Why didn't this catch on like Madoka did?
It had a slower beginning but arguably better payoff.
>>133137917
Madoka had big names on it, plus SHAFT.
Because Madoka was actually good and this show wasn't
>>133137917
It got around 9k sales, in terms of an anime expected to sell 3-4k at most that's nothing to be ashamed of. Also it's Gokumi's best-selling work ever.
In terms of why it didn't catch on in America is at least partly because mahou shoujo isn't actually very popular in America (Madoka is a massive exception).
Karin best girl
>>133137917
Madoka took 3 episodes to hit stride and knew what ut wanted to be arguably from episode 1 with the OP.
Yuki Yuna went from typical mahou to SOL to drama over 10 episodes and didnt have a over all theme or feeling in the same way Madoka did. It was good, but not in the same way.
>>133137917
If Togo won it would had more impact.
>>133137917
Because retards keep calling it a Madoka rip-off even though it has nothing to do with it.
>>133139756
If it were all a skit for the cultural festival it would've been AOTD
>>133139829
Nah, they could have made the show bigger if they didn't turn back from bad end. I like happy ending but it kinda felt forced there.
>>133140016
You can't sell VNs of dead girls, anon.
Also have you read Sonoko After?
>>133140074
I read it all. Kinda funny they left the girls alive but continue with prequel novels instead doing s2. At least they have those games and 4komas.
>>133137917
>arguably better payoff.
Yeah. Arguably. Eg. it was shit from start to finish.
>>133139384
this
Madoka was special at the time. There was the unification of SHAFT and urobutcher, the hidamari designs, and the Kalafina OST
It pretty much hit anons hard because of all that, on top of the story element with Kyubey being a little bitch.
Yuki Yuna was a great show and has many manga and LNs still going but its not Madoka for OSTs, the designs were great but they werent hidamari which was a huge draw for anons, and though the show had its dark moments it wasn't nearly as dark as Madoka.
Combine that with Gen'ei basically being dark as fuck with cutesy designs and you begin to understand. Madoka worked as well as it did because of the combination of lots of great work strung together. You could easily call it the top of the industry in every respect. There was no way to replicate that, only imitate it.
That and the witch runes and the way the witches were represented was part of the intrigue. Not to mention the promo materials that sold it as hidamari mahou shoujo and so many anons not knowing who urobutcher was before madoka and getting spoiled on him.
s2 never ever
>>133137917
>It had a slower beginning but arguably better payoff.
>everyone gets magically healed
at least Madoka stayed fucking dead
>>133140208
Gen'ei got hit hard as madoka "clone". It was ok show that didn't deserve all the hate but it aired too early with Madoka still being fresh.
>>133137917
Because Madoka didn't ended with asspull.
>>133140277
And the world is still fire. Being healed isn't that relevant compared to how fucked the world is.
>>133140277
No one stayed dead in Madoka.
>>133137917
It was good and all, but when a fledgling series decides that "that's it anime fags, you won't be able to keep up with the title anymore because we are continuing the franchise in different media instead", then the anime otaku will suddenly lose interest in it.
Yuuki Yuuna was still not big enough to do this, and now I'm upset with it too for never being able to know what's gonna happen after it.
>>133140196
S2 is basically guaranteed with all the sequel hooks and with how well it did, plus they have at least 2 announcements on the way which are secret. I feel like the prequels are mostly to keep series momentum while Gokumi finishes what's on their plate before tackling S2. I just hope that they don't bankrupt themselves first with Lance n' Masque's inevitable flop.
And the 4komas are gold
>>133140373
I just hope s2 don't fuck it up.
>>133140208
>not Madoka for OSTs
I'd say that MONACA can and did definitely match Madoka in terms of OST, they did the soundtrack for fucking Nier.
>wasn't nearly as dark as Madoka
I think that I'd rather witch out and die than go through what Sonoko did.
Also Gen'ei was hot garbage
Yuuki Yuna looked hideous and had garbage characters and story. It would be a wonder it was a successful as it was if Japan didn't have such shit taste
>>133137917
>arguably better payoff.
I'd like to see anyone attempt to make that argument.
>>133140016
>They could have made the show bigger by killing the emotional payload it spent the whole series preparing
If you say so, anon.
>>133140362
Rebellion is not canon.
>>133137917
>Why didn't this catch on like Madoka did?
Becuase it's actually good.
>>133140458
I disagree on both accounts and Sonoko was dark as shit but that was rather late in the show.
>Also Gen'ei was hot garbage
You shut you're snide ass mouth.
>>133140589
>I'd like to see anyone attempt to make that argument.
Well madoka you went in expecting her to become the magical girl rather quickly. When it became clearer that it wasn't going to happen, past the Homu episode it seemed almost anticlimatic. While she did turn into a god and such, most of that episode was monologue telling homu she's a bitch and everything is fine.
Yuki Yuuna and GRIT YOUR TEETH was just plain hilarious. Beyond that and the human bean part I think it was overall a better ending because you weren't expecting things to end as well as they did and there were some mysteries left.
If madoka ended on the Homu reveal episode then I would agree it was better, but I think that the overall story of Yuki built towards a stronger ending. Plus all that speculah about Yuna being true and such.
>>133140813
too bad it is
>>133137917
It did catch on though, nothing monumental (As in, beloved by normalfags and other scum) like Madoka but a pretty good popularity for a mahou shoujo show.
>>133137917
something something serie, something something ending
>>133140373
> Lance n' Masque's inevitable flop.
It is good, but the time for anime like that are long gone
>>133137917
What the fuck you are talking about anon?
Most mahou shoujo flops terribly and gets hate, people expect a mahou shoujo show to "break the cliche" despite the fact that we rarely have any normal, not sentai influenced, mahou shoujo anymore.
Just the fact Yuyuyu ended up being the best seller of the studio and one of the best results of the producer should be more than enough for you. Nothing is going to hit casuals like Madoka did and thanks god for that, look at the cancer that unleashed upon our poor genre.
>Inb4 prism nana makes it fucked all over again
>>133139633
Right terminal, wrong girl.
>>133140373
>LnM
They should have known better than to make anything with a loli protagonist, after turning lolicon away with what they did to Saki.
