaka's one was behind until High Priest volume. I'd go as far to say that she's always gonna be behind due to the fact she's a dreamer and Touma is proactive beyond words, while Othinus always catches up to him and beyond.It'd be interesting to see how well he'd do with people if he went full SHINING BREAKER to bring KAGAKU SEKAI out. He's quite addicted to heroism, really makes me wonder what'd happen.
>>133628558
KIH-KUCKEHKI-KUCKEKUKEKIKUKAKAKAKA
You guys are forgetting the easiest and simplest way that Touma and Othinus could get World rejected. Not even the mot rabid, autistic, defending-the-character-for-100-post Toumafag or shipper can deny this could happen.
>I want to protect Othinus and live happily with her
>I'm kinda enjoying fighting this guy who wants yo kill her and if he didn't exist I wouldn't be enjoying this fight
>I want to live peacefully forever with Touma
>I sure do like watching him fight
>>133643681
>autism
>>133643680
>kamisato
>protagonist
Wouldn't Othinus and Touma getting WRed end up in the same world?
>>133643809
Probably
>>133643809
Maybe they would end up on a bakery in Denmark
>>133642181
Isn't that exactly the sort of reason they wanted Touma as a scorekeeper in the first place? I bet the reason Kamisato erased Touma at the end was because he realized it was Touma's "fault." so he lashes out like a little bitch.
>>133643809
Sounds counterproductive as they'd just keep each other from immersing in the fake world too much and work together to find a way to go back
>>133643680
Accelerator's been out of spotlight for a good while, he feels almost like secondary character again. When he was relevant to the story for more than short appearances in Vs The World, Agitate Halation arcs between NT beginning again? Kakine fight showed some stuff about him, but he feels neglected as heck, Hamazura even more so, St. Germain event was weak pat on his shoulder for it. And Kamisato, he's interesting, more easy to relate to, but less surprising as well. I'd have 2 rankings in mind then, one for how the story fleshes them out and second, how I prefer them.
In order mentioned previously:
Touma > Accelerator > Shiage > Kamisato
Accelerator > Touma >= Kamisato > Shiage
>>133643719
>no fun allowed
go to reddit or some place other if you want 100% elitism and shit
>>133643987
I like loli butt too anon.
>>133643987
I want more Accelerator soon too. I feel like he's been held off because we are getting close to the end and he will kick off the end
>>133644064
He's not wrong, answering to half the thread at once this late
Othinus a Best
Hype for tonight's translations
My favorite part of every thread is the occasional Othinus dump when the thread is about to die
Translations soon
>>133644467
It's honestly odd how every thread manages to end up being about Othinus, positive or negative, after it hits the bump limit are they the only ones who stick around for the whole thread?
More Othi-Chan.
>>133644532
I just need to know what's going on with Neph and if Touma does get WR'd or not. It'll do a lot to define what NT15 will be about
>>133644581
This.
>>133644535
Pretty much.
>>133644581
It would be nice if other character get more focus rather than Touma. So Touma getting WR'd would be neat.
>>133644581
Yeah once we know that N15 speculation can begin until we get our first official hints
>>133644581
My thoughts exactly
>>133644666
As if you don't already know what's going to happen
>>133644720
We don't though
>>133644753
It's a joke about his post number
>>133644795
Oh shit I didn't even see my post number
I'm more hype about confirming a few things and starting NT15 speculations than anything
Official Raildex girl tier incoming:
GODDESS TIER
Othinus
Orsola
Will-tan
Itsuwa
Misaki
TOP TIER
Seria
WORST
Kanzaki
Kongou
10077
Fukiyose
10032
HIGH TIER
Last Order
Dolly
Himegami
Yomikawa
Laura
Kongou
Awaki
Saten
Misuzu
Nephtys
MID TIER
Mikoto
Sasha
Saiai
Birdway
Mugino
Arisa
Fremea
LOW TIER
Lessar
Vento
Uiharu
Rikou
Umidori
Komoe
SHIT TIER
Index
Oriana
Kuroko
Hyouka
Angelene
Patricia
Niang Niang
WORSE THAN SHIT TIER
Frenda
Sherry
Haruue
Banri
All of Kamisato's harem
Shit might get real in NT15 depending on how this ends
Soon
>>133644961
If we actually end up having a "save Touma" arc I'd be pretty hyped
>>133645013
Yeah me too
>>133644881
Needs some fixing here and there, but overall pretty good.
Don't care about Touma but a save Touma arc means everyone else gets the spotlight so that's awesome
>>133645044
Othinus claiming Neph is unnecessarily large and thus implying she was a good size has to be one of my favorite comedy lines
NT15 speculating threads will be great
>>133645165
Nice art
>>133645092
I'm still hoping for a Leivinia-Othinus-Index team up if that happens.
>>133645165
Considering Nepthtits is gone and she's presumably still around, being 15cm tall sounds pretty good.
>>133645231
Maybe
>>133644881
1/10
>>133645231
And then Othinus and Index will fuse finally?
>>133645278
More like 0/10
>>133645278
>>133645302
Let me guess, Frendafags?