>>133140729
They should have prepared that payload better then cause deus ex machina endings are pretty bad writing.
>>133140911
Genei was absolute trash
The art was DA teir
>hey were actually back
That felt unnatural
The story felt like it was wobblyI did enjoy watching it, but I didn't like it in the end
>>133141379
But that's what otaku want.
And that's what I wanted too. Not everyone wants edgy tragedy, if the girls are this loveable, the only good choice is to keep them alive.
Is there anything more precious than a madokasual talking about mahou shoujo?
Cheap bait OP by the way man, it impresses me anons are failing for it.
>>133141543
I'm ok with this happy ending too, just won't pretend it wasn't bullshit. They could have prepared it better with some foreshadowing.
It kinda felt like they originally planned bad end but it got more popular than expected so they wanted to milk it more.
>>133141657
Didn't you know? Every show in last 20 years was Madoka clone That includes Nanoha too.
>>133141657
Please don't even try to bring Nanoha here.
That is the worst shit a franchise could have gone, and catered in to casuals much more than Madoka ever did.
>>133141456
shit didn't even have a proper ending
>>133141744
>Implying the bible wasn't a madoka clone for fujos
Yuuki Yuuna is my hero! The most cute and cool and perfect hero, I love her!
>>133142068
Tougou pls calm down
>>133140373
>S2 is basically guaranteed with all the sequel hooks
>>133142172
Found the anime only watcher.
>>133141761
What?
>>133140911
>If madoka ended on the Homu reveal episode then I would agree it was better
What?
The Homu reveal was only partway through the story. And it was so rushed that it wasn't even that great, anyway.
And you and I have very different opinions concerning the end of YYY, which in my opinion was nothing short of a cop out.
>>133137917
It was decent at best until the ending fucked it up beyond saving. To compare it to Madoka is insulting to the latter.
>>133142172
You shouldn't talk about things you don't know anon, even if that is the default method of your fanbase
>>133137917
YuYu was great but Madoka was honestly better.
>>133139829
I'm surprised people still have the unfinished version of the ending chart.
>>133140373
>Lance n' Masque
What were they even thinking?
Male MC. Disney horse.
It was 100% certain to flop horribly.
>>133141657
Can't wait for the fourth Madoka season in 2022.
>>133141657
What is this picture even supposed to show?
Madoka powerlevels are like 1000000000 higher than Nanoha's after the finale and movies. It also became like 10 times more popular and made 10 times more money.
Nanoha A's was great. Then SS fucked up everything. Force was a fucking joke that makes a generic harem LN look good in comparison. Vivid anime was a complete disaster.
Nanoha is an example of great franchise with great potential going to complete shit.
>>133137917
>No Edgy stuff, maybe dark, but no merelly edgy
>No pretentious stuff to make the watcher feel more intelligent
>It came from a studio that wasn't famous enough as SHAFT
>The PV was a complete misleading
>The Payoff came if you give attention to the little details, it hadn't a infodump in the very and, that's why many people feel disappointing with the ending
>>133142750
I'm saying that Madoka has zero respect with anyone but casual fans of the genre
>>133142878
Cool story newfag. I'm a mahou shojo fan for over 20 years. Watched SM back when it was originally running. Madoka is easily one of the best series in the genre. Only butthurt retards disagree.
>>133142804
Damn. All of those except SHAFT one are wrong.
> but no merelly edgy
Tougo trying to kill herself and then everyone else??
>no pretentious stuff to make the watcher feel more intelligent
Did you miss the whole "its actually a conspiracy" plot?
>The PV was a complete misleading
And? Did you see Madoka PVs?
>The Payoff came if you give attention to the little details, it hadn't a infodump in the very and, that's why many people feel disappointing with the ending
You keep telling yourself that. And no, it is wrong.
>>133142750
It means that Nanoha is better series than Madoka. Well at least 2 series and movies. Rest is utter shit.
>>133142878
This statement is obviously false and anyone who knows anything about anime fans in Japan or the US would instantly recognize that. Obviously means nothing to a group as clueless as /a/ but bullshit should be called out
>>133140323
>Not paying attention and waiting for a shitty infodump
>>133143017
Tougo trying to kill herself was bit edgy, but she was trying to save her friends from suffering so the end wasn't really edgy.
>>133143021
Nanoha has better action and great setting with a lot of potential (that was never used and then ruined).
Madoka has better everything else.
Do you think it's possible to have a whole YuYuYu thread without mentioning Madoka?
>>133143159
about as possible as a Symphogear thread without mentioning YuYuYu
>>133143159
No.
>why did the ripoff not do as well as the original did?
Really?
inb4 "its not a ripoff" denial again
>>133143017
If you actually think that plot exists it means you didn't pay attention to the little details.
>>133143159
About as possible as Rahxephon thread without mentioning NGE.
>>133143159
It's impossible to have any mahou shoujo discussion without Madoka anymore. Even shows that aren't even related like Wixoss can get some Madoka shit cause of girls suffering.
>>133139770
Like clockwork.
>>133143159
>is it possible to have anime thread without mentioning anime it ripped off
The series was a disappointment to every Grinch watching.
>>133143221
Madoka is a ripoff of Qualia though.
![[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 07 [720p].mkv_snapshot_11.28_[2015.07.25_15.24.07].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LLiSMkB.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 07 [720p].mkv_snapshot_11.28_[2015.07.25_15.24.07].jpg")
who /megalopolis/ here
>Retards comparing YuYuYu with EDGEoka Magica instead of Heart Catch PreCure
Why is this permitted?
>>133142750
Nanoha is a rare example of a franchise that is still alive after more than a decade. Let's see what will happen to Madoka in the 2020s.
>>133143159
Do you think it's possible to have a whole RahXephon thread without mentioning Evangelion?
>>133140323
Look like you can't into foreshadowing. 2deep4u
Honestly I think they decided against having the bad ending at the very last minute. You got all the foreshadowing that the organization who made the hero app were bad and were up to something and then at the very end of the show out of no where it was "Oh wait they were good guys the entire time and were helping to improve the situation". They just sort of threw all the foreshadowing out the window.
>>133143367
Ok. Englighen me. What foreshadowed the ending? Other than "power of friendship"?
I tried this drink called Root Beer a while ago and honestly, it was hard to really enjoy it because it was such a Cola knockoff.
![[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_04.13_[2015.07.23_01.46.07].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/a69J2KD.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_04.13_[2015.07.23_01.46.07].jpg")
DESS DESS DESS
>>133143319
aye Ma'am!
>>133143441
I wouldn't call them good guys either, they're just incompetent, in what part of the end you think they implied they were good guys?
>>133143502
Thats some shit.
At least Gen'ei got the meanings of Tarot right. And it had Were-Luna.
>>133143441
Well, they're supposed TO KEEP THE FUCKING HUMANITY ALIVE, so they're no the bad guys really.
They were doing what they could with what they had in their hands
2deep4 spoonfed faggots
>>133143441
While I agree they planned for bad ending I think Taisha was just bunch of incompetent retards.
Meanwhile, back in 2018...
>>133141658
Someday, we will live in a glorious utopia where people no longer believe that shows are written live week-upon-week.
>>133143453
In the end, all that Togo did basically was a message:
>We don't wanna end like logs
You could see it as a "Ok, calm down girl, there are the things that i took as sacrifices, now put down that gun"
>>133143644
It can mean anything or nothing. Maybe the novels will stop fucking around and finally explain anything.
>>133143749
But muh Shirobako.
![[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 02 [720p].mkv_snapshot_11.48_[2015.07.23_00.26.42].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sVb2cqs.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 02 [720p].mkv_snapshot_11.48_[2015.07.23_00.26.42].jpg")
>>133143518
>>133143327
They were not making more because Homura's VA was pregnant.
Sequel is certain and it will sell like hotcakes.
NoWaYu maybe never ;__;
![[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 02 [720p].mkv_snapshot_17.44_[2015.07.23_00.42.28].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KL0b7b2.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 02 [720p].mkv_snapshot_17.44_[2015.07.23_00.42.28].jpg")
>>133143819
>>133143749
Why shouldn't we believe what is a fact?
>>133143766
>>We don't wanna end like logs
I wonder why it takes someone threatening to kill you to realize this.
At least QB has valid reason to force girls into contract.
>>133143367
Symbolism about the sun and also how you can take back offering (when they talk about food). In their case their bodies were offerings. I meant this warnt really hard to pick up on.
Also Yuuna didn't have flower petals around her at the end and didn't lose her familiar which also give hints that she is in fact still fighting all that time.She could also hear people taking to her real body as well. This could also be why she is dazed and tired during the play because she got back from fighting and collapsed. Time stop for everyone so they wouldn't know why. Also the speech about the lone hero who fights alone to save everyone matches this as well. So it's not a too happy ending, at least for her.
There's more symbolism through flowers etc, but that can be found by googling.
![[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 08 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.36_[2015.07.25_16.32.49].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ht5ulnN.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 08 [720p].mkv_snapshot_18.36_[2015.07.25_16.32.49].jpg")
so flat
>>133143878
Because they were the second generation, one didn't remembered anything, the other one died, and the other one was devoted to serve the Shinju and protecting the world and Togo.
>>133143710
They thought that throwing Udon to Vertex would make them go away
![[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_16.47_[2015.07.25_19.07.50].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Vf8BcsP.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Yuki Yuna wa Yusha de Aru - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_16.47_[2015.07.25_19.07.50].jpg")
GOOD LUCK I'M BEHIND 21 YOSEI
>>133143453
>>133143974
Meant for you.
>>133144034
All I wanted is to see her go on rampage with all that power.
The trolls saying YuYuYu is a Madoka ripoff are worse than the trolls who said Madoka was a Ryuki ripoff.
At least the latter gave (flawed) examples of similarities.
>>133143974
>Also Yuuna didn't have flower petals around her at the end and didn't lose her familiar which also give hints that she is in fact still fighting all that time.She could also hear people taking to her real body as well. This could also be why she is dazed and tired during the play because she got back from fighting and collapsed. Time stop for everyone so they wouldn't know why. Also the speech about the lone hero who fights alone to save everyone matches this as well. So it's not a too happy ending, at least for her.
This theory is about ten months past its sell-by date.
Remember that Madoka is shit aside HCPC
>>133144122
Enjoy your ripoff kid. It'll never reach the level of renown and praise of Madoka.
>>133144182
Evil Magical Girl is a yes.
>>133143872
Jiggles all over
>>133144250
That's a good thing.
>>133143502
>>133144182
>Has a plot
Madoka : Yes
HCPC : No
>>133144250
Yes, because nobody can enjoy both.
>>133144250
Renown maybe, but i can say that YuYuYu fans are less voluble and are more attached to it, so it has more possibility to become a cult series than Madoka. Enjoy your casual shit
>>133143872
>>133143839
>2015
>Nanoha
>Priya
No, anon.
>>133140304
>It was an "ok" show.
No it wasn't. It was a jumbled mess of ideas from people trying to cash in on the "dark mahou shoujo" trend that Madoka Magica restarted. Too many characters that you didn't care really for and an MC that garnered next to no sympathy. Nothing about the show was engaging at all and the ending and the antagonist put up a strange balance between bland and "what the fuck?!".
At least YYY had the right amount of characters, lovely character designs, and battles that were actually interesting, and drama that was engaging. The only things wrongs with YYY were the ending and that Yuki Kajiura and Shaft were not involved. Even then, if it were for that shit ending I would have personally declared it better than Madoka Magica, but that's just my opinion.
>>133144364
>Madoka is bad because it's popular and YuYuYu is good because it isn't
kek fuck off contrarian
>>133144374
>>133144504
I like both shows but have you ever been in a Madoka thread? It's truly the worst kind of cancer
>>133144466
>Yuki Kajiura and Shaft were not involved
It was for better, Kajiura would do the same OST as always.
>>133144466
Kajiura isn't what she used to be; and I'm glad we didn't have those Bauhaus cities and those fucking headtilts.
>>133137917
YuYuYu's ending was fucking terrible. That and the so-so early episodes are why it's not even remotely as popular as Madoka.
>>133144617
I think you're in the wrong thread, someone that actually likes yuyuyu wouldn't call the fans that.
They ruined it with too much suffering that it went overboard and killed it completely.
>>133144565
>>133144671
>responding to homuhater
>>133144689
>>133144567
Madoka fanbase has been killed by tripfags and a couple of anon fucktards. Why the fuck would you go to the threads when there's like a 90% chance that they get overrun by tripfag circlejerk, Homuhater, and anti-crack-kun shitposting non-stop.
>>133144620
Grimdarkfags: missing the point since December 24.
>>133144711
I think you're wrong, but either way the series ending for Madoka was vastly superior to YuYuYu and Rebellion was amazing for discussion. YuYuYu's ending was pure, poorly-executed deus ex machina. It was nonsensical in terms of plot and tone compared to the previous episodes and even if it hasn't been out of fucking nowhere everything after the final fight ended was tensionless and boring.
>>133144693
I wonder if homuhater hate Madara too.
I mean, he is a black haired homolord too.
>>133144871
>If you don't like every happy end existence it must be because you are a grimdark fag
The ending came completely out of nowhere, it was utter shit tier writing, no matter how you look at it.
>>133145172
No, it must be because you're missing the point entirely. Which you are. The series is not about what you want it to be about, it's about conveying the importance of the characters' daily lives. When you're refusing to watch it as a slice-of-life-esque story focused around becoming close to and emphasizing with the characters, of course it doesn't work.
>>133145172
It's not even a happy ending.
Sure the girls get their body functions back, but they don't know if or when they'll get called back to duty, and if they do, they won't have the protection of the fairies or the power of mankai at their disposal.
Even if they never get called back to duty, they know that humanity's basically fucked.
>>133145391
YuYuYu is pretty shit as slice of life since most of the show isn't slice of life. You can make whatever excuses you want, but the ending is shit and was planned by the overwhelming majority for good reason. If Shinju had descended on wires and told the girls that they've been good so it's giving them their body parts back it literally would have been a better ending.
Somebody save me from this.
>>133145640
Assuming you mean "panned", it demonstrably wasn't. Stop declaring yourself the majority.
>>133137917
Because unlike Madoka YY feels empty and uninspired in almost every aspect. Let me give you some examples.
Let's start with the world.
The witches barriers in Madoka are unique for every witch and have a lot of neat details that actually tell you about the personality of the former magical girl that turned into a witch.
Meanwhile the Vertexes in YY are confronted at the same place every time, except for the last battle.
The same goes for the cast.
Madoka has a main cast as well as some side characters that interact with the main characters and thus influence the story, e.g. Kyosuke, Madokas mom, Hitomi, Bebe. Meanwhile YY has only a single important side character: Sonoko.
Madokas cast also developes over the course of the series, some characters die or just lose importance, and new once are introduced, while YYs main cast remains the same for the entire time.
The plot developement is also different.
In YY most important plot points are deus ex machinae that the girls have to overcome. E.g. them losing their bodily functions, or having to fight even more Vertexes after they reached ther original traget. None of this was caused by the behaviour of the characters themselves, it just happened. In Madoka on the other hand Sayakas downfall for example was the result of her own personality and her interactions with other people, as was Kyoukos decision to sacrifice herself to stop Octavia. Overall the plot is driven by an interaction of outside influences and the characters own choices, while in YY we just have outside problem that the characters need to solve.
>>133145678
Every YuYuYu thread for a week after the ending was either "the ending was really underwhelming" complaining or "guys, the ending want that bad" apologetic crap. It wasn't for a month or so after when the overwhelming majority of the viewerbase had moved on to the winter season when people stopped birding about it.
>>133145391
>it's about conveying the importance of the characters' daily lives
Yes, I know that. And that is relevant to the ending being a complete asspull how? I like a lot of SoL btw, doesn't change that this one sucked.
>>133145825
>birding
Fucking autocorrect why are you so shit who the fuck says birding
>>133145787
Dying and losing importance isn't "developing" the YY cast manages to develop without having to take out girls.
>>133145922
>Dying and losing importance isn't "developing"
It is, though. A developement is a directed process of change, which dying and losing importance fullfils. Also I talked about the composition of the cast developing, which is not the case in YY.
>>133146013
Yes.
>>133146006
Isn't the case in YY because the most important part of YY were the characters, not the plot or the world. Something that half this thread doesn't seem to understand.
>>133145825
>Every YuYuYu thread for a week after the ending was either "the ending was really underwhelming" complaining or "guys, the ending want that bad" apologetic crap.
Wow, you mean that at the end of the show, people discussed the ending? And this went on for a whole WEEK? Yeah, that definitely shows that you're in the majority.
>>133146013
The only thing I can agree is that Kyoko never loved Tougou
>>133145787
>Because unlike Madoka YY feels empty and uninspired in almost every aspect. Let me give you some examples.
>Let's start with the world.
The witches barriers in Madoka are unique for every witch and have a lot of neat details that actually tell you about the personality of the former magical girl that turned into a witch.
Meanwhile the Vertexes in YY are confronted at the same place every time, except for the last battle.
Well, the vertex are merely tools of a single god. Why they should have their own wolrd?
>The same goes for the cast.
Madoka has a main cast as well as some side characters that interact with the main characters and thus influence the story, e.g. Kyosuke, Madokas mom, Hitomi, Bebe. Meanwhile YY has only a single important side character: Sonoko.
Madokas cast also developes over the course of the series, some characters die or just lose importance, and new once are introduced, while YYs main cast remains the same for the entire time.
>Mami developed instead of being just shock value material.
She maybe could be a interesting character, but only in her manga, in the anime she is not really important. Same goes for Kyoko and Madoka herself a little, the only good characters are Homura and Sayaka.
In YuYuYu the cast remains the same, but they were more developed and had the time to getting involved with the viewer.
Watching Madoka i was always expecting for someone dying, but i barely didn't care if that happened. In YuYuYu i was truly concerned for whatever could happen to them.
>>133145848
Because it doesn't want to give you a deep message about loss, it wants to make you happy for the characters - and given its sales, I'd say it succeeded in that more than sufficiently. The ending is an emotional fulfillment, as befits its SoL themes, rather than a story.
>>133146077
Characters existing in a vacuum simply isn't very interesting. If there are no side characters or developement in the casts composition things can get boring easily. That's why SoL has to score with other points, like being funny or healing. YY certainly is not very funny and I couldn't appreciate the healing precisely because the plot was simply not engaging enough for that.
The popularity of a crappy show like Madoka simply amazes me. The paper thin characters and a story that relies on a series of plot twists, and the whole grating SHAFT aesthetic -- just another case of /a/'s majority shit taste.
>>133146295
Isn't the healing opposite of plot? Remember the episode with Tougou's backstory? Ep10 was pretty healing during that flashback, and it wasn't about plot.
The important part of the show is the interaction between characters, and learning to appreciate it.
>>133146006
>>133146295
Reminder that Itsuki had a better development that 80% of Madoka's cast without speaking half of the series
>>133146241
>Well, the vertex are merely tools of a single god. Why they should have their own wolrd?
Why even introduce a new world if it's lame? The vertexes wanted to inavde the world anyway, why not let them do that and the girls fight them there. Wouldn't have changed the plot in a major way and we could have had different locations for the fights.
>Mami developed instead of being just shock value material.
Yes she does, maybe you should rewatch the series? Also why is her dying only for shock value? The depiction isn't even especially gory, what makes her death like that but not that of other characters in other series?
>>133144182
HCPC was the GOAT Precure, every other season after it has been hot garbage
>>133139384
Thread should've ended here.
It's not just that it was crushed under the weight of its "Madoka clone" label, it just simply isn't as good as its fanbois think it is.
>>133146431
Oops, meant to reply to >>133146206
>>133146438
Anybody can come here and say that without giving reasons, that's why the thread didn't end there.
>>133146394
In what way?
>My sister does a lot for me
>Now I want to do a lot for her and tale responsibilty myself
This is ok developement, it's believable at least, but I don't see where it is in any way especially well made.
>>133146431
>Why even introduce a new world if it's lame? The vertexes wanted to inavde the world anyway, why not let them do that and the girls fight them there. Wouldn't have changed the plot in a major way and we could have had different locations for the fights.
Maybe because the vertex were attacking the same barrier/world that was made to protect humanity.
What were you expecting? That the Shinju stopped at some point and said "Oh, there come new vertex, i think its time to remodel the barrier and put a new carpet"
>The depiction isn't even especially gory, what makes her death like that but not that of other characters in other series?
Dying beheaded in the first three episodes with only some scenes it's not development
>>133144182
Where to start with this franchise? By release order or are they all self container?
>>133144135
Your point?
>>133146297
>The paper thin characters
Why do you believe they're paper thin?
>and a story that relies on a series of plot twists
Are plot twists bad?
>and the whole grating SHAFT aesthetic
Now that's just over the line. There's nothing wrong with being wide.
>>133146920
That you're repeating a theory that Sonoko After made moot shortly after the TV series ended?
>>133146295
>Characters existing in a vacuum simply isn't very interesting.
You must hate No Exit.
>>133146431
Shock value because her death made the show a dark mahou shoujo, instead of the apparently normal mahou shoujo it was before.
>>133146884
All are self containers, start with which one you're more interested. Personally i would recommend Smile. Not the better, but not the worse, it's in a middle point
>>133145787
The actual world setting in the YuYuYu franchise is far more interesting than the world(s) in the Magica franchise, I think.
In Madoka, the world is basically just the real world and we're told to suspend our disbelief and just accept that all major advancements in human society were due to teenage girls making monkey's paw contracts with aliens who want to prevent universal heat death. These girls get wishes and unwittingly kill each other and other humans. The universe gets reset to be exactly the same except some secret happenings get replaced with other secret happenings with the same results. Then it gets reset again to unclear parameters because of one girl's selfishness.
In YuYuYu, there's a huge conflict between gods, resulting in the majority of the world getting wiped out by space worms with only a small population being saved by the grace of the gods that sided with humanity. The world turns into a sheltered, domed theocracy that over the course of hundreds of years, censors any information of the outside world. Then one girl's selfishness throws the status quo off balance and the gig is up. Humanity has to stop playing defense in its losing battle of attrition.
The YuYuYu franchise's setting has a nice progression outside the scope of the main cast. It's a world worth exploring from different angles and I actually enjoy WaSuYu and NoWaYu because of it. You can see how WaSuYu and supposedly NoWaYu affect the story.
As far as Madoka's concerned, Kazami, Oriko, Suzune, and Tart kind of suck in how little an impact they actually have on the world, especially with two universe resets involved. The main story also shot itself in the foot with ramping expectations. The main series ended with an ascension to godhood and a universe reset. Rebellion ended with another ascension to devilhood and a universe reset. I want to see the hinted Sayaka vs. Homura conflict, but I fear they'll feel obligated to do yet another ascension and universe reset.
>>133146436
I'm really quite glad you said "after it".Also that chart is stupid, but shhhh.
>>133146876
How exactly the barrier worked wasn't really that important when talking about the basic concept of the show. The only relevant point was that a mostly normal life for normal people had to be ensured, because the value of said normal life was an important point of the anime. It could have been simply done like this:
- There is a barrier that protects a small part of the world from the vertexes of the outside world
- However the barrier is not perfect and the entity controlling the vertex will sometimes manage to send some of them through.
Or alternatively, the Shinju could have altered the newly created barrier in ways to aid the girls in their fighting thus resulting in appearntly different worlds every time. This is show has a fantasy setting. It's really not difficult to think of various ways to make the world more diverse.
>Dying beheaded in the first three episodes with only some scenes it's not development.
How the fuck does dying early have anything to do with shock value? In fact, IF there exists such a relation, wouldn't it rather be the other way around? Wouldn't the audience be more shocked when a character that they have come to know and care about dies, than when someone they only know for 3 episodes?
Also we later learn a lot about Mami, like how she had to live on her own, since her parents died and thus tried to appear mature and ladylike to convince herself and others that she is able to care for herself, while she in fact didn't and suffered from loneliness and how she "trained" Madoka and Sayaka so they could keep her company but also gave them a fair chance to decide their fate themselves.
I want to fuck Yuuna.
>>133147841
I want to fuck Yu
>>133147151
>just the real world
The real world is pretty fucking interesting if you ask me. Has a shit ton of details that no fantasy world can ever match. That's why if you create a fanatasy world you need to make up for that by adding other interestng stuff (like magic) that the real one doesn't have. Now that is what you are trying to do next, so don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on fantasy in general or something, just staing that saying "just the real world" isn't appropriate.
>and we're told to suspend our disbelief and just accept that all major advancements in human society were due to teenage girls making monkey's paw contracts with aliens who want to prevent universal heat death.
This was not said. It is said, that humanity wouldn't be where it is today, if it weren't for magical girls, so there were certainly quite some major achievements influenced by them (which makes sense since they can use MAGIC), but never that there were no important achievements by normal people.
>The universe gets reset to be exactly the same except some secret happenings get replaced with other secret happenings with the same results. Then it gets reset again to unclear parameters because of one girl's selfishness.
Basically, I don't really see how this a downside in itself, though.
>In YY
The YuYuYu franchise's setting has a nice progression outside the scope of the main cast....
We don't even know anything about the world, except through the characters eyes. We learned what they learned throughout the story, since it is heavily character focused. I have no idea where you are coming from here.
>As far as Madoka's concerned, Kazami, Oriko, Suzune, and Tart kind of suck in how little an impact they actually have on the world
Yes, everything bar the main series is prety unneccessary, maybe I should have made clear that I'm only talking about the TV series + Rebellion.
>>133146955
Been a long time since I read it, my bad.
>>133144122
But Urobuchi himself admitted Ryuki was a huge inspiration to him when he was writing Madoka.
>>133137917
I'd rather have one thread a month than shitposting fests like these.
Please, don't ever put the word "Madoka" in the OP for a YuYuYu thread.
>muh asspull
YuYuYu isn't about cripples you bloodthirsty retards, it' about KONJOU.
>>133144122
>main character with highest potential who corrects everything in one shot
>dark haired friend who's willing to go to extreme acts to save her friend(s)
>young inexperienced girl gets kicked hard by the Mahou Shoujo system, serves as a martyr
>strong-headed blonde senpai who crumbles after learning about the truth
>latter introduced rebellious tsundere who sacrifices herself
>series with identical structure, episode 10 is centered about the dark-haired girl who reveals everything dark behind the series. Itsuki loses her voice around episode 7, which coincides with Sayaka's loss of sanity at this point
Damn.
>>133149433
>all the characters are human girls
What the hell.
>>133148104
>This was not said.
Kyubey literally said that humanity would likely be in caves without the intervention of the Incubators. Therefore, he claims that all major achievements by humanity were thanks at least indirectly to Incubator intervention (and the only Incubator intervention is the processing of magical girls).
>We learned what they learned throughout the story, since it is heavily character focused. I have no idea where you are coming from here.
>Yes, everything bar the main series is prety unneccessary, maybe I should have made clear that I'm only talking about the TV series + Rebellion.
That's the difference between Madoka and YuYuYu. You learn basically everything you need to know about the universe in an infodump from Kyubey, so basically nothing of the history of magical girls is interesting anymore, and the system has been pretty much exactly the same for all human history. The YuYuYu TV series purposefully leaves the characters in the dark about the whole truth of the world to keep it character focused, but it gives you enough teases to make you interested in that truth, and then it expands on those truths in the other multimedia facets of the franchise.
WaSuYu explains things like the broken Seto Ohashi Bridge, Tougou's past, the Inubouzaki parents' deaths, and more background to how the hero system works and why the fairy/mankai system was put in place.
NoWaYu goes further back and explains the initial Vertex invasion, the exodus into Shikoku, the forming of the Taisha, and the start of the human resistance.
Both novel series expand on the universe in ways that tangibly affect the main cast even without directly involving all of them. Unlike most of Madoka's expanded material which at most just gives characterization, and at worst, doesn't even matter in the long run. The Wraith Chapter might be substantial, but we already know that those events are superseded by Rebellion's ending, so it's hard to care.
Made some sleeve cuffs for the uniform, I can't wait tohang it up for display because i have no mannequin to model it
>>133149433
>tsundere
The fuck.
I hope it either dies or gets S2 and shit soon, just so it runs out of content faster. Just so some people I know stop fucking talking about it non-stop. If it goes on forever I will kill them.
>>133149433
>Yuuna/Madoka
Except that a big point of Madoka was that she didn't become a magical girl until the very end, whereas Yuuna jumps at the call and is always a participant in the world of magical girls. Madoka, meanwhile, can see the world of magical girls but still belongs to the human world (all that stuff about only puella magi having the right to have an opinion on anything magic-related). Also if you're claiming that Madoka invented the "hero has the highest potential" thing then you've clearly never consumed any piece of media in any form ever.
>Tougou/Homura
Except that Homura explicitly doesn't give two shits about anyone not named Madoka Kaname, whereas Tougou cares about all of her friends (and Yuuna to an extreme); in fact, this is why she makes the decisions that she makes near the end of the series. And a major part of Homura's character is that roughly 20 years worth of timeloops and seeing everyone's failures and weaknesses being displayed over and over have left her bitter and untrusting, whereas Tougou is very friendly and sociable and not shy at all.
>Itsuki/Sayaka
Sayaka isn't even young compared to the rest, just inexperienced. And the reasons why each one got "screwed over" are extremely different: Sayaka drowned in her ideals and her fall was largely due to her own actions and her short-sightedness, whereas Itsuki didn't actually do anything wrong and was just screwed by the system itself. Moreover, Itsuki never actually broke and showed arguably the strongest willpower out of anyone.
>Fuu/Mami
This is the most credible one, but Mami and Fuu have completely different motivations; Mami is driven to take in novice megucas and act as a mentor due to her intense loneliness, whereas Fuu just cares about her friends and wants to be a good guardian to Itsuki.
>Karin/Kyouko
Kyouko isn't even a tsundere, what are you doing.
>>133149534
Nice retort.
>>133149830
Well, I know that classifying characters into archetypes doesn't do most of them justice but Kyouko is evidently ill-intentioned at first and very territorial, which goes for the "tsun", albeit not caused by prior feelings for the main characters.
She falls for Sayaka over time in almost every timeline and dies soon after (usually as a "You won't be alone" compassion act) which goes for the "dere". She must be one of the few good tsundere, so much that people never ever think of putting her on that list.
>>133150063
I hope it dies. The series was nice, but the yuri overload from the following works killed it for me.
>>133149433
>corrects everything
The world is still fucked, and the only reason the girls are less fucked now is because of Tougou's actions, not Yuuna cleaning up.
>willing to go to extreme acts to save her friend(s)
If Homura's idea of "saving" Madoka was the same as Tougou's idea was, then Homura would've just shot Madoka before she made a contract and called it a day.
>young inexperienced girl gets kicked hard by the Mahou Shoujo system, serves as a martyr
Not even sure who you're referring to here in either case.
>strong-headed blonde senpai who crumbles after learning about the truth
Mami wasn't strong-headed. In episode 3, we learn she was just putting up a facade to cover her loneliness and convince Madoka and Sayaka to join her.
>latter introduced rebellious tsundere who sacrifices herself
Karin isn't rebellious. She's a tryhard stickler for the rules who prides herself in doing things the proper way. She's basically a government agent, even.
>episode 10 is centered about the dark-haired girl who reveals everything dark behind the series.
Madoka invented giving revelations right before the climax of the story, I see. It was Sonoko who made the revelations, though.
> Itsuki loses her voice around episode 7, which coincides with Sayaka's loss of sanity at this point
And in episode 7 of Haruhi, the Computer Club loses its president. And in Episode 10 of Haruhi, the dark-haired Asakura reveals the dark secret that she's an alien.
And in episode 7 of Nanoha A's, Fate loses her Linker Core. And in Episode 10, the dark-haired men reveal that they're actually girls and then they reveal everything about the series' plot about the Book of Darkness.
Damn.
>>133150655
>This series appeals to a genre I don't enjoy, therefore I hope it dies
>>133150655
Kyouko was just a jerk, not a tsundere. There was nothing tsun about her, if anything she's extremely honest with her feelings.
do you guys always have these Madoka vs Yuyuyu arguments?
Also how come the girls didn't kiss in Yuyuyu?
>>133150655
If the series isn't your thing what are you even doing here. That's what the series is, too bad for you, it won't change.
>>133150739
They almost do
>>133150739
No always, only when someone makes OPs like this
>>133150780
How can they kiss if their mouths are on the same side of their faces?
>>133150865
Girl Power
>>133137917
It didn't catch on?
>>133147891
>>133147891Me too
>>133143277
Madoka's fanbase is awful and shits on everything else because half of their enjoyment of it originated from the idea that it was this brilliant, unique and unprecedented deconstruction and need to cling to the idea that the rest of the genre is either garbage or a poor clone of it to justify their own feelings of superiority.
Otherwise, the series is almost as bad as typical Keyshit in prioritising melodrama over characterisation in every possible stupid way.
>>133150932
If it didn't break sales records, it's a flop.
If it breaks sales records, it's mainstream trash.
>>133149174
Pretty much, but it's too late now. See you for 4komas and NoWaYu.
>>133149793
Cute.
>>133149793
Be a man and wear it.
>>133146925
>Why do you believe they're paper thin?
That you have to ask only proves your stupidity.
>Are plot twists bad?
When the whole plot is driven by arbitrary shit that can be explained away as just how the universe happens to work and powers that can be said to be whatever the writers need them to be, yes that is bad.
I thought we had got over Madoka comparisons after people called Pleiades, a franchise as old as meguka, a Madoka clone.
>>133137917
it was shit
>>133142750
It's a picture by the same artist with two different portrayals of a scene
Don't take it so seriously
>>133149433
Are You talking about Heart Catch Precure?
>>133137917
Mediocre and shit, just like madoka. The difference is that takhackiro is nowhere near as relevant as edgebutcher.
I'm glad we still discuss YuYuYu. The show deserves it.
>>133149751
>That's the difference between Madoka and YuYuYu.
I thought that the difference was that Madoka deconstructed the magical girl genre.
YuYuYu deconstructed themagical girl.
>>133143735
I'm so behind the curve.
Where did you get this? Is that Yuuna? What if she is notbut she truly is?Can a Vertex Hybrid be the key for a future, if highly unlikely, peace for Humanity?
I want to fuck Yuuna.
>>133153649
http://pastebin.com/2wvjCyrV
>>133149174
Egg-kun.
What's wrong with your face?
Yuna doesnt make any sense. How do people not know outside is like that? Where does the industry and manufacturing come from? hardly enough space to grow all that food. It is like some matrix level bullshit.
qt girls and good designs though.
>>133154448
>How do people not know outside is like that?
Because they're not Heroes. It's not like they can just jump over the wall.
>Where does the industry and manufacturing come from?
Shinju.
>>133154532
They have cars, and boats still exist.people climb walls all the time. So no ones droven past? Womdered why they font get news from the other parts of the country/world anymore?
>god does it
God makes them cars, gasoline, plastic, bikinis?
>>133154763
>Womdered why they font get news from the other parts of the country/world anymore?
Why on earth would they wonder why they don't get news from somewhere they think has been ravaged by a deadly virus?
>>133154824
>the whole world is ravaged by a virus
>but no no ones gone to find out more lets kust keep up as normal
Yeah thats not how it has ever or will ever work.
>>133155071
One, that's not what you asked. Two, it's a theocracy surrounded on all sides by water and a massive sheer wall, where everyone believes that the rest of the world has been destroyed anyway and if it's even possible for non-heroes to pass through the barrier, they'd get either fried to a crisp or eaten instantly, and nobody would believe them anyway.
You're looking for plot holes, and you're not even doing a good job of it.
>>133154763
Yes.
>>133155237
Your just defending a huge plot hole, because it makes no real sense at all. Look, I liked Yuki Yuna but still accept that it has glaring plot holes. That is the largest.
>>133155369
What about what I just said makes no sense? There's no reason to go there, it's difficult or impossible for normal humans to do so, and if they somehow can they they're either dead (most likely) or treated like a lunatic. This is not a plot hole, this is you trying to be Frodo and failing.
>>133155491
>no reason
Humans wanting to know what happened, find or see survivors, escape oppression via a weird tree cult. All kinds of reasons.
>difficult
So is clombing mt everest but people do it every year
>dead or treated like a lunatic
Closest to acceptable answers
>failing
Not really. You just refuse to accept it. Hell, even if its all type lips by the govt etc, you would still have /pol/ and /x/ types trying to figure it out or leave or cause an uproar. It wouldnt just be normal people going about their lives as if nothibg had happened- especially if they think a deadly virus has them in quaranteen.
>>133155642
>Humans wanting to know what happened, find or see survivors, escape oppression via a weird tree cult.
They've been told what happened and taught it as history by the priests of their theocratic society for hundreds of years. And what "oppression"? You're inventing supposition for no apparent reason but to justify your own cleverness.
>So is clombing mt everest but people do it every year
Everest is a completely sheer magical god-wall surrounded by a dimensional barrier?
>Closest to acceptable answers
You mean "obviously true".
>Hell, even if its all type lips by the govt etc, you would still have /pol/ and /x/ types trying to figure it out or leave or cause an uproar.
And just like in real life, they're real good at getting to the bottom of things, never spout complete paranoid nonsense, and everyone believes them.
>especially if they think a deadly virus has them in quaranteen.
It's been just how things are for hundreds of years. Societies adapt, and for everyone there, life on Shikoku IS normal and has worked like that for generations.
You aren't being clever. You're being bullheaded.
>>133155642
Well, one of the plot points in the after words is that the Shinju comes to believe that Humanity just wanted a peaceful end inside the barrier. This is changed after the actions of the Heroes in the final episodes of the anime and the Tree now sees that Humans do indeed want more than just survive inside a cage.
The very fact that the Shinju developed such point of view could come to the fact that people have been relatively content with the life inside the barrier hence why no reports (yet) of normal people wanting to "escape" to see the outside world. Other than, maybe, isolated cases which do have the potential for a short side-story.
>>133155928
>They've been told what happened and taught it as history by the priests of their theocratic society for hundreds of years. And what "oppression"? You're inventing supposition for no apparent reason but to justify your own cleverness.
>It's been just how things are for hundreds of years. Societies adapt, and for everyone there, life on Shikoku IS normal and has worked like that for generations.
and people never go against the belief systems of their elders, particularly after hundreds of years?
>Everest is a completely sheer magical god-wall surrounded by a dimensional barrier?
someone would want to know wtf it is then, as viruses dont cause that
>>133155982
>The very fact that the Shinju developed such point of view could come to the fact that people have been relatively content with the life inside the barrier hence why no reports (yet) of normal people wanting to "escape" to see the outside world. Other than, maybe, isolated cases which do have the potential for a short side-story.
at least acknowledge not everyone would be ok with 'knowing' the outside world is dead and not wanting to find out after hundreds of years would be enough for me. A news caster going, 'hey, maybe chinas not so unsafe after all. wonder what happened to america lol. we tried sending some recon but a magical barrier stopped us. weird shit m i right?'
Tell me about Chikage
Why does she play the viyda
>>133156501
>and people never go against the belief systems of their elders, particularly after hundreds of years?
I would imagine it to be fairly rare in long-standing theocracies with demonstrable divine favor - and if someone does, they're pretty unlikely to succeed. They certainly don't have good enough chances to call it a plot hole and any world in which the whole thing isn't common knowledge as ridiculous and implausible.
>someone would want to know wtf it is then, as viruses dont cause that
Don't cause... what? You, uh, did watch the show, right? You know there's this tree thing called the "Shinju" in it that protects the island with a barrier, right?
>>133156683
>and if someone does, they're pretty unlikely to succeed.
But you're likely to succeed if you try!
>>133155249
I have come to the realization that I haven't done many of these for Gin.
>>133156761
Unless you're Tougou.
>>133156683
In the show, at least, the barrier is just shown as a mirage of sorts. Im assuming regular people cant make it through, so Im talking about what would happen if someone were to try/ fly a helicopter or some such through it. or past it. unless the closer you get like a video game god just goes 'your leaving the playing field please return'.
>>133143735
Who is gay for who in this?
>>133156798
They're paired in order, just change the girl with brown eyes with the blonde.
>>133156798
Do you ever wish you were a beautiful but introverted lesbian who harbors a secret love for her only close friend?
>>133156796
>what would happen if someone were to try/ fly a helicopter or some such through it
They would get eaten by the Stardust, duh.
>>133156958
>chikage
>beautiful
>scarred ear
0/10 would not hold hands with
>>133149174
Also don't ever put the word 'YuYuYu' in a WIXOSS thread.
>>133137917
I think the ending to the anime was too "good". The best endings are bittersweet, but they took out all the bitterness.
I don't think the entire world should have been destroyed, or that the girls should have all become paralyzed Hellen Kellers, but surely some consequences could have remained. Maybe the very first losses they experienced could have been permanent at least.
>>133156958
Why would I ever wish to be a bullied victim who never gets her love and dream fulfilled?
>>133157049
I think all they had to do was only "hint" at Yuna's recovery, as opposed to fully showing it AND the aftermath.
Let's say, the series ends with the Togo crying on the bench and saying why did Yuna lie even though she promised to stay with her, then the very last scene of the show is Yuna saying Tou-go-san before the screen fades to black.
>>133157162
This show had an actual fucking epilogue, instead of cutting to the credits the instant the last story development was over. Don't take that away from me.
>>133151867
>That you have to ask only proves your stupidity.
5 star post, old boy.
>>133157162
That would have been quite a bit better. It wouldn't guarantee a full recovery right off the bat, either.
Everyone likes happy endings I suppose, but they could stand to be a bit less hamfisted.
>>133157368
I'm happy it ended happy, but I can see the appeal of the sort of bittersweet ending with a last minute string of hope attached to it.
It's quite poetic and sweet when done correctly.
All these side materials are great and I like some of the girls, but the main series needs something new to keep the interest going.
>>133157418
>side materials
>main series
As per Takahiro's words, Nowayu is its own story, not just a side material, the same goes for Wasuyu. They are all part of the Yusha de aru series.
